plus i'll save quite a bit of money on this compared to the porsche panamera and that car looks rediculous in comparison to the rest of the porsche industry...would i drive it? hell yea haha
standard shift? wtf? im pretty sure we would all agree that if it was a MANUAL it would be much faster than the automatic...gives the driver more control over the car and lets him pick the right gear...kindve like the shifting problems with paddle shifting aston martin vanquish or db9..just can never find the right gear
@2bNIKEt1 Guess you haven't watched a F1 race in a while or ever, F1 drivers don't seem to have a problem driving or finding the right gear in their F1 paddle shift cars. And the F1 cars are turning over 240mph on some track straightaways. If you live in the US you can check out F1 and paddle shifting yourself Oct, 10th on Speed Network 2am est.
@quirpco yes my 68 coupe deville with 472ci"7.7 liter"wouldn't do this course as fast either! but at 60mp/h i could lean into the throttle and lite the tires up! so for that i thank you Cadillac! and so does my son as this is how his mother knew she wanted my seed!!! lmao, the cam from summit racing and the dual 950 dbl pumpers on the dual carb intake helped me achieve this.
i swear i have never said this before. after reading the review of this car winning against the new BMW M-5 in every category and overall and seeing this car handle on the track i would consider this American car over the foreign.
@aescoblaze03 i drive alot and get 300,000 plus miles out of all my American made cars i buy while my friends buy jap cars and junk them before 100,000 miles do to engine failures, America started making good cars again in the 90's, why is everyone not paying attention?
@GamesterX69 my father used to work for ford motor company. we have had Chevys, Pontiacs, Fords, etc.. and we have concluded and so have just about All the mechanics that i have talked to about american cars that, they don't come close to the overall quality of most foreign manufacturers such as Honda, Toyota. during a SpeedTV programming, a CEO from Chevrolet even admited the bankruptcy of Chevy was due to poor quality and loss of interest in their cars.
@aescoblaze03...Isn't that why toyota is going to be next for bankruptcy because of poor quality and lost interest in there cars, I mean come on...camery,corolla. Dosen't get worse than that. "Toyota, a smart way to keep moving backwards"
whats so bad ass is that was in a sedan with an automatic. AMERICA FUCK YEAH COMIN AGAIN TO SAVE THE MOTHA FUCKIN DAY YEAH AMERICA!!!! SO LICK MY BUTT AND SUCK ON MY BALLS!!! AMERICAAAHHH!! FUCK YEAH!!
@quacktackular So how many laps did they have to drive to make this record? I'll bet money they didn't get it on the 1st try. I see GM is still wasting tons of money, just how much of the tax payers money did they spend taking a Cadillac to Nurburgring to make his record? OPM.
@dlfswi well they did come out with a record for a sedan,so it was money well spent.......so i don't see this a waste of money,in that case all var companies are losing money than.
I love how little shitrods come out of the woodwork to bash GM. And wasting money? Last I checked moron every manufacturer in the world loses money on their top end sports cars. They're a niche market and their purpose is to ignite interest in their smaller cars. Why do you think Honda compares the Civic's and Accords to F1 Cars? It's how you make a name for yourself. You take a small loss for a bigger gain. Guess you really don't know as much as you thought you did.
I drive an 18 year old Taurus SHO that has over 166k on it. Ford didn't take any US government loans and doesn't waste time and money trying to impress the upper class citizens with over priced cars. Last GM I owned was a 1982 Grand Prix that the engine ceased at 61k, so I don't have any love for GM that's true, but that doesn't change the fact that GM wasted taxpayers money doing this.
My dad had a Pontiac Bonneville for over 16 years, my Mom had a Lumina for 13, both were over 180,000 klicks when they traded them. No major issues on either. My SS Turbo has been down the drag strip over 120 runs, gets driven spiritedly daily, tons of city and highway driving, three winters and two summers and 41,000 klicks. Not one single issue yet. We drove Cadilac DTS' at my last job. No issues. GM builds good cars. Ford and GM both. Stop being ignorant.
And your government has wasted your tax dollars on two pointless wars, golfing trips, etc, etc. And no GM didn't waste tax payers money. They built a high performance world record breaking Sedan to ignite interest in their smaller, less costly offerings. The only way to get tax payer money back is to spend it. Learn smart business my friend. Take the blue oval glasses off and stop being a prejudiced dickhead. All makers have had their problems.
@dlfswi I have a 1994 Chevy Silverado with 218,180 Miles on it and guess what no proplems, the engine that went out at 61K of yours you probably never checked the oil or changed any thing in there, you have to take care of it if you want it to last.
nope your wrong on that guess, oil was changed every 2,500 miles and was maintained by my GM dealer. Turns out it was a bad engine design on their crummy aluminum block V-6 engine. I wasn't the only one across the country that had this problem with this engine.
@dlfswi A 1982 model is hardly a relevant comparison to the cars they are building today. I drive a '03 S10 with the little 2.2 that has 293,000 miles on it, all still original engine and drivetrain. I replaced the clutch at 210,000 and the only real problem was the pilot bushing was bad. That truck is a very low-tech, basic vehicle and it just keeps going, and going, and going...
@dlfswi Had Gm not paid their loan back, your taxpayer whine would be valid. Since they have, stop crying about tax money you have no control over anyway. I wonder why its only americans who bash their own car brands over and over and over. It's no wonder the country is falling apart. The people in it that call themselves american don't even respect their own.
& had a ride closer to the competition. So I think you're splitting hairs... Bottom line: the platform is very good & capable. I don't see how anyone can call this a "cheap" car. Show some respect.
Fact is, other brands put models out that can be rather jarring on rough pavement such as the AMG E class... an unrefinement for a luxury sport sedan. BTW: on the video, the ride didn't look bad on the rings less than perfect surface. Fact is the production CTS-V has a better ride than the competition, so even if what you say is true, they could have had a Euro spec verison & gone sitffer
Even if they adjusted spring rates, but didn't go w it since it was too stiff for the "public's liking" now does that take away? Because they did what the customer wanted... and to many, in the US market where it will mostly be sold, a smoother ride is important since roads can be very rough not ultra smooth like in Germany. If that wasn't the case it could have gone production... so it's not that it wasn't capable but rather a matter of preference.
Cadillac CTS-V placed FOURTH in the latest CAR magazine comparo. This is with the same driver. A fair comparison, unlike the BS from Government Motors.
CTS-V lost and placed 4th in the latest CAR magazine comparo.
@exBMRguy I guess you're saying Americans are the best drivers? To get such a "terrible" car as the cts-v down to under 8 minutes John Heinricy must be really good.
This was a pre-production model, meaning testing was done on spring rates, shocks and brakes that did not come on the later production model, multiple spring rates and other combinations were used in testing, the ones that posted the best times were not necessarly the ones that made it to production, they were too stiff for the public's liking.
How is this hard to understand for even the Dumbest and most hard headed of Youtube users?
Im not sure what you're saying, but the Nissan GTR has done 7:26 and yes thats faster than the Porsches and Audis, but we were talking about 4dr sedans not Sports cars.
Talking about the old skyline, the R34 and R33, those were both based on a passenger car, I don't understand what you mean by "you can't buy this" When it's just a high end production model. From the looks of it, you just don't like American cars.
This Caddy is an absolute BEAST and it has no doubt made its mark on this legandary track. I like the fact that they did no mods outside of factory trim for the run and I think it is also quite a beautiful car.
Nice lap, but....its a shame that this car lost all of his comfort just to break the record on nordschleife, you can see how hard and rough the suspension is, there isnt a moment where the car doesnt bump around heavily. If you watch some M5 video you will see that its much more comfortable and smooth.
Actually it looks more like there is just a shitty mount on the inside center of the car. Notice it is fine on several angles and crap on others, someone just screwed up on the mounting.
I have driven this exact car, and though I do not know if they changed anything I will say I liked the performance from it much more than the M5 although the M5 had a much classier interior.
im confused, when was the time set and this is the nurburgring, not nordschleife or w/e lol. idk if it is another word for the track but i know unless it was just done its either modded or not the same track
Yeah, the tires and brakes, as stated atleast 20 times, is on the Factory options list, making them perfectly STOCK, the 7:58 stands, oh wait it doesn't, the Porsche Panamera Turbo recently did a 7:56, too bad for GM once again. Hahaha!
The Panamera that ran the 7:56 was the $130k base priced Turbo version, which is great but really 3 sec for $60k+ more really is not worth it to me in a street car. An all out track car yes it would matter, every bit matters.
To the Audi argument, both times are correct. The 8:06 was the most recent done in 6/06 and the 7:58 in 10/05. If I remember correctly though the 7:58 was the manual so the fair comparison is the 8:06 as the car setups were both autos on sport mode.
The Cts-v Come to find out, was preproduction, had springs that weren't stock, and MOST of all the cage, people tried to say it was a seat belt harness and had no effect, GM said it was a CAGE for safety, you cant cage a car without making the frame stiffer, it doesn't work like that.
BTW, Roll cage's aren't on GM's factory option list and the car would have been slower without it.
There was no roll car it was a harness bar and every car runs them on the ring. They said was a roll bar for saftey and I ACTUALLY DRIVE THIS CAR at the Cadillac Performance Driving Experience on Monticello and it was still in there. It was NOT A CAGE.
GM Said it was a roll bar and not a cage, others were saying it because it was true. Most tracks like the ring require it for certain time classes.
Gm said it was a cage, cage or not it still braces the frame, this was a preproduction model NOT HOW YOU BUY IT FROM the dealership, you may drive this car, but you cant buy THIS car at the dealership, not in this trim.
Just because you do not see it in a video does not mean it is not there, most cars run harness bars for these kinds of tests for the same reasons they wear helmets.
A Harness bar is not going to add a noticeable amount of rigidity to the frame.
I'm done arguing with you, you run your mouth but offer no proof. You say GM said it was a roll bar but in every press release I have seen and after just searching their site all I see is Harness Bar, and a clear declaration that it is not a cage or roll bar.
You go on about looks which is opinion not fact, thank you for sharing yours, my opinion is different.
No one is making you buy the car, so why be so worried. You act like a baby rather than an adult who appreciates cars. Grow Up =)
No one is making you buy this car so why be so worried?? exactly ASSHOLE, except the fact that every one else does and move on.
Cage brace bar, does help stiffin the body, trying to say it doesn't is absolutely insane and uncalled for, noone in the automotive world would argue different!
The bar brace cage does not come stock, and this was not the Production model, so you CAN NOT buy this car, says GM in a article im sure you could find if you really wanted to, im guessing you dont.
What? i was just stating the facts that needed NO other comment and you come along bitching about theirs not a cage even though GM said their was, blahblahblah, fuck off if you dont like it and good luck changing the worlds opinion.
I was not trying to change anyones opinion, I openly acknowledged we have different ones and there will be others who may not like either of ours, something I said much before you claim I am trying to change yours.
What I am asking, you claim GM said it was a cage, where? when? source? because every press release on their site, and their responses to comments on their blog all say ROLL BAR.
All I am asking is for you to back up a single word you have said. It is what I asked in every comment.
All I am asking is to stop telling me your opinions because we know we do not agree there.
Instead show me where you got your facts. to be a fact there must be supporting evidence, all I am asking is for you to share with all of us where you found that evidence.
I have found nothing to state the springs were changed, not on GMs site, not in articles or press releases. I hve found forum posts that make the claim but that is all they do not offer resources either.
No opinions , just fact, its ugly is my opinion, yes, them using a bar brace cage to stiffin the body is not, that is a fact, them not admitting what it was for is not my fault.
Once again, how am i supposed remember EVERY article i read about cars?
Once again, this Cts-v was preproduction, so who knows what spring rates or shocks they used, being that it wasn't meant for the public they can use stiffer springs etc. without hearing people bitch about a stiffer ride.
WHAT! WHAT! WHAT! why do you keep assuming im talking about Video????
I have seen interior pics of some of these cars, INCLUDING THE AUDI, NO BARBRACECAGE was in the car,
why is the Cts-v the ONLY car people noticed having this barbracecage, why was theirs SOOO big and sturdy looking?
Why has not one other car been accused of using this? Why can you see this thing even from a FAR AWAY tiny picture, LET ALONE THE CLOSE UP PICTURE? WHY?
Ending this with it was not that large, and I know for a FACT BMW, FoMoCo, Toyota/Lexus and Nissan/Infinity use roll bars and harnesses on their track test cars. I know this because I have seen them and have friends in those companies.
As for the PreProduction that does not mean different it means before the production line was active. GM said they made no changes to the car, in fact what they openly said was the only difference from the car was roll bar, harness and seat.
It wasn't that large? yeah right, if you can see it from a small picture from far away, then it WAS that large, WHY have NONE of those other cars been seen with such a thing, WITH UP CLOSE INTERIOR PICTURES OF THE CARS AT THE ACTUAL RING????????? WHY?????
Since we're name dropping here, I know the owner of the Ring he said i was right, LOL!
INFACT, the car ran on different spring rates and who knows what else, YOU CAN NOT BUY THAT CAR LIKE THAT FROM THE DEALERSHIP.
As for the Zo6 or Zrnone, who knows? they did magically drop the Zrnone from low 7:40's to 7:26's and nobody ever questions that, but you know i guess they could have changed some things up and nobody would have known or will know, thats the beauty of the ring, you can cheat and NOBODY will ever know, unless you let a BIG BLOWN UP picture get out from a "SPY photog" of your interior, LMAO!!
Oh and then you cover for it by telling a bunch of DUMBASS mag editors or Internet show hosts " oh yeah we had a roll bar, but it was for safety ONLY and had NO effect on handling, because thats possible ROFL! and then the DUMBASS'S believed it, because their DUMBASS'S.
So where did you read GM said it was a cage because on their site they said it was a roll bar and in the press releases it claims roll bar.
As for not seeing it in other cars you barely notice it in this video. And even a roll bar is not going to stabilize the body that much, if you think it will then you need to speak to some people who actually race road courses.
What else is different, if I cannot buy it in that trim. There is no public official list and only speculation.
If you think it doesn't i suggest you speak to some people who actually race road courses.
What else is different? the spring rates were supposedly stiffer, along with the cage, brace bar etc. and who knows what else, all of these things have been noted and pointed out, no country but here has ever claimed this car stock or held any record.
I'm not arguing about them claiming a record I could give a shit about that. Records dont mean shit to me someone will always be faster, there will never be the same track conditions and it will continue forever.
As for the road racing I know people who race Grand Am Koni, NASA, SCCA Touring Car and SCCA GTand I myself have done quite a few laps around several of the east coasts road course tracks.
And yes it would have an effect but not one that is going to magically add a second or two to his lap time.
Give it up. You have no proof to any differences other than a roll bar that GM acknowledged
Where did GM say the spring rates were different, and if they were did they put better ones on the production car (they did improve the Z06 and ZR1 several times in pre-production). You don't know because you have no idea what is there now or was there then.
I'm not arguing time, have not from the beginning the Audi 6spd manual is faster than the Cady 6spd Auto, the Audi auto is slower than the Cady auto as they were tested.
I have found no articles that say the springs are different where did you see that?
Cage was never there the roll bar was many use them on road courses. You claim it was a cage where did GM say it was a cage? All of their releases say roll bar.
LOL!, sure it would, tenths of a second my ass, atleast 5-10 seconds for the whole course.
It would increase the kmh of each corner to bring the whole laps average speed up 1-3 kmh, 1-3 kmh can be as much as 10 seconds or more on the entire lap.
Its clear Gm never had the record in the first place, and then Porsche beat both Audi and Gm to make it matter even less.
And yes theirs a Cage clearly visible in spy Photos, which made Gm come clean about it.
I think either you are trying to argue or we just have very different opinions. If I am going to compare to cars, I am going to take both of them with right off the floor and see how they do. That said I would not personally compare an auto to a manual.
Price is an issue because the purpose of these runs are to convince people to buy the car, would you spend $60k more, about twice the price to run 3 seconds faster in a lap time in your street car. If so good for you but I would not.
NO! i wouldn't spend 60k more on the Porsche, its ugly as fuck, and i wouldn't buy it if it were 60k like this car, BUT! i wouldn't buy this thing either, its not ugly as fuck its just regular ugly, maybe if it were 1995 when this styling was popular but other than that, hell no, too many other cars that look SOOOooo much better and can be made to go as fast and faster than this Cts-v.
Remember, a cheaply made car will always be cheaper, even if its faster, and its not. SOoo...
See now you are getting into design and proving more to me that you are interested in arguing.
I prefer the styling of the Cadillac over that of the Audi, I think Audi's designs are just as over done and past their time as well and personally too muted to really ever stand out. You like the look of the Audi so buy it.
Liking the look is all opinion not fact.
As for cheaply made, the Cadillac isn't but it is all people who want to argue fall back on in the end.
LOL, im laughing because you are saying an OBVIOUSLY Fugly car is not Fugly, when comparing this to any other car in its class, it is OBVIOUS it is the red headed step child.
You're a Blind Gm loving Douche.
When did outdated 90's styling come back?... OH it HASN'T!
Have you seen what cars look like nowadays? then STFU!
your the red headed step child in this argument. most would agree with me, so STFU bitch. Im not replying after this so say whatever you want, but your still the dumbass.
LMAO! once again NO this car is ugly and you are a blind moron, most DO NOT agree with you stop living in denial.
And you have clearly, beyond the shadow of a doubt proved you are the blind dumbass douche of the pack.
Say what you want, but everything in its class is out selling it by leaps and bounds, SOOOOoo most actually agree with me, DUMBASS! only a dumbass would agree against whats actually happening LOL!
quit trying to cover up the facts bitch. I tuck a survey in a none biased area, they agreed with me, so you can suck it bitch! you dont know what the fuck your talking about bitch so go fuck yourself.
LAUGH MY MOTHER FUCKING HEAD OFF, you are a moron, if you ask ten Gm lovers if they like any GM car they will all say yes.
Once again the Survey has been done for you, no need to wastes everyones time, if everything in its class is outselling it, INCLUDING the MORE expensive models, then the people have spoken, we dont like it or care, kinda like the ZR1, and kinda like SSC Ultimate aero, its not selling so we dont care what it can do, give it up!
the CTS was inspired by the YF-22 Raptor...one of the most modern and highly advanced figher jets around currently..those are modern lines on that car
Nürburg is the city, Nürburgring is the track as a whole, with many different sets of tracks, and the Norschleife is a section of the track, the most challenging section of the Nürburgring.
Quite possibly the best all around car to ever come out of America. In terms of build quality, performance, comfort.
Feenyxxx95 6 months ago
@Feenyxxx95 Definitely the best car to come out of America next to the Corvette.
derbigpr500 3 months ago
Is that an automatic?
nitinj1234 8 months ago
@nitinj1234 Yup, according to Heinricy the auto version is faster than the manual. Personally, I'd rather the manual.
mdnky 7 months ago
proud owner of a V and an x road racer with SCCA - this is 1 amazing vehicle.
CADILLAC09V 10 months ago
plus i'll save quite a bit of money on this compared to the porsche panamera and that car looks rediculous in comparison to the rest of the porsche industry...would i drive it? hell yea haha
2bNIKEt1 1 year ago
standard shift? wtf? im pretty sure we would all agree that if it was a MANUAL it would be much faster than the automatic...gives the driver more control over the car and lets him pick the right gear...kindve like the shifting problems with paddle shifting aston martin vanquish or db9..just can never find the right gear
i still find those both amirable
2bNIKEt1 1 year ago
@2bNIKEt1 Guess you haven't watched a F1 race in a while or ever, F1 drivers don't seem to have a problem driving or finding the right gear in their F1 paddle shift cars. And the F1 cars are turning over 240mph on some track straightaways. If you live in the US you can check out F1 and paddle shifting yourself Oct, 10th on Speed Network 2am est.
dlfswi 1 year ago
WTF this car not even standard shift. This car didnt even beat the Porsche Panamera. Way better in germany duh!
orimabu 1 year ago
My old Cadillac was a 1971 Coupe DeVille. I don't think it would've done quite as well on the Nurburgring is the 2009 CTS-V! lol
quirpco 1 year ago
@quirpco yes my 68 coupe deville with 472ci"7.7 liter"wouldn't do this course as fast either! but at 60mp/h i could lean into the throttle and lite the tires up! so for that i thank you Cadillac! and so does my son as this is how his mother knew she wanted my seed!!! lmao, the cam from summit racing and the dual 950 dbl pumpers on the dual carb intake helped me achieve this.
GamesterX69 1 year ago
i swear i have never said this before. after reading the review of this car winning against the new BMW M-5 in every category and overall and seeing this car handle on the track i would consider this American car over the foreign.
aescoblaze03 1 year ago
@aescoblaze03 i drive alot and get 300,000 plus miles out of all my American made cars i buy while my friends buy jap cars and junk them before 100,000 miles do to engine failures, America started making good cars again in the 90's, why is everyone not paying attention?
GamesterX69 1 year ago
@GamesterX69 my father used to work for ford motor company. we have had Chevys, Pontiacs, Fords, etc.. and we have concluded and so have just about All the mechanics that i have talked to about american cars that, they don't come close to the overall quality of most foreign manufacturers such as Honda, Toyota. during a SpeedTV programming, a CEO from Chevrolet even admited the bankruptcy of Chevy was due to poor quality and loss of interest in their cars.
aescoblaze03 1 year ago
@aescoblaze03 tell them because they think that this car is better than m power ... but you know well !
radost0514 1 year ago
@aescoblaze03...Isn't that why toyota is going to be next for bankruptcy because of poor quality and lost interest in there cars, I mean come on...camery,corolla. Dosen't get worse than that. "Toyota, a smart way to keep moving backwards"
willsco76 1 year ago
whats so bad ass is that was in a sedan with an automatic. AMERICA FUCK YEAH COMIN AGAIN TO SAVE THE MOTHA FUCKIN DAY YEAH AMERICA!!!! SO LICK MY BUTT AND SUCK ON MY BALLS!!! AMERICAAAHHH!! FUCK YEAH!!
quacktackular 2 years ago
@quacktackular So how many laps did they have to drive to make this record? I'll bet money they didn't get it on the 1st try. I see GM is still wasting tons of money, just how much of the tax payers money did they spend taking a Cadillac to Nurburgring to make his record? OPM.
dlfswi 1 year ago
@dlfswi well they did come out with a record for a sedan,so it was money well spent.......so i don't see this a waste of money,in that case all var companies are losing money than.
heartboy86 1 year ago
@dlfswi
I love how little shitrods come out of the woodwork to bash GM. And wasting money? Last I checked moron every manufacturer in the world loses money on their top end sports cars. They're a niche market and their purpose is to ignite interest in their smaller cars. Why do you think Honda compares the Civic's and Accords to F1 Cars? It's how you make a name for yourself. You take a small loss for a bigger gain. Guess you really don't know as much as you thought you did.
8BALT 1 year ago
@8BALT
I drive an 18 year old Taurus SHO that has over 166k on it. Ford didn't take any US government loans and doesn't waste time and money trying to impress the upper class citizens with over priced cars. Last GM I owned was a 1982 Grand Prix that the engine ceased at 61k, so I don't have any love for GM that's true, but that doesn't change the fact that GM wasted taxpayers money doing this.
dlfswi 1 year ago
@dlfswi
My dad had a Pontiac Bonneville for over 16 years, my Mom had a Lumina for 13, both were over 180,000 klicks when they traded them. No major issues on either. My SS Turbo has been down the drag strip over 120 runs, gets driven spiritedly daily, tons of city and highway driving, three winters and two summers and 41,000 klicks. Not one single issue yet. We drove Cadilac DTS' at my last job. No issues. GM builds good cars. Ford and GM both. Stop being ignorant.
8BALT 1 year ago
@dlfswi
And your government has wasted your tax dollars on two pointless wars, golfing trips, etc, etc. And no GM didn't waste tax payers money. They built a high performance world record breaking Sedan to ignite interest in their smaller, less costly offerings. The only way to get tax payer money back is to spend it. Learn smart business my friend. Take the blue oval glasses off and stop being a prejudiced dickhead. All makers have had their problems.
8BALT 1 year ago
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chevroletfan17 1 year ago
@dlfswi I have a 1994 Chevy Silverado with 218,180 Miles on it and guess what no proplems, the engine that went out at 61K of yours you probably never checked the oil or changed any thing in there, you have to take care of it if you want it to last.
chevroletfan17 1 year ago
@chevroletfan17
nope your wrong on that guess, oil was changed every 2,500 miles and was maintained by my GM dealer. Turns out it was a bad engine design on their crummy aluminum block V-6 engine. I wasn't the only one across the country that had this problem with this engine.
dlfswi 1 year ago
@dlfswi A 1982 model is hardly a relevant comparison to the cars they are building today. I drive a '03 S10 with the little 2.2 that has 293,000 miles on it, all still original engine and drivetrain. I replaced the clutch at 210,000 and the only real problem was the pilot bushing was bad. That truck is a very low-tech, basic vehicle and it just keeps going, and going, and going...
justgonnastay 8 months ago
@dlfswi F-you. Your poin is so pointless that I won't even honor it with more than another, F-you.
STIRKDAWG 11 months ago
@STIRKDAWG really? It depends on what she looks like, but thx anyway. F..ing is the most pleasurable thing I know of so thx for thinking about me. :)
dlfswi 11 months ago
@dlfswi Huh?
STIRKDAWG 11 months ago
@dlfswi Had Gm not paid their loan back, your taxpayer whine would be valid. Since they have, stop crying about tax money you have no control over anyway. I wonder why its only americans who bash their own car brands over and over and over. It's no wonder the country is falling apart. The people in it that call themselves american don't even respect their own.
Feenyxxx95 6 months ago
& had a ride closer to the competition. So I think you're splitting hairs... Bottom line: the platform is very good & capable. I don't see how anyone can call this a "cheap" car. Show some respect.
j85968 2 years ago
Fact is, other brands put models out that can be rather jarring on rough pavement such as the AMG E class... an unrefinement for a luxury sport sedan. BTW: on the video, the ride didn't look bad on the rings less than perfect surface. Fact is the production CTS-V has a better ride than the competition, so even if what you say is true, they could have had a Euro spec verison & gone sitffer
j85968 2 years ago
Even if they adjusted spring rates, but didn't go w it since it was too stiff for the "public's liking" now does that take away? Because they did what the customer wanted... and to many, in the US market where it will mostly be sold, a smoother ride is important since roads can be very rough not ultra smooth like in Germany. If that wasn't the case it could have gone production... so it's not that it wasn't capable but rather a matter of preference.
j85968 2 years ago
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Cadillac is a weldare car company.
Cadillac CTS-V placed FOURTH in the latest CAR magazine comparo. This is with the same driver. A fair comparison, unlike the BS from Government Motors.
CTS-V lost and placed 4th in the latest CAR magazine comparo.
Merc E63-1.36.22
Mitsu EVO FQ400-1.36.44
Porsche Panamera Turbo-1.36.83
Caddy CTS-V-1.38.85
exBMRguy 2 years ago
@exBMRguy I guess you're saying Americans are the best drivers? To get such a "terrible" car as the cts-v down to under 8 minutes John Heinricy must be really good.
horses020 1 year ago
@horses020 this terrible car is the fastest product sedan to date, are you saying all cars suck?
GamesterX69 1 year ago
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@GamesterX69 You fail to understand sarcasm .
horses020 1 year ago
hahaha what a badass. Even puts the sun visor down
bruintilidie 2 years ago
Roll bar/brace/cages are not stock.
This was a pre-production model, meaning testing was done on spring rates, shocks and brakes that did not come on the later production model, multiple spring rates and other combinations were used in testing, the ones that posted the best times were not necessarly the ones that made it to production, they were too stiff for the public's liking.
How is this hard to understand for even the Dumbest and most hard headed of Youtube users?
mr2ya 2 years ago
Go drive your MR2 sissy fuck, this car holds its own against all the other rivals and beats them for less the price.
mkuroglu 2 years ago
A cheap car is always a cheap car.
Why dont call me a sissy to face bitchboy!
mr2ya 2 years ago
You cant buy this Cadi like this, you can buy the Audi like that, along with the Porsche, they held and hold the Record.
The End
mr2ya 2 years ago
Hasn't that Nissan sports can beat out the porches and audis?
free2game 2 years ago
Im not sure what you're saying, but the Nissan GTR has done 7:26 and yes thats faster than the Porsches and Audis, but we were talking about 4dr sedans not Sports cars.
mr2ya 2 years ago
Talking about the old skyline, the R34 and R33, those were both based on a passenger car, I don't understand what you mean by "you can't buy this" When it's just a high end production model. From the looks of it, you just don't like American cars.
free2game 2 years ago
If you would read the ENTIRE story about this car you would understand why you cant buy this car like this.
LOL, i like American cars that are nice, looked like they were designed in this era, some of the classics and some of the trucks.
How can you come to the stupid conclusion that I hate all American cars, from what ive said about this car.
mr2ya 2 years ago
This Caddy is an absolute BEAST and it has no doubt made its mark on this legandary track. I like the fact that they did no mods outside of factory trim for the run and I think it is also quite a beautiful car.
DJ100674 2 years ago 2
Nice lap, but....its a shame that this car lost all of his comfort just to break the record on nordschleife, you can see how hard and rough the suspension is, there isnt a moment where the car doesnt bump around heavily. If you watch some M5 video you will see that its much more comfortable and smooth.
derbigpr500 2 years ago
Actually it looks more like there is just a shitty mount on the inside center of the car. Notice it is fine on several angles and crap on others, someone just screwed up on the mounting.
I have driven this exact car, and though I do not know if they changed anything I will say I liked the performance from it much more than the M5 although the M5 had a much classier interior.
blasimatt 2 years ago
@derbigpr500 Could be a difference in the camera mounting or maybe an electronic vibration reduction within the camera.
justgonnastay 8 months ago
Nice! im getting faith again!
calimar28 3 years ago
Lap time ID: 458be5c49eae1
Car: 2005 Audi RS4 (B7) (309 kw)
Track: Nordschleife
Lap time: 7:58
Driven by: Frank Stippler
Submitter IP:
Date & time of submission: 22/12/06, 16:03:48
mr2ya 3 years ago
im confused, when was the time set and this is the nurburgring, not nordschleife or w/e lol. idk if it is another word for the track but i know unless it was just done its either modded or not the same track
EJS128 2 years ago
Yes, Nordschleife is the city's name i think, but im not sure, Nurburgring is the track, either name will do.
And yes this time is accurate and was done a few years before The latest CTSv time.
Yes it was stock, it had factory option tires, springs&shocks, All factory options, and yes it holds the record.
mr2ya 2 years ago
i looked it up, the lap time of the Audi was 8:09
EJS128 2 years ago
Actually so did i, that was the time copy and pasted, exactly as shown, why on gods green earth would i have posted it if it wasn't true?
Maybe you should check more reputable places.
mr2ya 2 years ago
The official time for the RS4 is 8:09.
The 7:58 time was run on R-compound tires and ceramic brakes. The car was not stock.
Gothicaleigh 2 years ago
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mr2ya 2 years ago
Yeah, the tires and brakes, as stated atleast 20 times, is on the Factory options list, making them perfectly STOCK, the 7:58 stands, oh wait it doesn't, the Porsche Panamera Turbo recently did a 7:56, too bad for GM once again. Hahaha!
mr2ya 2 years ago
The Panamera that ran the 7:56 was the $130k base priced Turbo version, which is great but really 3 sec for $60k+ more really is not worth it to me in a street car. An all out track car yes it would matter, every bit matters.
To the Audi argument, both times are correct. The 8:06 was the most recent done in 6/06 and the 7:58 in 10/05. If I remember correctly though the 7:58 was the manual so the fair comparison is the 8:06 as the car setups were both autos on sport mode.
blasimatt 2 years ago
Hmmm, the Correct comparison is between 4 dr sedans, man, auto has nothing to do with it.
The Porcshe was faster, price is not the issue.
The Audi used springs and tires from the option list to run the 7:58, the 8:06 had no options on it, man or auto.
mr2ya 2 years ago
The Cts-v Come to find out, was preproduction, had springs that weren't stock, and MOST of all the cage, people tried to say it was a seat belt harness and had no effect, GM said it was a CAGE for safety, you cant cage a car without making the frame stiffer, it doesn't work like that.
BTW, Roll cage's aren't on GM's factory option list and the car would have been slower without it.
mr2ya 2 years ago
There was no roll car it was a harness bar and every car runs them on the ring. They said was a roll bar for saftey and I ACTUALLY DRIVE THIS CAR at the Cadillac Performance Driving Experience on Monticello and it was still in there. It was NOT A CAGE.
GM Said it was a roll bar and not a cage, others were saying it because it was true. Most tracks like the ring require it for certain time classes.
blasimatt 2 years ago
Gm said it was a cage, cage or not it still braces the frame, this was a preproduction model NOT HOW YOU BUY IT FROM the dealership, you may drive this car, but you cant buy THIS car at the dealership, not in this trim.
mr2ya 2 years ago
Funny not many if any other cars are seen with this large brace, harness, cage etc. (INCLUDING THE AUDI!!!!!) it is what it is, it does what it does.
mr2ya 2 years ago
Just because you do not see it in a video does not mean it is not there, most cars run harness bars for these kinds of tests for the same reasons they wear helmets.
A Harness bar is not going to add a noticeable amount of rigidity to the frame.
blasimatt 2 years ago
I'm done arguing with you, you run your mouth but offer no proof. You say GM said it was a roll bar but in every press release I have seen and after just searching their site all I see is Harness Bar, and a clear declaration that it is not a cage or roll bar.
You go on about looks which is opinion not fact, thank you for sharing yours, my opinion is different.
No one is making you buy the car, so why be so worried. You act like a baby rather than an adult who appreciates cars. Grow Up =)
blasimatt 2 years ago
No one is making you buy this car so why be so worried?? exactly ASSHOLE, except the fact that every one else does and move on.
Cage brace bar, does help stiffin the body, trying to say it doesn't is absolutely insane and uncalled for, noone in the automotive world would argue different!
The bar brace cage does not come stock, and this was not the Production model, so you CAN NOT buy this car, says GM in a article im sure you could find if you really wanted to, im guessing you dont.
mr2ya 2 years ago
Grow up???
What? i was just stating the facts that needed NO other comment and you come along bitching about theirs not a cage even though GM said their was, blahblahblah, fuck off if you dont like it and good luck changing the worlds opinion.
mr2ya 2 years ago
I was not trying to change anyones opinion, I openly acknowledged we have different ones and there will be others who may not like either of ours, something I said much before you claim I am trying to change yours.
What I am asking, you claim GM said it was a cage, where? when? source? because every press release on their site, and their responses to comments on their blog all say ROLL BAR.
All I am asking is for you to back up a single word you have said. It is what I asked in every comment.
blasimatt 2 years ago
How on earth can i post every article i read, every mag, etc. every write up on the internet???
How is it so many others manage to read these things but people like you can never seem to find anything that goes against what you say or like.
Its out there, i dont just pull this shit from the sky, what would be the point of that?
One more time about the roll bar, you could see this thing from even far away, its obviously huge, especially if cant notice ANYONE elses.
mr2ya 2 years ago
And a 4dr woulld benefit more than a 2dr from this brace bar cage thing.
ask your SCCA etc. friends, they will tell you.
mr2ya 2 years ago
I agree a 4 door would benefit more than a 2 door that was not ever the point of discussion
blasimatt 2 years ago
All I am asking is to stop telling me your opinions because we know we do not agree there.
Instead show me where you got your facts. to be a fact there must be supporting evidence, all I am asking is for you to share with all of us where you found that evidence.
I have found nothing to state the springs were changed, not on GMs site, not in articles or press releases. I hve found forum posts that make the claim but that is all they do not offer resources either.
blasimatt 2 years ago
No opinions , just fact, its ugly is my opinion, yes, them using a bar brace cage to stiffin the body is not, that is a fact, them not admitting what it was for is not my fault.
Once again, how am i supposed remember EVERY article i read about cars?
Once again, this Cts-v was preproduction, so who knows what spring rates or shocks they used, being that it wasn't meant for the public they can use stiffer springs etc. without hearing people bitch about a stiffer ride.
mr2ya 2 years ago
What article, what mag tell me its that simple. car & Driver? Motortrend? Dupont? Modified? What site I'll look there. Asking thats all.
Its obviously not all over out there because I was not the only one asking the question if you look on some forums.
Is it my fault they place cameras on instead of behind roll bars?
If you wont tell me where there is no point. I'm done.
blasimatt 2 years ago
WHAT! WHAT! WHAT! why do you keep assuming im talking about Video????
I have seen interior pics of some of these cars, INCLUDING THE AUDI, NO BARBRACECAGE was in the car,
why is the Cts-v the ONLY car people noticed having this barbracecage, why was theirs SOOO big and sturdy looking?
Why has not one other car been accused of using this? Why can you see this thing even from a FAR AWAY tiny picture, LET ALONE THE CLOSE UP PICTURE? WHY?
mr2ya 2 years ago
Ending this with it was not that large, and I know for a FACT BMW, FoMoCo, Toyota/Lexus and Nissan/Infinity use roll bars and harnesses on their track test cars. I know this because I have seen them and have friends in those companies.
As for the PreProduction that does not mean different it means before the production line was active. GM said they made no changes to the car, in fact what they openly said was the only difference from the car was roll bar, harness and seat.
blasimatt 2 years ago
It wasn't that large? yeah right, if you can see it from a small picture from far away, then it WAS that large, WHY have NONE of those other cars been seen with such a thing, WITH UP CLOSE INTERIOR PICTURES OF THE CARS AT THE ACTUAL RING????????? WHY?????
Since we're name dropping here, I know the owner of the Ring he said i was right, LOL!
INFACT, the car ran on different spring rates and who knows what else, YOU CAN NOT BUY THAT CAR LIKE THAT FROM THE DEALERSHIP.
FACT!
mr2ya 2 years ago
As for the Zo6 or Zrnone, who knows? they did magically drop the Zrnone from low 7:40's to 7:26's and nobody ever questions that, but you know i guess they could have changed some things up and nobody would have known or will know, thats the beauty of the ring, you can cheat and NOBODY will ever know, unless you let a BIG BLOWN UP picture get out from a "SPY photog" of your interior, LMAO!!
mr2ya 2 years ago
Oh and then you cover for it by telling a bunch of DUMBASS mag editors or Internet show hosts " oh yeah we had a roll bar, but it was for safety ONLY and had NO effect on handling, because thats possible ROFL! and then the DUMBASS'S believed it, because their DUMBASS'S.
mr2ya 2 years ago
So where did you read GM said it was a cage because on their site they said it was a roll bar and in the press releases it claims roll bar.
As for not seeing it in other cars you barely notice it in this video. And even a roll bar is not going to stabilize the body that much, if you think it will then you need to speak to some people who actually race road courses.
What else is different, if I cannot buy it in that trim. There is no public official list and only speculation.
blasimatt 2 years ago
"not going to stabilize the body that much"???
If you think it doesn't i suggest you speak to some people who actually race road courses.
What else is different? the spring rates were supposedly stiffer, along with the cage, brace bar etc. and who knows what else, all of these things have been noted and pointed out, no country but here has ever claimed this car stock or held any record.
mr2ya 2 years ago
I'm not arguing about them claiming a record I could give a shit about that. Records dont mean shit to me someone will always be faster, there will never be the same track conditions and it will continue forever.
As for the road racing I know people who race Grand Am Koni, NASA, SCCA Touring Car and SCCA GTand I myself have done quite a few laps around several of the east coasts road course tracks.
blasimatt 2 years ago
"were supposedly stiffer" any proof?
And yes it would have an effect but not one that is going to magically add a second or two to his lap time.
Give it up. You have no proof to any differences other than a roll bar that GM acknowledged
Where did GM say the spring rates were different, and if they were did they put better ones on the production car (they did improve the Z06 and ZR1 several times in pre-production). You don't know because you have no idea what is there now or was there then.
blasimatt 2 years ago
Same article said all of this.
And this is what i've said to begin with, all facts.
Cadi had cage bar brace, thats not stock, had different springs, not stock, still slower had no record.
Audi was on optional tires, springs& shocks, came stock, Audi was always faster and better looking anyway.
Porsche though UGLY is faster than both.
mr2ya 2 years ago
The ugly thing again opinions are not facts.
I'm not arguing time, have not from the beginning the Audi 6spd manual is faster than the Cady 6spd Auto, the Audi auto is slower than the Cady auto as they were tested.
I have found no articles that say the springs are different where did you see that?
Cage was never there the roll bar was many use them on road courses. You claim it was a cage where did GM say it was a cage? All of their releases say roll bar.
blasimatt 2 years ago
I Have Pics of Some of the other cars up close! NO BAR, CAGE, BRACE ETC. Including the picture of the audi!
mr2ya 2 years ago
where? from the day they were on the track? the exact car the min after it came off the track?
Share them and I will gladly announce Audi did not use a 6pt harness while doing a high speed test on one of the toughest tracks in the world.
blasimatt 2 years ago
On my computer, im looking right at them, am i the only one that can use a search engine? Damn.
mr2ya 2 years ago
Not significantly though, even if there really was a cage it wouldn't take more then a few tenths off of the overall time.
vansoth 2 years ago
LOL!, sure it would, tenths of a second my ass, atleast 5-10 seconds for the whole course.
It would increase the kmh of each corner to bring the whole laps average speed up 1-3 kmh, 1-3 kmh can be as much as 10 seconds or more on the entire lap.
Its clear Gm never had the record in the first place, and then Porsche beat both Audi and Gm to make it matter even less.
And yes theirs a Cage clearly visible in spy Photos, which made Gm come clean about it.
mr2ya 2 years ago
They would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for those medaling Kids and their long distance Cameras.
Silly cheaters.
mr2ya 2 years ago
I think either you are trying to argue or we just have very different opinions. If I am going to compare to cars, I am going to take both of them with right off the floor and see how they do. That said I would not personally compare an auto to a manual.
Price is an issue because the purpose of these runs are to convince people to buy the car, would you spend $60k more, about twice the price to run 3 seconds faster in a lap time in your street car. If so good for you but I would not.
blasimatt 2 years ago
NO! i wouldn't spend 60k more on the Porsche, its ugly as fuck, and i wouldn't buy it if it were 60k like this car, BUT! i wouldn't buy this thing either, its not ugly as fuck its just regular ugly, maybe if it were 1995 when this styling was popular but other than that, hell no, too many other cars that look SOOOooo much better and can be made to go as fast and faster than this Cts-v.
Remember, a cheaply made car will always be cheaper, even if its faster, and its not. SOoo...
mr2ya 2 years ago
See now you are getting into design and proving more to me that you are interested in arguing.
I prefer the styling of the Cadillac over that of the Audi, I think Audi's designs are just as over done and past their time as well and personally too muted to really ever stand out. You like the look of the Audi so buy it.
Liking the look is all opinion not fact.
As for cheaply made, the Cadillac isn't but it is all people who want to argue fall back on in the end.
blasimatt 2 years ago
Your smoking something if you think the V is ugly...
xliver4 2 years ago
ROFL! you're from the 90's if you think the Cts-v looks current.
Please feel free to buy some glasses and maybe some taste well your there.
mr2ya 2 years ago
you have no clue what the fuck your talking about, and most people agree with me.
xliver4 2 years ago
LMAO! i can see, can you? you fucking moron nobody agrees with you, hang it up.
CTS-V = square box from the 90's, that would have looked good then but its not then its now, were on to rounded edges and flowing lines now.
mr2ya 2 years ago
lol ok dude. you can laugh, but your laughing by yourself. most people like the V.
your a fucking narrow minded prick.
xliver4 2 years ago
LOL, im laughing because you are saying an OBVIOUSLY Fugly car is not Fugly, when comparing this to any other car in its class, it is OBVIOUS it is the red headed step child.
You're a Blind Gm loving Douche.
When did outdated 90's styling come back?... OH it HASN'T!
Have you seen what cars look like nowadays? then STFU!
mr2ya 2 years ago
whatever bitch. Im done arguing.
your the red headed step child in this argument. most would agree with me, so STFU bitch. Im not replying after this so say whatever you want, but your still the dumbass.
xliver4 2 years ago
LMAO! once again NO this car is ugly and you are a blind moron, most DO NOT agree with you stop living in denial.
And you have clearly, beyond the shadow of a doubt proved you are the blind dumbass douche of the pack.
Say what you want, but everything in its class is out selling it by leaps and bounds, SOOOOoo most actually agree with me, DUMBASS! only a dumbass would agree against whats actually happening LOL!
mr2ya 2 years ago
lol whatever dude. i bet if you take a survey most would agree with me. you dont know what the fuck your talking about bitch.
xliver4 2 years ago
LOL rere, you dont need a survey, i already told you everything in its class is outselling it, we have spoken.
mr2ya 2 years ago
You dont know what the fuck you're talking about bitch.
Stick with your 90's right angle straight design, well the rest of us choose curvey smooth sexy lines, you know.. the shit that looks current. LOL!
mr2ya 2 years ago
lol i already took a survey online. Not to many people replied, but most agreed with me this is what the people who replied said:
"god i love Cadillacs"
"looks expensive, wouldnt want something to happen to it"
"definitely a rival to German super-sedans"
looks like people agree with me bitch
xliver4 2 years ago
Sorry MORON, if people dont buy the car, that means they agree with me BITCH!
mr2ya 2 years ago
quit trying to cover up the facts bitch. I tuck a survey in a none biased area, they agreed with me, so you can suck it bitch! you dont know what the fuck your talking about bitch so go fuck yourself.
xliver4 2 years ago
and if you look at the sales chart, the CTS-V does outsell other cars in its class bitch.
xliver4 2 years ago
LOL!.. nah, not really bitch.
mr2ya 2 years ago
hahaha i bumped it back to the top and the numbers agreeing with me got even bigger.
8 people agreed that the car looks nice, 2 did not.
xliver4 2 years ago
LAUGH MY MOTHER FUCKING HEAD OFF, you are a moron, if you ask ten Gm lovers if they like any GM car they will all say yes.
Once again the Survey has been done for you, no need to wastes everyones time, if everything in its class is outselling it, INCLUDING the MORE expensive models, then the people have spoken, we dont like it or care, kinda like the ZR1, and kinda like SSC Ultimate aero, its not selling so we dont care what it can do, give it up!
the people have spoken.
mr2ya 2 years ago
the CTS was inspired by the YF-22 Raptor...one of the most modern and highly advanced figher jets around currently..those are modern lines on that car
racerxxx12 2 years ago
actually you're wrong. the CTS was not inspired by the raptor, the evoq/cien concepts' designs were based in part from the YF-22's. so you suck
quacktackular 2 years ago
duely noted. seeing as how the cien and cts both look similiar, one could logically say the cts was in fact indirectly inspired by the YF-22
racerxxx12 2 years ago
Thank you, but this guy is a stubborn bastard so don't even bother trying to argue with him, but i'm glad somebody has some sense lol
EJS128 2 years ago
Nürburg is the city, Nürburgring is the track as a whole, with many different sets of tracks, and the Norschleife is a section of the track, the most challenging section of the Nürburgring.
quadturborx8 2 years ago
Oooh, ok gotcha, thanks for clearing that up.
mr2ya 2 years ago