@oO0E You've completely misunderstood my point. I do watch the show and I think she is by far the most interesting presenter. I was trying to say that I wish Matt would stop talking and give her a chance to speak. The comment was sarcastic but not directed against her.
@abesboy1 also from nature, except published in 1998. gotta love them numbers. oh, and by the way, the study you refer to is actually mentioned here, funny how that works. sorry to rain on your parade, have a nice day. just put the two together and you got your link
@havocman100 I read the linked article. In '98 only 7% of scientists were believers. I'd bet it's even lower now with 14 years of advancements in microbiology, genetics, physics and astronomy.
@gvman3670 I am sure it's more like 15% but that is counting the scientists that believe in any type of god. Like Einstien's prime mover or a god that started the universe but doesn't interfere. Even then in not a god.
con't from below... and believe that there MUST be an intelligent designer behind all of this , for it all works in such complex synergy thru out all disciplines of science. These 40 percent of scientists have now such complelling evidence that they all believe in GOD as "a Supreme Being who is involved in our earthy affairs and hear our prayers." 40 Percent proof; atheists. more than enough to get u drunk! U guys treat scientists as your god. well; r u going to follow ur gods or not? Thin ice.
Attention Atheists; "Experience this." u guys base ur arguements on scientific proof. FACT: An article in secular science journal,"Nature" Apr. 1997 reported a survey of 1000 scientists of all disciplines and reported that 40 percent NOW say that due to the overwhelming EVIDENCE of all disciplines, ie: biology, astronomy, math, physics..40percent of these non faith scientists admit and state (knowing they could face great persecution from within) that they NOW understand and...con't above...
@j919or I know that, that's why I said it was man made and yes I know my ideas are man made because they came from me, a man. But anyways what are trying to get at
The bible is just a book of fiction, religion is man made along with god. There is no Devine being anywhere in the cosmos, and Jesus was just a fucking man not a messiah
To claim life evolved is to demand a miracle. The simplest conceivable form of single-celled life should have at least 600 different protein molecules. The mathematical probability that even one typical protein could form by chance arrangements of amino acid sequences is essentially zero (a)—far less than 1 in 10^450. To appreciate the magnitude of 10^450, realize that the visible universe is about 10^28 inches in diameter.
@j919or You do know that abiogenesis is supposed to have happen gradually over hundreds of millions of years, and not by one giant leap of happenstance? You do know that abiogenesis is not part of the theory of Evolution (as that theory only deals with the diversity of life, not it's origin)? You do know that the "natural selection" part of the theory of Evolution is the opposite of chance? You do know that amino-acids are created as a routine experiment by undergraduates now?
@greyman000 ""abiogenesis is supposed to have happen gradually over hundreds of millions of years"
Impossible for all the parts are necessary for the cells existence. If the proteins were present theyd have dissolved quickly along with all the other pre-life parts. If one flagella formed it too would perish quickly before another would form including the DNA and many chemicals present in each cell.Even a living cell doenst last very long. How would the parts last millions of years?
@greyman000 ""is supposed to have happen gradually ''''
THis just shows that the evil people with believe whatever they are told, no matter how proposterous, while they invent lies to challenge the bible. Like Paul writing with his own hand bc forgieries were prevalent. The reason was that he said it was evidence of his chains. Col 4.18
Matt lied. Ask me if im surprised? He has already banned me from AE tubes.
Nah. U alleged contradictions so u present your alleged contradictions and state why u believe it to be a contradictions or admit that you just made another empty assertion w/o evidence..
You know coming from a belief system into agnosticism/atheism. The end game isn't as attractive. There isn't a "friend" to help you through tough times. Luck just doesn't feel the same as having a mysterious force purposefully guide you in life. But, it's still nice to know I'm not going to waste it chasing some bullshit a bunch of power hungry, dishonest, immoral asshats made up 2100 years ago
WHOA WHOA WHOA This guy has his facts messed up. So then the dead sea scrolls are not to be trusted because they weren't the "original" and the book of Isaiah in the Hebrew we have today does not use the exact same letters and words as the original? Lies! I don't believe the Bible at all now because it wasn't the "original". Hog wash! Its content has enough proof that it isn't the job of one man or group of men, anyone can clearly see the Scriptures are neatly stitched together by a Wise GOD.
@1976SOSA The Bible contradicts itself and is full of horseshit. It only seems "neatly stiched together" because it was canonized by the church. They left out the books that were inconvenient to their teachings and altered others so they would fit. They didn't do a very good job though, did they?
@phxflyguy Think of all the trees that have been destroyed by religion... so much wasted oxygen... Not only for the trees not producing it but for the idiots that read the books being able to breath ; ;
Nah dude. You have nil understanding. It is ur understanding of the bible that contradicts itself. You dont understand textual criticism and have no business spouting ur ignorance here.
Nah. You lie. None were altered. The canon was composed of book already in use in hte churches and authored by the apostles or men closely related with the apostles work. I challenge you to justify any ommitted writing as valid and any doctrine that was inconvenient.
Careful, I advise you to run like the others for u have stepped into a hornets nest and I already see that u are unprepared.
@j919or the bible supposedly teaches morals but god is seen to be immoral in it, killing people just because they made a small mistake. and if god really does exist, why doesnt he show himself and do the same now?
@j919or If you want to embarass me, go ahead. But I must warn you that the only way you will is to PROVE your god exists and/or that the Bible is actually factual and correct. And at these things you are sure to fail. Guaranteed.
@j919or Are you fuckin' kidding? Show you, in this tiny box, the fasehoods, and inconsistencies in your Bible? Can't you read? Or haven't you turned your massive intellect towards actually paying attention to what your Bible says.
There are over 400000 inconsistencies between the thousands of manuscripts available around the world. There are more inconsistencies than there are words in the New Testament. They didn't have Xerox back then......understand?
@gvman3670 My sad friend who desires"proof and Links," where are such for your astronomical claim, or did u not READ the Bible ur self and understand that it was written by Jews who were taught by God to be soooo meticulous when they transcribe His sacred Word that if one single error of even a punctuation mark be found on any completed page, the page is to be destroyed and redone. Do u not understand that MY God who can speak the planets into being, can He also not make sure His Bible stands?
@abesboy1 No, the Bible is NOT accurate and we have not a single original or signed copy. The scribes made tons of mistakes. Tons. This is why there are so many discrepancies in the thousands of manuscripts we have. Scribes were tired, undereducated, sloppy and, apparently, at times didn't care. Honestly, most of them really don't matter a whole lot, they're just accidental errors. But there are some BIG mistakes and known forgeries. You should do your homework so I don't have to.
@abesboy1 And the simple fact that your god used texts in dying languages, which are easily mistranslated and forged, shows how inept he is and proves he isn't omniscient or omnipotent. If it really wanted to convey it's important messages to it's creations it would do it in a much better way that can't be misconstrued or not accepted as fact. The texts alone are THE nail in the coffin for Christianity.
BTW, I've probably read it more than you have. I'd put money on it.
@abesboy1 There are lectures on video right here on YT given by biblical scholars. Christian scholars in fact. Check them out so you don't have to be bothered with reading something besides your Bible. LMAO
@abesboy1 Your Bible is not only full of transcription and translation errors, it is full of bunk science, wrong history, and a horrific moral system. Your so-called "God" can barely speak a true word into being on purpose, and can barely make sure one single book of his Bible stands against any verifiable and supportable form of truth and justice.
@phxflyguy I have always found it funny that believers do not know #1: Nobody knows who wrote the scrolls that would become the Bible. they were a collection of myths from annonymous authors and #2: The scrolls that became the Bible were VOTED on, and many of them were voted out.
ancient people had good reason to think the earth was circular (but still possibly flat) due to the shadow cast on the moon. This is how early scientists deduced a circular earth. Also the fact that ships approaching from the horizon would be visible from the top of the mast first and hull would be the last to appear. But the spherical nature of the earth was deduced once evidence from around the globe showed the same result. Circle from any angle = sphere.
God left it to a book to reveal his important message?? That's like leaving a note on the refrigerator door, because you're too much of a coward to tell someone face to face!
@Lennon4ever1 Worse than that lol. It's like leaving a really incoherent note on the fridge demanding everyone to do certain things without a good reason.
@StaceyC123 the literal translation is sphere, And they did I already pointed it out to you Khug is circle/sphere it goes both ways, Dur is ball/sphere again it goes both ways so be ignorant if ya want too I don't give a shit wait hey here's one for ya tell me what puta means
Not according to the Hebrew dictionary, idiot; if they had MEANT "sphere", they would have USED the word for "sphere", so your obfuscations don't hold water.
No it isn't, they have two distinct words for "circle" ("chug") and "sphere" ("dur"), so the fact the used the first shows that they didn't KNOW that the earth was a sphere.
ANy type of anthropomorphisms are strictly for our own sake and for the understandings of simple minds. God is spirit and God is entirely transcendent of time and space. He is not a man although he did form us in his image, meaning creativity and reason potential
@j919or Cute how creationists like to take my examples litterally. They feel like if they point out the obvious flaws of "man with a white beard" or "red man with a tail and pitchfork", it somehow invalidates my point.
Did he form us to scale? does he have a penis or a vagina? Does he also have this incompetent design of the eyes where there are blind spots on each eye that limits seeing accurately?
Or did bronzeage men form god in their own image, being to low on actual knowledge to be able to tell the difference?
No, Dumbo! The animals and man are alike in physical ways but were different in that man had the image of God. Animals have vaginas and penises so it couldnt be the physical part that was the image but rather the difference between us and animals which is reason and creativity which comes from the living soul, which God put into man specially.
@j919or apes have reason and creativity. You however seem not to have it. Maybe you among all men are descendant of a snail?! Just considering the possibility...
WHo cares if he exists? He is not almighty and all knowing, so keep him to urself. He is not creator of all and transcedent but just a PART of the universe so why should anyone else care? Now if you speak of the infinite God that is another matter. Remember Dummy, there is one God and many teachings about God. You dont even claim that ur T-rex is God, so it doesnt even qualify for consideration.
@j919or My T-Rex is in fact all-knowing and all-seeing. He transcends time, space and Human understanding. He is the first-born of all creation, and he creates nebulas with one single swipe of his tail.
Ahem, apparently the act of making my claims more crazy makes them more true - by your logic - , so there you go.
@j919or No, see, I can see him. He's a T-Rex just like any other. Except he's divine. And again, you can't disprove him, just like I can't disprove your God, therefore, he exists.
By your logic, anyway.
It's amazing how you creationists absolutely, flat-out FAIL to see the parallels when they're drawn out for you. Santa is silly, my T-Rex is silly, but no, "God is totally real". It'd be hilarious if it weren't so very disturbing.
1. You were the only one making this claim and you quickly admitted that you lied.
2. Apples and oranges bc there is evidence for intelligent design. Raw energy destroys and only energy harnessed by a machine and information produces other machines and other information.
3. Santa was also never claimed to be the Designer . ALso the toys part was never claimed to be non fiction. Apples and oranges again.
@j919or Haha. See that right there is glaring evidence of total and hopeless brainwashing. I draw a parallel, and instead of seeing it for what it is, you see it as the Devil.
This is why your beliefs are not only completely and totally irrational, but also incredibly dangerous.
@j919or The statement raw energy destroyer is not a true. If you are making this statement as fact, you will have to provide some proof for this statement. The atomic theory is a example of energy creating more order. Fission creates helium from hydrogen or new information. Sun light passing through earth atmosphere creates ozone an increase in order. Energy creates new order not only destroyer. You have no understanding of physics. That must mean by your standards you are the devil.
@yeudh Nah. New information is not increased information. Mere change will produce new information but not more information. Drop letters from a word and u will get a NEW word, there a decrease in info produced NEW info. And the ozone exists already. Sunlight doesnt make the ozone increase in order or become more complex.
@j919or You can not make a statement that this is not new information unless you have support from physics. If you are making a new proposal that this is not new information they you will have to provide what your proof is Why you are in opposition of the present theory that information is not distorted not even in a black hole. A change of structure is new information. Ozone is created form o2 when it interacts with sun light. You must have no education in the sciences.
@j919or rofl. Ozone is created in the upper atmosphere when O2 is disassociated by energetic ultraviolet light, and the individual free oxygen atoms join with O2 to form O3 (Ozone). Ozone also falls apart when encountering other Ozone molecules giving the whole process some balance.
Man-introduced chemicals like Cloro-Carbons increases the rate of ozone-dissasociaton causing a decrease on the ozone levels. Thats why it has been banned.
@MagnusNyborg Right but the ozone doesnt not increase in complexity it just increases in span, ie. grows. Obviously God created the ozone for without it we burn to a crisp. None of these examples negate the principle that complexity doesnt increase without a machine or the direct intervention of God the ultimate machine. Raw energy causes decay not complexity
@MagnusNyborg Can u even hear urself? U dont know that they young earth had no ozone. Is there any way to determine if your claim is true or are you just delusional?
@MagnusNyborg It depends on which scientist that you ask. Check it: Most of the world is anti god and pro-establishment and conform their thinking to fit the world's philosophy called naturalism that eliminates God as a premise. And therefore MOST scientists are apt to give a naturalistic conclusion.
Obviously u have also bought into the let-the-experts-do-my-thinking mindset/ go with the flow/ peer pressure.
@j919or well, the ozone layer is easily explained by physics and chemistry, without invoking a god, and can be demonstrated in laboratory controlled conditions.
So what evidence for (any) god to exist do you have? And if you dont have evidence, how can we test if you are delusional or not?
And if there is not way to determine whether you are delusional or not...
@MagnusNyborg I have often wondered if the word "god" has been tossed around just because people dont have the intellect to be able to read science text books and understand the big words. I mean "god" only has three letters...
@Xellith perhaps, for some that seems very plausible.
"Everyone have some belief that prevents the sky from falling on their heads". Some try to understand how the world works, and some rather make shit up that is easy to 'understand' but does not align with reality.
IF a god exists afterall, he/she/it would be divine and perfect, and nothing like what the religions claim. The problem is not with god per see, the problem is with the believers...
@j919or - Science and naturalism eliminate god as a conclusion not because of some sort of bias, but because you cannot naturally or scientifically test for a god. Do you honestly think that a theistic scientist investigating anything would be capable of concluding that the answer to their inquiry is "a god did it". The closest thing that could be found would be "This test is inconclusive" which is NOT evidence for anything, least of all a god.
'I will not accept creation philosophically. because I do not want to believe in God. Therefor, I choose to believe in that which I know is scientifically impossible, spontaneous generation arising to evolution.' George Wald Nobel prize winner Biochemical Science an inquiry into life. _
If I claimed to anyone that I can run faster than Usain Bolt im sure they would say 'prove it', yet if I say the universe was created by a man with a white beard they say 'ok' mmmm strange that
@dotson214 That's not actually true, Isaiah 40:22, states 'the circle of the earth' not a sphere, a circle is a flat object, some modern translations use 'Sphere' to make the text sound profound.
This suggests that time must also be inifnite or that the creator of time and space is inifnite, and if inifnite, then infinitely good since infinitey can have no malfunction. And if there is malfunction it is only an illusion, an actually part of an inifnitely great program
It suggests no such thing; have you figured out yet which version of the "ten commandments" are supposed to apply only to the jews, and which are supposed to apply to everyone, and why, or are you happy just pulling nonsense out of your ass to try to explain the nonsense in your cult?
@StaceyC123 ""ten commandments" are supposed to apply only to the jews""
They all apply directly to Jews. But that doesnt mean that the opposite of those commands apply to anyone else. The NT repeats commands to love God and neighbor but stresses that the Holy sPIRIT within believers will enable fulfillment of those commands
And you claim to know this HOW, exactly? If your imaginary "god" thought that these assorted "commandments" were important enough to order the jews to obey them, how is it that the rest of us can ignore them?
@StaceyC123 "" important enough to order the jews to obey them""
The commands dont work because man is evil. The commands had a purpose and that was to be both a retraint to evil and to lead people to admit that they are evil and entrust themselves to God for change.
You still haven't explained why your imaginary "god" expects Jews to obey ALL of the "commandments", but the rest of us NOT to, OR the fact that the first and second sets of these "commandments don't even AGREE with each other; if "Moses" didn't have his shit together well enough to actually REMEMBER the proper "commandments", why should anyone with any sense believe the rest of this fairy tale?
@j919or you actually do seem evil, perhaps for the good of mankind it is best that you dont run around thinking for yourself but follow a badly written book.
@j919or Do you really think that something capable of being "infinite" can possibly be confined by your infinitely inferior and incredibly subjective Human idea of "good" or "bad"?
Since humans stepped out of the caves, we were constantly expanding our circle of love to include more people. We now reject genocide, racism, incest, etc; things that were common centuries ago. We are in a crucial point in our development. Becoming completely spiritual by rejecting all evil is the next step. Atheism rejects Jesus, which represents 100% love, as a role model,which is a step back for consciousness. The time has come to raise our consciousness to the next level, is now or never.
The Bible is true. If you go to the edge of the earth and look over the side you can see the turtle that carries us on its back. The turtle is held up by a flying pasta monster riding a unicorn.
What did god call the first Neanderthal? Arnold perhaps? What about Arnold's wife? What was her name? Why did god kill them off? Were they not also gods children? They buried their dead just as the judeo-christian god must have told them to. The bible does not mention this because they were not known by the superstitious, genocidal, illiterate tribal thugs who orally passed on the word of god that later became the holy book of shit.
Where dose the bibel say that the earth is the center of the universe? I belive the only thing these people, who you say said it, proved was the fact that there is just as many idios among christian peopel as among other people.
@bergehalvard actually since space is infinite every point could be seen as a center; the ignorance to how the bible was written' "not all it but most" doesn’t get to the points which good philosophical statements do' so people will likely always argue over things which either don’t exist or are too simple to realize' but often difficult to explain in words' Illiteracy has a great deal to do with the placement to context to any supposition' questioning what’s it all about anyway?
I can confidently say that Christian apologists have successfully refuted Dr. Ehrman's work. Like how there were competing views of Jesus: the only sources that offered these "competing views" were written well over 100 years after Jesus' death. If there were any competing views regarding Jesus within the 1st century, they were held by an insignificant minority of Christians.
@Murdulo And if they do prove god, they also prove that elves exist, and an ancient city of Gondor was besieged by orcs, and a deity-like being known as Tom Bombadill lived in the forest in the Shire.
And there is a Cat that has a Hat and can take stains out of tubs and clothes and tubs.
And that a farmboy got his hand cut off by his dad, and made out with his sister and later witnessed his father kill his nemesis.
The Bible uses extraordinary language to describe the Earth. We use such metaphors today, such as "The Sun sets" or "The four corners of the Earth". As we aren't implying that the sun can actually set or that the Earth is a square, nor should we say that the Bible is.
Not so. St. Augustine, on the 4th century, in his comentary on Gensis 1, said that the "days" needn't be taken literally, nor the creation need be a few thousand years ago. He even suggested that the Universe wasn't created in random acts of creation, but certain features of it were revealed in certain potencies over time. According to this man, Evolution and the Big Bang were completely possible, 1,500 years before Charles Darwin and Edwin Hubble.
@THEEVANTHETOON Isn't that convenient to reinterpret Bronze Age myths to make them fit our modern understanding. If the Bible was divinely inspired, then,the all knowing god could make sure he actually clearly stated and explain everything. Instead, we have stuff like now when you're trying to credit the biblical accounts by claiming that authors really meant something else. I'm sure you'll find was to keep reinterpret it as our knowledge continue to grow, and claim "see the bible explain it
And there's no evidence for this view (that Paul's writings were forged). Atheists are funny: they reject Christianity because there's "no evidence", which is not only false, but they are perfectly fine believing these absurd theories like the Swoon theory, the Hallucination theory, this theory, etc.
@THEEVANTHETOON: You can claim anything is real if the only basis for believing it is that nobody's proved it doesn't exist. Just like your 100% imaginary god.
In short, there is no reason to believe that 1) Jesus never existed, or 2) nothing happened on the first Easter Sunday. Those who do do so on philosophical, not historical, grounds.
...A common objection now is "The Gospel accounts of the Resurrection are so contradicting". 1) They are not. They merely record different details, which one would expect in multiple eyewitness accounts. 2) Even if they did contradict, that would in no way affect the historicity of the Resurrection. This objection falsely assumes that only inerrant sources can accurately record history. The problem is almost no historical document is completely inerrant. In fact, it is a historians job to...
"A common objection now is "The Gospel accounts of the Resurrection are so contradicting". 1) They are not. They merely record different details, which one would expect in multiple eyewitness accounts."
You mean like Mark claiming that this cult leader was executed on Passover day, at 9, and John claiming that he was executed the day BEFORE passover, at noon? When these stories can't even keep these aspects of the fable straight, why should anyone believe them?
Simple mistranslation for the word means "Preparation day" and relates to the context of prep for the sabbath that he needed to be crucified and buried before the sabbath started.
That's not what your fairy tales claim, and you know it; they further break Jewish burial law in claiming that WOMEN went to "anoint" a dead male body that had already been placed in a tomb, which is forbidden on two accounts.
Ask the Jews themselves, if you don't believe me; females are forbidden from handling dead male bodies (and vice-versa) and ALL Jews are forbidden from handling a dead body after it has been buried or placed in a tomb. Since these characters were Jewish, your fairy tales contradict themselves yet again.
The Jews themselves say that this has always been a part of their burial laws (because, just like most other cults, they have a number of sexual hang-ups), and if there's anything that cults have a hard time changing, it's their rituals. The people that founded your cult are claimed to have all been observant Jews, so have you got any evidence to show that they WEREN'T?
@StaceyC123 Translation: these laws are not in the law and werent in use at the time of Jesus and so you now you are reduced to ask me to assume your burden of proof.
...2) His tomb was found empty, and 3) people reported seeing Him after His death. There are many reasons to believe these facts, but, due to lack of space, I will not conver them here. The only thing scholars differ on is the best explanation of these facts. However, there is no naturalistic explanation of these facts. To quote N.T. Wright: "As a historian, I cannot explain the rise of early Christianity unless Jesus rose again, leaving an empty tomb behind him.”
...who never existed. Most scholars believe that early Christian preaching started in Jerusalem in the 30's. Why would the disciples preach that a man had been crucified in Jerusalem within months of His death if He never existed?
F.F. Bruce says it best "It's not historians who propagate the Christ Myth theories".
As for the extraordinary claims:
There are 3 facts which virtually every biblical scholar, including the secular ones, agree upon: 1) Jesus was crucified, died, and buried...
...conquerors conquest of the Anglo-Saxons could easily have been greatly exagerrated. Lastly, the first mention we have of Jesus dates within 5 years of His life (1 Corinthians 15:3-5 was a pre-Pauline Chrsitian creed that scholars place within 5 years of Jesus death, some within 18 months). Furthermore, Mark's source material is very early, within years, even months of Christ's life. This is certainly not enough time for a legend to develop, much less to create an entire tale about a man...
...Second, this objection falsely assumes that only contemporary sources can accurately record history. Look at our school's history textbooks: few question their accuracy even though they are written 100's of years after the events they describe. Lastly, there are many historical figures and events that we take for granted that aren't contemporary. There are no contemporary mentions of Alexander the Great, nor are there any of Genghis Kahn, Attila the Hun, etc. Similarly, William the...
Virtually no biblical scholars question the existence of Jesus. Even the radical "Jesus Seminar" leaves no doubt that the Gospels were based off of a real person. Furthermore, Jesus is mentioned by a number of ancient sources, including Josephus (in 2 places), Tacitus, Lucian, Suetonius, Mara Bar-Serapion, the Jewish Talmud, etc. A common objection here is "None of those are contemporary". First off, this may not be true; a passage in the Talmud regarding Jesus may be contemporary...
...historians and scholarship give us little reason to hold this view. In short: if we can attribute "The Iliad" and "The Odyssey" to Homer, a half-mythical man, then we can attribute the authors of the books of the Bibles are who they say they are.
...never attribute anything extraordinary to him. Surely, if the Church were trying to win converts, it would attribute the Gospels to more famous disciples, such as Paul and Peter, yet it attributes these works to rather ordinary men. As with the Epistles, while a few have questioned the authorship of the Pastoral letters, there is little reason to believe these claims. With the OT, there's the "Documentary Theory" which attributes the Torah to 4+ different writers. However, modern...
This guy is a moron. He should take a biblical history class. Ignorance leads to atheism.
dex1391 5 days ago
I guess Tracie's there to make the coffee.
mikelheron20 3 weeks ago
@mikelheron20 What a stupid comment.
Maybe if you'd actually watch the show, you'd see she makes some of the most poignant, brilliant, well thought out points from anyone on the show.
oO0E 3 weeks ago
@oO0E You've completely misunderstood my point. I do watch the show and I think she is by far the most interesting presenter. I was trying to say that I wish Matt would stop talking and give her a chance to speak. The comment was sarcastic but not directed against her.
mikelheron20 3 weeks ago
@mikelheron20 What's wrong with making the coffee? Are you saying that persons who make the coffee are somehow inferior to those who don't?
acr08807 1 week ago
misquoting jesus is an awesome book!
donutsndingleberries 1 month ago
A scientific interpretation of the bible, is like an astronomer interpreting star trek.
VanessaTexasGal 1 month ago 5
@VanessaTexasGal
you clearly have never felt the power of Q
or been to the continuum
sabin97 1 month ago
@sabin97 and I guarantee neither have you felt any such thing or been to any such place except in your own imagination
aussiesam01 1 month ago
@aussiesam01
humor is wasted on some people :(
sabin97 1 month ago
@sabin97 if only I had a dollar for every time I've heard that :)
aussiesam01 1 month ago
"Forgive them Father, for they know not what they do (or say)."
abesboy1 1 month ago
@abesboy1 also from nature, except published in 1998. gotta love them numbers. oh, and by the way, the study you refer to is actually mentioned here, funny how that works. sorry to rain on your parade, have a nice day. just put the two together and you got your link
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havocman100 2 months ago
@havocman100 I read the linked article. In '98 only 7% of scientists were believers. I'd bet it's even lower now with 14 years of advancements in microbiology, genetics, physics and astronomy.
gvman3670 2 months ago
@gvman3670 most definitely
havocman100 2 months ago
@gvman3670 I am sure it's more like 15% but that is counting the scientists that believe in any type of god. Like Einstien's prime mover or a god that started the universe but doesn't interfere. Even then in not a god.
MrSqurk 1 month ago
con't from below... and believe that there MUST be an intelligent designer behind all of this , for it all works in such complex synergy thru out all disciplines of science. These 40 percent of scientists have now such complelling evidence that they all believe in GOD as "a Supreme Being who is involved in our earthy affairs and hear our prayers." 40 Percent proof; atheists. more than enough to get u drunk! U guys treat scientists as your god. well; r u going to follow ur gods or not? Thin ice.
abesboy1 2 months ago
Attention Atheists; "Experience this." u guys base ur arguements on scientific proof. FACT: An article in secular science journal,"Nature" Apr. 1997 reported a survey of 1000 scientists of all disciplines and reported that 40 percent NOW say that due to the overwhelming EVIDENCE of all disciplines, ie: biology, astronomy, math, physics..40percent of these non faith scientists admit and state (knowing they could face great persecution from within) that they NOW understand and...con't above...
abesboy1 2 months ago
@abesboy1 Links or you're just another lying theist. You guys are sickening.
gvman3670 2 months ago
Don't feed the trolls. They thrive on attention.
TheCraich 2 months ago
Ezekial 26 and Daniel 9. 24-7 were completely fulfilled in history in detail, 100s of years after their writing.
j919or 2 months ago
@j919or I know that, that's why I said it was man made and yes I know my ideas are man made because they came from me, a man. But anyways what are trying to get at
dotson214 2 months ago
The bible is just a book of fiction, religion is man made along with god. There is no Devine being anywhere in the cosmos, and Jesus was just a fucking man not a messiah
dotson214 2 months ago
@dotson214 ""religion is man made ""
All of your ideas including this one, are man made.
j919or 2 months ago
@j919or Let me know when you find any proof that ANY religion was not just made up.
xPureEx 2 months ago
change over time is a FACT. get over it.
dkthg 2 months ago
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@dkthg ""change over time is a FACT""
No one denies this. Decay is change over time and decay is fact.
j919or 2 months ago
To claim life evolved is to demand a miracle. The simplest conceivable form of single-celled life should have at least 600 different protein molecules. The mathematical probability that even one typical protein could form by chance arrangements of amino acid sequences is essentially zero (a)—far less than 1 in 10^450. To appreciate the magnitude of 10^450, realize that the visible universe is about 10^28 inches in diameter.
j919or 2 months ago
@j919or You do know that abiogenesis is supposed to have happen gradually over hundreds of millions of years, and not by one giant leap of happenstance? You do know that abiogenesis is not part of the theory of Evolution (as that theory only deals with the diversity of life, not it's origin)? You do know that the "natural selection" part of the theory of Evolution is the opposite of chance? You do know that amino-acids are created as a routine experiment by undergraduates now?
greyman000 2 months ago
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@greyman000 ""abiogenesis is supposed to have happen gradually over hundreds of millions of years"
Impossible for all the parts are necessary for the cells existence. If the proteins were present theyd have dissolved quickly along with all the other pre-life parts. If one flagella formed it too would perish quickly before another would form including the DNA and many chemicals present in each cell.Even a living cell doenst last very long. How would the parts last millions of years?
j919or 2 months ago
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@greyman000 ""is supposed to have happen gradually ''''
THis just shows that the evil people with believe whatever they are told, no matter how proposterous, while they invent lies to challenge the bible. Like Paul writing with his own hand bc forgieries were prevalent. The reason was that he said it was evidence of his chains. Col 4.18
Matt lied. Ask me if im surprised? He has already banned me from AE tubes.
j919or 2 months ago
@j919or To claim that life evolving is to demand a miracle is to display ignorance of evolution and the definition of the word miracle.
KOICrowz 2 months ago
Nah. U alleged contradictions so u present your alleged contradictions and state why u believe it to be a contradictions or admit that you just made another empty assertion w/o evidence..
j919or 2 months ago
You know coming from a belief system into agnosticism/atheism. The end game isn't as attractive. There isn't a "friend" to help you through tough times. Luck just doesn't feel the same as having a mysterious force purposefully guide you in life. But, it's still nice to know I'm not going to waste it chasing some bullshit a bunch of power hungry, dishonest, immoral asshats made up 2100 years ago
Sethermieseter 2 months ago
WHOA WHOA WHOA This guy has his facts messed up. So then the dead sea scrolls are not to be trusted because they weren't the "original" and the book of Isaiah in the Hebrew we have today does not use the exact same letters and words as the original? Lies! I don't believe the Bible at all now because it wasn't the "original". Hog wash! Its content has enough proof that it isn't the job of one man or group of men, anyone can clearly see the Scriptures are neatly stitched together by a Wise GOD.
1976SOSA 3 months ago
@1976SOSA Yeah that's why the world knows that a god exists..not.
hanspeterpitsch 2 months ago
@hanspeterpitsch We will never eliminate mental illness, unfortunately.
RamoneHoffman 2 months ago
@1976SOSA The Bible contradicts itself and is full of horseshit. It only seems "neatly stiched together" because it was canonized by the church. They left out the books that were inconvenient to their teachings and altered others so they would fit. They didn't do a very good job though, did they?
phxflyguy 2 months ago 16
@phxflyguy Think of all the trees that have been destroyed by religion... so much wasted oxygen... Not only for the trees not producing it but for the idiots that read the books being able to breath ; ;
Xellith 2 months ago
@phxflyguy ""Bible contradicts itself ""
Nah dude. You have nil understanding. It is ur understanding of the bible that contradicts itself. You dont understand textual criticism and have no business spouting ur ignorance here.
j919or 2 months ago
@j919or Prove me wrong.
phxflyguy 2 months ago
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@phxflyguy "altered others so they would fit. ""
Nah. You lie. None were altered. The canon was composed of book already in use in hte churches and authored by the apostles or men closely related with the apostles work. I challenge you to justify any ommitted writing as valid and any doctrine that was inconvenient.
Careful, I advise you to run like the others for u have stepped into a hornets nest and I already see that u are unprepared.
j919or 2 months ago
@phxflyguy ''''Bible contradicts itself'''''
Another drive by allegation/bald assertion by the lying atheists. Lets see if this worm returns to the scene of the crime to support his absurdities.
If any of you other liars would like to help in the meantime, feel free to be embarrassed.
j919or 2 months ago
@j919or the bible supposedly teaches morals but god is seen to be immoral in it, killing people just because they made a small mistake. and if god really does exist, why doesnt he show himself and do the same now?
XTrevvion 2 months ago
@j919or If you want to embarass me, go ahead. But I must warn you that the only way you will is to PROVE your god exists and/or that the Bible is actually factual and correct. And at these things you are sure to fail. Guaranteed.
gvman3670 2 months ago
@gvman3670 Answer the challenges or admit that you cant. I cant prove God to one that is insane, so u use the insanity defense.
j919or 2 months ago
@j919or Are you fuckin' kidding? Show you, in this tiny box, the fasehoods, and inconsistencies in your Bible? Can't you read? Or haven't you turned your massive intellect towards actually paying attention to what your Bible says.
There are over 400000 inconsistencies between the thousands of manuscripts available around the world. There are more inconsistencies than there are words in the New Testament. They didn't have Xerox back then......understand?
gvman3670 2 months ago
@gvman3670 My sad friend who desires"proof and Links," where are such for your astronomical claim, or did u not READ the Bible ur self and understand that it was written by Jews who were taught by God to be soooo meticulous when they transcribe His sacred Word that if one single error of even a punctuation mark be found on any completed page, the page is to be destroyed and redone. Do u not understand that MY God who can speak the planets into being, can He also not make sure His Bible stands?
abesboy1 2 months ago
@abesboy1 No, the Bible is NOT accurate and we have not a single original or signed copy. The scribes made tons of mistakes. Tons. This is why there are so many discrepancies in the thousands of manuscripts we have. Scribes were tired, undereducated, sloppy and, apparently, at times didn't care. Honestly, most of them really don't matter a whole lot, they're just accidental errors. But there are some BIG mistakes and known forgeries. You should do your homework so I don't have to.
gvman3670 2 months ago
@abesboy1 And the simple fact that your god used texts in dying languages, which are easily mistranslated and forged, shows how inept he is and proves he isn't omniscient or omnipotent. If it really wanted to convey it's important messages to it's creations it would do it in a much better way that can't be misconstrued or not accepted as fact. The texts alone are THE nail in the coffin for Christianity.
BTW, I've probably read it more than you have. I'd put money on it.
gvman3670 2 months ago
@abesboy1 There are lectures on video right here on YT given by biblical scholars. Christian scholars in fact. Check them out so you don't have to be bothered with reading something besides your Bible. LMAO
gvman3670 2 months ago
@abesboy1 Your Bible is not only full of transcription and translation errors, it is full of bunk science, wrong history, and a horrific moral system. Your so-called "God" can barely speak a true word into being on purpose, and can barely make sure one single book of his Bible stands against any verifiable and supportable form of truth and justice.
YaleBreaker 1 month ago
@phxflyguy I have always found it funny that believers do not know #1: Nobody knows who wrote the scrolls that would become the Bible. they were a collection of myths from annonymous authors and #2: The scrolls that became the Bible were VOTED on, and many of them were voted out.
TheThunderduck 4 weeks ago
@1976SOSA ...only if the biblical god is an immoral incompetent powerhungry asshat, with insecurity complex.
Or more reasonably: The believers in that god fail to think for themselves.
MagnusNyborg 2 months ago
@MagnusNyborg Nah mag ur just projecting ur own evil onto everything. Face up to it. Ur evil.
j919or 2 months ago
Matt needs to let Tracie speak.
aardvarkcustard 3 months ago
Can someone tell me what's the name of that song at the beginning?!
Please and thank you!
honeyblossom17 3 months ago
@honeyblossom17 Blasphemous Rumours by Depeche Mode
Fredwardina 3 months ago
@Fredwardina- Thank you!
honeyblossom17 3 months ago
ancient people had good reason to think the earth was circular (but still possibly flat) due to the shadow cast on the moon. This is how early scientists deduced a circular earth. Also the fact that ships approaching from the horizon would be visible from the top of the mast first and hull would be the last to appear. But the spherical nature of the earth was deduced once evidence from around the globe showed the same result. Circle from any angle = sphere.
makarr01 3 months ago
God left it to a book to reveal his important message?? That's like leaving a note on the refrigerator door, because you're too much of a coward to tell someone face to face!
Lennon4ever1 3 months ago
@Lennon4ever1 Worse than that lol. It's like leaving a really incoherent note on the fridge demanding everyone to do certain things without a good reason.
lasoogneypubes 3 months ago
archeology shows real areas and cities that were in the odyssey, but that doesnt mean zeus, giants or medusa are real
420simpson 3 months ago
@420simpson Good call.
westside1love 3 months ago
apes have survival instincts. they can figure out how to catch a bug.
j919or 4 months ago
@StaceyC123 the literal translation is sphere, And they did I already pointed it out to you Khug is circle/sphere it goes both ways, Dur is ball/sphere again it goes both ways so be ignorant if ya want too I don't give a shit wait hey here's one for ya tell me what puta means
dotson214 4 months ago
@StaceyC123 you are way off wit that one, the literal translation of Khug is sphere, and Dur is ball you idiot, two words both sphere
dotson214 4 months ago
@dotson214
Not according to the Hebrew dictionary, idiot; if they had MEANT "sphere", they would have USED the word for "sphere", so your obfuscations don't hold water.
StaceyC123 4 months ago
@ianjrivers, the Hebrew word for circle is also used as shpere but scratch that here's more proof you tell me what Luke 17:34-36 says
dotson214 4 months ago
@dotson214
No it isn't, they have two distinct words for "circle" ("chug") and "sphere" ("dur"), so the fact the used the first shows that they didn't KNOW that the earth was a sphere.
StaceyC123 4 months ago
@SeedsOfHatred ""man with a white beard ""
ANy type of anthropomorphisms are strictly for our own sake and for the understandings of simple minds. God is spirit and God is entirely transcendent of time and space. He is not a man although he did form us in his image, meaning creativity and reason potential
j919or 4 months ago
@j919or Cute how creationists like to take my examples litterally. They feel like if they point out the obvious flaws of "man with a white beard" or "red man with a tail and pitchfork", it somehow invalidates my point.
It doesn't.
SeedsOfHatred 4 months ago
@j919or "...he did form us in his image.."
Did he form us to scale? does he have a penis or a vagina? Does he also have this incompetent design of the eyes where there are blind spots on each eye that limits seeing accurately?
Or did bronzeage men form god in their own image, being to low on actual knowledge to be able to tell the difference?
MagnusNyborg 4 months ago
@MagnusNyborg ""Did he form us to scale?""
No, Dumbo! The animals and man are alike in physical ways but were different in that man had the image of God. Animals have vaginas and penises so it couldnt be the physical part that was the image but rather the difference between us and animals which is reason and creativity which comes from the living soul, which God put into man specially.
j919or 4 months ago
@j919or apes have reason and creativity. You however seem not to have it. Maybe you among all men are descendant of a snail?! Just considering the possibility...
MagnusNyborg 4 months ago
I have a T-Rex as a friend. Except he's invisible and only I can see him.
You cannot prove he isn't actually there.
Therefore, he exists.
Me: 1
You: 0
SeedsOfHatred 4 months ago 3
@SeedsOfHatred That's nothing. I created the universe. You cannot prove that I didn't. Therefore, I did.
Bahamut2218 4 months ago
@Bahamut2218 ...Well played, worthy adversary.
I'll be sacrificing a goat to you soon.
SeedsOfHatred 4 months ago
""Therefore, he exists""
Nah, you just started with that idea. It isnt shared by others and a T-rex is visible. Every T-rex skeleton at least has been visible.
God is the transcedent creator and is experienced by many. Seek and ye shall find, mock and further delude urself
j919or 4 months ago
@j919or My T-Rex is invisible. He requires no proof such as your silly skelletons. He has simply always been. And I experience him every single day.
Therefore, he exists. If you can offer no proof that he doesn't, then you are simply deluded to not believe in him.
Me: 2
You: 0
SeedsOfHatred 4 months ago
@SeedsOfHatred ""And I experience him every single day.
Therefore, he exists.""
WHo cares if he exists? He is not almighty and all knowing, so keep him to urself. He is not creator of all and transcedent but just a PART of the universe so why should anyone else care? Now if you speak of the infinite God that is another matter. Remember Dummy, there is one God and many teachings about God. You dont even claim that ur T-rex is God, so it doesnt even qualify for consideration.
j919or 4 months ago
@j919or My T-Rex is in fact all-knowing and all-seeing. He transcends time, space and Human understanding. He is the first-born of all creation, and he creates nebulas with one single swipe of his tail.
Ahem, apparently the act of making my claims more crazy makes them more true - by your logic - , so there you go.
Me: 3
You: 0
SeedsOfHatred 4 months ago
@SeedsOfHatred ""My T-Rex is in fact all-knowing""
You mean the creator. God has many names. HOw did u arrive at that name? Are you alone is believing that his name is t-rex?
j919or 4 months ago
@j919or No, see, I can see him. He's a T-Rex just like any other. Except he's divine. And again, you can't disprove him, just like I can't disprove your God, therefore, he exists.
By your logic, anyway.
It's amazing how you creationists absolutely, flat-out FAIL to see the parallels when they're drawn out for you. Santa is silly, my T-Rex is silly, but no, "God is totally real". It'd be hilarious if it weren't so very disturbing.
SeedsOfHatred 4 months ago
@SeedsOfHatred "" see, I can see him""
1. You were the only one making this claim and you quickly admitted that you lied.
2. Apples and oranges bc there is evidence for intelligent design. Raw energy destroys and only energy harnessed by a machine and information produces other machines and other information.
3. Santa was also never claimed to be the Designer . ALso the toys part was never claimed to be non fiction. Apples and oranges again.
4. You have proven that you are of the devil
j919or 4 months ago
@j919or Haha. See that right there is glaring evidence of total and hopeless brainwashing. I draw a parallel, and instead of seeing it for what it is, you see it as the Devil.
This is why your beliefs are not only completely and totally irrational, but also incredibly dangerous.
SeedsOfHatred 4 months ago
@j919or The statement raw energy destroyer is not a true. If you are making this statement as fact, you will have to provide some proof for this statement. The atomic theory is a example of energy creating more order. Fission creates helium from hydrogen or new information. Sun light passing through earth atmosphere creates ozone an increase in order. Energy creates new order not only destroyer. You have no understanding of physics. That must mean by your standards you are the devil.
yeudh 3 months ago
@yeudh Nah. New information is not increased information. Mere change will produce new information but not more information. Drop letters from a word and u will get a NEW word, there a decrease in info produced NEW info. And the ozone exists already. Sunlight doesnt make the ozone increase in order or become more complex.
j919or 3 months ago
@j919or You can not make a statement that this is not new information unless you have support from physics. If you are making a new proposal that this is not new information they you will have to provide what your proof is Why you are in opposition of the present theory that information is not distorted not even in a black hole. A change of structure is new information. Ozone is created form o2 when it interacts with sun light. You must have no education in the sciences.
yeudh 3 months ago
@yeudh ""Ozone is created ""
Ozone was already there, its not created. The ozone itself increases but there is no new information other than that was already there.
j919or 3 months ago
@j919or rofl. Ozone is created in the upper atmosphere when O2 is disassociated by energetic ultraviolet light, and the individual free oxygen atoms join with O2 to form O3 (Ozone). Ozone also falls apart when encountering other Ozone molecules giving the whole process some balance.
Man-introduced chemicals like Cloro-Carbons increases the rate of ozone-dissasociaton causing a decrease on the ozone levels. Thats why it has been banned.
Get an education.
MagnusNyborg 2 months ago
@MagnusNyborg Right but the ozone doesnt not increase in complexity it just increases in span, ie. grows. Obviously God created the ozone for without it we burn to a crisp. None of these examples negate the principle that complexity doesnt increase without a machine or the direct intervention of God the ultimate machine. Raw energy causes decay not complexity
j919or 2 months ago
@j919or there was no ozone on the young earth, ozone production in the upper atmosphere only started once oxygen became plenty.
Is there any way to determine if your claims are true, or if they are just delusional? Any test?
MagnusNyborg 2 months ago
@MagnusNyborg Can u even hear urself? U dont know that they young earth had no ozone. Is there any way to determine if your claim is true or are you just delusional?
strengthinweakness1 2 months ago
@strengthinweakness1 we can ask a scientist, he will (hopefully) be less delusional than you.
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j919or 2 months ago
@MagnusNyborg It depends on which scientist that you ask. Check it: Most of the world is anti god and pro-establishment and conform their thinking to fit the world's philosophy called naturalism that eliminates God as a premise. And therefore MOST scientists are apt to give a naturalistic conclusion.
Obviously u have also bought into the let-the-experts-do-my-thinking mindset/ go with the flow/ peer pressure.
j919or 2 months ago
@j919or well, the ozone layer is easily explained by physics and chemistry, without invoking a god, and can be demonstrated in laboratory controlled conditions.
So what evidence for (any) god to exist do you have? And if you dont have evidence, how can we test if you are delusional or not?
And if there is not way to determine whether you are delusional or not...
MagnusNyborg 2 months ago
@MagnusNyborg I have often wondered if the word "god" has been tossed around just because people dont have the intellect to be able to read science text books and understand the big words. I mean "god" only has three letters...
Xellith 2 months ago
@Xellith perhaps, for some that seems very plausible.
"Everyone have some belief that prevents the sky from falling on their heads". Some try to understand how the world works, and some rather make shit up that is easy to 'understand' but does not align with reality.
IF a god exists afterall, he/she/it would be divine and perfect, and nothing like what the religions claim. The problem is not with god per see, the problem is with the believers...
MagnusNyborg 2 months ago
@j919or i forgot to respond to this:
"Obviously u have also bought into the let-the-experts-do-my-thinking mindset..."
I understand both the physics and chemistry behind the ozone layer, i do my own thinking as opposed to you who let a BOOK think for you.
MagnusNyborg 2 months ago
@j919or - Science and naturalism eliminate god as a conclusion not because of some sort of bias, but because you cannot naturally or scientifically test for a god. Do you honestly think that a theistic scientist investigating anything would be capable of concluding that the answer to their inquiry is "a god did it". The closest thing that could be found would be "This test is inconclusive" which is NOT evidence for anything, least of all a god.
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'I will not accept creation philosophically. because I do not want to believe in God. Therefor, I choose to believe in that which I know is scientifically impossible, spontaneous generation arising to evolution.' George Wald Nobel prize winner Biochemical Science an inquiry into life. _
NOISLAMINUSA 4 months ago
If I claimed to anyone that I can run faster than Usain Bolt im sure they would say 'prove it', yet if I say the universe was created by a man with a white beard they say 'ok' mmmm strange that
ATABOFACID 4 months ago
The bible does mention the sphere of the earth, before us modern humans found that to be true, but that still dosnt prove god
dotson214 4 months ago
@dotson214 That's not actually true, Isaiah 40:22, states 'the circle of the earth' not a sphere, a circle is a flat object, some modern translations use 'Sphere' to make the text sound profound.
ianjrivers 4 months ago
@dotson214 exactly where in the bible does it say the earth is a sphere?
Nowhere! You are making shit up.
MagnusNyborg 2 months ago
" space is infinite ""
This suggests that time must also be inifnite or that the creator of time and space is inifnite, and if inifnite, then infinitely good since infinitey can have no malfunction. And if there is malfunction it is only an illusion, an actually part of an inifnitely great program
j919or 4 months ago
@j919or
It suggests no such thing; have you figured out yet which version of the "ten commandments" are supposed to apply only to the jews, and which are supposed to apply to everyone, and why, or are you happy just pulling nonsense out of your ass to try to explain the nonsense in your cult?
StaceyC123 4 months ago 9
@StaceyC123 ""ten commandments" are supposed to apply only to the jews""
They all apply directly to Jews. But that doesnt mean that the opposite of those commands apply to anyone else. The NT repeats commands to love God and neighbor but stresses that the Holy sPIRIT within believers will enable fulfillment of those commands
j919or 4 months ago
@j919or
And you claim to know this HOW, exactly? If your imaginary "god" thought that these assorted "commandments" were important enough to order the jews to obey them, how is it that the rest of us can ignore them?
StaceyC123 4 months ago
@StaceyC123 "" important enough to order the jews to obey them""
The commands dont work because man is evil. The commands had a purpose and that was to be both a retraint to evil and to lead people to admit that they are evil and entrust themselves to God for change.
j919or 4 months ago
@j919or
You still haven't explained why your imaginary "god" expects Jews to obey ALL of the "commandments", but the rest of us NOT to, OR the fact that the first and second sets of these "commandments don't even AGREE with each other; if "Moses" didn't have his shit together well enough to actually REMEMBER the proper "commandments", why should anyone with any sense believe the rest of this fairy tale?
StaceyC123 4 months ago
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@StaceyC123 ""expects Jews to obey ALL "'
To convince them that they couldnt obey and that there was hostility to God in them
""don't even AGREE ""
References?
j919or 4 months ago
@j919or you actually do seem evil, perhaps for the good of mankind it is best that you dont run around thinking for yourself but follow a badly written book.
MagnusNyborg 2 months ago
@j919or Do you really think that something capable of being "infinite" can possibly be confined by your infinitely inferior and incredibly subjective Human idea of "good" or "bad"?
SeedsOfHatred 4 months ago
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youneekk 4 months ago
The unicorn is infinite
Moroznjak 5 months ago 9
@Moroznjak I want that phrase on a tee-shirt.
TheGeneralCritic 5 months ago
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Since humans stepped out of the caves, we were constantly expanding our circle of love to include more people. We now reject genocide, racism, incest, etc; things that were common centuries ago. We are in a crucial point in our development. Becoming completely spiritual by rejecting all evil is the next step. Atheism rejects Jesus, which represents 100% love, as a role model,which is a step back for consciousness. The time has come to raise our consciousness to the next level, is now or never.
dejesusluisx 5 months ago
The Bible is true. If you go to the edge of the earth and look over the side you can see the turtle that carries us on its back. The turtle is held up by a flying pasta monster riding a unicorn.
baxtar1963 6 months ago 7
@baxtar1963 What's under the unicorn?
GypsyLeah 5 months ago 2
@baxtar1963 You are the AntiChrist sent here by the Devil to deceive us all - well it's not going to work. It's not I tells yer!!!
Everyone knows that it's not a Unicorn that carries the Turtle it's a Pegasus. Check Mate God hater. HA!
TheAmethystScorpion 2 months ago
@TheAmethystScorpion
Spread thy lies elsewhere heathen,
It is neither a unicorn nor a pegasus, it is a hippogriff.
I've had a personal experience with it, and like all true hippogriffians I KNOW THE TRUTH!
WaltonSauce 2 months ago
seeing as there is an incredibly important debate going on.. no ones going to tell me that catchy song from the start (dot dot dot sadface)
zazzeyzaz 6 months ago
@zazzeyzaz That, sir, is "Blasphemous Rumours", from Depeche Modes 1984 album "Some Great Reward".
AnonymousPsych 6 months ago
What did god call the first Neanderthal? Arnold perhaps? What about Arnold's wife? What was her name? Why did god kill them off? Were they not also gods children? They buried their dead just as the judeo-christian god must have told them to. The bible does not mention this because they were not known by the superstitious, genocidal, illiterate tribal thugs who orally passed on the word of god that later became the holy book of shit.
scotttebben 6 months ago 4
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scotttebben 6 months ago
yeah im sat with superman, x-men, thundercats and fuckin turtles
lp84able 6 months ago
Where dose the bibel say that the earth is the center of the universe? I belive the only thing these people, who you say said it, proved was the fact that there is just as many idios among christian peopel as among other people.
bergehalvard 7 months ago
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AlbertEinsteinSr 6 months ago
@bergehalvard actually since space is infinite every point could be seen as a center; the ignorance to how the bible was written' "not all it but most" doesn’t get to the points which good philosophical statements do' so people will likely always argue over things which either don’t exist or are too simple to realize' but often difficult to explain in words' Illiteracy has a great deal to do with the placement to context to any supposition' questioning what’s it all about anyway?
AlbertEinsteinSr 6 months ago
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I can confidently say that Christian apologists have successfully refuted Dr. Ehrman's work. Like how there were competing views of Jesus: the only sources that offered these "competing views" were written well over 100 years after Jesus' death. If there were any competing views regarding Jesus within the 1st century, they were held by an insignificant minority of Christians.
THEEVANTHETOON 7 months ago
@THEEVANTHETOON
Do you really expect anyone to respond to such a large amount of spam?
TeapotMullah 7 months ago
@THEEVANTHETOON Save your bullshit, dude. Books prove nothing about gods.
Murdulo 7 months ago 20
@Murdulo And if they do prove god, they also prove that elves exist, and an ancient city of Gondor was besieged by orcs, and a deity-like being known as Tom Bombadill lived in the forest in the Shire.
And there is a Cat that has a Hat and can take stains out of tubs and clothes and tubs.
And that a farmboy got his hand cut off by his dad, and made out with his sister and later witnessed his father kill his nemesis.
Arcexey 3 months ago
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Murdulo 1 month ago
@Arcexey
" Cooper: You made out with your SISTER, man! "
Murdulo 1 month ago
@Murdulo Wish I was older when that the sister/brother thing was revealed in rotj
Arcexey 1 month ago
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The Ancient Israelites were aware of this too.
THEEVANTHETOON 7 months ago
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The Bible uses extraordinary language to describe the Earth. We use such metaphors today, such as "The Sun sets" or "The four corners of the Earth". As we aren't implying that the sun can actually set or that the Earth is a square, nor should we say that the Bible is.
THEEVANTHETOON 7 months ago
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@THEEVANTHETOON Lol, I feel sorry for you, kid.
MultigrainPie 6 months ago
3:49
Not so. St. Augustine, on the 4th century, in his comentary on Gensis 1, said that the "days" needn't be taken literally, nor the creation need be a few thousand years ago. He even suggested that the Universe wasn't created in random acts of creation, but certain features of it were revealed in certain potencies over time. According to this man, Evolution and the Big Bang were completely possible, 1,500 years before Charles Darwin and Edwin Hubble.
THEEVANTHETOON 7 months ago
@THEEVANTHETOON Isn't that convenient to reinterpret Bronze Age myths to make them fit our modern understanding. If the Bible was divinely inspired, then,the all knowing god could make sure he actually clearly stated and explain everything. Instead, we have stuff like now when you're trying to credit the biblical accounts by claiming that authors really meant something else. I'm sure you'll find was to keep reinterpret it as our knowledge continue to grow, and claim "see the bible explain it
petion2010 7 months ago
2:33
And there's no evidence for this view (that Paul's writings were forged). Atheists are funny: they reject Christianity because there's "no evidence", which is not only false, but they are perfectly fine believing these absurd theories like the Swoon theory, the Hallucination theory, this theory, etc.
THEEVANTHETOON 7 months ago
@THEEVANTHETOON: You can claim anything is real if the only basis for believing it is that nobody's proved it doesn't exist. Just like your 100% imaginary god.
mikefromwa 7 months ago 30
...seperate the facts from fiction.
In short, there is no reason to believe that 1) Jesus never existed, or 2) nothing happened on the first Easter Sunday. Those who do do so on philosophical, not historical, grounds.
THEEVANTHETOON 7 months ago
...A common objection now is "The Gospel accounts of the Resurrection are so contradicting". 1) They are not. They merely record different details, which one would expect in multiple eyewitness accounts. 2) Even if they did contradict, that would in no way affect the historicity of the Resurrection. This objection falsely assumes that only inerrant sources can accurately record history. The problem is almost no historical document is completely inerrant. In fact, it is a historians job to...
THEEVANTHETOON 7 months ago
@THEEVANTHETOON
"A common objection now is "The Gospel accounts of the Resurrection are so contradicting". 1) They are not. They merely record different details, which one would expect in multiple eyewitness accounts."
You mean like Mark claiming that this cult leader was executed on Passover day, at 9, and John claiming that he was executed the day BEFORE passover, at noon? When these stories can't even keep these aspects of the fable straight, why should anyone believe them?
StaceyC123 4 months ago
@StaceyC123 ""day BEFORE passover,""
Simple mistranslation for the word means "Preparation day" and relates to the context of prep for the sabbath that he needed to be crucified and buried before the sabbath started.
j919or 4 months ago
@j919or
That's not what your fairy tales claim, and you know it; they further break Jewish burial law in claiming that WOMEN went to "anoint" a dead male body that had already been placed in a tomb, which is forbidden on two accounts.
StaceyC123 4 months ago
@StaceyC123 ""Jewish burial law""
Prove it
j919or 4 months ago
@j919or
Ask the Jews themselves, if you don't believe me; females are forbidden from handling dead male bodies (and vice-versa) and ALL Jews are forbidden from handling a dead body after it has been buried or placed in a tomb. Since these characters were Jewish, your fairy tales contradict themselves yet again.
StaceyC123 4 months ago
@StaceyC123 ""Ask the Jews themselves""
Ud have to show that those laws were in affect at the time of the burial.
j919or 4 months ago
@j919or
The Jews themselves say that this has always been a part of their burial laws (because, just like most other cults, they have a number of sexual hang-ups), and if there's anything that cults have a hard time changing, it's their rituals. The people that founded your cult are claimed to have all been observant Jews, so have you got any evidence to show that they WEREN'T?
StaceyC123 4 months ago
@StaceyC123 Translation: these laws are not in the law and werent in use at the time of Jesus and so you now you are reduced to ask me to assume your burden of proof.
j919or 4 months ago
@j919or
Translation: you realize that your cult's myths contradict Jewish burial laws, and show your fables up as self-contradictory nonsense.
StaceyC123 4 months ago
...2) His tomb was found empty, and 3) people reported seeing Him after His death. There are many reasons to believe these facts, but, due to lack of space, I will not conver them here. The only thing scholars differ on is the best explanation of these facts. However, there is no naturalistic explanation of these facts. To quote N.T. Wright: "As a historian, I cannot explain the rise of early Christianity unless Jesus rose again, leaving an empty tomb behind him.”
THEEVANTHETOON 7 months ago
...who never existed. Most scholars believe that early Christian preaching started in Jerusalem in the 30's. Why would the disciples preach that a man had been crucified in Jerusalem within months of His death if He never existed?
F.F. Bruce says it best "It's not historians who propagate the Christ Myth theories".
As for the extraordinary claims:
There are 3 facts which virtually every biblical scholar, including the secular ones, agree upon: 1) Jesus was crucified, died, and buried...
THEEVANTHETOON 7 months ago
...conquerors conquest of the Anglo-Saxons could easily have been greatly exagerrated. Lastly, the first mention we have of Jesus dates within 5 years of His life (1 Corinthians 15:3-5 was a pre-Pauline Chrsitian creed that scholars place within 5 years of Jesus death, some within 18 months). Furthermore, Mark's source material is very early, within years, even months of Christ's life. This is certainly not enough time for a legend to develop, much less to create an entire tale about a man...
THEEVANTHETOON 7 months ago
...Second, this objection falsely assumes that only contemporary sources can accurately record history. Look at our school's history textbooks: few question their accuracy even though they are written 100's of years after the events they describe. Lastly, there are many historical figures and events that we take for granted that aren't contemporary. There are no contemporary mentions of Alexander the Great, nor are there any of Genghis Kahn, Attila the Hun, etc. Similarly, William the...
THEEVANTHETOON 7 months ago
2:12
Virtually no biblical scholars question the existence of Jesus. Even the radical "Jesus Seminar" leaves no doubt that the Gospels were based off of a real person. Furthermore, Jesus is mentioned by a number of ancient sources, including Josephus (in 2 places), Tacitus, Lucian, Suetonius, Mara Bar-Serapion, the Jewish Talmud, etc. A common objection here is "None of those are contemporary". First off, this may not be true; a passage in the Talmud regarding Jesus may be contemporary...
THEEVANTHETOON 7 months ago
...historians and scholarship give us little reason to hold this view. In short: if we can attribute "The Iliad" and "The Odyssey" to Homer, a half-mythical man, then we can attribute the authors of the books of the Bibles are who they say they are.
THEEVANTHETOON 7 months ago
...never attribute anything extraordinary to him. Surely, if the Church were trying to win converts, it would attribute the Gospels to more famous disciples, such as Paul and Peter, yet it attributes these works to rather ordinary men. As with the Epistles, while a few have questioned the authorship of the Pastoral letters, there is little reason to believe these claims. With the OT, there's the "Documentary Theory" which attributes the Torah to 4+ different writers. However, modern...
THEEVANTHETOON 7 months ago