@IcemanSupaFly I don't play that game derp. Like BertaQueefy posts a comment and 30 secs later it has 4 "likes."That is for girls who play hopscotch. The truth can speak on its own.
@IcemanSupaFly What I eat all day every day? That is impossible to tell in 500 characters you moronic piss ant child. I am 100% vegan, 75% raw foodist, I eat fresh, whole, wholesome fruits and veggies, at night I often has a cooked meal of steams veggies or beans.
I'm sorry for being rude, it's usually not my manner of speech - I'll no longer participate in this discussion, as it's just a fight between some zealot and people showing the truth.
The medical truth is vegans need supplementation to be healthy.
@CanadaHC "Fathomless, can you live off grass in a pasture for the rest of your life? If not, you're not an herbivore. Just an idiot." What would that prove if I could not?
@AlbertaBeefy "He cannot go without B12. No vegan can" But you still have failed to prove that eating animals is nature's only source so B12. It simply isn't true. Where to livestock get their B12, Big B?
... and the below quote is NOT an opinion, as Fathomless would have anyone believe, it's a quote from the American Journal Of Clinical nutrition on the problems with vegan diets.
Peer-reviewed and published in major medical journals, like dozens of articles he doesn't want you to see...
I said that it is quite odd that you spend so much of your time raising red flags about vegan deficiencies when it is meat eaters who have the most deficiencies. Is this not true?
Moreover, the chance of a vegan having B12 deficit is 1 in 2 million, while the chance of you having a premature heart attack or stoke is 1 in 2! That is a FACT bro.
"eliminating all animal products from the diet increases the risk of certain nutritional deficiencies. Micronutrients of special concern for the vegan include vitamins B-12 and D, calcium, and long-chain n–3 (omega-3) fatty acids. Unless vegans regularly consume foods that are fortified with these nutrients, appropriate supplements should be consumed. In some cases, iron and zinc status of vegans may also be of concern because of the limited bioavailability of these minerals. "
@VegansDontLikeTruth Actually most sufferers of B12, vitamin D and calcium deficiency are flesh tards, right? :(
BUT every wonder what the country that produces, promotes and consumes the most dairy in the world has the highest rate of calcium deficiency, osteoporosis, and bone cancer in the world?
@FathomlessJoy "Actually most sufferers of B12, vitamin D and calcium deficiency are flesh tards, right? :("
Wrong.
For a total number, yes. Only because of the statistically small numbers of vegan dieters.
However, vegans have DOUBLE the risk of B12 deficiency, and you've been shown this multiple times in this and other threads. 80% of vegans are B12 deficient according to the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, vs. 40% of meat eaters.
@FathomlessJoy why would meat eaters have more b12 deficiency? thats absurd. anyway were talking about diet related deficiency of course not lack of absorption. again you fail logic.
@AlbertaQueefy "However, vegans have DOUBLE the risk of B12 deficiency" You have no proof of that! Even still, the risk of my having a B12 problem, which is easily remedied, is 1 in 2 million. Your risk of premature heart attack or stroke is 1 in 2!!! that's 50/50 Beefy boy.
@IcemanSupaFly they must take supplements derived from bacteria itself. Technically there are VEGAN B12 supplements, but no, they're NOT natural.
The evidence is clear that without this supplementation, no vegan can live healthily for more than a couple years, and ANY children will be deficient and at risk of mental retardation and death. That is also medically proven in repeated studies of vegan mothers.
@LCHFinCanada his only argument was an omnivore would be able to eat only meat. how ridiculous is that? and even then we proved humans can live for a long time on only meat and he just started lying about it.
@IcemanSupaFly "@LCHFinCanada I think fathom is emotionally disturbed and goes non linear when anyone threatens his religion." And yet I was sane enough to cell your bluff and find out that you do not know jack shit about being omnivore. Face it, you have plant envy!
@LCHFinCanada "All this fathomless character has is spam... " You ready to add anything to the discussion there chief; or are you just happy cheerleading today? XD
@IcemanSupaFly We didn't have a debate. You said we were omnivore, so I pointed out that I do not eat animals at all and thus asked you to prove you were omnivore. I wanted to see if you have more balls than brains. I found out you have a meager helping of each :(
@FathomlessJoy the fact that you are an artificial herbivore means nothing. and the fact that you resort to childish ad homs proves you have no argument and cant back your lies.
@IcemanSupaFly Again, never be a shadow of a man! Demand of yourself to find out the truth of all things. When you repeat things as if they are truth, yet have not see them as true, you are spreading lies, living as with a hand-me-down mind.
@IcemanSupaFly What good does believing serve? All the scietific studies are in chaos, idiot. Who are you going to believe? Be a man, in the truest sense and find out fo yourself, without authority, otherwise you just repeat, which any computer or robot of song bird can do, right?
@IcemanSupaFly Just your question indicates a follower's mentality, a repeater, a robot that just wants to find out what others do, to be cynical because nothing every rings true in your life, that life no longer has a quality of truth for you. The key is what you know about YOU, not what you know about me.
@IcemanSupaFly What are you babbling about? Don't you have some truth to discover? Hit me up in 30 days. Are you afraid to actually find out? Don't be afraid, find out the truth of it for yourself!
@IcemanSupaFly " are you saying you ignore the vegan experts advice to take supplemental b12?" No, what I am saying is that either way the point is irrelevant. Either way, whether a vegan supplements or nor, humans do not have to live off of the torture of animals.
@IcemanSupaFly "how do you get your b12?" I will be happy to tell you so long as you first tell me what your levels are, how they were measured (there are several types of measurements), and the risk of a vegan to be deficient. Deal?
@IcemanSupaFly What's that little snoozy? I did block you, as I have tired of your benal banter in my inbox. But I will check back in from time to time and see if you and BigKweefy are playing nice.
@IcemanSupaFly What debate? You said we are omnivore, I pointed out that I do not fit that definition, and asked if you had any proof that you did. Clearly you do not, although it was hilarious t see all your dull arguments, all of which are quite typical. I knew the answer before I asked the question, I just like to see the dances you meat-tards like to cut.
@IcemanSupaFly Actaully, I am someone who did not rape and torture animlas today, lie about it like a child, and ingest the stank, rot of dead carcass.
@FathomlessJoy not to be rude, but AlbertaBeefy really layed the smacked down on you in this debate. i respect that you are a vegan. to each his own. but Humans are meant to consume meat.
@leodungen "not to be rude, but AlbertaBeefy really layed the smacked down on you in this debate" That is your opinion. BigQueefy always comes in and copies/pastes the same stuff every day. I is part of his religion, as an industry shill.
@IcemanSupaFly "or just crazy?" Perhaps you are right! Today I was sane, sober and serene enough to see clearly that raping and torturing animals is wrong, that humans do not need to eat animals, and that to ingest diseased rotting flesh of dead carcasses is unhealthy. On the whole I'll take crazy.
"Hockey players eat meat and many get injured such as the recently injured superstar who now cannot play any longer due to brain injury. Do you know his name? Hockey is a violent sport a lot of the time"
Yeah,that vegan diet would sure make them nhl players invincible
Just like UFC fighters Jake Shield and Jon Fitch recently going vegan.
They both got knocked out less than a minute into their most recent fights
"eliminating all animal products from the diet increases the risk of certain nutritional deficiencies. Micronutrients of special concern for the vegan include vitamins B-12 and D, calcium, and long-chain n–3 (omega-3) fatty acids. Unless vegans regularly consume foods that are fortified with these nutrients, appropriate supplements should be consumed... iron and zinc status of vegans may also be of concern because of the limited bioavailability of these minerals. "
@VegansDontLikeTruth "liminating all animal products from the diet increases the risk of certain nutritional deficiencies. " That is your opinion, one that is inconsistent with the facts. The fact is that most folks who suffering from B12 deficiency, in fact any malnutrition, are meat eaters. Sorry, I don't buy your brand of bullshit, buddy.
Amazing how only around two years ago, I made fun of the vegans and vegetarians in this video and mocked it like crazy. Then I took the shot and am now a full vegan. Best decision I ever made with my life, because I tried it out, instead of make excuses like everyone else.
@LCHFinCanada and it also doesn't change the fact that vegans NEED B12 supplementation, and possibly other nutrients.
It doesn't change the fact that humans are omnivores, though some choose not to eat meat. (Some people choosing a different diet doesn't mean the entire species diet has changed...)
The only real argument for veganism is the ethical one - if you truly believe in not eating animals. And that's a personal opinion/belief, not fact.
How do cows get vitamin D from the sun when they live indoors in factory farms? They cannot make any vitamin D themselves for their milk. So vitamin D is added synthetically to their food so that their milk will contain vitamin D. So all omnivores are supplementing with vitamin D without any knowledge that this happened to their dietary choice.
If you have never tried being vegan, then give it a try. After 21 days you will start to get more energy. That is due to your arteries starting to be cleared out of all that plaque from eating dead animal carcasses, for that is what meat is in the real world.
For the 3rd time Betty White is a VEGAN and has been since she was 11 years of age. Look her up on the Internet for the real proof. Even my FIL now believes it as he raised it the other day. Why do you not believe it celt130? It is because you need to do some research. If no research is done by you, then you have no proof.
I'd also like to know how grass-fed beef need cereal, too. Or free-range chickens/pigs...
These guys bring up the mercury issue in fish too... But only certain fish in certain places have high mercury levels, and the research shows that the health-benefits of fish more than offset any issues with mercury.
Of course, I prefer my fish freshly caught in my local mountain streams, and pan-fried in butter... no mercury and healthy.
@IcemanSupaFly They are fed processed grain pellets, and sickly enough bovine bone meal pellets. The irresponsible part about the bone meal pellets is that it opens the doors to introduce the man diseases of factory-farmed cattle inextricably from the world's "food" supply. See meattards are so stupid that will kill themselves, thus vegans never has to lift a finger to rid the planet of this cancer. we only have to continue to eat healthy.
@AlbertaBeefy "Which is why we should all support grass-fed beef. Right?" You missed the point yet again, my brain dead beefster buddy. Idiot zombies are feeding cows to fish! How is feeding cows grass going to change this? Meattards are just begging to be exterminated.
@celt130 About your site,it speaks about the UK,I'm from Israel-and it also presents how animal products are wasted,which you seem to ignore.
Are you saying that you did not even check at all the wasted Animal products?Like you "believe" that it's all just fine and dandy there?
Actually,it can change if the humans go against the industry,going vegan kinda does half of the job,and if the people are true vegans,they will check carefully the origin&care of their food,or ells they are hypocrites.
"Global food losses and food waste"it is an 2011 FAO document.You see when you are looking really for something,not just waiting you actually find something.
You will easely see in the graphics that crops,vegetables,fruit are largely more waisted then meat and fish.
This issue is far more important then meat eating.
Vegans who live in the city have the same problem then omnivores living in the city. They are fed by a very large logistic machine fed by the food industry.
@Wharwulif Going vegan will not change anything! Do you realize just how dependent you are on the establishment to supply you with your FOOD! Lecturing others about the virtue of your diet is truly a practice of hypocrisy! On the other hand if you look at Veganism as a new religion it makes perfect sense:)
@manowar40 Yeah, cause it is WAY too hard to put a few seeds in the ground and water them, pick some wild fresh greens, dig some wholesome roots; and it's MUCH easier to got out to the wilderness sports shop, buy an murderous weapon, put up some wild grown targets and practice, and run around torturing animals all for about a 40 years less of a life. Unless you think you ever want to try to be a real predator without weaons or fire, moron?!
@manowar40 "Lecturing others about the virtue of your diet is truly a practice of hypocrisy! " That is your opinion. Now don't you have some naughty little ones to tend?!
Many wild herbivores, such as elephants (7), inadvertently ingest soil on a regular basis. Hares, rabbits, and some rodents eat their fecal pellets, which provide an opportunity to obtain vitamins produced by bacteria in their digestive tracts (1)."
@celt130 "Many wild herbivores, such as elephants (7), inadvertently ingest soil on a regular basis." Right, so do humans, correct? You are trying to tell me that the largest land animal on the planet, with the biggest brain and skeletal structure and blood stream gets enuf B12, but humans, who only need about 2 micrograms per day do not? You are in a religion, pal!
Horses, elephants, zebras, rabbits, hares, and many rodents have large cecums in their digestive tracts, located between the small and large intestine (1) where bacterial fermentation takes place. Some sources say that all non-ruminant herbivores require some B12 fortification of their feeds (2), but at least one source says that bacteria in a horse's digestive tract are able to produce enough B12 if there is enough cobalt in the diet (6).
Cows are ruminants, as are bison, buffalo, goats, antelopes, sheep, deer, and giraffes (1). Ruminants have a four-chambered stomach and a rich supply of bacteria in their rumen (the first chamber that their food enters) (1). Some of these bacteria produce B12 in amounts normally sufficient to meet their needs (2).
@celt130 "Cows are ruminants" Blah, blah, blah. We have been through this buddy. Ruminants are not required for B12. In fact animals are not required for B12, right? No one can explain how humans who eat rotting flesh can asorb B12, yet supposely, claim meat eaters, we cannot get it from the sources that animals, both ruminants and non,, get it. Perhaps you can shed some light on it.
@celt130 "Cows are ruminants" Blah, blah, blah. We have been through this buddy. Ruminants are not required for B12. In fact animals are not required for B12, right? No one can explain how humans who eat rotting flesh can asorb B12, yet supposely, claim meat eaters, we cannot get it from the sources that animals, both ruminants and non,, get it. Perhaps you can shed some light on it.
@celt130 "Stevens&Hume the digestive system of vertebrates." You are not proving, you are quoting someone else, bud. Prove it! Just do it! Eat only meat and see if you are 100% not dependent on plants. LOLz
"Now PROVIDE me with your data...and prove this wrong, loser." Ew,, him testy meatard. I prove it every day, guy. Each day I 100% prove that man does not need animal products to survive. Sorry, pal, I am a man, I do not need to quote others to know who and what I am.
"We see what the western diet does to one's health it is a proven fact, especially Eurderpians."
No smokescreens, baby. Explain to me how there are so many old omnivores around if meat is so bad for your health. The reality again proves you wrong, smarty...
"However vegans are overwelmingly represented in over 100 population"
They are not even 0,1% of the world population, really overwhelming...
@celt130 "Explain to me how there are so many old omnivores around if meat is so bad for your health" Because of plant food, friend. Cut out the plants from your diet, like I have cut out the animals from mine, and see where you are.
Then she still used ANIMAL PRODUCTS, oups. Talk about a contradiction in terms...
The fact is she is not a vegan since 1922, she is not maybe even a vegan today. You here so much lies going around coming from people like you and the athlete .
@celt130 "The fact is she is not a vegan since 1922, she is not maybe even a vegan today" These are all more of your rambling opinions. You are starting to sound really religious buddy.
And what does Sidney Crosby have to do with a talking pig saying humans aren't carnivores?
Your argument is beyond stupid. As well might you be.
When somebody sounds so incredibly stupid, can't research, is proven wrong, can't back it up, is proven wrong again, makes illogical, nonsensical arguments... do you really think people want to be like you?
Folks, everybody be just like veganfemaleathlete... nonsensical, illogical and possibly mentally deficient. Great diet... makes you stupid.
@AlbertaBeefy "Your arguments are ridiculously nonsensical." That is your opinion, one in support of which you provide no evidence, while arguring it more and more zealously each day, sort of like a religious believer :(
Maggie Q does martial arts on her show. So how can she do that if she is a twig? Stop lying AlbertaBeefy. How about the woman who is 120 years of age in India? She still does chores. Now, is she a vegetarian or a vegan? Watch her video and get back to me why don't you?
I was out skiing this weekend. I saw a teenager run down a trail and crash into a barrier without stopping. He broke his nose. Sonny Bono died years ago when he skied into a tree. Both eat meat like you do. I have never had an accident in 35 years of downhill skiing.
AlbertaBeefy believes that Karina Smiroff is not a vegan. Well she IS a vegan. How about Holly Madison? She did an ad for PETA, yet she is am omnivore. She has a site where she recommends that people have an affair. Can you explain all of what she has done?
And yes, Maggie Q is now a vegan - though wasn't always.
Is she pretty? Sure. Is she also practically a twig? You betcha.
She used to be a competitive swimmer and looked MUCH better before her switch to veganism. Now she's losing all her muscle mass and is starting to look like twiggy.
@veganfemaleathlete Oh, and as pointed out to you TWICE Karina Smirnoff is NOT vegan.
"Smirnoff fights cravings with a few squares of dark chocolate every day. Otherwise she sticks to egg whites with spinach for breakfast, grilled fish and salad for dinner and, instead of a full lunch, fills up on fruit during the afternoon. "
Eggs and fish are part of a vegan diet? There's many other quotes from her showing she is NOT vegan.
Loreen Dinwinnie has been a VEGAN for 90 of her 108 years on this planet, and NOT for only 20 years as Celt130 wrote earlier. Check out the photos of Karina Smirnoff as she is a gorgeous vegan professional dancer with the DWTS show. Also check out photos of Maggie Q who is Nikita on the Nikita show. She is another gorgeous vegan woman.
@veganfemaleathlete again, as others and myself have mentioned, the fact that some random person is vegan or vegetarian is not proof of the lifestyle being healthier than a healthy diet that includes meat.
I'm gathering you don't understand science. Or logic. Because you're not using any.
Science involves trials, studies, etc. And those are showing that meat is a healthy part of our human diet, regarldess of how fast Fathomless and you mark them as spam.
HAHAHA, first of all you should write her name CORRECTLY, it is not DINWINNIE, but DINWIDDIE, poor loser.
"She continued, “Second is a vegan diet. When my husband and I got married in 1922, we took some classes at the camp grounds and they taught us to eat two meals a day and walk fifteen minutes every two hours. We liked it so well we decided to be vegan vegetarians.”
do you forget the baboons i am different then other humans i still have 4 sharp canines close to fiction vampires i ask myself why i have them and i love meat :)
@IcemanSupaFly "Stefansson avers that not a single case of constipation was observed in 600 exclusively meat-eating Eskimos for a period of three years)." That do not exist, right? Find for us on Earth any population that eats only meat. Anywhere?! You can't! They don't exist.
"Find for us on Earth any population that eats only meat. Anywhere?! You can't! They don't exist."
Find us a population on earth without SUPPLEMENTS who live only on PLANTS, they don't exist and never did.
Opposed to that, some Inuits did live on a 99% raw meat/fish diet for thousands of years in one of the hardest environment on this planet without any medical help.
@celt130 "Find us a population on earth without SUPPLEMENTS" We are everyone, which shoots holes in your argument, which is what enrages you so, right?
@celt130 "Opposed to that, some Inuits did live on a 99% raw meat/fish diet for thousands of years" First, yet again, you have no proof of this, it is dogma. Next, I am saying live 100% on meat and let the world know that it is possible, if you survive. Ok? Simple. Just do it!
@IcemanSupaFly "He found that the exclusive meat diet worked as well when he was inactive as when active, and as well in hot weather as in cold." This has been disproven by Stefansson himself. He ate with the Inuit and we know they ate plants. Read his book, moron.
@IcemanSupaFly "wow you get agitated when proven wrong." But have you proved anything? Sure clearly you show signs of stupidity, and I felt compelled to point it, out, but perhaps you are just being childish, digging in for fun because you know you cannot and will not prove anything. Right?
@IcemanSupaFly "ad hom = fail" Yes, you have been and abolute moron, going in circle and I have been patient. But at some point a moron is a moron. Sorry.
@IcemanSupaFly LOL You brought up Stefansson, you idiot. ROFL You quote him. I do not have to use him to define omnivore, you do! What would I cite your sources for you? Lazy and stupid? Yep!
@IcemanSupaFly "since you know the book so well how long did he go on an all meat diet?" When he tried to do it in the Bellevue Hospital he became ill in 1 week.
@IcemanSupaFly "have been quoting him genius haha" Those are not from his book. Seems like you would not have to lie, if you are so sure. But since you have no first hand proof, you have to lie, right?
@IcemanSupaFly "who cares about the book" Because you are bringing up a man and a study you know nothing about using it to prove an argument you did not even understand, right? It is relevant in that when you reference something to know a bit about it. LOL
Mmmmmm...meat!
citizenintime 37 minutes ago
Based on the amount of time Fathomless spends on YouTube, he's got to be a full-time propagandist.
He has no facts though. Still waiting to see some. Show all your lab tests, vegan in perfect-health...
AlbertaBeefy 2 hours ago
@AlbertaBeefy just imagine how much time he spends when you consider he probably has many accounts.
IcemanSupaFly 2 hours ago
@IcemanSupaFly I don't play that game derp. Like BertaQueefy posts a comment and 30 secs later it has 4 "likes."That is for girls who play hopscotch. The truth can speak on its own.
FathomlessJoy 2 hours ago
@FathomlessJoy why do you hide your diet? if you are spreading the truth it would seem you would be anxious to share it.
IcemanSupaFly 2 hours ago
@IcemanSupaFly I haven't derp. You want every detail? I do not eat a single animal part or secretion. After this it is just details.
FathomlessJoy 2 hours ago
@FathomlessJoy yes what is your diet exactly?
IcemanSupaFly 2 hours ago
@IcemanSupaFly What I eat all day every day? That is impossible to tell in 500 characters you moronic piss ant child. I am 100% vegan, 75% raw foodist, I eat fresh, whole, wholesome fruits and veggies, at night I often has a cooked meal of steams veggies or beans.
FathomlessJoy 34 minutes ago
@FathomlessJoy hahahaha you really get your panties in a twist when proven wrong.
IcemanSupaFly 34 minutes ago
@FathomlessJoy why are you afraid to post the details? no balls?
IcemanSupaFly 2 hours ago
I'm sorry for being rude, it's usually not my manner of speech - I'll no longer participate in this discussion, as it's just a fight between some zealot and people showing the truth.
The medical truth is vegans need supplementation to be healthy.
CanadaHC 2 hours ago
Fathomless, can you live off grass in a pasture for the rest of your life?
If not, you're not an herbivore. Just an idiot.
CanadaHC 2 hours ago
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@CanadaHC "Fathomless, can you live off grass in a pasture for the rest of your life? If not, you're not an herbivore. Just an idiot." What would that prove if I could not?
FathomlessJoy 2 hours ago
He cannot go without B12. No vegan can.
Dr. Esselstyn, Dr. McDougall, Dr. Barnard, etc. All vegan doctors ALL state the importance of B12 supplementation.
As such, vegan diet was never natural, and before the development of B12 supplementation never possible for humans, period.
AlbertaBeefy 3 hours ago
@AlbertaBeefy "He cannot go without B12. No vegan can" But you still have failed to prove that eating animals is nature's only source so B12. It simply isn't true. Where to livestock get their B12, Big B?
FathomlessJoy 2 hours ago
@FathomlessJoy eating animals is natures only source of b12 except for herbivores. good job proving were not herbivores.
IcemanSupaFly 2 hours ago
... and the below quote is NOT an opinion, as Fathomless would have anyone believe, it's a quote from the American Journal Of Clinical nutrition on the problems with vegan diets.
Peer-reviewed and published in major medical journals, like dozens of articles he doesn't want you to see...
VegansDontLikeTruth 3 hours ago
@VegansDontLikeTruth I never said humans don't need nutrients LOL
I said that it is quite odd that you spend so much of your time raising red flags about vegan deficiencies when it is meat eaters who have the most deficiencies. Is this not true?
Moreover, the chance of a vegan having B12 deficit is 1 in 2 million, while the chance of you having a premature heart attack or stoke is 1 in 2! That is a FACT bro.
FathomlessJoy 3 hours ago
@FathomlessJoy "the chance of a vegan having B12 deficit is 1 in 2 million,"
COMPLETE TOTAL UTTER LIES.
80% chance, bub. Proof positive in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition.
And the heart-attack/stroke "fact" is made-up. You have never shown any proof.
Your an idiot propagandist with no life. Grow up.
AlbertaBeefy 3 hours ago
"eliminating all animal products from the diet increases the risk of certain nutritional deficiencies. Micronutrients of special concern for the vegan include vitamins B-12 and D, calcium, and long-chain n–3 (omega-3) fatty acids. Unless vegans regularly consume foods that are fortified with these nutrients, appropriate supplements should be consumed. In some cases, iron and zinc status of vegans may also be of concern because of the limited bioavailability of these minerals. "
VegansDontLikeTruth 3 hours ago
@VegansDontLikeTruth Actually most sufferers of B12, vitamin D and calcium deficiency are flesh tards, right? :(
BUT every wonder what the country that produces, promotes and consumes the most dairy in the world has the highest rate of calcium deficiency, osteoporosis, and bone cancer in the world?
FathomlessJoy 3 hours ago
@FathomlessJoy "Actually most sufferers of B12, vitamin D and calcium deficiency are flesh tards, right? :("
Wrong.
For a total number, yes. Only because of the statistically small numbers of vegan dieters.
However, vegans have DOUBLE the risk of B12 deficiency, and you've been shown this multiple times in this and other threads. 80% of vegans are B12 deficient according to the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, vs. 40% of meat eaters.
Again, DERP.
AlbertaBeefy 3 hours ago
@AlbertaBeefy "Wrong. For a total number, yes." ROFL Big Queefy! Somewhere in your fat meathead mind those two statements reconcile.
FathomlessJoy 3 hours ago
@FathomlessJoy why cant an herbivore do the stefanson diet? if he was an herbivore other herbivores could do it too.
IcemanSupaFly 3 hours ago
@IcemanSupaFly Go smoke dope derp derp ;o)
FathomlessJoy 2 hours ago
@FathomlessJoy why would meat eaters have more b12 deficiency? thats absurd. anyway were talking about diet related deficiency of course not lack of absorption. again you fail logic.
IcemanSupaFly 2 hours ago
@IcemanSupaFly honestly, because there's 200x more meat-eaters than there are vegans in the world. As such, statistically we're a larger sample.
However vegans have twice the RISK of deficiency. TWICE. That's a medical fact that he cannot and does not refute with any documentation.
AlbertaBeefy 2 hours ago
@AlbertaBeefy he cant refute anything with documentation only baseless claims.
IcemanSupaFly 2 hours ago
@AlbertaQueefy "However, vegans have DOUBLE the risk of B12 deficiency" You have no proof of that! Even still, the risk of my having a B12 problem, which is easily remedied, is 1 in 2 million. Your risk of premature heart attack or stroke is 1 in 2!!! that's 50/50 Beefy boy.
FathomlessJoy 2 hours ago
@FathomlessJoy you cant remedy b12 deficiency naturally without animal products.
IcemanSupaFly 2 hours ago
@IcemanSupaFly they must take supplements derived from bacteria itself. Technically there are VEGAN B12 supplements, but no, they're NOT natural.
The evidence is clear that without this supplementation, no vegan can live healthily for more than a couple years, and ANY children will be deficient and at risk of mental retardation and death. That is also medically proven in repeated studies of vegan mothers.
AlbertaBeefy 2 hours ago
@AlbertaBeefy Aw, BigQueefy giving little Derpity some pep talk ;)
FathomlessJoy 2 hours ago
@FathomlessJoy do you get paid by peta or are you dumb enough to just waste all this time for free? or just crazy?
IcemanSupaFly 2 hours ago
@IcemanSupaFly I have no affiliation whatsoever Derpity.
FathomlessJoy 2 hours ago
@FathomlessJoy I think youre lying. I dont think youre even a vegan.
IcemanSupaFly 2 hours ago
@IcemanSupaFly What do I care what you think? ROFL
FathomlessJoy 2 hours ago
@FathomlessJoy you must you keep trying to convince me of your lies haha
IcemanSupaFly 2 hours ago
@FathomlessJoy you know if you state your diet you will be caught in your lies later haha
IcemanSupaFly 2 hours ago
@IcemanSupaFly Yeah, I am terrified that someone of your huge intellectual prowess will snare me good....
FathomlessJoy 2 hours ago
@FathomlessJoy well I did destroy you in the debate...
IcemanSupaFly 2 hours ago
@IcemanSupaFly Well, you, AlbertaBeefy and everyone else that has a brain.
All this fathomless character has is spam... I truly believe his plan is to spam the comments until all truth is several pages away...
LCHFinCanada 1 hour ago
@LCHFinCanada his only argument was an omnivore would be able to eat only meat. how ridiculous is that? and even then we proved humans can live for a long time on only meat and he just started lying about it.
IcemanSupaFly 1 hour ago
@LCHFinCanada I think fathom is emotionally disturbed and goes non linear when anyone threatens his religion.
IcemanSupaFly 1 hour ago
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@IcemanSupaFly "@LCHFinCanada I think fathom is emotionally disturbed and goes non linear when anyone threatens his religion." And yet I was sane enough to cell your bluff and find out that you do not know jack shit about being omnivore. Face it, you have plant envy!
FathomlessJoy 42 minutes ago
@LCHFinCanada "All this fathomless character has is spam... " You ready to add anything to the discussion there chief; or are you just happy cheerleading today? XD
FathomlessJoy 41 minutes ago
@IcemanSupaFly We didn't have a debate. You said we were omnivore, so I pointed out that I do not eat animals at all and thus asked you to prove you were omnivore. I wanted to see if you have more balls than brains. I found out you have a meager helping of each :(
FathomlessJoy 36 minutes ago
@FathomlessJoy what did I lie about? btw how is that evidence from the book that disproves my claims or for cooking oil rendering it useless liar?
IcemanSupaFly 34 minutes ago
@FathomlessJoy the fact that you are an artificial herbivore means nothing. and the fact that you resort to childish ad homs proves you have no argument and cant back your lies.
IcemanSupaFly 29 minutes ago
@IcemanSupaFly Aw, him fragile zombie, him gonna to cry.
FathomlessJoy 26 minutes ago
@FathomlessJoy hahahaha all you got is childish insults. go ahead make a further fool of yourself.
IcemanSupaFly 25 minutes ago
@IcemanSupaFly Again, never be a shadow of a man! Demand of yourself to find out the truth of all things. When you repeat things as if they are truth, yet have not see them as true, you are spreading lies, living as with a hand-me-down mind.
FathomlessJoy 21 minutes ago
@FathomlessJoy you have just proven you have no balls or brains to answer my points.
IcemanSupaFly 24 minutes ago
@IcemanSupaFly As soon as you have some proof of your omnivory, hit me up, zombie.
FathomlessJoy 21 minutes ago
@FathomlessJoy you failed to prove your claim that we are natural herbivores.
IcemanSupaFly 19 minutes ago
@IcemanSupaFly You should demand more of yourself. Don't accept what is common just because it is easy! Find out, man, find out!
FathomlessJoy 19 minutes ago
@FathomlessJoy I can see that you feel trapped when proven wrong and lash out in rage like a child.
IcemanSupaFly 18 minutes ago
@FathomlessJoy what have you found out? that you can live as a vegan for a lousy year due to technolog? what is your point?
IcemanSupaFly 17 minutes ago
@IcemanSupaFly Never let wikipedia be your definition of yourself! Never accept another man's words without first seeing the truth in them.
FathomlessJoy 11 minutes ago
@FathomlessJoy are you saying you accept no science until you do each experiment yourself?
IcemanSupaFly 9 minutes ago
@IcemanSupaFly What good does believing serve? All the scietific studies are in chaos, idiot. Who are you going to believe? Be a man, in the truest sense and find out fo yourself, without authority, otherwise you just repeat, which any computer or robot of song bird can do, right?
FathomlessJoy 6 minutes ago
@FathomlessJoy I want to find out the truth of how you get your b12.
IcemanSupaFly 8 minutes ago
@IcemanSupaFly but that is meaningless to YOU. Don't be a boyish follower of others, using what other do and say. Find out for yourself, man!
FathomlessJoy 4 minutes ago
@IcemanSupaFly Just your question indicates a follower's mentality, a repeater, a robot that just wants to find out what others do, to be cynical because nothing every rings true in your life, that life no longer has a quality of truth for you. The key is what you know about YOU, not what you know about me.
FathomlessJoy 2 minutes ago
@FathomlessJoy gonna to? haha youre really flustered when you lose.
IcemanSupaFly 24 minutes ago
@IcemanSupaFly What are you babbling about? Don't you have some truth to discover? Hit me up in 30 days. Are you afraid to actually find out? Don't be afraid, find out the truth of it for yourself!
FathomlessJoy 18 minutes ago
@FathomlessJoy are you saying you ignore the vegan experts advice to take supplemental b12?
IcemanSupaFly 11 minutes ago
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@IcemanSupaFly " are you saying you ignore the vegan experts advice to take supplemental b12?" No, what I am saying is that either way the point is irrelevant. Either way, whether a vegan supplements or nor, humans do not have to live off of the torture of animals.
FathomlessJoy 5 minutes ago
@FathomlessJoy how do you get your b12?
IcemanSupaFly 11 minutes ago
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@IcemanSupaFly "how do you get your b12?" I will be happy to tell you so long as you first tell me what your levels are, how they were measured (there are several types of measurements), and the risk of a vegan to be deficient. Deal?
FathomlessJoy 5 minutes ago
@FathomlessJoy you must be as you are still dodging the question in terror haha
IcemanSupaFly 2 hours ago
@IcemanSupaFly What's that little snoozy? I did block you, as I have tired of your benal banter in my inbox. But I will check back in from time to time and see if you and BigKweefy are playing nice.
FathomlessJoy 33 minutes ago
@FathomlessJoy I clearly won the debate and you clearly are an insane liar with no grip on reality.
IcemanSupaFly 32 minutes ago
@IcemanSupaFly What debate? You said we are omnivore, I pointed out that I do not fit that definition, and asked if you had any proof that you did. Clearly you do not, although it was hilarious t see all your dull arguments, all of which are quite typical. I knew the answer before I asked the question, I just like to see the dances you meat-tards like to cut.
FathomlessJoy 24 minutes ago
@FathomlessJoy I proved we are omnivore you lied about it and failed the debate.
IcemanSupaFly 23 minutes ago
@FathomlessJoy youre not even a vegan. youre just a pathetic poser desperate for attention.
IcemanSupaFly 2 hours ago
@IcemanSupaFly Actaully, I am someone who did not rape and torture animlas today, lie about it like a child, and ingest the stank, rot of dead carcass.
FathomlessJoy 40 minutes ago
@FathomlessJoy not to be rude, but AlbertaBeefy really layed the smacked down on you in this debate. i respect that you are a vegan. to each his own. but Humans are meant to consume meat.
leodungen 2 hours ago
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@leodungen "not to be rude, but AlbertaBeefy really layed the smacked down on you in this debate" That is your opinion. BigQueefy always comes in and copies/pastes the same stuff every day. I is part of his religion, as an industry shill.
FathomlessJoy 2 hours ago
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@IcemanSupaFly "or just crazy?" Perhaps you are right! Today I was sane, sober and serene enough to see clearly that raping and torturing animals is wrong, that humans do not need to eat animals, and that to ingest diseased rotting flesh of dead carcasses is unhealthy. On the whole I'll take crazy.
FathomlessJoy 2 hours ago
@FathomlessJoy I thought the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition studies of vegans, vegetarians and meat eaters was some proof.
It was a very large study. Do you not believe science?
Oh wait, of course you don't. You ask for proof, we give you proof, you say "that's not proof" like a complete moron.
Your a zealot, brainwashed.
I think, in fact, you work for PETA full-time as an animal-activist/propagandist.
AlbertaBeefy 2 hours ago
@AlbertaBeefy I am just surprised that blatant industry shills like you would honestly claim objectivity.
FathomlessJoy 2 hours ago
but the mother nature give us tecnology, this is a natural skill, and make the man eat meat if wolfs have jaws,we have brains. vegan is a joke.
kahnsinho 4 hours ago
@kahnsinho "but the mother nature give us tecnology" Do you have any way to prove this?
FathomlessJoy 4 hours ago
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@veganfemaleathlete
"Hockey players eat meat and many get injured such as the recently injured superstar who now cannot play any longer due to brain injury. Do you know his name? Hockey is a violent sport a lot of the time"
Yeah,that vegan diet would sure make them nhl players invincible
Just like UFC fighters Jake Shield and Jon Fitch recently going vegan.
They both got knocked out less than a minute into their most recent fights
Vegansnowboarder says the dumbest fucking things
budliite 4 hours ago
Dogs, can live with plant based food for long times. So, dogs are omnivores.
BuckMerch 5 hours ago
@BuckMerch I can live without meat or plants. thats why you have to do it naturally to prove any argument.
IcemanSupaFly 5 hours ago
@IcemanSupaFly Be honest, vegans can live without animal products. So, we are herbivores. People can not live without plants. We are not omnivores.
My cat is an carnivore, still, i can give him plants and he will survive, but not long. So, he is a carnivore and not an omnivore or a herbivore.
BuckMerch 5 hours ago
Chimpanzees and Orangutans are omnivores, not herbivores.
poopflinga98 6 hours ago
wxw.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11146329
Danath23 14 hours ago
Amer. Jour.of Clinical Nutr:
"eliminating all animal products from the diet increases the risk of certain nutritional deficiencies. Micronutrients of special concern for the vegan include vitamins B-12 and D, calcium, and long-chain n–3 (omega-3) fatty acids. Unless vegans regularly consume foods that are fortified with these nutrients, appropriate supplements should be consumed... iron and zinc status of vegans may also be of concern because of the limited bioavailability of these minerals. "
VegansDontLikeTruth 17 hours ago
@VegansDontLikeTruth "liminating all animal products from the diet increases the risk of certain nutritional deficiencies. " That is your opinion, one that is inconsistent with the facts. The fact is that most folks who suffering from B12 deficiency, in fact any malnutrition, are meat eaters. Sorry, I don't buy your brand of bullshit, buddy.
FathomlessJoy 16 hours ago
I love that some people can give THEIR opinions, but get snooty when others give theirs. Even when the opinion is based in science and fact.
CanadaHC 20 hours ago
Amazing how only around two years ago, I made fun of the vegans and vegetarians in this video and mocked it like crazy. Then I took the shot and am now a full vegan. Best decision I ever made with my life, because I tried it out, instead of make excuses like everyone else.
BiohazardBunney 21 hours ago
@BiohazardBunney It's great that veganism works for you. It works for many people.
However, that doesn't change the fact that this video is complete rubbish, as is the crap spewed by FathomlessJoy and veganfemaleathlete.
There is no science supporting veganism over a healthy diet that eliminates refined/process crap and includes meat/fish/poultry/eggs etc. NONE.
And that is the truth that some people don't want you to know.
LCHFinCanada 21 hours ago
@LCHFinCanada and it also doesn't change the fact that vegans NEED B12 supplementation, and possibly other nutrients.
It doesn't change the fact that humans are omnivores, though some choose not to eat meat. (Some people choosing a different diet doesn't mean the entire species diet has changed...)
The only real argument for veganism is the ethical one - if you truly believe in not eating animals. And that's a personal opinion/belief, not fact.
LCHFinCanada 21 hours ago
@LCHFinCanada Wasn't asking for your opinion.
BiohazardBunney 20 hours ago
How do cows get vitamin D from the sun when they live indoors in factory farms? They cannot make any vitamin D themselves for their milk. So vitamin D is added synthetically to their food so that their milk will contain vitamin D. So all omnivores are supplementing with vitamin D without any knowledge that this happened to their dietary choice.
veganfemaleathlete 23 hours ago
If you have never tried being vegan, then give it a try. After 21 days you will start to get more energy. That is due to your arteries starting to be cleared out of all that plaque from eating dead animal carcasses, for that is what meat is in the real world.
veganfemaleathlete 23 hours ago
@celt130,
The man who started Twitter is vegan as is Robin Williams and many other important people.
veganfemaleathlete 1 day ago
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@celt130,
For the 3rd time Betty White is a VEGAN and has been since she was 11 years of age. Look her up on the Internet for the real proof. Even my FIL now believes it as he raised it the other day. Why do you not believe it celt130? It is because you need to do some research. If no research is done by you, then you have no proof.
veganfemaleathlete 1 day ago
@celt130 to produce meat and fish, you need cereals. So, even if cereals is more loss, the meat is an even higher loss.
BuckMerch 1 day ago
@BuckMerch on what planet do fish eat cereal?
IcemanSupaFly 1 day ago
@IcemanSupaFly There's a good question! =)
I'd also like to know how grass-fed beef need cereal, too. Or free-range chickens/pigs...
These guys bring up the mercury issue in fish too... But only certain fish in certain places have high mercury levels, and the research shows that the health-benefits of fish more than offset any issues with mercury.
Of course, I prefer my fish freshly caught in my local mountain streams, and pan-fried in butter... no mercury and healthy.
LCHFinCanada 1 day ago
@LCHFinCanada "no mercury and healthy" Well, you have the domatic mantras down. The problem is, you are lying to yourself: watch?v=zkoUw9gkZfE
:(
FathomlessJoy 17 hours ago
@IcemanSupaFly They are fed processed grain pellets, and sickly enough bovine bone meal pellets. The irresponsible part about the bone meal pellets is that it opens the doors to introduce the man diseases of factory-farmed cattle inextricably from the world's "food" supply. See meattards are so stupid that will kill themselves, thus vegans never has to lift a finger to rid the planet of this cancer. we only have to continue to eat healthy.
FathomlessJoy 17 hours ago
"They are fed processed grain pellets, and sickly enough bovine bone meal pellets. "
Which is why we should all support grass-fed beef. Right?
AlbertaBeefy 17 hours ago
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@AlbertaBeefy "Which is why we should all support grass-fed beef. Right?" You missed the point yet again, my brain dead beefster buddy. Idiot zombies are feeding cows to fish! How is feeding cows grass going to change this? Meattards are just begging to be exterminated.
FathomlessJoy 16 hours ago
@Wharwulif
"If we go to data,you showed none,saying "40%" out of thin air is not a proof,"
I provided Tristram Stuart and his site WASTE.
You can actually right to the guy like I did. If he has time he will reply to you.
"I can also enter a site that wish show the obvious has for animal products waste,but you can do it yourself."
That's to easy, provide me the references.
"So far the industry is dominant in this sector"
And with already 50% humans living in cities, it will not change
celt130 1 day ago
@celt130 About your site,it speaks about the UK,I'm from Israel-and it also presents how animal products are wasted,which you seem to ignore.
Are you saying that you did not even check at all the wasted Animal products?Like you "believe" that it's all just fine and dandy there?
Actually,it can change if the humans go against the industry,going vegan kinda does half of the job,and if the people are true vegans,they will check carefully the origin&care of their food,or ells they are hypocrites.
Wharwulif 1 day ago
@Wharwulif
"Global food losses and food waste"it is an 2011 FAO document.You see when you are looking really for something,not just waiting you actually find something.
You will easely see in the graphics that crops,vegetables,fruit are largely more waisted then meat and fish.
This issue is far more important then meat eating.
Vegans who live in the city have the same problem then omnivores living in the city. They are fed by a very large logistic machine fed by the food industry.
celt130 1 day ago
@celt130 We all go against the industry,and if a vegan supports one side of the industry,then he/she is a hypocrite.
You forgot that meat and fish are not the only animal products out there:milk,honey,fur,leather,sperm,and the animals themselves has lab rats.
A town of vegans would not waste Vegetables,if they are bad-they will be used for compost.
So...the major issue-why you go against veganism here?it's clear we both go against the corruption of the industry,so-we should focus on THAT.
Wharwulif 1 day ago
@Wharwulif Going vegan will not change anything! Do you realize just how dependent you are on the establishment to supply you with your FOOD! Lecturing others about the virtue of your diet is truly a practice of hypocrisy! On the other hand if you look at Veganism as a new religion it makes perfect sense:)
manowar40 1 day ago
@manowar40 Yeah, cause it is WAY too hard to put a few seeds in the ground and water them, pick some wild fresh greens, dig some wholesome roots; and it's MUCH easier to got out to the wilderness sports shop, buy an murderous weapon, put up some wild grown targets and practice, and run around torturing animals all for about a 40 years less of a life. Unless you think you ever want to try to be a real predator without weaons or fire, moron?!
FathomlessJoy 18 hours ago
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@manowar40 "Lecturing others about the virtue of your diet is truly a practice of hypocrisy! " That is your opinion. Now don't you have some naughty little ones to tend?!
FathomlessJoy 18 hours ago
@FathomlessJoy
Many wild herbivores, such as elephants (7), inadvertently ingest soil on a regular basis. Hares, rabbits, and some rodents eat their fecal pellets, which provide an opportunity to obtain vitamins produced by bacteria in their digestive tracts (1)."
Basic knowledge, something you do not have.
celt130 1 day ago
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@celt130 "Many wild herbivores, such as elephants (7), inadvertently ingest soil on a regular basis." Right, so do humans, correct? You are trying to tell me that the largest land animal on the planet, with the biggest brain and skeletal structure and blood stream gets enuf B12, but humans, who only need about 2 micrograms per day do not? You are in a religion, pal!
FathomlessJoy 18 hours ago
"Where do elephants get their B12"
Horses, elephants, zebras, rabbits, hares, and many rodents have large cecums in their digestive tracts, located between the small and large intestine (1) where bacterial fermentation takes place. Some sources say that all non-ruminant herbivores require some B12 fortification of their feeds (2), but at least one source says that bacteria in a horse's digestive tract are able to produce enough B12 if there is enough cobalt in the diet (6).
celt130 1 day ago
@FathomlessJoy
" Where do cows get their B12"
Cows are ruminants, as are bison, buffalo, goats, antelopes, sheep, deer, and giraffes (1). Ruminants have a four-chambered stomach and a rich supply of bacteria in their rumen (the first chamber that their food enters) (1). Some of these bacteria produce B12 in amounts normally sufficient to meet their needs (2).
Already explained and proven 100 times at least.
Just a confirmation you people will always lose.
celt130 1 day ago
@celt130 "Cows are ruminants" Blah, blah, blah. We have been through this buddy. Ruminants are not required for B12. In fact animals are not required for B12, right? No one can explain how humans who eat rotting flesh can asorb B12, yet supposely, claim meat eaters, we cannot get it from the sources that animals, both ruminants and non,, get it. Perhaps you can shed some light on it.
FathomlessJoy 18 hours ago
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@celt130 "Cows are ruminants" Blah, blah, blah. We have been through this buddy. Ruminants are not required for B12. In fact animals are not required for B12, right? No one can explain how humans who eat rotting flesh can asorb B12, yet supposely, claim meat eaters, we cannot get it from the sources that animals, both ruminants and non,, get it. Perhaps you can shed some light on it.
FathomlessJoy 18 hours ago
@FathomlessJoy
"Better yet, why not prove this theory of yours that man is omnivorous"
Stevens&Hume the digestive system of vertebrates.
Now PROVIDE me with your data...and prove this wrong, loser.
celt130 1 day ago
@celt130 "Stevens&Hume the digestive system of vertebrates." You are not proving, you are quoting someone else, bud. Prove it! Just do it! Eat only meat and see if you are 100% not dependent on plants. LOLz
"Now PROVIDE me with your data...and prove this wrong, loser." Ew,, him testy meatard. I prove it every day, guy. Each day I 100% prove that man does not need animal products to survive. Sorry, pal, I am a man, I do not need to quote others to know who and what I am.
FathomlessJoy 17 hours ago
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@veganfemaleathlete
"He was on a plant-based diet from a young age and lived to 67 years of age when most people back then did not live that long."
We already proved this is a hoax setup by vegans. Repeating the same old lies will not make them true.
"Betty White "
Because she is a VEGETARIAN...
celt130 1 day ago
@FathomlessJoy
"We see what the western diet does to one's health it is a proven fact, especially Eurderpians."
No smokescreens, baby. Explain to me how there are so many old omnivores around if meat is so bad for your health. The reality again proves you wrong, smarty...
"However vegans are overwelmingly represented in over 100 population"
They are not even 0,1% of the world population, really overwhelming...
celt130 1 day ago
@celt130 "Explain to me how there are so many old omnivores around if meat is so bad for your health" Because of plant food, friend. Cut out the plants from your diet, like I have cut out the animals from mine, and see where you are.
FathomlessJoy 17 hours ago
@FathomlessJoy
"How long was she vegetarian before that?"
Then she still used ANIMAL PRODUCTS, oups. Talk about a contradiction in terms...
The fact is she is not a vegan since 1922, she is not maybe even a vegan today. You here so much lies going around coming from people like you and the athlete .
She was a vegetarian in 1922, nothing special.
celt130 1 day ago
@celt130 "Then she still used ANIMAL PRODUCTS, oups. Talk about a contradiction in terms..." What are you babbling about?
FathomlessJoy 17 hours ago
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@celt130 "The fact is she is not a vegan since 1922, she is not maybe even a vegan today" These are all more of your rambling opinions. You are starting to sound really religious buddy.
FathomlessJoy 17 hours ago
depending on the baby, the baby will put both in it's mouth because babies put everything in their mouth!
lehoney2000 1 day ago
And what does Sidney Crosby have to do with a talking pig saying humans aren't carnivores?
Your argument is beyond stupid. As well might you be.
When somebody sounds so incredibly stupid, can't research, is proven wrong, can't back it up, is proven wrong again, makes illogical, nonsensical arguments... do you really think people want to be like you?
Folks, everybody be just like veganfemaleathlete... nonsensical, illogical and possibly mentally deficient. Great diet... makes you stupid.
AlbertaBeefy 1 day ago
Your arguments are ridiculously nonsensical.
You're NOT helping your cause... you only make yourself look stupid.
AlbertaBeefy 1 day ago
@AlbertaBeefy "Your arguments are ridiculously nonsensical." That is your opinion, one in support of which you provide no evidence, while arguring it more and more zealously each day, sort of like a religious believer :(
FathomlessJoy 17 hours ago
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I see in the satellite news that the Canadian hockey player Sidney Crosby has a broken neck and fans are very upset by the news. Hmmm.
veganfemaleathlete 1 day ago
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Maggie Q does martial arts on her show. So how can she do that if she is a twig? Stop lying AlbertaBeefy. How about the woman who is 120 years of age in India? She still does chores. Now, is she a vegetarian or a vegan? Watch her video and get back to me why don't you?
veganfemaleathlete 1 day ago
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I was out skiing this weekend. I saw a teenager run down a trail and crash into a barrier without stopping. He broke his nose. Sonny Bono died years ago when he skied into a tree. Both eat meat like you do. I have never had an accident in 35 years of downhill skiing.
veganfemaleathlete 1 day ago
AlbertaBeefy believes that Karina Smiroff is not a vegan. Well she IS a vegan. How about Holly Madison? She did an ad for PETA, yet she is am omnivore. She has a site where she recommends that people have an affair. Can you explain all of what she has done?
veganfemaleathlete 1 day ago
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@veganfemaleathlete "AlbertaBeefy believes that Karina Smiroff is not a vegan. Well she IS a vegan. "
Please show us evidence that Karina Smirnoff is a vegan, if you think you can. I've shown you she eats fish, eggs, etc.
Can you prove she does not? There's several articles and quotes from her eating fish, eggs. etc.
She's been involved with Peta, but not as a VEGAN. She's never been vegan. You're either wrong or you're lying.
LOOK IT UP.
AlbertaBeefy 1 day ago
This is brilliant!
tristaneAlexandria 2 days ago
And yes, Maggie Q is now a vegan - though wasn't always.
Is she pretty? Sure. Is she also practically a twig? You betcha.
She used to be a competitive swimmer and looked MUCH better before her switch to veganism. Now she's losing all her muscle mass and is starting to look like twiggy.
That doesn't appear to be that healthy...
AlbertaBeefy 2 days ago
@veganfemaleathlete Oh, and as pointed out to you TWICE Karina Smirnoff is NOT vegan.
"Smirnoff fights cravings with a few squares of dark chocolate every day. Otherwise she sticks to egg whites with spinach for breakfast, grilled fish and salad for dinner and, instead of a full lunch, fills up on fruit during the afternoon. "
Eggs and fish are part of a vegan diet? There's many other quotes from her showing she is NOT vegan.
You don't care about truth, it seems.
AlbertaBeefy 2 days ago
Loreen Dinwinnie has been a VEGAN for 90 of her 108 years on this planet, and NOT for only 20 years as Celt130 wrote earlier. Check out the photos of Karina Smirnoff as she is a gorgeous vegan professional dancer with the DWTS show. Also check out photos of Maggie Q who is Nikita on the Nikita show. She is another gorgeous vegan woman.
veganfemaleathlete 2 days ago
@veganfemaleathlete again, as others and myself have mentioned, the fact that some random person is vegan or vegetarian is not proof of the lifestyle being healthier than a healthy diet that includes meat.
I'm gathering you don't understand science. Or logic. Because you're not using any.
Science involves trials, studies, etc. And those are showing that meat is a healthy part of our human diet, regarldess of how fast Fathomless and you mark them as spam.
AlbertaBeefy 2 days ago
@veganfemaleathlete
"Loreen Dinwinnie"
HAHAHA, first of all you should write her name CORRECTLY, it is not DINWINNIE, but DINWIDDIE, poor loser.
"She continued, “Second is a vegan diet. When my husband and I got married in 1922, we took some classes at the camp grounds and they taught us to eat two meals a day and walk fifteen minutes every two hours. We liked it so well we decided to be vegan vegetarians.”
You lose , she was a VEGETARIAN....
celt130 1 day ago
do you forget the baboons i am different then other humans i still have 4 sharp canines close to fiction vampires i ask myself why i have them and i love meat :)
Hargaanti 2 days ago
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Betty White IS a VEGAN and she is NOT a vegetarian. Want proof? Look up her name with vegan on the Internet.
veganfemaleathlete 2 days ago
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@veganfemaleathlete
"Betty White IS a VEGAN and she is NOT a vegetarian. Want proof? Look up her name with vegan on the Internet."
Sure, liar. Why not Google Betty Davis VEGETARIAN, or on "vegetarianstar"site, and a vegan being the chairman of a zoo, yeah right...
celt130 1 day ago
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Betty White IS a VEGAN and is NOT a vegetarian.
veganfemaleathlete 2 days ago
" (Stefansson avers that not a single case of constipation was observed in 600 exclusively meat-eating Eskimos for a period of three years).
His hair thickened, and his scalp became healthier.
Tooth decay was apparently much less rapid."
IcemanSupaFly 2 days ago
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@IcemanSupaFly "Stefansson avers that not a single case of constipation was observed in 600 exclusively meat-eating Eskimos for a period of three years)." That do not exist, right? Find for us on Earth any population that eats only meat. Anywhere?! You can't! They don't exist.
FathomlessJoy 2 days ago
@FathomlessJoy
"Find for us on Earth any population that eats only meat. Anywhere?! You can't! They don't exist."
Find us a population on earth without SUPPLEMENTS who live only on PLANTS, they don't exist and never did.
Opposed to that, some Inuits did live on a 99% raw meat/fish diet for thousands of years in one of the hardest environment on this planet without any medical help.
celt130 1 day ago
@celt130 "Find us a population on earth without SUPPLEMENTS" We are everyone, which shoots holes in your argument, which is what enrages you so, right?
FathomlessJoy 17 hours ago
@celt130 "Opposed to that, some Inuits did live on a 99% raw meat/fish diet for thousands of years" First, yet again, you have no proof of this, it is dogma. Next, I am saying live 100% on meat and let the world know that it is possible, if you survive. Ok? Simple. Just do it!
FathomlessJoy 17 hours ago
"His sense of physical and mental well being was at its best during that period of his life.
He found that the exclusive meat diet worked as well when he was inactive as when active, and as well in hot weather as in cold.
Constipation was never present. One month's entire absence from exercise produced neither constipation nor muscular weakness."
IcemanSupaFly 2 days ago
@IcemanSupaFly "He found that the exclusive meat diet worked as well when he was inactive as when active, and as well in hot weather as in cold." This has been disproven by Stefansson himself. He ate with the Inuit and we know they ate plants. Read his book, moron.
FathomlessJoy 2 days ago
@FathomlessJoy wow you get agitated when proven wrong.
IcemanSupaFly 2 days ago
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@IcemanSupaFly "wow you get agitated when proven wrong." But have you proved anything? Sure clearly you show signs of stupidity, and I felt compelled to point it, out, but perhaps you are just being childish, digging in for fun because you know you cannot and will not prove anything. Right?
FathomlessJoy 2 days ago
@FathomlessJoy ad hom = fail
IcemanSupaFly 2 days ago
@IcemanSupaFly "ad hom = fail" Yes, you have been and abolute moron, going in circle and I have been patient. But at some point a moron is a moron. Sorry.
FathomlessJoy 2 days ago
@FathomlessJoy I have disproved all your claims and you have nothing. where did stefannson disprove his own quotes in his own book? hahahaha
IcemanSupaFly 2 days ago
@FathomlessJoy quote the parts in the book proving your claims.
IcemanSupaFly 2 days ago
@IcemanSupaFly LOL You brought up Stefansson, you idiot. ROFL You quote him. I do not have to use him to define omnivore, you do! What would I cite your sources for you? Lazy and stupid? Yep!
FathomlessJoy 2 days ago
@FathomlessJoy I quoted from the study disproving all your lies.
IcemanSupaFly 2 days ago
@IcemanSupaFly Can you site in Stefansson's own words what diet was followed in the Bellevue Trial?
FathomlessJoy 2 days ago
@FathomlessJoy since you know the book so well how long did he go on an all meat diet?
IcemanSupaFly 2 days ago
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@IcemanSupaFly "since you know the book so well how long did he go on an all meat diet?" When he tried to do it in the Bellevue Hospital he became ill in 1 week.
FathomlessJoy 2 days ago
@FathomlessJoy you just claimed that he disproved my claims. now you cant back it up. why would I back your arguments?
IcemanSupaFly 2 days ago
@FathomlessJoy I have been quoting him genius haha. and you claimed he disproved his own quotes! then have no evidence of it haha.
IcemanSupaFly 2 days ago
@IcemanSupaFly "have been quoting him genius haha" Those are not from his book. Seems like you would not have to lie, if you are so sure. But since you have no first hand proof, you have to lie, right?
FathomlessJoy 2 days ago
@FathomlessJoy who cares about the book? Im quoting the study. you said you have evidence from the book disproving the posts where is it?
IcemanSupaFly 2 days ago
@IcemanSupaFly "who cares about the book" Because you are bringing up a man and a study you know nothing about using it to prove an argument you did not even understand, right? It is relevant in that when you reference something to know a bit about it. LOL
FathomlessJoy 2 days ago