45-410 Pistol Firing 45 acp

[georgeevans18]

whats a moon ring?

[LowKeyLanding]

@georgeevans18 You appear to be getting two terms mixed up. An o-ring is a rubber seal in the shape of an 'O'. It is a round elastic ring, used for sealing pipe, shafts, etc.. A 'moon clip' or a 'half moon clip' is a small, round metal piece that holds a total of 6 rounds of 45 acp, and was used by the military in revolvers in the early 1900s to hold the rimless 45 acp rounds. The clips provided a way to shoot 45 acp in a revolver chambered for 45 Colt.

[georgeevans18]

@LowKeyLanding thank u i wont be asking the gun shop for a moon ring now ;P

[quicklady]

will those moon clips work in a revolver?

[LowKeyLanding]

@quicklady They are not moon clips, although they work in a similar fashion. They are rubber o-rings. They will not work in a revolver because they make the cylinder to tight to turn. Revolvers that are made to use the clips have a bigger gap on the back side of the cylinder. When the Super Comanche is closed on the o-ring, it is compressed.

[vinosd773]

wait a minute, tell me is the super comanche a riffled barrel?

[gunman848]

@vinosd773 yea it has a pretty good rate of twist, ive shot 45 colts and 410 slugs at 30 yards out of it and hit pie plate size targets.

[vinosd773]

wait i dont get it. so you cant shoot a 45 out of a super comanche? but they are made to shoot 45 long and 410 shotgun shells which would mean it can also shoot 45 short

[zienocbob]

i like the sigh of relief im sure u were thimking the whole time shit shit shit

[blueshiftchess]

@zienocbob thought the same thing :)

[LowKeyLanding]

@blueshiftchess Not at all. I have shot hot reloads and 410 reloads with 1 oz of shot, which is the same shot load as a 20 ga and 12 ga. It kicks like a 44 mag with those loads, but the break open action seems to be pretty tough.

[blueshiftchess]

@LowKeyLanding idk it sounds a little different. You let out abig *sigh* after i posted that comment i had my first shell that blew up in my face. So the sigh is understandable.

[craigdge]

Cool idea - got to be careful I think as the hottest .45 ACP loads peak around 17,000 CUP where .45LC seems to top closer to 14,000. The Macgyver in me says wrap a rubber band around the butt just in case you are stranded without .45LC ammo. :-))

Seriously though I took the .45LC tube out of my range bag. I only ever shoot .410 from mine with the occasinal slug since they are pretty challenging. The end of day game is taking turns at a coke bottle with a slug. Loser buys lunch! :-)

[damarei]

Would .45 auto rim work?

[LowKeyLanding]

I haven't tried 45 auto rim, but I see no reason why it wouldn't work.

[redsfriendhump]

Very nice gun!

[gruntspy44]

what kind of accuracy does the 45lc in a comanche have?

[LowKeyLanding]

I don't know. I bought mainly for the 410 shotgun capability. When I thought of trying the o-rings I tried it just to see if it would work. I plan on doing some work on the sights, which are loose and probably will not hold. I'll make a video on it sometime in the future. Look on forums on the net. I think there are some ocmments about it.

[Marine052191]

Ingenius!

[emokalowns]

wered you get that thing ?

[1861dave]

does the 45acp leve a burn ring in the chamber?the reson i ask is a 22 short over time will do this and you have problems loading a 22lr in.45 would be twice as bad keeping a long colt from going in.then you have problems geting the shell out becuse it grabs from a ruff chamber.has that hapend yet?

[LowKeyLanding]

I have not shot 45acp in it enough to create a burn ring, so I really can't answer the question. I just wanted to try it to see if it would work. I can see how the problem could develop.

[LRooster4Prez]

@1861dave , I am not sure if I follow you here. This is an interesting weapon, but is it capable of firing and .45 rounds. without modifications? I am sure the way it is designed running a Brownells cylinder hone in the chamber would keep casing from sticking. I don't think I would try TAP or XTP type ammo without investigating it. Overall this looks like this would be a nice saddlebag or Backpack gun

[LowKeyLanding]

@LRooster4Prez The chamber in 45-410 guns is a combination of the two rounds. I think that they chamber it using a 45 Colt reamer and then a 410 reamer. The 45 ACP is close to the same diameter of 45 Colt, so it chambers without a problem. But the rimless ACP case does not headspace, so the o-rings hold it like a rim. It is not really practical. None of the 45-410 guns shoot 45 Colt very accurately and the 45 ACP is even less accurate. Pressure capability of the gun far exceeds the rounds.

[slechka]

HI!

I have a question!

can you tell me, when this gun was developed???

thanks!

[LowKeyLanding]

I don't know how long it has been on the market. I think I remember seeing them at dealers about 4 or 5 years ago.

[MyBCWW]

nerd glases xD

[rightsman123]

This might be a neat way to save on ammo in my commanche. Thanks.

[LowKeyLanding]

You're right. 45 acp is about 1/2 the cost of 45 Colt.

[rightsman123]

The only thing I don't know about is the accuracy of moving to a shorter round like the 45 acp. Have you scene any tangible difference in these two cartridges?

[LowKeyLanding]

I agree. It will probably reduce accuracy even more than shooting a 45 Colt in a 3"-410 length chamber. I have not done any comparisons. I tried this for the fun of it. My interest in the gun is that it is a handgun that shoots shotshells. I have made some brass shotshells using fireformed 3006 cases with o-rings.

[rightsman123]

The shotshell aspect of the Comanche is the reason I bought it too. I also like your Taurus OSS. I'll have to subscribe with the hope that there will be more vids of it because it is the only one I can find on youtube.

[LowKeyLanding]

Thanks for saying so. I only get to shoot about once a month, but I'll try to make another OSS video. It's one of my favorites. I'm thinking about getting one in 9mm also.

[micthewrencher]

@LowKeyLanding .444 marlin brass is a brass rimed case and is just short of 2.5 inches.

[my3406cat]

i thought you just put them in there without anything then i saw about the o-rings ''was about to say good luck getin them out after ya shoot them'' thats why i said that

[my3406cat]

i was about to say good luck getin that out after ya shoot it.

[LowKeyLanding]

Surprisingly it extracts the fired 45 acp cases without any problem. The whole point in the experiment was to see if the o-ring would hold the case firmly enough for the firing pin to dent the primer. Apparently, closing the action on the o-ring compresses it enough to hold the case tight.

[LowKeyLanding]

NEVER NEVER fire a 45 cal bullet in a 410 shotgun. The gun I used is a 45 cal pistol with a chamber that accepts 410 shells. I tried o-rings and square rings, and Durometer 70 and 90 (harder material), and all worked. This probably won't work in any other than a break-open type of gun. A 410 has a .410" bore. Again, NEVER try to fire a 45 cal bullet (.452" diameter) in a 410 shotgun. A 410 slug has a .410" diameter and is a 41 caliber. I'll take a look at your videos.

[Nwest82]

If you're interested check out my videos. There are only a few but I have a video of my functioning but unfinished homemade .410 shot pistol, a Video of it being shot, a unfinished, but again functioning homemade .22cal. single-shot, open-bolt, blow-back action, and a couple of others.

[Nwest82]

those are just normal C-clips?

[Nwest82]

Cool gun and great idea! What type of O-rings are those just normal rubber ones?  Can I use this method to fire .45cal's in my homemade .410cal shot pistol or any .410cal gun? or is this idea strictly limited to certin factory made guns?

Thanks

[Nwest82]

Oh yeah, what caliber is a .410 slug anyway? I though it was only .36cal. But obviously its more like .42cal or somthing. I should know this but I've never really looked into it until I saw you vids of the .410cal-.45cal's. W