The neat thing about the vertical placement is that to get the same power from a flat circle surface, you would need over a 4 inch diameter. This way a 2 inch diameter suffices. The disc would have to be a little larger because the air would have difficulty reaching the center. I think if the stove were shorter and bent in like a star to compensate for lost burn area, it would have a better top burn because the higher up you go the less abundant the oxygen is.
Just to be safe, let me say that my challenge was mere jest, dear sir! It's just my aweful sense of humor. As i have said before, I consider you to be a brilliant crafstman with artistic flair and I am glad to see my vertical wick with airflow idea inspiring such talent. The 2 second burn was designed that way. I want a quick boil, but the flame is all over the place. I have an idea how to control it. I just wanted to share my concept with you before I left to hike a few days ago.
Thank you, sir! With a relatively simple dampening system, Proto 2 is going to be a serious step up. The remote fueling system is proving difficult, but I will get it down! O.C.D. can be channeled for good things with sufficient will. Thanks for the comment! Peace.
my first one had teh same fast burn time problem. i could burn for about 3min but it would boil 2cups in less than that. i really cant offer any advice since yours isnt jetted. the way i fixed mine was less jets and i had to keep the stove from getting too hot. it looks great!
I told Tim about your design, just waiting on him to get back to me. The jetting is kewl, but I think one of his assertions is that - more surface area of combustion=higher btu/watt/power output. This proto was to see if the idea at least held water. I believe it does, so this basic unit will make up the wick core of proto 2, of which I have nearly completed manufacture. Testing will be when I get home from work tonight. Thanks for the comment, man! Good to hear from you! Peace.
Exactly--the throat concept isn't the primary thing I was sharing, but it was necessary for the internal burning I wanted for the future development of this stove. You could have the bottom closed and the burn would take place closer to the top with probably the same power because the air would be coming from the sides and the gas jetted out the top.
'Bout time!! LOL Ever since I called you a stovie in one of my videos, you haven't shown another stove, LOL!! Great to see that the creative stovie blood still pumps through your veins, LOL. Great video!! looking forward to more!! ED
No worries, Ed! It wasn't your video that promted my vacation from stoves. I needed to give my creativity a rest and let the primal part of the mind dominate for a few months. My "abstract juices" are back in full force, so I will try to make up for lost time. Thanks for the concern, man! Definitely more to come! Peace.
Yes!!! This the direction I thought would be logical. I have a prototype of a center aspirated stove but no camera to film it. Mine is a cottle cut in two with the bottom inverted and presse over the top piece. the bottom has a hole in it to let the neck project through. The neck is then flared. The fuel is in the cavity between the two walls, the jets are louvers that aim the fuel up wards into the updraft. It's a pressurized stove. A damper fits easily into this layout. Way to go!
I hadn't seen irrationalsolution's videos on his "Afterburner" stove. It is almost exactly like mine. He beat me to the idea by several months. Thanks for letting me know about it, but I feel like a dork now. Yesterday, I thought I was a genius, lol. Well, I'll be sending him a note with some ideas I've got on this concept. Maybe they'll be of some use.
I'm looking forward to seeing your next proto! Take care.
Dork? Nah, great minds think alike. My jet stove predated Hirams cottle, but his fan addition looks interesting indeed! We can all feed off each other inventiveness and make the stove even better! That's the idea! Peace.
That was my next project--chuckle. It's on my hiking notebook I just brought back from Ramsey's Draft. Great minds think alike, but you thought of it and built it first sir, to that I salute you! Put vertical wick in the wall inside and shake it to evenly distribute the fuel. You will liberate fuel faster for the jets.
Lol. Anyway, I was, to say the least, quite impressed when I saw this; all that out of a red bull can and some alcohol? This is why I'm turning my hole of a place into a compound when the zombie apocalypse happens, and you're going to be one of the first people I invite. Reason being I say "Invite" is that I'm pretty sure you can "Rescue" your damn self! Lmao
Excellent stove, a rather neat design out of need this now materials, decent music and 'cmon. It's you. 5*
Thanks Brian! What Tim doesn't know, he may have O.C.D., but I am O.C.D.erererer! LOL! I have a few ideas that should make this an interesting project. Thanks again for the comment! Peace.
What I meant by that comment about Tesla is Tesla had OCD and maybe it's in my genes too, lol. I certainly have his eccentricity. Was that your video with "They're coming to take me away HA-HA" playing in the background?
Very nice! Looking forward to seeing the next steps in this stoves design! I like the idea of remote fueling, Perhaps a simmer lid like a Trangia? I may have to tinker with this idea as well!
Thanks, Drak! The way I see it, this is a step up in burner technology. Obviously, it is not sufficient for a boil of 2 cups, but with a remote fuel source and an air dampener, well, it could really be interesting! Peace.
2 minutes of 15 ml of alcohol should boil two cups. The only thing changed here is the time in which that is done. "Power" is RATE of energy delivery. 15 ml is all you need to raise the temp of room temp water to boil. How fast you do that is different matter. Controlling the flame so it hits the pot for efficient transfer is a bug that needs to be worked out because as I said, the flame is wide and it needs to be more focused for efficient heat transfer.
The neat thing about the vertical placement is that to get the same power from a flat circle surface, you would need over a 4 inch diameter. This way a 2 inch diameter suffices. The disc would have to be a little larger because the air would have difficulty reaching the center. I think if the stove were shorter and bent in like a star to compensate for lost burn area, it would have a better top burn because the higher up you go the less abundant the oxygen is.
BrokenAeroVT 2 years ago
Just to be safe, let me say that my challenge was mere jest, dear sir! It's just my aweful sense of humor. As i have said before, I consider you to be a brilliant crafstman with artistic flair and I am glad to see my vertical wick with airflow idea inspiring such talent. The 2 second burn was designed that way. I want a quick boil, but the flame is all over the place. I have an idea how to control it. I just wanted to share my concept with you before I left to hike a few days ago.
BrokenAeroVT 2 years ago
Interesting solution... ;-)
benniblueyes 2 years ago
The stand issue has been rectified in proto #2. Good to hear from you, Benny! Peace.
TerraFirma369 2 years ago
To burn that fast and clean and still have a stable flame is a super accomplishment. Looks like youre well onto something nifty there!
WorldStove 2 years ago
Thank you, sir! With a relatively simple dampening system, Proto 2 is going to be a serious step up. The remote fueling system is proving difficult, but I will get it down! O.C.D. can be channeled for good things with sufficient will. Thanks for the comment! Peace.
TerraFirma369 2 years ago
my first one had teh same fast burn time problem. i could burn for about 3min but it would boil 2cups in less than that. i really cant offer any advice since yours isnt jetted. the way i fixed mine was less jets and i had to keep the stove from getting too hot. it looks great!
irrationalsolutions 2 years ago
I told Tim about your design, just waiting on him to get back to me. The jetting is kewl, but I think one of his assertions is that - more surface area of combustion=higher btu/watt/power output. This proto was to see if the idea at least held water. I believe it does, so this basic unit will make up the wick core of proto 2, of which I have nearly completed manufacture. Testing will be when I get home from work tonight. Thanks for the comment, man! Good to hear from you! Peace.
TerraFirma369 2 years ago
Exactly--the throat concept isn't the primary thing I was sharing, but it was necessary for the internal burning I wanted for the future development of this stove. You could have the bottom closed and the burn would take place closer to the top with probably the same power because the air would be coming from the sides and the gas jetted out the top.
BrokenAeroVT 2 years ago
3 minutes is good. It's the top end of your stove. Control for RANGE is the next obvious step.
BrokenAeroVT 2 years ago
'Bout time!! LOL Ever since I called you a stovie in one of my videos, you haven't shown another stove, LOL!! Great to see that the creative stovie blood still pumps through your veins, LOL. Great video!! looking forward to more!! ED
wildlifeed 2 years ago
No worries, Ed! It wasn't your video that promted my vacation from stoves. I needed to give my creativity a rest and let the primal part of the mind dominate for a few months. My "abstract juices" are back in full force, so I will try to make up for lost time. Thanks for the concern, man! Definitely more to come! Peace.
TerraFirma369 2 years ago
Yes!!! This the direction I thought would be logical. I have a prototype of a center aspirated stove but no camera to film it. Mine is a cottle cut in two with the bottom inverted and presse over the top piece. the bottom has a hole in it to let the neck project through. The neck is then flared. The fuel is in the cavity between the two walls, the jets are louvers that aim the fuel up wards into the updraft. It's a pressurized stove. A damper fits easily into this layout. Way to go!
deezynar 2 years ago
So does IrrationalSolutions, but his is jetted. This one is just a rough proto. The second will be a major step up. Thanks for the comment! Peace.
TerraFirma369 2 years ago
I hadn't seen irrationalsolution's videos on his "Afterburner" stove. It is almost exactly like mine. He beat me to the idea by several months. Thanks for letting me know about it, but I feel like a dork now. Yesterday, I thought I was a genius, lol. Well, I'll be sending him a note with some ideas I've got on this concept. Maybe they'll be of some use.
I'm looking forward to seeing your next proto! Take care.
deezynar 2 years ago
Dork? Nah, great minds think alike. My jet stove predated Hirams cottle, but his fan addition looks interesting indeed! We can all feed off each other inventiveness and make the stove even better! That's the idea! Peace.
TerraFirma369 2 years ago
Exactly why I shared the SRB booster concept with you guys, and it's certainly started a chain reaction, heheh. I love stirring the...stoves!
BrokenAeroVT 2 years ago
That was my next project--chuckle. It's on my hiking notebook I just brought back from Ramsey's Draft. Great minds think alike, but you thought of it and built it first sir, to that I salute you! Put vertical wick in the wall inside and shake it to evenly distribute the fuel. You will liberate fuel faster for the jets.
BrokenAeroVT 2 years ago
looking forward to more, thanks for sharing your efforts
4ancientarts 2 years ago
Proto #2 is already in the works! The next step will be a big one. Thanks for the comment! Peace.
TerraFirma369 2 years ago
O.O Rocket Go-Kart, anyone?
Lol. Anyway, I was, to say the least, quite impressed when I saw this; all that out of a red bull can and some alcohol? This is why I'm turning my hole of a place into a compound when the zombie apocalypse happens, and you're going to be one of the first people I invite. Reason being I say "Invite" is that I'm pretty sure you can "Rescue" your damn self! Lmao
Excellent stove, a rather neat design out of need this now materials, decent music and 'cmon. It's you. 5*
TheForestDragon 2 years ago
Thanks Brian! What Tim doesn't know, he may have O.C.D., but I am O.C.D.erererer! LOL! I have a few ideas that should make this an interesting project. Thanks again for the comment! Peace.
TerraFirma369 2 years ago
My maternal gene pool is not to distant from OCD hero Nikola Tesla. He and my mother are both Serbs. -Tim
BrokenAeroVT 2 years ago
What I meant by that comment about Tesla is Tesla had OCD and maybe it's in my genes too, lol. I certainly have his eccentricity. Was that your video with "They're coming to take me away HA-HA" playing in the background?
BrokenAeroVT 2 years ago
Very nice! Looking forward to seeing the next steps in this stoves design! I like the idea of remote fueling, Perhaps a simmer lid like a Trangia? I may have to tinker with this idea as well!
NCHiker1970 2 years ago
Thanks, Drak! The way I see it, this is a step up in burner technology. Obviously, it is not sufficient for a boil of 2 cups, but with a remote fuel source and an air dampener, well, it could really be interesting! Peace.
TerraFirma369 2 years ago
2 minutes of 15 ml of alcohol should boil two cups. The only thing changed here is the time in which that is done. "Power" is RATE of energy delivery. 15 ml is all you need to raise the temp of room temp water to boil. How fast you do that is different matter. Controlling the flame so it hits the pot for efficient transfer is a bug that needs to be worked out because as I said, the flame is wide and it needs to be more focused for efficient heat transfer.
BrokenAeroVT 2 years ago