You cant both really love this music and make a stupid comment like this. Just google "uyghur" and see if there is any mention of persian descent...please dont try to spoil beautiful videos by racist comments.
@hideare Yes they are. The Persian Empire extended all the way to where the Uyghurs (Persians) live currently. they are Persians. So please, don't spoil this beautiful Persian Music by racist, inappropriate comments. Besides, dutar is Persian for du- two and tar-strings. Two strings!!!
We Uyghurs is a Turkic tribe. Turks and Persians have been living as neighbors since the ancient times therefore have influenced each other. The famous Turkic linguist and scholar Mehmud Kashgari who liven in Kashgar in the 11th century mentioned in his famous book "Khutatku Bilig" that Persian and Turkic cultures and languages were influencing each other and competing for dominance in Central during his time a thousand years ago. We consider ourselves Turk, that is what counts.
I really enjoyed this performance. I play guitar and when my acoustic lost 4 strings, because I couldn't restring it at the time, I just played on the two remaining. It was very fun, and somehow lends itself well to Spanish or Middle-Eastern style playing. I think I'd have a lot of fun playing a dutar.
Would the dutar have greater amplification with a sound-hole in the centre, like a lute or guitar? If so, why is this not done? :/
Just look at the string instruments the mongols are using now.
They look exactly like chinese instruments. The modern day mongols were influenced by the Yuan dynasty heavily and have adopted much from them, architecture, dress, music and etc.
turkiye turkleri daha çok uygur kökenlidir. uygurlar oguzların bir boyudur. merake den istanbul universitesi islam öncesi turk tarihi kursusune sorsun.
Either this guy is plain brilliant or he has been studying those two strings since before he was born. Thanks for posting this; even for an eclectic listener like me, this is a broadening listen.
Latincede yer alan kelimelerin çoğu Ural Altay dillerinden geçmedir ( efsanelerle yaşayan yunanlılar ve tarihsiz batılılar ın iddea ettiklerinin aksine ) zaten geri kalanları ise "vahşi" batılıların uydurma yuvarlama dejenere ettikleri kelimelerden oluşmaktadır. Dilin kökü Orta Asyada doğmuştur. Resimden yazıya geçiş orta asyadan başlamıştır, medeniyet orta asyada yükselmiş, bilim ve insanlık değerleri buraların temellerinşi oluşturmuştur.
@mrmotun Turkic people are relatives of the indo-iranian people, thus gene test prove this, Uhygurs and magyars are a 45.67% similarity in their genepool Turks have a 23.23%
When I was growing up in Kashgar every family had a dutar. Our family had one too, passed down three generations. My mother was absolutely hearbroken when I broke it trying to take down from a hook on the wall when I was 8 or 9. We never replaced it (could not afford at that time) and I never got a chance to learn it.
I grew up listening to the music of this artist. He is absolutely the best of the best. He was hugely popular among Uyghurs, peasants and others alike, in Kashgar.
ive been searching for a dutar for a long time. i recently picked up a saz, (easy to find) i have some videos of me playing it. i have recently fallen in love with the dutar and would LOVE to have one, do you happen to have any idea on how i could get one?
I do not know any place outside of China sells dutar. I know people brought dutar to US when they visited home. I am not sure if it is safe to ship from East Turkistan, probably not. I wish I could help you on this. sorry.
kazakhstan is about the only other place you may find one, if not i highly recommend getting a saz or a dombra (also called dumbira) they have a similar design and an equally beautiful sound
I don't think you really get the point, if you have the heart to understand the music, you can find beauty even in the music that played only with a single string. you sonds more silly to me actually. i am touched, it's a nice music.
Süper. Insan bir acayip oluyor. Her zaman ileriye bakacaksin , ve Hic bir zaman gecmisi unutmayacaksin. Dedemiz OSMANLI babamiz MUSTAFA KEMAL. Bütünlükten kuvvet dogar. Malesef bazilari bunu hala anlamis degil. Kendi toprak pesinde.
Michael, if you didn't know the song's name it's "Ana elliyi" which means Mother's baby))) I think it will be better if you rename it as it is right;).
All of you idiots, stop fighting! Turkish, Greek, Arab, Persian, and Mogolian music are ALL beautiful! I am Irish and American, and I say that the true enemy is American capitalism and militarism! Yasasin Turkiye ve Persia ve Arabia ve kazakhstan ve Uyghurstan ve Armenia ve Mongolia ve Kurdistan ve Islam ve Christianity ve Judaism
Warning about the Muafik Barsbeg, look what he wrote: Barsbeg youtube user said: NEVER EVER - MUSLIM ISLAM - ARABIC PERSIAN BASTARDS!!! YOU LL NEVER SUCCED WITH YOUR TURK-ISLAM YNTHESIS!!!! TONYUKUK IS TURK AND NOT ARAB-NATIONALIST-COLONIALIST-MOHAMMAD! GO TO MEKKA YOU ARAB-BASTARD!
How so? and how do u define purer forms of Turkic music from lesser forms? Both the instrument and melody are Turkic origin. The fact it may appear different from styles in Mongolia and Qazaqistan is more to do with the evolving nature of music than foreign influence. Lesser or purer doesnt matter.
This music obviously shows influence from Persian and Arabic music. On the other hand, Turkic cultures which have not had much contact with Arabic or Islamic musical culture show similarities among themselves, and from this it can be deduced that these cultures have a style of music that has not been influenced by Persian/Arabic music. Hence, that they likely demonstrate a musical tradition that has not had much foreign influence on it in quite a while.
Rolf, i dont mean to nitpick or anything, but can u tell me where the arabic and where the persian influence is? Both those cultures have been influenced by Turks as much as they have influenced turkic culture. The difference in style to Qazaq or Mongolian music is because of the evolution of music among a people in such a wide area of land. Listen to different styles of Qazaq music, Siberian music and so on. They all have differences but they all share the same roots. Uyghurs dont differ.
They differ widely. Kazakh and Mongol music uses a lot of pentatonic scales, while Uyghur music is heavily rooted in the Phrygian mode.
The Kazakhs had very little contact with the Arab/Persian world, and their music shows this. The Uyghurs had much contact with the Arab/Persian world, and their music shows this.
i dont think u got wat i meant since u never asnwered my question. doesnt matter.
Anyway pentatonic scales are found thruout the world. As for Phrygian mode, u mean Kurdish mode? Persian or Arab.
watch?v=UDY0nhyKOi4
watch?v=1bcLlvP7ZFk
watch?v=e3n0TlTmt-o
re wat i previously wrote. im not sayin there is no outside influence just that it goes both ways and u cant overemphasize one (or 2 lol) foreign influence more than it deserves.
Ill add on that Phrygian mode takes its name from the location in anatolia, which was under byzantine/turk rule and that Uyghur music has more in common with Kurds than Persians.
The Phrygian mode wasn't exactly unknown to most cultures, it just was passed over in some places, like the Dorian mode only to a lesser degree.
Ill also add that Uyghur music has something in common with Kurdish music but almost nothing in common with Arabic OR Persian music and very little in common with Turkic music.
Anyhow as for turkic people east of the near east... Kazakhs were so all over the damn place that you cannot say they didn't pick up influences from Cossacks, Chinese, Uyghur, or Mongols. Not only that but the Kazakhs were under Mongol dominion for a while and subject to the Mongol efforts toward integration.
Any other Turkic peoples you want to point out? The Uyghur didn't interact and more or less than any other turks save for the seven cities era and the Mongols aren't exclusively Turkic.
Just going to comment here too since the focus is different.
Phrygian mode is NAMED after a place that falls well within the bounds of Byzantine and Ottoman holdings.
One might also point out that your analysis denies the possibility of parallel evolution in musical theory.
Infact isn't this the wrong place to present such arguments at all seeing as A.H. has such a distinctly different style from even the average Uyghur dutar player.
I digress, the Seven Cities were a trading hubs so...
Also good to note that the kazaks held trade hubs on the silk road and would have had plenty of contact in such areas, beyond that they were even part of the uyghur holdings in antiquity... also good to note that the uyghur "equivalents" of even western Turkic instruments aren't equivalent at all.
First of all, Kazakh and Mongolian tunes are also very similar to this.
Second, if you are introduced to these tunes through Arabs and Persians, it does not mean Turks took it from them.
Thrid, any type of cultural interaction happens in two-way manner rather than one-way.
Four, it is wrong to assume Mongolians and Kazakhs have come here somehow purely. Their tunes might have been influenced by Tibetian and other cultures.
@tarakkiyot this is oriental sound. This is the sound from Black Sea to Mongolia. This is a disticnt asian sound. Hope youre not arguing it`s origins. Because they common!
I don't know what you are talking about. i love iranian people too, they were part of our empires for a long time under Anushtegins, Seljuks, Gaznevis, Ilkhanis, Temuris, Safavis. very very dear for us, indeed.
you're wrong. uyghurs are "turkic". other "turkic" languages are azeri, uzbek, kazhaks and others. turkish language is also a "turkic" language spoken in turkey. thats why uyghur understand turkish. just enjoy the dutar and stop making forums here.
I love this music. And the background as well. It is very Persian.
LordParsi 1 week ago
@LordParsi you cant say THEY ARE PERSIAN
they are uygurs and thats all.
you can say in central asia are the people persish mixed...but they are not persian
the ottomans extended to north africa where arabs living BUT I CANT SAY they are all turks ?!
uyghurs are fromn the oghus tribe like turkmens and turkey
Cartelle8 1 week ago
@Cartelle8 Which are in Ancient Persia.
LordParsi 1 week ago
The Uyghurs are of Persian descent. I love the music by the way.
LordParsi 1 month ago
@LordParsi No they are not???
You cant both really love this music and make a stupid comment like this. Just google "uyghur" and see if there is any mention of persian descent...please dont try to spoil beautiful videos by racist comments.
hideare 2 weeks ago
@hideare Yes they are. The Persian Empire extended all the way to where the Uyghurs (Persians) live currently. they are Persians. So please, don't spoil this beautiful Persian Music by racist, inappropriate comments. Besides, dutar is Persian for du- two and tar-strings. Two strings!!!
LordParsi 2 weeks ago
@LordParsi
We Uyghurs is a Turkic tribe. Turks and Persians have been living as neighbors since the ancient times therefore have influenced each other. The famous Turkic linguist and scholar Mehmud Kashgari who liven in Kashgar in the 11th century mentioned in his famous book "Khutatku Bilig" that Persian and Turkic cultures and languages were influencing each other and competing for dominance in Central during his time a thousand years ago. We consider ourselves Turk, that is what counts.
Sulik94 5 days ago
@Sulik94 Ok, then. Think that way, but you are still Persian. You cannot drag yourself from your ancestral roots.
LordParsi 5 days ago
@LordParsi parisians is descent of Turkicks, cause Turkicks f****ed ur grandmother many times, u can learn it in ur history.
uighurbiz 21 hours ago
@uighurbiz First of all, yoiu are very rude. Second of all you are wrong. I am not Turkic, neither are you. We are all Persian
LordParsi 14 hours ago
Long Live Turkic Nations, Long Live Uighurs!...
Long Live Eternal Steppes And Altai...
0Tengiz0 1 month ago
Wonderful, Wonderful, Wonderful,
BRAVO Uzbek people,
BRAVO Uzbek Music,
Thank you so very much michaeldmanning for uploading this magnificent piece.
samid91 4 months ago in playlist Uyghur Music
SUPER!!! Thank You for this beautiful composition!
MrArianous 4 months ago
great music!
MirzoShokhrukh 6 months ago
subhanallah
bhht91 8 months ago
The Call of Dutar
darkmoma 9 months ago 2
the power of the riff compels us
DrSporatious 10 months ago 3
wow this sounds nice but Bengali dutara sounds better not that this is not good it is awesome
skullfaced5555 10 months ago
I really enjoyed this performance. I play guitar and when my acoustic lost 4 strings, because I couldn't restring it at the time, I just played on the two remaining. It was very fun, and somehow lends itself well to Spanish or Middle-Eastern style playing. I think I'd have a lot of fun playing a dutar.
Would the dutar have greater amplification with a sound-hole in the centre, like a lute or guitar? If so, why is this not done? :/
TwoTube2 11 months ago
@TwoTube2 The dutar has a sound hole at the bottom of the body. Near the player's right knee.
jrdscrgn 6 months ago
very nice melody... thanx fur uploading....
ojutan 1 year ago
Bravo!
1955thekeeper 1 year ago 2
Guys... just because something has a Persian name does not make it Persian...
Say it's like the Jew's harp, a pure Turkic-Mongolian instrument but it has NOTHING to do with judaism or jews at all!!
Dutar is a Turkic instrument. That's it.
VizardMaskedSoldier 1 year ago
tardu akhun? where can I find his recordings?
Pomegranatem 1 year ago
The whole video i stared at the screen to see the hat as his hairstyle...xD
btw nice playing!
GIadiator 1 year ago
I once took all but two strings off a guitar and proceeded to play like this. Oh and I thought I was being so original..
rambadibow 1 year ago
i play guitar, so i find this pretty cool
DrSquidley 1 year ago
OMFG that noob!! Attach four more strings and play it in expert mode! :C
mudinmykips 1 year ago
This is sweet! That guy has to have some huge effin' blisters!!!!
TheHAHAfail 1 year ago
Masterful playing. Beautiful tone.
slowdog294 1 year ago
Originally a mogolian instrument
People originating from mogolians still use it, turks, turkmenians, kozaks, some chinese and northern afghans.
unstable112 1 year ago
@unstable112 Mmmm i would say that persians used first... Dotar means in farsi: 2 strings. Hehehe i know, turks always say everything is them.
BukurDava 1 year ago
@unstable112
"Originally"?
Just look at the string instruments the mongols are using now.
They look exactly like chinese instruments. The modern day mongols were influenced by the Yuan dynasty heavily and have adopted much from them, architecture, dress, music and etc.
azmhyr 1 year ago
Awesome.
So much range and expression from only two strings.
Beautiful scenery,excellent playing, nice video.
DystopianEmpire01 1 year ago
Is this a saz?
Daski69 1 year ago
@Daski69 No it's a dutar.
ErhanAbi 1 year ago
Yaşa! Bu tellerden çıkan nağmelerde Türk'ün kudreti var!...
0Tengiz0 1 year ago
skills
rhokdatroll 1 year ago
were can I find a Dutar!? haha i am in the market for a dutar but i am finding it very illusive here in north america.
Dracanic 1 year ago
@Dracanic try Fermont California... ;)
pristineex 1 year ago
I find it so charming...
denizbeyaz85 1 year ago
turkiye turkleri daha çok uygur kökenlidir. uygurlar oguzların bir boyudur. merake den istanbul universitesi islam öncesi turk tarihi kursusune sorsun.
alisminisokbiyerine 1 year ago 5
Amazing tune. I love it. Uighurs must get their freedom from the despotic Chinese....It is amazing to notice how wide the Turkic world is!
alacengel 1 year ago 3
Orhan babanin Uyguruuuuuu :-D
OuzTrkmn 1 year ago
Either this guy is plain brilliant or he has been studying those two strings since before he was born. Thanks for posting this; even for an eclectic listener like me, this is a broadening listen.
liamstoaster 1 year ago 4
Uyghurian and Hungarian brothers forever!
karaulkhan 1 year ago
this guy is badass. i wish i could hear this on the radio
YooTubeSucksMegaCock 1 year ago
چقدر زیباست ، استاد دستت در نکند ، همیشه موفق باشی
zagroos1 2 years ago
a beautiful play. i cant stress that enuff
moiadresUSSR 2 years ago
why.... why do i <3 all our turkic brothers so much? ))
moiadresUSSR 2 years ago
This is great techno :D master:D
mudralicancelik 2 years ago
I will have to listen many times as there is much more then is first apparent.
pauljmeyer1 2 years ago
Ellerine saglik ustad. // Respects to the master.
Turkiye'den selamlar.
gunduzhan 2 years ago 3
dutar- guitar- gitar.?
alisminisokbiyerine 2 years ago
Latincede yer alan kelimelerin çoğu Ural Altay dillerinden geçmedir ( efsanelerle yaşayan yunanlılar ve tarihsiz batılılar ın iddea ettiklerinin aksine ) zaten geri kalanları ise "vahşi" batılıların uydurma yuvarlama dejenere ettikleri kelimelerden oluşmaktadır. Dilin kökü Orta Asyada doğmuştur. Resimden yazıya geçiş orta asyadan başlamıştır, medeniyet orta asyada yükselmiş, bilim ve insanlık değerleri buraların temellerinşi oluşturmuştur.
KursadTurkoglu 2 years ago
Hello From Turkiye bros!!
zaferhangul 2 years ago
omg. a style uncomparable to any other string instrument. greetings from magyarország, brothers!
ZuzerHun 2 years ago 4
!! ))
moiadresUSSR 2 years ago
We the Turks make music for the soul,the ching chong makes baby-stew,with human babies that is.disgusting creatures u ching chong..
Jamokai 2 years ago 2
Freedom and glory for all the Uyghur people !!! You will forever be in my mind and heart !!!
PS: Greedy chinks must leave Uyghuristan, or show some respect
Borat911 2 years ago
ХОРОШИЙ ПЕЙЗАЖ
КРАСИВАЯ МУЗЫКА
DARIADOUCHKALIOUBOV 2 years ago
Greetings from Hungary! Indo-Iranian brotherhood for ever! Hang in there cousins!
Diodredai 2 years ago
We are not Indo-Iranian or Aryan we are ALTAIC!
Keep your greets for yourself. Turks have no other friend than Turks.
VizardMaskedSoldier 2 years ago
we are not indo-iranian dude!
mrmotun 2 years ago 3
@mrmotun Turkic people are relatives of the indo-iranian people, thus gene test prove this, Uhygurs and magyars are a 45.67% similarity in their genepool Turks have a 23.23%
Diodredai 2 years ago
@Diodredai
Turkic people are altaic and not indo-iranian.
We are not animals.
In your land there are a lof of slavic and german tribes and the rest can be just Turkic but you are not Turkic.
mrmotun 2 years ago 2
Uyghurs and Turks are a great people. You can hear their great, proud spirit in their music.
0112337 2 years ago 2
WOW! He is like touching with his fingers my heart !
Bless you for uploading this.And bless him for his grace !
DRAGOVODA 2 years ago 2
Amazing Amazing, So Sad & Beautiful.
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Freedom For The Uyghur Turks
SultanUyghur 2 years ago 2
türk halk el elle vermemiz lazim
drumbambam 2 years ago
Şu ana kadar dinlediğim en iyi kopuz çalan kişi çok güzel çalıyor.
sadrazam666 2 years ago
ive been searching for a dutar for ages... even my friends who frequent Turkey have been unable to find one for me. any one have any sources?
Dracanic 2 years ago
try with ebay
orfaust 2 years ago
beutiful music & view
nosorog91 2 years ago 2
wow very nice
turks 4 ever
o0dYnAmiT0o 2 years ago
When I was growing up in Kashgar every family had a dutar. Our family had one too, passed down three generations. My mother was absolutely hearbroken when I broke it trying to take down from a hook on the wall when I was 8 or 9. We never replaced it (could not afford at that time) and I never got a chance to learn it.
I grew up listening to the music of this artist. He is absolutely the best of the best. He was hugely popular among Uyghurs, peasants and others alike, in Kashgar.
Sulik94 2 years ago
ive been searching for a dutar for a long time. i recently picked up a saz, (easy to find) i have some videos of me playing it. i have recently fallen in love with the dutar and would LOVE to have one, do you happen to have any idea on how i could get one?
Dracanic 2 years ago
I do not know any place outside of China sells dutar. I know people brought dutar to US when they visited home. I am not sure if it is safe to ship from East Turkistan, probably not. I wish I could help you on this. sorry.
Sulik94 2 years ago
kazakhstan is about the only other place you may find one, if not i highly recommend getting a saz or a dombra (also called dumbira) they have a similar design and an equally beautiful sound
theoriginalmcsquare 2 years ago
ISTE KASGARIN NESEDI
nesetci66 2 years ago
Long live our Turkic Uyghur brothers. Greetings from Turkiye!
TuranianWarrior1 2 years ago 2
I am not Turkish but I have known many Turks and I admire and respect their traditions and values.
To me they are like aristocrats.............SAG OL!
bltsrmsqt 2 years ago
China will go down, just like all evil empires do.
Long live Uyghuristan and the Turkic peoples.
Auulxalyany 2 years ago 23
FUCK CHINA!
osmanoman 2 years ago 2
where can i get this music?
sebizzle1 2 years ago
masallah beautiful
Jackpotttt67 2 years ago
what lake is this???
xavagolxD09 2 years ago
I think it is Tian Chi Lake (Heavenly Lake) They say it is 1.5 hour from Urumqi, Xinjiang.
protdeaf 2 years ago
YAŞA BÜYÜK TÜRK'LER
BİG TURK'S
ESENLERT3AM 2 years ago 2
I don't think you really get the point, if you have the heart to understand the music, you can find beauty even in the music that played only with a single string. you sonds more silly to me actually. i am touched, it's a nice music.
sayrang 2 years ago 2
i am objecting "CelticMonkey88" 's post by the way.
sayrang 2 years ago
i cant describe how i feel when i am listening to uyghur or other turkic music...its like a mix of proudness and happiness and...ahh i dont know...
Greets and Love to East Turkestan!!
IsisCandy 2 years ago
Is this a sad song :(
Ezzedeen01 2 years ago
Büyük Abdurehim Heyit. Büyük Uygur. Türk uygarlığının sahibi yüce ulus. Tanrıdan dilerim tez zamanda özgür olursunuz.
nadirtalas 2 years ago 2
TURKISTAN a SELAM
YASA TURKIYE yasa TURAN
kemalettin5 2 years ago
Turan. Eninde sonunda, TURAN. O kadar.
karasuturan 3 years ago
Bruno99999 - give me ur email, ill send you!
kombarbaev 3 years ago
Does someone mybe know are there any mp3 files of Abdurehim Heyit on the internet? Beautiful music.
Bruno99999 3 years ago
Süper. Insan bir acayip oluyor. Her zaman ileriye bakacaksin , ve Hic bir zaman gecmisi unutmayacaksin. Dedemiz OSMANLI babamiz MUSTAFA KEMAL. Bütünlükten kuvvet dogar. Malesef bazilari bunu hala anlamis degil. Kendi toprak pesinde.
FatihSultanMehmet2 3 years ago 4
it sounds fine! he do a great job!! 5*****
acerb45666555 3 years ago
Thx for clip!!! Very beautiful!
Michael, if you didn't know the song's name it's "Ana elliyi" which means Mother's baby))) I think it will be better if you rename it as it is right;).
Peace!
Arslanakhun 3 years ago
The more correct translation of the title of the song is "mother's lullaby".
Heverci 3 years ago
Yes you're quite right!!!
Topmu toghra! :)
Arslanakhun 3 years ago
turkestan song :) very nice
POWERTURAN 3 years ago
how come all the videos from this guy are playbacks... would like to actually see him play what i hear.
brilliant stuff anyway!
harpoxfi 3 years ago
都他尔只有两根絃,但弹出的曲子,能颤动你的心灵。
hulalalululu 3 years ago
lol the enemy is chinese communism and their policies of demographic change, cultural assimilation and their militant settlements.
kgTurk 3 years ago
The communist Chinese are pretty imperial. Mao would roll in his grave.
clockworkdreams 3 years ago
All of you idiots, stop fighting! Turkish, Greek, Arab, Persian, and Mogolian music are ALL beautiful! I am Irish and American, and I say that the true enemy is American capitalism and militarism! Yasasin Turkiye ve Persia ve Arabia ve kazakhstan ve Uyghurstan ve Armenia ve Mongolia ve Kurdistan ve Islam ve Christianity ve Judaism
jimthecelt 3 years ago
Warning about the Muafik Barsbeg, look what he wrote: Barsbeg youtube user said: NEVER EVER - MUSLIM ISLAM - ARABIC PERSIAN BASTARDS!!! YOU LL NEVER SUCCED WITH YOUR TURK-ISLAM YNTHESIS!!!! TONYUKUK IS TURK AND NOT ARAB-NATIONALIST-COLONIALIST-MOHAMMAD! GO TO MEKKA YOU ARAB-BASTARD!
miighankurt 3 years ago
Flawless.
RolfLarsson 3 years ago 2
Victory
clockworkdreams 3 years ago
Agreed. Very beautiful.
kgTurk 3 years ago
this is turkish music my friends this is our culture, we have more culture than any other nation on this earth , it is beautiful to see my relatives
Bloodym4a1 3 years ago
No such thing as "more culture," arkadaş.
RolfLarsson 3 years ago 2
And this music is actually very Arab and Persian inspired. Purer Turkic music is to be found in Mongolia and Kazakhstan.
RolfLarsson 3 years ago
How so? and how do u define purer forms of Turkic music from lesser forms? Both the instrument and melody are Turkic origin. The fact it may appear different from styles in Mongolia and Qazaqistan is more to do with the evolving nature of music than foreign influence. Lesser or purer doesnt matter.
kgTurk 3 years ago
This music obviously shows influence from Persian and Arabic music. On the other hand, Turkic cultures which have not had much contact with Arabic or Islamic musical culture show similarities among themselves, and from this it can be deduced that these cultures have a style of music that has not been influenced by Persian/Arabic music. Hence, that they likely demonstrate a musical tradition that has not had much foreign influence on it in quite a while.
RolfLarsson 3 years ago
Rolf, i dont mean to nitpick or anything, but can u tell me where the arabic and where the persian influence is? Both those cultures have been influenced by Turks as much as they have influenced turkic culture. The difference in style to Qazaq or Mongolian music is because of the evolution of music among a people in such a wide area of land. Listen to different styles of Qazaq music, Siberian music and so on. They all have differences but they all share the same roots. Uyghurs dont differ.
kgTurk 3 years ago
They differ widely. Kazakh and Mongol music uses a lot of pentatonic scales, while Uyghur music is heavily rooted in the Phrygian mode.
The Kazakhs had very little contact with the Arab/Persian world, and their music shows this. The Uyghurs had much contact with the Arab/Persian world, and their music shows this.
I stick by my analysis.
The Uyghurs have had much more contact with
RolfLarsson 3 years ago
i dont think u got wat i meant since u never asnwered my question. doesnt matter.
Anyway pentatonic scales are found thruout the world. As for Phrygian mode, u mean Kurdish mode? Persian or Arab.
watch?v=UDY0nhyKOi4
watch?v=1bcLlvP7ZFk
watch?v=e3n0TlTmt-o
re wat i previously wrote. im not sayin there is no outside influence just that it goes both ways and u cant overemphasize one (or 2 lol) foreign influence more than it deserves.
kgTurk 3 years ago
Ill add on that Phrygian mode takes its name from the location in anatolia, which was under byzantine/turk rule and that Uyghur music has more in common with Kurds than Persians.
The Phrygian mode wasn't exactly unknown to most cultures, it just was passed over in some places, like the Dorian mode only to a lesser degree.
Ill also add that Uyghur music has something in common with Kurdish music but almost nothing in common with Arabic OR Persian music and very little in common with Turkic music.
clockworkdreams 3 years ago
Anyhow as for turkic people east of the near east... Kazakhs were so all over the damn place that you cannot say they didn't pick up influences from Cossacks, Chinese, Uyghur, or Mongols. Not only that but the Kazakhs were under Mongol dominion for a while and subject to the Mongol efforts toward integration.
Any other Turkic peoples you want to point out? The Uyghur didn't interact and more or less than any other turks save for the seven cities era and the Mongols aren't exclusively Turkic.
clockworkdreams 3 years ago
Influenced turks by what way? I dont see anything new in turkey other than the language they speak. The turkics only influenced their blood.
The instrument is of iranian origin (Dutar, literally meaning 2 strings in persian), and the scales sound anatolian-iranian.
GeezIdontknowOmg 3 years ago
Just going to comment here too since the focus is different.
Phrygian mode is NAMED after a place that falls well within the bounds of Byzantine and Ottoman holdings.
One might also point out that your analysis denies the possibility of parallel evolution in musical theory.
Infact isn't this the wrong place to present such arguments at all seeing as A.H. has such a distinctly different style from even the average Uyghur dutar player.
I digress, the Seven Cities were a trading hubs so...
clockworkdreams 3 years ago
Also good to note that the kazaks held trade hubs on the silk road and would have had plenty of contact in such areas, beyond that they were even part of the uyghur holdings in antiquity... also good to note that the uyghur "equivalents" of even western Turkic instruments aren't equivalent at all.
clockworkdreams 3 years ago
First of all, Kazakh and Mongolian tunes are also very similar to this.
Second, if you are introduced to these tunes through Arabs and Persians, it does not mean Turks took it from them.
Thrid, any type of cultural interaction happens in two-way manner rather than one-way.
Four, it is wrong to assume Mongolians and Kazakhs have come here somehow purely. Their tunes might have been influenced by Tibetian and other cultures.
Cheers.
tarakkiyot 2 years ago 21
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@tarakkiyot Uygurs are the one the Turkic peoples in central asia such as Kazaks, Ozbeks, Kırgız and Turkmens.
Noone can know who mixed with who in the history
pls dont make confusion with this silly theories
we are Uygurs we are Turks we are Turkics
we are the one who created the civilization in Asia and we are the one who glorified the Turkish language
atabaskan 1 year ago
@tarakkiyot this is oriental sound. This is the sound from Black Sea to Mongolia. This is a disticnt asian sound. Hope youre not arguing it`s origins. Because they common!
blanoz 6 months ago
@tarakkiyot Other cultures like Persian
LordParsi 2 weeks ago
@LordParsi
I don't know what you are talking about. i love iranian people too, they were part of our empires for a long time under Anushtegins, Seljuks, Gaznevis, Ilkhanis, Temuris, Safavis. very very dear for us, indeed.
tarakkiyot 1 week ago
Allahina gurban gardas
selcuklu40 3 years ago
selamlar büten dosalra
surgunde 3 years ago
UYGHURSTAN!!!
C*
tilivay 3 years ago
Selam for all TURKISH people.This is the music
35ee35 3 years ago
this is not turkish. this is uyghur music.
aaroncurley 3 years ago 2
It IS Uyghur and the Uyghurs ARE Turkish. ;)
Understanding the peoples and cultures of the whole region will help you to learn that Turkish people arent only to be found in Turkey.
kgTurk 3 years ago
you're wrong. uyghurs are "turkic". other "turkic" languages are azeri, uzbek, kazhaks and others. turkish language is also a "turkic" language spoken in turkey. thats why uyghur understand turkish. just enjoy the dutar and stop making forums here.
aaroncurley 3 years ago
East Turkistan
uyghurthug 3 years ago