his opening point about faith is nonsense. contrary to popular belief, faith is not a virtue. faith is accepting something without evidence. faith is gullability. morality came before religion, religion likes to lay claim to it but that simply is not the case.
What is so sad is this wonderful mind is in such a frail body.. if only his mind could be carried on to another vessel.. such insight is takes so many years to have it,
“But as for those whose hearts are devoted to their vile images and detestable idols, I will bring down on their own heads what they have done, declares the Sovereign LORD.” (Ezekiel 11:2
@bettysman Proverbs 9:10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding. Psalm 111:10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever.
@thegorn68 2 Peter 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
I personally still go back to Aquinas's one word definition of God as "incomprehensible". It seems to help one accept the ultimate paradoxes. Worth a lot of contemplation. I admire Ken Wilbur's creation of a venue here. He may not intend it to be a prayer but that's what I think it is.
I think the God is what one perceives it as. To me, God is a force like gravity, it's invisible and constant, and all other elements are subjected to it, whether they want to or not. The God is the underlying order in the midst of overwhelming chaos. It's elegant and mysterious.
What he says is absolutely false. Man does not need a belief system. A belief system is only good for those who profit from the abandonment to belief of those who are "poor in spirit". Faith is actually based on known facts and reason. Belief is a blind acceptance of a certain concept, of opinions proclaimed in churches or in science class as being the absolute truth. Notice how he tries to discredit the yoga method in order to be able to sell his own. He is not preaching, he is marketing.
@sorellman You are so right. I was surprised that Ken Wilber agreed with him so diligently and at the end even reinforced the idea of organized religion as something positive and beneficial.
@Takiado Not exactly. According to the Gnostic school of though, for example, faith is a projection of a conclusion reached by the way of reason and intuition by looking at facts of reality. Knowledge is a confirmation of what we have received through faith. Belief is to simply accept that something is true because someone claiming authority in a certain domain has said it is so. To accept that god created the world is belief, and so is the idea of evolution being fact.
Evolutionary, progressive, liberal, transcendental theology...this is what we need...we are living in such an exciting time...Im out of words about it...
I love people in debate, of course you are all right because you truly believe your point of view and in doing this you are actually supporting the ideas presented in this video. Oh how that makes me smile, thankyou.
@StarlynStargazer Could you point to one idea presented in his video while you're condescendingly smiling? He's not advocating for any "ideas", he is marketing his religious scheme which allows him to live above comfortably in his abode in Colorado. This is a video promoting his retreats and his programs. If you go to his website you will find out that they do not come cheap. Just another religion of millions ... of dollars.
@jhgosnell What's "god? This is a very serious question. Define god so I can tell if there is there something you could "encounter" in the first place.
@sorellman also, God is not a thing, so this is not the right term. we can experience eternity actually...most meditations take you to that point...so that is another quality in my experience. in zazen, especially on retreats it is not so hard to have this kind of experience.
@jhgosnell Thank you for explaining that to me. Now that you say god is "absence of self", a "contraction" and "emptiness" all I need to know is where did you get your information. Also, are you meditating so you could connect to "emptiness?" Why? Last but not the least, I can assure you that what you call god is a source of super-fine energy and information. I can also assure you, but you will have to find out on your own, that source is anything but emptiness or stillness.
@sorellman the experience of emptiness for me was an accident of meditation. i had no intention of it. one kind of experience i seem to have is emptiness. also, it is not emptiness in the negative sense so much, but a fullness with nothing in it. the other experience i seem to have is more of an energetic one...i think the difference here is between experiencing the causal body vs. the subtle one. also, i have the experience of emptiness in the midst of form and as form itself.
@jhgosnell I hope one day you will experience the fullness of what some inappropriately call god. You are here though to connect to that fullness through action, through understanding, not necessarily through meditation. There is a reason why you chose to experience the material. Meditate on that.
Not true. Faith can't precede religion. Faith needs content. Faith alone is w/o content. He means openness precedes content and then faith empowers it to that person.
I have ancestry of protestantism,and this iz intertwining thru-out my spirituality.The more lives we live,the closer to spirituality we become.At some point,up ahead,there iz a gate.We try to get to it,and all our journey's in life have gotten us to this point,and then once in,small steps R taken and then a few more,as we learn in our ownself,in our own hearts,the truth.Spirituality iz a feeling and a knowing,and knowing that your knowing! It iz only owned by you,it is your own masterpiece<3
i like this video because it is looking at only the faith and not promoting a single religon in all honisty i belive in a higher power but i do not have a religon.
Was Ken implying at the end there that he was once an alcoholic? I wasn't aware of that. He generally seems to be down on drug use in most talks I've heard, though I did hear him say he used MDMA when it was still legal and benefitted from it.
A quote from The Padgett Messages ~ Just Google the site.
(Below is speaking about the transformation of the mortal soul into the immortal through God's Grace acquired through prayer - for anybody and everybody.)
"The great instrument that causes this great happiness is love, and by this I mean the Divine Love of which we have so often written, and without which it is impossible for a soul to obtain this condition or to become a dweller in the Celestial Heavens."
Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him."
Yes, exactly, free of religion and all its trappings, its history, its burdens. Free to be what I am supposed to be. I surrender to the real reality. You have a nice day.
Religions separate us from one another, make us have more conflicts and making us more blind to the Truth. The Truth is that we took the teachings of all those Spiritual Masters and made them as religions. That was not God's intention. We must end religion and unite again as the Spiritual or Awakened because Spirituality is OUR PATH to knowledge and truth and unfortunately we have forgotten that path. So lets Wake up, Remember and Practice it to Awaken ourselves again.
The Truth is very simple thing, you don't need a religion to it. These theologists are just trying to confuse people who are "weaker" than them. Such a shame. But you have to get it yourself.
@nir8vana interesting that many religions rely on the answers coming from ones self...the assertion that there is a small piece of divinity withn us from which the wisdom we need can be relayed? I heard a priest in the movie "Boondock Saints" refer to the soul as a "Connection" to the almighty...the more I study religions and philosophy the more truth I find about the human condition
Anyway. Truth is this guy is a false teacher like all the teachers from the vatican are. And the new age swami next to him is another false teacher. We can not mix hinduism and buddism with Christ. You can get upset for me saying so but that's ok. It's the truth and those who do try will receive the reward of damnation on judgement day.
@KakkoiGuy1 good thing you are here to denounce all these false teachers - what would we do without you, the final authority? What arrogance. Just like the Islamists - same thing - we have the truth, we know the truth, our God is the only God (as if there could be more than one) and we are here to destroy the infidels (the ones who think or believe otherwise). Terrible. So stuck to their beliefs that they cannot hear.
Man's problem is is SIN! CUT AND DRY! WE ARE A FALLEN PEOPLE BECAUSE OF ADAM AND WE NEED THE SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST! THERE IS NO OTHER WAY! WE ARE NOT GOOD FOR OUR HEARTS PROVE THAT! WE THINK WICKED THOUGHTS AND DO WICKED SELFISH DEEDS. OUTSIDE OF JESUS THERE IS NO HOPE. ALL FAITHS DON'T TEACH THE SAME FOR WE PREACH JESUS CRUCIFIED FOR THE SINS OF THE WORLD AND SALVATION BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH IN JESUS ALONE
not true. there are many sages of other traditions who are wise and compassionate souls and it is easy to see that many believers in Jesus are violent and confused. Those individuals, although they believe in Jesus do not apply his teaching, to love thy neighbour, to love your enemy, to turn the other cheek, etc. It seems much easier to believe and to preach than to follow the teaching.
@claudelebel55 Of "TRADITIONS"... True followers of Christ are not violent at all. Jesus said that we must pick up our cross and follow Him. We have to crucify the deeds of the flesh and we are going to have to deny ourselves. Violence is a deed of the flesh. Once again, it boils down to sin. ANd if these people aren't showing change in their lives then they can't really be seen as Christians.
@claudelebel55 Truth is not relevant my friend. You can get mad at me for saying so and that's quite ok. The Words I speak are going to offend those that have not the truth and even hate the truth because they aren't willing to subject themselves to Jesus and trust in what He did for them. They'd rather be their own gods and continue to live in sin without repenting. Maybe you are one of them. I don't know. However your battle is not with me.
@claudelebel55 As for the questions you so kindly posted on my profile (don't know why you didn't just ask them here but oh well)...I say this... The heart of man is wicked. Since his heart is wicked the things that come from his heart are as well. Jesus circumsizes the heart and makes it alive again because it's dead in sin before people trust in Him for salvation.
@claudelebel55 He also said if you look on a person in lust then you've committed adultery. Those are the words of Jesus. You're smart so I know you can figure that out.
@claudelebel55 All in all, your problem is not with me in particular but with the fact that I said Jesus is the only way. In this new agey world we live in people are looking for a wider road to salvation when Jesus already said that the wide road is the road that leads to distruction and that he was the WAY (not a way but THE WAY), THE TRUTH, and THE LIFE and that you won't see the Kingdom of God unless you go through Him. Not my words. JESUS' WORDS.
@KakkoiGuy1 first of all I am not new-agey - and second there is what Jesus said and there is your understanding of what he said. I leave you with the question and suggest that their might be another way to understand the words of Jesus. Maybe he was talking about something other than his human body, something more essential, eternal .... I leave you to ponder although I suspect you wont.
@claudelebel55 I didn't call YOU in particular, NEW AGEY. I said this world we live in is becoming that way. As far as Jesus Words. I just quoted them. It wasn't "my interpretation" of them. If I tell you the sky is Blue. And you tell me that maybe I really meant something else, wouldn't that be odd. Absolute statements are just that. Absolute. You can't get around it. HE said He was the WAY, TRUTH, and LIFE and that no man could get to the Father or see the kingdom of God but through Him.
@KakkoiGuy1 even Jesus the man had his failings - father why hast though forsaken me and then he recoops. There was a battle there to stay true to the Christ and not to his body - his human form which is perishable.
@claudelebel55 Glad you spoke on that. To help you understand that better let me shed some light on the subject. Jesus was Fully God and Fully Man. God the Son came down and wrapped himself in flesh John 1:1-3,14... While He was on this earth he had to restrain and limited Himself to a degree to walk in this earth as a man. Why did He cry out what He cried out? It wasn't a battle. I'll explain in part 2.
@claudelebel55 The reason why Jesus cried out Why Has Thou Forsaken me is because for the first time ever in his earthly life, JESUS the CHRIST felt the separation that sin causes as He took upon Your sins & Mine as well as the rest of the world's. The wrath of God was upon Him as He paid the price for us. All of the sins of the whole world were upon Him and so was the crushing of His body for that sin.
@claudelebel55 You should be on your knees praising Him and thanking Him because that is what we all deserve plus hell. Another reference of seperation that is caused by sin is when Adam sinned in the Garden. Remember God asked "Adam where art thou?" It wasn't because He didn't know where He was but because Adam was spiritually alive through connection to God. When he sinned, he no longer was connected to the true and Holy God. Genesis chps1-4.
@KakkoiGuy1 I don't care about quotes from the Bible. Look within and check it out for yourself. Otherwise it is mere belief. Everybody quotes his favourite book, throws quotes at the other guy. It is not helpful. Speak from your own experience. That's what Jesus did and that's why the priests (upholders of dogma and holy books) were upset. Maybe you are an evolved Christian, I don't know. Father Keating is and that I do know.
@claudelebel55 Actually, Keating isn't a Chrisitan at all. Plus we aren't to call these men "Father". Jesus said that. Not me. Another thing is that Jesus quoted scripture many times. You know, that same Bible you claim I quote. When tempted He said "It is written...It is written...It is written... or Haven't you read?....." He constantly referred to scriptures because the scriptures are God's Word. :) The question you have to ask yourself is this...When Claude dies, where will he go?
@claudelebel55 Will you follow these "evolved" Christians and their new age anti Chirstian beliefs mixed with paganism or will you trust in Jesus' Words and what he did ALONE? Jesus and the Apostles would have condemned Keating for teaching heresies and false gospels. What will you believe? My friend, eternity is a long time to spend in Hell for not having the truth and believing a lie. Are you ready to follow Keating there? I hope not.
@claudelebel55 Only you can answer that question though. I can't do that for you. Looking within will mislead you as well. God knows that man's heart is flawed by sin so He wants us to look to HIM and not to ourselves. Looking to ourselves is actually satanism and making one's self god. These men are teaching satanism. Trust in Jesus alone. Open your Bible and read daily and pray for understanding on things you don't.
@claudelebel55 You'll see this man's teachings are false and guiding people through the wide gate. I encourage you to do that my friend. I love you enough to be truthful with you. Unlike these catholic monks and so called priests who have no love for people whatsoever, and mislead them away from the cross into idolatry and selfworship as well. Look to Jesus and keep your eyes on Him. My final exhortation to you. With love
@KakkoiGuy1 you seem like a very intelligent man so let me ask you. Where is your experience of Jesus taking place ? where are you experiencing Jesus ? take your time. Take a good look. Where is this Jesus that you speak of ? Where does he live ?
@Parkminster7 That is absolutely ok. If you disagree with me, that's fine. However instead of just listening to me, do your research. Research what I say. Then not only that, compare this man's doctrines to the BIBLE. It's contrary. First of all, Catholicism is completely contrary to the BIBLE so already he is off. Purgatory, Eucharist, Pope, Nuns, Priests (we are all priests when we come to Jesus, not these guys) are all unbiblical. So already he starts with false doctrine & leads you to more.
@Parkminster7 God loves you so much that he would use me and I'm sure other true lovers of Jesus to come and warn you about this man and his false teachings. Jesus doesn't want you lost. He doesn't. However this guy calling himself a father (Jesus told us to call NO MAN father) is misleading people and teaching hinduism. These things will be so in these last days though. For those that have an ear, they will hear and won't be snared in the trap this man and many false teachers lay for people.
@KakkoiGuy1 its because of people like you that Christianity loses 1-2 percent of its followers every year, you need to realize that not everyone wants to be christian and deserve love and respect, just look at the sermon on the mount and you will see that Jesus doesn't want bigotry in his religion.
@KDaugherty15 Well, Jesus offended many and that is the reason why people also wanted to stone Him and or wanted to walk away because He spoke the truth. I submit to you this.. if Christ (not Christianity) is losing 1 to 2 percent of His followers every year then they were not following Christ in the first place or they were not following Him for the right reasons. You're calling me a bigot because I am saying that this man's teachings are not Christ teachings at all. Well, if that is the case
@KDaugherty15 then based off your definition of bigotry then I am. However you should look the word up before using it. To call right right and wrong wrong is not bigotry. It's call judging rightly. If I was to hold a blue ball in front of your face and ask you what color it was and you said "RED" you would be judging incorrectly, for the ball is blue. Would you call me a bigot for saying the ball is blue and for telling you that you called it by the wrong color? No. It's the same thing here.
@KDaugherty15 I'm telling you that the teachings are New Age and contrary to Christ's based off the BIBLE itself and you are calling me a bigot because I am calling it out. The scary thing is that people like you are being prepared for the NWO and it's one world religion where new age is ok, and everything is relative, and it's bigotry to say something is right or wrong. You will say there are no ABSOLUTES but to say that is to make and Absolute statement. You're being prepped and don't know it.
@KDaugherty15 One more thing. Jesus also taught that you should judge righteous Judgement. He even taught that His true followers would be persecuted and hated because of the words they spoke of Him and because of their stand for Him. The world didn't love Jesus and therefore they don't love His followers (the true followers) because we stand up for the truth and contend for the faith (meaning we expose the liars and their false doctrines). The world loves these men here. That says something.
@KakkoiGuy1 So, Jesus' followers would be hated, and u hate others so maybe they r his true followers, just saying that the argument can be turned around. Also, u r talking about the NWO and this is based on Revelation, that book is by official church doctrine a metaphor, not literal, and also it was written 2000 years ago by someone who wasn't a disciple so its authenticity is questionable. Also, Revelation was written to Rome, not modern day society. Also, several books in the Bible...
@KakkoiGuy1 were forged, just look up 2 Peter, 2 and 3 John, Timothy, Titus, and Mathew. Also, I know my stuff, My uncle is a pastor, my grandmother and 2 aunts are missionaries, and I am baptized and read the Bible, but I am not blind to history, archaeology and science,unlike you
@KDaugherty15 yes man, it's so sad that this people who still keep ignorance as a virtue show up here to feel important through judging and pointing fingers to such a righteouss and wise man of God like father Keating. And yes I agree with you @KakkoiGuy is an ignorant short sighted bigot and the worst thing is that this kind of people can't grow fully spiritually because they will never go beyond their blind arrogance. Let's pray for them.
When are ignorant people like you gonna get your head out of that bible and stop preaching versus from a fictional writing that was written over and over and interpreted over and over again. wake up! please! do yourself a favor!
@pierocalifornia What did I do to piss you off I was arguing with that kakoiguy not you. Also people like you are just as bad as evangelicals you are so sure that you're right. There is not any proof for or against God and religion it's all opinion so please just learn some respect. When I was an atheist I still respect others religion because of the moral truths people like Buddha and Jesus taught
@claudelebel55 That's a pretty absolute statement. You either believe what He said or Don't. Your eternal abode depends on believing it though. He was actually talking about trusting in Him for salvation. There is a thing called "context" that we use that helps people understand. We teach kids in schools to read and get understanding of written things based on context. That's just simple.
@KakkoiGuy1 I know it sounds absolute but there is still an element of interpretation. He is not speaking from ego when he says 'I', He is not talking about his body mind with it's limited life span. He is not talking about the man Jesus but the Christ which is his essential self and to which we all have access because none of us is separate from that at core.
@claudelebel55 Therefore, based on the context we know He is talking about. Read the book of Matthew yourself. You are smarter than me. The context should be the same no matter what. No matter if you're rich, poor, young old, smart, not so smart. The context is still the same. :) Cheers.
@KakkoiGuy1 I'm sure that Jesus would much prefer for you to apply his teaching than to merely believe in him. What is the point if you don't follow his words. How many self-righteous preachers have been caught with their pants down in sexual or financial scandals ? and it happens over and over again and more quietly and less conspicuously in our own lives when we are humbled. Yes we must come to the end of our selfishness and to recognize it is a good beginning.
More Catholic Ecumenicalism. They are trying to bring about 1 world religion under the pope. Can't people see this? This is what the book of Revelation is talking about. No absolutes? Is he serious? To say there are no absolutes is an absolute statement. JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY! Jesus said that. Not me. Now that is an absolute you can count on. Please don't trust these false teachers.
In response to the earlier comment on "awful" body language. Check out the web -- there are scads of articles about body language that argue that our gestures are often culturally / socially determined and therefore subject to misinterpretation across cultures:
For false christs and false prophets will rise and show signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. But take heed; see, I have told you all things beforehand. (Mark 13: 21-23)
Seems like our friend Keating fits the description...
@bob0wonder AMEN! He sure does! He is not teaching the Bible. He is speaking the mantras of hinduism and buddhism which is what these catholic priests studied when they brought about centering prayer. I pray for these men because their end is not a good one because of misleading people.
@KakkoiGuy1 I'm glad to see someone else who discerns this stuff from the true Christianity. I pray that these men come to knwo the true Jesus but the false message they've spread can't be stopped now. It's sad to think that these men might be leading people to hell.
the body language is awful here... too much nose touching, over gesturing .. i doubt this person believes what he's talking about.. look at his hands rubbing the chair...trying to reinforce... just awful... it's insulting that this even gets air time. And this old conjuring trick of wearing a sack cloth.. in a vain attempt of distancing himself from society.. the very societies they are preaching to.
@conorferguson : Do you know anything about Keating? Have you read any of his works? Learned his history? Or seen him in person? If you did, you might understand more about why he wears his monk's robes (not as a way of distancing himself at all!), and you might even come to appreciate his body language (a culturally conditioned thing, btw, NOT universal) as expressive of overflowing love and gratitude, not in the twisted way you are interpreting it. look beyond your preconceptions, people.
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IpsaPaphum: to transcend means to see something, a belief or belief system, as it is -as arising from thoughts, experiences and learned conditioning. This doesn't require rejection, and can happily include acceptance of a belief. It simply means that you no longer identify with it.
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He's saying " contempletive practices" because he doesn't want to admit the research he's talking about is on budhist monks no Christians or Catholics or islamists, and they never even suggest a god or gods are invovled in thier experiences. I think this is a great misrepresentation of the facts AGAIN by Christian apologists
well, earlier in the piece father thomas mentioned that the ultimate goal of the religious person is to use religion, spirituality, or whatever means necessary to address the 'human problem' - the problem of the false self, the separation from the source. he goes on to say that even after the problem is addressed it is the ultimate goal to transcend even those things that address the problem and rise above to a new level of understanding and being. sounds kind of like nirvana, doesn't it?
Father Thomas talks about 'transcending one's own religion without rejecting it'. But can you transcend a particular belief system without rejecting in a sense its exclusive claims?
I was given a gift, and it told me, "From the stillness a thought is arising. Don't believe the thought, only that it is arising." The gift continued giving, and told me "out of the silence, a belief is taking form. Don't have faith in the belief, have faith only that is is taking form."
Transcending means to see a belief or belief system as it is - a bundle of thoughts, learned responses that are unceasingly arising from mind. Seeing this doesn't reject the belief, it simply means not identifying with it.
Checking the comments once again clearly illustrates that RELIGION itself has been humanities bane since it's very inception. Yes, I dare say it 'religion, is the root of all evil'! ok, maybe not all evil. But there is no denying that historically more wars have been fought, and more people have been killed for religious reasons than any other... oh errr, wait, it's not just historically, is it? People are still killed, and wars are still being fought in 'the name of religion' even today...
@ClaudeusGothicus yeah ken wilber explains psychologically how its becuz ppl have been at too low a developmental level to allow others to be themselves. but spirituality, NOT RELIGION, provides methods of accelerating psychological growth. do u get how important that is?
@theeonionbagel more specifically, meditation has been empirically proven to do this. to facilitate feelings of love, peace and compassion, and to help us transcend our nasty shadows
yes, I agree meditation is very beneficial on many levels. however my comment didn't address spirituality, only religion; and more specifically, which I should have stated clearly, organized religion. spirituality and religion are not necessarily the same thing. you might note that my comment was in reference to the prior postings, and was not a commentary on the content of this video.
MORE THAN 500 people saw Jesus after death. Documents were written within 20-30 years after death about his RESSURECTION. How could thos have so much power? Besides...the message is truly revolutionary...Love one another love God...WOW....the people who are truly human really understand Jesus.
From my understanding jesus, Yeshu, Yeshuah was a devout Jew as was his bro James. In fact it was Paul who drifted from the jewish path and allowing non torah keeping people into the new faith. Jesus always said he didnt come to change the law (torah)
@pietrrocks : He never came to change He came to fulfill it, which He did perfectly, there is a huge difference. jesus came to teach that cossing the t's and dotting the that all religions love to do is the wrong way to do things. He wants us all to love one another despite our differences as He showed us through His actions over and over agian. Yes, we all need to be less religious and more spiritual.
She is a Jew who became a christian mystic and talks about the process of decreation in order to understand the true reality. However she refused to become a catholic becuase she didnt want to be part of a collectivity the same way she felt about her jewish background, hence why she struggled with the concept of anarchism which for me is the true utopia
Faith is the surrender to reality. Transcend and include even religion. Ken reminds us that if we want to grow, contemplative practices are our best bet. This may cause us to become more humble, willing to acknowdelge and accept our imprefections and lack of control, and to want to embrace daily life. So be it. God bless you father.
Father Keating, you are a shame to the true and orthodox Catholic Church. You are no longer working for Christ and His Church. I shudder to think that you actually know for whom you are working...whenever a Christian meditates, it should ALWAYS be on Christ through contemplative prayer. This is just a bunch of truly dangerous jibberish. AND YOU KNOW IT!!!
I was in AA for some years and had a transformative experience just before I had given up hope in AA's way. I was opened up to see what would work for me and I agree with these two. I meditate and that brings up my pain and I have chosen a spiritual program to guide me through the pain. it seems to me that I need both of them equally although I resisted heavily the idea of a right way. I just found a way for me.
What if all of them are the right path. Our down fall as humans is that we feel there can only be one religion or way. In all honesty all the ways lead to the same destination which is a happy life.
John 14:6 - Jesus said unto him, "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life; no man cometh unto the Father, but by Me."
Mark 12:32 - And the scribe said unto Him, "Well, Master, thou hast said the truth, for there is one God, and there is none other than He."
Matthew 7:13 - "Enter ye in at the strait gate, for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leadeth to destruction, and many there be who go in thereat."
Too bad Jesus DIDN'T WRITE ANYTHING DOWN , also its a bummer that Christ didn't speak Greek or Latin neither did his dicsiples .But we have faith that whoever wrote it down got Jesus words verbatim...more than 100 years after his death...sweet.
Even if God doesn't "exist" (as a fact), the false self that Keating talks about does. So does the destructive self-centeredness that ruins our lives and makes us unhappy. The contemplative life doesn't need God to be provable.......what it being spoken of here has a merit of its own and is worth persuing.
@klokker0007 No, but it needs that which is called God. In order to not be caught in the false self, I have to be standing on solid ground. Where is this place from which everything is seen. It must be real and it must be present at all times under all circumstances. Without this rock to stand on I would be at the mercy of everything that arrises in my mind, every thought and emotion.
@klokker0007 It doesn't need "God", but depending on what one means by the word, it DOES need G_d, the deeper reality that is the power that looks out fo your eyes.
I am totally amazed at this way of thinking. It all fits into the higher echelons of all the world's faiths, and when we all start doing it this way, the world will be an amazing place. Why didn't they teach this kind of stuff in Sunday school?
Beautiful but fo those that say one religiong is better than other, or some are stupid, are missing the whole point.
You are being self centered and you fall in exactly the same trap that father Keating is telling us to avoid. IT doesn't bowl down on how something MAKE YOU FEEL, it is NOT ABOUT you, it is about something bigger than you. Once you understand that, you become less selfish, self centered and think that you are the "right" one...
May be, but buddhists do a lot more work than christians. It's more interesting and rewarding to meditate than to just go to church, "repent", and you go to heaven.
My personal opionion is that most organized religions overcomplicate everything. I am skeptical as soon as they start being specific about a particular subject. So I believe "God" in a fundamental way (probably not the way you see it) but I don't think that anyone can tell me anything about it in the literal sense. Religious texts do indeed offer much words of wisdom but I don't use it as a guide to life. Just my 2 cents :)
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"There is evidence that support these claims"
...PLEASE dont make me puke. BORING Stupid jesus crap. No matter how they wrap shit it´s still SHIT! Let´s stick to reality. I speak for all intelligent beings on the planet when I say LETS NOT EVER AGAIN TALK ABOUT FOLLOWING TOPICS: spiritual, magic, mind, ghost, energy, lifeforce, god or intelligent design.
6bilidiots, The name idiot in your name is quite worthy of your room temperature IQ. Now go crawl back to your narrow dark cave and marvel in the bliss of your ignorance. You have to be intelligent to speak on behalf of intelligent people. You are nothing more than pocket change that makes a lot of noise but is worth very little. BE GONE YOU VAGRANT!!!!!
You know, not 3 months ago I was EXACTLY like you. I read Richard Dawkins books religiously *pun* and I viewed channels such as TheAmazingAtheist. Looking at it from the outside I've noticed how nieve and uneducated you people sound. I believe that science is a wonderful tool; I believe in evolution, abiogenesis, and the big bang. But what you don't understand is that as soon as you put up walls to new ideas, that is when you fail to use reason. I'm spiritual, but not necessarily religious.
Religions are stupid, buddhism and hindiusm makes sense. Western religions are crap, but eastern religions have a lot to offer. Spirituality can lead to inner peace. Meditating in a mountain is better than going to church.
It's a misconception to think that to find God we have to go to church. God is in nature. God is in everything we do and everywhere we go. By silencing our thoughts and listening to our inner voice we can hear him.
That is why I think that God doesn't exist. God exists when people believe in him, but for only those people. I was a christian when I was young, and all the churches I went were like that.
There are hundred of religions out there and God, who created the world and billions of souls, chose one major religion with which we could honor him? We are all products of our environment. Understanding only one religion is like holding one piece of a hundred piece puzzle, you only get an incomplete picture.
I used to be an atheist. I do not subscribe to organized religion and hate labels. I only care about what is there. But for me I am convinced because of the experiences I have had.
@Frogstomp121 The church is a building not made with human hands, so no matter what denomination or religion you belong to, if you believe in the Son you are a member of "The" church. Christ prayed for us all in every nation, and for all time, past, present and future that those who are in His hand would not be taken out.
@Frogstomp121 --While I agree with you, sort of, I do think that because God is one there is uniformity in his mind. If all religions are good--they may contain some good-then no religion is good. For example, the principle of non-contradiciton is not present in eastern "religions," so I have great problems with their concept of God. Their concept of God is very subjective--in my mind, Dalai Lama, for example, which does not allow for an objective reality.
I was talking to a Protestant about Christian meditation recently. I explained that the difference between Christian meditation on the Rosary, Lectio Divina or other form, is meditation *on* something, such as the events of the life of Christ or the Scriptures. Hindu/1Buddhist meditation is meditation on *nothingness*, on emptiness. This is dangerous because it opens oneself up to all sorts of spirits. It is this sort of emptying that Keating proposes, *not* Christian meditation.
Hindu/Buddhist meditation is not meditation on nothingness, it's on pure awareness. You're speaking out of ignorance. And how is the statement "all religions are understandings of the same God" anti-christian? Are you saying Christianity is the only way to true God union and other practices are in tuned with a different, less genuine God? All religions are understandings of the same God and that includes Christianity. How does the Bible show this is not true?
"Are you saying Christianity is the only way to true God union" Absolutely!
"other practices are in tuned with a different, less genuine God?" The devil, called Lucifer or Satan, and his minions
"How does the Bible show this is not true?"
Have you read the Bible? The first commandment God calling idolaters "fornicators" and "adulterers" and demanding their death. Jesus saying, "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No man comes to the Father except by Me." Where did you get this idea?
God realization doesn't require Christianity (though it helps). There are many people that are evident of this truth. I think the first commandment is simply saying there is one God. And I think what Jesus is saying is that by not following his example you will not find God, which is very true. But I think if Jesus had met Krishna he would have said, "oh yeah and this guy too." But in Jesus' eyes there was no one teachings his teaching
his opening point about faith is nonsense. contrary to popular belief, faith is not a virtue. faith is accepting something without evidence. faith is gullability. morality came before religion, religion likes to lay claim to it but that simply is not the case.
lhurien 5 days ago
as Christ said only a child can enter heaven. so I wont grow up just old. :}
SuperSpiritDove 1 week ago
its nice to see a catholic teaching the "way"
SuperSpiritDove 1 week ago
He should be publicly denounced from every pulpit in the land.
Akkad100 1 month ago
ken is such a great man. he is open minded increddible knowing person. I have deepest respect for Ken.
smallpotatoes989 3 months ago
What is so sad is this wonderful mind is in such a frail body.. if only his mind could be carried on to another vessel.. such insight is takes so many years to have it,
slippery42 5 months ago
Bald Head Junior sounds like a salesman, blecch.
Amhlair 5 months ago
@Amhlair You sound like a douche bag!
thegorn68 5 months ago
I love this.. True example of Christianity,
slippery42 7 months ago in playlist God
This sounds more like humanism and liberalism/progressivism then anything to do with Christianity.
TurbotortoiseStickle 7 months ago
“But as for those whose hearts are devoted to their vile images and detestable idols, I will bring down on their own heads what they have done, declares the Sovereign LORD.” (Ezekiel 11:2
AntG72 7 months ago
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And you, dear one, are a minister of fear.
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@bettysman Proverbs 9:10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding. Psalm 111:10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever.
AntG72 6 months ago
Thomas Keating a minister of satan.
AntG72 7 months ago
@AntG72 LOL! Thanks Jack Chick!
thegorn68 5 months ago
@thegorn68 2 Peter 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
AntG72 5 months ago
I personally still go back to Aquinas's one word definition of God as "incomprehensible". It seems to help one accept the ultimate paradoxes. Worth a lot of contemplation. I admire Ken Wilbur's creation of a venue here. He may not intend it to be a prayer but that's what I think it is.
peppilepiu 11 months ago
I think the God is what one perceives it as. To me, God is a force like gravity, it's invisible and constant, and all other elements are subjected to it, whether they want to or not. The God is the underlying order in the midst of overwhelming chaos. It's elegant and mysterious.
wisestfoolalive 1 year ago 8
it bothers me thaqt he wears a suit under his cassock.
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koarariavcvbcv 1 year ago
What he says is absolutely false. Man does not need a belief system. A belief system is only good for those who profit from the abandonment to belief of those who are "poor in spirit". Faith is actually based on known facts and reason. Belief is a blind acceptance of a certain concept, of opinions proclaimed in churches or in science class as being the absolute truth. Notice how he tries to discredit the yoga method in order to be able to sell his own. He is not preaching, he is marketing.
sorellman 1 year ago
@sorellman You are so right. I was surprised that Ken Wilber agreed with him so diligently and at the end even reinforced the idea of organized religion as something positive and beneficial.
elbanydaer 1 year ago
@sorellman faith is belief.
Takiado 1 year ago
@Takiado Not exactly. According to the Gnostic school of though, for example, faith is a projection of a conclusion reached by the way of reason and intuition by looking at facts of reality. Knowledge is a confirmation of what we have received through faith. Belief is to simply accept that something is true because someone claiming authority in a certain domain has said it is so. To accept that god created the world is belief, and so is the idea of evolution being fact.
sorellman 1 year ago
@sorellman I don't understand. What is he selling? I thought it was simply a daily practice. Am I wrong?
trbray77 9 months ago
@sorellman I think you misunderstand him.
SocialLocust 8 months ago
Evolutionary, progressive, liberal, transcendental theology...this is what we need...we are living in such an exciting time...Im out of words about it...
vinceism1 1 year ago
I love Thomas Keating. :)
SurrenderEverything 1 year ago
I love people in debate, of course you are all right because you truly believe your point of view and in doing this you are actually supporting the ideas presented in this video. Oh how that makes me smile, thankyou.
Namasté
StarlynStargazer 1 year ago 3
@StarlynStargazer Could you point to one idea presented in his video while you're condescendingly smiling? He's not advocating for any "ideas", he is marketing his religious scheme which allows him to live above comfortably in his abode in Colorado. This is a video promoting his retreats and his programs. If you go to his website you will find out that they do not come cheap. Just another religion of millions ... of dollars.
sorellman 1 year ago
@sorellman one idea it seems is that he thinks contemplative prayer is the best way to encounter God and to mature as a human Being.
jhgosnell 1 year ago
@jhgosnell What's "god? This is a very serious question. Define god so I can tell if there is there something you could "encounter" in the first place.
sorellman 1 year ago
@sorellman the absence of self as a contraction...god is emptiness or stillness
jhgosnell 1 year ago
@sorellman also, God is not a thing, so this is not the right term. we can experience eternity actually...most meditations take you to that point...so that is another quality in my experience. in zazen, especially on retreats it is not so hard to have this kind of experience.
jhgosnell 1 year ago
@jhgosnell Thank you for explaining that to me. Now that you say god is "absence of self", a "contraction" and "emptiness" all I need to know is where did you get your information. Also, are you meditating so you could connect to "emptiness?" Why? Last but not the least, I can assure you that what you call god is a source of super-fine energy and information. I can also assure you, but you will have to find out on your own, that source is anything but emptiness or stillness.
sorellman 1 year ago
@sorellman the experience of emptiness for me was an accident of meditation. i had no intention of it. one kind of experience i seem to have is emptiness. also, it is not emptiness in the negative sense so much, but a fullness with nothing in it. the other experience i seem to have is more of an energetic one...i think the difference here is between experiencing the causal body vs. the subtle one. also, i have the experience of emptiness in the midst of form and as form itself.
jhgosnell 1 year ago
@jhgosnell I hope one day you will experience the fullness of what some inappropriately call god. You are here though to connect to that fullness through action, through understanding, not necessarily through meditation. There is a reason why you chose to experience the material. Meditate on that.
sorellman 1 year ago
Not true. Faith can't precede religion. Faith needs content. Faith alone is w/o content. He means openness precedes content and then faith empowers it to that person.
Dauist34 1 year ago
I have ancestry of protestantism,and this iz intertwining thru-out my spirituality.The more lives we live,the closer to spirituality we become.At some point,up ahead,there iz a gate.We try to get to it,and all our journey's in life have gotten us to this point,and then once in,small steps R taken and then a few more,as we learn in our ownself,in our own hearts,the truth.Spirituality iz a feeling and a knowing,and knowing that your knowing! It iz only owned by you,it is your own masterpiece<3
TheSnowsbeauty5 1 year ago
thank you! finally religeous people are waking up from dogma....not many people but its a start
pierocalifornia 1 year ago
WHAT THE HELL DID HE SAY?
rplhouse 1 year ago
i like this video because it is looking at only the faith and not promoting a single religon in all honisty i belive in a higher power but i do not have a religon.
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Was Ken implying at the end there that he was once an alcoholic? I wasn't aware of that. He generally seems to be down on drug use in most talks I've heard, though I did hear him say he used MDMA when it was still legal and benefitted from it.
pape37 1 year ago
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pape37 1 year ago
A quote from The Padgett Messages ~ Just Google the site.
(Below is speaking about the transformation of the mortal soul into the immortal through God's Grace acquired through prayer - for anybody and everybody.)
"The great instrument that causes this great happiness is love, and by this I mean the Divine Love of which we have so often written, and without which it is impossible for a soul to obtain this condition or to become a dweller in the Celestial Heavens."
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Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him."
- John 14:6-7 (New International Version)
rosslkendall 1 year ago
Brilliant conversation !
I just love Father Keating.
LooksAeterna 1 year ago
Atheists need bullshit. God offers truth. Simple truth: I AM WHO AM! Academics need monkey shit like this. God Bless 'em. Pussies.
jeep1234567890 1 year ago
Yes, exactly, free of religion and all its trappings, its history, its burdens. Free to be what I am supposed to be. I surrender to the real reality. You have a nice day.
Truman486 1 year ago
Watch out for so called Pure Spirit, the open door for suspect influences disgusied as "Holy."
MyBetty111 1 year ago
Is this man a Catholic Priest? He sounds very progressive for a man of the cloth. I like the cut of his jib.
Avonaco76 1 year ago
Religions separate us from one another, make us have more conflicts and making us more blind to the Truth. The Truth is that we took the teachings of all those Spiritual Masters and made them as religions. That was not God's intention. We must end religion and unite again as the Spiritual or Awakened because Spirituality is OUR PATH to knowledge and truth and unfortunately we have forgotten that path. So lets Wake up, Remember and Practice it to Awaken ourselves again.
ElitePirate296 1 year ago
The Truth is very simple thing, you don't need a religion to it. These theologists are just trying to confuse people who are "weaker" than them. Such a shame. But you have to get it yourself.
nir8vana 1 year ago
@nir8vana interesting that many religions rely on the answers coming from ones self...the assertion that there is a small piece of divinity withn us from which the wisdom we need can be relayed? I heard a priest in the movie "Boondock Saints" refer to the soul as a "Connection" to the almighty...the more I study religions and philosophy the more truth I find about the human condition
Avonaco76 1 year ago
@Avonaco76 You can definitely find pieces of truth from all religions, but those ideologies are still wrong.
nir8vana 1 year ago
Anyway. Truth is this guy is a false teacher like all the teachers from the vatican are. And the new age swami next to him is another false teacher. We can not mix hinduism and buddism with Christ. You can get upset for me saying so but that's ok. It's the truth and those who do try will receive the reward of damnation on judgement day.
KakkoiGuy1 1 year ago
@KakkoiGuy1 good thing you are here to denounce all these false teachers - what would we do without you, the final authority? What arrogance. Just like the Islamists - same thing - we have the truth, we know the truth, our God is the only God (as if there could be more than one) and we are here to destroy the infidels (the ones who think or believe otherwise). Terrible. So stuck to their beliefs that they cannot hear.
claudelebel55 1 year ago
It would be cool to stand before this guy reviewing my life if he was part of the Council of Elders in Heaven.
jaworskij 1 year ago
Man's problem is is SIN! CUT AND DRY! WE ARE A FALLEN PEOPLE BECAUSE OF ADAM AND WE NEED THE SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST! THERE IS NO OTHER WAY! WE ARE NOT GOOD FOR OUR HEARTS PROVE THAT! WE THINK WICKED THOUGHTS AND DO WICKED SELFISH DEEDS. OUTSIDE OF JESUS THERE IS NO HOPE. ALL FAITHS DON'T TEACH THE SAME FOR WE PREACH JESUS CRUCIFIED FOR THE SINS OF THE WORLD AND SALVATION BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH IN JESUS ALONE
KakkoiGuy1 1 year ago
@KakkoiGuy1 OUTSIDE OF JESUS THERE IS NO HOPE
not true. there are many sages of other traditions who are wise and compassionate souls and it is easy to see that many believers in Jesus are violent and confused. Those individuals, although they believe in Jesus do not apply his teaching, to love thy neighbour, to love your enemy, to turn the other cheek, etc. It seems much easier to believe and to preach than to follow the teaching.
claudelebel55 1 year ago
@claudelebel55 Of "TRADITIONS"... True followers of Christ are not violent at all. Jesus said that we must pick up our cross and follow Him. We have to crucify the deeds of the flesh and we are going to have to deny ourselves. Violence is a deed of the flesh. Once again, it boils down to sin. ANd if these people aren't showing change in their lives then they can't really be seen as Christians.
KakkoiGuy1 1 year ago
@claudelebel55 Truth is not relevant my friend. You can get mad at me for saying so and that's quite ok. The Words I speak are going to offend those that have not the truth and even hate the truth because they aren't willing to subject themselves to Jesus and trust in what He did for them. They'd rather be their own gods and continue to live in sin without repenting. Maybe you are one of them. I don't know. However your battle is not with me.
KakkoiGuy1 1 year ago
@claudelebel55 As for the questions you so kindly posted on my profile (don't know why you didn't just ask them here but oh well)...I say this... The heart of man is wicked. Since his heart is wicked the things that come from his heart are as well. Jesus circumsizes the heart and makes it alive again because it's dead in sin before people trust in Him for salvation.
KakkoiGuy1 1 year ago
@claudelebel55 He also said if you look on a person in lust then you've committed adultery. Those are the words of Jesus. You're smart so I know you can figure that out.
KakkoiGuy1 1 year ago
@claudelebel55 All in all, your problem is not with me in particular but with the fact that I said Jesus is the only way. In this new agey world we live in people are looking for a wider road to salvation when Jesus already said that the wide road is the road that leads to distruction and that he was the WAY (not a way but THE WAY), THE TRUTH, and THE LIFE and that you won't see the Kingdom of God unless you go through Him. Not my words. JESUS' WORDS.
KakkoiGuy1 1 year ago
@KakkoiGuy1 first of all I am not new-agey - and second there is what Jesus said and there is your understanding of what he said. I leave you with the question and suggest that their might be another way to understand the words of Jesus. Maybe he was talking about something other than his human body, something more essential, eternal .... I leave you to ponder although I suspect you wont.
claudelebel55 1 year ago
@claudelebel55 I didn't call YOU in particular, NEW AGEY. I said this world we live in is becoming that way. As far as Jesus Words. I just quoted them. It wasn't "my interpretation" of them. If I tell you the sky is Blue. And you tell me that maybe I really meant something else, wouldn't that be odd. Absolute statements are just that. Absolute. You can't get around it. HE said He was the WAY, TRUTH, and LIFE and that no man could get to the Father or see the kingdom of God but through Him.
KakkoiGuy1 1 year ago
@KakkoiGuy1 even Jesus the man had his failings - father why hast though forsaken me and then he recoops. There was a battle there to stay true to the Christ and not to his body - his human form which is perishable.
claudelebel55 1 year ago
@claudelebel55 Glad you spoke on that. To help you understand that better let me shed some light on the subject. Jesus was Fully God and Fully Man. God the Son came down and wrapped himself in flesh John 1:1-3,14... While He was on this earth he had to restrain and limited Himself to a degree to walk in this earth as a man. Why did He cry out what He cried out? It wasn't a battle. I'll explain in part 2.
KakkoiGuy1 1 year ago
@claudelebel55 The reason why Jesus cried out Why Has Thou Forsaken me is because for the first time ever in his earthly life, JESUS the CHRIST felt the separation that sin causes as He took upon Your sins & Mine as well as the rest of the world's. The wrath of God was upon Him as He paid the price for us. All of the sins of the whole world were upon Him and so was the crushing of His body for that sin.
KakkoiGuy1 1 year ago
@claudelebel55 You should be on your knees praising Him and thanking Him because that is what we all deserve plus hell. Another reference of seperation that is caused by sin is when Adam sinned in the Garden. Remember God asked "Adam where art thou?" It wasn't because He didn't know where He was but because Adam was spiritually alive through connection to God. When he sinned, he no longer was connected to the true and Holy God. Genesis chps1-4.
KakkoiGuy1 1 year ago
@KakkoiGuy1 I don't care about quotes from the Bible. Look within and check it out for yourself. Otherwise it is mere belief. Everybody quotes his favourite book, throws quotes at the other guy. It is not helpful. Speak from your own experience. That's what Jesus did and that's why the priests (upholders of dogma and holy books) were upset. Maybe you are an evolved Christian, I don't know. Father Keating is and that I do know.
claudelebel55 1 year ago
@claudelebel55 Actually, Keating isn't a Chrisitan at all. Plus we aren't to call these men "Father". Jesus said that. Not me. Another thing is that Jesus quoted scripture many times. You know, that same Bible you claim I quote. When tempted He said "It is written...It is written...It is written... or Haven't you read?....." He constantly referred to scriptures because the scriptures are God's Word. :) The question you have to ask yourself is this...When Claude dies, where will he go?
KakkoiGuy1 1 year ago
@claudelebel55 Will you follow these "evolved" Christians and their new age anti Chirstian beliefs mixed with paganism or will you trust in Jesus' Words and what he did ALONE? Jesus and the Apostles would have condemned Keating for teaching heresies and false gospels. What will you believe? My friend, eternity is a long time to spend in Hell for not having the truth and believing a lie. Are you ready to follow Keating there? I hope not.
KakkoiGuy1 1 year ago
@claudelebel55 Only you can answer that question though. I can't do that for you. Looking within will mislead you as well. God knows that man's heart is flawed by sin so He wants us to look to HIM and not to ourselves. Looking to ourselves is actually satanism and making one's self god. These men are teaching satanism. Trust in Jesus alone. Open your Bible and read daily and pray for understanding on things you don't.
KakkoiGuy1 1 year ago
@claudelebel55 You'll see this man's teachings are false and guiding people through the wide gate. I encourage you to do that my friend. I love you enough to be truthful with you. Unlike these catholic monks and so called priests who have no love for people whatsoever, and mislead them away from the cross into idolatry and selfworship as well. Look to Jesus and keep your eyes on Him. My final exhortation to you. With love
KakkoiGuy1 1 year ago
@KakkoiGuy1 you seem like a very intelligent man so let me ask you. Where is your experience of Jesus taking place ? where are you experiencing Jesus ? take your time. Take a good look. Where is this Jesus that you speak of ? Where does he live ?
claudelebel55 1 year ago
@KakkoiGuy1 I disagree with you and know that you speak absolute untruth.
Parkminster7 1 year ago
@Parkminster7 That is absolutely ok. If you disagree with me, that's fine. However instead of just listening to me, do your research. Research what I say. Then not only that, compare this man's doctrines to the BIBLE. It's contrary. First of all, Catholicism is completely contrary to the BIBLE so already he is off. Purgatory, Eucharist, Pope, Nuns, Priests (we are all priests when we come to Jesus, not these guys) are all unbiblical. So already he starts with false doctrine & leads you to more.
KakkoiGuy1 1 year ago
@Parkminster7 God loves you so much that he would use me and I'm sure other true lovers of Jesus to come and warn you about this man and his false teachings. Jesus doesn't want you lost. He doesn't. However this guy calling himself a father (Jesus told us to call NO MAN father) is misleading people and teaching hinduism. These things will be so in these last days though. For those that have an ear, they will hear and won't be snared in the trap this man and many false teachers lay for people.
KakkoiGuy1 1 year ago
@KakkoiGuy1 grow up and open your mind. this is waaaay bigger than just christianity.
SalusNovus 1 year ago
@KakkoiGuy1 its because of people like you that Christianity loses 1-2 percent of its followers every year, you need to realize that not everyone wants to be christian and deserve love and respect, just look at the sermon on the mount and you will see that Jesus doesn't want bigotry in his religion.
KDaugherty15 1 year ago
@KDaugherty15 Well, Jesus offended many and that is the reason why people also wanted to stone Him and or wanted to walk away because He spoke the truth. I submit to you this.. if Christ (not Christianity) is losing 1 to 2 percent of His followers every year then they were not following Christ in the first place or they were not following Him for the right reasons. You're calling me a bigot because I am saying that this man's teachings are not Christ teachings at all. Well, if that is the case
KakkoiGuy1 1 year ago
@KDaugherty15 then based off your definition of bigotry then I am. However you should look the word up before using it. To call right right and wrong wrong is not bigotry. It's call judging rightly. If I was to hold a blue ball in front of your face and ask you what color it was and you said "RED" you would be judging incorrectly, for the ball is blue. Would you call me a bigot for saying the ball is blue and for telling you that you called it by the wrong color? No. It's the same thing here.
KakkoiGuy1 1 year ago
@KDaugherty15 I'm telling you that the teachings are New Age and contrary to Christ's based off the BIBLE itself and you are calling me a bigot because I am calling it out. The scary thing is that people like you are being prepared for the NWO and it's one world religion where new age is ok, and everything is relative, and it's bigotry to say something is right or wrong. You will say there are no ABSOLUTES but to say that is to make and Absolute statement. You're being prepped and don't know it.
KakkoiGuy1 1 year ago
@KDaugherty15 One more thing. Jesus also taught that you should judge righteous Judgement. He even taught that His true followers would be persecuted and hated because of the words they spoke of Him and because of their stand for Him. The world didn't love Jesus and therefore they don't love His followers (the true followers) because we stand up for the truth and contend for the faith (meaning we expose the liars and their false doctrines). The world loves these men here. That says something.
KakkoiGuy1 1 year ago
@KakkoiGuy1 So, Jesus' followers would be hated, and u hate others so maybe they r his true followers, just saying that the argument can be turned around. Also, u r talking about the NWO and this is based on Revelation, that book is by official church doctrine a metaphor, not literal, and also it was written 2000 years ago by someone who wasn't a disciple so its authenticity is questionable. Also, Revelation was written to Rome, not modern day society. Also, several books in the Bible...
KDaugherty15 1 year ago
@KakkoiGuy1 were forged, just look up 2 Peter, 2 and 3 John, Timothy, Titus, and Mathew. Also, I know my stuff, My uncle is a pastor, my grandmother and 2 aunts are missionaries, and I am baptized and read the Bible, but I am not blind to history, archaeology and science,unlike you
KDaugherty15 1 year ago
@KDaugherty15 yes man, it's so sad that this people who still keep ignorance as a virtue show up here to feel important through judging and pointing fingers to such a righteouss and wise man of God like father Keating. And yes I agree with you @KakkoiGuy is an ignorant short sighted bigot and the worst thing is that this kind of people can't grow fully spiritually because they will never go beyond their blind arrogance. Let's pray for them.
CosmicRuna 1 year ago
When are ignorant people like you gonna get your head out of that bible and stop preaching versus from a fictional writing that was written over and over and interpreted over and over again. wake up! please! do yourself a favor!
pierocalifornia 1 year ago
@pierocalifornia What did I do to piss you off I was arguing with that kakoiguy not you. Also people like you are just as bad as evangelicals you are so sure that you're right. There is not any proof for or against God and religion it's all opinion so please just learn some respect. When I was an atheist I still respect others religion because of the moral truths people like Buddha and Jesus taught
KDaugherty15 1 year ago
@claudelebel55 That's a pretty absolute statement. You either believe what He said or Don't. Your eternal abode depends on believing it though. He was actually talking about trusting in Him for salvation. There is a thing called "context" that we use that helps people understand. We teach kids in schools to read and get understanding of written things based on context. That's just simple.
KakkoiGuy1 1 year ago
@KakkoiGuy1 I know it sounds absolute but there is still an element of interpretation. He is not speaking from ego when he says 'I', He is not talking about his body mind with it's limited life span. He is not talking about the man Jesus but the Christ which is his essential self and to which we all have access because none of us is separate from that at core.
claudelebel55 1 year ago
@claudelebel55 Therefore, based on the context we know He is talking about. Read the book of Matthew yourself. You are smarter than me. The context should be the same no matter what. No matter if you're rich, poor, young old, smart, not so smart. The context is still the same. :) Cheers.
KakkoiGuy1 1 year ago
@KakkoiGuy1 I'm sure that Jesus would much prefer for you to apply his teaching than to merely believe in him. What is the point if you don't follow his words. How many self-righteous preachers have been caught with their pants down in sexual or financial scandals ? and it happens over and over again and more quietly and less conspicuously in our own lives when we are humbled. Yes we must come to the end of our selfishness and to recognize it is a good beginning.
claudelebel55 1 year ago
More Catholic Ecumenicalism. They are trying to bring about 1 world religion under the pope. Can't people see this? This is what the book of Revelation is talking about. No absolutes? Is he serious? To say there are no absolutes is an absolute statement. JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY! Jesus said that. Not me. Now that is an absolute you can count on. Please don't trust these false teachers.
KakkoiGuy1 1 year ago
In response to the earlier comment on "awful" body language. Check out the web -- there are scads of articles about body language that argue that our gestures are often culturally / socially determined and therefore subject to misinterpretation across cultures:
curlytop57 1 year ago
For false christs and false prophets will rise and show signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. But take heed; see, I have told you all things beforehand. (Mark 13: 21-23)
Seems like our friend Keating fits the description...
bob0wonder 1 year ago
@bob0wonder AMEN! He sure does! He is not teaching the Bible. He is speaking the mantras of hinduism and buddhism which is what these catholic priests studied when they brought about centering prayer. I pray for these men because their end is not a good one because of misleading people.
KakkoiGuy1 1 year ago
@KakkoiGuy1 I'm glad to see someone else who discerns this stuff from the true Christianity. I pray that these men come to knwo the true Jesus but the false message they've spread can't be stopped now. It's sad to think that these men might be leading people to hell.
bob0wonder 1 year ago
the body language is awful here... too much nose touching, over gesturing .. i doubt this person believes what he's talking about.. look at his hands rubbing the chair...trying to reinforce... just awful... it's insulting that this even gets air time. And this old conjuring trick of wearing a sack cloth.. in a vain attempt of distancing himself from society.. the very societies they are preaching to.
conorferguson 1 year ago
@conorferguson : Do you know anything about Keating? Have you read any of his works? Learned his history? Or seen him in person? If you did, you might understand more about why he wears his monk's robes (not as a way of distancing himself at all!), and you might even come to appreciate his body language (a culturally conditioned thing, btw, NOT universal) as expressive of overflowing love and gratitude, not in the twisted way you are interpreting it. look beyond your preconceptions, people.
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theseeker2k5 1 year ago
IpsaPaphum: to transcend means to see something, a belief or belief system, as it is -as arising from thoughts, experiences and learned conditioning. This doesn't require rejection, and can happily include acceptance of a belief. It simply means that you no longer identify with it.
rigelmajor 1 year ago
I used to work for the church in the old days when we got away with things now its a lil hard if u know what i mea,.HAHAHAHAYUHAHAH!!!!FUCKIN PRIESTS
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wwwtotalitaerde 1 year ago
He's saying " contempletive practices" because he doesn't want to admit the research he's talking about is on budhist monks no Christians or Catholics or islamists, and they never even suggest a god or gods are invovled in thier experiences. I think this is a great misrepresentation of the facts AGAIN by Christian apologists
Christopholaes 1 year ago
well, earlier in the piece father thomas mentioned that the ultimate goal of the religious person is to use religion, spirituality, or whatever means necessary to address the 'human problem' - the problem of the false self, the separation from the source. he goes on to say that even after the problem is addressed it is the ultimate goal to transcend even those things that address the problem and rise above to a new level of understanding and being. sounds kind of like nirvana, doesn't it?
lavawaffle 1 year ago
Father Thomas talks about 'transcending one's own religion without rejecting it'. But can you transcend a particular belief system without rejecting in a sense its exclusive claims?
IpsaPaphum 2 years ago
I was given a gift, and it told me, "From the stillness a thought is arising. Don't believe the thought, only that it is arising." The gift continued giving, and told me "out of the silence, a belief is taking form. Don't have faith in the belief, have faith only that is is taking form."
rigelmajor 1 year ago
Transcending means to see a belief or belief system as it is - a bundle of thoughts, learned responses that are unceasingly arising from mind. Seeing this doesn't reject the belief, it simply means not identifying with it.
rigelmajor 1 year ago
Religion is a cancer to the world and humanity. They limit human spirituality and deminish what it is to be alive.
zachywackyt 2 years ago
zachywacky:t I used to think that too.
Watch Joseph Campbell's "The Power Of Myth" and I swear you will change your mind about this.
the problem is that most people don't understand myth because they take it literally and thus miss the whole point.
CandyLeeLong 2 years ago
Great insight to
TomTIGER69 2 years ago 2
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TomTIGER69 2 years ago 2
Checking the comments once again clearly illustrates that RELIGION itself has been humanities bane since it's very inception. Yes, I dare say it 'religion, is the root of all evil'! ok, maybe not all evil. But there is no denying that historically more wars have been fought, and more people have been killed for religious reasons than any other... oh errr, wait, it's not just historically, is it? People are still killed, and wars are still being fought in 'the name of religion' even today...
ClaudeusGothicus 2 years ago
@ClaudeusGothicus yeah ken wilber explains psychologically how its becuz ppl have been at too low a developmental level to allow others to be themselves. but spirituality, NOT RELIGION, provides methods of accelerating psychological growth. do u get how important that is?
theeonionbagel 2 years ago
@theeonionbagel more specifically, meditation has been empirically proven to do this. to facilitate feelings of love, peace and compassion, and to help us transcend our nasty shadows
theeonionbagel 2 years ago 2
yes, I agree meditation is very beneficial on many levels. however my comment didn't address spirituality, only religion; and more specifically, which I should have stated clearly, organized religion. spirituality and religion are not necessarily the same thing. you might note that my comment was in reference to the prior postings, and was not a commentary on the content of this video.
ClaudeusGothicus 2 years ago
MORE THAN 500 people saw Jesus after death. Documents were written within 20-30 years after death about his RESSURECTION. How could thos have so much power? Besides...the message is truly revolutionary...Love one another love God...WOW....the people who are truly human really understand Jesus.
DEBUNKMAN 2 years ago
From my understanding jesus, Yeshu, Yeshuah was a devout Jew as was his bro James. In fact it was Paul who drifted from the jewish path and allowing non torah keeping people into the new faith. Jesus always said he didnt come to change the law (torah)
pietrrocks 2 years ago
@pietrrocks : He never came to change He came to fulfill it, which He did perfectly, there is a huge difference. jesus came to teach that cossing the t's and dotting the that all religions love to do is the wrong way to do things. He wants us all to love one another despite our differences as He showed us through His actions over and over agian. Yes, we all need to be less religious and more spiritual.
abbyguy 2 years ago 2
You should Simone Weil
She is a Jew who became a christian mystic and talks about the process of decreation in order to understand the true reality. However she refused to become a catholic becuase she didnt want to be part of a collectivity the same way she felt about her jewish background, hence why she struggled with the concept of anarchism which for me is the true utopia
almamaterjh 2 years ago
Faith is the surrender to reality. Transcend and include even religion. Ken reminds us that if we want to grow, contemplative practices are our best bet. This may cause us to become more humble, willing to acknowdelge and accept our imprefections and lack of control, and to want to embrace daily life. So be it. God bless you father.
CloudshadowMan1 2 years ago
Father Keating, you are a shame to the true and orthodox Catholic Church. You are no longer working for Christ and His Church. I shudder to think that you actually know for whom you are working...whenever a Christian meditates, it should ALWAYS be on Christ through contemplative prayer. This is just a bunch of truly dangerous jibberish. AND YOU KNOW IT!!!
heggiewah 2 years ago
Bunch of truly dangerous jibberish are fundamental christians. Amen.
ThePaintermanful 2 years ago
Read the book "From Zarathustra to Ken Wilber", and you'll get the point...
ThePaintermanful 2 years ago
I was in AA for some years and had a transformative experience just before I had given up hope in AA's way. I was opened up to see what would work for me and I agree with these two. I meditate and that brings up my pain and I have chosen a spiritual program to guide me through the pain. it seems to me that I need both of them equally although I resisted heavily the idea of a right way. I just found a way for me.
TheInditribe 2 years ago
spiritual and religious is "obviously" the key.
tocs6792 2 years ago
Krishina.... i'm the way and the truth...
wireless213 2 years ago
without the inconveniences of being an alcoholic....absolutely precious!!!
Thank you.
KhenpoDarma 2 years ago
Alchoholism is a great reason to enter spirituality. trancend alcoholism. It's extremely possible and inevitable.
TheInditribe 2 years ago
It's not about one religion is better than other. It's about which one is true.
5minutesofgrace 2 years ago
What if all of them are the right path. Our down fall as humans is that we feel there can only be one religion or way. In all honesty all the ways lead to the same destination which is a happy life.
sweetmary37 2 years ago
John 14:6 - Jesus said unto him, "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life; no man cometh unto the Father, but by Me."
Mark 12:32 - And the scribe said unto Him, "Well, Master, thou hast said the truth, for there is one God, and there is none other than He."
Matthew 7:13 - "Enter ye in at the strait gate, for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leadeth to destruction, and many there be who go in thereat."
5minutesofgrace 2 years ago
Too bad Jesus DIDN'T WRITE ANYTHING DOWN , also its a bummer that Christ didn't speak Greek or Latin neither did his dicsiples .But we have faith that whoever wrote it down got Jesus words verbatim...more than 100 years after his death...sweet.
sweetmary37 2 years ago 2
The spirituality is separate from the fundamentalism you describe, though.
MaBu888 2 years ago
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hungry4english 2 years ago
Even if God doesn't "exist" (as a fact), the false self that Keating talks about does. So does the destructive self-centeredness that ruins our lives and makes us unhappy. The contemplative life doesn't need God to be provable.......what it being spoken of here has a merit of its own and is worth persuing.
klokker0007 2 years ago 14
Well said.
QueerLiberation 2 years ago
@klokker0007 Could not have possibly said it better myself.
BoStevoD 1 year ago
@klokker0007 extremely well said.
sluggle 1 year ago
@klokker0007 No, but it needs that which is called God. In order to not be caught in the false self, I have to be standing on solid ground. Where is this place from which everything is seen. It must be real and it must be present at all times under all circumstances. Without this rock to stand on I would be at the mercy of everything that arrises in my mind, every thought and emotion.
claudelebel55 1 year ago
@klokker0007 It doesn't need "God", but depending on what one means by the word, it DOES need G_d, the deeper reality that is the power that looks out fo your eyes.
LooksAeterna 1 year ago
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drissc 2 years ago
I am totally amazed at this way of thinking. It all fits into the higher echelons of all the world's faiths, and when we all start doing it this way, the world will be an amazing place. Why didn't they teach this kind of stuff in Sunday school?
sailman51 2 years ago
Beautiful but fo those that say one religiong is better than other, or some are stupid, are missing the whole point.
You are being self centered and you fall in exactly the same trap that father Keating is telling us to avoid. IT doesn't bowl down on how something MAKE YOU FEEL, it is NOT ABOUT you, it is about something bigger than you. Once you understand that, you become less selfish, self centered and think that you are the "right" one...
drissc 2 years ago
i no this is going to sound idiotic , bu this guy looks like a templar... lol ma bad
kprice1990 2 years ago
lol, idiotic but funny and true.
JackMoranRain 2 years ago
To Fas6pa, Meditating in a mountain and going to church hold the same value and purpose.
poopieboy12 2 years ago
May be, but buddhists do a lot more work than christians. It's more interesting and rewarding to meditate than to just go to church, "repent", and you go to heaven.
Fas6pa 2 years ago
thanks for posting!!!!!
GBHartists 2 years ago
My personal opionion is that most organized religions overcomplicate everything. I am skeptical as soon as they start being specific about a particular subject. So I believe "God" in a fundamental way (probably not the way you see it) but I don't think that anyone can tell me anything about it in the literal sense. Religious texts do indeed offer much words of wisdom but I don't use it as a guide to life. Just my 2 cents :)
GonzoTheGreat3000 2 years ago
I completely agree with you. And I think more people are starting to lean that way in their beliefs.
raphiael 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
"There is evidence that support these claims"
...PLEASE dont make me puke. BORING Stupid jesus crap. No matter how they wrap shit it´s still SHIT! Let´s stick to reality. I speak for all intelligent beings on the planet when I say LETS NOT EVER AGAIN TALK ABOUT FOLLOWING TOPICS: spiritual, magic, mind, ghost, energy, lifeforce, god or intelligent design.
6bilidiots 2 years ago
Yes, I can see how you were chosen to be the spokesperson for all intelligent beings as evidenced by your post.
jetteyeknight 2 years ago 3
6bilidiots, The name idiot in your name is quite worthy of your room temperature IQ. Now go crawl back to your narrow dark cave and marvel in the bliss of your ignorance. You have to be intelligent to speak on behalf of intelligent people. You are nothing more than pocket change that makes a lot of noise but is worth very little. BE GONE YOU VAGRANT!!!!!
scoobydoo84 2 years ago
You know, not 3 months ago I was EXACTLY like you. I read Richard Dawkins books religiously *pun* and I viewed channels such as TheAmazingAtheist. Looking at it from the outside I've noticed how nieve and uneducated you people sound. I believe that science is a wonderful tool; I believe in evolution, abiogenesis, and the big bang. But what you don't understand is that as soon as you put up walls to new ideas, that is when you fail to use reason. I'm spiritual, but not necessarily religious.
GonzoTheGreat3000 2 years ago 3
Religions are stupid, buddhism and hindiusm makes sense. Western religions are crap, but eastern religions have a lot to offer. Spirituality can lead to inner peace. Meditating in a mountain is better than going to church.
Fas6pa 2 years ago 2
It's a misconception to think that to find God we have to go to church. God is in nature. God is in everything we do and everywhere we go. By silencing our thoughts and listening to our inner voice we can hear him.
Frogstomp121 2 years ago 3
That is why I think that God doesn't exist. God exists when people believe in him, but for only those people. I was a christian when I was young, and all the churches I went were like that.
Fas6pa 2 years ago
There are hundred of religions out there and God, who created the world and billions of souls, chose one major religion with which we could honor him? We are all products of our environment. Understanding only one religion is like holding one piece of a hundred piece puzzle, you only get an incomplete picture.
I used to be an atheist. I do not subscribe to organized religion and hate labels. I only care about what is there. But for me I am convinced because of the experiences I have had.
Frogstomp121 2 years ago 5
@Frogstomp121 The church is a building not made with human hands, so no matter what denomination or religion you belong to, if you believe in the Son you are a member of "The" church. Christ prayed for us all in every nation, and for all time, past, present and future that those who are in His hand would not be taken out.
heartuvgold 1 year ago
@Frogstomp121 --While I agree with you, sort of, I do think that because God is one there is uniformity in his mind. If all religions are good--they may contain some good-then no religion is good. For example, the principle of non-contradiciton is not present in eastern "religions," so I have great problems with their concept of God. Their concept of God is very subjective--in my mind, Dalai Lama, for example, which does not allow for an objective reality.
TheMenghi1 1 year ago
@Frogstomp121 you are used to be an atheist and now you belive in god? You found it out? congrats ;) You are so rare
itsAndrogyn 1 year ago
my "unavoidable" witness has the suspicious habit of blacking out a lot, during meditation :( *whine*
kenjifoo 2 years ago
Breathe slightly more intensely and keep your eyes more up, even if they are closed, and do a cold shower before meditating.
1PostPoMoMaN1 2 years ago
I was talking to a Protestant about Christian meditation recently. I explained that the difference between Christian meditation on the Rosary, Lectio Divina or other form, is meditation *on* something, such as the events of the life of Christ or the Scriptures. Hindu/1Buddhist meditation is meditation on *nothingness*, on emptiness. This is dangerous because it opens oneself up to all sorts of spirits. It is this sort of emptying that Keating proposes, *not* Christian meditation.
PilgrimToChrist 2 years ago
Hindu/Buddhist meditation is not meditation on nothingness, it's on pure awareness. You're speaking out of ignorance. And how is the statement "all religions are understandings of the same God" anti-christian? Are you saying Christianity is the only way to true God union and other practices are in tuned with a different, less genuine God? All religions are understandings of the same God and that includes Christianity. How does the Bible show this is not true?
aerickso123 2 years ago
"Are you saying Christianity is the only way to true God union" Absolutely!
"other practices are in tuned with a different, less genuine God?" The devil, called Lucifer or Satan, and his minions
"How does the Bible show this is not true?"
Have you read the Bible? The first commandment God calling idolaters "fornicators" and "adulterers" and demanding their death. Jesus saying, "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No man comes to the Father except by Me." Where did you get this idea?
PilgrimToChrist 2 years ago
God realization doesn't require Christianity (though it helps). There are many people that are evident of this truth. I think the first commandment is simply saying there is one God. And I think what Jesus is saying is that by not following his example you will not find God, which is very true. But I think if Jesus had met Krishna he would have said, "oh yeah and this guy too." But in Jesus' eyes there was no one teachings his teaching