Be wary of the evidence provided to you. The meter was invented in the late 1600s. 1400 years ago the metric system was not implemented as the SI unit for length, meaning this video is a hoax. The man who had the 'revelation' would no idea what a meter is, and the ~3 x10^8 power speed of light means nothing without the units.
Unfortunately, benevolent YT won't let me post the link in comments.
There is a good article on the Atheist Experience website which thoroughly debunks this theory with ample documentation. More links to other articles and more sources are present there.
uploader are you there? i still dont see the relation between what light can travel in a day and the length of the moon's orbit... how did god mean this by "a thousand years"
Where does the (Cos a) come from? It's not necessary to calculate the orbital length of the moon. I'm pretty sure it's just a variable you defined to MAKE the equation equal our current number for the speed of light.
Mashaallah, they discovered only a couple of weeks ago that the current measure for the speed of light is actually slightly too slow. If they studied the quran they could have the 'real' version :)
If you get different results on different calculators, it is because of rounding errors - the real result is the same. All you have to do with the speed of light is compare the result in the video - they would take the care to get it right - with the real value of c.
I am not American - USA, Canada, Peru ... it is a big place - and I am not a Christian, or Jew, or anything Abrahamic.
Islam is a religion written in a Semitic language and yet, you hate the Jews. And you call us 'dumb'.
@waddletop islam doesnt hate jews , doesnt hate christians , doesnt hate any one , islam tells us to respect the others , this video shows u a proof that islam is correct , we have other proves ;) many ;)
The truth that this video tells is that The Quran is not the word of any god simply because the value for the speed of light in the Quran is not the same as the real value for the speed of light.
Allah did not write the Quran - Allah would have known the true value for the speed of light and not given the false value that is in the Quran.
No it isn't. The true number is 299,792,458 metres per second or 299792.458 km/sec.
299792.458 is not the same as 299792.49.
So, the Quran value is wrong therefore the Quran is wrong.
Why are you even comparing it with human experimental results anyway? Are you saying that the Quran is written by someone who didn't /know/ the answer?
@waddletop Excuse me, sir, but you are completely contradicting yourself. At first you say the true value is 299,792,458 m/s. This is the experimental result of us humans. You go on to say "Why are you even comparing it with human results anyway?" Sorry, but you're talking to yourself in that situation. Anyway, you know deep in your heart that those decimal places are irrelevant, meaning these two numbers are far too close for some HUMAN to have figured out back during Prophet Muhammad's time.
@bethoveenzeyad 'both wrong ???????? or both right ???? or franch number ...'
I doesn't matter who any number belongs to, if it doesn't say '299,792,458 m/s' or '299,792.458 km/s' then it is wrong.
The British experimental number is wrong, the US experimental number is wrong - if a value is not exactly 299,792,458.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000m/s then it is wrong. Therefore, the Quran is wrong.
Denying that 299,792,458 m/s is the only true answer when you have access to; and know how to use, the resources that all of the rest of us do, only demonstrates to us all that you are a liar to yourself and anybody that is fool enough to believe you.
You should be ashamed of yourself because the only thing you are doing is insulting Islam and all Muslims with your lies.
@waddletop no offence...but i did it on more than 1 calculator....not every calculator gives the same1....try to do it more than one...but thanks anyway that you did try my method :)
Did some digging on Cosine Alpha and found the answer to be quite simple so bare with me: Calculating moon's tangential speed is trickier than earth because earth has one movement w.r.t the sun, while the moon has 2 (around earth + sun). That tangent velocity (responsible for the absolute/real distance traveled) is simply the moon's absolute speed X Cosine the angle between the original moon, and the final moon 1 sidereal month later, which is 27 degrees. Checks out perfectly (unsurprisingly).
"a thousand years" is a measurement of distance? Orbital velocity of the moon is closer to 3679.2 km/h. Its orbital period is closer to 653.5 hours. Sure, these things change over time. As does the rotational period of the earth, so a day would not have been 23H 56M 4S some 1400 years ago. You can't use current and ancient values mixed together. And where did the value for alpha come from? Maybe I missed it somewhere.
Did some digging on Cosine Alpha and found the answer to be quite simple so bare with me: Calculating moon's tangential speed is trickier than earth because earth has one movement w.r.t the sun, while the moon has 2 (around earth + sun). That tangent velocity (responsible for the absolute/real distance traveled) is simply the moon's absolute speed X Cosine the angle between the original moon, and the final moon 1 sidereal month later, which is 27 degrees. Checks out perfectly (unsurprisingly).
About the marriage, it was not mentioned in the Quraan anywhere about the age of Aisha. the story is distorted, but one thing for a fact that she was the youngest of his wives (PBUH). The prophet was in his early 50s at the time, and Aisha used to accompany him to battles to attend to the sick and wounded...
the verses you (assuming only the verse itself) read were not an order/suggestion/recomendation to any muslim to commit a crime by killing! it is part of a story that happened and that then the advise was to kill an infidel, not because that person is an infidel but because of his/her crimes.
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What a reach. This is the same book that says the earth is flat. Islam is a fundamentally violent and barbaric superstition that makes no pretense of peaceful co-existence. Islam is a threat to humanity and civilization. No one who claims allegiance to Islam should ever be taken seriously in any forum.
we will be more careful about people who claim allegiance to Islam after this
actually the earth is clearly ROUND in Quran (search it in my vids or in YT) and Islam is not a threat to anything which is all about submission to OUR Creator and which forbids killing ANY innocent human being,even innocent animals(forbidden to even hurt them)
but brainless maniacs who are just ordinary terrorists are threat for not only nonmuslims but for all of US!
@HighFlyingDutchman "Kill the infidel wherever you find him". Thats in the Quran. It also says the earth is flat; "laid out like a sheet". Muhammed was a misanthropic, sociopathic murderer who raped a 9 yr old girl. Whats most surprising about this fact is that Islam's followers never deny it. Rational people cannot relate morally or intellectually with people who worship a bronze age mass murderer and child molester, nor should they. Serve humanity and burn your Quran.
Interesting that you should mention the shape of Earth in Quran. Arabs (namely bedouins in the Arab peninsula) refer to a single bird's egg (usually chicken :) as "dihhiya", the term derived from "Udhya" which is the ostrich's nest in ancient arabic. The quran refers to when God created earth: "Walarda bada thalika 'dahaaha' ", the word dahaha is a verb that means: made into the shape of a dihhiya. Interesting that earth looks exactly like an egg :)
Especially an Ostrich one which is very round, except being flat on both edges, very much like earth that is not a perfect sphere (flatter at the north/south poles along the axis of rotation). There is another verse in Quran that refers to this as well: that earth's edges have been lessened (made less).
Take care, open your heart, and don't make generalizations. Read authentic history of Mohammed (pbuh) and his companions, and don't source all your knowledge from Fox news.
@oldjet Bullshit much? The Quran never uses the word "round" in any language to describe the shape of the earth. When it mentions the ostrich egg, it talks about the way a ostrich will hide it's egg by flattening the dirt over it. "Flat" is how the Quran describes the earth, through the illiterate child molester named Mohammed, who was a killer and possibly criminally insane. He didn't know the earth was round because the voices he heard were in his head and were wrong about much of science.
@bddc201 . Hmm.. Thanks for a most thoughtful response. I'm at a loss for words. . . So essentially when you can't respond to logic, with SPECIFIC references and VERIFIABLE examples, you start yelling: "BULLSHIT, CHILD MOLESTERS, MURDERERS!!" ?? :) . . Imam Shafeei once said: "I've won every single argument I've ever had with a scholar, and lost every single argument I've ever had with an ignoramus". . قال الامام الشافعي رحمة الله " ما جادلت عالما الا وغلبته وما جادلت جاهلا الا وغلبنى " . .
@oldjet The Quran doesn't have any logic. All it has is bullshit transcribed through an illiterate child molesting, goat-herding psychopathic killer. No original transcripts are available. Mere belief should never be enough to justify the Quran's misogyny, and genocidal race-bating that appeals to the darkest wishes of evil men. No one who worships a child rapist should ever be taken seriously in any forum.
@oldjet You're wrong. The verse with the ostrich eggs says that "Allah" has laid out the earth the same way an ostrich COVERS her egg. "Laid out flat, like a sheet". Mohammed never used the Arabic word for "round" when describing the shape of the earth. Also, the earth does not look "exactly like an egg".
The verb "dahaha" means exactly: made into a "dihiyya" = egg. Example: the arabic verb "ajanaha" means made into a "ajeena" = dough.
Moreover, earth looks more like an ostrich's egg than a perfect sphere: Earth is bulged at the equator & flattened at the poles (another Quran verse explicitly states that), the exact shape is called ellipsoid (Lookup "Earth ellipsoid" on wikipedia). The scientific translation of Ellipsoid to Arabic is "Baydawee", DIRECTLY derived from the word "egg" :))
There are stupid people all over the word like Bin ladan but it doesn't depend on their religion.
And don't talk about something you don't know,,,,,Quran didn't say that the earth is flat and it's all about respecting others and living in peace.by the way, we have 1.3 billion muslims and only 230 million are Arabs .
If you don't beleve go search in the Internet cause i'm shore about all these stuff .
@prax3883 "There are stupid people all over the world". Now there is something we agree on. And by your calculations, there are at least 1.3 billion of them. No matter how many people believe a stupid or evil thing, it will still be every bit as stupid and evil. Mere faith should never be anyone's basis to believe anything. That's why we have science.
@bddc201 "And make not God’s (name) an excuse in your oaths against doing good, or acting rightly, or making peace between persons; for God is One Who hears and knows all things. God will not call you to account for thoughtlessness in your oaths, but for the intention in your hearts; and He is Oft-forgiving, Most Forbearing."
@mrkimi80 Why do you need an invisible friend to do good? You don't. God is imaginary. Judgement after death is cynical fiction, a ploy to manipulate people. The Quran is full of all kinds of anti-social wickedness.
@bddc201 Um mate, I'm no expert, but anyone who knows anything about the Qu'ran knows that no-where in the Qu'ran does it say the Earth is flat, you sir, are on crack. Also, here's just a small detail to contradict your ridiculous statement about Islam is violent.. bla bla, all that shit you typed up. The Islamic calendar. Now, I am pretty sure, that 4 months out of 12, COMPLETELY restrict violence in any manner. The stories behind those months are wonderful, do some READING. It's SIMPLE.
@InFlamezzzzz That's hilarious! 4 months out of the year are set aside for peaceful co-existence and non-violence? September isnt' one of them, is it?
@bddc201 Well, it's true, and it's pretty easy to figure out, do some reading from an unbiased source, before being critical. Thus anyone who has any logic would be able to figure out that terrorists didn't abide with the Qu'ran. Suicide is also forbidden, and I'm glad you so easily trusted what the media and government had to say about the terrorist attack on 9/11. If you're going to be a gullible fuck and believe everything your TV tells you, then whatever. I really don't care. Don't reply.
@InFlamezzzzz If you don't care, then why are you commenting? BTW, in some of my comments I've quoted directly from the Quran (Kill the infidel wherever you find him). So you have no place casually accusing me of gullible complacency or dishonesty. And you can take your "don't reply" bullshit and shove it straight up your gay asshole. Clear enough?
@bddc201 why you did not finished what you quoted. do you think we are dump like christian about their religion, they don't read their own bible and they want debat with muslim.
@bddc201 What a reach. This is the same book that says the earth is flat. Islam is a fundamentally violent and barbaric superstition that makes no pretense of peaceful co-existence. Islam is a threat to humanity and civilization. No one who claims allegiance to Islam should ever be taken seriously in any forum.
syahirSQRT2 'you will just say that "the speed of light is three hundred thousand kilometres per second" that we all know'
It is not defined in km/s, it is always used as m/s. If I were to round it to one significant figure, I would use 'three hundred million metres per second'.
'back to the quran. do you think that the quran is JUST a science textbook? no. it is a book of knowledge'
Faith does not require knowledge.
The Quran teaches a better way of life 1400 years ago. This is now.
Rather than appreciating how wonderful an act of our Lord, Allah simplifying what cannot be conceived in those times and leaving it upon the future generation to reinforce their faith by saying hey this is unbelievable, it was not the Quraan that manipulated or lead us to make this calculation, but the Quraan left it ciphered so that the future generations can discovered it on their and see the link... Im gonna get lots of hate messages and disses! :S
Then why the alleged calculation in the verse is based on (scientifically and quranically) ARBITRARY premises (they took Moon's velocity whereas nothing indicates so, they include a cosine factor from thin air) to unlock lightspeed from the Quran?
This is exactly what one would expect if the verse has nothing to do with physics and that some ppl interpret it according to their preconceptions.
... a book which is more than 1400 years old has the insights to offer us a magnificent calculation that took us a life time to imagine says magnitude about itself. Forget not, that Simplicity is trait of a genius and the Quraan was simplifying, forget not that most and if not all religions offer codes and analogies in conveying messages. but over simplifying something just to sound and secure your own belief is not inviting the truth.
Now about this video here, some are trying to justify it's error by looking for an over simplified answer, others try arguing that the Quraan is an outdated book because the type of analogy used in it was for those people who would understand the message. here is the best, some of us see a less than .00001 % error and then use it against the Quraan or whomever else to denounce it or him/her. BUT who said that even now we have the correct and final calculation, use doubt my friend...
Hollywood and individual or organization created documentaries have challenged and swayed our beliefs to an extend of conviction. Because they provide really compelling hard proof, to those like many of us that dont have the insight capacity to intellectually debate or evaluate.
Therefore i believe doubt is a really important attribute or mind set, this should be said to those scientists when conveying any of their so called facts from their discoveries.
It doesn't matter how they calculate the figure, the Quran gets 299,792,490m/s whereas the real answer c=299,792,458m/s so whoever wrote the Quran got it wrong. The Quran's answer is different to reality - or, to put it another way, THE SPEED OF LIGHT SCIENTIFICALLY PROVES THAT THE VALUE IN THE QURAN IS WRONG. I suggest that the Quran wasn't written by any God at all.
@waddletop so you are saying that Mohammad "almost" knew the correct answer before 1400 years? and who knows, maybe this number is more correct than the UK and US numbers?!!!
@waddletop The calculations for C given in the Quran is not stated explicitly as 299792.49 km/sec. It was given in a concrete way that people of those times could understand, "Days and Thousand of years". 0.008 km/sec difference meant absolutely nothing for the large population during those times. The only difference its makes is to give people like you something to bash it because you don't have anything of real significance in ur life.
@waddletop Don't forget that this calculation had one number from GOD, 1000 days, and the rest are from humans, which is not full numbers, like sidereal day, and moon's route length. this numbers are all approximate numbers to begin with, since we all know that the real numbers are much more detailed (xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx). another thing is that there is a difference between US number and UK number, that means they (both) are also NOT 100% correct.
Why would Allah choose something that is open to error? This is a test by which the rest of the Quran is judged and it is riddled with errors introduced by Allah by His choice of variables?
Why not just say; 'c=299,792,458m/s' and although, Mohammad, you don't know what that is yet, mankind with progress and, in 1400 years time, understand what this means.'
The US and UK numbers are experimental. The value of c is defined. It is a physical constant by which the metre is derived.
@waddletop because if so, you would need to change the sentence every year, which is not what the quran is supposed to be. the content can't be altered.
now, listen. the general conference of weight and measures did say that is the speed of light, and then derived the unit metre. but would you actually say that "the speed of light is two hundred and ninety-nine million, seven hundred and ninety-two thousand, four hundred and fifty-eight metres per second"?
@waddletop ...you will just say that "the speed of light is three hundred thousand kilometres per second" that we all know.
now, back to the quran. do you think that the quran is JUST a science textbook? no. it is a book of knowledge; it teaches muslims the best way of life, it gives the law that muslims can use, it gives the knowledge to mankind. also, Islam wants it's followers to seek for knowledge. they need to have skills in seeking knowledge.
@waddletop ...and would you call anyone skillful in seeking knowledge if they just open the Quran and say "ah, the speed of light is about 299792.49km/s". no. the knowledge in the quran will emerge out of the arabic calligraphy as time passes.
before I end these comments, think. if Allah does wrote the sentence that you wrote in the Quran;
1) you will be a muslim because Islam will be officially declared as the true religion, or
if you're gonna try to be a scientist do things right it says a thousand years of what you can count ,not the length the moon travels in a thousand years
I am not sure i understand how "which is a thousand years" is to be counted as a distance? Because wouldn't that mean that we have an actual distance as to where heaven is? please explain.. kinda confused :)
i did calculations , and i found a speed of aproxiamt. 270 000 meter/secon, and this is the speed of the message from hevens to earth in this verse, i just didn't understood the cos(alpha) in the video , but the speed in this verse of quran that i found isn't somthinh insane like 98908097878078970 or 870989897897689, but it's 270 000 m/s wich seem that has a really strong link with speed of light
@brahim121985brahim boi it takes into account the spiral movement of moon. if u observe closely, the moon dont revolve around earth in circle...infact since earth is also revolving around sun...moon takes a spiral movement along the earth's orbit....thats cos alpha this takes into account the spiral movement.... :)
@theansible i have my self studied about this fact from sources other than u have mentioned....they all explicitly explain the spiral movement of moon...thus the factor of cos alpha....i will get back to u soon with the detailed calculations....
@chmuddi "they all explicitly explain the spiral movement of moon"
well... the site i mentioned doesn't, in fact, "spiral movement of moon" is never mentioned. so no. you're wrong, good sir.
"i will get back to u soon with the detailed calculations"
i doubt that very very much.
oh, and before i forget: could you explain again why they use 655.7 hrs (27.3 days) rather then the actual length of a month in the islamic calender? ps: an actual month is 29.5 days
@theansible i dont use youtube much thus the delay......
second thing what u r quoting is Sinodic Calender System, and here they are using the Sidereal Calender System....reason again is the Sinodic System does not take the Spiral movement of the moon into account. It rather takes moon as moving in circular motion. The Sidereal System, as the name suggests, take the spiral movement to calculate the no of days in a lunar month.
@chmuddi "Sinodic Calender System, and here they are using the Sidereal Calender System"
There is no sidereal calender system! Find me a muslim calender that works with 27.3 days per months. There is no such calender. And if you look at the verse (32:5) it specifically refers to "a thousand years of what you count". And what they count was (and still is) 29.5 days for a lunar month.
Second: what we are talking about is synodic and sidereal orbital periods, not calenders.
@theansible what does orbital period mean? dude orbital periods determines the number of "days" moon takes to complete a complete orbit rite? in one its 29.5 in other its 27.3! whats confusing in it? and a calender itself does not determine the number of days in a month. we ourselves divide the days/nights into months. its our own convention. it has nothing to do with the orbits!
@chmuddi No man, an _orbit_ is 27.3 days (sidereal), a _month_ is new moon to new moon, which is 29.5 days (synodic). The islamic calender operates with 29.5 days, hence the number is wrong. In other words, the convention IS to use 29.5 days. Find me a muslim calender that works with 27.3 days, and then we can talk about it. Till then, it's wrong.
@theansible an orbit of moon is equal to what? a sidereal MONTH! new moon - new moon is an orbit of sinodic...u find me a calender which works without the leap year first :p the fucking leap yer is because of sidereal orbit u fuckard!
@theansible if thats how u r looking at it. tell me one thing. y do in gregorian calender we skip 0.25 days and then add them up after 4 years to make a leap year? coz its our convention!
yeah, the sidereal orbit of the EARTH, not the moon
"u find me a calender which works without the leap year first"
islamic calender. done. your turn
"month" is a term that can be used in a few different ways in english. sidereal, synodic, draconic to name a few. however, in terms of the islamic calender (which the equations are based on) it has a very specific meaning, namely "new moon to new moon" which is the synodic period of 29.5 days. explain
@theansible listen brother. the calculation never stated that they r using the "Islamic month". it is explicitly shown they are using the sidereal system. they never mentioned the word Islamic calender!
@theansible moreover the months is used in the calculation of the distance irrespective to the number of days in the that particular month. 1000years = 12000months. the sidereal system is used for the calculation of the time of one day!
@chmuddi dude, the verse that the calculation comes from specifically says: "a thousand years of what you count", which was/is the lunar cycle. nobody "counts" using the sidereal orbit of the moon. what mohammad would have been using is the standard islamic calender. the calculations are _bound_ to the synodic orbital period, or what is referred to as a month in the islamic calender. that the calculations use something other than 29.5 days is proof that it is just number fitting, ie. wrong.
@theansible there is no "length of day" in Islamic calender.....its the Sinodic and Sidereal System which btw are not calculated by the Quran or Islam....they are the different conventions used by everyone to calculate the length of day even by Gregorian Calender :p
@brahim121985brahim boi it takes into account the spiral movement of moon. if u observe closely, the moon dont revolve around earth in circle...infact since earth is also revolving around sun...moon takes a spiral movement along the earth's orbit....thats cos alpha this takes into account the spiral movement.... :)
In fact, viewed from heliocentric reference, the Moon has not a spiral orbit, but a convex one; indeed Moon's velocity around the Earth is lower than Earth's around the Sun.
BTW The cosine factor you invoke belongs to the realm of pseudoscience.
Ugh.... this is such complete bull shit its not even funny. You know, reading the comments here explains why the world is in the shape its in. Morons, the whole bunch of you.....
there's another miracle you should speek of: The speed of sound and the speed of fart . See the reason bellow:
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 11, Number 582, Book of adhan
Allah's Apostle said, "When the Adhan is pronounced Satan takes to his heels and passes wind with noise during his flight in order not to hear the Adhan
@TheMatia84 you dumb fuck, allah means god in arabic.. so you're just saying "fuck god" haha what a fucking dumb fuck :P and go hate on someone else, i know that you need to hate on something since your life is too depressing so please go do it somewhere else
It is bullshit, the earth travels at 29.8km/s so that is 29.8Km x 3600 to get in to hours so the velocity of the earth is 107820 km/ H not the 3682km/h quoted. To work out the speed of earth get the earth sun distance = 149,597,870.7km wikipedia
multiply by 2 x PI =939951143 (to give circumfrence) the divide by time taken to get speed 60 x 60 x 24 *365 so
939951143/ 31536000 = 29.8km/s = Dont belive crap people post to try an prove their backward religion
im a muslim but i dont beive this is true cuz angels are not of this dimension therfore they are not limited by our boundaries so they can go faster than the speed of light
It is bullshit, the earth travels at 29.8km/s so that is 29.8Km x 3600 to get in to hours so the velocity of the earth is 107280 km per hour not the 3682km/h quoted. To work out the speed of earth get the earth sun distance = 149,597,870.7km
multiply by 2 x PI =939951118 (to give circumfrence) the divide by time taken to get speed 60 x 60 x 24 *365 Therefore 939951118 kms/ 31536000 secs= 29.8km/s
people will do anything to try and prove what they have been brought up with
i agree with the 2 ppl below. God made the real bible for us to read between the lines, he mentioned Jesus and talked about how he saved us from our sins. anything from this video is crap. not reading between the lines to learn hiddenfacts, putting stuff thats not there in there. thats all it is. making something thats already fake more fake
@dvainsench bro, listen. you gotta get your facts straight. there are good people and bad people everywhere. dont fucking judge people by their religions man.. and btw in the Quran, God said that we should respect all religions and all people, they tell us to be humble. Who the fuck told you we wanna conquer the whole world? Everyone wants to fuckin conquer the world you dumb fuck! the illuminati? fucking hitler? so dont fucking blame religions.
no religeon delivers with hostility. for the bringer of His voice is a brother of peace. not pieces. its normal to get angry. but how you deal with it is reproachable for spreading your holy word. regardless of what its called. god bless you
@LogicShadow Alright these are personal issues that people have; if you see a Muslim like that, don't assume that all of them are the same, we are different people. It's like saying all Americans are rednecks or all Germans are Nazi.. :P
@aboudiabsi Funny how people still think Nationality makes your blood. There are only 3 races people. Caucasians, Africans, and Mongoloids. That makes your blood, and defines who you are as a being. Not your nationality. Or one could look at it as you are human. Nothing more.
5th line (approx 300 characters later): "dumb fuck"
It's the second time I see a bipolar Muslim acting like this in a comment. Calling someone "friend" and "asshole", all this within 500 characters tops.
@athanasiadis24 haha alright wanna see it for the third time? BRO, SHUT THE FUCK UP :) haha aiite ;).. and i call everyone bro, it doesnt actually mean brother.. so umm stop exaggerating and pulling shit from your ass :P bipolar my dick
@aboudiabsi I apologize for that, it's just that last time I checked every human being with a fully functional brain considered "bro" to mean "brother", which is a rather friendly word to call someone.
He equated one 1000 years with 12000 months, which is true, but then he used 655 hours as his definition for a month, but that's just 27 days, which is a lunar month, but it's not the same month he used before.
Praise Jesus! He put mistakes in the Qu'ran so we would all know it was a false prophesy!
@sexyabe No, 12.36 lunar months per year. He used month=12 when equating 1000 years with 12000 months; but he used month=12.36 when equating one with 655 hours.
Once again, this is proof positive that our one and only lord and savior Jesus Christ purposely put mathematical errors into the Quran, so we would know it is all false. But then, I wonder why Jesus made the Bible say that pi was exactly equal to 3? Well, I could never venture to say, but I'm sure there was a great reason.
I wonder... to anyone who thinks that the Quran and everything in it was just made by humans, and the knowledge had already known before, think of this: the Quran was recieved by Prophed Muhammad (p.b.u.h.) in 610 AD. Did the Grreks had already described the speed of light accurate to one decimal point? I don't think so...
"Exactly that value"....? I don't know what you're talking about. You are mistaken. You can go on finding digits. The exact value is actually an irrational number. That means u need infinite time and precision to find (literally) exact value.
This doesn't even accurately predict the speed of light. Even if it did, does that mean anyone in the history of time that ever suggested that speed = distance over time can be a prophet too?
Watch. One day the muslims will find some indirect evidence that Allah taught us string theory. Lol. Seriously, instead of wasting your time reading a book written by illiterate men in robes, why don't you go to school instead?
Show this to the professors at Cambridge, ask them what they think. Lmfao.
This video is brilliant. The question as to if the Quran was the word of God or not is answered at last.
The speed of light is exactly 299,792,458 m/s or, to use the curiously non-standard km/s used in the video, 299,792.458 km/s. Not 299,792.500km/s. It does not need to be found by experiment, it is defined as having that value. It is exactly that value.
At last, it is proved beyond reasonable doubt that the Quran is therefore not the word of Allah - Allah would have given the correct value.
Nice try but the math at 3:00 doesn't actually make sense, the "route length of the moon's trip in one month" should just be the orbital velocity 3682.07 km/hr multiplied by the period of one orbit , 655.71986 hours (here they seem to be assuming 1 orbit = 1 month, actually not quite true since 1 orbit is 27.3 days, but close enough), there is *no reason* for that extra "cos a" in the equation, it seems like they stuck it in just to make the numbers work out and hoped no one would notice.
I'm sorry.. did Allah mistakenly think that the moon's rotation is equivalent to that of earth's rotation ? moons day=/=earths day.
Or did muslim scientist, ignorantly, refer to the the passage "sura 32:5" inaccurately in their calculations?
Last time I checked, in this video AND other sources, the verse says, "He regulates the affairs from the heaven to the EARTH,"
Key word: Earth.
Recalculate this with the time equivalent to EARTHS monthly rotation x 1000, and see if it still equals C.
LoHvesiang 1 week ago 4
Be wary of the evidence provided to you. The meter was invented in the late 1600s. 1400 years ago the metric system was not implemented as the SI unit for length, meaning this video is a hoax. The man who had the 'revelation' would no idea what a meter is, and the ~3 x10^8 power speed of light means nothing without the units.
shcsepac 1 week ago
Debunked.
Unfortunately, benevolent YT won't let me post the link in comments.
There is a good article on the Atheist Experience website which thoroughly debunks this theory with ample documentation. More links to other articles and more sources are present there.
megarachnid 1 week ago 2
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uploader are you there? i still dont see the relation between what light can travel in a day and the length of the moon's orbit... how did god mean this by "a thousand years"
mcdudly00 2 weeks ago
Where does the (Cos a) come from? It's not necessary to calculate the orbital length of the moon. I'm pretty sure it's just a variable you defined to MAKE the equation equal our current number for the speed of light.
MatsEP 1 month ago
checkout this link for detailed explanation .....speed-light.info
Naseefabdurazack 1 month ago
Mashaallah, they discovered only a couple of weeks ago that the current measure for the speed of light is actually slightly too slow. If they studied the quran they could have the 'real' version :)
MuslimahMelika 2 months ago
If you get different results on different calculators, it is because of rounding errors - the real result is the same. All you have to do with the speed of light is compare the result in the video - they would take the care to get it right - with the real value of c.
I am not American - USA, Canada, Peru ... it is a big place - and I am not a Christian, or Jew, or anything Abrahamic.
Islam is a religion written in a Semitic language and yet, you hate the Jews. And you call us 'dumb'.
waddletop 2 months ago
@waddletop islam doesnt hate jews , doesnt hate christians , doesnt hate any one , islam tells us to respect the others , this video shows u a proof that islam is correct , we have other proves ;) many ;)
sawali1994 1 month ago
@sawali1994 'this video shows u a proof that islam is correct'
The result is wrong therefore, if it is proof of anything, it is proof that Islam is wrong.
waddletop 1 month ago
@waddletop
this video true
bethoveenzeyad 2 weeks ago
@bethoveenzeyad 'this video true '
The truth that this video tells is that The Quran is not the word of any god simply because the value for the speed of light in the Quran is not the same as the real value for the speed of light.
Allah did not write the Quran - Allah would have known the true value for the speed of light and not given the false value that is in the Quran.
waddletop 2 weeks ago
@waddletop
299792.49 km/sec this true 100%
us national & british national NOT EXACTLY true
the number on quran exactly 100%
bethoveenzeyad 2 weeks ago
@bethoveenzeyad '299792.49 km/sec this true 100%'
No it isn't. The true number is 299,792,458 metres per second or 299792.458 km/sec.
299792.458 is not the same as 299792.49.
So, the Quran value is wrong therefore the Quran is wrong.
Why are you even comparing it with human experimental results anyway? Are you saying that the Quran is written by someone who didn't /know/ the answer?
waddletop 2 weeks ago
@waddletop
sir ,, 299792.458 this WRONG
2997920.49 this TRUE
becouse they are different between us number and britich number
so whos true us or britich ???? BOTH WRONG becous both not same
the number in quran exactly true
becous the quran said that befor 1400 years ago
bethoveenzeyad 2 weeks ago
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@bethoveenzeyad 'sir ,, 299792.458 this WRONG
2997920.49 this TRUE'
299,792.458 km/s is exactly right. It is a primary standard. It is not determined through experiment or from anything else.
If Allah knew this, He would have made sure you would get only the correct number from the Quran.
Go look up the value on Wikipedia, Google, anywhere..
From Wikipedia...
'Exact values
Metres per second 299,792,458'
This is not British or US, it is the universe.
The Quran is wrong.
waddletop 2 weeks ago
@waddletop Excuse me, sir, but you are completely contradicting yourself. At first you say the true value is 299,792,458 m/s. This is the experimental result of us humans. You go on to say "Why are you even comparing it with human results anyway?" Sorry, but you're talking to yourself in that situation. Anyway, you know deep in your heart that those decimal places are irrelevant, meaning these two numbers are far too close for some HUMAN to have figured out back during Prophet Muhammad's time.
gangsterbeater 2 weeks ago
@gangsterbeater
yes and he didnt say whos true us number or britich number or franch number
all thats countrys differents numbers speed of light in decimal places
so ALL THATS NUMBERS WRONG becouse not same
the number in quran is TRUE becouse quran before 1400 years ago
not before 20 or 30 years
bethoveenzeyad 2 weeks ago
@bethoveenzeyad 'the number in quran is TRUE becouse quran before 1400 years ago not before 20 or 30 years '
Allah would have known about the 299,792,458 value and make sure it was the value given in the Quran, if Allah is a true God.
The Quran is supposed to be timeless - are you now saying that it is out of date?
waddletop 2 weeks ago
@waddletop
please answer me
whos true us number 299792.4574 or britich number 299792.4590 ???? or
both wrong ???????? or both right ???? or franch number is true ???? you
said 2997924574 this us number
but ( not me ) another country like britich said this number WRONG
so all thats numbers defferent between countrys thats why all that numbers WRONG
quran true 100% becouse quran said that befor 1400 years
bethoveenzeyad 2 weeks ago
@bethoveenzeyad 'both wrong ???????? or both right ???? or franch number ...'
I doesn't matter who any number belongs to, if it doesn't say '299,792,458 m/s' or '299,792.458 km/s' then it is wrong.
The British experimental number is wrong, the US experimental number is wrong - if a value is not exactly 299,792,458.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000m/s then it is wrong. Therefore, the Quran is wrong.
waddletop 1 week ago
@waddletop
299792.49 this true 100% , all human numbes is wrong
the smart and biggers whos give the number before 1400 years ago
not modren stupid people give numbers before 20 or 30 years
bethoveenzeyad 1 week ago
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@bethoveenzeyad '299792.49 this true 100%'
Denying that 299,792,458 m/s is the only true answer when you have access to; and know how to use, the resources that all of the rest of us do, only demonstrates to us all that you are a liar to yourself and anybody that is fool enough to believe you.
You should be ashamed of yourself because the only thing you are doing is insulting Islam and all Muslims with your lies.
299,792,458 m/s is the only answer.
waddletop 1 week ago
@gangsterbeater 'you say the true value is 299,792,458 m/s. This is the experimental result of us humans.'
The 299,792,458 m/s value is not determined by experiment. It is the only true value. The experimental values don't matter, regardless of origin.
The decimal places (in km/s) do all matter. Without them being exactly the same, Allah cannot be perfect.
By claiming that they do not matter, you are saying that Allah is a God of 'just about right' as opposed to 'perfection'.
waddletop 2 weeks ago
Find X
vcos a+b sin a=y
so y- 1 = x
thus X has been found
this video is just like this, grow up assholes!!!!!!
aditya199012 3 months ago
The discovered that Neutrino's can travel faster then light :)
It's been observed at CERN
SilveradoNL 3 months ago
guys....if you dont think that you are sure of this...get your calculator and do the math yourselfes....real easy
and see what results comes in the end
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salamu alaykom brothers
94yahya 4 months ago 5
@94yahya 'and see what results comes in the end'
The real value is 299,792,458 m/s. The Quran's result is wrong therefore the whole Quran is wrong.
If the Quran was really Allah's word, the result would be correct but it is incorrect.
This video demonstrates scientifically that the claim that "the Quran is the word of Allah" is a FALSE CLAIM.
Unless, ALLAH is a FALSE GOD.
waddletop 3 months ago
@waddletop no offence...but i did it on more than 1 calculator....not every calculator gives the same1....try to do it more than one...but thanks anyway that you did try my method :)
94yahya 2 months ago
@waddletop are you americam? , because they are dump in maths.
ahmrou82 2 months ago
@ahmrou82 i did for 4 times and it gives the same.
ahmrou82 2 months ago
Did some digging on Cosine Alpha and found the answer to be quite simple so bare with me: Calculating moon's tangential speed is trickier than earth because earth has one movement w.r.t the sun, while the moon has 2 (around earth + sun). That tangent velocity (responsible for the absolute/real distance traveled) is simply the moon's absolute speed X Cosine the angle between the original moon, and the final moon 1 sidereal month later, which is 27 degrees. Checks out perfectly (unsurprisingly).
oldjet 4 months ago
Quran teaches Paedophilia , that is all
thone2008 4 months ago
"a thousand years" is a measurement of distance? Orbital velocity of the moon is closer to 3679.2 km/h. Its orbital period is closer to 653.5 hours. Sure, these things change over time. As does the rotational period of the earth, so a day would not have been 23H 56M 4S some 1400 years ago. You can't use current and ancient values mixed together. And where did the value for alpha come from? Maybe I missed it somewhere.
pyrobryan 4 months ago
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Did some digging on Cosine Alpha and found the answer to be quite simple so bare with me: Calculating moon's tangential speed is trickier than earth because earth has one movement w.r.t the sun, while the moon has 2 (around earth + sun). That tangent velocity (responsible for the absolute/real distance traveled) is simply the moon's absolute speed X Cosine the angle between the original moon, and the final moon 1 sidereal month later, which is 27 degrees. Checks out perfectly (unsurprisingly).
oldjet 4 months ago
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oldjet 4 months ago
im a citicen of the world!!!!! and you are also!!!!!!
MsRumpelheinz 4 months ago
@silveren777
what you were explaining really is beyond my comprehension :P but i respect your knowledge :)
@HighFlyingDutchman
About the marriage, it was not mentioned in the Quraan anywhere about the age of Aisha. the story is distorted, but one thing for a fact that she was the youngest of his wives (PBUH). The prophet was in his early 50s at the time, and Aisha used to accompany him to battles to attend to the sick and wounded...
OOjkaiko 5 months ago
@silveren777
what you were explaining really is beyond my comprehension :P but i respect your knowledge :)
@HighFlyingDutchman
the verses you (assuming only the verse itself) read were not an order/suggestion/recomendation to any muslim to commit a crime by killing! it is part of a story that happened and that then the advise was to kill an infidel, not because that person is an infidel but because of his/her crimes.
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@OOjkaiko
Please tell me what you don't understand in my comment.
silveren777 5 months ago
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What a reach. This is the same book that says the earth is flat. Islam is a fundamentally violent and barbaric superstition that makes no pretense of peaceful co-existence. Islam is a threat to humanity and civilization. No one who claims allegiance to Islam should ever be taken seriously in any forum.
bddc201 5 months ago
@bddc201
thanks for your enlightening comment,
we will be more careful about people who claim allegiance to Islam after this
actually the earth is clearly ROUND in Quran (search it in my vids or in YT) and Islam is not a threat to anything which is all about submission to OUR Creator and which forbids killing ANY innocent human being,even innocent animals(forbidden to even hurt them)
but brainless maniacs who are just ordinary terrorists are threat for not only nonmuslims but for all of US!
HighFlyingDutchman 5 months ago 16
@HighFlyingDutchman "Kill the infidel wherever you find him". Thats in the Quran. It also says the earth is flat; "laid out like a sheet". Muhammed was a misanthropic, sociopathic murderer who raped a 9 yr old girl. Whats most surprising about this fact is that Islam's followers never deny it. Rational people cannot relate morally or intellectually with people who worship a bronze age mass murderer and child molester, nor should they. Serve humanity and burn your Quran.
bddc201 5 months ago
@bddc201
Interesting that you should mention the shape of Earth in Quran. Arabs (namely bedouins in the Arab peninsula) refer to a single bird's egg (usually chicken :) as "dihhiya", the term derived from "Udhya" which is the ostrich's nest in ancient arabic. The quran refers to when God created earth: "Walarda bada thalika 'dahaaha' ", the word dahaha is a verb that means: made into the shape of a dihhiya. Interesting that earth looks exactly like an egg :)
oldjet 4 months ago
@oldjet
Especially an Ostrich one which is very round, except being flat on both edges, very much like earth that is not a perfect sphere (flatter at the north/south poles along the axis of rotation). There is another verse in Quran that refers to this as well: that earth's edges have been lessened (made less).
Take care, open your heart, and don't make generalizations. Read authentic history of Mohammed (pbuh) and his companions, and don't source all your knowledge from Fox news.
oldjet 4 months ago
@oldjet Bullshit much? The Quran never uses the word "round" in any language to describe the shape of the earth. When it mentions the ostrich egg, it talks about the way a ostrich will hide it's egg by flattening the dirt over it. "Flat" is how the Quran describes the earth, through the illiterate child molester named Mohammed, who was a killer and possibly criminally insane. He didn't know the earth was round because the voices he heard were in his head and were wrong about much of science.
bddc201 4 months ago
oldjet 4 months ago
@oldjet The Quran doesn't have any logic. All it has is bullshit transcribed through an illiterate child molesting, goat-herding psychopathic killer. No original transcripts are available. Mere belief should never be enough to justify the Quran's misogyny, and genocidal race-bating that appeals to the darkest wishes of evil men. No one who worships a child rapist should ever be taken seriously in any forum.
bddc201 4 months ago
@oldjet You're wrong. The verse with the ostrich eggs says that "Allah" has laid out the earth the same way an ostrich COVERS her egg. "Laid out flat, like a sheet". Mohammed never used the Arabic word for "round" when describing the shape of the earth. Also, the earth does not look "exactly like an egg".
bddc201 4 months ago
@bddc201
The verb "dahaha" means exactly: made into a "dihiyya" = egg. Example: the arabic verb "ajanaha" means made into a "ajeena" = dough.
Moreover, earth looks more like an ostrich's egg than a perfect sphere: Earth is bulged at the equator & flattened at the poles (another Quran verse explicitly states that), the exact shape is called ellipsoid (Lookup "Earth ellipsoid" on wikipedia). The scientific translation of Ellipsoid to Arabic is "Baydawee", DIRECTLY derived from the word "egg" :))
oldjet 4 months ago
@bddc201
There are stupid people all over the word like Bin ladan but it doesn't depend on their religion.
And don't talk about something you don't know,,,,,Quran didn't say that the earth is flat and it's all about respecting others and living in peace.by the way, we have 1.3 billion muslims and only 230 million are Arabs .
If you don't beleve go search in the Internet cause i'm shore about all these stuff .
prax3883 4 months ago
@prax3883 "There are stupid people all over the world". Now there is something we agree on. And by your calculations, there are at least 1.3 billion of them. No matter how many people believe a stupid or evil thing, it will still be every bit as stupid and evil. Mere faith should never be anyone's basis to believe anything. That's why we have science.
bddc201 4 months ago
@bddc201 "And make not God’s (name) an excuse in your oaths against doing good, or acting rightly, or making peace between persons; for God is One Who hears and knows all things. God will not call you to account for thoughtlessness in your oaths, but for the intention in your hearts; and He is Oft-forgiving, Most Forbearing."
- The Quran 2:224-225
mrkimi80 4 months ago
@mrkimi80 Why do you need an invisible friend to do good? You don't. God is imaginary. Judgement after death is cynical fiction, a ploy to manipulate people. The Quran is full of all kinds of anti-social wickedness.
bddc201 4 months ago
@bddc201 Um mate, I'm no expert, but anyone who knows anything about the Qu'ran knows that no-where in the Qu'ran does it say the Earth is flat, you sir, are on crack. Also, here's just a small detail to contradict your ridiculous statement about Islam is violent.. bla bla, all that shit you typed up. The Islamic calendar. Now, I am pretty sure, that 4 months out of 12, COMPLETELY restrict violence in any manner. The stories behind those months are wonderful, do some READING. It's SIMPLE.
InFlamezzzzz 4 months ago
@InFlamezzzzz That's hilarious! 4 months out of the year are set aside for peaceful co-existence and non-violence? September isnt' one of them, is it?
bddc201 4 months ago
@bddc201 Well, it's true, and it's pretty easy to figure out, do some reading from an unbiased source, before being critical. Thus anyone who has any logic would be able to figure out that terrorists didn't abide with the Qu'ran. Suicide is also forbidden, and I'm glad you so easily trusted what the media and government had to say about the terrorist attack on 9/11. If you're going to be a gullible fuck and believe everything your TV tells you, then whatever. I really don't care. Don't reply.
InFlamezzzzz 4 months ago
@InFlamezzzzz If you don't care, then why are you commenting? BTW, in some of my comments I've quoted directly from the Quran (Kill the infidel wherever you find him). So you have no place casually accusing me of gullible complacency or dishonesty. And you can take your "don't reply" bullshit and shove it straight up your gay asshole. Clear enough?
bddc201 4 months ago
@bddc201 why you did not finished what you quoted. do you think we are dump like christian about their religion, they don't read their own bible and they want debat with muslim.
ahmrou82 2 months ago
@ahmrou82 Present a intelligible sentence and I'll post an intelligible reply. What exactly is it you are asking?
bddc201 2 months ago
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@bddc201 What a reach. This is the same book that says the earth is flat. Islam is a fundamentally violent and barbaric superstition that makes no pretense of peaceful co-existence. Islam is a threat to humanity and civilization. No one who claims allegiance to Islam should ever be taken seriously in any forum.
bddc201 1 month ago
bddc201 4 months ago
@bddc201
You are misguided. I pray for Allah to guide you.
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@bddc201 please watch my videos
skatetennis123 2 months ago
Energy = Mass X The Speed Of Light Squared = 72 Virgins
leeri001 5 months ago
"Faith without knowledge is blind, knowledge without faith is lame" - Albert Einstein
ghanifw 5 months ago
syahirSQRT2 'you will just say that "the speed of light is three hundred thousand kilometres per second" that we all know'
It is not defined in km/s, it is always used as m/s. If I were to round it to one significant figure, I would use 'three hundred million metres per second'.
'back to the quran. do you think that the quran is JUST a science textbook? no. it is a book of knowledge'
Faith does not require knowledge.
The Quran teaches a better way of life 1400 years ago. This is now.
waddletop 5 months ago
Rather than appreciating how wonderful an act of our Lord, Allah simplifying what cannot be conceived in those times and leaving it upon the future generation to reinforce their faith by saying hey this is unbelievable, it was not the Quraan that manipulated or lead us to make this calculation, but the Quraan left it ciphered so that the future generations can discovered it on their and see the link... Im gonna get lots of hate messages and disses! :S
OOjkaiko 5 months ago
@OOjkaiko
Ciphered? Let's admit it!
Then why the alleged calculation in the verse is based on (scientifically and quranically) ARBITRARY premises (they took Moon's velocity whereas nothing indicates so, they include a cosine factor from thin air) to unlock lightspeed from the Quran?
This is exactly what one would expect if the verse has nothing to do with physics and that some ppl interpret it according to their preconceptions.
silveren777 5 months ago
... a book which is more than 1400 years old has the insights to offer us a magnificent calculation that took us a life time to imagine says magnitude about itself. Forget not, that Simplicity is trait of a genius and the Quraan was simplifying, forget not that most and if not all religions offer codes and analogies in conveying messages. but over simplifying something just to sound and secure your own belief is not inviting the truth.
OOjkaiko 5 months ago
Now about this video here, some are trying to justify it's error by looking for an over simplified answer, others try arguing that the Quraan is an outdated book because the type of analogy used in it was for those people who would understand the message. here is the best, some of us see a less than .00001 % error and then use it against the Quraan or whomever else to denounce it or him/her. BUT who said that even now we have the correct and final calculation, use doubt my friend...
OOjkaiko 5 months ago
Hollywood and individual or organization created documentaries have challenged and swayed our beliefs to an extend of conviction. Because they provide really compelling hard proof, to those like many of us that dont have the insight capacity to intellectually debate or evaluate.
Therefore i believe doubt is a really important attribute or mind set, this should be said to those scientists when conveying any of their so called facts from their discoveries.
to be continued...
OOjkaiko 5 months ago
129 Atheists disliked this video :D .. يهدى من يشاء و يضل من يشاء
EMohamedNaiem 5 months ago
It doesn't matter how they calculate the figure, the Quran gets 299,792,490m/s whereas the real answer c=299,792,458m/s so whoever wrote the Quran got it wrong. The Quran's answer is different to reality - or, to put it another way, THE SPEED OF LIGHT SCIENTIFICALLY PROVES THAT THE VALUE IN THE QURAN IS WRONG. I suggest that the Quran wasn't written by any God at all.
waddletop 6 months ago
@waddletop so you are saying that Mohammad "almost" knew the correct answer before 1400 years? and who knows, maybe this number is more correct than the UK and US numbers?!!!
masterisaa 5 months ago
@masterisaa 'Mohammad "almost" knew the correct answer'
The Quran is supposed to be the unaltered word of Allah.
If that was so, the value for c given by the Quran could only be exactly right.
The correct (non-experimental) value is exactly 299,792,458m/s.
Any other value is wrong.
Mohammad would have got it exactly right unless he made an error in having Allah's word written down.
As the Quran value is wrong, what else in the Quran is wrong?
Can we trust anything that is in the Quran?
waddletop 5 months ago
@waddletop The calculations for C given in the Quran is not stated explicitly as 299792.49 km/sec. It was given in a concrete way that people of those times could understand, "Days and Thousand of years". 0.008 km/sec difference meant absolutely nothing for the large population during those times. The only difference its makes is to give people like you something to bash it because you don't have anything of real significance in ur life.
emeezee 5 months ago
@emeezee 'The calculations for C given in the Quran is not stated explicitly as 299792.49 km/sec.'
Units for speed are m/s, not km/s - Allah would have known that.
The difference is a lot higher than 8m/s.
Why, when it is an explicit constant, does Allah choose something that changes its speed, such as the moon?
'It was given in a concrete way that people of those times could understand,'
So the figure in the Quran - a document that doe not age - is out of date. As is the rest of the book.
waddletop 5 months ago
@waddletop Don't forget that this calculation had one number from GOD, 1000 days, and the rest are from humans, which is not full numbers, like sidereal day, and moon's route length. this numbers are all approximate numbers to begin with, since we all know that the real numbers are much more detailed (xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx). another thing is that there is a difference between US number and UK number, that means they (both) are also NOT 100% correct.
masterisaa 5 months ago
@masterisaa
Why would Allah choose something that is open to error? This is a test by which the rest of the Quran is judged and it is riddled with errors introduced by Allah by His choice of variables?
Why not just say; 'c=299,792,458m/s' and although, Mohammad, you don't know what that is yet, mankind with progress and, in 1400 years time, understand what this means.'
The US and UK numbers are experimental. The value of c is defined. It is a physical constant by which the metre is derived.
waddletop 5 months ago
@waddletop because if so, you would need to change the sentence every year, which is not what the quran is supposed to be. the content can't be altered.
now, listen. the general conference of weight and measures did say that is the speed of light, and then derived the unit metre. but would you actually say that "the speed of light is two hundred and ninety-nine million, seven hundred and ninety-two thousand, four hundred and fifty-eight metres per second"?
to be continued...
syahirSQRT2 5 months ago
@waddletop ...you will just say that "the speed of light is three hundred thousand kilometres per second" that we all know.
now, back to the quran. do you think that the quran is JUST a science textbook? no. it is a book of knowledge; it teaches muslims the best way of life, it gives the law that muslims can use, it gives the knowledge to mankind. also, Islam wants it's followers to seek for knowledge. they need to have skills in seeking knowledge.
to be continued, again...
syahirSQRT2 5 months ago
@waddletop ...and would you call anyone skillful in seeking knowledge if they just open the Quran and say "ah, the speed of light is about 299792.49km/s". no. the knowledge in the quran will emerge out of the arabic calligraphy as time passes.
before I end these comments, think. if Allah does wrote the sentence that you wrote in the Quran;
1) you will be a muslim because Islam will be officially declared as the true religion, or
2) the existence of Allah will still be doubted.
syahirSQRT2 5 months ago
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I bare witness that there is no god but Allah and Muhammad peace and prayers be upon him is his messenger.
SolidSoulMGS 6 months ago
thats magnificent...but can i know how did u get the parameters of the (DISTANCE)
leandsun 6 months ago
Chuck norris Speed is faster !
AlternativeBroadcast 6 months ago
if you're gonna try to be a scientist do things right it says a thousand years of what you can count ,not the length the moon travels in a thousand years
quzishen 7 months ago
I am not sure i understand how "which is a thousand years" is to be counted as a distance? Because wouldn't that mean that we have an actual distance as to where heaven is? please explain.. kinda confused :)
xxAtrinxx 7 months ago
you are an idiot
mowalli 7 months ago
i did calculations , and i found a speed of aproxiamt. 270 000 meter/secon, and this is the speed of the message from hevens to earth in this verse, i just didn't understood the cos(alpha) in the video , but the speed in this verse of quran that i found isn't somthinh insane like 98908097878078970 or 870989897897689, but it's 270 000 m/s wich seem that has a really strong link with speed of light
brahim121985brahim 7 months ago
@brahim121985brahim boi it takes into account the spiral movement of moon. if u observe closely, the moon dont revolve around earth in circle...infact since earth is also revolving around sun...moon takes a spiral movement along the earth's orbit....thats cos alpha this takes into account the spiral movement.... :)
chmuddi 7 months ago
@chmuddi thnks for the cos(alpha) explication ;)
brahim121985brahim 7 months ago
@chmuddi "takes into account the spiral movement of moon"
uh no man, that's not the explanation given by the video author or the site it is derived from (speed-light.info).
Further, can you explain why they use 655.7 hrs (27.3 days) rather then the actual length of a month in the islamic calender?
theansible 7 months ago
@theansible i have my self studied about this fact from sources other than u have mentioned....they all explicitly explain the spiral movement of moon...thus the factor of cos alpha....i will get back to u soon with the detailed calculations....
chmuddi 6 months ago
@chmuddi "they all explicitly explain the spiral movement of moon"
well... the site i mentioned doesn't, in fact, "spiral movement of moon" is never mentioned. so no. you're wrong, good sir.
"i will get back to u soon with the detailed calculations"
i doubt that very very much.
oh, and before i forget: could you explain again why they use 655.7 hrs (27.3 days) rather then the actual length of a month in the islamic calender? ps: an actual month is 29.5 days
theansible 6 months ago
@theansible i dont use youtube much thus the delay......
second thing what u r quoting is Sinodic Calender System, and here they are using the Sidereal Calender System....reason again is the Sinodic System does not take the Spiral movement of the moon into account. It rather takes moon as moving in circular motion. The Sidereal System, as the name suggests, take the spiral movement to calculate the no of days in a lunar month.
chmuddi 6 months ago
@chmuddi "Sinodic Calender System, and here they are using the Sidereal Calender System"
There is no sidereal calender system! Find me a muslim calender that works with 27.3 days per months. There is no such calender. And if you look at the verse (32:5) it specifically refers to "a thousand years of what you count". And what they count was (and still is) 29.5 days for a lunar month.
Second: what we are talking about is synodic and sidereal orbital periods, not calenders.
So no, try again.
theansible 6 months ago
@theansible what does orbital period mean? dude orbital periods determines the number of "days" moon takes to complete a complete orbit rite? in one its 29.5 in other its 27.3! whats confusing in it? and a calender itself does not determine the number of days in a month. we ourselves divide the days/nights into months. its our own convention. it has nothing to do with the orbits!
chmuddi 6 months ago
@chmuddi No man, an _orbit_ is 27.3 days (sidereal), a _month_ is new moon to new moon, which is 29.5 days (synodic). The islamic calender operates with 29.5 days, hence the number is wrong. In other words, the convention IS to use 29.5 days. Find me a muslim calender that works with 27.3 days, and then we can talk about it. Till then, it's wrong.
theansible 6 months ago
@theansible an orbit of moon is equal to what? a sidereal MONTH! new moon - new moon is an orbit of sinodic...u find me a calender which works without the leap year first :p the fucking leap yer is because of sidereal orbit u fuckard!
chmuddi 6 months ago
@theansible if thats how u r looking at it. tell me one thing. y do in gregorian calender we skip 0.25 days and then add them up after 4 years to make a leap year? coz its our convention!
chmuddi 6 months ago
@chmuddi "leap yer is because of sidereal orbit"
yeah, the sidereal orbit of the EARTH, not the moon
"u find me a calender which works without the leap year first"
islamic calender. done. your turn
"month" is a term that can be used in a few different ways in english. sidereal, synodic, draconic to name a few. however, in terms of the islamic calender (which the equations are based on) it has a very specific meaning, namely "new moon to new moon" which is the synodic period of 29.5 days. explain
theansible 6 months ago
@theansible listen brother. the calculation never stated that they r using the "Islamic month". it is explicitly shown they are using the sidereal system. they never mentioned the word Islamic calender!
chmuddi 6 months ago
@theansible moreover the months is used in the calculation of the distance irrespective to the number of days in the that particular month. 1000years = 12000months. the sidereal system is used for the calculation of the time of one day!
chmuddi 6 months ago
@chmuddi dude, the verse that the calculation comes from specifically says: "a thousand years of what you count", which was/is the lunar cycle. nobody "counts" using the sidereal orbit of the moon. what mohammad would have been using is the standard islamic calender. the calculations are _bound_ to the synodic orbital period, or what is referred to as a month in the islamic calender. that the calculations use something other than 29.5 days is proof that it is just number fitting, ie. wrong.
theansible 6 months ago
@theansible For reference: search scribd for 337010...the first result explains it.
chmuddi 6 months ago
@theansible there is no "length of day" in Islamic calender.....its the Sinodic and Sidereal System which btw are not calculated by the Quran or Islam....they are the different conventions used by everyone to calculate the length of day even by Gregorian Calender :p
chmuddi 6 months ago
@brahim121985brahim boi it takes into account the spiral movement of moon. if u observe closely, the moon dont revolve around earth in circle...infact since earth is also revolving around sun...moon takes a spiral movement along the earth's orbit....thats cos alpha this takes into account the spiral movement.... :)
chmuddi 7 months ago
@chmuddi
In fact, viewed from heliocentric reference, the Moon has not a spiral orbit, but a convex one; indeed Moon's velocity around the Earth is lower than Earth's around the Sun.
BTW The cosine factor you invoke belongs to the realm of pseudoscience.
silveren777 6 months ago
No god but Allah, prophet Mohammad his messenger, Jesus was a messenger too
AlwaysLookForTruth 8 months ago
I respect Islam and Quran, but this equation is WRONG, incorrect!
konstantindi 8 months ago
Ugh.... this is such complete bull shit its not even funny. You know, reading the comments here explains why the world is in the shape its in. Morons, the whole bunch of you.....
nyclposter 8 months ago
dont blame religions! those shits started shtloads of wars and causes deaths of sht loads of things.
PanORotta 8 months ago
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there's another miracle you should speek of: The speed of sound and the speed of fart . See the reason bellow:
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 11, Number 582, Book of adhan
Allah's Apostle said, "When the Adhan is pronounced Satan takes to his heels and passes wind with noise during his flight in order not to hear the Adhan
endofmyth 8 months ago
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endofmyth 8 months ago
I heard that Islam and/or Muhammed made the whole math and science thing, so it makes sense.
arghydoodles 8 months ago
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There's only 1 true lord and king of kings
JESUS CHRIST
ferrarimike23 8 months ago
Use the Moon or the Sun makes little difference in Metonic cycle of every 19 years.
365.242189 days (solar tropical year) x 19 = 6939.602 days
29.530588853 days (lunar synodic month) x 235 = 6939.688 days
27.321661547 days (sidereal month) x (19+235) 254= 6939.702 days
The speed of light calculation is correct and would make little difference.
This revelation is in the Torah, Gospel, Bible and Quran.
*May our creator bless us with another revelation that supersedes it's own revelation in truth.
tumbirs 8 months ago
good soundtrack
dkhalak 8 months ago
so true
kgdangar2 9 months ago
wow, really well made, great vid :)
mahdidi96 9 months ago
it all comes back to number 23
MeJJo 9 months ago 2
@MeJJo true
TheDjdouche 7 months ago
what make's you say that
you muslim, and you dont believe in Quran
that's wired
AK13no11 9 months ago
I'm muslim and this is not fucking true. People who made these videos are fucking dumbasses
aboudiabsi 10 months ago
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@aboudiabsi fuck allah!!!
TheMatia84 9 months ago
@TheMatia84 you dumb fuck, allah means god in arabic.. so you're just saying "fuck god" haha what a fucking dumb fuck :P and go hate on someone else, i know that you need to hate on something since your life is too depressing so please go do it somewhere else
aboudiabsi 9 months ago
@aboudiabsi
yu maed breah?
TheMatia84 9 months ago
Bullshit.
SunZen 10 months ago
this is defenitly TRUE thanks for explanation
TheDarkKnight03 10 months ago
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@TeenageIronman
It is bullshit, the earth travels at 29.8km/s so that is 29.8Km x 3600 to get in to hours so the velocity of the earth is 107820 km/ H not the 3682km/h quoted. To work out the speed of earth get the earth sun distance = 149,597,870.7km wikipedia
multiply by 2 x PI =939951143 (to give circumfrence) the divide by time taken to get speed 60 x 60 x 24 *365 so
939951143/ 31536000 = 29.8km/s = Dont belive crap people post to try an prove their backward religion
mrwideboy 10 months ago
im a muslim but i dont beive this is true cuz angels are not of this dimension therfore they are not limited by our boundaries so they can go faster than the speed of light
TeenageIronman 10 months ago
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mrwideboy 10 months ago
@mrwideboy THIS SHIT IS NOT WRITTEN IN THE QURAN SO I DO BELIEVE IT BUT I DONT BELIEVE HIM
TeenageIronman 10 months ago
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@TeenageIronman
It is bullshit, the earth travels at 29.8km/s so that is 29.8Km x 3600 to get in to hours so the velocity of the earth is 107280 km per hour not the 3682km/h quoted. To work out the speed of earth get the earth sun distance = 149,597,870.7km
multiply by 2 x PI =939951118 (to give circumfrence) the divide by time taken to get speed 60 x 60 x 24 *365 Therefore 939951118 kms/ 31536000 secs= 29.8km/s
people will do anything to try and prove what they have been brought up with
mrwideboy 10 months ago
LMAO, HAHAHA! This is bullshit.
All that verse is talking about is how the day of Allah is like a 1000 years. The "affairs" don't even mention light or even matter or particles.
22:47, Muhammad says the same stuff about Allah's day being a 1000 years.
AdmiralCoconuts 10 months ago
i agree with the 2 ppl below. God made the real bible for us to read between the lines, he mentioned Jesus and talked about how he saved us from our sins. anything from this video is crap. not reading between the lines to learn hiddenfacts, putting stuff thats not there in there. thats all it is. making something thats already fake more fake
MrSporeowns 10 months ago
This is too far fetched . You don't convince me that the Quran is something
special . You the moslems want to conquer the whole world .That is what the Quran tells you to do . You will NEVER succeed .
The moslem religion is a disaster for the world that wants to THINK
with FREEDOM
dvainsench 10 months ago
@dvainsench bro, listen. you gotta get your facts straight. there are good people and bad people everywhere. dont fucking judge people by their religions man.. and btw in the Quran, God said that we should respect all religions and all people, they tell us to be humble. Who the fuck told you we wanna conquer the whole world? Everyone wants to fuckin conquer the world you dumb fuck! the illuminati? fucking hitler? so dont fucking blame religions.
aboudiabsi 10 months ago 19
@aboudiabsi
no religeon delivers with hostility. for the bringer of His voice is a brother of peace. not pieces. its normal to get angry. but how you deal with it is reproachable for spreading your holy word. regardless of what its called. god bless you
TheShokwav 8 months ago
@aboudiabsi I just blame the Irrational part of the human mind that makes them act on emotion and impulse instead, rather than on logic.
LogicShadow 8 months ago
@LogicShadow Alright these are personal issues that people have; if you see a Muslim like that, don't assume that all of them are the same, we are different people. It's like saying all Americans are rednecks or all Germans are Nazi.. :P
aboudiabsi 8 months ago
@aboudiabsi Funny how people still think Nationality makes your blood. There are only 3 races people. Caucasians, Africans, and Mongoloids. That makes your blood, and defines who you are as a being. Not your nationality. Or one could look at it as you are human. Nothing more.
LogicShadow 8 months ago
@aboudiabsi 1st line: "bro"
5th line (approx 300 characters later): "dumb fuck"
It's the second time I see a bipolar Muslim acting like this in a comment. Calling someone "friend" and "asshole", all this within 500 characters tops.
athanasiadis24 7 months ago
@athanasiadis24 haha alright wanna see it for the third time? BRO, SHUT THE FUCK UP :) haha aiite ;).. and i call everyone bro, it doesnt actually mean brother.. so umm stop exaggerating and pulling shit from your ass :P bipolar my dick
aboudiabsi 7 months ago
@aboudiabsi I apologize for that, it's just that last time I checked every human being with a fully functional brain considered "bro" to mean "brother", which is a rather friendly word to call someone.
athanasiadis24 7 months ago
@aboudiabsi very well said brother, very well said
these dumb fucks will never understand nomatter how hard we try
may Allah give them tawfiq to understand, Ameen
tafwolf 7 months ago
@dvainsench where in the quran does it tell us to conquer the world?
sexyabe 9 months ago
He equated one 1000 years with 12000 months, which is true, but then he used 655 hours as his definition for a month, but that's just 27 days, which is a lunar month, but it's not the same month he used before.
Praise Jesus! He put mistakes in the Qu'ran so we would all know it was a false prophesy!
nrrinard 10 months ago
@nrrinard 12 months in the lunar calendar
sexyabe 9 months ago
@sexyabe No, 12.36 lunar months per year. He used month=12 when equating 1000 years with 12000 months; but he used month=12.36 when equating one with 655 hours.
Once again, this is proof positive that our one and only lord and savior Jesus Christ purposely put mathematical errors into the Quran, so we would know it is all false. But then, I wonder why Jesus made the Bible say that pi was exactly equal to 3? Well, I could never venture to say, but I'm sure there was a great reason.
nrrinard 9 months ago
@nrrinard you are going to hell for believing in a man-god and worshipping idol crosses.
sexyabe 9 months ago
@nrrinard Oh please do watch the lecture on mathematical miracles in the Quran by Shabir Ally here on youtube.
bobbyjans 8 months ago
I wonder... to anyone who thinks that the Quran and everything in it was just made by humans, and the knowledge had already known before, think of this: the Quran was recieved by Prophed Muhammad (p.b.u.h.) in 610 AD. Did the Grreks had already described the speed of light accurate to one decimal point? I don't think so...
SQRT2isirrational 10 months ago
kafirs got pissed.. hahaha.
fuckyou170 11 months ago
i have goosebumps.... will look into it a bit more
CrawzyGyal 11 months ago
The minor difference could be due to this that one day is not exactly 24h and the earth is not rotating that accurate
perazh 11 months ago
prove that your god is the right god.
Pretty sure he was using it as an expression.
AtBunkergateSeven 11 months ago
prove that your god is the right god.
AtBunkergateSeven 11 months ago
"Exactly that value"....? I don't know what you're talking about. You are mistaken. You can go on finding digits. The exact value is actually an irrational number. That means u need infinite time and precision to find (literally) exact value.
abuisonline34 11 months ago
This doesn't even accurately predict the speed of light. Even if it did, does that mean anyone in the history of time that ever suggested that speed = distance over time can be a prophet too?
Watch. One day the muslims will find some indirect evidence that Allah taught us string theory. Lol. Seriously, instead of wasting your time reading a book written by illiterate men in robes, why don't you go to school instead?
Show this to the professors at Cambridge, ask them what they think. Lmfao.
Moonsummit 1 year ago
This video is brilliant. The question as to if the Quran was the word of God or not is answered at last.
The speed of light is exactly 299,792,458 m/s or, to use the curiously non-standard km/s used in the video, 299,792.458 km/s. Not 299,792.500km/s. It does not need to be found by experiment, it is defined as having that value. It is exactly that value.
At last, it is proved beyond reasonable doubt that the Quran is therefore not the word of Allah - Allah would have given the correct value.
waddletop 1 year ago
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religion will get you where you will be
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adocflit 1 year ago
No I do not see the equation. But I did see the load of nonsense after it.
PikPobedy 1 year ago
when I'm in heaven with God will go with the speed of thought... the speed of light will slow for me.
CristyFIare 1 year ago
simple fact that no-one ever mentions, if the speed of light is constant then the universe cannot be infinite, only 1 can be true, which is it?
RAMP4GEMAT 1 year ago
Now I checked the numbers
That's really sad: I'm no scientist so I cannot tell whether the equation used is true. Regardless
Check this in the video T= 655.71986 hr. That's a lie go to any fact sheet about the moon. It is 655.728 hrs.
You might think that the dif in decimals is irrelevant but keep in mind that the number is multiplied by 12000
with the real time the final result is 299796.22 km/hr
the diference is 4km/hr from the video
not the speed of light
bogus
endofmyth 1 year ago
The Earth day is increasing is 0.0018 seconds/century
The semi-major axis of the lunar orbit is increasing by 3.8 centimeters/year
which means that 1400 yeasr ago it was 5.32 Km closer to earth
I didn't go into the details of numbers in the video
But the fact that i stated alone is enough to prove that there is nothing scientific about the verse
Since numbers are always changing
endofmyth 1 year ago
Nice try but the math at 3:00 doesn't actually make sense, the "route length of the moon's trip in one month" should just be the orbital velocity 3682.07 km/hr multiplied by the period of one orbit , 655.71986 hours (here they seem to be assuming 1 orbit = 1 month, actually not quite true since 1 orbit is 27.3 days, but close enough), there is *no reason* for that extra "cos a" in the equation, it seems like they stuck it in just to make the numbers work out and hoped no one would notice.
hypnosifl 1 year ago