Top Secret Nazi Aircraft-Nazi Stealth Aircraft Nr.1-You Must See

[NilChoudhury]

heut ist mein tag!

[DHREVOLUTION]

geeze I wonder where the americans stole the designs for the b2

[timsfun11]

Also, this turned out to make the design very unstable.

[timsfun11]

What are we all in such a tizzy about? The Horten brothers design was amazing. They figured out many important things. The HO229 did contain carbon within the outer skin. Also, just by the way it was designed, Flying Wing, it had a very low "Radar Cross Section". The Hortens figured out that the way to make their design stable was to move the engines and CG forward and an aft deck arrangement which added a stabalizing effect to the aircraft. Northrop's design had exaust on the trailing edge.

[Greed4Speed]

"And this f plain is the mother of the B29 Bomber!"

You are no aeronautical historian, not even a good student, so why do you pretend to be one of the informed by continuing to assume that you know more than I? The US already had the B-17, the best bomber in the world at that time. The larger version of it became the B-29 & first flew in 1944. It flew almost 2 years before the Horten 229 did & was already in production when it did fly. You're trying to give credit where credit isn't due.

[Greed4Speed]

@Greed4Speed **typo** actually the B-29 first flew in 1942. It's kind of hard for the Horten 229 to be "the mother of the B29 bomber when it first flew almost 2 years later, isn't it?

[oXbOxr00X]

@Greed4Speed I'M TALKING ABOUT THE B229 not B17 or B29 ... the High Eng Jet power that tje americans don't know .. and the equals Design ! u talking about complkete diff. plain!

[Greed4Speed]

@oXbOxr00X Might want to plug your ears, but suggesting this was a true bomber completely contradicts Hitler, & the Luftwaffe's, philosophical views on warfare. Blitzkrieg involved unrelenting speed attacks on a target by land support & continual air raids. Hitler believed that fighters were best equipped for attack missions due to their speed and most of all, their ability to defend themselves. Bombers were sitting ducks in his view. Americans used carpet bombing, the Germans didn't! Oops

[Greed4Speed]

@oXbOxr00X Obviously, English isn't your first language so it takes some time, & a little guessing, to try & decipher what you write. Second, suggesting that the US "stole" the blue prints for the Horton 229 & held on to them only to build the B-2 bomber 40 years later is simply idiotic. I'm guessing Germany had something that resembled the F-117; a first gen stealth fighter that preceeded the B-2 by almost a decade? What was Jack Northrup doing with his flying wings during the 20's/30's?

[oXbOxr00X]

@Greed4Speed Yes sorry i'm a german i tryed my best to make it understandable ... Some US-AirForce 4 Start Generals told to Discovery channel: This is the grandmother of your B-229 .. aka Nurflügler or Junkers Nurflügelpatent we habe the Patent bother so its your... plz let us stop fighting if u mean we did'nt invent that ok u win and i have me peace! njoy my US-American brother!

[jojo196146]

After wwII America got German science help create the Atom bomb and NASA ., then the Russians did the same....Ok  history lesson over ! America bought it and now buying zero and we are falling apart !

[warfication]

Why the fuck is this only responses c'mon people get a life

[BURNANNATOR]

stupid nazis now the us has better

[oXbOxr00X]

We germans alaways say on utube tu the b2 bomber that was made in germany and all say screw u nazi scum! and know u american douches got the proof! u fabricate it ... without us (the gemrmans) u are more then lost! without us u never ever hit the moon... i don't say u are unable to built a spaceshutle but u was to stupid to calculate it!

[MokomaSusi]

@oXbOxr00X

Northrop was making flying wings same time with Germans.

Then there was Northrop XP-79 "rocket plane" etc...

[oXbOxr00X]

@MokomaSusi and why it look equal ??? We germans was the first and we will ever be #1 woithout the blueprints from us US are screwed! its proofed Hotron B2 is the mother of all nur-flügler!

[oXbOxr00X]

@MokomaSusi other true fact is, first flight way after ww2 end!

[Greed4Speed]

@oXbOxr00X What's with the hate speech and name calling? You say "We Germans" when in fact, during this time in American history, the majority of Americans living in the US were of German ancestry, as is the case today. I, myself, am half German so if your goal is only to racially divide 'us' from 'them' it's pointless.

[oXbOxr00X]

@Greed4Speed i only say that we invitend the B22 Bomber long before the world did knew that stealth is exists!

[Greed4Speed]

@oXbOxr00X The Horton Bros did not "invent" the B-2 bomer "long before the world knew that stealth existed"! They simply took their experience with manned & power gliders (propeller driven gliders) & were the first to adapt jet engines to them. These power gliders, an evolved version of the Wright Bros. flyer (US), were popular threwout France, England, the US, & Germany.

[Greed4Speed]

@oXbOxr00X Also, this craft was not designed to be a "bomber" but a fighter/interceptor. With round engine inlet's, contoured/curved surfaces/tail edges, & round canopy, it was not "stealth" no matter how much it's delta wing design may resemble a modern day B-2 bomber. It most likely had a lower rcs (radar cross-section) than a conventional plane design, due to the materials used on it's outer skin, but that still does not qualify it as being a "stealth" craft or, even a success, by any means.

[oXbOxr00X]

@Greed4Speed stupid... i dont waste my time with u! Horton was a fucxxking Bomber... what should it be a private-plain?

[Greed4Speed]

@oXbOxr00X It's not that you "don't want to waste your time with me" but rather, you simply want to have the last word. If you don't want to prove your point then why participate in the conversation to begin with? Here's another case of someone who worships what little they think they know but doesn't want to be proven wrong or gets overly frustrated when questioned. This is what you call a lack of education! Let's see how many double negative's you respond with brainiac! & it wasn't a bomber!

[oXbOxr00X]

@Greed4Speed i hope u can read German! Horten H XVIII, einem großen Langstrecken-Nurflügel-Bomber (able to load up 1T bombs..), that the CORRECT description of the Plain! And this f plain is the mother of the B29 Bomber! Its not my fault that u are unabvle to read and understand German but i guess the word Langstrecken-Nurflügel-Bomber u must know.....

[Greed4Speed]

@oXbOxr00X Yes, I know what the "description says," but understand that there is a difference between fact and fiction, truth and speculation. You take sensationalized video for fact when they are based on highly opinionated pov's. And suggesting that this craft is the mother of the B-29 is just a blantant lie! If the US led in anything before, during, & after WWII it was in developing bombers; no one else was even close. Hilter was offensive minded & used a method called blitzkrieg.

[oXbOxr00X]

@Greed4Speed yea u are right and i have nmy peace fuck ypu! USA stole all high tech from germany! included the B229 bomber!!!! and your Fitgher was a bomber and know its over my friiend i ignor u from now on!

[Totemtualicoc]

"JUJUJU BATMAN ¿HU?"

[TheVWPaddy]

That is not Top Secret,come from Germany.Der nur Flügler.

[BoxFreind]

This was no secret Fox. I've heard of this years ago!

[timsfun11]

Hello all.

I was the one on the viedo selected to lead the model build team and let me assure you this aircraft had all surfaces and hardware simulated to such detail..... you wouldnt believe how much.... This model was my best. After 30 years of this work. Enjoy this documentary. also it had so many stealth concepts built in to the real aircraft even its skin had carbon dust in its layers. I saw it first hand.

[timsfun11]

Hello all.

I was the one on the viedo selected to lead the model build team and let me assure you this aircraft had all surfaces and hardware simulated to such detail..... you wouldnt believe how much.... This model was my best. After 30 years of this work. Enjoy this documentary.

[buubuoo]

this is just a lie..look at the camera resoltion...aren't they just tooo modern???

[riedude]

@buubuoo You retard, those are NEW pictures of the REMADE MODEL.

[Greed4Speed]

"...the us didn't even start investigating stealth aircraft until the late 1970, then deploying them a decade later."

Complete lying and made up speculation based on sensationalism and miscontruing the real facts. The US had flying wing bombers before the Germans or anyone for that matter! See Jack Northrop's flying wings of the late "1020's"... that's right, I said 1920's! This video is serves as a serious disservice to American aviation and innovation.

[Greed4Speed]

The F-117 stealth fighter first flew in 1979, not a decade later. Stealth was an American invention! Not German, not Russian, not Chinese! None of these countries had the supercomputer technology to calculate the radar cross section of a plane from every angle. This was not a "stealth fighter!" German jet engine technology then was very primative & very accident prone and caughting fire usually on decent or take-off and killing the pilots; that's why the Germans invent the ejection seat, fyi

[cp120x]

@Greed4Speed Ejection seat was invented by Dragomir, a Romanian, not a german ! Sorry to burst your bubble but the concept of a reacted flying wing was a purely german-Nazi idea. Nothing to do with US. Maybe the original german concept was not inteded to be a pure ghost to radar but was certainly made to minimize reflection of radio waves by the use of wood and sleek angles.

[Greed4Speed]

@cp120x "Ejection seat was invented by Dragomir, a Romanian..." Dragomir invented ejecting capsules which were a part of the plane itself; not actual ejection seats. His "invention" was not practical so it was never used. The Germans first used them on jets. The Americans perfected them.

[historatia]

@Greed4Speed This is another astonishingly untrue statement. Both Heinkel (the He-219 in 1942) and SAAB had ejection seats in WWII. Heinkel was the first prodiuction model, followed by SAAB in 1944. They were "perfect enough" to be in production when the US didn't have them for their pilots. Why do you embarass yourself with this rubbish placing the US into the "first developer" position when they were NOT first, nor even second in this case not with production models until early 1949.

[Greed4Speed]

@cp120x As for the "concept of a reacted flying wing" being purely German, hate to burst your bubble but it was not. Might want to look at Jack Northrops flying wings many of which pre-date anything German. What plagued early german jets, aside from problematic engines, was oscillation at high speeds. Swept wings/flying wings prevented this from happening creating the lowest possible drag needed; stealth is only giving false credit where it is not due.

[cp120x]

@Greed4Speed The very first "flying wing" I found related to Northrop in the N1 dated 1941... Horten Bros work is dated 1930 or something. But if there is anything else please give me some details or point me out where I can find infos ! No kidding I'm fascinated by those, so I'ld be very happy to learn more.

[keirfree]

@cp120x Delta wing or swept back wings, has been around ever since small boys could fold paper, into a model plane nothing clever in a flying wing, what was needed, was an engine with sufficient Thrust, and the Brits did that in Spades with their various V Bombers esp the Vulcan designed late 1945

their engines went on to power the last long distance bomb run UK to Argentina 1981

now that is clever design, oh and Engineering

PS same engines powered Concorde

[historatia]

@Greed4Speed Your comments are utter nonsense. Jack Northrup would be the first to agree that the Germans who flew stable versions in 1938 and advanced that to the highest speed aircraft with the Horton IX (jet engines first flown with lower-powered substitute for the desgin BMW jet engines.) The comment about "oscillation at high speed is utter nonsense as is your claim that it was not stealth. Right down to the materials used in the paint is was a stealth aircraft....

[Greed4Speed]

@historatia @historatia "The comment about "oscillation at high speed is utter nonsense..." If you truly understood the problems that plagued early German aeronautical engineers when developing jet engines, you'd know that oscillation was a major problem; often wings would tear off aircraft (engines exploding was common). Since the Germans really had no time for 'prototype models' they had to rush production. Solution? Swept wings or limiting drag as much as possible, a la a flying wing.

[historatia]

@Greed4Speed I know a fair bit about it, My father a Luftwaffe pilot mostly doing long range ocean reconnaissance in BV-138's was on test-pilot/teaching rotation including participation in early German development putting jets on the Heinkel 115 (pontoon) craft, to allow it more rapid escape in sea rescues. The oscilliation issue with jets has everything to do with engines and NOTHING with any particular airframe. You wrongly brought it up in relation to tailless wing frames.

[Greed4Speed]

You couldn't be more wrong. I standby my comment on oscillation in relation to a jet's airframe/aerodynamic drag. Oscillation has nothing to do with an engine and EVERYTHING to do with an airframe. As early German jets began to approach high speeds, they discovered that an aircraft becomes very difficult to control due to what I had earlier indicated. Aside from sub-sonic jet, such as the A-10, name one super sonic jet that doesn't have swept wings? There is a reason for it.

[Greed4Speed]

@historatia "Jack Northrup would be the first to agree that the Germans who flew stable versions in 1938 and advanced that to the highest speed aircraft with the Horton IX." Northrop began experimenting with flying wings in 1929! What's your point? How is it that you continue to put words in my mouth, misquote me, or combine two completely unrelated and separate topics of discussion together? Please go back and re-read what I said before you find anymore issues with my "America-first fantasy"

[historatia]

@Greed4Speed Northrup did indeed, and was (unfortunately) never able to design a tailless version that was aerodynamically stable. That is a simple historical fact and deserves no shame. the Horton Brothers with the help of mathematicians at Marburg University -- working in the tradition of the very methodical Wright Brothers -- developed with tunnel testing the parameters that allowed them to achieve what Northrup had not. The were very dilligent researchers and deserve their due credit. ....

[Greed4Speed]

Suggesting that Northrup failed at a completely tailless wing design is completely false. Both Jack Northrup & the Horton bros first started by experimenting with gliders. There was no "first" because their work and research occurred congruently without the others knowledge. Northrup couldn't develop many of his ideas beyond conceptual phase due to a lack of funds & the depression. Many of his designs were proven models that never even left the ground due to the aforementioned.

[historatia]

@Greed4Speed FACT: Northrup never got a tailless wing flying until after the Government gave him the contract to emulate the Horton wing craft. If you google on "Jack Northrop first tailless" and you will see the TAILED try of 1929 and the discussion of the failure of 1937 when the new design NEEDED A TAIL. They abandoned the effort then. YOUR STATEMENTS ARE SIMPLY WRONG.

[Greed4Speed]

First, aside from your comment being 100% bs, Nazi Germany & the US had no military alliance or partnership. The US was a neutral country. 2nd, Northrup reluctantly looked a Germany's winged fighters AFTER the war, at the governments request, but didn't want to because he wanted his research to remain independent & for Germany to not getting any credit for his work. Not only that, but his flying wings were propeller driven & developed to be long distance fliers/bombers; not fighters!

[historatia]

E@Greed4Speed You're a little slow friend. The ACTUAL 1929 plane is pictures on google. Evn YOU should be able to see the clearly displayed tail, and even YOU should be able to READ the paragraphs with it. Furthermore the US military contract actually REFERRED to the Horton wing. You're not playing with a full deck.

[Greed4Speed]

"YOU" trying to lecture me on "READ"-ing makes no logical sense when my last response already answered (predicted?) this one. Second, I never mentioned anything about Northrup's 1929 plane, but since you brought it up, I'm sure you knew it originally had no rudders or tail but he chose to incorporate them due to safety concerns & funding. Please do yourself a favor & read a book on Jack Northrup's flying wings before you decide to play expert & stop lazily googling soundbites of information.

[Greed4Speed]

@historatia "Furthermore the US military contract actually REFERRED to the Horton wing."

REFERRED? More bs. British jet engines, that powered US jets, were actually proven to be more advanced & preceeded anything German. The only reason the US government asked Northrup to research Germany's flying wing was because of his experience in the field. Northrup did not copy or borrow anything from German designs; he didn't have to.

[historatia]

@Greed4Speed If you knew the first thing about this, then you would be aware that the US contract originated because someone in the military procurement field had come to know about the Horton wing successes and aquired enough information that the US Government sought to have a US version of the Horton Wing technology tried in the United States. That link is IRREFUTABLE. Have you looked yet at the photos the 1929 Northrup experiment WITH TAIL? Are you ready to RETRACT your incorrect statement?

[Greed4Speed]

Excuse me Mr Historian but have you know that your timeline does not even closely reflex historical accounts. First, Germany did not fully surrender until 1945. So, any wing flying wing design by Northrup occured only after this, right? Apparently, Northrup was sitting on his hands at home waiting in eager anticipation for the opportunity to steal "Horton Wing technology" as his own? Either that or the US was an ally of Germany during WWII & stole top secret military designs? Complete bs!

[Greed4Speed]

Are you ready to RETRACT your incorrect statement?

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Apparently, you see & hear only what you want to so there is no use explaining it again and again. So in summary, the Horton Bros were 1st to develop flying winged stealth bombers. Germany tech deserve all the credit. Northrup stole everything he knew from the Horton Bros. Based on this speculative & sensationalized video you view as fact, this was a stealth fighter. Germany developed modern day stealth. I'm wrong.Your right. That's it?

[historatia]

@Greed4Speed Have you yet red the reports of the Northrup 1937/1938 failures with the wind tunnel testing, after which -- having run out of financial resources -- they ABANDONED the project.? Don't you think you should let your readers know that YOU WERE MISTAKEN? You continue to embarrass yourself, and in particular you embarrass the memory of Jack Northrup who was a well established innovator, by claiming for him successes that he himself never clamed and never would have.

[Greed4Speed]

Have you looked yet at the photos the 1929 Northrup experiment WITH TAIL?

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Yes, and they are photo's WITHout TAIL. But, as I've already explained, he need money, funding, & reassurance so he add them. Are you that selective of a reader of do I have to go back and quote myself?

[Greed4Speed]

Have you yet red the reports of the Northrup 1937/1938 failures with the wind tunnel testing, after which -- having run out of financial resources -- they ABANDONED the project.?

>

Oh, right, and then almost a year later the N-1M flew. Why don't you just rewrite history while your at it? Sound a lot like something I posted about the depression, engineless concepts, need of funding/sponsors? No matter how your "opposition" words it in your mind you'll interput it completely out of context

[Greed4Speed]

"You continue to embarrass yourself, and in particular you embarrass the memory of Jack Northrup...."

First you defame the legacy of Northrup himself by falsely portraying him as a cheat. Second, your petty attempt to persuade others to your agenda by now acting as if you're defending his character & playing victim due to your delussional belief that you have some personal knowledge of the man to be able to speak for him is not only hypocritical, but an insult those who know better!

[historatia]

@Greed4Speed You speak utter nonsense. Jack Northrup was NEVER a cheat. Unlike you, he NEVER made the claims that he succeeded with a winged tailless flight. So I have NEVER portrayed him as a cheat. I portrayed you as a person who seems unwilling to acknowledge the truth that even Northrup Grumman agrees with. I don't speak for him, I speak for the TRUTH that any sane person can learn from the records. documents, photographs and films that (German as well as American) that exist.

[Greed4Speed]

I'd advise you, again, to read an actual book about Jack Northrup instead of backing your claims with limited online details of the mans achievements. What you'll find are early rendering of his flying wings that precede what any online site can provide. Examples of these are shown in his glider designs, powered gliders, scale models, concept craft, engineless prototypes, AND actual flying wings, some of which were converted to tail/rudder design for fear of being too radical/unsafe.

[Greed4Speed]

"I portrayed you as a person who seems unwilling to acknowledge the truth that even Northrup Grumman agrees with. I don't speak for him, I speak for the TRUTH that any sane person can learn from the records. documents, photographs and films that (German as well as American) that exist."

Not the truth, only your truth! Using the Germans, Northrup Grumman, & even Jack himself to back your falsehoods aren't in any way evidence just hearsay or what you think is true. I stand by my comments!

[historatia]

@Greed4Speed Of course you stand by your comment! I wouldn't expect you to do anything else! It is always the ignorant who are so absolutely certain of their views -- even when they are completely WRONG. There is so much direct contrary EVIDENCE to be found here on the web, including the 30's movies of the testing of the Horton "glider" versions that finally proved the stability design engineering, and interview with Hanna Reitsch who FLEW the power version in 1937. You're simply WRONG.

[Greed4Speed]

@historatia "including the 30's movies of the testing of the Horton "glider" versions that finally proved the stability design engineering.." So now we're finally discussing the Horton "gliders"? Suffice it to say, planes & gliders are not synonomous. These gliders were abundant during this era not only in Europe, but more so in the US starting with the Wright bros.

[Greed4Speed]

@historatia "Of course you stand by your comment! I wouldn't expect you to do anything else! It is always the ignorant who are so absolutely certain of their views -- even when they are completely WRONG." Yet you offer no solid evidence to support your claims! I'm still waiting for you to quote Jack Northrup admitting the Horton Bros. influenced his work; & I'm not talking 1930's gliders here.

[Greed4Speed]

@historatia Do you know why the Germans accelerated their wing aircraft to jet engine first of all? Find out the reason then we'll talk. Hint: it had to do with seeing a picture on a popular magazine of a familiar shaped aircraft. Up until the Ho229, most of the Horton designs were gliders. Jack Northrop was far ahead of the Horton in terms of solving the inherent stability issues in flying wing aircraft. Again, read up!

[historatia]

@Greed4Speed I don't propose to continue this conversation as it is too ridiculous for me. I know the FULL story including the names of the glider pilots (world champion gliders at the time) and the positioning of the props to motorize. I also know about the Luftwaffe involvement. The Germans had it flying with push props well BEFORE and Northrop AFTER that attempted the wind tunnel experiments. These failed and , being out of money, he stopped completely.

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[Greed4Speed]

Again I must applaud how selective of a reader you are. Are we still not bothering to listen in good faith to the validity claims? This is beyond redundant as I'm having to repeat myself. You want a quick-fix answers so there's no concentration/effort to understand the full historical account. Continue on with your 'cliffsnotes' sites, but in the meantime, pick up a book or two while your at it.

[Greed4Speed]

@historatia"I don't propose to continue this conversation as it is too ridiculous for me."Agreed. Having a one-sided argument& disproving something are two different things. It appears that no one could say anything contrary to your convenient beliefs about flying wings so it is not even worth continuing a dialogue with someone who is so single minded, contrarian, antagonistic and freely insults someone while letting their emotions get the better of them. Again, I stand by my comments!

[Greed4Speed]

Quit giving in to the hype surrounding this problematic prototype. Overall, it was a failure. And even given more time, it still would've failed. Other than being able to out flying pull planes (piston driven), it would never be as maneuverable as a true fighter. Hell, even today a P-51 mustang can out maneuvere any modern jet. This was nothing more than a one strike intercept. Could it have evolved into something else, perhaps. But Hitler was offensive minded; he liked fighters - not bombers

[Greed4Speed]

@Greed4Speed plus like all German jets at the time, once they ran out of fuel as they all did, they'd have to "glide" back to base or land at the nearest landing field.

[historatia]

@Greed4Speed Only true of the ME 138... The Me 262 came in with power but had to approach at low speed, making them vulnerable during that phase. I know because (after the war) as a 7 year old I LIVED in the destroyed officers mess of the Bad Zwischahn Luftwaffe base near Oldenburg, the only location from which the Me-138 was sent up. "Greed", you are a complete American jigoistic idiot, and I will not continue this conversation with someone so badly informed.

[Greed4Speed]

@historatia Again, what a selective reader! What I said about German jets was right on. You provided no rebuttal. You know, the only thing dumber than what one considers stupid is reading & commenting on what one considers idiotic. The question is: Don’t you have anything better to do with your time?

And by being 7 at the time, I guess you think that gives you more credibility; makes you an expert on the subject? Age in this case doesn't not mean wiser as proven in your immature name calling.

[Greed4Speed]

You appear to be racially insensitive& utterly immune to input that doesn't already jibe with your existing prejudices. I think I've already accurately addressed & understand your all-encompassing cynicism but why do you keep participating in a process you consider hopeless labeling factual pov's that differ from yours as "ignorant", wrong, or idiotic? Relying too much on idiotic slogans makes one wonder if the sloganeer has anything else in their repertoire.

[timsfun11]

@Greed4Speed From someone that has worked on stealth concepts and flying wing aircraft for 30+years, you sir are full of crap !

[Greed4Speed]

@timsfun11 Sure you did! Ya know, it was a pretty big leap going from Northrups winged bomber designs to the B-2; almost a 4 decade gap! With the advent of the B2, you want to reference what German engineers tried developing during ww2; what was hardly a functioning aircraft that by any other means, under more stable circumstance, would've been a prototype? If the US learned so much about "stealth" from Germany, why did it take them 4 decades to implement the technology? The F-117 was German? OK

[Greed4Speed]

People like you unthinkingly buys into any patently false soundbite that cravenly feeds their prejudices. If you dont like what someone's saying, don't listen; state your case &move on. But dont lazily cling to patent falsehoods & sleazy innuendos &then fool yourself into thinking you're one of the informed when it's basically based on stubborness. Adults have more responsibility to be informed, thinking individuals.A opinion driven by a lie or an idiotic slogan does everyone a gross disservice

[historatia]

@Greed4Speed Furthermore, when you claim that the US "perfected", you imply that the Horton IX (with or without Gotha enhancements) were not perfect enough for production. In fact the leftover in the Smithsonian is from the first production run. The tests had been very successful. Your implication seeks to draw credit to the US by diminishing the German originators. Its not historically correct, and absolutely uncalled for.

[Greed4Speed]

I did not imply any of that, but since you brought it up, the answer is yes; it was NOT ready for production & was still in a developmental phase. "Your implication seeks to draw credit to the US by diminishing the German originators. Its not historically correct, and absolutely uncalled for". I can't understand how you continue to misconstrue my commenting instead of taking it at face value. Do I have to go back and quote myself?

[historatia]

@Greed4Speed Well then, lets bet your "imprecise -- not implied -- opinion" straighter The Horton IX went into PRODUCTION as the Horton Gotha 229, How is not NOT production, and still in development. I am stating a simple FACT, not some ambiguous non-implication that can be mis-constructed.

[Greed4Speed]

Early German jets were not dependable, nor fuel efficient, nor safe, nor PRODUCTION READY. They caught fire, ran out of fuel and had to glide back to base, blew-up due to engine failure, etc...etc... Just it flew & was rushed into service does not mean it's production ready. If your at war and you have no other option it becomes an act of desperation. (continued...)

[Greed4Speed]

(continued) Here's a more current example: During the ATF program, Boeing went ahead & started producing the yf-23 even though it wasn't production ready nor did it win the ATF competition. It didn't win & the US went with the Lockheed yf-22. Both planes were NOT production ready. The yf-22 first flew in 1990 and didn't go into production until 2005. It's the same rule of thumb for all test planes. German jet engines were new tech plagued by problems & should have never been rushed into service

[Greed4Speed]

@historatia "Furthermore, when you claim that the US "perfected", you imply that the Horton IX..." Again, when I used the term "prefected" is was describing the ejection seat the US had developed that was based on the German model that is the standard design for most jets today. You use words like "fact" and play victim by saying my comments are "absolutely uncalled for" when you have no logical leg to stand on. & your comparisons to references I made on other subjects matter makes no sense!

[historatia]

@Greed4Speed "Based on the German Model" Nonsense. I was based on the more advanced SAAB model with the explosive system.

[Greed4Speed]

"Based on the German Model" Nonsense.

Now giving credit to the Germans is all of a sudden nonsense? Based on 'because-you-say-so,' or am I still trying to take away credit where credit is due? The American ejection seat was based on the German model; end of story!

[historatia]

@Greed4Speed To repeat. Jack Northrop did start to experiment in 1929, but he did NOT get the wing working, i.e. the experiment failed. The 1929 craft, when it flew did was NOT TAILLESS. Go read about it. So while I will not put words in your mouth I suggest that you should try putting INFORMED AND COMPLETE sentences through yours. You leave "implications" and "lack of clarity" all over the place!

[Greed4Speed]

How redundant can you be? Let me explain this to you: In places of higher learning, such as colleges and universities, everything you need to know about certain topics can't be explained online or 'googled'; that would be too easy. You have to actually read about them in things called books. Accusing me of "implying" and having a "lack of clarity" when on several occasions you've taken two completely different and unrelated topics I responded to and confused them with the other. Okay.

[fitspire]

@Greed4Speed This surely wasn't a stealth fighter as we would define it today.That's why Northrop tested it with the radar tech operational in Britain in 1945 (e.g. decimeter wavelength).Consider:radar tech was quite primitive thing then (compared to the '70s or today).The goal was to lower the allied's reaction time,and this plane achieved that.The problem with the Jumo-004 turbojet was the lack of materials like nickel or molybdenum. Therefore inspecton interval was reduced from 100h to 25h

[historatia]

@Greed4Speed More nonsense. First, The Germans didn't invent the ejection seat. They were the first to put it into a production model He 219. So what. Second, you don't need more than a slide rule and first year calculus to calculate radar cross sections.

[historatia]

@Greed4Speed You spew nonsense and embarrass yourself and those truthful Americans who prefer fact to your nonsensical jingoistic fiction. Why are you doing this. Do you have some kind of weird 'america-first' fantasy?

[Greed4Speed]

"Why do you embarrass yourself with this rubbish placing the US into the "first developer" position when they were NOT first..." Again, your competely misconstruing what I said. Let me reiterate: "First developer" was in reference to modern day stealth technology. As for ejection seats, I said the US perfected the German model but I'm sorry you failed to make that connection. For future reference, if your going to attack someone's comments, please know the source material before hand.

[TheJoshJman]

this is what the Nazis were hiding 60 years ago?....yeah right!!!!

I imagine Fox News as a guy with overalls shoveling bullshit at people...

[sanpedrohustler]

FORGET the high tech space-craft [ yes it's very cool] BUT, instead only focus your attention to the "News" commentator@38sec. and the "Guy" who is being interviewed@1:55 [watch them very very closely] Now I hope at this point you're open minded [these are reptilians] watch how their skin tones change[excitement or stress] the other will notice the other one is losing composure & shift attention off of that one[this happens alot] they are trying to acclimate you to thinking ufo's are man-made.

[Marathonmarch]

God I hate fox news they fucking lie all the time to promote their corporation agenda

[caxapable]

Nazi is like an eternal curse of our world. Is there a real ground of all these talkings...

[Marathonmarch]

@caxapable Yeah those Nazi scientist came here after the war worked in the rocket programs as well as the CIA, DIA, and many other so called intelligence agencies

[lwvok]

great vid