i have found a H.M.V record changer deck, with a garrard record changer deck, i think the speaker is dead, but the record player is fine, but the red and white wire needs changeing and the speed selector is stuck on 33.
@aljoco51 Hi. Your best bet for help is to visit the UK Vintage Radio Repair & Restoration Forum, where they have a section for old record players etc. They are very helpful and friendly on there and I'm sure they'll help you get it up and running in no time. The address is vintage (dash) radio (dot) net.
I have an Australian AWA Radiola that uses the same record changer. My speed selector is also seized could you please give me a couple of tips before I pull mine apart?
Once I've got mine up and running I'll post it and you'll see the similarities.
The speed selector will be seized up with old grease that congeales to glue! Take off the turntable (there's a circlip in the middle) some of the speed change mechanism will be visible there, and the rest is under the motor board. Strip it down as much as you can and clean off old grease with alcohol or WD40, then re grease / oil and reassemble. You may need penetrating oil to free very badly sticky grease. Good luck! Looking forward to seeing it!
@TheABCWarrior Hi! Thanks for the comments! The usual causes of slow running are the rubber idler wheel needing a clean with alcohol, or a resurface by carefully rubbing with very fine wet & dry paper. I'd also clean the inside of the rim of the turntable with alcohol. The other problem could be gummed up centre bearings - dismantle, clean off old grease & relube. Also soak the bronze bearing pressed in the centre of the platter with light oil for a few days ( I use cotton wool soaked in oil).
hey, i need some help, i have a bella musica record player, it has some tracking problems with the tone arm, it keeps staying in the same grove and wont move,
@nicolaj0154 It's most likely gummed up, either the arm pivots or the changer trip mechanism. WD40, or even alcohol or ammonia can dissolve the grease that was commonly used on these, though it would have to be re-lubricated after the cleaning. There are certainly other problems that could cause this, like insufficient tracking force, but gummed up works is the most likely problem with a turntable that has sat around for too many years.
@pyestudiocolour if you still have hum after that, replace the electrolytic filter capacitors (and any others in it, they aren't built to last like resistors and other components unless their ceramic disc type capacitors).
@pyestudiocolour If it has a metal arm, also make sure the cartridge connections aren't earthing out against inside the arm. My little portable player pulled a stunt on me earlier with a LOUD hum, and the cartridge had slipped back in its mount earthing out one of the cartridge terminals to the metal arm. And it does naturally hum by design (half wave rectifier and 12vdc off of one of the motor windings, solid state) but only very slightly., shouldn't hum much more than that even with valves.
here in the states charity thrift shops don't care about safety forms, they just want to make a sale. Beautiful changer and check turntable and cartridge grounding (earth connections!) if there is a questionable one it will hum, and it isn't mains hum it may be a ground (earth) that's come loose. Great old song too.
@grassulo Thanks for that! The charity shops are really hot on the health & safety here and won't usually sell electrical goods unless they've been PAT tested by a qualified person and most of the older equipment sadly just won't pass, even though often theres nothing unsafe about it, but a lot of second hand furniture / goods places aren't so fussy! Thanks for the tips about the earthing points to check - I'll get it back on the bench for another check over.
I am fascinated by the discussions about the mains hum. Speaking as the average man in the street with no electrical qualifications, I recall that a certain amount of mains hum was expected as the norm from these players with valve amplifiers. In fact when you first switched on, you waited for the hum so you would know it had 'warmed up'. Ahhhh.......memories. Smashing video.
@IVORIESMAN Thanks for the nice comments! I'm still in two minds about the hum, it just seems a little louder than it should be, but it could be I'm expecting too much. I'll have another look at it when I get a little time and try the tips from Garrard AT6 before any further electronic work!
I had one through here last year with the same colour cabinet and it had the same UA8 in the same colour! Don't forget the Conquest 'Auto' was the earlier model than the Conquest with the light up Dansette Badge. It should only have a single valve amp. The mains hum is a little louder than it should normally be...But not excessive! I say it again...What a Bargain!!! Great video!!! :)
@GarrardAT6 Thanks! You can find these bargains occasionally - last year my mother (who works in a charity shop) came home to say there was an old record player about tho be thrown out as it couldn't be sold for safety reasons. Needless to say, I went and offered them a good price and they let me have it - turns out it was a an early '60s Philco - stereo model with one speaker in a detchable lid! It needed a bit of work but is in superb condition - horrifiyting to think it was nearly skipped!
@GarrardAT6 I'm glad that you had one with the same combination of cabinet colour and deck - so it looks like this is original spec then! Excellent! The hum on this is certainly louder than I'd like - it could be down to me being tight and reforming the main electrolytic rather than replacing it! I'll dig it out and try a couple of new caps to see it it improves things.
@pyestudiocolour I was half asleep when I made the last comment...haha!!!
Sorry...Forgot to say...Before you do any more component work...First make sure the mains wiring to the switch and the audio from the pickup etc are routed away from the transformer and each other! Dansette had a habit of running them together right between the amp an the mains transformer and securing with a clip...'Mains induction' I've improved many this way! Worth a try first :)
I may well be wrong, but I think that the record changer on this Dansette has been replaced by an earlier unit, as all similar ones that I have seen have the UA14(see video by Roustabout). As far as I know, earlier Dansettes would have had the UA8.
@GEOFF0906 HI! I must admit when I saw it first, I was surprised that it had a UA8 changer (especially a silver one rather than a cream/gold one which would have matched better). I have since seen some Conquest Autos with UA8s fitted though, so perhaps earlier production ones had the UA8 and later ones the UA14? The silver one on mine does look a bit wrong, but maybe Dansette were just using up whatever decks they had around at the time, or as you say, it is an incorrect replacement deck.
@inshreds66 Well, I can't see the adverts when I view it, but apparently the rights to the song on the 78 played (Siegfired Line) belong to "Music Publishing Rights Collecting Society", so they presumably take revenue from the advertisers in exchange for allowing the music to be used. I think the ads only appear in certain countries. I didn't think such an old song would infringe anybody's copyright any more, but I must be wrong!
@pyestudiocolour no nor did I. That's why I was surprised by seeing them. It was Microsoft before, today it is also John Lewis and Duracell. I'm in the uk.
Hi, I've just bought a dansette drp 10 - it's in a bad way. I wonder if you know where I can purchase any relevant components such as needle/valve and so on?
@MarkPearey Hi! I get my needles from either A-V-A online or Musonic (both in the UK) who both have online shops. Another option is ebay, and you'll probably find a valve there too. If you need guidance in the restoration, look online for the UK Vintage Radio Repair & Restoration Forum - they have a section for record players etc which is very helpful. I hope it goes well!
Now This Is A VERY INTERESTING FIND! With The Original Ful-Fi TC8 Cartridge Too, I Had A Very Lucky Find Just The Other Day Myself, I Found A Dansette Senator In Original Untouched Condition And Working Perfectly Too All But A Little Re-Greasing On Turntable Mechanism, I Will Have It Checked Over Soon By My Electrical Friend. Have You Noticed With This Player That The Cartridge Seems To Reverbarate On Loud Parts Of Songs?
@ninjabluewings Sorry for the delay in replying! What a great find with the Dansette Senator - hope it passed muster with your electrically knowledgable friend! I haven't noticed any problems with the cartridge resonating on loud passages of music, but I've probably just been lucky with this one as some of the other TC8 cartridges I've had have been either dead or sounded dreadful.
@pyestudiocolour Hi Thanks For The Reply, At The Moment I Still Have Not Got The Electrical All Clear On It But It's On The ''To Do List'' It Might Be The Tracking Weight On The Pick Up Arm? I Do Have Another Record Player Made By Portadyne Which Has The Original TC8 And That Rattles Also On High Volume Parts, I Did Change The Tracking Weight To A Lighter Pressure Because I Noticed When I Played Vinyl Records It Seemed To Leave Heavy Tracks On The Grooves So That Could Be The Cause Maybe?
@bluenazz It's a valve amplifier using a single ECL82 valve and solid state rectifier (originally a Westinghouse metal one, but now replaced with a 1N4007 diode and 100 ohm resistor). It gives fairly decent sound for such a simple design!
@pyestudiocolour Thanks Neil! I used to have a Westinghouse unit when I was a kid that was a one valve amp like that and it had a BSR turntable as well.
@sideshowtink Hi Tink, I'm glad you like it! Although it's not the best sounding player I have, it's one of my favourites as I had one very similar as a child (it was blue though). I have a similar Dansette in light green awaiting repair, which has a radio built in. I can't wait to get it fixed up!
Cute record player & record. Usually if changing all the internal parts hasn't corrected the hum it's got to be a grounding issue. One of the leads coming out of the cartridge may need to be grounded to the bottom of the turntable, connect it to a plate with a screw, that's if u can't find a green wire to attach to it.. even better that way..
@CrisVangel Thanks for that, Cris. I'll have another look at it as soon as I have a spare moment. It does sound like a grounding problem, so I'll experiment with a length of wire to see if that cures it. Cheers! Neil
@chompo7 Thanks for that. Yes sadly, by the 70s, BSR seemed to have moved over to flimsy plastic rather than the quality metal assemblies which came before. I guess it was a money saving thing, to try and stay competitive with the players coming in from Japan etc. A sad end to the company really. They were based about 15 miles from here in the Black Country and were a major employer in the area - they closed down in the early '80s.
wished i had one of these nice changers in working condition, i cant find the right place to find them,
nicolaj0154 3 weeks ago
i have found a H.M.V record changer deck, with a garrard record changer deck, i think the speaker is dead, but the record player is fine, but the red and white wire needs changeing and the speed selector is stuck on 33.
nicolaj0154 1 month ago
Hi don,t know if anyone will receive this as i am not used to all this.
I,ve just watched the vid on the Dansette Conquest which was brill.
It prompted me to dig out my old Dansette Bermuda with its' stereo add-on amp.
A lot of the wires from inside the units have come unsoldered but i don't know what goes where, i think i need wiring diagram or a skip.
Can anyone help please.
aljoco51 3 months ago
@aljoco51 Hi. Your best bet for help is to visit the UK Vintage Radio Repair & Restoration Forum, where they have a section for old record players etc. They are very helpful and friendly on there and I'm sure they'll help you get it up and running in no time. The address is vintage (dash) radio (dot) net.
pyestudiocolour 3 months ago
Hi Great vid!
I have an Australian AWA Radiola that uses the same record changer. My speed selector is also seized could you please give me a couple of tips before I pull mine apart?
Once I've got mine up and running I'll post it and you'll see the similarities.
Thanks.
Frogstar64 4 months ago
@Frogstar64 Thanks for that!
The speed selector will be seized up with old grease that congeales to glue! Take off the turntable (there's a circlip in the middle) some of the speed change mechanism will be visible there, and the rest is under the motor board. Strip it down as much as you can and clean off old grease with alcohol or WD40, then re grease / oil and reassemble. You may need penetrating oil to free very badly sticky grease. Good luck! Looking forward to seeing it!
pyestudiocolour 4 months ago
>safety tests
Safety is for faggots. I only buy things that are 95% guaranteed to kill me.
Apoc897 6 months ago
@TheABCWarrior Hi! Thanks for the comments! The usual causes of slow running are the rubber idler wheel needing a clean with alcohol, or a resurface by carefully rubbing with very fine wet & dry paper. I'd also clean the inside of the rim of the turntable with alcohol. The other problem could be gummed up centre bearings - dismantle, clean off old grease & relube. Also soak the bronze bearing pressed in the centre of the platter with light oil for a few days ( I use cotton wool soaked in oil).
pyestudiocolour 6 months ago
hey, i need some help, i have a bella musica record player, it has some tracking problems with the tone arm, it keeps staying in the same grove and wont move,
nicolaj0154 7 months ago
@nicolaj0154 It's most likely gummed up, either the arm pivots or the changer trip mechanism. WD40, or even alcohol or ammonia can dissolve the grease that was commonly used on these, though it would have to be re-lubricated after the cleaning. There are certainly other problems that could cause this, like insufficient tracking force, but gummed up works is the most likely problem with a turntable that has sat around for too many years.
lrd9999 2 months ago
@pyestudiocolour if you still have hum after that, replace the electrolytic filter capacitors (and any others in it, they aren't built to last like resistors and other components unless their ceramic disc type capacitors).
grassulo 8 months ago
@pyestudiocolour If it has a metal arm, also make sure the cartridge connections aren't earthing out against inside the arm. My little portable player pulled a stunt on me earlier with a LOUD hum, and the cartridge had slipped back in its mount earthing out one of the cartridge terminals to the metal arm. And it does naturally hum by design (half wave rectifier and 12vdc off of one of the motor windings, solid state) but only very slightly., shouldn't hum much more than that even with valves.
grassulo 8 months ago
here in the states charity thrift shops don't care about safety forms, they just want to make a sale. Beautiful changer and check turntable and cartridge grounding (earth connections!) if there is a questionable one it will hum, and it isn't mains hum it may be a ground (earth) that's come loose. Great old song too.
grassulo 8 months ago
@grassulo Thanks for that! The charity shops are really hot on the health & safety here and won't usually sell electrical goods unless they've been PAT tested by a qualified person and most of the older equipment sadly just won't pass, even though often theres nothing unsafe about it, but a lot of second hand furniture / goods places aren't so fussy! Thanks for the tips about the earthing points to check - I'll get it back on the bench for another check over.
pyestudiocolour 8 months ago
I want one of these but keep getting outbid on Ebay!!
perrodog11 8 months ago
ithankyou
mintmarshall 10 months ago
mine is like a toaster after 1hr...curious hows yours will be hot wise after this time under the metal deck plate and underneath..
loyboy1979 11 months ago
Does it get hot
loyboy1979 11 months ago
@loyboy1979 Hi. No, it doesn't get particularly hot, just pleasantly warm!
pyestudiocolour 11 months ago
I am fascinated by the discussions about the mains hum. Speaking as the average man in the street with no electrical qualifications, I recall that a certain amount of mains hum was expected as the norm from these players with valve amplifiers. In fact when you first switched on, you waited for the hum so you would know it had 'warmed up'. Ahhhh.......memories. Smashing video.
IVORIESMAN 1 year ago
@IVORIESMAN Thanks for the nice comments! I'm still in two minds about the hum, it just seems a little louder than it should be, but it could be I'm expecting too much. I'll have another look at it when I get a little time and try the tips from Garrard AT6 before any further electronic work!
pyestudiocolour 1 year ago
Oh...Fantastic! What a Bargain!!!
I had one through here last year with the same colour cabinet and it had the same UA8 in the same colour! Don't forget the Conquest 'Auto' was the earlier model than the Conquest with the light up Dansette Badge. It should only have a single valve amp. The mains hum is a little louder than it should normally be...But not excessive! I say it again...What a Bargain!!! Great video!!! :)
GarrardAT6 1 year ago
@GarrardAT6 Thanks! You can find these bargains occasionally - last year my mother (who works in a charity shop) came home to say there was an old record player about tho be thrown out as it couldn't be sold for safety reasons. Needless to say, I went and offered them a good price and they let me have it - turns out it was a an early '60s Philco - stereo model with one speaker in a detchable lid! It needed a bit of work but is in superb condition - horrifiyting to think it was nearly skipped!
pyestudiocolour 1 year ago
@GarrardAT6 I'm glad that you had one with the same combination of cabinet colour and deck - so it looks like this is original spec then! Excellent! The hum on this is certainly louder than I'd like - it could be down to me being tight and reforming the main electrolytic rather than replacing it! I'll dig it out and try a couple of new caps to see it it improves things.
Cheers, Neil.
pyestudiocolour 1 year ago
@pyestudiocolour I was half asleep when I made the last comment...haha!!!
Sorry...Forgot to say...Before you do any more component work...First make sure the mains wiring to the switch and the audio from the pickup etc are routed away from the transformer and each other! Dansette had a habit of running them together right between the amp an the mains transformer and securing with a clip...'Mains induction' I've improved many this way! Worth a try first :)
GarrardAT6 1 year ago
@GarrardAT6 Thanks for that - I'll get it back onto the bench and have a look!
pyestudiocolour 1 year ago
I may well be wrong, but I think that the record changer on this Dansette has been replaced by an earlier unit, as all similar ones that I have seen have the UA14(see video by Roustabout). As far as I know, earlier Dansettes would have had the UA8.
GEOFF0906 1 year ago
@GEOFF0906 HI! I must admit when I saw it first, I was surprised that it had a UA8 changer (especially a silver one rather than a cream/gold one which would have matched better). I have since seen some Conquest Autos with UA8s fitted though, so perhaps earlier production ones had the UA8 and later ones the UA14? The silver one on mine does look a bit wrong, but maybe Dansette were just using up whatever decks they had around at the time, or as you say, it is an incorrect replacement deck.
pyestudiocolour 1 year ago
Why has your video got adverts plastered over and around it? Has some commercial body laid claim to the name Dansette? Or is it the mention of HMV?
inshreds66 1 year ago
@inshreds66 Well, I can't see the adverts when I view it, but apparently the rights to the song on the 78 played (Siegfired Line) belong to "Music Publishing Rights Collecting Society", so they presumably take revenue from the advertisers in exchange for allowing the music to be used. I think the ads only appear in certain countries. I didn't think such an old song would infringe anybody's copyright any more, but I must be wrong!
pyestudiocolour 1 year ago
@pyestudiocolour no nor did I. That's why I was surprised by seeing them. It was Microsoft before, today it is also John Lewis and Duracell. I'm in the uk.
inshreds66 1 year ago
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inshreds66 1 year ago
nice find Neil!
mystic4fred 1 year ago
@mystic4fred Thanks! It's always nice to find something like this lurking in a charity shop or at a car boot sale!
pyestudiocolour 1 year ago
Hi, I've just bought a dansette drp 10 - it's in a bad way. I wonder if you know where I can purchase any relevant components such as needle/valve and so on?
Any help would really support the restoration.
MarkPearey 1 year ago
@MarkPearey Hi! I get my needles from either A-V-A online or Musonic (both in the UK) who both have online shops. Another option is ebay, and you'll probably find a valve there too. If you need guidance in the restoration, look online for the UK Vintage Radio Repair & Restoration Forum - they have a section for record players etc which is very helpful. I hope it goes well!
pyestudiocolour 1 year ago
Now This Is A VERY INTERESTING FIND! With The Original Ful-Fi TC8 Cartridge Too, I Had A Very Lucky Find Just The Other Day Myself, I Found A Dansette Senator In Original Untouched Condition And Working Perfectly Too All But A Little Re-Greasing On Turntable Mechanism, I Will Have It Checked Over Soon By My Electrical Friend. Have You Noticed With This Player That The Cartridge Seems To Reverbarate On Loud Parts Of Songs?
ninjabluewings 1 year ago
@ninjabluewings Sorry for the delay in replying! What a great find with the Dansette Senator - hope it passed muster with your electrically knowledgable friend! I haven't noticed any problems with the cartridge resonating on loud passages of music, but I've probably just been lucky with this one as some of the other TC8 cartridges I've had have been either dead or sounded dreadful.
pyestudiocolour 1 year ago
@pyestudiocolour Hi Thanks For The Reply, At The Moment I Still Have Not Got The Electrical All Clear On It But It's On The ''To Do List'' It Might Be The Tracking Weight On The Pick Up Arm? I Do Have Another Record Player Made By Portadyne Which Has The Original TC8 And That Rattles Also On High Volume Parts, I Did Change The Tracking Weight To A Lighter Pressure Because I Noticed When I Played Vinyl Records It Seemed To Leave Heavy Tracks On The Grooves So That Could Be The Cause Maybe?
ninjabluewings 1 year ago
Very good sound! And of course, a great song of this era :-) nice version, very British.
camille885 1 year ago
Hi Neil
Such gem with Arther Askey -I have this on reel to Reel and on the box set but its so nice to hear it on 78.
Warm regards
Richard
spannerworks1 1 year ago
@spannerworks1 Hi Richard,
I've been trying to collect Arthur Askey 78s for a while, but they seem quite thin on the ground for some reason. I'll keep on searching!
Warm Regards, Neil.
pyestudiocolour 1 year ago
@pyestudiocolour
Neil
Ebay might be a sauce my friend ?
Regards and great channel
Richard
spannerworks1 1 year ago
I think that it sounds very good! Does it have valves, like a one valve amp or is it solid state?
bluenazz 1 year ago
@bluenazz It's a valve amplifier using a single ECL82 valve and solid state rectifier (originally a Westinghouse metal one, but now replaced with a 1N4007 diode and 100 ohm resistor). It gives fairly decent sound for such a simple design!
pyestudiocolour 1 year ago
@pyestudiocolour Thanks Neil! I used to have a Westinghouse unit when I was a kid that was a one valve amp like that and it had a BSR turntable as well.
bluenazz 1 year ago
It really is a lovely piece! What a magical looking player!
sideshowtink 1 year ago
@sideshowtink Hi Tink, I'm glad you like it! Although it's not the best sounding player I have, it's one of my favourites as I had one very similar as a child (it was blue though). I have a similar Dansette in light green awaiting repair, which has a radio built in. I can't wait to get it fixed up!
Neil.
pyestudiocolour 1 year ago
Cute record player & record. Usually if changing all the internal parts hasn't corrected the hum it's got to be a grounding issue. One of the leads coming out of the cartridge may need to be grounded to the bottom of the turntable, connect it to a plate with a screw, that's if u can't find a green wire to attach to it.. even better that way..
CrisVangel 1 year ago
@CrisVangel Thanks for that, Cris. I'll have another look at it as soon as I have a spare moment. It does sound like a grounding problem, so I'll experiment with a length of wire to see if that cures it. Cheers! Neil
pyestudiocolour 1 year ago
very nice and that bsr changer is great too.too bad in the 70's bsr degraded to garbage
at least here in the usa.
chompo7 1 year ago
@chompo7 Thanks for that. Yes sadly, by the 70s, BSR seemed to have moved over to flimsy plastic rather than the quality metal assemblies which came before. I guess it was a money saving thing, to try and stay competitive with the players coming in from Japan etc. A sad end to the company really. They were based about 15 miles from here in the Black Country and were a major employer in the area - they closed down in the early '80s.
pyestudiocolour 1 year ago