i have no knives. instead i took a letter opener with shells around it and i then enchanted it to be slightly stronger with some evil spirits bound at the grip. for power.
@MrLoudmouthspeaker if magic is prohibited in the bible, would you care to tell us why the ORIGINAL Christians, the Gnostics, (as well as Moses, Aaron, and others in the OT) practiced it? Besides, the Biblical prohibitions against magic were directed toward the Israelites. We're not from Israel, therefore your whole belief system does not apply to us; rather, Rome decided to FORCE the worship of an alien Middle Eastern god onto Europe. That's when things got ugly and corrupt
@DrGiggles68 yes people chose to do the wrong thing a practice the ocult during biblical times... thats no surprise there.. but you be aware that God also punished them for it too. yes the RCC did cause numerious deaths and much destruction.. they have alot to answer for
Does it matter If there's proof of a Deity existing? If a Wicca wants to do witchcraft, why can't others let them be? And if a Christian enjoys and wants to read the bible, then why not let them? Can it really do so much harm to let people have choices and opinions?!
By the way don't judge me I'm 13 and I don't know everything. :) just my opinion.
Every video about Wicca up on YouTube as SOME negative comments!? how sad. If you're not Wiccan than why do you watch/comment on the videos? Insulting peoples ways is NOT the way to spend your life. Live out your live the way you want and leave us to live ours. Blessed be! )O(
@MrLoudmouthspeaker and just exactly what do you think all those high priests mentioned in the bible were doing behind closed doors in the secret chambers of their temples if not ceremonial magic?
@ThePwnisher777 if you were smart you know that any form of magic is forbidden.. from a biblical sence.. but that of course doesnt stop people from doing their own thing.. we seen the results of that were God killed numerious ocult worshipers
@MrLoudmouthspeaker true. But then again, so would a bunch of roaring drunks. It takes intense concentration to do firewalking and a bunch of people babbling can break that concentration. BUT I have yet to see a group of praying people stop a rock concert or gay pride parade LOL and ceremonial magic (The Lemegeton, Abramelin, etc) & kabbalah are esoteric Judeo-Christian mystical practices. So much for your "devil worship" angle.
@JaceaRise privy to ocult practices... what... when you have dabled.. when your family went to a satanic church.. yes i guess.. you get to know and experince things.
@MrLoudmouthspeaker and yet, you still havent told us he name of this satanic church. how convenient.
almost as convenient as the fact that you still have not as yet replied to me about my comment. i guess ignorance is bliss, but it does not look any better if you straight up refuse to comment- i suppose that sums up your argument, eh? have a happy yule, loudmouth. i'd expect more from a real pentecost.
@dawiccaman wether i mention the name of the church or not it doesnt matter you wouldnt know the location anyway.. but again how would you recognize a true penticostal born again spirit filled christian anyway.. does your wiccan group have a hint book of what every christian is supposed to look like and act.. LOL
@MrLoudmouthspeaker well, no. but we do know a bit more about pentecost than you do. i mean, pentecost- dont worship jesus, yet you mention him constantly as the son of god. see how confusing it is when your church says one thing, yet you say another?
and when, pray tell, did i tell you what you were supposed to look like?
@dawiccaman i see you dont know what you are talking about - you are confused about what penticost was, what took place and what it meant for the church.. and how it all relates to Jesus...
you were mentioning what penticostals were supposed to look like or do
@MrLoudmouthspeaker again, when did i say what you were supposed to loom like? show me where exactly i said you had to look like this. as for your actions, i merely refer to the actions your religion says you must do. and by the waay, my study comes from church members, higher-ups and generally more important people from you. something tells me it's not me who does not know what i'm talking about.
@MrLoudmouthspeaker *facepalm* lol. i thought you accused me of selective hearing. shows how much youv'e been listening, anyway, going so far off topic for no reason you forgot the topic.
the question should be somewhere below, before you started ranting intruthfully about my amazing nonexistant comments about your image. let's see how good you are at finding information, shall we?
@ThePwnisher777 oh really.. if you really did any of those things then you would know i am right about the ocult, wicca, witchcraft.. the source of spiritual power ect... i am not surprised.. most people like would never expose the truth of the ocult at any level
you would know that christians praying can stop fire walkers from doing their practices... true or false...
@MrLoudmouthspeaker that's what christianity teaches about soul power. However, The Christian Corporation has a HUGE financial interest in keeping people powerless. Nonono they can't have any self-empowered people running around being spiritually free because they don't make any money off of them!!
@TheSpauldingEffect keeping people powerless... you are seriously on the wrong page.. the ocult/ witchcraft/ wicca is no game.. the church isnt keeping people away from these things because of money...
@MrLoudmouthspeaker if you knew about this soul power as you claim you would know that with proper training you CAN control it. Sounds more like you're just parroting something you read in some anti-Wicca propaganda literture
@ThePwnisher777 any yoga teacher, cult leader or who ever will play you along.. they will state that after years of training and meditation you will eventually gain high levels of control.. but in reality this so called mastering of the inner power will lead you in to serious arm..
& no - no anit wicca propaganda.. what i have shown comes from wicca its self... der
@MrLoudmouthspeaker aha! NOW we're getting somewhere!! This is the TRUE purpose of Christianity: to strip you of your mind and soul power (that by your own admission God gave us!) and turn people into easily controlled rank and file bobblehead spiritual slaves who cannot think for themselves and hate & harass those who can. Thank you for showing us! :)
@ThePwnisher777 actually No the latent power of the soul is a very dangerious source of power.. it leads to destruction... paganism ocult or any other label you give it is a dangerious game... the spiritual power doesnt exsist for your beck and call... its not there to serve you... it will rope you in..
@MrLoudmouthspeaker and though modern Wicca is based on those older religions and customs it has grown and changed over time; and so has modern Christianity in case you haven't noticed
@MrLoudmouthspeaker well, first and foremost look in your own Bible! Our practices and customs are mentioned (and prohibited) in it; so why would it be mentioned if it didn't exist, and why would it be such a threat to their fascist social order if it wasn't real? It simply wasn't NAMED Wicca until modern times. The Roman historians and scribes recorded all manner of religions and customs from all the lands they conquered--the roots of modern Wicca.
@ThePwnisher777 what you are talking about is actually called the latent power of the soul.. there is a " spiritual " power which is know as a fallen or prohibitied power.. in short its a dangerious humanistic power... this is the power that God forbides us to use.. the reason why the latent power of the soul is forbidden is that it is dangerious and leads to destruction..
in short we are told to rely on God where the latent power of the soul gives instant gratification of the flesh..
@MrLoudmoutgspeaker ALL religions were made up at some point and just what really makes you think your pack of myths and superstitions is so much better than anybody else's? (besides your egotism and chauvinism, of course)
@ThePwnisher777 our pack of myths and superstitions as you call them have been recorded in the bible... the bible contains numerious evidences within its pages that can be verfified by both religious and non relgious sources... you can find what the bible talks about...
unlike wicca .. which relies on what exaclty... what does wicca have as proof... what can you show me that proves wicca is truth..
@MrLoudmouthspeaker I haven't even begun to divulge the extent of my knowledge of this subject. I just showed you that their beliefs, practices, and deities existed LONG before Christianity and that Gerald Gardner didn't just "make it all up in the 1950's" as so many of you bible-thumpers keep claiming
@ThePwnisher777 wicca known in many forms dates back many years.. wicca has woven its self into many forms and practices... many people are drawn into wicca without know the full extent of what lays at the heart of wicca
most have no idea.. most just like the ceremonies because they are cool and they get to dress us am i right
@mrloudmouthspeaker besides, it's rich your telling me that im unsure about my religion, that i should find out about it, considering you told trandomphatguy to find information on your cult on the website he was already pulling it off.
@dawiccaman trand hasnt been pulling any information off.. and its not a cult.. as you would think it is... from what you tell me you havnt shed any light on the subjects i have touched on... is that because you dont know about the subjects ?? you cant explain them...
you dont come across as one that knows alot about teachings beleifs tradtions and practices..
@MrLoudmouthspeaker oh, no, i don't know much about your little cult. but trandom has been doing his homework. really thorough homework. i think someone's uncomfortable.
tell you what, talking of not sharing information- i asked you a question yesterday, and you ignored it! have you, or have you not, heard of god particles?
@MrLoudmouthspeaker god's particles is pretty much the particles, such as higgs bosons particles, that gives everything a weight- a mass. it makes it a physical thing. but no scientist knows where it comes from, what it looks like, and wev'e only just proven it exists- and even then! the point still remains, there are not a lot of gaps in what we n=know of matter and the universe, but this, the most crucial, almost definetely exists. and, of course, since it gives everything a being...
@dawiccaman so whats your point...are you trying to say that there is evolution... so tell me what happened a second before the big bang... where did the energy come from..
@MrLoudmouthspeaker my point is, the beleifs of wicca are scientifically possible. you asked me to prove wicca scientifically- something we could never do with your god- and i obliged.
@dawiccaman the power of the soul is a forbiden dangerious power.. we are forbbiden to use it because of the dangers it leads to// you cant control it.. wicca isnt totally scientific it is a blend of the religious practices with some scientific input...
well we are told to rely on God for our source of power and authority where you as a wiccan short cuts this aiming to please your self and seek your own way and path...wicca is humanistic at its core..
@MrLoudmouthspeaker whatever. the truth is, your stalling now. i just proved how wicca can be explained using science, yet instead of countering with how your god can, you revert back to preacher mode. please. your'e quite litealy stalling fo time.
@dawiccaman you cant explain or measure spiritual power... you can only see the results of it.... tell me how are you going to measure the so called power of spell... through sicence... stalling for time... why...
as i have said there is two sides ... Godly power and satanic power... do you simply believe that spiritual power exsists for your pleasure....
@MrLoudmouthspeaker what is known, though, is that using the 3d shoebox theory- there are little universes in particles, created by stressful amounts of energy- we can summarise that, if every particle, matter and proton have a mini unverse created of energy, there should be a lot of energy going around. what sets higgs bosons and god particles aside, is that they give things weight instead of energy.
@MrLoudmouthspeaker stephen hawking does a wonderful job of explaining the big bang. he even manages to explain what caused it. so i won't be answere=ing an answered question- you can go look it up.
@MrLoudmouthspeaker so, basically, as crazy as it sounds, wer'e being held together by particles that control our weight- and therefore our gravity, our density, other things vital for living on this planet- it's no wonder they call them god particles! but, of course, they make up you. theyre your particles, giving you weight, and tiny amounts of energy- not a lot from one particle, but you have billions of trillions making up your body, releasing energy and mass.
@MrLoudmouthspeaker -when you take out the matter, your left with it's reality imprint in the place it used to be- the anti-matter. the mini-universe theory also has antimatter as being mini universe of pure energy. but, as any scientist will tell you, excess energy can lead to explosins and stuff, so other particles and matter can't have all this anti-matter floating around. it's theorized it's swallowed into the weight of the object- what gives an object weight, again?
@MrLoudmouthspeaker basically, a butterfly flaps it's wings, using energy, displacing particles, creating antimatter and having it swallowd by its own weight. then the matter displaced by the wind will cause more exess energy and weight-swallowed antimatter, making it more violent, which displaces more and more wind, eventually passing over just the right current and becoming a hurricane.
but whats important is the weight swallowing energy part.
@MrLoudmouthspeaker see, weight is not transferred by energy. god particles can absorb the energy, but can't use it. it's known that god particles give us weight and have an energy. so what do they do with that energy?
scientists reckon god particles may be the only particles to have a form of sentience.
@MrLoudmouthspeaker oh, and i said earlier about the particles being exclusive to you- that is, but not entirely, true. the ones which make up you are yours, but also interract with other particles, giving off energy, which causes things to happen. not only that- scientists reckon that sound reverbrations could give off an imprint on the god particles, or thought waves- of coure, your god particles would absorb the imprint of your thought waves, and start to know you.
@MrLoudmouthspeaker so, congractulations! there is a god! well- not really a benevolent,, imniscient, imnipotent one, but it is, technically, omnipresent. oh, and it cant do everything, it is a particle so its bound by the law of the universe- but certainly an impront of what you think is god can actually listen to you and help you via an elaborate chinese whisper/peking effect technique in order to affect energy. oh, and theyre personal imprints of you- it could be possible to control them-
wait, iv'e heard that before. using the mind to control energy which little by little affects the flow of the univrese while keeping everything in balance... using rituals to clear the mind so as to control this energy... sounds like something iv'e heard before.
@dawiccaman mind control... oh ok.. nuts and bolts.. so seriously how can the mind affect the flow of the universe... i guess you beleive the stars influence your life as well... & yes new age and wiccian in practice and beleif... funny how all these groups borrow the same beliefs... its abit like astral travel and re incarnation
@MrLoudmouthspeaker iv'e already explained how this works. do you shut off when you don't like what your hearing or do you simply have "internet troubles" again?
@MrLoudmouthspeaker der? me? re-read the point made. i wasnt insulting the time zone difference, i was asking wether you listen to the parts of the other argument that don't suit you. clearly, you just answered my question for me.
@MrLoudmouthspeaker another thing you fail to mention is that when the Romans conquered various lands they had historians and scribes record the religious and cultural practices of these areas and therefore there is in fact LOTS of evidence of pre-Christian paganism if you know where to look. If you were as educated as you PRETEND to be you'd already know that, pinhead!
now, unlike some, i like to warn people before i suddenly go silent for a bit. i'm staying at a b&b tonight, and they dont have reception, sso this will be my last message today. clearly, youv'e just proven again your mind boggling ignorance when it comes to every kind of faith, including your own. i hope for your sake your argument picks up tomorrow.
@MrLoudmouthspeaker Wicca is full of fairy tales and the bible isn't? Unicorns, dragons, men being regurgitated by whales, seas parting for heroes, burning bushes gifted with the spoken word... OBVIOUSLY the Bible is legit. NOT.
@JaceaRise you fail to understand the obvious... the God of the jews has been recorded by both believers and non believers... the bible has stood the test of time.. the bible has proven its self unlike wicca which has no credible source of history... tell me how are you going to prove to me that wicca is a true belief system... what is evidence..
@trandomphatguy you have to look at the two sides of the coin.. one side you have God and His power, authority and interaction with mankind... v's the wiccian man made beliefs and tradtions or spirituality mixed with science and new age beliefs...
you see thats the difference.. you are comparing Gods authority with wiccas understanding.. thats the problem.. you think that what ever God does is no different from the newage power of wicca
@MrLoudmouthspeaker wait. so on one side, science, positive magic and just basichappiness... versus a made up beardy weirdy who demands mumblings of praise and kin-murdering.
if i'm comparing god to wicca, then iv'e won already. your beleif is that god controls all. thing is, god does not exist in the sence you want him to. the basis of your argument is flawed.
@trandomphatguy not at all... the bibles records clearly show us how God had realted to mankind from the early jewish times until present... we can see from the bible who God has blessed and judged mankind.. God = morals, justice, rightiousness.. what does wicca equal...nothing? a free for all with no consequences..
science proves God... wicca worships the great god/ godesses... tell me whats the difference
@MrLoudmouthspeaker "The Bible has stood the test of time... The Bible has proven itself unlike Wicca..." Firstly, it's WITHstood. Secondly, shut your mouth and learn your facts, fairy boy. The bible has unicorns in it. Obviously a credible source, right? NOT.
@JaceaRise unicorns now thats funny... one shouldnt point the finger to quickly LOL... you should take a serious look at the origins of wicca...seems some one is getting hot under the collar
@MrLoudmouthspeaker Hot under the collar? Not at all. And of course Wicca deals with the supernatural. That's what it's BASED on. You make it sound like Christianity is any different. It isn't. Christianity was based largely on Paganism. That's why the unicorns and talking plants are there.
@JaceaRise from your perspective which is based on numerious myths gods and goddesses one can think that the subject of God is simply a copy of pagan beliefs... You fail to realise that pagan wicca has no credible source of history unlike the bible and the jews for example they are real people, names and places.. how can you prove that any of the gods/ goddesses in wicca are true
@MrLoudmouthspeaker Look, I don't pretend to know anything about the universe. That's why I'm Pagan-Atheist. I don't like to think that I'm privvy to special knowledge of the universe. I can't stand to be that pretentious. And Paganism was practiced all over the place before monotheism came along, and even then Christianity had to adopt Pagan ideas to get the Pagans on board.
@JaceaRise why is it that wiccans dont explain their rituals, spells tradtions and their numerious gods... does the lack of explaination prove that you know more then what you are telling
@MrLoudmouthspeaker what ar you talking about? it's clearly public information, we just don't go shouting our mouths off about it. as i said- if you ask, i will answer. i'm not going to spin off on a random tangent for my own sake, i'm not you.
@MrLoudmouthspeaker Ok, allow me to enlighten you, then. I'm a pagan-atheist. No gods for me. I don't do spells, and my rituals consist of circle casting on Yule, Ostara, Litha, and Mabon. Once I'm old enough that a coven will take me in, there'll be more.
@MrLoudmouthspeaker to explain the rest, i'm going to have to explain the imprint theory and the peking theory. peking theory, is if a butterfly flaps it's wings in los angeles, then, with the right wind currents, about 1-10 years later, there' a hurricane in peking. imprint theory? we get our energy from food, which contains particles, which naturally would also mean god particles. which get recycled into the body, and get used up as energy. imprint is the idea of antimatter-
@dawiccaman not all, rediculious indeed... if you are brining up harry potter then you are obviously mentioning the magick of harry potter... as a true wiccan.. you would obviously declare that spells ect are true... i would that you would deny the power of witchcraft...
it was an example. low blow insults about a choice of books mean nothing. your argument was "the bible must be true, because it mentions real places" and by that logic, the zombie survival guide is true. the hunchback of notredamne is true. robin hood is true. see, i dont need one book to tell me your wrong. but one book is all you have.
@dawiccaman there are many aspects of the bible which proves its contents are accepted..the bible gives us the past and future events that are unfolding now.. tell me what other book does that... can wicca predict the future...inregards to time and place... that one book.. reveals the future unlike any other book... how can you match that...
can robin hood predict the future.. can the zombie book predict the future..
@MrLoudmouthspeaker no. neither can the bible, apparently. probaby the same place you learned about your religion- the internet- contains thousands of plausible reasons for these "predictions".
@dawiccaman plausible reasons... for revealing the future... oh really.. it must be a billion to one that the bible has gotten the future prophecies right.. tell me what are the plausible reasons ...
@JaceaRise hey, you made it! yeah, as you can see, he's still here. but he's getting more and more out of his depth, proving himself wrong and suchforth. basically, he's got no clue of his own religion, and each sentence makes his knowledge of wicca look more and more... copy and pasted. shouldnt be too long now.
@dawiccaman out of my depth.. it would seem that you are the one that isnt aware of what early wicca taught about creation..surly you should be able to reveal some of the stories
@MrLoudmouthspeaker your fate number is the number your date of birth adds up to. not that hard to learn. maybe now you can tell me about the body aand blood of your christ.
@trandomphatguy what i have about wicca fate is far deeper then what you have been told... the catholic church believes that during the mass the waffer and wine actually turns into the physical forms of real flesh and blood.. the RCC dogma teaches that in order for catholics to receive jesus they must attend every mass.. not to go to mass is a mortal sin
@MrLoudmouthspeaker what you have been told about wicca is as much bollocksas what you were told about pentecost. clearly, your running out of things to say- obviously a denial thing.
@trandomphatguy bollocksas... geepers seems you know nothing about the origins and early beliefs of wicca... tell me how long have you been a wiccian.. seems you know very little - what do you know about - Mem, Shin & aleph - tell me the name of the great mother godess is... do you know... i do...
what can you tell me about the syrian triad seems you are out of your depth in all this
@trandomphatguy you havnt given any credible evidence to any tradtion, practice,spell or origin of any of the numerious wiccan gods for that matter...
@MrLoudmouthspeaker well, if your not going to answer my questions, i don't suppose that shows much for your own argument. four simple questions- and your asking stupid, proven questions such as these. yeah, no, your in charge, no doubt.
@dawiccaman who said i was in charge of anything... i am telling you what wicca believes and practices... if you are unsure about what wicca believes then you should find out..
@MrLoudmouthspeaker you mean, your telling me your beleifs on wicca beleifs. judging by your pentecost beleifs, i'm inclined not to beleive your beleifs on our beleifs. and thank you for your concern, but im fully comfortable and definitely sure about what wicca beleives. projection, much?
@dawiccaman actually i am comparing the wiccan belief system with the authority of Gods Word... you would agree that there is only one truth.. one path to God... wicca is a man made religion which was created to compete with Gods truth and authority... man chooses to go his own way
if you are comfortable then you must know and accept 100% what wicca teaches
and that's why i'm refuting your beleifs about wicca. see, the fact i'm comfortable with wiccan teachings, is the reason i'm not comfortable with yur ramblings. and no. i would not agree there is one path to truth. do you understand that not everyone shares your view? is it a medical condition you judge everyone by your own standards?
@dawiccaman yes you can be comfortable with wicca and what it tells you ..you can find security in it...many hate the view that there is only one path to God.. unlike other religions including new age beleifs...which promote the idea that all roads lead to the same God is wrong.... a rightious God cant be double minded in how people come to worship Him
man creates many roads to God because that cant handle Gods rightious standards the bible states that many will try their own ways and fail
@MrLoudmouthspeaker i'll let you and trandom ask those questions between yourselves, although it's quite obvious by your statement you know nothing of wiccan gods. stop avoiding the questions. why drugs, why posession, why tongues, why space?
@trandomphatguy Yes tell me how many little gods does wicca actually have.. do you know... do you have any idea... like i have said .. is there 20, 30, 40 little gods... why dont you be honest and list a few names for me... or do you want me to list a few names - i do have an extensive list...
why dont you tell me about the 3 sons of carman - dub ( darkness), dother ( evil ) and dian ( voilence) surly you know about this
@trandomphatguy wicca.. is as real as you want it to be... if you like lots and lots of fantast it would make perfect sence.... after all when you look at wicca and creation of the earth and sun.. seriously ...maybe you can explain the 3 sons of carmen or you could explain why the 3 circles cross over and what they mean... its also interesting to see how wicca views the biblical flood
now, you are quite right. my time zone is currently 1:17 in the morning with a g.c.s.e mock tomorrow afternoon, so your lucky to have caught me before bed. however, just because iv'e replied now, doesent mean you can expect an answer before 2 oclock tomorrow, this time zone. no point in accusing me of cowardice, not that i could say the same about a certain baptist i'm currently typing to...
@MrLoudmouthspeaker usually, i'd rather enjoy the feeling of knowing the argument was so one-sided the other side just stops sending messages, basically proving my right in the subject. but at this particular argument i feel like i should let you know, if you don't reply that's how i'll take it- and i will be sending the information on to trandomphatguy. now, i beleive i sent you a message you have not replied to yet...
@trandomphatguy certain baptist... now thats funny.. you think the bible and the christian god is fanciful.. geepers... have you ever looked seriously at wicca ...it has 100% fantasy... its plot beats any best seller fantasy films yet... all the gods.. creation.. of the sun.. winter and summer....
@MrLoudmouthspeaker and your proof of these statements, has so far led to a few bible passages, a few more statements, and the fanciful claim you used to be a pagan (and, to your own admittance, not even a wiccan one). not very concrete evidence for a religion made of sand. it doesen't even look like the founding of your own faith, was completely... saintlike...
@trandomphatguy i dont know your time zones so of course my comments will be late but think that its a cop out ... what you should talk about is - thanking the 4 quaters or better yet explain the fair tale..
creation in seperation... this should be good bed time reading...
@trandomphatguy racism... what racism are you talking about... dont you like wicca opened up... tell me about this supposed godess demeter .. i also read that the sky and the earth turn to their mother darkness for advice.. tell me why your mother is darkness....
it all seems like an oxymoron doesnt it.... double duch.... nonsence...
@wiccabemyfaith no not at all... many people claim to be wiccian.. but dont have a clue what wicca is all about.. its like the two clowns here they think they know about wicca but cant explain what is at the source of wicca..
@MrLoudmouthspeaker looking down through the comments, i don't think theyre being themdumb (or stupid? i wasnt aware there was a difference) ones. so, go on then, what is at the source of wicca?
(any mention of satan or the illuminati will really not look good on your own intelligence.)
@MrLoudmouthspeaker alright, fine. without using the words "illuminati" "gay" and "trendy, explian- oh, and "satan", explain what you reckon is at the source of wicca.
@trandomphatguy wicca was created to suck people into some " so called religion " that is based on the natural elements..add some "great controling spirit " lots of trinkets and ceremonies.. and hey presto... there you have wicca... a religion based on planet earth and all things natural..but with a slice of supernatural little gods/ goddess for good measure..
all that should appease peoples searching...give them hope.. but sorry allas its fake
@MrLoudmouthspeaker or "wiccia" as you seem to think it's called (you called me on my spelling mistake, claiming that it's the sole judger of my argument, so now we'll do the same).
could you guys take your arguments elsewhere, please? some of us are trying to watch the video, i don't need to stare at hate speech. i'm proud to be a wiccan, and i'm sick of christians like this too, but seriously, just personal message each other.
@wiccabemyfaith its ok we have been here for ages dont mind us = we or i should say I am stripping of the core beleifs off wicca and am exposing it for what it truly is
just want to say, i'm an atheist, but wicca is really the only religion that seems to make any sense. definitely more than "support what i think or go to hell" christians. they don't make any sense whatsoever, and i challenge anyone to prove me wrong, because they can't, because its the truth. wiccan over christian any day.
@mynameneedsnoname ...nice that you support wicca and everything, but it doesnt look as if your doing it for the right reasons. wer'e not some group created in order to basically stick a proverbial finger up at christianity, wer'e simply a religion trying to get on with our own lives in peace, and for some reason that offends christians, like mrloudmouthspeaker, a little further down this page. seriously, dont support wicca as a way of getting to christains.
@mynameneedsnoname so you dont believe in God.. but then you say wicca seems to make the only sense... picking and choosing what ever takes your fancy isnt a good bases to use is it
@MrLoudmouthspeaker heh... well, you cant even use your internet as an excuse now. i guess there's no arguing with the obvious, so you choose to ignore.
@trandomphatguy anyway.. wicca is a religion based on science after all.... when you look at the practices.. all life is sacred...especially when you look at the - inviting the four quarters.. you know facing each direction.. saying a few special words
@MrLoudmouthspeaker ....i'm thick....or stupid? what's the difference... anyway, so wicca is a blend of science and religion, because other wise it would be crap, and so you admit it's not.
@trandomphatguy wicca is a sly so called religion..it uses elements of earth wind fire and air and it also mixes it with subtle new ages practices ( which uses the power of the mind to achieve the results)..
for proof of this i can point out the "cone of power and the circle " wicca blends the phyiscal aspects with its trinkets and rituals with the power of the mind... you cant deny that
@MrLoudmouthspeaker im sorry, i thought the term was "wiccia" now. and anyway, at least "wiccians" are recognized as a religion, but, before you embarrass yourself on this topic... again... my answer to your other question can be found in my answer above.
@trandomphatguy so what if wicca is recognized... is that supposed to justify its practices... seriously... & i doubt you would explain any new information on what i have been stating about wicca
@trandomphatguy no you havnt explained anything in any great length what so ever... and better why you believe the nonsence as well... or do you simply skim over it all
@MrLoudmouthspeaker apparently you have, you can clearly see wev'e answered your questions. if you want detail, i'll send you a personal message, so i dont have to do it in 500 characters. at any rate, iv'e explained more about mine, you havent explained yours at all- probably because you don't know.
i have no knives. instead i took a letter opener with shells around it and i then enchanted it to be slightly stronger with some evil spirits bound at the grip. for power.
OverseerThe 1 day ago
Heres an idea, how 'bout you grab that knife and you stick it up your ass ya stupid wiccan
TheRatskinz101 1 week ago
@TheRatskinz101 are you an atheist?
mynameneedsnoname 1 week ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker if magic is prohibited in the bible, would you care to tell us why the ORIGINAL Christians, the Gnostics, (as well as Moses, Aaron, and others in the OT) practiced it? Besides, the Biblical prohibitions against magic were directed toward the Israelites. We're not from Israel, therefore your whole belief system does not apply to us; rather, Rome decided to FORCE the worship of an alien Middle Eastern god onto Europe. That's when things got ugly and corrupt
DrGiggles68 3 weeks ago
@DrGiggles68 yes people chose to do the wrong thing a practice the ocult during biblical times... thats no surprise there.. but you be aware that God also punished them for it too. yes the RCC did cause numerious deaths and much destruction.. they have alot to answer for
MrLoudmouthspeaker 3 weeks ago
Does it matter If there's proof of a Deity existing? If a Wicca wants to do witchcraft, why can't others let them be? And if a Christian enjoys and wants to read the bible, then why not let them? Can it really do so much harm to let people have choices and opinions?!
By the way don't judge me I'm 13 and I don't know everything. :) just my opinion.
wtc17 4 weeks ago
Every video about Wicca up on YouTube as SOME negative comments!? how sad. If you're not Wiccan than why do you watch/comment on the videos? Insulting peoples ways is NOT the way to spend your life. Live out your live the way you want and leave us to live ours. Blessed be! )O(
KesiIshtar 1 month ago
@Mrloudmouthspeaker additionally, nobody in their right mind would reveal esoteric knowledge to an arrogant YouTube troll anyway
ThePwnisher777 1 month ago
@ThePwnisher777 again what would you know...
MrLoudmouthspeaker 3 weeks ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker and just exactly what do you think all those high priests mentioned in the bible were doing behind closed doors in the secret chambers of their temples if not ceremonial magic?
ThePwnisher777 1 month ago
@ThePwnisher777 if you were smart you know that any form of magic is forbidden.. from a biblical sence.. but that of course doesnt stop people from doing their own thing.. we seen the results of that were God killed numerious ocult worshipers
MrLoudmouthspeaker 3 weeks ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker true. But then again, so would a bunch of roaring drunks. It takes intense concentration to do firewalking and a bunch of people babbling can break that concentration. BUT I have yet to see a group of praying people stop a rock concert or gay pride parade LOL and ceremonial magic (The Lemegeton, Abramelin, etc) & kabbalah are esoteric Judeo-Christian mystical practices. So much for your "devil worship" angle.
ThePwnisher777 1 month ago
@ThePwnisher777 now thats the biggest load of crap i have heard about seems you havnt got a clue what you are talking about
MrLoudmouthspeaker 3 weeks ago
@JaceaRise privy to ocult practices... what... when you have dabled.. when your family went to a satanic church.. yes i guess.. you get to know and experince things.
MrLoudmouthspeaker 1 month ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker and yet, you still havent told us he name of this satanic church. how convenient.
almost as convenient as the fact that you still have not as yet replied to me about my comment. i guess ignorance is bliss, but it does not look any better if you straight up refuse to comment- i suppose that sums up your argument, eh? have a happy yule, loudmouth. i'd expect more from a real pentecost.
dawiccaman 1 month ago
@dawiccaman wether i mention the name of the church or not it doesnt matter you wouldnt know the location anyway.. but again how would you recognize a true penticostal born again spirit filled christian anyway.. does your wiccan group have a hint book of what every christian is supposed to look like and act.. LOL
MrLoudmouthspeaker 3 weeks ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker well, no. but we do know a bit more about pentecost than you do. i mean, pentecost- dont worship jesus, yet you mention him constantly as the son of god. see how confusing it is when your church says one thing, yet you say another?
and when, pray tell, did i tell you what you were supposed to look like?
dawiccaman 3 weeks ago
@dawiccaman i see you dont know what you are talking about - you are confused about what penticost was, what took place and what it meant for the church.. and how it all relates to Jesus...
you were mentioning what penticostals were supposed to look like or do
MrLoudmouthspeaker 3 weeks ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker again, when did i say what you were supposed to loom like? show me where exactly i said you had to look like this. as for your actions, i merely refer to the actions your religion says you must do. and by the waay, my study comes from church members, higher-ups and generally more important people from you. something tells me it's not me who does not know what i'm talking about.
dawiccaman 3 weeks ago
@dawiccaman oh really so for an expert.. why dont you share some of the things that supposedly happen as there is no secrets... do tell
MrLoudmouthspeaker 3 weeks ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker i'll be happy to.
once youv'e answered my question.
dawiccaman 3 weeks ago
@dawiccaman what was your question
MrLoudmouthspeaker 3 weeks ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker *facepalm* lol. i thought you accused me of selective hearing. shows how much youv'e been listening, anyway, going so far off topic for no reason you forgot the topic.
the question should be somewhere below, before you started ranting intruthfully about my amazing nonexistant comments about your image. let's see how good you are at finding information, shall we?
dawiccaman 3 weeks ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker ... are you going to answer, or what?
dawiccaman 2 weeks ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker let me guess, more internet troubles?
dawiccaman 1 month ago
@dawiccaman no lnternet troubles its called working over christmas
MrLoudmouthspeaker 3 weeks ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker and, conveniently, it stops as soon as i mention your absence.
and you still haven't answered my question.
dawiccaman 3 weeks ago
@ThePwnisher777 oh really.. if you really did any of those things then you would know i am right about the ocult, wicca, witchcraft.. the source of spiritual power ect... i am not surprised.. most people like would never expose the truth of the ocult at any level
you would know that christians praying can stop fire walkers from doing their practices... true or false...
MrLoudmouthspeaker 1 month ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker that's what christianity teaches about soul power. However, The Christian Corporation has a HUGE financial interest in keeping people powerless. Nonono they can't have any self-empowered people running around being spiritually free because they don't make any money off of them!!
TheSpauldingEffect 1 month ago
@TheSpauldingEffect keeping people powerless... you are seriously on the wrong page.. the ocult/ witchcraft/ wicca is no game.. the church isnt keeping people away from these things because of money...
now thats pretty funny... really
MrLoudmouthspeaker 1 month ago
@JaceaRise people need to know the truth no matter who they are...
MrLoudmouthspeaker 1 month ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker if you knew about this soul power as you claim you would know that with proper training you CAN control it. Sounds more like you're just parroting something you read in some anti-Wicca propaganda literture
ThePwnisher777 1 month ago
@ThePwnisher777 any yoga teacher, cult leader or who ever will play you along.. they will state that after years of training and meditation you will eventually gain high levels of control.. but in reality this so called mastering of the inner power will lead you in to serious arm..
& no - no anit wicca propaganda.. what i have shown comes from wicca its self... der
MrLoudmouthspeaker 1 month ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker aha! NOW we're getting somewhere!! This is the TRUE purpose of Christianity: to strip you of your mind and soul power (that by your own admission God gave us!) and turn people into easily controlled rank and file bobblehead spiritual slaves who cannot think for themselves and hate & harass those who can. Thank you for showing us! :)
ThePwnisher777 1 month ago
@ThePwnisher777 actually No the latent power of the soul is a very dangerious source of power.. it leads to destruction... paganism ocult or any other label you give it is a dangerious game... the spiritual power doesnt exsist for your beck and call... its not there to serve you... it will rope you in..
MrLoudmouthspeaker 1 month ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker and though modern Wicca is based on those older religions and customs it has grown and changed over time; and so has modern Christianity in case you haven't noticed
ThePwnisher777 1 month ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker well, first and foremost look in your own Bible! Our practices and customs are mentioned (and prohibited) in it; so why would it be mentioned if it didn't exist, and why would it be such a threat to their fascist social order if it wasn't real? It simply wasn't NAMED Wicca until modern times. The Roman historians and scribes recorded all manner of religions and customs from all the lands they conquered--the roots of modern Wicca.
ThePwnisher777 1 month ago
@ThePwnisher777 what you are talking about is actually called the latent power of the soul.. there is a " spiritual " power which is know as a fallen or prohibitied power.. in short its a dangerious humanistic power... this is the power that God forbides us to use.. the reason why the latent power of the soul is forbidden is that it is dangerious and leads to destruction..
in short we are told to rely on God where the latent power of the soul gives instant gratification of the flesh..
MrLoudmouthspeaker 1 month ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker oops spelling error! :O
ThePwnisher777 1 month ago
@MrLoudmoutgspeaker ALL religions were made up at some point and just what really makes you think your pack of myths and superstitions is so much better than anybody else's? (besides your egotism and chauvinism, of course)
ThePwnisher777 1 month ago
@ThePwnisher777 our pack of myths and superstitions as you call them have been recorded in the bible... the bible contains numerious evidences within its pages that can be verfified by both religious and non relgious sources... you can find what the bible talks about...
unlike wicca .. which relies on what exaclty... what does wicca have as proof... what can you show me that proves wicca is truth..
MrLoudmouthspeaker 1 month ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker I haven't even begun to divulge the extent of my knowledge of this subject. I just showed you that their beliefs, practices, and deities existed LONG before Christianity and that Gerald Gardner didn't just "make it all up in the 1950's" as so many of you bible-thumpers keep claiming
ThePwnisher777 1 month ago
@ThePwnisher777 wicca known in many forms dates back many years.. wicca has woven its self into many forms and practices... many people are drawn into wicca without know the full extent of what lays at the heart of wicca
most have no idea.. most just like the ceremonies because they are cool and they get to dress us am i right
MrLoudmouthspeaker 1 month ago
@mrloudmouthspeaker besides, it's rich your telling me that im unsure about my religion, that i should find out about it, considering you told trandomphatguy to find information on your cult on the website he was already pulling it off.
dawiccaman 1 month ago
@dawiccaman trand hasnt been pulling any information off.. and its not a cult.. as you would think it is... from what you tell me you havnt shed any light on the subjects i have touched on... is that because you dont know about the subjects ?? you cant explain them...
you dont come across as one that knows alot about teachings beleifs tradtions and practices..
MrLoudmouthspeaker 1 month ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker oh, no, i don't know much about your little cult. but trandom has been doing his homework. really thorough homework. i think someone's uncomfortable.
tell you what, talking of not sharing information- i asked you a question yesterday, and you ignored it! have you, or have you not, heard of god particles?
dawiccaman 1 month ago
@dawiccaman i am looking at it now so whats your point does it prove wicca .. or what ??
MrLoudmouthspeaker 1 month ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker not without a study into higgs boson particles.
dawiccaman 1 month ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker god's particles is pretty much the particles, such as higgs bosons particles, that gives everything a weight- a mass. it makes it a physical thing. but no scientist knows where it comes from, what it looks like, and wev'e only just proven it exists- and even then! the point still remains, there are not a lot of gaps in what we n=know of matter and the universe, but this, the most crucial, almost definetely exists. and, of course, since it gives everything a being...
dawiccaman 1 month ago
@dawiccaman so whats your point...are you trying to say that there is evolution... so tell me what happened a second before the big bang... where did the energy come from..
MrLoudmouthspeaker 1 month ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker my point is, the beleifs of wicca are scientifically possible. you asked me to prove wicca scientifically- something we could never do with your god- and i obliged.
dawiccaman 1 month ago
@dawiccaman the power of the soul is a forbiden dangerious power.. we are forbbiden to use it because of the dangers it leads to// you cant control it.. wicca isnt totally scientific it is a blend of the religious practices with some scientific input...
well we are told to rely on God for our source of power and authority where you as a wiccan short cuts this aiming to please your self and seek your own way and path...wicca is humanistic at its core..
MrLoudmouthspeaker 1 month ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker whatever. the truth is, your stalling now. i just proved how wicca can be explained using science, yet instead of countering with how your god can, you revert back to preacher mode. please. your'e quite litealy stalling fo time.
dawiccaman 1 month ago
@dawiccaman you cant explain or measure spiritual power... you can only see the results of it.... tell me how are you going to measure the so called power of spell... through sicence... stalling for time... why...
as i have said there is two sides ... Godly power and satanic power... do you simply believe that spiritual power exsists for your pleasure....
MrLoudmouthspeaker 1 month ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker what is known, though, is that using the 3d shoebox theory- there are little universes in particles, created by stressful amounts of energy- we can summarise that, if every particle, matter and proton have a mini unverse created of energy, there should be a lot of energy going around. what sets higgs bosons and god particles aside, is that they give things weight instead of energy.
dawiccaman 1 month ago
@dawiccaman so again where did it come from
MrLoudmouthspeaker 1 month ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker stephen hawking does a wonderful job of explaining the big bang. he even manages to explain what caused it. so i won't be answere=ing an answered question- you can go look it up.
dawiccaman 1 month ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker so, basically, as crazy as it sounds, wer'e being held together by particles that control our weight- and therefore our gravity, our density, other things vital for living on this planet- it's no wonder they call them god particles! but, of course, they make up you. theyre your particles, giving you weight, and tiny amounts of energy- not a lot from one particle, but you have billions of trillions making up your body, releasing energy and mass.
dawiccaman 1 month ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker -when you take out the matter, your left with it's reality imprint in the place it used to be- the anti-matter. the mini-universe theory also has antimatter as being mini universe of pure energy. but, as any scientist will tell you, excess energy can lead to explosins and stuff, so other particles and matter can't have all this anti-matter floating around. it's theorized it's swallowed into the weight of the object- what gives an object weight, again?
dawiccaman 1 month ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker basically, a butterfly flaps it's wings, using energy, displacing particles, creating antimatter and having it swallowd by its own weight. then the matter displaced by the wind will cause more exess energy and weight-swallowed antimatter, making it more violent, which displaces more and more wind, eventually passing over just the right current and becoming a hurricane.
but whats important is the weight swallowing energy part.
dawiccaman 1 month ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker see, weight is not transferred by energy. god particles can absorb the energy, but can't use it. it's known that god particles give us weight and have an energy. so what do they do with that energy?
scientists reckon god particles may be the only particles to have a form of sentience.
dawiccaman 1 month ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker oh, and i said earlier about the particles being exclusive to you- that is, but not entirely, true. the ones which make up you are yours, but also interract with other particles, giving off energy, which causes things to happen. not only that- scientists reckon that sound reverbrations could give off an imprint on the god particles, or thought waves- of coure, your god particles would absorb the imprint of your thought waves, and start to know you.
dawiccaman 1 month ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker so, congractulations! there is a god! well- not really a benevolent,, imniscient, imnipotent one, but it is, technically, omnipresent. oh, and it cant do everything, it is a particle so its bound by the law of the universe- but certainly an impront of what you think is god can actually listen to you and help you via an elaborate chinese whisper/peking effect technique in order to affect energy. oh, and theyre personal imprints of you- it could be possible to control them-
dawiccaman 1 month ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker -using brainwave energy.
wait, iv'e heard that before. using the mind to control energy which little by little affects the flow of the univrese while keeping everything in balance... using rituals to clear the mind so as to control this energy... sounds like something iv'e heard before.
dawiccaman 1 month ago
@dawiccaman mind control... oh ok.. nuts and bolts.. so seriously how can the mind affect the flow of the universe... i guess you beleive the stars influence your life as well... & yes new age and wiccian in practice and beleif... funny how all these groups borrow the same beliefs... its abit like astral travel and re incarnation
no human mind can influence the universe..
MrLoudmouthspeaker 1 month ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker iv'e already explained how this works. do you shut off when you don't like what your hearing or do you simply have "internet troubles" again?
dawiccaman 1 month ago
@dawiccaman what... i am still around.. have you heard of going to work... der
MrLoudmouthspeaker 1 month ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker der? me? re-read the point made. i wasnt insulting the time zone difference, i was asking wether you listen to the parts of the other argument that don't suit you. clearly, you just answered my question for me.
dawiccaman 1 month ago
@Mrloudmouthspeaker YOU...JUST...GOT...PWNISHED
ThePwnisher777 1 month ago
@ThePwnisher777 i got what... is that the extent of your knowlegde... i hope not...
MrLoudmouthspeaker 1 month ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker another thing you fail to mention is that when the Romans conquered various lands they had historians and scribes record the religious and cultural practices of these areas and therefore there is in fact LOTS of evidence of pre-Christian paganism if you know where to look. If you were as educated as you PRETEND to be you'd already know that, pinhead!
ThePwnisher777 1 month ago
@ThePwnisher777 so is this the historical record you use to prove wicca.. i would hope not..
MrLoudmouthspeaker 1 month ago
bye for now...
trandomphatguy 1 month ago
now, unlike some, i like to warn people before i suddenly go silent for a bit. i'm staying at a b&b tonight, and they dont have reception, sso this will be my last message today. clearly, youv'e just proven again your mind boggling ignorance when it comes to every kind of faith, including your own. i hope for your sake your argument picks up tomorrow.
trandomphatguy 1 month ago
@trandomphatguy well who knows... wicca is full of fair tales..
MrLoudmouthspeaker 1 month ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker that's rich, coming from penticostal.
trandomphatguy 1 month ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker Wicca is full of fairy tales and the bible isn't? Unicorns, dragons, men being regurgitated by whales, seas parting for heroes, burning bushes gifted with the spoken word... OBVIOUSLY the Bible is legit. NOT.
JaceaRise 1 month ago
@JaceaRise you fail to understand the obvious... the God of the jews has been recorded by both believers and non believers... the bible has stood the test of time.. the bible has proven its self unlike wicca which has no credible source of history... tell me how are you going to prove to me that wicca is a true belief system... what is evidence..
MrLoudmouthspeaker 1 month ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker what is evidence of the bible? to your own admittance, the bible and the science of the universe are incompatible.
trandomphatguy 1 month ago
@trandomphatguy actually science supports the bible..
MrLoudmouthspeaker 1 month ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker of course it does. because obviously higgs bosons can cover burning bushes and men rising from the dead.
of course, that would still contradict your earlier statement that science and the bible are incompatible.
trandomphatguy 1 month ago
@trandomphatguy you have to look at the two sides of the coin.. one side you have God and His power, authority and interaction with mankind... v's the wiccian man made beliefs and tradtions or spirituality mixed with science and new age beliefs...
you see thats the difference.. you are comparing Gods authority with wiccas understanding.. thats the problem.. you think that what ever God does is no different from the newage power of wicca
MrLoudmouthspeaker 1 month ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker wait. so on one side, science, positive magic and just basichappiness... versus a made up beardy weirdy who demands mumblings of praise and kin-murdering.
if i'm comparing god to wicca, then iv'e won already. your beleif is that god controls all. thing is, god does not exist in the sence you want him to. the basis of your argument is flawed.
trandomphatguy 1 month ago
@trandomphatguy not at all... the bibles records clearly show us how God had realted to mankind from the early jewish times until present... we can see from the bible who God has blessed and judged mankind.. God = morals, justice, rightiousness.. what does wicca equal...nothing? a free for all with no consequences..
science proves God... wicca worships the great god/ godesses... tell me whats the difference
MrLoudmouthspeaker 1 month ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker the difference? existance.
trandomphatguy 1 month ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker "The Bible has stood the test of time... The Bible has proven itself unlike Wicca..." Firstly, it's WITHstood. Secondly, shut your mouth and learn your facts, fairy boy. The bible has unicorns in it. Obviously a credible source, right? NOT.
JaceaRise 1 month ago
@JaceaRise unicorns now thats funny... one shouldnt point the finger to quickly LOL... you should take a serious look at the origins of wicca...seems some one is getting hot under the collar
MrLoudmouthspeaker 1 month ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker Hot under the collar? Not at all. And of course Wicca deals with the supernatural. That's what it's BASED on. You make it sound like Christianity is any different. It isn't. Christianity was based largely on Paganism. That's why the unicorns and talking plants are there.
JaceaRise 1 month ago
@JaceaRise from your perspective which is based on numerious myths gods and goddesses one can think that the subject of God is simply a copy of pagan beliefs... You fail to realise that pagan wicca has no credible source of history unlike the bible and the jews for example they are real people, names and places.. how can you prove that any of the gods/ goddesses in wicca are true
MrLoudmouthspeaker 1 month ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker Look, I don't pretend to know anything about the universe. That's why I'm Pagan-Atheist. I don't like to think that I'm privvy to special knowledge of the universe. I can't stand to be that pretentious. And Paganism was practiced all over the place before monotheism came along, and even then Christianity had to adopt Pagan ideas to get the Pagans on board.
JaceaRise 1 month ago
@JaceaRise harry potter is based on real places in england. i suppose using your logic, that makes harry potter true as well.
dawiccaman 1 month ago
@dawiccaman Er, honey... That's his logic...
JaceaRise 1 month ago
@JaceaRise why is it that wiccans dont explain their rituals, spells tradtions and their numerious gods... does the lack of explaination prove that you know more then what you are telling
MrLoudmouthspeaker 1 month ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker what ar you talking about? it's clearly public information, we just don't go shouting our mouths off about it. as i said- if you ask, i will answer. i'm not going to spin off on a random tangent for my own sake, i'm not you.
trandomphatguy 1 month ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker Ok, allow me to enlighten you, then. I'm a pagan-atheist. No gods for me. I don't do spells, and my rituals consist of circle casting on Yule, Ostara, Litha, and Mabon. Once I'm old enough that a coven will take me in, there'll be more.
JaceaRise 1 month ago
@JaceaRise so do really know what you are getting your self into
MrLoudmouthspeaker 1 month ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker to explain the rest, i'm going to have to explain the imprint theory and the peking theory. peking theory, is if a butterfly flaps it's wings in los angeles, then, with the right wind currents, about 1-10 years later, there' a hurricane in peking. imprint theory? we get our energy from food, which contains particles, which naturally would also mean god particles. which get recycled into the body, and get used up as energy. imprint is the idea of antimatter-
dawiccaman 1 month ago
@dawiccaman not all, rediculious indeed... if you are brining up harry potter then you are obviously mentioning the magick of harry potter... as a true wiccan.. you would obviously declare that spells ect are true... i would that you would deny the power of witchcraft...
MrLoudmouthspeaker 1 month ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker ...did you read that comment at all?
it was an example. low blow insults about a choice of books mean nothing. your argument was "the bible must be true, because it mentions real places" and by that logic, the zombie survival guide is true. the hunchback of notredamne is true. robin hood is true. see, i dont need one book to tell me your wrong. but one book is all you have.
dawiccaman 1 month ago
@dawiccaman there are many aspects of the bible which proves its contents are accepted..the bible gives us the past and future events that are unfolding now.. tell me what other book does that... can wicca predict the future...inregards to time and place... that one book.. reveals the future unlike any other book... how can you match that...
can robin hood predict the future.. can the zombie book predict the future..
MrLoudmouthspeaker 1 month ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker no. neither can the bible, apparently. probaby the same place you learned about your religion- the internet- contains thousands of plausible reasons for these "predictions".
dawiccaman 1 month ago
@dawiccaman plausible reasons... for revealing the future... oh really.. it must be a billion to one that the bible has gotten the future prophecies right.. tell me what are the plausible reasons ...
MrLoudmouthspeaker 1 month ago
@JaceaRise hey, you made it! yeah, as you can see, he's still here. but he's getting more and more out of his depth, proving himself wrong and suchforth. basically, he's got no clue of his own religion, and each sentence makes his knowledge of wicca look more and more... copy and pasted. shouldnt be too long now.
dawiccaman 1 month ago
@dawiccaman out of my depth.. it would seem that you are the one that isnt aware of what early wicca taught about creation..surly you should be able to reveal some of the stories
MrLoudmouthspeaker 1 month ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker your fate number is the number your date of birth adds up to. not that hard to learn. maybe now you can tell me about the body aand blood of your christ.
trandomphatguy 1 month ago
@trandomphatguy what i have about wicca fate is far deeper then what you have been told... the catholic church believes that during the mass the waffer and wine actually turns into the physical forms of real flesh and blood.. the RCC dogma teaches that in order for catholics to receive jesus they must attend every mass.. not to go to mass is a mortal sin
MrLoudmouthspeaker 1 month ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker what you have been told about wicca is as much bollocksas what you were told about pentecost. clearly, your running out of things to say- obviously a denial thing.
trandomphatguy 1 month ago
@trandomphatguy maybe i should point you into the right web sites
MrLoudmouthspeaker 1 month ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker maybe. but i doubt there the "right" websites, if your looking on them.
trandomphatguy 1 month ago
@trandomphatguy Paridise community church.. check it out
MrLoudmouthspeaker 1 month ago
@trandomphatguy bollocksas... geepers seems you know nothing about the origins and early beliefs of wicca... tell me how long have you been a wiccian.. seems you know very little - what do you know about - Mem, Shin & aleph - tell me the name of the great mother godess is... do you know... i do...
what can you tell me about the syrian triad seems you are out of your depth in all this
MrLoudmouthspeaker 1 month ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker so what is your scope of evidence to support wicca..i thought you were into wicca
MrLoudmouthspeaker 1 month ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker i thought we were wiccians.
anyway, iv'e already given you proof of wicca. not my fault if you can't read.
trandomphatguy 1 month ago
@trandomphatguy you havnt given any credible evidence to any tradtion, practice,spell or origin of any of the numerious wiccan gods for that matter...
MrLoudmouthspeaker 1 month ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker yes, ihave. you just can't be bothered to look down through the comments. but i'll humour you.
have you ever heard of the god particle theory?
trandomphatguy 1 month ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker one week later... are you sure your not ignoring us on purpose?
wiccabemyfaith 1 month ago
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@MrLoudmouthspeaker but no, your right. Everything in the Bible is 100% truth.
*Talking snakes
*A man being eaten by a whale and surviving inside it
*The saviour of mankind is a zombie Jew
*One man + one woman = the whole of mankind
*A burning bush that can talk
If thats not proof that God exists, then I don't know what is!
trandomphatguy 1 month ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker lol, now now people. chill?
ryanderekdalos 1 month ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker oh, i'm out of y depth? you can't even tell me why you take drugs.
trandomphatguy 1 month ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker well, if your not going to answer my questions, i don't suppose that shows much for your own argument. four simple questions- and your asking stupid, proven questions such as these. yeah, no, your in charge, no doubt.
*cough*
dawiccaman 1 month ago
@dawiccaman who said i was in charge of anything... i am telling you what wicca believes and practices... if you are unsure about what wicca believes then you should find out..
MrLoudmouthspeaker 1 month ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker you mean, your telling me your beleifs on wicca beleifs. judging by your pentecost beleifs, i'm inclined not to beleive your beleifs on our beleifs. and thank you for your concern, but im fully comfortable and definitely sure about what wicca beleives. projection, much?
dawiccaman 1 month ago
@dawiccaman actually i am comparing the wiccan belief system with the authority of Gods Word... you would agree that there is only one truth.. one path to God... wicca is a man made religion which was created to compete with Gods truth and authority... man chooses to go his own way
if you are comfortable then you must know and accept 100% what wicca teaches
MrLoudmouthspeaker 1 month ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker oh, i do.
and that's why i'm refuting your beleifs about wicca. see, the fact i'm comfortable with wiccan teachings, is the reason i'm not comfortable with yur ramblings. and no. i would not agree there is one path to truth. do you understand that not everyone shares your view? is it a medical condition you judge everyone by your own standards?
dawiccaman 1 month ago
@dawiccaman yes you can be comfortable with wicca and what it tells you ..you can find security in it...many hate the view that there is only one path to God.. unlike other religions including new age beleifs...which promote the idea that all roads lead to the same God is wrong.... a rightious God cant be double minded in how people come to worship Him
man creates many roads to God because that cant handle Gods rightious standards the bible states that many will try their own ways and fail
MrLoudmouthspeaker 1 month ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker okay. so your god is omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent? so, can ha=e make a rock so big he cant lift it?
dawiccaman 1 month ago
@dawiccaman well who knows... when the bible states that God has created the heavens and the earth...
MrLoudmouthspeaker 1 month ago
@dawiccaman well lets just stick to one topic shall we... lets look at the topic - How many little gods does wicca have...is that ok...
i can start with 9 gods just to get the ball rolling.. then why dont you pick a topic..
MrLoudmouthspeaker 1 month ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker i'll let you and trandom ask those questions between yourselves, although it's quite obvious by your statement you know nothing of wiccan gods. stop avoiding the questions. why drugs, why posession, why tongues, why space?
dawiccaman 1 month ago
@trandomphatguy Yes tell me how many little gods does wicca actually have.. do you know... do you have any idea... like i have said .. is there 20, 30, 40 little gods... why dont you be honest and list a few names for me... or do you want me to list a few names - i do have an extensive list...
why dont you tell me about the 3 sons of carman - dub ( darkness), dother ( evil ) and dian ( voilence) surly you know about this
MrLoudmouthspeaker 1 month ago
@trandomphatguy wicca.. is as real as you want it to be... if you like lots and lots of fantast it would make perfect sence.... after all when you look at wicca and creation of the earth and sun.. seriously ...maybe you can explain the 3 sons of carmen or you could explain why the 3 circles cross over and what they mean... its also interesting to see how wicca views the biblical flood
MrLoudmouthspeaker 1 month ago
now, you are quite right. my time zone is currently 1:17 in the morning with a g.c.s.e mock tomorrow afternoon, so your lucky to have caught me before bed. however, just because iv'e replied now, doesent mean you can expect an answer before 2 oclock tomorrow, this time zone. no point in accusing me of cowardice, not that i could say the same about a certain baptist i'm currently typing to...
trandomphatguy 1 month ago
@trandomphatguy tomorrow afternoon, i should say, before you scan your screen fo the next forty minutes (knowing you).
trandomphatguy 1 month ago
@trandomphatguy wicca is a collection of someones warped mind...you should explain the 4 kings...and whats with all the sexual references with wicca
MrLoudmouthspeaker 1 month ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker so tell me, speaking in tongues- mandatory or part-partial in pentecostal?
trandomphatguy 1 month ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker usually, i'd rather enjoy the feeling of knowing the argument was so one-sided the other side just stops sending messages, basically proving my right in the subject. but at this particular argument i feel like i should let you know, if you don't reply that's how i'll take it- and i will be sending the information on to trandomphatguy. now, i beleive i sent you a message you have not replied to yet...
dawiccaman 1 month ago
@trandomphatguy certain baptist... now thats funny.. you think the bible and the christian god is fanciful.. geepers... have you ever looked seriously at wicca ...it has 100% fantasy... its plot beats any best seller fantasy films yet... all the gods.. creation.. of the sun.. winter and summer....
yeh... wicca is a sure bet.... not..
MrLoudmouthspeaker 1 month ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker and your proof of these statements, has so far led to a few bible passages, a few more statements, and the fanciful claim you used to be a pagan (and, to your own admittance, not even a wiccan one). not very concrete evidence for a religion made of sand. it doesen't even look like the founding of your own faith, was completely... saintlike...
trandomphatguy 1 month ago
...i don't beleive it... he's just pissed off again!
trandomphatguy 1 month ago
@trandomphatguy i dont know your time zones so of course my comments will be late but think that its a cop out ... what you should talk about is - thanking the 4 quaters or better yet explain the fair tale..
creation in seperation... this should be good bed time reading...
MrLoudmouthspeaker 1 month ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker and how, in the name of all that is good, did this become a matter of time zones? better yet, how are time zones fairy tales?
no, better yet, when did your racism spread to time zone mocking?
trandomphatguy 1 month ago
@trandomphatguy racism... what racism are you talking about... dont you like wicca opened up... tell me about this supposed godess demeter .. i also read that the sky and the earth turn to their mother darkness for advice.. tell me why your mother is darkness....
it all seems like an oxymoron doesnt it.... double duch.... nonsence...
MrLoudmouthspeaker 1 month ago
@wiccabemyfaith no not at all... many people claim to be wiccian.. but dont have a clue what wicca is all about.. its like the two clowns here they think they know about wicca but cant explain what is at the source of wicca..
they must be dumb or stupid
MrLoudmouthspeaker 1 month ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker looking down through the comments, i don't think theyre being themdumb (or stupid? i wasnt aware there was a difference) ones. so, go on then, what is at the source of wicca?
(any mention of satan or the illuminati will really not look good on your own intelligence.)
wiccabemyfaith 1 month ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker alright, fine. without using the words "illuminati" "gay" and "trendy, explian- oh, and "satan", explain what you reckon is at the source of wicca.
trandomphatguy 1 month ago
@trandomphatguy wicca was created to suck people into some " so called religion " that is based on the natural elements..add some "great controling spirit " lots of trinkets and ceremonies.. and hey presto... there you have wicca... a religion based on planet earth and all things natural..but with a slice of supernatural little gods/ goddess for good measure..
all that should appease peoples searching...give them hope.. but sorry allas its fake
MrLoudmouthspeaker 1 month ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker or "wiccia" as you seem to think it's called (you called me on my spelling mistake, claiming that it's the sole judger of my argument, so now we'll do the same).
trandomphatguy 1 month ago
@wiccabemyfaith .....uh....
...couldn't have said it better myself.
trandomphatguy 1 month ago
could you guys take your arguments elsewhere, please? some of us are trying to watch the video, i don't need to stare at hate speech. i'm proud to be a wiccan, and i'm sick of christians like this too, but seriously, just personal message each other.
wiccabemyfaith 1 month ago
@wiccabemyfaith its ok we have been here for ages dont mind us = we or i should say I am stripping of the core beleifs off wicca and am exposing it for what it truly is
MrLoudmouthspeaker 1 month ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker you mean, doing a shiot job at arguing with two teenagers.
trandomphatguy 1 month ago
@trandomphatguy too bad you cant spell, problems is you dont have a clue about wicca ..
MrLoudmouthspeaker 1 month ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker so, a spelling mistake, judges my whole argument? in that case, mr coveRn...
trandomphatguy 1 month ago
just want to say, i'm an atheist, but wicca is really the only religion that seems to make any sense. definitely more than "support what i think or go to hell" christians. they don't make any sense whatsoever, and i challenge anyone to prove me wrong, because they can't, because its the truth. wiccan over christian any day.
mynameneedsnoname 2 months ago
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trandomphatguy 2 months ago
@mynameneedsnoname ...nice that you support wicca and everything, but it doesnt look as if your doing it for the right reasons. wer'e not some group created in order to basically stick a proverbial finger up at christianity, wer'e simply a religion trying to get on with our own lives in peace, and for some reason that offends christians, like mrloudmouthspeaker, a little further down this page. seriously, dont support wicca as a way of getting to christains.
trandomphatguy 2 months ago
@mynameneedsnoname so you dont believe in God.. but then you say wicca seems to make the only sense... picking and choosing what ever takes your fancy isnt a good bases to use is it
MrLoudmouthspeaker 1 month ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker heh... well, you cant even use your internet as an excuse now. i guess there's no arguing with the obvious, so you choose to ignore.
trandomphatguy 1 month ago
@trandomphatguy anyway.. wicca is a religion based on science after all.... when you look at the practices.. all life is sacred...especially when you look at the - inviting the four quarters.. you know facing each direction.. saying a few special words
MrLoudmouthspeaker 1 month ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker ... i'm sorry, are you trying to convince me wicca is fake because it's based on science?
trandomphatguy 1 month ago
@trandomphatguy wow you must be thick or just stupid... wicca is a blend of religion and science.. without these two wicca is just a bunch of crap
MrLoudmouthspeaker 1 month ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker ....i'm thick....or stupid? what's the difference... anyway, so wicca is a blend of science and religion, because other wise it would be crap, and so you admit it's not.
trandomphatguy 1 month ago
@trandomphatguy wicca is a sly so called religion..it uses elements of earth wind fire and air and it also mixes it with subtle new ages practices ( which uses the power of the mind to achieve the results)..
for proof of this i can point out the "cone of power and the circle " wicca blends the phyiscal aspects with its trinkets and rituals with the power of the mind... you cant deny that
MrLoudmouthspeaker 1 month ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker im sorry, i thought the term was "wiccia" now. and anyway, at least "wiccians" are recognized as a religion, but, before you embarrass yourself on this topic... again... my answer to your other question can be found in my answer above.
trandomphatguy 1 month ago
@trandomphatguy so what if wicca is recognized... is that supposed to justify its practices... seriously... & i doubt you would explain any new information on what i have been stating about wicca
MrLoudmouthspeaker 1 month ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker i don't need to. iv'e already answered them. why would i need new information when you ask the same questions constantly?
trandomphatguy 1 month ago
@trandomphatguy no you havnt explained anything in any great length what so ever... and better why you believe the nonsence as well... or do you simply skim over it all
MrLoudmouthspeaker 1 month ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker apparently you have, you can clearly see wev'e answered your questions. if you want detail, i'll send you a personal message, so i dont have to do it in 500 characters. at any rate, iv'e explained more about mine, you havent explained yours at all- probably because you don't know.
trandomphatguy 1 month ago
@trandomphatguy you havnt gone into anything..more likely skim over the most interesting facts of wicca..
MrLoudmouthspeaker 1 month ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker lol. where to begin. how about the drug taking? the speaking in tongues? the possesions?
you ask me the questions and i answer them. you want to know the "interesting" parts of wicca, you ask. i skim because you skim. eccetera.
trandomphatguy 1 month ago