i dont get why White people are so decitful and hateful..Im not sayin' every white individual is that way..but I dont get what black people ever did wrong to them in the first place to start all this??...I really just dont get it
@Nikbones it all started when the moors went on a conquest to invaded and civillised them, the moors were mostly ararbs but there were also black tribes who were part of the moors. so when the moors introudce them to africa and taught them slavery they took advantage and went on their own conquest.
@Nikbones Read about the Moors in europe , the spanish revolution and about the black madonnas in Europe and you will get your answer. We ruled them (800 years) before they ruled us!!! Atleast we civilized them with education and hygiene!!!! They beat us and treated us like animals.!!! Without the moors , europe would have never got out of the dark ages and would have never known about navigating to the "new world!!
did dubois and any other BITCH ass UNCE TOM NIGGER ever have enough integrity and SELFRESPECT to create SElf HELP programs for blacks? What did dubois actually do for blacks but attempt to keep us smothered by white supremacy in amerikkka? What did he ever do but discourage TRUE BLACK INDEPENDENCE? what did he ever do but encourage the destruction of our AFRICAN IDENTITY and even phsical genocide by supporting racemixing, intergration? ALl he did was waork for his white controllers
fuck WEB dubois and every other traitor to our race and the cause of AFRICAN LIBERTY. Dubois was nothing but a fucking treacherous backstabber whos only intention was to prevent BLACK INDEPENDENCE by promoting assimilation into white society and the absorbption of cracker culture. He was content with being subjugated by crackers. Content with playing second fiddle in the white mans system and did whatever he could to convince blacks not engage in programs of SELF_EMPOWERMENT
All who nuh like MARCUS GARVEY go suck unu madda all the pastor fag weh a talk yuh nuh kno nuttn bout Marcus, ya dead man. He is sent by the almighty but a unu same 1 ridicule him an sell him out,just like yashua. Pure propoganda unu mek pon all the great black man dem but unu nuh realize seh it nah work again, can fool some people some time but not all people all the time. Nuff a wi mind free now can trick wi anymore, wi takin over. MARCUS LIVES!!!!
Garvey was a good man. He was educated for seven 7 years in Jamaica, learned the trade of printing and went to college in London. Along his travels he noticed that black people had bad conditions and wanted to help them. Dubois was just as good. He was taught at Harvard. He noticed in the U.S. that black folk had bad lives and wanted to help. Both of these men cared about Africa. If these men would have listened to each other they would have done better than they had. But they were too prideful.
I hate that black ugly fat bastard tring to say garvey was a bad bussiness man. bitch he had informants you thing they didnt try to sabotage him fucking ass licker, that was a old school divide and conqure method
@thelivingpoet Well, I actually studied his business operation and he didn't manage it too well. You see Garvey hired black people who were personally loyal to him to do the Black Star Line jobs but they lacked the skills to do those types of jobs. That and he didn't consult experts on purchasing the ships that he used. He allowed the captain to trick him into paying more than he should have. That and the FBI fucking with the ships, it was a complete disaster.
I hate that fat ugly fat bastard thring to say garvey was a bad bussiness man. bitch he had informants you thing they didnt try to sabotage him fucking ass licker
@KelferMookie - too true- very biased words describe garvey- different stuff on malcom x who was very outspoken "i ll kill him who molest our women"- (not children?)-
the negro is not wanted in america ,his home is africa,,,,rwanda,,ghana,,ivory coast,,republic of congo,,,all wonderful places for the american negro who wished to return home,,,,,we need another marcus garvey to lead the masses back to africa
Blacks, Africans, and people of color need to learn how not to be traitors to there cause. I see in these segments blacks that didn't have proper education which hurt Garvey. Then on the other side you have the uncle toms that ratted to Hoover.
arone2454,,,u sound like a angry lost house negro....an a shame 2 ur own black kind.
hamites,,,lol,,,bible,,lol,,hebrew,,,lol,,,history,,lol,,u mean HI*STORY=hisSTORY==white mans story/view.
marcus tryed to wake up house niggers like u;;;;who love the white man more then the white man loves himself.
his idea of africa was nice,,,,ever african leader,,,who wants 2 bring african ppl together,,,gets killed off by sellouts..its called supply an demand..im shocked marcus got as far as he did.
Sorry if I said things too misunderstanding, but I already know how terrible Africans were treated. Africans were not the only race to be fucosed on while they were harmed. There are people in other areas that are still being abused more than ever (Cambodians and people in the Middle East for example).
Garvey did it wrong His ideas was rational at that time It scared people but I still believe in his ideology We as African American should go back and make america a better place
black people has been throught some heavy and mean thing in the past but we still forgive and forget but we shouldn't!! . they are the WEAK and SELLOUT black people
Can there ever be a fat light skinned guy from the DR who believes that dark skeined people are the devil. No Garvey was hurast by US. Gov cause Garvey had meet with the Grand Wizard and was going to make a pieces deal.
Can there ever be a fat light skeined guy from the DR who believes that dark skeined people are the devil. No Garvey was hurast by US. Gov cause Garvey had meet with the Grand Wizard and was going to make a pieces deal.
Among the founders were W.E.B. DuBois, Ida Wells-Barnett, Henry Moscowitz, Oswald Garrison Villiard, Mary White Ovington, and William English Walling.
NAACP was founded in 1909: The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) was founded on February 12, 1909. After a race riot in Springfield, Illinois in 1908, "The Call" went out to Northerners to find a way to create social equality. In 1909, a group of multi-racial activists held a conference in New York City in response to "The Call" and decided to form the NAACP (originally called the National Negro Committee).
@caribbeandiaspora Until we learn to stop dividing and separating and destroying ourselves, there is no need to worry that another enemy is holding us down. We do it all the time; light skinned vs. dark skinned, 'good hair' vs.curly hair, etc.......and yes, back in the day........house vs. field. The shame is that you'd even go there. What did you learn from Du Bois OR Garvey about self love???
Further, people are often discriminated against buy where they came from and your quote had drawn upon this. Caribbean soldiers were longed in the USA and Canada on British duties even before black Americans had freedom and Caribbeans had made contributions in politics, business, science, literature and shaped American history.
Back 2 Garvey and Du Bois, history proved Garvey was the better man. He had formulated the first declaration of human rights, instilled a sense of pride & hope. He was betrayed when Du Bois, whose ideas of black liberation were in contrast to Garvey's ideology, began complaining 2 the FBI...also betrayed in the purchased of the Black Star Line...today history can only speculate what could have been accomplished by Garvey. Today Garvey is remembered in many countries. Du Bois the looser
du od was an agent of the government from what i hear. the naacp was developed as an group to counteract garvey's movement by the cia. of course most people in the naacp didnt know that. they people who joined the naacp didnt know any better they just blindly followed. the same wayb now. most people who are in the naacp and support dont know its history. although we cant knock the group all together becaue they did grant blacks rights like voting and whatnot.
I have learnt a lot from Garvey, I have learnt nothing from Du Bois when I was introduced to his work as a undergraduate. Garvey's ideologies and philosophies I can live by. Du Bois belong in the garbage bin of history but unfortunately Harvard made him look like a responsible key thinker in the the department of African studies when they set up a department in his honour. Alas, when a group of people at that time did not have much anything such as a misguided Dutch would do. Alas
@caribbeandiaspora You feel strongly about your beliefs in this so I will leave you to them. What I know to be true is that it was not Du Bois that turned to the FBI, but key figures actually working for Garvey himself. He ran into trouble with the shipping lines because he genuinely believed he was the only person smart enough to make a decision and so did not look to expert advice. This was proven in this same piece when he made himself 'president' of Africa as the only person qualified.
@caribbeandiaspora Yes, he was taken advantage of. Yes, he had great vision. Unfortunately that vision stopped him from believing in the very people he wanted to 'uplift'. Had he believed in the skills and combined traits of 'his people' he may well have created something amazing. It's hard to know as even he claimed to be the only person qualified to be in charge of any of his ventures. That does not grow and strengthen a race. It simply changes whose in charge.
@caribbeandiaspora The rest of the quote: Garvey suspected Du Bois was prejudiced against him because he was a Caribbean native with darker skin. Du Bois once described Marcus Garvey as "a little, fat black man; ugly, but with intelligent eyes and a big head." Garvey called Du Bois “purely and simply a white man's nigger" and "a little Dutch, a little French, a little Negro … a mulatto … a monstrosity.” This led to an acrimonious relationship between Garvey and the NAACP.
Are you trying to make Du Bois look good by pointing out that he believed Garvey to be intelligent? The quote is as good as a prejudice upper-class Englishman talking down at a black man in a rather semi-sophisticated manner. In my view neither of these men were better educated than the other and as in the Caribbean at the end of the slave trade, Mulattos like Du Bois always deemed themselves to be above the black man & they were placed in positions of government.
MLK came to Selma 50 years after Booker T died. I don't know that any sociological comparison can be made. And sometimes a conversation is just a conversation. I'm not trying to debate you on this. My interest in prominent Black figures of History has just been especially high lately. I think it's my Kindle's fault! (lol)
You make your points in a way that are relatively easy to follow and direct. I appreciate that, thank you. One question that comes to mind; what have you referenced that stated that Booker T was in favor of the Jim Crow laws/south? I have only recently begun studying his life and so far found nothing other than a man who could have been broken by lesser 'animals', turning his emotions (anger/hatred?) inward and focusing on teaching others. I have never read where he said "this was okay."
@JRM733 I think it was in his atlanta compromise speech. I have only read a little too and it was awhile ago so i not sure of the reference. But he talk about gradual change and acceptance. Those words right there show he doesnt understand what justice means. If a woman is being repeatedly raped by a man you don not tell her not scream victimhood and tell her to be patient and maybe the the guy will graduallly accept her someday.
@JRM733 First of all she is not playing victim she is simply staing a fact that she is a victim of wrong doing. Second telling her she needs to be patient and wait for her oppressor approval is ludicrous and morally bankrupt. Why should she have to change her behavior get the rapist's approval. Why doesnt the rapist have to change his behavior to get her approval? He is the one that is wrong. And telling her to only accept gradual change is basicallly saying it ok to rape her.
@rashadkijani I'm not sure where we got off point here, but I guess we did. NO ONE IS SAYING IT'S OKAY TO ABUSE ANYONE. (Rape, etc....all falls under that same heading.) It's NOT okay, not now, not ever. It never has been. These were Leaders looking for ways to change the circumstances of lives that they had led UNWILLINGLY for a very long time. Their educated debates were focused on how best to accomplish those goals and to me, deserve our understanding.
@JRM733 Well im sorry I was using an analogy I should have have stated that. I know rape is wrong but Im stating some of his comments and speeches ive read of him to give you an idea of why I think he was the one who seemed to be more concerned with whites approval than concerned with doing justice.
@rashadkijani Nah, you did fine. I got that. Anyway in Tulsa for instance, the first thing the sheriff did was start deputizing every white jerk-off with a gun. If you didn't have one, they gave them out. THEN, they brought out a machine gun. No SANE person is going to turn a machine gun on family's fleeing their homes for their lives. I think Booker T knew that and so he talked if anything, "down" to the whites in hopes of keeping peace while other plans for civil rights could be made.
@JRM733 To me it like you are saying that the guy cant help himself so you are going to cater his raping impulse by allowing him to rape her lets say 10 times this week and maybe 9 times week next then 8 times and hope the trend continues until he finally quits being a rapist. Well to me that is how booker viewed racism during hist time. He didnt view it as an injustice that needed to be eliminated and radically change he viewed as some kind of annoyance. That blacks should learn to endure.
@JRM733 And what is wrong with being angry? What is so noble about not getting angry when you are being treated unjust? And to me booket t didnt have a problem with getting angry,expressing his grievances, or being publicly vocal about when he didnt like something. If another black person or black people did something he felt was wrong he had no problem being openly and publicly vocal or screaming from the rooftops as you put it.
@rashadkijani Between 1919 and 1921 (that I've found so far, and I've just started looking,) five communities of Black people were basically wiped off the map. The communities I know of so far were in Tulsa, (Greenwood), OK; Elaine, AK; Knoxville, TN; and Chicago, IL. In addition, violence was statewide in Florida during the 1920 election campaign. The threat of violence was always just under the surface. I believe some leaders believed that they had to fight this war "smarter".
@JRM733 FYI: There are clearly still Black people in Chicago, but I'll tell you, we're from there and what Martin Luther King, Jr. said, could very well be true. He said it was the most racist city in the country. I have lived all over and never seen anything like it until I moved there. It isn't a name-calling sorta racism, but the self-segregation is pretty clear.
@JRM733 That means the threat of violence wasnt lurking under the surface and waitng to strike. That means violence is out in the open and already did strike.
@JRM733 I find it interesting you used the word "war". If you believe there was war going on during booker t lifetime, which i also believe was going on also then why do you revere him. To me booker's whole message is to basically say there is no war going on. It just some minor misunderstood perception that blacks had towards whites and blacks just needed to get over it. And why do you say the threat of violence was just under the surface after listing that 5 black communities were destroyed?
@rashadkijani I never said I revered him. (I don't remember putting much effort into reading about him before yesterday.) I said it was worth understanding his approach. there are many paths to victory. sometimes you have to look to see what's been done and why. you asked about the threat of violence...he spoke prior to the 1919-1921 events I wrote about. He actually died in 1915.
@JRM733 I believe in looking to see why violence was done too but what do think was the reason for wiping out 5 black communities? And my problem with booker t wasnt the fact he believed in non violence he sounds like he believed in non-ressitance. What was the harm in being openly vocal about and direct about the disgusting things that went on during his time? The people doing wrong wrong were not being secretive about their hatred toward blacks.
@rashadkijani I actually don't care as much about WHY violence was done in this case. In the long run it's because the white people involved in inciting these crimes were EVIL and CRIMINALS. But I do think it's worth studying which courses of action were effective for those people that we're being persecuted. For instance, if Booker T had been openly vocal about his feelings, there would never have been a Tuskegee University.
@JRM733 Tuskegee's mission has always been service to people, not education for its own sake. Stressing the need to educate the whole person -- the hand and the heart, as well as the mind -- Dr. Washington's school was soon acclaimed first by Alabama and then by the nation for the soundness and vigor of its educational programs and principles.
(He was LONG dead before the government decided that would be a great place to test syphilis. It had nothing to do with him.)
@rashadkijani Over the past 122 years since it was founded by Dr. Booker T. Washington in 1881, Tuskegee University has become one of the nation's most outstanding institutions of higher learning. While Tuskegee has historically focused on helping to develop human resources primarily within the African-American community, the University is open to all.
@JRM733 You sent me an excerpt that proves the point I was trying to make. It clearlystates that booker t told blacks not to protest in any way for justice an equality becuz he was concerned about agittaing white people feelings. Well so what if it agitated white people feelings. The only white people who would have a problem with being fair would obviously be the ones that are racist. That is like saying if someone robs a bank we shouldnt protest and demand he should be put in jail.
@JRM733 Becuz we are afraid it might anger the person who robbed the bank. Well so what if he gets angry and doesnt like it. Im glad it angers him and what about the banks feelings. Why criticize the banks actions for hurting the the bank robbers feelings? Why not criticize the bank robber actions that hurt the bank owners feelings?
@JRM733 Arent blacks human beings too? Didnt being being lynched and told you arent human on a daily basis hurt the blacks feeelings during that time too? How come booker looked at blacks complaining as being miltant toward whites? But whites were not only verbally abusive but literally murderous to blacks but booker didnt seem to think it was whites were being miltant or agitating blacks.
@rashadkijani Militant: "disposed to warfare or hard-line policies; "militant nations"; "hawkish congressman"; "warlike policies" ... Strange how in all these years so very little has changed.
Ghandi said - "Anger and intolerance are the enemies of correct understanding"
MLK - "Nonviolence means avoiding not only external physical violence but also internal violence of spirit. You not only refuse to shoot a man, but you refuse to hate him."
@JRM733 How did what you typed refute anything I just commented on? I never said I had a problem with non-violence I said i had a problem with non-resistance. MLK was oppsite of Booker t too. He may have believed in non-violence but he definitely didnt tell people to be quiet and put up with an injustice.He was a firm believer in screaming from the rooftops. MLK urged blacks to demand justice and equaklity even if it hurt white people feelings.
@rashadkijani At some point you just have to pick the Leader that best suits your own beliefs. Is it NOI or the Panther party? We choose leaders by finding those people that carry a message and make us believe in ourselves and in our ability to succeed. Like these other Leaders, Booker T had his own following. Clearly you would not have been one of them. I wouldn't either, but we live in a different time now. I don't know how I'd have felt during his lifetime.
@JRM733 In fact alot of whites and even some blacks who accussed MLK of being an agittaotr of white people too. Just like booker would accusse other blacks that spoke out during his time of being agitatorsof white people. Booker believed being patient and silent was the best way . MLK was constant critcizing whites and blacks for remaining silent. "In the End, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends." -MLK
@rashadkijani GREAT QUOTE! If I had to choose between MLK and Malcolm X as the Leader I would have followed, it would have been Malcolm X. I am actually probably more militant than not. I DO believe that there is a time to fight back. I also believe that there are times to build an infrastructure to support an entire race of people as they grow and develop. By learning from ALL of these visionary people the best of all worlds.
@JRM733 I probably lean more malcolm than MLK too but MLK wasnt a pushover like some people today try to make him out to be. Like I said my issue with booker from reading his writing is his kind of naive nonchalant approach to the isuues of his time. His go along just to get a long atitude totally missed the point to me. Even his quote about how a race cant prosper unless they learn the dignity of tilling the soil. Or how he thought blacks were expecting to start at the top not the bottom.
@JRM733 Why did he talk as if blacks didnt know what tilling the soil meant or blacks didnt know what being on the bottom of society was? Black were the legally sanctioned ones that were slaves. Since the country began blacks were the ones tilling the soil and were on the bottom. Whites never found dignity in tilling the soil thats why the forced blacks to be slaves. Yet whites had no problem prospering. So that saying makes no sense to say considering the time he lived nor was it reality based
Seems like nothing has changed. Still blacks ruining it for other blacks. Still racism in the USA. The world is just full of hatred, and always will be.
Excellent, Great Info, A Lot of people don't know about How Malcolm X met with Leaders of the American Nazi Party and How George Lincoln Rockwell came too The Nation of Islam Meetings. Theres pictures and minutes of these meetings.
Members of the Nation Of Islam went to a Klan Meeting down south because the Klan was talking about assasnating the Honorable Elijah Muhammad.
Excellent, Great Info, A Lot of people don't know about How Malcolm X met with Leaders of the American Nazi Party and How George Lincoln Rockwell came too The Nation of Islam Meetings. Theres pictures and minutes of these meetings.
Members of the Nation Of Islam went to a Klan Meeting down south because the Klan was talking about assasnating the Honorable Elijah Muhammad.
It seems as if Garvey was an idealist, who did not understand the complexities and wickedness of his enemies. Black socialism needed every black man, but other civil rights movements at the time such as the NAACP wanted more of an elitist black social order. This obviously was more appealing to the politicians at the time. Its a shame I wonder what would of happened if Garvey was successful.
UM, i dont understand why people are so focused on WEB Dubois and what he said about Garvey's movement. Whether there was opposition by black scholars or not the U.S. recognized that Garvey and his followers were powerful and were committed to bringing it down regardless of getting a negroes stamp of approval. I dont like how this film is positioning the two against one other. The blame still falls on the U.S. government and not on opposing viewpoints from Garvey and Dubois. Thats crazy!
AintmyAmerica, I think we are on the planet. Booker T ws intelligent, shrewd, and knew his enemies. He knw independence ws ultimately economic. Integration ws a distraction-and really meaningless. Dubois's Harvard & German background did not qualifie him to preach a practical gospel. His writting was abstract to the point of vacuity. Obama recieves the same empty praise & 'yes we can' does not imply black folk.
@macmemphis He went to a white primary school (with children who did not except him as an equal) because he lived in an area of between 25-50 blacks and 5,000 whites. His mother had a stroke when he was 13 so from then on, he was "the man of the house" and had to make sure they were provided for. Why is it that so many divisions must be made within groups, SEPARATING Black people? The white machine will always win as long as you are kept in small groups, hating each other.
The problrm with us blacks is we dont always stand together ..we always sell out, snitching and not loyal to each other.. how can pple like du bois and other bunch of em be hatin and go against marcus? its the same shit went down in africa when our own brothers sold us to them crackers!
well dubois was right, Marcus was a mad man who aligned himself with the KKK. HE was just on the other side of the spectrum. He believed that whites and blacks should be seperate. DuBois knew this and ratted him out. If you totally agree with Garvey, your a racist.
@BABYDEBRIAN my friend, the blacks in Africa were TRICKED and deceived into that by the white man. The problem with blacks amongst themselves today started with the white man.
and booker t washington? i read an article he wrote talkin about how black soldiers will be right there along side the white man fighting with him and he was making it seem like a good thing. so screw that! i dont agree with any black man fighting any white mans war, against other people in other nations (spanish american war in the phillipines)...
i taharqa. i mean as soon as i saw white people on there talking about Garvey like they could even understand what this man was all about, i totally was skeptial. its pbs for goodness sake. and i see how they're subtly trying to paint him as just crazy and a wishful thinker whose movement was purely symbolic. they say subtlety is more effective than being overt. it works on your subconcious. ive begun studying media and realizing how they manipulate your emotions and ideas and such.
This documentary has to be treated with a high degree of scepticism. It was publicly condemned by Prof Tony Martin, official historian of the UNIA (even though he appeared in it) and Marcus Garvey's son. Look at it for the photos and film footage but be wary of opinions expressed
Garvey was right. Any person against him was doing it out of envy.He was great and going against him brought Africa under development. This is why Africa is mass nation of distressed people war all over.
u are right....blacks are docile, savage creatures that when confronted against the white oppressor, they turn on and prey on each other......thats the history of the black man wheter in africa, america, carribbeans, or s america......they dont have the intellegence to fight the whtie devil like the vietnamese did, we murdered and defeated whites within 30 years....blacks have struggled for 500 years and still havent accomplished much...except for a half african uncle tom as president
Doc Dukie stick, if you really want to talk about a race of people, than you really need to do the research of European history, and stop being the Troll that you are!
LONG live BOOKER T! Booker T is my favorite social thinker along with Malcolm. His message of Self-determination, self-help, and self-worth for black people would have liberated us long ago if the message had of been heeded. BUt many blacks have been conditioned to seek white approval instead of rendering them irrelevant to us. Personally I would love to see us repatriate back to Africa and establish a new republic of Africa. Can you imagine not having to deal with this system?
Its a great idea but african americans have been in the system for so long they feel like they're superior to African Africans. And besides 90% of African Americans would want to lead the Africans. I am half african american and half African african, and the side of my family from America look down on my african side of the family even though they themselves complain of racism.
@AINTMYAMERICA don't forget Adam Clayton Powell his methods were extremely effective. One of the movers and shakers behind the civil right legislation. Sometimes the one who has the most dirt on you moves the biggest mountains : )
@AINTMYAMERICA Dont you think it was Booker T was the 1 condition to be worry about what whites think about him? He was the one who flat out encouraged blacks to be patient and wait till whites accepted blacks into society. He was the one always influencing blacks to never complain accept their inferiro position and hope some day whites would finally give blacks equality. He didnt lookk at slavery and racism as wrong and needed to be dealt with a strong arm of justice.
@rashadkijani Booker T Washington was born a slave. He understood more than most people did at the time what it would take to survive AND thrive in a culture where so much is stacked against you. In a famous 1895 Atlanta Address (yep, this is plagiarized) he said you had to deal with where you were and remain in the Jim Crow South and tolerate racial discrimination rather than make what he considered extreme or rash calls for equality.....but THEN.....
@JRM733 (I mean I found it all online or in books that I'm reading on my Kindle. I doubt Booker T Washington ever plagiarized a single word!) Sorry for the confusion.
@JRM733 Im sorry but that makes no sense to me. If some 1 is lynching blacks simply becuz of their skin color then how is running around telling other blacks not to speak up for themselves saving blacks lives? It obviously isnt saving the black people being lynched lives.And why did he think he needed to secretly challenge injust laws? If you are some 1 for doing justice there is no reason to hide your cause like you are ashamed of what you are doing.
@rashadkijani This is like assuming that there could have been street signs posted leading to stops on the underground railroad. There were many things that had to be done secretly that people were most certainly not ashamed of, but very quiet about. In 2010 we can usually YELL from a rooftop if we feel something is unjust. That has not always been the case. Teaching people to remain calm while teaching deeper methods of development led to a future for people like Malcolm X.
@JRM733 Let me rephrase my statement why did booker feel the need to hide his true feelings that he felt jim crow was unjustand speak in that manner? People like harriet tubman may have may have secretly used methods to get slaves free but she was not secretive about her stance that slavery was unjust and she like MLK, Malcolm and others did scream from the rooftops even when others werent. So people have always been able to and have screamed from the rooftops about injustices in society.
@JRM733 And what did booker do that led to people like maclom x? I dont see how you compare booker an malcolm they were opposites. Booker believed in not being vocal about what was going on and Malcolm like MLK and the rest of the civil rights movement believed in being very vocal. I personally believed that if booker was alive during the 60's movement he probably would have been 1 of the biggest critics of the civil rights movement. It wouldnt surprise me if booker would not have liked MLK.
@JRM733 If Booker T Washington knew things were stacked against blacks then that means he himself knew it was a racist country . So why did he spend so much time criticizing other blacks for actually saying something about it? And booker T lived in a time when blacks were open being lynched and discriminated against. So how is being silent and accepting an injustice to himself and the people he claimed to be protecting saving their lives?
@AINTMYAMERICA He looked at those things as minor annoyances and blacks were just blowing all te lynchings and jim crow culture out of proportion in order to get sympathy. He spent more time attacking other blacks and accusing them of racial bigotry than he did telling whites to stop jim crow.
@rashadkijani he ended up an advisor to Theo. Roosevelt and secretly used his wealth and power to finance challenges to Jim Crow laws and invest in selected black newspapers. It's easier now in retrospect to say who we would have followed, but Booker T was born in 1856 as a slave. In his case using a front door to demand rights that should have been his by birth simply would have gotten him and or others killed.
W.E.B. dubois was a propagandist controlled by whites and zionists and this is why he came out in opposition to those who preached Blackk Self government and Self-sufficiency like Marcus garvey and Booker T. His "intergrationist" propaganda kept the minds of blacks enslaved long after the chains were broken by tying the future and hope of blacks to whether or not we were integrated with white folks. BUt the problem was not Seperatism it was DISCRIMINATION against blacks and white favoritism.
He wanted an educaed WHITe elite to lead blacks. He was a puppet. He was a great intellectual, but he hurt our cause by objecting to Booker T's message of black SELF DETERMINATION. Dubois was he only black person on the board of the Naacp at the time of its founding. THe rest were Jews and whites and these devils used dubois message of "integration" to agitate whites. ANd we are still seeking concessions and reparations from white folks this very day instead of improving our own communities.
It was in the early 1970's, I think 1972. They found him dead in his bathroom. Some people say 'persons unknown' slipped into his Washington home and poisoned his toothpaste. When he used it that morning, it killed him, so that theory goes.
GARVEY THEM EVEN WOULD HAVE BEEN IN CHARGE OF COMPANIES LIKE GOODYEAR TIRE COMPANY,,AND RUBBER FACTORIES,,I READ IT IN HIS BOOK,,BUT THEY CREATED MISCHIEF UPON HIM,,UnO
president garvey was the real deal, boule diverted, note that his best friend was a boule and an agent. hoover was a black man, seen pictures of im w/ fez on, he was a dam passer, dont expect much from obama
@smoothcollected he was of negro descent, he told his family he can make them disappear if they tell, his sister has written a book, but yes j edgar hoover was a nigga
A86 you got it Garveys ideas wrong,firstly your inaccurate in maing the assertion that so called ideas of "civilizing" a nation and colonialism are an original european concept. secondly, sulf sufficient economies,and such are not uniquley western concepts.Marcus Garveys aim was to for the diaspora of socially,politically and economically opressed african descendant of brutalized slaves to capitalize on the their true enormous wealth.The goal was not to civilize africa but Europe. Peace.
i dont have a problem with Marcus Garvey's philosophy, because it was the catalyst to how many of us are leaving these devils alone. it was what it was and we lovem devil. dubois knew no other way, the house nigger. make no mistake buddy its all for a reason.
I have a problem with Marcus Garvey's philosophy because it was largely an internalization of European colonial values. He wanted a talented tenth group of middle-class, educated, elite African-Americans (supposedly "civilized black people") to go back to Africa and "civilize" the Africans. Sounds like something lifted right out of Rudyard Kipling or Cecil Rhodes' philosophy and turned into a "black thing". Except with Westernized ("civilized") blacks replacing white settlers.
R.I.P Garvey you tried your best to uplift your people. You're legacy will stand the test of time. So easily misunderstood by many people but your words have come to pass.
These people that you mentioned in your comment were all members of the Boule society. If you search this society out on the world wide web, you will find out that they were part of a anti-black conspiratorial organization.
Nothing suprises me at all, because if take DuBois in particular, he was so bitter because when he attacked Garvey, he with his so-called intellectual impression, thought he can achieve more for Africans than Garvey.
Prior to that, DuBois was inolved in the so-called civil rights struggle with the NAACP.
We need to study more about claims that W.E.B DuBois is a true scholar, because he just wanted to be heard.
Du Bois was a confused uncle tom. Marcus Garvey met with the KKK and a few white supremicist group's,Garvey was a nationalist,but he was no Khalid Muhammad . He was not a warrior like people make him out to be . But i respect him because he was one of the first to say Jesus was black .
@EddyTheEdomite Did You know that Malcolm X also met with White Supremicist Leaders Like Goerge Lincoln Rockwell of the American Nazi Party and that George Lincoln Rockwell and Nazi followers came to some Nation Of Islam meetings.
there are pictures and minutes of those meetings in the Freedom of Information files.
and understand true revolution such as this true movement foolz look how they destroy us and make our most visionary and imperial figures look like cowards and criminals sending them deeper into the exile!!!!!!!!!!!
I have to wonder about the claims of agent Herbert Boulin, that Garvey spoke of suicide, considering that he was a spy for J. Edgar Hoover. Could it be possible that this spy would lie? How much stock can we put in his claims?
Marcus Mosiah Garvey the Black Nationalist leader. Who groomed Carlos Cooks a Sint Maarten born young man who migrated to the USA where he joined the UNIA. Carlos Cooks was the man who coined the phrase buy black he also was the first man to create all Balck Beauty Queen pageants.
My own take on this is, that although Garvey was a great leader and speaker. He fell by pride. Pride goeth before a fall the bible says. Becoming the 'leader' of Africa? Hmmmmm.
Garvey failed because too many blacks believed in the Bib-lie and not African Consciousness or Kemetic Science (knowledge of self). Just like today, too many blacks are still believing in a bib-lie that was authored (fabricated) and distributed by our oppressor.
no shit...even if you are down with the teachings of christ, the bible is pretty much the oposite of those teachings. Plus faith = blind obedience in the way it is preached by church and bible. knowledge of self will always trump blind fealty.
I don't care what anyone says, this man had the balls to get the ball rolling. All you have today are "talkers"!!!!
chesumluv 2 weeks ago
i dont get why White people are so decitful and hateful..Im not sayin' every white individual is that way..but I dont get what black people ever did wrong to them in the first place to start all this??...I really just dont get it
Nikbones 5 months ago 5
@Nikbones it all started when the moors went on a conquest to invaded and civillised them, the moors were mostly ararbs but there were also black tribes who were part of the moors. so when the moors introudce them to africa and taught them slavery they took advantage and went on their own conquest.
ghanabanana 3 months ago
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@ghanabanana tht still doesnt explain why they are so innately hate-filled..
Nikbones 3 months ago
@Nikbones Read about the Moors in europe , the spanish revolution and about the black madonnas in Europe and you will get your answer. We ruled them (800 years) before they ruled us!!! Atleast we civilized them with education and hygiene!!!! They beat us and treated us like animals.!!! Without the moors , europe would have never got out of the dark ages and would have never known about navigating to the "new world!!
dwolfe71 2 months ago
@Nikbones blacks did nothing wrong. It is just the feeling of being superior and better than us is why they started this nonsense.
tmac13in34 2 weeks ago
marcus garvy is my hero
demaification 5 months ago
AFRICANS SOMETIME ARE THEIR WORST OWN ENEMY.....
AFRICA4AFRICANS 5 months ago
@AFRICA4AFRICANS .......very true my brother,we eat each other without reasoning since time..
kamlesh2668 4 months ago
Clarence Walker? Is he related to Clarence Thomas?
eyewitness043 7 months ago
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thelivingpoet 7 months ago
did dubois and any other BITCH ass UNCE TOM NIGGER ever have enough integrity and SELFRESPECT to create SElf HELP programs for blacks? What did dubois actually do for blacks but attempt to keep us smothered by white supremacy in amerikkka? What did he ever do but discourage TRUE BLACK INDEPENDENCE? what did he ever do but encourage the destruction of our AFRICAN IDENTITY and even phsical genocide by supporting racemixing, intergration? ALl he did was waork for his white controllers
theosirispapers 8 months ago
fuck WEB dubois and every other traitor to our race and the cause of AFRICAN LIBERTY. Dubois was nothing but a fucking treacherous backstabber whos only intention was to prevent BLACK INDEPENDENCE by promoting assimilation into white society and the absorbption of cracker culture. He was content with being subjugated by crackers. Content with playing second fiddle in the white mans system and did whatever he could to convince blacks not engage in programs of SELF_EMPOWERMENT
theosirispapers 8 months ago
All who nuh like MARCUS GARVEY go suck unu madda all the pastor fag weh a talk yuh nuh kno nuttn bout Marcus, ya dead man. He is sent by the almighty but a unu same 1 ridicule him an sell him out,just like yashua. Pure propoganda unu mek pon all the great black man dem but unu nuh realize seh it nah work again, can fool some people some time but not all people all the time. Nuff a wi mind free now can trick wi anymore, wi takin over. MARCUS LIVES!!!!
leugimmig 8 months ago
Garvey was a good man. He was educated for seven 7 years in Jamaica, learned the trade of printing and went to college in London. Along his travels he noticed that black people had bad conditions and wanted to help them. Dubois was just as good. He was taught at Harvard. He noticed in the U.S. that black folk had bad lives and wanted to help. Both of these men cared about Africa. If these men would have listened to each other they would have done better than they had. But they were too prideful.
Blackman1000ify 9 months ago
I hate that black ugly fat bastard tring to say garvey was a bad bussiness man. bitch he had informants you thing they didnt try to sabotage him fucking ass licker, that was a old school divide and conqure method
kiz257 9 months ago
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thelivingpoet 7 months ago
@thelivingpoet Well, I actually studied his business operation and he didn't manage it too well. You see Garvey hired black people who were personally loyal to him to do the Black Star Line jobs but they lacked the skills to do those types of jobs. That and he didn't consult experts on purchasing the ships that he used. He allowed the captain to trick him into paying more than he should have. That and the FBI fucking with the ships, it was a complete disaster.
Blackman1000ify 6 months ago
I hate that fat ugly fat bastard thring to say garvey was a bad bussiness man. bitch he had informants you thing they didnt try to sabotage him fucking ass licker
kiz257 9 months ago
This video is nothing by Propaganda... This video was made by white people (PBS). Read books on Marcus Garvy if you wanna know the TRUTH!
KelferMookie 9 months ago 15
@KelferMookie - too true- very biased words describe garvey- different stuff on malcom x who was very outspoken "i ll kill him who molest our women"- (not children?)-
lmollot 8 months ago
@KelferMookie Yeah, whoever paid for this documentary paid to have it down played.
groundpounder35 3 months ago
the negro is not wanted in america ,his home is africa,,,,rwanda,,ghana,,ivory coast,,republic of congo,,,all wonderful places for the american negro who wished to return home,,,,,we need another marcus garvey to lead the masses back to africa
nastylefthook1 9 months ago
Blacks, Africans, and people of color need to learn how not to be traitors to there cause. I see in these segments blacks that didn't have proper education which hurt Garvey. Then on the other side you have the uncle toms that ratted to Hoover.
KEVLANEW80 10 months ago
arone2454,,,u sound like a angry lost house negro....an a shame 2 ur own black kind.
hamites,,,lol,,,bible,,lol,,hebrew,,,lol,,,history,,lol,,u mean HI*STORY=hisSTORY==white mans story/view.
marcus tryed to wake up house niggers like u;;;;who love the white man more then the white man loves himself.
his idea of africa was nice,,,,ever african leader,,,who wants 2 bring african ppl together,,,gets killed off by sellouts..its called supply an demand..im shocked marcus got as far as he did.
baniez1 10 months ago
i wonder what these informants got out all of it?? money??
miamiwax 10 months ago
Oops! Wrong video. Delete my comment please.
Tyronor 11 months ago
Sorry if I said things too misunderstanding, but I already know how terrible Africans were treated. Africans were not the only race to be fucosed on while they were harmed. There are people in other areas that are still being abused more than ever (Cambodians and people in the Middle East for example).
Tyronor 11 months ago
Garvey did it wrong His ideas was rational at that time It scared people but I still believe in his ideology We as African American should go back and make america a better place
CerromeX 11 months ago
black people has been throught some heavy and mean thing in the past but we still forgive and forget but we shouldn't!! . they are the WEAK and SELLOUT black people
Anna84970 1 year ago
Dark skinned people are the devil and white people are lyres ok all light skinned people lets go back to Africa but dark skinned people cant come.
Mark12824 1 year ago
Can there ever be a fat light skinned guy from the DR who believes that dark skeined people are the devil. No Garvey was hurast by US. Gov cause Garvey had meet with the Grand Wizard and was going to make a pieces deal.
Mark12824 1 year ago
@Mark12824 Educate yourself and learn to spell before commenting on a xideo such as this Thank you :)
MsStudcity 6 months ago
Can there ever be a fat light skeined guy from the DR who believes that dark skeined people are the devil. No Garvey was hurast by US. Gov cause Garvey had meet with the Grand Wizard and was going to make a pieces deal.
Mark12824 1 year ago
where was the zoinists hands in all of this?????
kemetkush 1 year ago
Among the founders were W.E.B. DuBois, Ida Wells-Barnett, Henry Moscowitz, Oswald Garrison Villiard, Mary White Ovington, and William English Walling.
JRM733 1 year ago
NAACP was founded in 1909: The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) was founded on February 12, 1909. After a race riot in Springfield, Illinois in 1908, "The Call" went out to Northerners to find a way to create social equality. In 1909, a group of multi-racial activists held a conference in New York City in response to "The Call" and decided to form the NAACP (originally called the National Negro Committee).
JRM733 1 year ago
Du Bois was an half breed Dutch lunatic I must say. He once called Garvey "black and ugly". There will always be a house nigger like Du Bois.
caribbeandiaspora 1 year ago
@caribbeandiaspora Until we learn to stop dividing and separating and destroying ourselves, there is no need to worry that another enemy is holding us down. We do it all the time; light skinned vs. dark skinned, 'good hair' vs.curly hair, etc.......and yes, back in the day........house vs. field. The shame is that you'd even go there. What did you learn from Du Bois OR Garvey about self love???
JRM733 1 year ago
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Further, people are often discriminated against buy where they came from and your quote had drawn upon this. Caribbean soldiers were longed in the USA and Canada on British duties even before black Americans had freedom and Caribbeans had made contributions in politics, business, science, literature and shaped American history.
caribbeandiaspora 1 year ago
@JRM733
Back 2 Garvey and Du Bois, history proved Garvey was the better man. He had formulated the first declaration of human rights, instilled a sense of pride & hope. He was betrayed when Du Bois, whose ideas of black liberation were in contrast to Garvey's ideology, began complaining 2 the FBI...also betrayed in the purchased of the Black Star Line...today history can only speculate what could have been accomplished by Garvey. Today Garvey is remembered in many countries. Du Bois the looser
caribbeandiaspora 1 year ago
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du od was an agent of the government from what i hear. the naacp was developed as an group to counteract garvey's movement by the cia. of course most people in the naacp didnt know that. they people who joined the naacp didnt know any better they just blindly followed. the same wayb now. most people who are in the naacp and support dont know its history. although we cant knock the group all together becaue they did grant blacks rights like voting and whatnot.
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caribbeandiaspora 1 year ago
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I have learnt a lot from Garvey, I have learnt nothing from Du Bois when I was introduced to his work as a undergraduate. Garvey's ideologies and philosophies I can live by. Du Bois belong in the garbage bin of history but unfortunately Harvard made him look like a responsible key thinker in the the department of African studies when they set up a department in his honour. Alas, when a group of people at that time did not have much anything such as a misguided Dutch would do. Alas
caribbeandiaspora 1 year ago
@caribbeandiaspora You feel strongly about your beliefs in this so I will leave you to them. What I know to be true is that it was not Du Bois that turned to the FBI, but key figures actually working for Garvey himself. He ran into trouble with the shipping lines because he genuinely believed he was the only person smart enough to make a decision and so did not look to expert advice. This was proven in this same piece when he made himself 'president' of Africa as the only person qualified.
JRM733 1 year ago
@caribbeandiaspora Yes, he was taken advantage of. Yes, he had great vision. Unfortunately that vision stopped him from believing in the very people he wanted to 'uplift'. Had he believed in the skills and combined traits of 'his people' he may well have created something amazing. It's hard to know as even he claimed to be the only person qualified to be in charge of any of his ventures. That does not grow and strengthen a race. It simply changes whose in charge.
JRM733 1 year ago
@caribbeandiaspora The rest of the quote: Garvey suspected Du Bois was prejudiced against him because he was a Caribbean native with darker skin. Du Bois once described Marcus Garvey as "a little, fat black man; ugly, but with intelligent eyes and a big head." Garvey called Du Bois “purely and simply a white man's nigger" and "a little Dutch, a little French, a little Negro … a mulatto … a monstrosity.” This led to an acrimonious relationship between Garvey and the NAACP.
JRM733 1 year ago
@JRM733
Are you trying to make Du Bois look good by pointing out that he believed Garvey to be intelligent? The quote is as good as a prejudice upper-class Englishman talking down at a black man in a rather semi-sophisticated manner. In my view neither of these men were better educated than the other and as in the Caribbean at the end of the slave trade, Mulattos like Du Bois always deemed themselves to be above the black man & they were placed in positions of government.
caribbeandiaspora 1 year ago
MLK came to Selma 50 years after Booker T died. I don't know that any sociological comparison can be made. And sometimes a conversation is just a conversation. I'm not trying to debate you on this. My interest in prominent Black figures of History has just been especially high lately. I think it's my Kindle's fault! (lol)
JRM733 1 year ago
You make your points in a way that are relatively easy to follow and direct. I appreciate that, thank you. One question that comes to mind; what have you referenced that stated that Booker T was in favor of the Jim Crow laws/south? I have only recently begun studying his life and so far found nothing other than a man who could have been broken by lesser 'animals', turning his emotions (anger/hatred?) inward and focusing on teaching others. I have never read where he said "this was okay."
JRM733 1 year ago
@JRM733 I think it was in his atlanta compromise speech. I have only read a little too and it was awhile ago so i not sure of the reference. But he talk about gradual change and acceptance. Those words right there show he doesnt understand what justice means. If a woman is being repeatedly raped by a man you don not tell her not scream victimhood and tell her to be patient and maybe the the guy will graduallly accept her someday.
rashadkijani 1 year ago
@JRM733 First of all she is not playing victim she is simply staing a fact that she is a victim of wrong doing. Second telling her she needs to be patient and wait for her oppressor approval is ludicrous and morally bankrupt. Why should she have to change her behavior get the rapist's approval. Why doesnt the rapist have to change his behavior to get her approval? He is the one that is wrong. And telling her to only accept gradual change is basicallly saying it ok to rape her.
rashadkijani 1 year ago
@rashadkijani I'm not sure where we got off point here, but I guess we did. NO ONE IS SAYING IT'S OKAY TO ABUSE ANYONE. (Rape, etc....all falls under that same heading.) It's NOT okay, not now, not ever. It never has been. These were Leaders looking for ways to change the circumstances of lives that they had led UNWILLINGLY for a very long time. Their educated debates were focused on how best to accomplish those goals and to me, deserve our understanding.
JRM733 1 year ago
@JRM733 Well im sorry I was using an analogy I should have have stated that. I know rape is wrong but Im stating some of his comments and speeches ive read of him to give you an idea of why I think he was the one who seemed to be more concerned with whites approval than concerned with doing justice.
rashadkijani 1 year ago
@rashadkijani Nah, you did fine. I got that. Anyway in Tulsa for instance, the first thing the sheriff did was start deputizing every white jerk-off with a gun. If you didn't have one, they gave them out. THEN, they brought out a machine gun. No SANE person is going to turn a machine gun on family's fleeing their homes for their lives. I think Booker T knew that and so he talked if anything, "down" to the whites in hopes of keeping peace while other plans for civil rights could be made.
JRM733 1 year ago
@JRM733 To me it like you are saying that the guy cant help himself so you are going to cater his raping impulse by allowing him to rape her lets say 10 times this week and maybe 9 times week next then 8 times and hope the trend continues until he finally quits being a rapist. Well to me that is how booker viewed racism during hist time. He didnt view it as an injustice that needed to be eliminated and radically change he viewed as some kind of annoyance. That blacks should learn to endure.
rashadkijani 1 year ago
@JRM733 And what is wrong with being angry? What is so noble about not getting angry when you are being treated unjust? And to me booket t didnt have a problem with getting angry,expressing his grievances, or being publicly vocal about when he didnt like something. If another black person or black people did something he felt was wrong he had no problem being openly and publicly vocal or screaming from the rooftops as you put it.
rashadkijani 1 year ago
@rashadkijani Between 1919 and 1921 (that I've found so far, and I've just started looking,) five communities of Black people were basically wiped off the map. The communities I know of so far were in Tulsa, (Greenwood), OK; Elaine, AK; Knoxville, TN; and Chicago, IL. In addition, violence was statewide in Florida during the 1920 election campaign. The threat of violence was always just under the surface. I believe some leaders believed that they had to fight this war "smarter".
JRM733 1 year ago
@JRM733 FYI: There are clearly still Black people in Chicago, but I'll tell you, we're from there and what Martin Luther King, Jr. said, could very well be true. He said it was the most racist city in the country. I have lived all over and never seen anything like it until I moved there. It isn't a name-calling sorta racism, but the self-segregation is pretty clear.
JRM733 1 year ago
@JRM733 That means the threat of violence wasnt lurking under the surface and waitng to strike. That means violence is out in the open and already did strike.
rashadkijani 1 year ago
@JRM733 I find it interesting you used the word "war". If you believe there was war going on during booker t lifetime, which i also believe was going on also then why do you revere him. To me booker's whole message is to basically say there is no war going on. It just some minor misunderstood perception that blacks had towards whites and blacks just needed to get over it. And why do you say the threat of violence was just under the surface after listing that 5 black communities were destroyed?
rashadkijani 1 year ago
@rashadkijani I never said I revered him. (I don't remember putting much effort into reading about him before yesterday.) I said it was worth understanding his approach. there are many paths to victory. sometimes you have to look to see what's been done and why. you asked about the threat of violence...he spoke prior to the 1919-1921 events I wrote about. He actually died in 1915.
JRM733 1 year ago
@JRM733 I believe in looking to see why violence was done too but what do think was the reason for wiping out 5 black communities? And my problem with booker t wasnt the fact he believed in non violence he sounds like he believed in non-ressitance. What was the harm in being openly vocal about and direct about the disgusting things that went on during his time? The people doing wrong wrong were not being secretive about their hatred toward blacks.
rashadkijani 1 year ago
@rashadkijani I actually don't care as much about WHY violence was done in this case. In the long run it's because the white people involved in inciting these crimes were EVIL and CRIMINALS. But I do think it's worth studying which courses of action were effective for those people that we're being persecuted. For instance, if Booker T had been openly vocal about his feelings, there would never have been a Tuskegee University.
JRM733 1 year ago
@JRM733 Tuskegee's mission has always been service to people, not education for its own sake. Stressing the need to educate the whole person -- the hand and the heart, as well as the mind -- Dr. Washington's school was soon acclaimed first by Alabama and then by the nation for the soundness and vigor of its educational programs and principles.
(He was LONG dead before the government decided that would be a great place to test syphilis. It had nothing to do with him.)
JRM733 1 year ago
@rashadkijani Over the past 122 years since it was founded by Dr. Booker T. Washington in 1881, Tuskegee University has become one of the nation's most outstanding institutions of higher learning. While Tuskegee has historically focused on helping to develop human resources primarily within the African-American community, the University is open to all.
JRM733 1 year ago
@JRM733 So why did booker think he needed to be secretive about his feelings about their injustices?
rashadkijani 1 year ago
@rashadkijani probably fear....but it would be a guess. I don't know that much about him. I'm just starting to read up on this stuff.
JRM733 1 year ago
@JRM733 You sent me an excerpt that proves the point I was trying to make. It clearlystates that booker t told blacks not to protest in any way for justice an equality becuz he was concerned about agittaing white people feelings. Well so what if it agitated white people feelings. The only white people who would have a problem with being fair would obviously be the ones that are racist. That is like saying if someone robs a bank we shouldnt protest and demand he should be put in jail.
rashadkijani 1 year ago
@JRM733 Becuz we are afraid it might anger the person who robbed the bank. Well so what if he gets angry and doesnt like it. Im glad it angers him and what about the banks feelings. Why criticize the banks actions for hurting the the bank robbers feelings? Why not criticize the bank robber actions that hurt the bank owners feelings?
rashadkijani 1 year ago
@JRM733 Arent blacks human beings too? Didnt being being lynched and told you arent human on a daily basis hurt the blacks feeelings during that time too? How come booker looked at blacks complaining as being miltant toward whites? But whites were not only verbally abusive but literally murderous to blacks but booker didnt seem to think it was whites were being miltant or agitating blacks.
rashadkijani 1 year ago
@rashadkijani Militant: "disposed to warfare or hard-line policies; "militant nations"; "hawkish congressman"; "warlike policies" ... Strange how in all these years so very little has changed.
Ghandi said - "Anger and intolerance are the enemies of correct understanding"
MLK - "Nonviolence means avoiding not only external physical violence but also internal violence of spirit. You not only refuse to shoot a man, but you refuse to hate him."
Malcolm X - "By any means necessary"
JRM733 1 year ago
@JRM733 How did what you typed refute anything I just commented on? I never said I had a problem with non-violence I said i had a problem with non-resistance. MLK was oppsite of Booker t too. He may have believed in non-violence but he definitely didnt tell people to be quiet and put up with an injustice.He was a firm believer in screaming from the rooftops. MLK urged blacks to demand justice and equaklity even if it hurt white people feelings.
rashadkijani 1 year ago
@rashadkijani At some point you just have to pick the Leader that best suits your own beliefs. Is it NOI or the Panther party? We choose leaders by finding those people that carry a message and make us believe in ourselves and in our ability to succeed. Like these other Leaders, Booker T had his own following. Clearly you would not have been one of them. I wouldn't either, but we live in a different time now. I don't know how I'd have felt during his lifetime.
JRM733 1 year ago
@JRM733 In fact alot of whites and even some blacks who accussed MLK of being an agittaotr of white people too. Just like booker would accusse other blacks that spoke out during his time of being agitatorsof white people. Booker believed being patient and silent was the best way . MLK was constant critcizing whites and blacks for remaining silent. "In the End, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends." -MLK
rashadkijani 1 year ago
@rashadkijani GREAT QUOTE! If I had to choose between MLK and Malcolm X as the Leader I would have followed, it would have been Malcolm X. I am actually probably more militant than not. I DO believe that there is a time to fight back. I also believe that there are times to build an infrastructure to support an entire race of people as they grow and develop. By learning from ALL of these visionary people the best of all worlds.
JRM733 1 year ago
@JRM733 I probably lean more malcolm than MLK too but MLK wasnt a pushover like some people today try to make him out to be. Like I said my issue with booker from reading his writing is his kind of naive nonchalant approach to the isuues of his time. His go along just to get a long atitude totally missed the point to me. Even his quote about how a race cant prosper unless they learn the dignity of tilling the soil. Or how he thought blacks were expecting to start at the top not the bottom.
rashadkijani 1 year ago
@JRM733 Why did he talk as if blacks didnt know what tilling the soil meant or blacks didnt know what being on the bottom of society was? Black were the legally sanctioned ones that were slaves. Since the country began blacks were the ones tilling the soil and were on the bottom. Whites never found dignity in tilling the soil thats why the forced blacks to be slaves. Yet whites had no problem prospering. So that saying makes no sense to say considering the time he lived nor was it reality based
rashadkijani 1 year ago
@rashadkijani Thanks for the conversation. We'll have to do it again some time.
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useelaomega 1 year ago
Im starting to get the feeling that W.E.B. Dubois was a freemason...
SincereTheLady 1 year ago
@SincereTheLady who isnt
lyfe1zruff 1 year ago
I highly respect W.E.B. Dubois, one of the most intelligent men in modern history... maybe he was right about Garvey's pomp..
JTheTeach 1 year ago
It's always our own who have to let us down by being undercover agents of their white massa.
BlackSkinnedWarrior 1 year ago
@BlackSkinnedWarrior true true true
smoothcollected 1 year ago
Brother Marcus, W e Shall Never Leave U In Vain, Yeah
akeemdayer 1 year ago
Seems like nothing has changed. Still blacks ruining it for other blacks. Still racism in the USA. The world is just full of hatred, and always will be.
nugsalad 1 year ago
crabs in a barrel
pistonear 1 year ago
Every black man in america should have this philosphy instilled in him.
realtruth901 1 year ago
Marcus Garvey the john the baptist greatest prophet ever
Rkingman 1 year ago
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cgreenartpro1 1 year ago
Excellent, Great Info, A Lot of people don't know about How Malcolm X met with Leaders of the American Nazi Party and How George Lincoln Rockwell came too The Nation of Islam Meetings. Theres pictures and minutes of these meetings.
Members of the Nation Of Islam went to a Klan Meeting down south because the Klan was talking about assasnating the Honorable Elijah Muhammad.
cgreenartpro1 1 year ago
Excellent, Great Info
cgreenartpro1 1 year ago
It seems as if Garvey was an idealist, who did not understand the complexities and wickedness of his enemies. Black socialism needed every black man, but other civil rights movements at the time such as the NAACP wanted more of an elitist black social order. This obviously was more appealing to the politicians at the time. Its a shame I wonder what would of happened if Garvey was successful.
aerialman2009 1 year ago
UM, i dont understand why people are so focused on WEB Dubois and what he said about Garvey's movement. Whether there was opposition by black scholars or not the U.S. recognized that Garvey and his followers were powerful and were committed to bringing it down regardless of getting a negroes stamp of approval. I dont like how this film is positioning the two against one other. The blame still falls on the U.S. government and not on opposing viewpoints from Garvey and Dubois. Thats crazy!
zaloveza 1 year ago 4
AintmyAmerica, I think we are on the planet. Booker T ws intelligent, shrewd, and knew his enemies. He knw independence ws ultimately economic. Integration ws a distraction-and really meaningless. Dubois's Harvard & German background did not qualifie him to preach a practical gospel. His writting was abstract to the point of vacuity. Obama recieves the same empty praise & 'yes we can' does not imply black folk.
24Cenac 1 year ago
garvey was good he got messed up by others
acandterra 2 years ago
du bouis was a house nigger went to high school wiith whites and was a member of the boule.
macmemphis 2 years ago
@macmemphis He went to a white primary school (with children who did not except him as an equal) because he lived in an area of between 25-50 blacks and 5,000 whites. His mother had a stroke when he was 13 so from then on, he was "the man of the house" and had to make sure they were provided for. Why is it that so many divisions must be made within groups, SEPARATING Black people? The white machine will always win as long as you are kept in small groups, hating each other.
JRM733 1 year ago
The problrm with us blacks is we dont always stand together ..we always sell out, snitching and not loyal to each other.. how can pple like du bois and other bunch of em be hatin and go against marcus? its the same shit went down in africa when our own brothers sold us to them crackers!
BABYDEBRIAN 2 years ago 11
well dubois was right, Marcus was a mad man who aligned himself with the KKK. HE was just on the other side of the spectrum. He believed that whites and blacks should be seperate. DuBois knew this and ratted him out. If you totally agree with Garvey, your a racist.
paintdataint 2 years ago
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jclassy 11 months ago
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@BABYDEBRIAN my friend, the blacks in Africa were TRICKED and deceived into that by the white man. The problem with blacks amongst themselves today started with the white man.
jclassy 11 months ago
I agree with realnyss
Jrobinson2009 2 years ago 2
This was a man who was trying to build his own black empire.
Quattyroy 2 years ago 2
and booker t washington? i read an article he wrote talkin about how black soldiers will be right there along side the white man fighting with him and he was making it seem like a good thing. so screw that! i dont agree with any black man fighting any white mans war, against other people in other nations (spanish american war in the phillipines)...
realnyss 2 years ago 2
i taharqa. i mean as soon as i saw white people on there talking about Garvey like they could even understand what this man was all about, i totally was skeptial. its pbs for goodness sake. and i see how they're subtly trying to paint him as just crazy and a wishful thinker whose movement was purely symbolic. they say subtlety is more effective than being overt. it works on your subconcious. ive begun studying media and realizing how they manipulate your emotions and ideas and such.
realnyss 2 years ago
This documentary has to be treated with a high degree of scepticism. It was publicly condemned by Prof Tony Martin, official historian of the UNIA (even though he appeared in it) and Marcus Garvey's son. Look at it for the photos and film footage but be wary of opinions expressed
taharqa6246 2 years ago
Clarence Walker is a homosexual Uncle Tom keeping the Boule flame shining bright!
BIGBKELtheGOD 2 years ago
vice grip has jamaican i'm so prode of marcus garvey nice video
vicegrip88 2 years ago
do u think it's over? no that is the reason we have 2 stand 2gether. think about u and just family! live 4 them stand 4 ur ppl!
black251963 2 years ago
this trash is loaded with propaganda and lies.
TheEvilOyo 2 years ago 2
clarify!
kingdomaffiliate 2 years ago
Garvey was right. Any person against him was doing it out of envy.He was great and going against him brought Africa under development. This is why Africa is mass nation of distressed people war all over.
thirdexodus2008 2 years ago
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looks like a black wanabe mussolini. Thank god those blacks didn't have the brains to make an army and fight against their masters
Thunderthor1988 2 years ago
LOL!! You're funny!
aethiops007 2 years ago
u are right....blacks are docile, savage creatures that when confronted against the white oppressor, they turn on and prey on each other......thats the history of the black man wheter in africa, america, carribbeans, or s america......they dont have the intellegence to fight the whtie devil like the vietnamese did, we murdered and defeated whites within 30 years....blacks have struggled for 500 years and still havent accomplished much...except for a half african uncle tom as president
DocumentaryDude 2 years ago
Doc Dukie stick, if you really want to talk about a race of people, than you really need to do the research of European history, and stop being the Troll that you are!
usarkem 2 years ago
anything the US govt touches causes turmoil & never peace.
yungrichluv 3 years ago 2
LONG live BOOKER T! Booker T is my favorite social thinker along with Malcolm. His message of Self-determination, self-help, and self-worth for black people would have liberated us long ago if the message had of been heeded. BUt many blacks have been conditioned to seek white approval instead of rendering them irrelevant to us. Personally I would love to see us repatriate back to Africa and establish a new republic of Africa. Can you imagine not having to deal with this system?
AINTMYAMERICA 3 years ago 10
Its a great idea but african americans have been in the system for so long they feel like they're superior to African Africans. And besides 90% of African Americans would want to lead the Africans. I am half african american and half African african, and the side of my family from America look down on my african side of the family even though they themselves complain of racism.
jaynana12 2 years ago
@AINTMYAMERICA don't forget Adam Clayton Powell his methods were extremely effective. One of the movers and shakers behind the civil right legislation. Sometimes the one who has the most dirt on you moves the biggest mountains : )
pistonear 1 year ago
@AINTMYAMERICA Dont you think it was Booker T was the 1 condition to be worry about what whites think about him? He was the one who flat out encouraged blacks to be patient and wait till whites accepted blacks into society. He was the one always influencing blacks to never complain accept their inferiro position and hope some day whites would finally give blacks equality. He didnt lookk at slavery and racism as wrong and needed to be dealt with a strong arm of justice.
rashadkijani 1 year ago
@rashadkijani Booker T Washington was born a slave. He understood more than most people did at the time what it would take to survive AND thrive in a culture where so much is stacked against you. In a famous 1895 Atlanta Address (yep, this is plagiarized) he said you had to deal with where you were and remain in the Jim Crow South and tolerate racial discrimination rather than make what he considered extreme or rash calls for equality.....but THEN.....
JRM733 1 year ago
@JRM733 (I mean I found it all online or in books that I'm reading on my Kindle. I doubt Booker T Washington ever plagiarized a single word!) Sorry for the confusion.
JRM733 1 year ago
@JRM733 Im sorry but that makes no sense to me. If some 1 is lynching blacks simply becuz of their skin color then how is running around telling other blacks not to speak up for themselves saving blacks lives? It obviously isnt saving the black people being lynched lives.And why did he think he needed to secretly challenge injust laws? If you are some 1 for doing justice there is no reason to hide your cause like you are ashamed of what you are doing.
rashadkijani 1 year ago
@rashadkijani This is like assuming that there could have been street signs posted leading to stops on the underground railroad. There were many things that had to be done secretly that people were most certainly not ashamed of, but very quiet about. In 2010 we can usually YELL from a rooftop if we feel something is unjust. That has not always been the case. Teaching people to remain calm while teaching deeper methods of development led to a future for people like Malcolm X.
JRM733 1 year ago
@JRM733 Let me rephrase my statement why did booker feel the need to hide his true feelings that he felt jim crow was unjustand speak in that manner? People like harriet tubman may have may have secretly used methods to get slaves free but she was not secretive about her stance that slavery was unjust and she like MLK, Malcolm and others did scream from the rooftops even when others werent. So people have always been able to and have screamed from the rooftops about injustices in society.
rashadkijani 1 year ago
@JRM733 And what did booker do that led to people like maclom x? I dont see how you compare booker an malcolm they were opposites. Booker believed in not being vocal about what was going on and Malcolm like MLK and the rest of the civil rights movement believed in being very vocal. I personally believed that if booker was alive during the 60's movement he probably would have been 1 of the biggest critics of the civil rights movement. It wouldnt surprise me if booker would not have liked MLK.
rashadkijani 1 year ago
@JRM733 If Booker T Washington knew things were stacked against blacks then that means he himself knew it was a racist country . So why did he spend so much time criticizing other blacks for actually saying something about it? And booker T lived in a time when blacks were open being lynched and discriminated against. So how is being silent and accepting an injustice to himself and the people he claimed to be protecting saving their lives?
rashadkijani 1 year ago
@AINTMYAMERICA He looked at those things as minor annoyances and blacks were just blowing all te lynchings and jim crow culture out of proportion in order to get sympathy. He spent more time attacking other blacks and accusing them of racial bigotry than he did telling whites to stop jim crow.
rashadkijani 1 year ago
@rashadkijani he ended up an advisor to Theo. Roosevelt and secretly used his wealth and power to finance challenges to Jim Crow laws and invest in selected black newspapers. It's easier now in retrospect to say who we would have followed, but Booker T was born in 1856 as a slave. In his case using a front door to demand rights that should have been his by birth simply would have gotten him and or others killed.
JRM733 1 year ago
W.E.B. dubois was a propagandist controlled by whites and zionists and this is why he came out in opposition to those who preached Blackk Self government and Self-sufficiency like Marcus garvey and Booker T. His "intergrationist" propaganda kept the minds of blacks enslaved long after the chains were broken by tying the future and hope of blacks to whether or not we were integrated with white folks. BUt the problem was not Seperatism it was DISCRIMINATION against blacks and white favoritism.
AINTMYAMERICA 3 years ago
I agree with that all the way. Dubois wanted an educational elite to lead blacks.
shahid0566 3 years ago
He wanted an educaed WHITe elite to lead blacks. He was a puppet. He was a great intellectual, but he hurt our cause by objecting to Booker T's message of black SELF DETERMINATION. Dubois was he only black person on the board of the Naacp at the time of its founding. THe rest were Jews and whites and these devils used dubois message of "integration" to agitate whites. ANd we are still seeking concessions and reparations from white folks this very day instead of improving our own communities.
AINTMYAMERICA 3 years ago 4
Part African American/African African? What & where is that government , Constitution, National flag? What's your nationality?
ohmra 2 years ago
you have to admit that meet up with the Klu Klux Klan was a bit stupid
kulk4471 3 years ago
when did J. Edgar Hoover die and how?
kulk4471 3 years ago
It was in the early 1970's, I think 1972. They found him dead in his bathroom. Some people say 'persons unknown' slipped into his Washington home and poisoned his toothpaste. When he used it that morning, it killed him, so that theory goes.
vinegaroon1 3 years ago
yea he got poisoned by his lover!
SHERAYAMILI 3 years ago
GARVEY THEM EVEN WOULD HAVE BEEN IN CHARGE OF COMPANIES LIKE GOODYEAR TIRE COMPANY,,AND RUBBER FACTORIES,,I READ IT IN HIS BOOK,,BUT THEY CREATED MISCHIEF UPON HIM,,UnO
RobJahLuv 3 years ago
great leaders always live in the thoughts of future generations...
amilaku 3 years ago
i feel you
biz804 3 years ago
president garvey was the real deal, boule diverted, note that his best friend was a boule and an agent. hoover was a black man, seen pictures of im w/ fez on, he was a dam passer, dont expect much from obama
muptahu24 3 years ago 6
@muptahu24 dont ever say hoover was brotha.
smoothcollected 1 year ago
@smoothcollected he was of negro descent, he told his family he can make them disappear if they tell, his sister has written a book, but yes j edgar hoover was a nigga
muptahu24 1 year ago
BOULE CAME AT GARVEY
muptahu24 3 years ago
A86 you got it Garveys ideas wrong,firstly your inaccurate in maing the assertion that so called ideas of "civilizing" a nation and colonialism are an original european concept. secondly, sulf sufficient economies,and such are not uniquley western concepts.Marcus Garveys aim was to for the diaspora of socially,politically and economically opressed african descendant of brutalized slaves to capitalize on the their true enormous wealth.The goal was not to civilize africa but Europe. Peace.
KINGSUPREMEKING 3 years ago
i dont have a problem with Marcus Garvey's philosophy, because it was the catalyst to how many of us are leaving these devils alone. it was what it was and we lovem devil. dubois knew no other way, the house nigger. make no mistake buddy its all for a reason.
abyssoner 3 years ago
I have a problem with Marcus Garvey's philosophy because it was largely an internalization of European colonial values. He wanted a talented tenth group of middle-class, educated, elite African-Americans (supposedly "civilized black people") to go back to Africa and "civilize" the Africans. Sounds like something lifted right out of Rudyard Kipling or Cecil Rhodes' philosophy and turned into a "black thing". Except with Westernized ("civilized") blacks replacing white settlers.
A86 3 years ago
R.I.P Garvey you tried your best to uplift your people. You're legacy will stand the test of time. So easily misunderstood by many people but your words have come to pass.
wisenatts 3 years ago 4
De bois was a snake and a puppet like many blacks who they think what little power they were given mount to anything. JUDAS, BRUTUS!
Woe to you.
Don't believe the Catholic with their blonde hair blue eye man they call Christ. The true hebrews were blacks Deut 28:64-68 & Rev 3:9.
BlackUnitedFront 3 years ago 2
DuBois is defintely a stooge.
He was the main devil that plotted the downfall against Garvey.
He, Asa Philip Randolph and Cyril Briggs all those stooges along with the bigoted American Government destroyed Brother Marcus Garvey.
peasah2005 2 years ago 2
These people that you mentioned in your comment were all members of the Boule society. If you search this society out on the world wide web, you will find out that they were part of a anti-black conspiratorial organization.
louis15x 2 years ago
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Nothing suprises me at all, because if take DuBois in particular, he was so bitter because when he attacked Garvey, he with his so-called intellectual impression, thought he can achieve more for Africans than Garvey.
Prior to that, DuBois was inolved in the so-called civil rights struggle with the NAACP.
We need to study more about claims that W.E.B DuBois is a true scholar, because he just wanted to be heard.
peasah2005 2 years ago
he had to be an agent
bottomsbaby 2 years ago
Du Bois was a confused uncle tom. Marcus Garvey met with the KKK and a few white supremicist group's,Garvey was a nationalist,but he was no Khalid Muhammad . He was not a warrior like people make him out to be . But i respect him because he was one of the first to say Jesus was black .
EddyTheEdomite 2 years ago
@EddyTheEdomite Did You know that Malcolm X also met with White Supremicist Leaders Like Goerge Lincoln Rockwell of the American Nazi Party and that George Lincoln Rockwell and Nazi followers came to some Nation Of Islam meetings.
there are pictures and minutes of those meetings in the Freedom of Information files.
cgreenartpro1 1 year ago
The Coalition of Supporters Unions of Africa (Cosua)google this...
evette808 3 years ago
there's always an Uncle Tom amongst us....
evette808 3 years ago 2
a big part of business is failure dont get discourage be strong and study the dark
roblew1 3 years ago 2
fuck your petty commentz and get miltant
search for the spook that sat by the door
and understand true revolution such as this true movement foolz look how they destroy us and make our most visionary and imperial figures look like cowards and criminals sending them deeper into the exile!!!!!!!!!!!
AusetAsaru360Gbody 3 years ago
Marcus Garvey the biggest black con-man in History !!!
ASMLF2 3 years ago
Learn more about Garvey than being ignorant.
Garvey was uniting Africans in unity and what's so conning about that?
peasah2005 2 years ago
I have to wonder about the claims of agent Herbert Boulin, that Garvey spoke of suicide, considering that he was a spy for J. Edgar Hoover. Could it be possible that this spy would lie? How much stock can we put in his claims?
Healer2K 4 years ago 2
Marcus Mosiah Garvey the Black Nationalist leader. Who groomed Carlos Cooks a Sint Maarten born young man who migrated to the USA where he joined the UNIA. Carlos Cooks was the man who coined the phrase buy black he also was the first man to create all Balck Beauty Queen pageants.
Lionzman 4 years ago
However, he was a great man. I admire his efforts towards empowerment of the black race. And also development, I believe in this.
Vessel23 4 years ago
My own take on this is, that although Garvey was a great leader and speaker. He fell by pride. Pride goeth before a fall the bible says. Becoming the 'leader' of Africa? Hmmmmm.
Vessel23 4 years ago
Garvey failed because too many blacks believed in the Bib-lie and not African Consciousness or Kemetic Science (knowledge of self). Just like today, too many blacks are still believing in a bib-lie that was authored (fabricated) and distributed by our oppressor.
reghubert 3 years ago 2
no shit...even if you are down with the teachings of christ, the bible is pretty much the oposite of those teachings. Plus faith = blind obedience in the way it is preached by church and bible. knowledge of self will always trump blind fealty.
SFwizardoakland 3 years ago