Someone is clearly lying here. Although they manage to remain civil, Gage and Thomas agree on virtually no facts. So we are left in doubt as to what the facts are.
This leaves us, the listeners in doubt as to what happened. And when in doubt investigate.
Clearly, Richard Gage clearly won this debate because he wants another investigation.
I really don't like conspiracies, mostly because the majority of them are ridiculous. But when the accepted truth makes less sense than the conspiracy I think it's worth checking out. The fact that I thought was most interesting was that steel framed high rises have never collapsed do to fire in their history and then suddenly 3 happen all on the same day. And it really does seem like public awareness is being diverted away from building 7. Who knows, I wish they had a better investigation.
I am a proud member of Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice and I'd just like to say that I thought Ian was very civil and fair to all his guests and to his callers. I have studied this for about six years now and I have a good basic understanding of the politics behind the attack so I can certainly understand that he had a few "Why" questions. Unfortunately Gage had to refrain from talking about possible motives and suspects because it goes out of his scope of expertise. It was a good interview.
It doesn't matter, we can debate this till the end of time. This will never be given even the most rudimentary investigation. The government has made sure of that by immediately disposing of the evidence. This hasn't even gotten the type of investigation that goes on for a minor crime that goes to court. Dismissed eyewitness accounts and contamination of evidence just like JFK's assassination, Oklahoma city bombing, Waco TX, TWA Flight 800. The government knows it can get away with anything.
Look at insider trading before this event. The John Oneil "coincedence". Sooo many eyewitnesses. Might want to start protecting them because they are dropping like flies. What about pentagon and shanksville? Nothing at all makes sense or adds up and that is the plan. Confusion on all sides gives the perps a little something called plausible deniability! That is all these criminals ever need. P.D. no matter how rediculous it may be keeps them safe. Rise up or become a slave forever.
I don't get it. If these physicists are studying the same thing, why are they all coming up with different conclusions? Dave has not by any means convinced me, a non-physicist, that Osama and Khalied made the towers fall.
REGARDLESS, inside job or not, it still has UNANSWERED questions, and if they are answered, guess where that will probably lead?
READ THIS COMMENT. Everybody on this show was ill equiped with their information. If you really want to know what happened on 9/11 then go to Block Buster or Net Flix and rent the movie " 9/11 in plane site." This is by far the most conclusive movie . Not only why the structures fell, but who were the planners, the origional people that decided to demolish the trade towers and a lot of info. from the pentagon. And why a 757 made a 10 ft. deep hole in penn. and then the plane disapeared.
READ THIS COMMENT. Everybody on this show was ill equiped with their information. If you really want to know what happened on 9/11 then go to Block Buster or Net Flix and rent the movie " 9/11 in plane site." This is by far the most conclusive movie . Not only why the structures fell, but who was the planners, the origional people that decided to demolish the trade towers and a lot of info. from the pentagon. And why a 757 made a 10 ft. deep hole in penn. and then the plane disapeared.
there is plenty of reaon to invetigate further and the fact that its not proves gov involvment. did you know that if a person dies of natural causes there wil still be an autopsy and investigation by the gov. What happen here?
Guys like Ian and George Noory have to appear to support the official story if they want to keep their jobs, and keep Coast from being blacklisted. They're both smart guys, have alot of contacts through shows like coast, and get alot of inside info. Don't think for a second that they are stupid enough to believe this bullshit.
That last caller was VERY astute, and I think he left a great impact on the finality of the debate. He re-highlighted some of the most important factors - that the speed of the towers collapsing could NOT be explained without the prior removal of the large majority of the support columns below the impact zone. Remember, the vast majority of the building below the impact was still entirely intact. With no planted explosives it could not have fallen, simple physics.
good im glad to see that most of the comments im reading are from intelligent people demanding an investigation. If there are still questions unasnwered then obviously the investigation is incomplete at best...a conspiracy at worst.
send a link to breathariansarefake's channel to friends show them the template for how to spot and call out paid commentors - dont argue with their attacks, they are paid to drag us into emotional reactions and petty arguments. This video speaks for itself, no one with a brain takes people like this guys comments seriously
And its published in the ever trustworthy Journal of 9/11 Studies. I would recommend everyone also do research in the Journal of Creation Science. If you want equally plausible BS.
its so pathetic. each time a caller backs up either Richard or niels he questions them before asking the experts but when its someone who is in league with dave thomas he lets them off...
Its too bad Dave didn't bring up that the Journal of 9/11 Studies is a sham created by Jones to look like a real journal while being nothing more than made up of CT kooks who agree with him.
I wonder why these guys can't get this "science" published in real journals?
The 'Active Thermite' paper by Harrit and co. is in Bentham Open Science Journal. The only argument against the thermite discovery was that it wasn't peer reviewed work. Now that it's published, no one seems to be willing / able to refute it via the same process. Thomas has made it clear, the gov. and it's supporters' fall back argument is now 'because we say so'. No one heard explosions, no one saw molten steel, WTC7 wasn't free fall, it's not really thermite, etc. etc.
Bentham is a known sham. They implement no peer review & they spam for contributors w/o any expertise. See the dozens of articles in real journals, & professional organizations that back the "official story"
The bottom line is it's published and NO ONE has refuted it. Congrats as your position as 'self appointed guardian of the status quo' but all your hand waving and dismissiveness doesn't address the evidence.
Furthermore, after 9yrs. I've yet to hear a gov. cheerleader explain specifically what evidence the gov. has proving it's own conspiracy theory? Maybe you can take a crack at it?
If you're saying the Harrit paper has been elsewhere, please provide a source. As for the reports, they don't even attempt to explain what dismembered the buildings down to the ground, they only felt it necessary to address collapse inititation which they explained with computer modeling no one is allowed to see. All the while the US gov. IGNORED evidence of thermite, iron spheres, molten metal, witness testimonies and oh yeah, WTC7 until someone reminded them it fell.
oh, the FEMA which arrived on September 10th, 2001? Go away paid commentor. NSA needs to find a new tactic.
this guy is a paid commentor. Look at his channel to see the profile of a paid troll - also note the Glenn Beckish word choice and offensive, lone wolf style - all his posts are on 911 vids, even though he obviously opposes a new investigation so shouldnt care. Back under the bridge
Yawn..Wow Loose Change woo? Only been debunked like 5 years now. But yeah they openly admitted to arriving 1 day early, like Silverstein admitting on national TV he committed fraud.
But of course you will believe FEMA when they say that but not when they correct themselves. Cherry pick your way through reality. Bona fide 9/11 truth!
Don't listen to interlovpol. He's a paid shill trying to distract everyone from the devil causing 9/11. Must be true...I said so.
'Because they know gravity pulls down.' - Yeah, so what force was present that hurled 2-ton beams laterally? If you say 'they bounced', go to room and don't come out for a year.
'Have you asked?' - Maybe you should have listened to the whole program.
'evidence" which fails to meet academic standards' - should be easy to refute then but it hasn't.
Serious thing your working on, this wall of ignorance to prevent people from knowing the truth, shame you'll never finish it.
'Because they know gravity pulls down.' - Yeah, so what force was present that hurled 2-ton beams laterally?
'because no one has to. no one wastes their time with creationists "research" either.' - So Jones, Harrit and the rest of them are falsifying their research?
I just love how truthers continually pile on more conspirators. Not only do we now have ACE in on it, but steel workers who put aluminum in place of steel. What is the number now? 10K people in on it?
How many people were in on the Manhattan project? With three steel skyscrapers entirely dismembered, testimonies of pools of molten metal, 118 firefighters reporting explosions, intergranular melting of steel, explosive material and iron spheres in the dust, news anchors saying they looked like CD's being fire has NEVER brought down a steel structure and still...NIST found no reason to even TEST the CD hypoth. Stalin is running things in the US and he thanks you.
@kc0696 Comparing weapons development to killing a few thousand civilians clandestinely. Yeah...great comparison. "entirely dismembered" Stop lying. thewebfairy[dot]com/killtown/images/wtc7/wtc7_debris[dot]jpg "pools of molten metal" Which could be anything molten. Eyesight is not a chemical analysis. "118 firefighters reporting explosions" Which happen in fires. " intergranular melting of steel, " in only 2 pieces of steel and was nowhere near th temp of thermite
@kc0696 "explosive material" Wrong thermite is not explosive..not to mention it hasn't passed peer review and the authors avoid it. " iron spheres " Which are also the result of welding. " news anchors saying they looked like CD's" Get a 3rd grade education and learn what a simile is. " fire has NEVER brought down a steel structure" Stop lying. Kader Toy Factory, Sight & Sound Theater in PA, Oakland Overpass Collapse...more? "NIST found no reason to even TEST" Which they explained why.
Thomas keeps defending the point the twin towers only fell at 2/3 gravity as though it's at all relevant. The fact the collapses were uniform and complete all the way to the ground is a physical impossibility due to fires and gravity alone. As for the sprinklers being knocked out by falling N. tower debris, Thomas has no way of validating that. I believe David Griffin mentioned in his latest book that 7's fire alarm system was de-activated early morning before the first plane hit.
@kc0696 No, the top part of the buildings disintegration. The collapse starting at the points of impact should not be confused with a legitimate building collapse. Thermate or plastic explosives will not detonate from fire alone, they need an electrical charge to go off. The building were destroyed from the top down.
First you cant know its uniform since you cant see through the debris cloud and 2 its patently false anyway since the steel spire remained after the cloud dissipated.
Impact damage / fires were assymetrical yet towers fell evenly, floor by floor, totally dismembering themselves. I marvel that Thomas came to the table with the 'pile driver' theory, there simply were no floors stacking. As Gage states, the top portions above impact disintigrated in first 4 seconds and ignoring that fact implies motives outside of truth. The 'steel' spire met the same fate, literally disintigrating into dust on live TV. Google "Strange collapse of the spire".
Paid NSA troll cyberspook. Anyone wanna know how to spot the pathetic cointel posters? Look at this dudes channel - there is one of these assigned to every 911 truth vid - call em out, dont argue with them as they are paid to lead you in circles. Fucking tools.
Thomas and co. expect us to believe that, although the towers were designed to withstand large plane impacts, the designers never considered the planes would have fuel. Even still, they have yet to explain how that fuel, combined with office material, could achieve temps hot enough to weaken steel when steel is used PRECISELY for the purpose of wicking heat away should fires occur. As for the buildings totally dismemeber themeselves down to the ground, that enters the realm of magic.
It was designed to resist an impact of a 707 lost in the fog looking to land. Not a 767 flying at around 500 MPH fully fueled (Les Robertson, Head Structural Engineer for the WTC).
"they have yet to explain how that fuel, combined with office material, could achieve temps hot enough to weaken steel "
I guess thats why they fire proof structural steel.
Richard Gage is a very strong accuser during of his lectures. but he would not say on national radio that Neil Bush was the owner of the security company for the world trade center complex that day until the end of September 2001. if he would have just said that then Dave Thomas would have had no defense
b/c that would have proved opportunity to place explosives.
@zrocks2001 Gage is not a good debator. Thomas, a liar, mentioned many times how hot the fires were, and how much damage a plane caused. Gage could refer D.T. to flight 93(sod in hole and a red bandana, undamaged) and he could cite the Pentagon windows intact where engines would strike.
Richard Gage plays a very good game here. Asking for a new investigation that a) There's no reason for 2) If there was, and reached the same conclusions,it still wouldn't be accepted.
Gage will never actually do anything himself. He can play the "hero" by demanding a new investigation.
He couldn't answer any straight questions. Instead, obfuscates and throws mud. His answer for tough questions is: "Well that's why I need someone else do do my work for me!". He and Harrit are wastes of space.
@ScottishAtheist I disagree. This topic is sensitive beyond measure. And so, any speculation by Richard Gage would derail the discussion faster than you could say 'inside job'! :)
Ian Punnett continued to interrupt Richard Gage & Niels Harrit as he sided with Dave Thomas & Kim Johnson. If you don't want intelligent debates, don't have guests! We get enough of this form of one-sided lopsidedness from the mainstream media. I've been listening to the radio lately for my news and this has been the worst interview on record. Shut up once in awhile and let your guests have their say. The only other option is to "Fire" Ian Punnett. Then, he will see freefall speed in real-time.
@ScottishAtheist Well, it's his show and while he's on it, he can talk over any guest he has on his show. It's something called 'free speech' :-) I'm glad we still have 'free speech' in America today. Truthers sounds like a pretty good name. Who doesn't seek the truth these days? I wonder if Truthers is a combination of Truth Seekers. Is it? Anyway, I'm all for even-sided debates. Rather than being a Pulitzer seeking mediator, Ian decided to side with his friends and make it 3 to 2.
@ScottishAtheist Well, it's his show and while he's on it, he can talk over any guest he has on his show. It's something called 'free speech' :-) I'm glad we still have 'free speech' in America today. Truthers sounds like a pretty good name. Who doesn't seek the truth these days? I wonder if Truthers is a combination of Truth Seekers. Is it? Anyway, I'm all for even-sided debates. Rather than being a Pulitzer seeking mediator, Ian decided to side with his friends and make it 3 to 2. Fit like?
@samlaunch Free speech is about protecting citizens against governments, not private property or businesses. Anyway, "Truther" sounds quite a nice name, but having Truth in the name, and actually telling the truth are two different things. I don't think I've seen a Truther live up to his moniker yet.
The host had his opinions sure, but he was still very fair. Gage was given a lot of air time, and was wasting it pussy footing around. The host was getting frustrated with his dodging, so was I.
@ScottishAtheist Protecting citizens against atheists. You say your Scottish. Did you catch my Doric. Fit like/Fitya dee'in... As far as truth goes, I do my own research and come to my conclusions based on personal experience as far as trusting the government goes. Whenever, they try to hide things, I believe everything they've stated on a certain subject is a lie. Lately, I just haven't heard them tell the truth on anything, such as, this US Depression, inflation, unemployment, etc. long list.
@samlaunch change "your" to "you're". Back to the US government, I would like to hear them tell the truth once in awhile. Lately, I haven't heard any truths, just more lies. If you've heard them tell the truth recently, tell me about it. And, I'm more concerned about Hyperinflation happening in America. As usual, I watch the US Dollar Index for a break under 80. Once we break under 80, it's back to the last low of 72. After hovering near 72, I expect a collapse in confidence. History says so :-)
Guys, I just constructed a computer model that actually shows a colon running up in Dave Thomas' head. In this working computer generated model...you can actually witness the B.S. travelling out from the brain, down the colon, out the mouth and through the liver-lips where all truth is removed as waste matter. This is irrepfutable as my computer was able to generate this as fact.
What is consistent in this and all other interview for and against the official line is that the official line is always supported by convoluted and often evasive arguments while those who disagree with the oficial line present simple, straightfowward logic.
Thomas: "There is no controlled demolition that gradually pulls the outer walls in". To say he can see this process occurring in photos is ABSURD. At the same time, he insists fires brought down 3 steel structures without a SINGLE precedent. And to be sure, these buildings did not just collapse, they were completely dismembered while the concrete floors were pulverized. As for the 'spires' or columns remaining after collapse, you can see these remaining STEEL members disentegrate in seconds.
It's really says a lot when you can have such a piss poor moderator and I use this term very generously, Ian needs to find another job, whenever he didn't like what richard had to say he would leave the scientific fact arena to ask the speculative who/what/why questions, and yes of course fireman, police, EMT, paramedics, and others who all testify to hearing explosions are not really valid, but computer models are, the emergency personal testimonies are questionable but the programers are not !
It's interesting that Dave Thomas says he agrees with Richard Gage about finding out who killed those 3 thousand people. Hmm, if you believe every part of the official story then you already know who killed those 3000 people. This proves in his heart he has doubt as to who killed the 3000 and that is how he lies for an hour and then sleeps at night. He pretends he wants to know the killers, but does everything to stop a new investigation...lies always surface.
I'm not a violent person, but I'd sure like to slap the stupidity out of these lying "Physicists". It's one of the sickest lies I've ever seen perpetuated. Kim Johnson and Dave Thomas have sold any integrity which they might have previously had. I'm not sure they ever had it in the first place. You won't get away with this lie too much longer.
6 of the 10 9/11 commissioners have stated publicly that they believe there was a cover up and a criminal investigation into the bush administration should ensue.
The silver lining to this debate is that listeners will become aware the official government story of what transpired on 9/11 doesn’t hold water. It is abundantly clear that Dave Thomas and Kim Johnson’s arguments against/rebuttals to the 9/11 truth side, as represented by Richard Gage and Niels Harrit, do not stand up to scrutiny. Furthermore, the host, Ian Punnett, is clearly skewed in his questioning/statements in favor of the official story perspective.
If there is nothing to hide, then why don’t we have a truly independent investigation into what happened on 9/11 leaving no stone unturned until every angle has been exhausted? Common sense. Why was thermite/nanothermite found in the WTC dust? Documented fact, not fiction.
@grandmastershek Isn't the official story just a conspiracy theory??? I mean does anyone know what really happened? people conspired to make it happen and others in government and working for give a theory so yes it is an official conspiracy theory but thank you for your view.
After listening to Dave Thomas explain the collapse of the core columns, he clearly is not professional and is only trying to refute every single question no matter how crazy his explanation might be. Truly embarrassing to listen to.
Gage remained professional in his responses and Punnett was definitely there to try and cast doubt on Gage's arguments.
I'm suspicious when a "scientific" person does not even seem curious about physical evidence that is presented to them. It's a "partiality red flag." Architects/Engineers make a very powerful case (peer-reviewed) for evidence of explosives used in the Towers, and they did well here, even when the other side was given time to talk, and A/E had to wait to respond, or was not even get a chance to comment on some real whoppers. The host kept insisting they say WHO and WHY. I admire A/E's restraint.
@vinnykster Right on! Some of these callers are fantastic, totally know their shit! I love how Gage was able to answer that there are indeed seismic recordings of the sub-basement explosions. Ian was caught unaware and moved quickly on to the next question.
Seems like every time this show has a rather heated segment it is conveniently 'cut off'. Either the gov truly is listening in and wants them to shut up or the program directors do it on purpose for just that dramatic effect. Again, Thanks for Posting, world.
Yeah I thought the host was bein an ass with regards to the testimony of people hearing explosives. It's like HELLO IAN! They said they heard cxplosives! You callin them all lyars? All of them? I don't care if they were scientists or not! They were there and they heard fuckin explosions! Period! Gage won this debate before he even opened his mouth. That Dave Thomas is yet another useful idiot in the form of a wannabe scientist. Junk scientist is more like it. Gage won hands down!
Too bad they didn't bring on a conspiracy expert like Jim Marrs or Alex Jones to expand on the speculative details of the conspiracy. Punnett shows his stripes when attacking Gage for specifics that don't exist... knowing, Gage has maintained his credibility and scientific objectivity, by avoiding these more speculative subjects. Weak... Wizzzeak.
I agree. I could have answered all of those quesions. It does appear that Ian was trying to lead Gage into these types of arguments when it is clearly not Richard's line of expertise...
It is beyond obviously clear, Ian was directing the questions and responses towards the "official story"!
His questions and his direction were forced on him, he was reading his bosses notes, they were not his own!
We must thank Ian for being so blatantly obvious and committed in the official story which has obviously real engineering holes, major holes.. When the host directs the direction - FLAGS UP!
All C to C has been compromised - stifled. Beware...
11:30 "Dave and I agree that planes hit the towers." What an idiot Gage...
dsemencar 5 months ago
Someone is clearly lying here. Although they manage to remain civil, Gage and Thomas agree on virtually no facts. So we are left in doubt as to what the facts are.
This leaves us, the listeners in doubt as to what happened. And when in doubt investigate.
Clearly, Richard Gage clearly won this debate because he wants another investigation.
152czar 6 months ago
I really don't like conspiracies, mostly because the majority of them are ridiculous. But when the accepted truth makes less sense than the conspiracy I think it's worth checking out. The fact that I thought was most interesting was that steel framed high rises have never collapsed do to fire in their history and then suddenly 3 happen all on the same day. And it really does seem like public awareness is being diverted away from building 7. Who knows, I wish they had a better investigation.
DGoose33 10 months ago
I am a proud member of Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice and I'd just like to say that I thought Ian was very civil and fair to all his guests and to his callers. I have studied this for about six years now and I have a good basic understanding of the politics behind the attack so I can certainly understand that he had a few "Why" questions. Unfortunately Gage had to refrain from talking about possible motives and suspects because it goes out of his scope of expertise. It was a good interview.
dommyboysinjapan 1 year ago
Rigged ending
Jaffsickle 1 year ago
It doesn't matter, we can debate this till the end of time. This will never be given even the most rudimentary investigation. The government has made sure of that by immediately disposing of the evidence. This hasn't even gotten the type of investigation that goes on for a minor crime that goes to court. Dismissed eyewitness accounts and contamination of evidence just like JFK's assassination, Oklahoma city bombing, Waco TX, TWA Flight 800. The government knows it can get away with anything.
chrisjames1962 1 year ago
@chrisjames1962 That's false. Look up the wikipedia article for "House Select Committee on Assassinations."
152czar 6 months ago
pls, can ppl stop saying ian punnet sucks? go do a better job or keep quiet ok?
banheden 1 year ago
Look at insider trading before this event. The John Oneil "coincedence". Sooo many eyewitnesses. Might want to start protecting them because they are dropping like flies. What about pentagon and shanksville? Nothing at all makes sense or adds up and that is the plan. Confusion on all sides gives the perps a little something called plausible deniability! That is all these criminals ever need. P.D. no matter how rediculous it may be keeps them safe. Rise up or become a slave forever.
glassynole 1 year ago
I don't get it. If these physicists are studying the same thing, why are they all coming up with different conclusions? Dave has not by any means convinced me, a non-physicist, that Osama and Khalied made the towers fall.
REGARDLESS, inside job or not, it still has UNANSWERED questions, and if they are answered, guess where that will probably lead?
artvandelay0 1 year ago
READ THIS COMMENT. Everybody on this show was ill equiped with their information. If you really want to know what happened on 9/11 then go to Block Buster or Net Flix and rent the movie " 9/11 in plane site." This is by far the most conclusive movie . Not only why the structures fell, but who were the planners, the origional people that decided to demolish the trade towers and a lot of info. from the pentagon. And why a 757 made a 10 ft. deep hole in penn. and then the plane disapeared.
ufos22 1 year ago
READ THIS COMMENT. Everybody on this show was ill equiped with their information. If you really want to know what happened on 9/11 then go to Block Buster or Net Flix and rent the movie " 9/11 in plane site." This is by far the most conclusive movie . Not only why the structures fell, but who was the planners, the origional people that decided to demolish the trade towers and a lot of info. from the pentagon. And why a 757 made a 10 ft. deep hole in penn. and then the plane disapeared.
ufos22 1 year ago
there is plenty of reaon to invetigate further and the fact that its not proves gov involvment. did you know that if a person dies of natural causes there wil still be an autopsy and investigation by the gov. What happen here?
pana376 1 year ago
there is plenty of reaon to invetigate further and the fact that its not proves gov involvment
pana376 1 year ago
Guys like Ian and George Noory have to appear to support the official story if they want to keep their jobs, and keep Coast from being blacklisted. They're both smart guys, have alot of contacts through shows like coast, and get alot of inside info. Don't think for a second that they are stupid enough to believe this bullshit.
rrfilmproduction 1 year ago
Most of the explosion was inside the building?? WTF?? Dave have you even watched any of the videos of the impacts?
rrfilmproduction 1 year ago
Wow Punnetts a real crook! Whats this world coming to!
7Billionheadedmonsta 1 year ago
I would have loved it if Richard really HAD hung up on these assholes.
darkartproductions 1 year ago
simple...steel primed with thermite "paint" and all you need is a detonator...anyone got a plane , possibly full of fuel ?
klnine 1 year ago
Ian Punnett really sucks.
tagalder70 1 year ago 8
@tagalder70 i agree
herrflick69 1 year ago
@tagalder70 Also why doesn't Punnett tell the callers to turn down there phones once there were horrilbe echoes!!!??
anewlow23 1 year ago
@tagalder70 Also why doesn't Punnett tell the callers to turn down there radios once there were horrilbe echoes!!!??
anewlow23 1 year ago
@tagalder70 Also why doesn't Punnett tell the callers to turn down there radios once there were horrible echoes!!!??
anewlow23 1 year ago
dave thomas is an idiot !
klnine 1 year ago 3
That last caller was VERY astute, and I think he left a great impact on the finality of the debate. He re-highlighted some of the most important factors - that the speed of the towers collapsing could NOT be explained without the prior removal of the large majority of the support columns below the impact zone. Remember, the vast majority of the building below the impact was still entirely intact. With no planted explosives it could not have fallen, simple physics.
zapproowsdower 1 year ago
good im glad to see that most of the comments im reading are from intelligent people demanding an investigation. If there are still questions unasnwered then obviously the investigation is incomplete at best...a conspiracy at worst.
setekethaos 1 year ago
Richard Gage is the man
mselliot2 1 year ago
It's obvious that most of the callers aren't buying the shills bullshit either ... good for them! :)
spirittoo 1 year ago
send a link to breathariansarefake's channel to friends show them the template for how to spot and call out paid commentors - dont argue with their attacks, they are paid to drag us into emotional reactions and petty arguments. This video speaks for itself, no one with a brain takes people like this guys comments seriously
interlovepol 1 year ago
ahahahhahahaha
"wouldnt there be documanteation of explosions on sizemic graphs"
"yes... there has and its documented"
"uhh um ok it has"
check & Mate my frienf, check and mate...
yourmumstube78 1 year ago
@yourmumstube78
And its published in the ever trustworthy Journal of 9/11 Studies. I would recommend everyone also do research in the Journal of Creation Science. If you want equally plausible BS.
grandmastershek 1 year ago
its so pathetic. each time a caller backs up either Richard or niels he questions them before asking the experts but when its someone who is in league with dave thomas he lets them off...
despite all this Richard and Niles win hands down
yourmumstube78 1 year ago
@yourmumstube78
if its a contest of using research from crackpots who fake peer reveiw...indeed they do.
grandmastershek 1 year ago
Boycott Ian Punnet!
MarkTheDuck1 1 year ago
Its too bad Dave didn't bring up that the Journal of 9/11 Studies is a sham created by Jones to look like a real journal while being nothing more than made up of CT kooks who agree with him.
I wonder why these guys can't get this "science" published in real journals?
grandmastershek 1 year ago
@grandmastershek
The 'Active Thermite' paper by Harrit and co. is in Bentham Open Science Journal. The only argument against the thermite discovery was that it wasn't peer reviewed work. Now that it's published, no one seems to be willing / able to refute it via the same process. Thomas has made it clear, the gov. and it's supporters' fall back argument is now 'because we say so'. No one heard explosions, no one saw molten steel, WTC7 wasn't free fall, it's not really thermite, etc. etc.
kc0696 1 year ago
@kc0696
Bentham is a known sham. They implement no peer review & they spam for contributors w/o any expertise. See the dozens of articles in real journals, & professional organizations that back the "official story"
newscientist[dot]com/article/dn17288-crap-paper-accepted-by-journal[dot]html
earlham[dot]edu/~peters/fos/2009/06/bentham-editors-resign[dot]html
librarydot]yale[dot]edu/~llicense/ListArchives/0804/msg00027[dot]html
Let us know when you guys can play science like big boys & girls.
grandmastershek 1 year ago
@grandmastershek
The bottom line is it's published and NO ONE has refuted it. Congrats as your position as 'self appointed guardian of the status quo' but all your hand waving and dismissiveness doesn't address the evidence.
Furthermore, after 9yrs. I've yet to hear a gov. cheerleader explain specifically what evidence the gov. has proving it's own conspiracy theory? Maybe you can take a crack at it?
kc0696 1 year ago
@kc0696
LMAO!!!! Oh well, its on the internet so I guess its true right?
"I've yet to hear a gov. cheerleader explain specifically what evidence the gov. "
Why wouldn't you just read the reports yourself? Oh right, you're busy watching youtube so they can tell you what to believe.
grandmastershek 1 year ago
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kc0696 1 year ago
@grandmastershek
If you're saying the Harrit paper has been elsewhere, please provide a source. As for the reports, they don't even attempt to explain what dismembered the buildings down to the ground, they only felt it necessary to address collapse inititation which they explained with computer modeling no one is allowed to see. All the while the US gov. IGNORED evidence of thermite, iron spheres, molten metal, witness testimonies and oh yeah, WTC7 until someone reminded them it fell.
kc0696 1 year ago
@kc0696 "Harrit paper elsewhere"\
I didn't.
"they only felt it necessary to address collapse inititation "
Because they know gravity pulls down.
"computer modeling no one is allowed to see"
Have you asked?
"US gov. IGNORED evidence of thermite"
"evidence" which fails to meet academic standards.
" WTC7 until someone reminded them it fell."
Wrong...FEMA investigated 7 originally and recommended further study.
grandmastershek 1 year ago
@grandmastershek
oh, the FEMA which arrived on September 10th, 2001? Go away paid commentor. NSA needs to find a new tactic.
this guy is a paid commentor. Look at his channel to see the profile of a paid troll - also note the Glenn Beckish word choice and offensive, lone wolf style - all his posts are on 911 vids, even though he obviously opposes a new investigation so shouldnt care. Back under the bridge
interlovepol 1 year ago
@interlovepol
Yawn..Wow Loose Change woo? Only been debunked like 5 years now. But yeah they openly admitted to arriving 1 day early, like Silverstein admitting on national TV he committed fraud.
But of course you will believe FEMA when they say that but not when they correct themselves. Cherry pick your way through reality. Bona fide 9/11 truth!
Don't listen to interlovpol. He's a paid shill trying to distract everyone from the devil causing 9/11. Must be true...I said so.
grandmastershek 1 year ago
@grandmastershek
'Because they know gravity pulls down.' - Yeah, so what force was present that hurled 2-ton beams laterally? If you say 'they bounced', go to room and don't come out for a year.
'Have you asked?' - Maybe you should have listened to the whole program.
'evidence" which fails to meet academic standards' - should be easy to refute then but it hasn't.
Serious thing your working on, this wall of ignorance to prevent people from knowing the truth, shame you'll never finish it.
kc0696 1 year ago
@kc0696 "If you say 'they bounced', go to room and don't come out for a year."
Argument from incredulity. fallacy 1
"Maybe you should have listened to the whole program."
I did...what evidence exists that no one can obtain the models?
"should be easy to refute then but it hasn't."
because no one has to. no one wastes their time with creationists "research" either. see burden of proof. Fallacy 2.
" this wall of ignorance to prevent people from knowing the truth"
Just cry incessantly next time
grandmastershek 1 year ago
@grandmastershek
'Because they know gravity pulls down.' - Yeah, so what force was present that hurled 2-ton beams laterally?
'because no one has to. no one wastes their time with creationists "research" either.' - So Jones, Harrit and the rest of them are falsifying their research?
kc0696 1 year ago
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kc0696 1 year ago
I just love how truthers continually pile on more conspirators. Not only do we now have ACE in on it, but steel workers who put aluminum in place of steel. What is the number now? 10K people in on it?
grandmastershek 1 year ago
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kc0696 1 year ago
@grandmastershek
How many people were in on the Manhattan project? With three steel skyscrapers entirely dismembered, testimonies of pools of molten metal, 118 firefighters reporting explosions, intergranular melting of steel, explosive material and iron spheres in the dust, news anchors saying they looked like CD's being fire has NEVER brought down a steel structure and still...NIST found no reason to even TEST the CD hypoth. Stalin is running things in the US and he thanks you.
kc0696 1 year ago
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grandmastershek 1 year ago
@grandmastershek
Whew! Hey great job, you debunked this entire truth movement silliness. You can punch out now, Stalin thanks you for your efforts.
kc0696 1 year ago
@kc0696 "LA LA LA LA LA!!!"
As usual.
grandmastershek 1 year ago
why does this happen to every conspiracy theory interview i hear?
tirmen8er 1 year ago
Thomas keeps defending the point the twin towers only fell at 2/3 gravity as though it's at all relevant. The fact the collapses were uniform and complete all the way to the ground is a physical impossibility due to fires and gravity alone. As for the sprinklers being knocked out by falling N. tower debris, Thomas has no way of validating that. I believe David Griffin mentioned in his latest book that 7's fire alarm system was de-activated early morning before the first plane hit.
kc0696 1 year ago
@kc0696 Exactly, the twin towers fell at the rate they were destroyed. it was a top down uncontrolled demo.
UNTC321 1 year ago
@UNTC321
How were they destroyed? The top portion of each building was was a 'pile driver' correct?
kc0696 1 year ago
@kc0696 No, the top part of the buildings disintegration. The collapse starting at the points of impact should not be confused with a legitimate building collapse. Thermate or plastic explosives will not detonate from fire alone, they need an electrical charge to go off. The building were destroyed from the top down.
UNTC321 1 year ago
@kc0696
First you cant know its uniform since you cant see through the debris cloud and 2 its patently false anyway since the steel spire remained after the cloud dissipated.
grandmastershek 1 year ago
@grandmastershek
Impact damage / fires were assymetrical yet towers fell evenly, floor by floor, totally dismembering themselves. I marvel that Thomas came to the table with the 'pile driver' theory, there simply were no floors stacking. As Gage states, the top portions above impact disintigrated in first 4 seconds and ignoring that fact implies motives outside of truth. The 'steel' spire met the same fate, literally disintigrating into dust on live TV. Google "Strange collapse of the spire".
kc0696 1 year ago
@kc0696 " totally dismembering themselves"
Way to contradict yourself. If they totally dismembered themselves how was the spire still there?
Yeah...well just support baseless claims with more baseless claims!
It disintegrated into dust? Thats weird...The video shows nothing of the sort.
watch?v=7W0-W582fNQ
Do you know the meaning of the word disintegrate?
Google: Scientific method, & critical thinking
grandmastershek 1 year ago
@grandmastershek
Paid NSA troll cyberspook. Anyone wanna know how to spot the pathetic cointel posters? Look at this dudes channel - there is one of these assigned to every 911 truth vid - call em out, dont argue with them as they are paid to lead you in circles. Fucking tools.
interlovepol 1 year ago
@kc0696
I believe DRG is just taking what he learned as a theologian and applying it other places.
The fire alarm was set to "test".
grandmastershek 1 year ago
Thomas and co. expect us to believe that, although the towers were designed to withstand large plane impacts, the designers never considered the planes would have fuel. Even still, they have yet to explain how that fuel, combined with office material, could achieve temps hot enough to weaken steel when steel is used PRECISELY for the purpose of wicking heat away should fires occur. As for the buildings totally dismemeber themeselves down to the ground, that enters the realm of magic.
kc0696 1 year ago
@kc0696
It was designed to resist an impact of a 707 lost in the fog looking to land. Not a 767 flying at around 500 MPH fully fueled (Les Robertson, Head Structural Engineer for the WTC).
"they have yet to explain how that fuel, combined with office material, could achieve temps hot enough to weaken steel "
I guess thats why they fire proof structural steel.
grandmastershek 1 year ago
Richard Gage is a very strong accuser during of his lectures. but he would not say on national radio that Neil Bush was the owner of the security company for the world trade center complex that day until the end of September 2001. if he would have just said that then Dave Thomas would have had no defense
b/c that would have proved opportunity to place explosives.
zrocks2001 1 year ago
@zrocks2001 Gage is not a good debator. Thomas, a liar, mentioned many times how hot the fires were, and how much damage a plane caused. Gage could refer D.T. to flight 93(sod in hole and a red bandana, undamaged) and he could cite the Pentagon windows intact where engines would strike.
UNTC321 1 year ago
@zrocks2001
Except for the fact that he left in 2000 and the Port Authority actually ran the security.
grandmastershek 1 year ago
Richard Gage plays a very good game here. Asking for a new investigation that a) There's no reason for 2) If there was, and reached the same conclusions,it still wouldn't be accepted.
Gage will never actually do anything himself. He can play the "hero" by demanding a new investigation.
He couldn't answer any straight questions. Instead, obfuscates and throws mud. His answer for tough questions is: "Well that's why I need someone else do do my work for me!". He and Harrit are wastes of space.
ScottishAtheist 1 year ago
@ScottishAtheist I disagree. This topic is sensitive beyond measure. And so, any speculation by Richard Gage would derail the discussion faster than you could say 'inside job'! :)
LogicalUtilizor 1 year ago
Ian Punnett continued to interrupt Richard Gage & Niels Harrit as he sided with Dave Thomas & Kim Johnson. If you don't want intelligent debates, don't have guests! We get enough of this form of one-sided lopsidedness from the mainstream media. I've been listening to the radio lately for my news and this has been the worst interview on record. Shut up once in awhile and let your guests have their say. The only other option is to "Fire" Ian Punnett. Then, he will see freefall speed in real-time.
samlaunch 1 year ago 2
@samlaunch Gage got to say plenty (while saying little), and the callers were all Truthers. The discussion was more than fair.
ScottishAtheist 1 year ago
@ScottishAtheist Well, it's his show and while he's on it, he can talk over any guest he has on his show. It's something called 'free speech' :-) I'm glad we still have 'free speech' in America today. Truthers sounds like a pretty good name. Who doesn't seek the truth these days? I wonder if Truthers is a combination of Truth Seekers. Is it? Anyway, I'm all for even-sided debates. Rather than being a Pulitzer seeking mediator, Ian decided to side with his friends and make it 3 to 2.
samlaunch 1 year ago
@ScottishAtheist Well, it's his show and while he's on it, he can talk over any guest he has on his show. It's something called 'free speech' :-) I'm glad we still have 'free speech' in America today. Truthers sounds like a pretty good name. Who doesn't seek the truth these days? I wonder if Truthers is a combination of Truth Seekers. Is it? Anyway, I'm all for even-sided debates. Rather than being a Pulitzer seeking mediator, Ian decided to side with his friends and make it 3 to 2. Fit like?
samlaunch 1 year ago
@samlaunch Free speech is about protecting citizens against governments, not private property or businesses. Anyway, "Truther" sounds quite a nice name, but having Truth in the name, and actually telling the truth are two different things. I don't think I've seen a Truther live up to his moniker yet.
The host had his opinions sure, but he was still very fair. Gage was given a lot of air time, and was wasting it pussy footing around. The host was getting frustrated with his dodging, so was I.
ScottishAtheist 1 year ago
@ScottishAtheist Protecting citizens against atheists. You say your Scottish. Did you catch my Doric. Fit like/Fitya dee'in... As far as truth goes, I do my own research and come to my conclusions based on personal experience as far as trusting the government goes. Whenever, they try to hide things, I believe everything they've stated on a certain subject is a lie. Lately, I just haven't heard them tell the truth on anything, such as, this US Depression, inflation, unemployment, etc. long list.
samlaunch 1 year ago
@samlaunch change "your" to "you're". Back to the US government, I would like to hear them tell the truth once in awhile. Lately, I haven't heard any truths, just more lies. If you've heard them tell the truth recently, tell me about it. And, I'm more concerned about Hyperinflation happening in America. As usual, I watch the US Dollar Index for a break under 80. Once we break under 80, it's back to the last low of 72. After hovering near 72, I expect a collapse in confidence. History says so :-)
samlaunch 1 year ago
Guys, I just constructed a computer model that actually shows a colon running up in Dave Thomas' head. In this working computer generated model...you can actually witness the B.S. travelling out from the brain, down the colon, out the mouth and through the liver-lips where all truth is removed as waste matter. This is irrepfutable as my computer was able to generate this as fact.
MiaRyanne 1 year ago 2
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MiaRyanne 1 year ago
What is consistent in this and all other interview for and against the official line is that the official line is always supported by convoluted and often evasive arguments while those who disagree with the oficial line present simple, straightfowward logic.
Intbel 1 year ago
Thomas: "There is no controlled demolition that gradually pulls the outer walls in". To say he can see this process occurring in photos is ABSURD. At the same time, he insists fires brought down 3 steel structures without a SINGLE precedent. And to be sure, these buildings did not just collapse, they were completely dismembered while the concrete floors were pulverized. As for the 'spires' or columns remaining after collapse, you can see these remaining STEEL members disentegrate in seconds.
kc0696 1 year ago
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@kc0696
kolumbus[dot]fi/av[dot]caesar/wtc/WTC2_collapse2[dot]jpg
grandmastershek 1 year ago
It's really says a lot when you can have such a piss poor moderator and I use this term very generously, Ian needs to find another job, whenever he didn't like what richard had to say he would leave the scientific fact arena to ask the speculative who/what/why questions, and yes of course fireman, police, EMT, paramedics, and others who all testify to hearing explosions are not really valid, but computer models are, the emergency personal testimonies are questionable but the programers are not !
Ofatruth 1 year ago 3
@Ofatruth
Because the TM has yet to provide anything that even approaches a plausible alternative.
grandmastershek 1 year ago
It's interesting that Dave Thomas says he agrees with Richard Gage about finding out who killed those 3 thousand people. Hmm, if you believe every part of the official story then you already know who killed those 3000 people. This proves in his heart he has doubt as to who killed the 3000 and that is how he lies for an hour and then sleeps at night. He pretends he wants to know the killers, but does everything to stop a new investigation...lies always surface.
MiaRyanne 1 year ago 12
I'm not a violent person, but I'd sure like to slap the stupidity out of these lying "Physicists". It's one of the sickest lies I've ever seen perpetuated. Kim Johnson and Dave Thomas have sold any integrity which they might have previously had. I'm not sure they ever had it in the first place. You won't get away with this lie too much longer.
MiaRyanne 1 year ago
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6 of the 10 9/11 commissioners have stated publicly that they believe there was a cover up and a criminal investigation into the bush administration should ensue.
KING777TUT 1 year ago
The silver lining to this debate is that listeners will become aware the official government story of what transpired on 9/11 doesn’t hold water. It is abundantly clear that Dave Thomas and Kim Johnson’s arguments against/rebuttals to the 9/11 truth side, as represented by Richard Gage and Niels Harrit, do not stand up to scrutiny. Furthermore, the host, Ian Punnett, is clearly skewed in his questioning/statements in favor of the official story perspective.
MaxReturnsFromBeyond 1 year ago 5
If there is nothing to hide, then why don’t we have a truly independent investigation into what happened on 9/11 leaving no stone unturned until every angle has been exhausted? Common sense. Why was thermite/nanothermite found in the WTC dust? Documented fact, not fiction.
MaxReturnsFromBeyond 1 year ago
@MaxReturnsFromBeyond "Documented fact, not fiction"
Is that why they faked peer review?
grandmastershek 1 year ago
Not one caller agrees with Ian, Kim or Dave and the official story.
Love it!!!!
awatcher1980 1 year ago 4
@awatcher1980 Yes I found that very amusing too. Not one caller to agree with Kim or Dave or even in general to push the official conspiracy theory.
Blondie54 1 year ago
@Blondie54 "official conspiracy theory"
Equivocation fallacy. Word games is all you idiots have.
And yes somehow the callers are relevant. But then again if you look at 9/11 truth it is nothing but a popularity contest.
grandmastershek 1 year ago
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@grandmastershek
' "official conspiracy theory"...Equivocation fallacy. Word games is all you idiots have'
Should the US gov's theory not also be considered a 'conspiracy theory'?
kc0696 1 year ago
@grandmastershek Isn't the official story just a conspiracy theory??? I mean does anyone know what really happened? people conspired to make it happen and others in government and working for give a theory so yes it is an official conspiracy theory but thank you for your view.
Blondie54 1 year ago
@Blondie54
Sigh...
drury[dot]edu/ess/Logic/Informal/Equivocation[dot]html
grandmastershek 1 year ago
@MARCHERET
Dave thomas really is a clown check his Bio
Google: New Mexicans for Science and Reason dave thomas Bio
awatcher1980 1 year ago
ian punnett = duchebag
stonedcurtains 1 year ago 3
ian punnett, why are you acting like a duchebag?
stonedcurtains 1 year ago 2
After listening to Dave Thomas explain the collapse of the core columns, he clearly is not professional and is only trying to refute every single question no matter how crazy his explanation might be. Truly embarrassing to listen to.
Gage remained professional in his responses and Punnett was definitely there to try and cast doubt on Gage's arguments.
A great day for 911 truth.
normgove1 1 year ago 5
I'm suspicious when a "scientific" person does not even seem curious about physical evidence that is presented to them. It's a "partiality red flag." Architects/Engineers make a very powerful case (peer-reviewed) for evidence of explosives used in the Towers, and they did well here, even when the other side was given time to talk, and A/E had to wait to respond, or was not even get a chance to comment on some real whoppers. The host kept insisting they say WHO and WHY. I admire A/E's restraint.
aumakuapueo 1 year ago 24
@aumakuapueo
you said it...thats the theme of the last decade
interlovepol 1 year ago
@aumakuapueo
Except the nanothermite research wasn't peer reviewed nor repeated in any other lab. Bentham Publishing is a vanity pay to play journal.
grandmastershek 1 year ago
@aumakuapueo "peer reveiwed"
How long will you guys peddle this lie? Bentham implements no peer review.
grandmastershek 1 year ago
@aumakuapueo exactly who and why = we need an investigation
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hb091666 1 year ago
@vinnykster Right on! Some of these callers are fantastic, totally know their shit! I love how Gage was able to answer that there are indeed seismic recordings of the sub-basement explosions. Ian was caught unaware and moved quickly on to the next question.
hb091666 1 year ago 3
Seems like every time this show has a rather heated segment it is conveniently 'cut off'. Either the gov truly is listening in and wants them to shut up or the program directors do it on purpose for just that dramatic effect. Again, Thanks for Posting, world.
watda74 1 year ago
Yeah I thought the host was bein an ass with regards to the testimony of people hearing explosives. It's like HELLO IAN! They said they heard cxplosives! You callin them all lyars? All of them? I don't care if they were scientists or not! They were there and they heard fuckin explosions! Period! Gage won this debate before he even opened his mouth. That Dave Thomas is yet another useful idiot in the form of a wannabe scientist. Junk scientist is more like it. Gage won hands down!
vinnykster 1 year ago 38
@vinnykster
"They said they heard cxplosives! You callin them all lyars? "
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You calling the FDNY liars about WTC7? And if we have steel flinging explosives it would show up on video tapes, we dont have that.
TheSkepticalIdealist 1 year ago
@vinnykster enfuriating isn't it.
MarkTheDuck1 1 year ago
controlled demolition is conclusive just watching them explode all the way to the bottom makes it clear.... the ending make me highly suspicious.
jerryjamify 1 year ago 2
Dave are you sure you dont work a wal mart?
jerryjamify 1 year ago 3
Ian is as CORRUPT as Dave Thomas. Oh isn't he also a "Preacher" so much for Truth there Ian you bought and Sold Asshole.
suzieq0452 1 year ago 5
Too bad they didn't bring on a conspiracy expert like Jim Marrs or Alex Jones to expand on the speculative details of the conspiracy. Punnett shows his stripes when attacking Gage for specifics that don't exist... knowing, Gage has maintained his credibility and scientific objectivity, by avoiding these more speculative subjects. Weak... Wizzzeak.
doctordrewl 1 year ago 8
@doctordrewl,
I agree. I could have answered all of those quesions. It does appear that Ian was trying to lead Gage into these types of arguments when it is clearly not Richard's line of expertise...
Increadibly Weak!
NanoThermite911 1 year ago
@doctordrewl Absolutely! Next time team Gage and Alex Jones and lets see how it goes.
billp4 1 year ago
Coast to Coast has been compromised!
It is beyond obviously clear, Ian was directing the questions and responses towards the "official story"!
His questions and his direction were forced on him, he was reading his bosses notes, they were not his own!
We must thank Ian for being so blatantly obvious and committed in the official story which has obviously real engineering holes, major holes.. When the host directs the direction - FLAGS UP!
All C to C has been compromised - stifled. Beware...
250whyzed 1 year ago 2
@250whyzed Yeap. It was only a matter of time. It is sad but true.
OfAllOblivion 1 year ago