Marten Hagstrom 8 string Ibanez guitar part 2

[Z32spdstr]

hell sig series guitars for fredrick and marten they desereve it come on ibanez make them for them the deserve to have sig series guitars

[Z32spdstr]

hell sig series guitars for fredrick and marten they desereve it

[deadmetal5000]

my problem with meshuggah playing an 8 is, they frequently tape off the high 5 strings

[NecroButcher91]

@deadmetal5000 Well the other option would be to play a baritone six string, but they also have to be able to play songs on their early albums that were written on seven strings. Just untape it and you've got all the strings you'll need.This idea that extra strings are only advantageous for lead players is pure elitist bullshit.

[proggod876]

who cares about the AMP!!!!!

its a kick ass guitar!!!!!

[woteverz123]

if i woke up to being aped and found that it was marten, i would pretend to be asleep and let him finish, with a big smile on my face and boner in my pants

[yapst1979]

he forgot to buy a amp....

[Bwick99]

@yapst1979

lol, now you notice...I hear it too

[thenameiwantedwasnta]

they should have ibanez signatures!!!

[Rezeophilus5]

i agree, heck, meshuggah changed the oulook on guitar completely for me

[thenameiwantedwasnta]

especially the iceman

drool...

[mickyhodge]

@thenameiwantedwasnta yes they should, it would a proper 30 inch scale too, so no floppy F sharp string of the one ibanez make commercially

[proggod876]

@thenameiwantedwasnta it is a custom

[thenameiwantedwasnta]

@proggod876 I know?

[MADEINMAIDEN]

plug in the guitar mate so we can hear......

[6672rock]

Kind of hard to demonstrate riffs on an 8-string guitar when it's not plugged in. Those low strings don't ring clear at all.

[Tritono9]

i see, you dont have good monitors OR you dont have good ears... maybe the last part, because i can hear all crear and strong.

[musicdood0066]

I wish he would have plugged in! Cool video, though.

[blackseeds666]

scale?

[FuriousHamster]

30 inch

[vontetzianos]

I think it's 30.5"

[Rockgod7321]

he looks like ricky from trailer park boys but with longer hair :)

[Arycke]

*also* Ibanez should just fan the frets like Conklin and Novax, it would eliminate most intonation problems due to neck length because of it's multi-scale nature.

[ObscuredInside]

look at the conklin site how much fanned frets cost...a little 1000$ maybe?that's not a problem to do for meshuggah's custom guitars,but either way the cost is to high to release it in the regular production model,not to mention that meshuggah's guitars will look "alien" to the majority or people...people are already sceptical about 8s,so if they see the fanned frets they'll say "dude!an 8 string with a neck wide as a bench with alien fret design!" and bye-bye warm soothing 1700$ for the RG2228

[Arycke]

I know, i've looked into some of their guitars and talked to some owners of conklin's with fanned frets. They say there is almost no difference in playing, so that is not an issue, and if people are skeptical about an 8 string, then they are just not willing to change that much. I personally will never buy the RG2228 because it cannot support a high A, only a muddy low F#, but I understand where you are coming from, it just boils down to a marketing issue.

[ObscuredInside]

exactly...the bad thing is that you must go custom to obtain fanned frets and it really costs..maybe in the future there will be a company with the balls to make a multiscale a production model...and the only brand i know that can do that is Agile,cause it runs with only 1-2 8 string models ad that reduces the cost...

[blackseeds666]

there already is a company

check out ran guitars. they'll make you everything u want

[ObscuredInside]

i was talking about production models..surely a custom shop makes everything u want and charges accordingly...

[vontetzianos]

Roter Custom Guitars in Poland is working to bring production fan fret models. Its mainly sevens at the moment but I'm sure they'll expand to 8 strings.

Rondo Music is also working of production fan fret models.

[philkilla666]

They won't do 8 strings though unfortunately.

[Arycke]

What a waste of an 8 string, not even utlilizing it to it's full potential. People like Marshall Harrison and a few others who use the better version of the 8 string (i.e. having the High A instead of the muddy low F# without drop tuning) and use it dynamically and in a very unique way. Conklin is the only way to go with 8 strings (or the Schecter c-8 with a high a).

[parquar]

It is only muddy with chords

[LateralisArt]

dammit Marten you f-ing tease! Plug that shit in! :D

[NeuroHead]

Mårten is awesome!! I would love to sit down and drink with this dude.

He got a new born son this year. congrats!

[jtonessimo]

ever hear of an amp?

[warriorxtman]

there is a new schecter hellraiser called the c-8. it's only $899 and it's badass. emg 808, set neck, looks like a hellraiser. have one in a week or so.

[cutbell]

Give that man an amp

[LordHines420]

I wish Ibanez offered a 32 inch neck on their RG2228..... FUCK it's only 27 inches.......

[wbwillie]

why 32 inches?

[LordHines420]

longer scale gives you better tone, sustain, and proper intonation. strings are tighter and longer. quite a big difference actually. 27 inches is not enough. you can get good intonation on the rg2228, but then you get fret buzz. its just about impossible to get a perfect setup with one unless you use the stick strings which are far too small and floppy, which gives you even worse tension, tone, and sustain. its a mess.

conclusion: meshuggah know what they are doing, lol. :)

[LordHines420]

stock strings* :)

[LateralisArt]

having the larger scale makes playing "normally", like with chords, barre chords and stuff, very difficult. not impossible, of course, but longer scale means wider frets, and more stretching to finger chords.

the super-long scale works well for meshuggah because they play mainly single note riffs or powerchords, but for anyone who wants to also play normally I think 32 inch ist too much. hell, tons of people sent back their Agile 8-strings because they couldn't handle the 28 inch scale.

[LordHines420]

I know what you mean. I can't play old school metal on my 8 string for shit! So I have my 7 string setup for old school metal and lead work. its so much better for that.

[ObscuredInside]

i've played the standard ibanez 8 string and the scale wasn't much of a problem for me...i'm planning to get an 8 string agile in the near future don't tell me that XD

[rtfk101]

also, would it have killed him to plug in the guitar??

[JonDeth]

I second that

Players should also understand his view as a rhythm guitarist is very different than that of a lead. A rhythmist will simply get more out of an 8 string than a lead since their thinking is more modular & infinite-he can choose an exclusive spot on the neck and build an exclusive rhythm alien to the next song he finds

Lead players tend to want to constantly shift all over the place while being connected-8 strings are alluring but dont offer up as much to us as many like to believe

[rtfk101]

where do i buy guitar strings for an 8 string guitar-meshuggah style?

[MetallicanGuitarist]

Ibanez has an 8 string line, well its only one model, and last i saw it was around $1,200 USD. Google it and you should be able to find it, or look on their website.

ESP also makes an 8 string, but i havent seen the prices on that, so you'll have to Google it.

[bdberncraft]

The RG is up to 1800 now. The ESP model at Musician's Friend is 1129.

[smickitysmack]

ok..i can never get it straight.. these guys are from norway, but the titles of their songs are english, and here he speaks perfect american english...are they just incredibly apt to english american pronunciation?

[frozenaeons]

Swedish, and yeah I think they are just apt to English. They're not that young, which also may play a part in their English speaking. The other members are around 35-40, so I imagine Marten is also up there.

[fingerboy18]

When I met The Flower Kings, they have a huge Swedish accent. I guess some can adapt to English easier. He speaks it extremely well.

[mjonas10]

It has a lot to do with age, generally the younger you are the more exposed you've been to English, thus most people over 50 aren't that good with English.

[TheCeimertz]

they are from umeo i think

[NeuroHead]

Yeah Umeå . A shit hole up in the north of sweden . But they have always had a music scene that is out of this world.

Why i don't know.

[thenameiwantedwasnta]

its typical for northern swedish folk music to change the time signature in the middle of the song

i guess it influences artist from umeå

even metalheads

[LightOfTruth777]

he has solo skills.. now use it?

[mitsotakis666]

It is so stupid to buy a 7 string or an 8 string and play only in the first two strings. What's the point of buying these guitars and not put thick strings on a six string guitar? That's why most guitarists prefere a baritone 6 string guitar than a 7 string guitar. Also how much lower we'll tune a guitar? First it was D and C# then B and A and now F! Why dont you try a bass guitar it will be much better :P

[LightOfTruth777]

yeah... omg.. I agree.

[XxSconeManxX]

you're pretty ignorant aren't you?

[rivera213]

Well, in Meshuggah, whilst Marten is predominantely a rhythm guitarist, Fredrik Thordendal is both a sick rhythm guitarist AND an excellent lead guitarist and uses the full range of an 8-string guitar.

Hagstrom is comfortable playing an 8 and probably takes the view it's better to have the full 8-string note range & not be limited than only have the lowest 6-strings and be restricted.

[mitsotakis666]

I'l agree with you. That's not restricted but how you want to sound if you want low notes or high notes on your guitar. Marten wants both and that's all.

[ShonTheIbanezFreak]

PLEASE STOP ARGUING IN TEXT COMMENTS

GET GIRLFRIENDS

JESUS FUCKING CHRIST

good video though!

[LivingLegend1337]

.70 o_O

[MurderSoul216]

Plenty of people use a .70 for low tunings. Karl Sanders, Zack Wylde, etc.

As for Rusty Cooley, at least Marten can play music, instead of that senseless shred garbage.

As for all these people with 9 or more strings, this is the reason i will not buy an 8 string. As Chuck Schuldiner said "I also refuse bying a 7-string guitar, it's a trend, nobody is being creative with the extra string, they only use it for an extra low tuning.". He's completely right. It's just become a string number contest

[taylorrichard]

he should try a baritone guitar

[MurderSoul216]

Agreed. Or he should buy one of those Bass IV's. 30" scale, technically basses tuned EADGBE, same octave as bass. He'll have the same length and what not, but not have the pain of such a wide neck. It's not like he uses more than 3 or 4 strings anyway.

I think he wants to keep his 8 strings, mainly because it keeps him popular with the extended range crowd that hangs around on guitar forums. If they didn't use these, I don't think they would be as popular. I can honestly say I don't like them.

[LordHines420]

wrong. did u not watch this video at all? have u never heard any meshuggah? marty just said the extra deep strings open the whole guitar up. it's true. i know personally. 6 string guitars are useless today.

[MurderSoul216]

You are the biggest tool. strings are strings. Hell, with all those Mushuggah videos you have up on your account, you would know that they only ever use the lowest 4 strings. You can tune a 6 as low as you want.

Normally I would go into a serious argument, but after seeing all your youtube videos, I'm assured you're one of these morons that thinks Meshuggah is the greatest band alive.

FYI- Gorguts and Demilich have succeeded where Mushuggah has failed.

[LordHines420]

shut the fuck up, you piece of shit.

only a moron like you wouldn't know that putting bigger strings on a 6 string guitar would REMOVE the smallest two lead strings which we use all the time, and so does meshuggah. that's the point in using a 7 or an 8 string guitar. it's to maintain the higher tones while giving the lower ones, too.

wow. what a moron you are! :) that's right, go back to your kiddie 6 string. leave the rest to the real guitar players.

[MurderSoul216]

Lol, make you cry?

Yes, an 8 string gives you more range, based on 4th tuning. However, Meshuggah only uses the lowest 4, so it's not like they need the higher strings.

Kiddie 6 string? lolololol

You're just an immature little elitist from sevenstring . org

I see you like Morbid Angel. Tell Trey he's using a kiddie 6 string.

You're the one that fell for a fad.

[LordHines420]

fell for a fad? is that why I'm about to buy a 1,600 dollar 8 string Ibanez soon? that ain't no fad, buddy.

sorry, but like I said, you need the extra strings to maintain higher lead notes. u clearly have never listened to any meshuggah. do that, then we'll talk.

[MurderSoul216]

Fads can be expensive. Look at purses, cars, etc.

The guitar is the guitar. It has as much range as it has. If you want a multi-stringed instrument, that's up to you. Does this make guitars (which have 6 strings) useless? No. By your argument guitars are useless because pianos have more strings. Why don't you drop your kiddie 8 string and get a 97 note grand piano?

[LordHines420]

Hmmmm, nah.6 strings are OK if you plan to tune lower with thicker strings, but then you lose range. 8 is great for the meshuggah crowd. but that's for single note stuff. chords are shit on an 8 and sometimes 7. but that's not what they are for. some bands are doing that, which is crap. meshuggah really know how to play that 8 string. hey, you're either a fan or you're not. don't know what to tell you.

I didn;t understand at first, until I couldn't hit hi some notes with my 7 tuned down to F 8.

[SENATVSABMORTVM666]

you aint rusty cooley!

put that shit down son.

fail.just call it quits.

[userios]

I have a 9-string.

[Ravenhunt]

I would really like to see it..^ ^

[Lengonator]

hi my friend has a 11string...no bullshit i can send a pic if you want

[userios]

i don't want to see pictures of his g-string collection

[Lengonator]

hehe right...but im serious. he`s got an 11 stringed guitar.

[webbtje]

Lol, this must be the only bit of evidence that Marten can play lead. And bloody well, too.

[Transgression92]

that is not the first ide of Lethargica that is the pre-verse of Perpetual black second you can check on Nothing :)

[33vai33]

i think the parts at 1:35 - 1:40 were probably the first ideas for Lethargica

[AdamDallas]

It sounds more like closed eye visuals from nothing to me XD

[ILuvMongoose]

For anyone who didn't know, I'll clear up the Tomas Haake Programmed/Real Drums on Obzen debate.

Haake DID record drums for Obzen, but then with the magic of modern technology they replaced his performance with DFH sounds.

It's all Haake's performance.

It doesn't have to be one way or the other, the tools are out there to replace the sounds of a drummer kit with something else AND maintain the performance.

But yeah, Haake played drums on Obzen, but it's DFH aswell.

[DesecratedProduction]

I think they ordinary mic and triggers on the drums and used both dfh and real acoustic sound, At least that is what he said in an interview recently.

[ILuvMongoose]

Yeah they miced it up, recorded tracks, then converted all the drum tracks to midi and fed that through a drum sampler, DFH.

Anyone who's used DFH can hear the sound a mile off, but it's too natural to be programmed in by hand.

[Thegrimson]

Exactly.

[LateralisArt]

I wish Haake hadn't done that, I really prefer his natural drum sound, i.e. Nothing or DEI, which IMO is him drumming at his finest.

[ILuvMongoose]

I agree to an extent.

Drumkit From Hell Superior has Haake's kit sampled anyway, so you're still hearing his kit, sort of, and the way they convert the hits to midi to be ran through DFHS can still maintain the subtlety and nuance of the performance, but it's not gonna sound as real as a real kit being hit with real sticks by a real drummer miced up in a real room with real mics, obviously.

[webbtje]

I want an 8 string. No reason why, but I just think it would be cool.

[jezuse]

Dam i wish he wouldah had that guitar hooked up

[thejerseygatt]

I'm pretty sure they did NOT use DFH on ObZen. Haake did it in the studio

[TheForeteller]

His guitar is tuned low F....my 7 string guitar is tuned B standard minus high E and adding low F#.....my bass is tuned G#,B,E,A,D...I still play power chords on low F#(but not below G# or 2nd fret because too muddy)the only notes not in power chord is G and F#..but the rest is and sounds good.just so you know!

[Redzombie13]

I Just Heard The New Single From Meshuggah Entitled,"Bleed" From Their New CD,"Obzen"!!! It's So Totally Bad Ass And Tomas Haake Is 1nce Again Killin' It On The Drums; This Time With A Different Double Bass-Odd Time Signature, Double Bass Metric Displacement Sound. And Jens Is 1nce Again The Premiere Death Metal Vocalist=)!!! Go To Their Myspace Profile And Listen If You Haven't Already

[jennyischinese]

Sorry to dissapoint you, but they used programmed drums on this album too... Ofc Tomas Haake can play it (he can play everything), but the drums you hear on the album is not him.

[Meshuggah4521]

Uh, hate to break it to ya jennyischinese, but Haake recorded those drums live on ObZen. That's been one of the biggest deals on the whole album- that real drums are returning, and how excited Haake was to get back in the studio. Whoever told you they are programmed is wrong.

[Redzombie13]

Meshuggah4521 is right, because I read that on this album, Tomas was gonna record all of the drum tracks on this one live.. But even if there was any drum programmin don on this album, he still beats the hell out of his Sonor drum kits live and it sounds just the same as on the CD!!!

[m1sterh0tsauc3]

haake recorded the new album live bro

look it up

and yes...he is that good

[sanderchip]

let me correct you , on this new cd,obzen haake is doing the studio drumming on catch 33 is were they were programed. but this new release is all by the master himself!

[8stringerr]

your a fucking faggot

[somefewword]

does anybody know if there is other strings than DR's for an eight strings?

[Lupi2]

i poop 8strings.

[Kabz8]

Can this even be called a lesson? I love Meshuggah, but this is silly.

[jimboindahouse]

would that beast accept .90 lowest and .20w highest?

how long in inches is the beasty ibanez?

p.s (I HATE thin strings)

[evilcartman555]

90 is retarded lol you should use like an 80 or 75 max

[Enemyofreali7y]

Not really. I use a 70 for my B on my 7 string.

[HitomiCOD2]

my thoughts the whole video long: plug it in plug it in plug it in plug it in I WANNA HEAR IT, plug it in plug it in PLEASE!

[patrickhufschmid]

want to see a very cool 8 string? look up for hufschmid guitars

[elmeier100]

I will look

[alberthouwaart]

i already got him!!

this guitar rules bro

the neck is thin thinner then a 7 string

i only took a 0080 bass string for the 8th string so i can play chords now.

greetz appie x

[elmeier100]

Congrats dude, but does the locking nut and/or the tuner accept an 0.80 string?

[patrickhufschmid]

nope you have to redrill the tuner..... i put a .60 on my new 8 string

[elmeier100]

Some tuners accept 0.75 or 0.80 like akkord ones. And what about the locking nut?

[cobhc7]

i use .60 for 7 string doesnt it have to be at least .80 for 8 string?

[elmeier100]

You have to try out some different calibers, and see which one it's better. A 0.80 will work very good IMO.

[M1E1R]

Agree. 07 with that tuning is too thin even on a 27" guitar.

[Blixish]

Actually, this isn't exactly the same one, mine has twin humbucker active pickups. :P

Gah, I can't wait. :DDD

[Blixish]

I just ordered this guitar. (The Rg2228 GK)

Only 5 of em come to norway, I reserved one. It'll be here in october. :D

[motorheadrdbest]

sounds like a bass wen its not pluged in

[overstimulation]

plug the damn thing in man... let's hear that baby!!!

[kutmongool2]

u can make video like rusty cooley? yes? u make for me?

[elmeier100]

i don't think marten wants to play that type of music.

[kutmongool2]

where u get this guitar? in the newest guitarstore in afrikan zoo?

[elmeier100]

Maybe

[kutmongool2]

where is ur amp? i dont here sound! i am deaf or no? no right?

[kutmongool2]

why u got so many string/

[bidul37]

Microtonal guitar (more than 12 frets per octave, for example) is another interesting way to explore the unknown in music!

[nightrainiii]

lol that would be like an electric sitar.

[elmeier100]

Fucking nice idea, like 1/4 tone separation.

[Schyso]

Urg... that would make some perfect tuned ears bleed :)

[elmeier100]

That's what i love youtubers... always annoying.

[Breaker15ioc]

massive

[elmeier100]

What you said \M/

[maidenfan12]

Yet it's his fault that english isn't his mother tongue? Idiot. Awesome video, I wonder how much Meshuggah style music there will be in a year or two, now that the 8 string's a production model. Should be interesting.

[elmeier100]

Man i'm from Argentina and my mother language it's spanish, but i try to improve on my english.

It would be interesting to try the guitar and see if it can give a good sound on that F#. But the big problem of all of this is that it's 27" and shuggah one it's 32".

[poop770]

just buy a bass with a 32". Thats what i'm going to do.

[Meta1Head91]

Good man and I would do that too. Amp it up man cause I cant hear shit apart from twang twang twang!

[cscarp4503]

congrats on having no range.

[poop770]

congrats on having me kick your ass.

[cscarp4503]

wow low level intellect and a online tough guy, hahahaha the internet would not be as exciting without the idiocy you so admirably display. keep it up stupid.

[poop770]

I have low level intellect because I said I want to kick your ass?.. ooook that makes alot of sense. I think you should look in the mirror. Anyways, I dont listen to anyone who has Moby videos in their favorites. fag.

[jordanbstead]

Dog - that's harsh. Not my fault he can't string together a cohesive sentence.

[elmeier100]

Ok, i'm wasting my time answering. Just listen some Meshuggah and try to do any song like that.

[Schyso]

Yeah when you'll speak swedish as well as he speak english you'll be right to mock him... until then shut the fuck up

[jordanbstead]

Naw.

[elmeier100]

So don't annoy on my post and get a life!

[Xtremeyeyer]

hey dude.. how is the tune of this guitar??

[elmeier100]

Again, F#BEADGBE From low to high.

[jordanbstead]

oh my god - this guy is an idiot. "play stuff like this... and this... using the skills, you know?" hahaha

[elmeier100]

Just upload your video playing some Meshuggah stuff and then will see who's the idiot LOL

[ppgato]

PLUG IT GODDAMM!!!!!

[Lupi2]

he played very Korn type things. Thats really a 'Korn approach' he shows. i have one question. how is the 8-string tuned?

[elmeier100]

Korn stuff? I don't see munky playing those pollyrythmics songs hehehe.

It's tuned in FBbEbAbDbGbBbEb

[Lupi2]

ok and what is standard tuning for 8strings? i assume that is meshuaggah tuning. munky's gonna use ibanez 8's too btw. has already done live actually few times for some songs.

[elmeier100]

You can tune in what you weant, but the standard tuning it's F#BEADGBE. Munky tunes in A with the 7 string so with the 8, i think that he's tuning in E.

[Lupi2]

lol lowest strings will be standard tuning again than only one octave lower; EADG.. damn haha

[elmeier100]

Yeah hahaha.

[RobWaade]

does it have a floating bridge? if so is it really stiff? (because of the 2 extra strings = more tension on the bridge)

[elmeier100]

It has a fixed bridge.

[elmeier100]

It has fixed bridge, it's a edge III but fixed.