no matter how much you argue with us Christians we win because his 3 in 1 Jesus is God plan and simple his the Great I AM his the beginning and the end, the alpha and the omega, the King of Kings the one that created the Heavens and the Earth flat out if you want the Truth! Read the whole Bible because thats the Truth there is nothing false on there not one bit.
Heh...this Kelly person says (and apparently believes) that Joseph Smith was only 13 years old when the BoM was "Written".
All he has to do is some simple math and see that Joseph was at least 17.
And by the time the "Final" version was complete he was older than J.K.Rowlings or J.R.R. Tolkien...both of whom could have written a better BoM narrative.
Ahhh...Mormons!...Screw 'Em!
Jesus will straighten 'em out at the White Throne.
Spend your energy reaching Lost people who know they are Lost.
groan, can bolth of you just stuff it. let god worry abought who has the facts and let's worry abought what is going on with the people around you.oh by the way try to remeber wrath.
Poor Moses must have had a tough time, he probably thought Noah had a tough time too. then there was Paul and Peter that had a tough time too. Then there was Joseph Smith and Brigham Young, they had a tough time too.
“[God] never will institute an ordinance or give a commandment to His people that is not calculated in its nature to promote that happiness which He has designed, and which will not end in the greatest amount of good and glory to those who become the recipients of His law and ordinances.”
Not only do the activities of the mormon temple differ from the references of the Bible but they degrade them as well.
The lds church is a corporation where Christian churches are not. The lds church and their so called priests can remove salvation from people and remove people from the church, while the real true Church the CHRISTIAN CHURCH cannot, that is GOD'S decision.
WOULD YOU WANT TO BE CALLED A CHRISTIAN IF YOU WERE PUT TO DEATH AND ABUSED?MORMONS DO NOT GET PERSECUTED
“I am a lover of the cause of Christ and of virtue, chastity, and an upright, steady course of conduct and a holy walk. I despise a hypocrite or a covenant breaker. I judge them not; God shall judge them according to their works. I am a lover even of mine enemies, for an enemy seeketh to destroy openly. I can pray for those who despitefully use and persecute me, but for all I cannot hope.”
@SuperDonster Sorry you can't tell me what to do. “The Book of Mormon is the most correct of any book on this Earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding by its precepts, than any other book.”
@scottwins2 You keep quoting a lost man, Joe Joe Smithy, and I'll keep quoting the Word of God, the Lord Jesus Christ Almighty.
That we [henceforth] be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, [and] cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive Eph4:14 If you're a Christian, then lets open up the Bible and start talking about what you believe vs what the Word of God says. Nobody cares what Joe Joe Smithy has to say.
@SuperDonster “I am a lover of the cause of Christ and of virtue, chastity, and an upright, steady course of conduct and a holy walk. I despise a hypocrite or a covenant breaker. I judge them not; God shall judge them according to their works. I am a lover even of mine enemies, for an enemy seeketh to destroy openly. I can pray for those who despitefully use and persecute me, but for all I cannot hope.” Joseph Smith Jr.
@scottwins2 :For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works. ―Holy Spirit (God) 2Cor11:13-15
@twocentsin6 I guess, MOSES was really miss guided then, a murderer! Paul too I suppose. How dare Samuel in the Bible say God spoke to him! God could not have the power to do that! People think and say what you will, Prophets lived that were good ones then and now you folks just always say they are all of the devil..
It says in Galatians that even if an angel comes to you and prevents a different gospel they should be regarded as lost? That basically debunks mormonism...
@humanistheart Sir my LDS faith is not here to amuse you nor does your mocking resemble Christs teachings. I guess you haven't really thought about the name of the Church, its The Church of JESUS CHRIST OF Latter Day Saints. Here is the ceter of our lives.
@humanistheart This is what you said, It appears you were having some fun. "A mis-titled video as Mormons are Christians. It's like saying protestant vs christian, lol."
@kyzersoze74 Your statemnt is not True, Orthathdoxy do believe in 3 Gods yet they are One. LDS people believe that Christ prayed to his Father in Heaven when he was is The Garden of Gethsemene. LDS don't believe in a Crhist that prays to himself. Trinity? Intereasting you call God 3. That God must be a confused sole.
Sir, we are Christians, and we have the freedom to believe in whatever we want. By the way this guy keeps track of who is or is not a Christian. he is the one to judge Christians. Sorry buddy i will submit him my Christian registration for his approval, then maybe i can be a Christian.
@twocentsin6 No unhallowed hand can stop the work from progressing. Persecutions may rage, mobs may combine, armies may assemble, calumny may defame. But the truth of God will go forth boldly, nobly, and dependent till it has penetrated every continent, visited every clime, swept every country, and sounded in every ear, until the purposes of God shall be accomplished and the Great Jehovah will say, ‘The work is done
Brigham Young, Blood Atonement Sermon: Journal of Discourses Vol. 3, p. 243-249 "Suppose you found your brother in bed with your wife, and put a javelin through both of them, you would be justified, and they would atone for their sins, and be received into the kingdom of God. I would at once do so in such a case; and under such circumstances, I have no wife whom I love so well that I would not put a javelin through her heart, and I would do it with clean hands".
@TheSoulamore No unhallowed hand can stop the work from progressing. Persecutions may rage, mobs may combine, armies may assemble, calumny may defame. But the truth of God will go forth boldly, nobly, and dependent till it has penetrated every continent, visited every clime, swept every country, and sounded in every ear, until the purposes of God shall be accomplished and the Great Jehovah will say, ‘The work is done
@twocentsin6 I am glad too :) Both my parents, two brothers and three sisters of mine are still devout believers. Only one sister of mine found Jesus along side me. My father told her to repent. These people dont even care if people find Jesus if the church doesnt get any credit. Love with conditions! Thats not the right gospel.
You know, the first time I watched one of his videos, my first impression is "Man this guy is mean and does he really have to talk that loud? He's such a big mouth!" But after watching a couple more and listening to Mormons stumbling and confused upon the truth of the Bible, I start to understand why he needs to yell at them, because they have wandered so far from the real Jesus Christ.
Those mormons are very stubborns, they can can the truth. Do they really believe that Lucifer/Satan is their spiritual brother? They r not christians.
@tattoodfreeek I don't feel misguided at all, why would you say that? I just don't believe in the Neo Platoistic God of so called Christianity today. "The One"
@scottwins2 So you deny the God of the Bible, which would be classed as blasphemy. And seeing as the God of Christianity hasn't changed, what makes you thing that the god of the Mormon cult is better? They aren't the same God, just like you worship a Mormon Christ. Both are false.
@tattoodfreeek I in the God of the Bible. why Moses & Joseph? Why do you say we are a cult? That is a joke, LDS don't blindly follow, we don't use psychodelic drugs, we don't chant, we dont put tattoos on our bodies, we don't worship snakes, nor let cows wonder in our streets.
There is the Baptist Church, Methodist, Catholic, Lutheran, Episcapal, Presbaterian. All believing God is different, Yet The only one with Christs name you despise. The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter Day Saints.
@scottwins2 No, you blindly follow a church that is the brain child of a con man, a polygamist and a plagiarist. You believe in the writings of someone who claimed to be visited by an Angel, no sorry, Jesus, no sorry, God and Jesus, heck, he couldn't make his mind up.
And so because the Mormons decide to put Christ in the naming of their church, makes it the true church? What about Jehovah Witnesses??
When Jesus comes back after the resurrection, one of the disciples said to him, MY LORD, MY GOD. And Jesus did not correct him, he didnt say "dont call me God". Jesus is God in the flesh.
He's a bit harsh on the Mormons. Hey check out way of the master Mormonism. That will expose how much of a faulse prophet Joseph smith was its bluntly obvious
Hebrews 1:5 For unto which of the angels said, he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son. 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
Why is it so hard for them to take the challenge of just getting on their knees and praying out to God for Him to reveal truth to them. It's crazy. It's like they are afraid of God helping them?? I don't get it. God help the Mormon people come to Your truth.....not this fabricated cheap version created by evil men.
@ranchopeanutz67 The problem is that you only accept one answer to the test. Some people have felt the answer is "No, it's not true" while others have said they don't feel anything. The Church just insists you pray over and over and over until you get the answer they want. Also, why doesn't the Bible tell us to pray to know if it's true? Maybe the test isn't as valid as you believe it is.
@mollymu1 Did you know that the Encyclopedia or Mormonism says that the Prophet gets a "modest wage" for his time? It's something most LDS don't even know.
Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
@peaceliberty4all I know you, are quick to ask question's but are afraid to answer them. Your are lost and I pray you find Christ and come to know Him! John 3 : 3-16 and then look at the unwhite washed history of the church you hold up as being the only true church. It is the only true church extablished with false prophacy ! You make bold statements , then tuck your tail like a wolf and hide! Is that how you gain your testamony ? Your faith like your sacrament seem's to be watered down!
#5 War in Heaven Never seeing the sin they hold in their own pridefilled heart's Again Moroni 10:32. is that you ? IE Satan was cast out for wanting the same gospel Joe claim's is an abomniation. Yet here he bring's a wonderful gospel in which all will be saved except those who deny Joe being a prophet. Go ahead trust Joe, God needed him to save His gospel, doubt Christ is who He said He is! John 3:16 is Joe calling Christ a blasphamer ? Is Christ is supporting Satan in his work's there?
#4 War in Heaven and if you don't have a chance here on earth to accept this gospel. Mormon's who are worthy will do your work and you'll be saved by these ordinances (a simple plan to save all even those who do no work here on earth ) Which is what Satan and his minion's said they wanted. By Joe's own mouth those thing's are taught.
And that is why it isn't a big deal to change the sacrament or have a temple where you do other's work's to save all makes you feel better about you!
#3 War in Heaven that all must take on Joe's new ever lasting gospel (which has been altered to no end) and recieve him as their king or be damned ! Joe's gospel is laid out in D&C which includes a 10% tithe (so you will not burn) Yet Joe himself said hell was a glorious place that which there would be mass suicide if people only could see the glory that wait's there. then we have the temple. Bible say's Christ was the perfect sacrifice in Him it is finished! Joe say no you must do your part !
#2 War in Heaven now Joe teach's that salvation alone by God's Grace is blasphamy!
That an angel of light bring's him an untampered with B.O.M in which is Bible truth's lost is now been loosed to set thing's right by a book that set's into ? your secert temple right's (those pesky gadiantons). This Ignoring of scripture is sinister. Jesus alway''s said it is written . Showing us we can trust His Word. Joe say's trust your feeling's. Notice how Joe said do as I say, not as I do ?
@peaceliberty4all #2 A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him; but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet...When they can get rid of me, the devil will also go." (History of the Church, Vol. 6, p. 408, 409) I guess I know a little more than you about the man you followed from God! think about it you know everything I said is true.
I say Christ is the Messiah and the Savior of the world and you give me Hebrews 4? Yes, I know he is more than that but why can't you stick to the point instead of going off on all these tangents?
The war in heaven was won, Satan and his followers were cast out. But yes the same type of war for the souls of man continues here on earth.
#! War in Heaven, Joesph taught that was a a counsel to decide who would be the redeemer. The bible clearly states that Christ is God, Joe teaches then a war broke out because some didn't want to follow Jesus as the redeemer. Joe teaches that Satan and his minion's wanted all who pass through mortality no matter what they did on earth. To return to the Father (God) Those rebelling angels were cast down to earth, and this war is st9ill going on. Leading us to believe the war is not won.
Joseph Smith didn't "save the scriptures from satan" & he isn't held up as a greater prophet then Christ. FYI Christ isn't a prophet but the Messiah, the Savior of the world
& why do U keep asking if Moroni 10:32 is me? U make no sense
@peaceliberty4all read the Bible Hebrew's 4:1-4 he is the more than a messiah, more than a savior! Joe put Him in a box tried to make Him his puppet! Explain the war in Heaven, tell me your side! But If you don't that's fine I'll post it up word for word! What's funny your tryinjg to pin me on revelation's Christ's prophacing to John of the thing's to come to pass. Check His record against Joe's, Christ has evidence's Joe's has explaination why it never came to pass. an there are a lot's!
you have your answer now tell me why Joseph and Satan teach the same thing's one get's punished the other rewarded. And don't tell me I don't understand, I know Joe's war in heaven and how grace alone is an abomination! So please enlighten me on how Joe was needed yo save the scriptures from satan, then why he takes on the same teaching's as a restored gospel ! And is sang praise too, and held up as even a greater prophet than the one Christ ! History of the Church, Vol. 6, p. 408, 409 ?????
Colossians !:16 For by Him were all thing's created, that are in Heaven , and that are in earth, visable and invisable, whether they be thrones, or domions, or principalities, or powers: All thing's were created by him and for Him - Col 1:17 And He is before all thing's and by Him all thing's consist. That's how Satan came into being just like all the other angels he like some other want to be elevated and become equal to God!
@pappyforyou FYI Colossians is NOT an interpretation of Revelations and no where did you tell me what you thought Revelations was saying you only told me what you thought mormons believed it was saying which I already pointed out you were wrong about. Never did you answer my question about Revelations.
#2 and thus revelation 12: 7-11 a war in Heaven, Betweent those who would take God;s glorey for themselves and those who would have you worship them instead! So see your wrong peaceliberty4all Col does have to do with the war in Heaven it explain's the part's the angel's play in Heaven (they were created for His pleasure) and serves as a warning to those who think they are worthy of being worshipped. God will not tolerate such pride filled being's in His presence. moroni 10:32 is that you ?
@pappyforyou That really doesn't answr the ? I posed & Col explaining how Satan came into being or the part the angel's play really isn't an answer to my question.
Tell me where it says that Joseph Smith & Satan taught the same things & 1 got punished the other rewarded & I will try to answer.
we believe the bible as far as it is translated correctly because of the many translations of the bible, the many changes individuals have made which have changed the meaning. The BOM does not contradict the Bible nor does it replace it.
@peaceliberty4all Joesph elevated Satan, to bringer of the good new's (the fall) instead of the great deciever ! Why would God cast satan into Hell fire for doing such a wonderful work ! Joesph made the same claim, that ye may become gods and is glorified ? THat's why L.D.S sacrament is water and levened bread they scoff at the blood of Christ and invite blasphamy in as worship!
@pappyforyou Thanks for responding. You clearly do not understand what mormons believe though. And can you tell me how you interpret Revelations 12:7-11. Thanks
@peaceliberty4all clarify for me please! Dosn't Joesph teach you may become god's with your own world? Didn't Satan tell Eve you will become as god's Don't L.D.S take water instead of wine * ? And levened bread instead of unlevened which represent's sin?
. Let's settle this before we go on! I'm interested in Truth are you?
@pappyforyou Romans 8:16The Spirit itself beareth awitness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: 17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
This is what we believe.Satan tempted and deceived Eve with half truths & there is nothing glorious or good about him.
Does it matter if it is water or wine or is the symbolism important? Pharisees & Saducees split hairs & judged
@peaceliberty4all how did satan decieve Eve what half truth was it ? And yes it does matter? When you say you follow His example ? Joesph changed an example of Christ teaching's why ? Because emma tried to posion him over polygamy ! You just want a God that you can change to your will. As for Pharisees & Saducees split hairs & judged ! How is asking you to clarify your statement judging ? Jesus said He is the Truth and the Life! So far you haven't answered of my question's just hrugged it off !
@pappyforyou I did answer your questions it is you who didn't answer mine. The pharisees and Saducees judged Christ for the things he did on the Sabbath, they judged pretty much everything he did because they didn't think it should be that way. Oh course Christ used wine and unleavened bread that was what was common for the day. The sacrament isn't about what kind of drink or bread you use but that they represent his body and blood which water and bread can do quite well.
@peaceliberty4all We are talking about what Joesph taught on Satan , not what the pharisee's and saducees did. That's still the question. So answer it ! quit trying to go down a bunch of rabbit trails. Why did God give Joesph Godhood for doing the same thing Satan did yet Satan has Hell created for him and his minion's? Isn't that unjust at least? You can't even trust Christ can you ? You can't even give an answer that's honest. If Satan told half truths, Joesph they said the same thing!
@pappyforyou 1st of all I'm not going down any "rabbit trails". Secondly you brought up the sacrament and my comments about Pharisees and Saducees had to do with that. 3rd I asked my question first and still have not gotten an answer even though I answered your questions, but it apparently wasn't the answer you wanted. 4th what you just stated about Joseph and Satan - I have no idea what you are talking about. Answer my question 1st, clarify yours and I'll do my best to answer it.
@peaceliberty4all Thanks for responding. You clearly do not understand what mormons believe though. And can you tell me how you interpret Revelations 12:7-11.! @peaceliberty4all clarify for me please! Dosn't Joesph teach you may become god's with your own world? Didn't Satan tell Eve you will become as god's Don't L.D.S take water instead of wine * ? And levened bread instead of unlevened which represent's sin?
. Let's settle this before we go on! I'm interested in Truth are you?
@peaceliberty4all Thanks for responding. You clearly do not understand what mormons believe though. And can you tell me how you interpret Revelations 12:7-11.! @peaceliberty4all clarify for me please! Dosn't Joesph teach you may become god's with your own world? Didn't Satan tell Eve you will become as god's Don't L.D.S take water instead of wine * ? And levened bread instead of unlevened which represent's sin? EH?
. Let's settle this before we go on! I'm interested in Truth are you?
@pappyforyou Not sure why you are reposting this just to prove what I said was accurate. So Answer my question which I asked 1st, go back and read my response to your first questions, and then clarify your question in your last post and I will happily answer to the best of my ability. I have played this game with other christians they answer a question with a question then never end up answering my question so we will just go this route.
@peaceliberty4all I asked you to clarify your statement of What Joepsh said as oppsed to Satan. To me you haven't shown anything other than Joesph did whatever he wanted. My point is your whole church is based on half truth's Stolen bible verse (the Truth) and Joesph's will Polygamy , blood atonement and Danites. None of which you'd claim as a fruit of mormonism but all of which are. Moroni 10:32 tell me is that you ?
@pappyforyou Let me repeat since you seem to be having an issue with comprehension. Answer the question I asked you first about Revelations then I will address the question regarding Satan and Joseph.
@peaceliberty4all a war that you had nothing to do with! What would you have been doing so noble with no body as a little spirit baby Joe's teachings not mine ! This is where skousen started teaching how God could fall ! Sorry you were not a valiant spirit in any preexistence/ Jesus said I AM from above you are from beneneth your following failable men with a false priesthood! Now explain why Joe's word is stronger than Jesus's would you please?
@pappyforyou I asked you to tell me how you interpret Revelations 12:7-11 and what you think it is talking about. I did not ask you to tell me how you think I interpret it (which you are wrong by the way) or to insult me. Still waiting for you to answer my question.
You've got to go by the facts, Kelly! Your book is wrong, my book is true. You believe in nonsense, I dont. You think a guy translated hieroglyphics on gold plates to English using a hat and stones where as I KNOW that in the olden days, there were talking snakes and talking burning bushes and a guy lived inside a whale! The facts, Kelly. You've got to go by the facts!!
That mormon is vomiting out what the mormon church has put in him at this man just as I used to vomit out science, evolution, and the big bang to everyone else. I thank God for being there for me and accepting me when I asked.
@DavidTheDefender You're my new hero, David. I hate science. Down with evolution!! You know what else is utter rubbish? Gravity! What a load of shit that is! Dont even get me started on magnets!
@emersive I asked one of my friends who went to Yale/Harvard in theology and I didn't get an answer from him either. Just general stuff that I had already supposed. I am sincerely looking for an answer about this. In traditional Christian theology where does Satan come from?
@emersive I can't count how many questions I have asked Christians and get no response. One of those being where do they believe Satan comes from? Would be nice to get a response.
@peaceliberty4all When he became the embodiment of evil in prehistoric Eden, sin only existed on the spiritual level inside of him. Subsequently, he wanted to extend his might and domain. He wanted God and all the other angels to submit to his evil authority. He wanted to rule the universe. “For you said in your heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation I will be like the Most High.” - Isa. 14:13-14.
I would like to know what "Christian's" believe about satan? Where do you believe he came from? People need to look up the definition of Christian because according to the definition which is a believer of Christ and follower of his teachings LDS are Christians. We beleive in the Bible, we worship the Christ of the new testament and we try to follow his teachings = Christians.
@peaceliberty4all Well that's not entirely true. Mormons say that they "believe in the Bible as long as it's translated correctley" even though original transcripts have these verses (the inaccuracy of the Bible is why the Book of Morman "had to be written"):
"God cares about every one of his words. Every word of god is pure: He is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. Add thou not his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar." (Proverbs 30:5-6) cont...
@metal3468 Cont. The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever. (Psalms 12:6-7)
See Also (Deuteronomy 4:1-2), (Mark 13:31), (Revelation 22:18-19), (Isaiah 40:8), Etc...
@metal3468 To me thats sounds like god said his word would stay true.So when LDS see that what Joseph Smith wrote in the Book of Mormon contradicts the Bible, they say the Bible is "inaccurate".
@metal3468 The book of mormon is an expansion of what man wanted the Bible to say (saying the BOM was written because "Men have changed God's word and the BOM is here to restore it") versus what the Bible accuratley tells us. By this i conclude that Joseph Smith is a false prophet and the Morman faith is a false religion.
@metal3468 Have you read the BOM? It is not an "expansion of what man wanted the Bible to say" or to replace the bible because it is innacurate. The BOM is another testament of Christ, a second witness, a record of God's dealings with the people on the American continent. Mormons believe the Bible to be the word of God, to be sacred scripture, to be a record of God's dealings with Israel, and it includes his word, the life of our Savior, his teachings and his atonement. We only state that
If you are a Christian but do not know alot of scriptures in the Bible, atleast learn the main points of the Gospel of Jesus Christ...not putting anyone down who does not know scripture I'm just saying there will be confrontations on what you know and occasionally what you don't know, like the video above...
So is any mormon arguing that Jesus is God? I've read they believe in tritheism but not trinity, oh yes we can be gods in mormonism haha, look you have to debunk smith to get to these people, smith, bringem young etc taught things like polygamy that the church rejects now b/c they caved to public pressure. It has nothing to do with right/wrong but pc. Enough said, if smith errored in such a major way why believe anything else God "told" him? The book of mormon has also been changed many times?
The person Jesus was a man but Jesus Christ was God. What made the person Jesus a God was the indwelling of the Father, who is God. You become a Son of God when you receive the Gift of the Holy Ghost. This is literally a spiritual birth that Jesus brought and made available. The same "breath of life" that Jesus gave his disciples per John 20:22 was the exact same "breath of life" that was given to Adam that made him a "living soul". You have rejected this "breath of life".
wwooow I just lost track of religion... So mormons think Jesus is God? and Christians think he is son of God, holy spirit and other, Muslims think of Jesus as a prophet only... But they all have the same moral and history... the only thing that seems to vary is interpretation.... They seem to have the same 'bible' this stuff is complicated!
Mormoms are not Christians! Jesus gives us the right as Christians to judge those who add too and take away from God's word the Bible. (Gal. 1) If any man preaches anything other than that which is in the Bible he will be cursed.....
The Book of Mormon is a Lie of Joe Smith and his little god the Devil. Jesus is Lord, he is God, he is the Holy Spirit, He is Diety, There is only one God, no other God's before him. Jesus is Lord over all.
You anti-LDS folks are in for a real treat. The Lord's ultimate final servant, sent to prepare the way for his return is about to come forth. The "mighty one," the Lord speaks of in D&C 85:7, has been born in these last days and is present among this mankind. He shall complete the restoration with bringing forth the Davidian throne and establishing it's soveriegnty upon the face of the earth. Kings and world leaders shall shut their mouths
@TheRockerInside Jesus did not start any church, Jesus was never a christian, He was a Jew His religion was Judaism, His followers started christianity
Jesus is not the God who said "let there be light." Jesus is the light, for in the beginning was the Word The first spoken word of God the Father that begins every thing is the statement "Let there be light" and obviously Jesus is our beginning for He is our alpha and our omega. Notice how all through Genesis chapter 1 it's Elohim (Heavenly Father) and then in Genesis chapter 2 verse 4 we switch to Yahveh Elohim (Lord God) who is specifically the pre-motal Jesus. He creates Adam and Eve.
@ThomasVanGillespie How about the fact that God said "I alone stretch out the heavens with my hands and lay the foundation" He didnt say Jesus and i Did all this, that the reason why the Jews are not buying christianity, it like an english man trying to teach an american how to be american, you cannot tell the Jewish people how to translate or interpret there own scriptures
@zipitup75 You need to understand; that when God the Father made the stars and said let them be for signs and for seasons, the next statement in Genesis is "and it was so." Well, who do you think took the stars that God the Father made, and then put them in their places in fullfillment of our Heavenly Father's desire for those stars to be for signs and for seasons. This is before any creatures or mankind have been created, so Jesus is taking care of business for the Father without any help
@ThomasVanGillespie Judaism began as a polytheistic religion, Elohim (Gods) created all then in the days of moses they switched over to monotheism, "I Am the lord your God worship no other Gods before me" "my name is jealous for i am a jealous God" why would God be jealous of non existing Gods? thats cus there were other Gods who helped in the creation. on to Jesus yes He helped in creating but the father is the one who is credited not Jesus, cus the father granted Him power to create
@zipitup75 The reason why Moses emphasizes that there is only one God of Isreal is because the silly Hebrews were actually envious of the pantheon of gods all the other nations had. Jesus is the one and only God created by our Father in Heaven and the Holy Ghost to redeem us. Jesus was the very pillar of fire that accompanied the host of Isreal in the wilderness. Again, our Heavenly Father entered into his rest in the evening of the 7th day. We are now in the day or "morning of the 7th day
@ThomasVanGillespie throughout scriptures God say i am a jealous God keep in mind "I" and He also said there is no one besides me nor will there be any other Gods after me, He mention nothing about a trinity, i will give you the benefit of the doubt because i think you made an honest mistake in saying Jesus is the one and only God "created" by the father but how can that be, unless you are polytheistic, my question is, is the father also God if so how can Jesus be the only God i'll try to PM
1st servant before the throne Michael (Adam), 3. 2nd servant Gabriel (Noah), 4. 3rd servant (Moses), 5. 4th servant (Elijah), 6. 5th servant John the Baptist, 7. 6th servant (Moroni), 8. 7th (Thomas Van Gillespi) and the 9th son to come forth is Lucifer (Satan). Since our Luciferian bloom became our greatest enemy, he's not really a brother anymore; he's a father-the father of all lies including this apostate christian "uncreated godpie sliced three ways." dogma crap. Jesus is the Lord God!!!
The truth is that our Father in Heaven created Jesus when He said "LET THERE BE LIGHT" The very next thing our Father in Heaven created in and through his only begotten was the first day of creation. On the sixth day all the spirits of our host of Mankind were created by our Heavenly Father The very spirit of our Lord was broken like bread and each individual particle became one of our individual spirits. The top nine sons of our Father in Heaven is 1. the Almighty Son , 2. the 1st servant
Satan (Lusifer) was not not a fallen Angel , God created the Angels without a free will meaning they are totally submissive to God , they can't disobey God in any way because they dont have a free will on the other hand Satan is from the creation of the Jinn as we know the Jinn and Human beings were created with a free will therefore they can choose whether to obey or disobey God which clearly shows that Satan could not have been a fallen Angel but he was a fallen Jinn
23 Don’t have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels. 24 And the Lord’s servant must not be quarrelsome but must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful.
i love the fact that he berates this guy for being deluded, and he recites the bible as proof...using words like "truth" and "facts" in reference to the bible...hilarious!!
no matter how much you argue with us Christians we win because his 3 in 1 Jesus is God plan and simple his the Great I AM his the beginning and the end, the alpha and the omega, the King of Kings the one that created the Heavens and the Earth flat out if you want the Truth! Read the whole Bible because thats the Truth there is nothing false on there not one bit.
J4sh3r 5 days ago
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UtahMormon90 2 weeks ago
Heh...this Kelly person says (and apparently believes) that Joseph Smith was only 13 years old when the BoM was "Written".
All he has to do is some simple math and see that Joseph was at least 17.
And by the time the "Final" version was complete he was older than J.K.Rowlings or J.R.R. Tolkien...both of whom could have written a better BoM narrative.
Ahhh...Mormons!...Screw 'Em!
Jesus will straighten 'em out at the White Throne.
Spend your energy reaching Lost people who know they are Lost.
hammerogod 3 weeks ago
After a couple of years of ministry to the Mormons I have found that Mormons are deluded because they want to be deluded.
They choose to ignore the huge differences between Mormonism and Christianity.
They choose to accept the LDS Doctrines, even when many of them know that those Doctrines are not Biblical.
Mormons are not "Poor deluded people", they are doing what they want to do with full willingness and knowledge in most cases.
They make the same bad choice every day.
Don't pity them.
hammerogod 3 weeks ago
LDS are a cult
jayhawk88z 4 weeks ago
@jayhawk88z
you are the spawn of satan.
Sk8er408 3 weeks ago
@Sk8er408 You're a brainwashed dick!
tattoodfreeek 3 weeks ago
@tattoodfreeek
You are a tattooed dullard.
Sk8er408 3 weeks ago
@Sk8er408 And you're a pathetic twat. You MORmON's should be shot.
tattoodfreeek 3 weeks ago
@tattoodfreeek
First. i'm not LDS... secondly your elementary play on words is lame... You are a dullard.
Sk8er408 3 weeks ago
@Sk8er408 And your and arrogant little fool, maybe you should start commenting on things you know about
tattoodfreeek 3 weeks ago
@tattoodfreeek
Like the gap between your teeth or your moms?
Sk8er408 3 weeks ago
@Sk8er408 better than the one between your ears you cock
tattoodfreeek 3 weeks ago
groan, can bolth of you just stuff it. let god worry abought who has the facts and let's worry abought what is going on with the people around you.oh by the way try to remeber wrath.
DraganHeartAmber 1 month ago
Poor Moses must have had a tough time, he probably thought Noah had a tough time too. then there was Paul and Peter that had a tough time too. Then there was Joseph Smith and Brigham Young, they had a tough time too.
scottwins2 1 month ago
“[God] never will institute an ordinance or give a commandment to His people that is not calculated in its nature to promote that happiness which He has designed, and which will not end in the greatest amount of good and glory to those who become the recipients of His law and ordinances.”
― Joseph Smith Jr.
scottwins2 1 month ago
Not only do the activities of the mormon temple differ from the references of the Bible but they degrade them as well.
The lds church is a corporation where Christian churches are not. The lds church and their so called priests can remove salvation from people and remove people from the church, while the real true Church the CHRISTIAN CHURCH cannot, that is GOD'S decision.
WOULD YOU WANT TO BE CALLED A CHRISTIAN IF YOU WERE PUT TO DEATH AND ABUSED?MORMONS DO NOT GET PERSECUTED
MrBigbear6718 1 month ago
“I am a lover of the cause of Christ and of virtue, chastity, and an upright, steady course of conduct and a holy walk. I despise a hypocrite or a covenant breaker. I judge them not; God shall judge them according to their works. I am a lover even of mine enemies, for an enemy seeketh to destroy openly. I can pray for those who despitefully use and persecute me, but for all I cannot hope.”
― Joseph Smith Jr.
scottwins2 1 month ago
@scottwins2:
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. Gal1:8
―Holy Spirit(God)
What is your book called???
The Book of Mormon: Another Testament of Christ = ANOTHER GOSPEL
"..let him be accursed."
Don't quote a false prophet Joe Joe Smithy next to the Word of God
SuperDonster 1 month ago
@SuperDonster Sorry you can't tell me what to do. “The Book of Mormon is the most correct of any book on this Earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding by its precepts, than any other book.”
― Joseph Smith Jr., The Book of Mormon
scottwins2 1 month ago
@scottwins2 You keep quoting a lost man, Joe Joe Smithy, and I'll keep quoting the Word of God, the Lord Jesus Christ Almighty.
That we [henceforth] be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, [and] cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive Eph4:14 If you're a Christian, then lets open up the Bible and start talking about what you believe vs what the Word of God says. Nobody cares what Joe Joe Smithy has to say.
SuperDonster 1 month ago
@SuperDonster “I am a lover of the cause of Christ and of virtue, chastity, and an upright, steady course of conduct and a holy walk. I despise a hypocrite or a covenant breaker. I judge them not; God shall judge them according to their works. I am a lover even of mine enemies, for an enemy seeketh to destroy openly. I can pray for those who despitefully use and persecute me, but for all I cannot hope.” Joseph Smith Jr.
scottwins2 1 month ago
@scottwins2 :For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works. ―Holy Spirit (God) 2Cor11:13-15
SuperDonster 1 month ago
@twocentsin6 I guess, MOSES was really miss guided then, a murderer! Paul too I suppose. How dare Samuel in the Bible say God spoke to him! God could not have the power to do that! People think and say what you will, Prophets lived that were good ones then and now you folks just always say they are all of the devil..
scottwins2 1 month ago
MORMON CHURCH (NO) Its THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS
There is a clue in the title who is our leader. its not Romney, or Harry Reed or John Huntsman or Joseph Smith.
scottwins2 1 month ago
It says in Galatians that even if an angel comes to you and prevents a different gospel they should be regarded as lost? That basically debunks mormonism...
bammc19 1 month ago
I love this guy
Junebugg573 1 month ago
how can a book created by a man be put on the same playing field as the BIBLE.
MrBigbear6718 1 month ago
@MrBigbear6718 Because The Bible was also created by men. Many Greek philosopers actually. It appears you haven't read the book you refer to.
scottwins2 1 month ago
A mis-titled video as Mormons are Christians. It's like saying protestant vs christian, lol.
humanistheart 1 month ago
@humanistheart Sir my LDS faith is not here to amuse you nor does your mocking resemble Christs teachings. I guess you haven't really thought about the name of the Church, its The Church of JESUS CHRIST OF Latter Day Saints. Here is the ceter of our lives.
scottwins2 1 month ago
@scottwins2 I went back on the last few pages, never saw anything I've written. Why are you addressing your comment to me?
humanistheart 1 month ago
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@humanistheart This is what you said, It appears you were having some fun. "A mis-titled video as Mormons are Christians. It's like saying protestant vs christian, lol."
scottwins2 1 month ago
Orthodoxs believe that God is 3 Persons and Mormons believe in 3 gods. Whose worst? :P
kyzersoze74 2 months ago
@kyzersoze74 Your statemnt is not True, Orthathdoxy do believe in 3 Gods yet they are One. LDS people believe that Christ prayed to his Father in Heaven when he was is The Garden of Gethsemene. LDS don't believe in a Crhist that prays to himself. Trinity? Intereasting you call God 3. That God must be a confused sole.
scottwins2 1 month ago
Who si this mormon, why u didn't call me instead? The guy at the phone doesnt know the gospel correctly. I'm sure there were better choices than he
rickymontero 2 months ago
guy on the phone is a noob -_-
lesliewoodson 2 months ago
Sir, we are Christians, and we have the freedom to believe in whatever we want. By the way this guy keeps track of who is or is not a Christian. he is the one to judge Christians. Sorry buddy i will submit him my Christian registration for his approval, then maybe i can be a Christian.
1firsvy 2 months ago
@1firsvy Mormon are not christians
jayhawk88z 2 months ago
I wonder why this guy, left the ONLY AND TRUE GOSPEL. Maybe he wanted to do something God did not allow, and he did not like it
1firsvy 2 months ago
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@twocentsin6 No unhallowed hand can stop the work from progressing. Persecutions may rage, mobs may combine, armies may assemble, calumny may defame. But the truth of God will go forth boldly, nobly, and dependent till it has penetrated every continent, visited every clime, swept every country, and sounded in every ear, until the purposes of God shall be accomplished and the Great Jehovah will say, ‘The work is done
1firsvy 2 months ago
Brigham Young, Blood Atonement Sermon: Journal of Discourses Vol. 3, p. 243-249 "Suppose you found your brother in bed with your wife, and put a javelin through both of them, you would be justified, and they would atone for their sins, and be received into the kingdom of God. I would at once do so in such a case; and under such circumstances, I have no wife whom I love so well that I would not put a javelin through her heart, and I would do it with clean hands".
TheSoulamore 3 months ago
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@TheSoulamore No unhallowed hand can stop the work from progressing. Persecutions may rage, mobs may combine, armies may assemble, calumny may defame. But the truth of God will go forth boldly, nobly, and dependent till it has penetrated every continent, visited every clime, swept every country, and sounded in every ear, until the purposes of God shall be accomplished and the Great Jehovah will say, ‘The work is done
1firsvy 2 months ago
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TheSoulamore 3 months ago
@twocentsin6 AMEN!
TheSoulamore 3 months ago
@twocentsin6 Yes, some scary stuff. Thank you, Its nice to meet you :)
TheSoulamore 3 months ago
@twocentsin6 I am glad too :) Both my parents, two brothers and three sisters of mine are still devout believers. Only one sister of mine found Jesus along side me. My father told her to repent. These people dont even care if people find Jesus if the church doesnt get any credit. Love with conditions! Thats not the right gospel.
TheSoulamore 3 months ago
@twocentsin6 I love that! Praise God.
TheSoulamore 3 months ago
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TheSoulamore 3 months ago
Dude you are awesome, you know your stuff, keep it up, GOD BLESS
KiLlMoE3 3 months ago
thank you for your videos=)
9v0a0i 3 months ago
You know, the first time I watched one of his videos, my first impression is "Man this guy is mean and does he really have to talk that loud? He's such a big mouth!" But after watching a couple more and listening to Mormons stumbling and confused upon the truth of the Bible, I start to understand why he needs to yell at them, because they have wandered so far from the real Jesus Christ.
Inspireflyer 3 months ago 4
I'm confused weather they r or not.... I need to read morw
pruster1 4 months ago
Those mormons are very stubborns, they can can the truth. Do they really believe that Lucifer/Satan is their spiritual brother? They r not christians.
EZASOMO 4 months ago
Jesus Christ, my Lord, my God.
mormonism is not a christian religion, it is polytheism.
AnnymsVoice 4 months ago
OH WUD YOU SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!!!
zaking 5 months ago
Mormonism, good people guided by the misguided! It's sad!!!
Great video, thank you for posting!!!
tattoodfreeek 5 months ago 13
@tattoodfreeek I don't feel misguided at all, why would you say that? I just don't believe in the Neo Platoistic God of so called Christianity today. "The One"
scottwins2 1 month ago
@scottwins2 So you deny the God of the Bible, which would be classed as blasphemy. And seeing as the God of Christianity hasn't changed, what makes you thing that the god of the Mormon cult is better? They aren't the same God, just like you worship a Mormon Christ. Both are false.
tattoodfreeek 1 month ago
@tattoodfreeek I in the God of the Bible. why Moses & Joseph? Why do you say we are a cult? That is a joke, LDS don't blindly follow, we don't use psychodelic drugs, we don't chant, we dont put tattoos on our bodies, we don't worship snakes, nor let cows wonder in our streets.
There is the Baptist Church, Methodist, Catholic, Lutheran, Episcapal, Presbaterian. All believing God is different, Yet The only one with Christs name you despise. The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter Day Saints.
scottwins2 1 month ago
@scottwins2 No, you blindly follow a church that is the brain child of a con man, a polygamist and a plagiarist. You believe in the writings of someone who claimed to be visited by an Angel, no sorry, Jesus, no sorry, God and Jesus, heck, he couldn't make his mind up.
And so because the Mormons decide to put Christ in the naming of their church, makes it the true church? What about Jehovah Witnesses??
tattoodfreeek 1 month ago
When Jesus comes back after the resurrection, one of the disciples said to him, MY LORD, MY GOD. And Jesus did not correct him, he didnt say "dont call me God". Jesus is God in the flesh.
labartic 5 months ago
They do realize that both of their fairy tales are ridiculous? No? Guess I'm not that lucky.
ideasarebulletpr00f 5 months ago
He's a bit harsh on the Mormons. Hey check out way of the master Mormonism. That will expose how much of a faulse prophet Joseph smith was its bluntly obvious
mamainmancj 5 months ago
Shawn - "I feel like a woman sometimes LOL
theshakter 5 months ago
@theshakter That was damn funny!!
tattoodfreeek 5 months ago
Hebrews 1:5 For unto which of the angels said, he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son. 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
s25598 6 months ago
Jesus said that He is the only way to God..
Joseph Smith says he's the only way to Jesus.
Give me a break
scrollonanarrow 6 months ago
Why is it so hard for them to take the challenge of just getting on their knees and praying out to God for Him to reveal truth to them. It's crazy. It's like they are afraid of God helping them?? I don't get it. God help the Mormon people come to Your truth.....not this fabricated cheap version created by evil men.
ranchopeanutz67 6 months ago
@ranchopeanutz67 The problem is that you only accept one answer to the test. Some people have felt the answer is "No, it's not true" while others have said they don't feel anything. The Church just insists you pray over and over and over until you get the answer they want. Also, why doesn't the Bible tell us to pray to know if it's true? Maybe the test isn't as valid as you believe it is.
Nepthu 6 months ago
Remember these people make their living on attacking other Churches. We in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints are mainly volunteers .
mollymu1 6 months ago
@mollymu1 Did you know that the Encyclopedia or Mormonism says that the Prophet gets a "modest wage" for his time? It's something most LDS don't even know.
Nepthu 6 months ago
Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
gfscarface13 2 months ago
@gfscarface13 I am a so called Mormon, Its the same Gospel as the Bible and Galations for sure that I know.
scottwins2 1 month ago
@peaceliberty4all I know you, are quick to ask question's but are afraid to answer them. Your are lost and I pray you find Christ and come to know Him! John 3 : 3-16 and then look at the unwhite washed history of the church you hold up as being the only true church. It is the only true church extablished with false prophacy ! You make bold statements , then tuck your tail like a wolf and hide! Is that how you gain your testamony ? Your faith like your sacrament seem's to be watered down!
pappyforyou 6 months ago
Shawn i've been watching your videos alot and they've helped alot about God and my religion :)) keep up the good work and God bless you sir..
pesonally am an anti-mormon also because i find their views very ignorant and opposing to what our scripture says. cheers peace sir :)
omnipotentKimchi 6 months ago
@pappyforyou "think about it you know everything I said is true"
Very little of what you said is true.
peaceliberty4all 6 months ago
#5 War in Heaven Never seeing the sin they hold in their own pridefilled heart's Again Moroni 10:32. is that you ? IE Satan was cast out for wanting the same gospel Joe claim's is an abomniation. Yet here he bring's a wonderful gospel in which all will be saved except those who deny Joe being a prophet. Go ahead trust Joe, God needed him to save His gospel, doubt Christ is who He said He is! John 3:16 is Joe calling Christ a blasphamer ? Is Christ is supporting Satan in his work's there?
pappyforyou 6 months ago
#4 War in Heaven and if you don't have a chance here on earth to accept this gospel. Mormon's who are worthy will do your work and you'll be saved by these ordinances (a simple plan to save all even those who do no work here on earth ) Which is what Satan and his minion's said they wanted. By Joe's own mouth those thing's are taught.
And that is why it isn't a big deal to change the sacrament or have a temple where you do other's work's to save all makes you feel better about you!
pappyforyou 6 months ago
#3 War in Heaven that all must take on Joe's new ever lasting gospel (which has been altered to no end) and recieve him as their king or be damned ! Joe's gospel is laid out in D&C which includes a 10% tithe (so you will not burn) Yet Joe himself said hell was a glorious place that which there would be mass suicide if people only could see the glory that wait's there. then we have the temple. Bible say's Christ was the perfect sacrifice in Him it is finished! Joe say no you must do your part !
pappyforyou 6 months ago
#2 War in Heaven now Joe teach's that salvation alone by God's Grace is blasphamy!
That an angel of light bring's him an untampered with B.O.M in which is Bible truth's lost is now been loosed to set thing's right by a book that set's into ? your secert temple right's (those pesky gadiantons). This Ignoring of scripture is sinister. Jesus alway''s said it is written . Showing us we can trust His Word. Joe say's trust your feeling's. Notice how Joe said do as I say, not as I do ?
pappyforyou 6 months ago
@pappyforyou Why do you bare false witness about the things you just posted?
peaceliberty4all 6 months ago
@peaceliberty4all #2 A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him; but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet...When they can get rid of me, the devil will also go." (History of the Church, Vol. 6, p. 408, 409) I guess I know a little more than you about the man you followed from God! think about it you know everything I said is true.
pappyforyou 6 months ago
I say Christ is the Messiah and the Savior of the world and you give me Hebrews 4? Yes, I know he is more than that but why can't you stick to the point instead of going off on all these tangents?
The war in heaven was won, Satan and his followers were cast out. But yes the same type of war for the souls of man continues here on earth.
peaceliberty4all 6 months ago
#! War in Heaven, Joesph taught that was a a counsel to decide who would be the redeemer. The bible clearly states that Christ is God, Joe teaches then a war broke out because some didn't want to follow Jesus as the redeemer. Joe teaches that Satan and his minion's wanted all who pass through mortality no matter what they did on earth. To return to the Father (God) Those rebelling angels were cast down to earth, and this war is st9ill going on. Leading us to believe the war is not won.
pappyforyou 6 months ago
Joseph Smith didn't "save the scriptures from satan" & he isn't held up as a greater prophet then Christ. FYI Christ isn't a prophet but the Messiah, the Savior of the world
& why do U keep asking if Moroni 10:32 is me? U make no sense
peaceliberty4all 6 months ago
@peaceliberty4all read the Bible Hebrew's 4:1-4 he is the more than a messiah, more than a savior! Joe put Him in a box tried to make Him his puppet! Explain the war in Heaven, tell me your side! But If you don't that's fine I'll post it up word for word! What's funny your tryinjg to pin me on revelation's Christ's prophacing to John of the thing's to come to pass. Check His record against Joe's, Christ has evidence's Joe's has explaination why it never came to pass. an there are a lot's!
pappyforyou 6 months ago
Once again I see I won't be getting an answer to my question.
peaceliberty4all 6 months ago
you have your answer now tell me why Joseph and Satan teach the same thing's one get's punished the other rewarded. And don't tell me I don't understand, I know Joe's war in heaven and how grace alone is an abomination! So please enlighten me on how Joe was needed yo save the scriptures from satan, then why he takes on the same teaching's as a restored gospel ! And is sang praise too, and held up as even a greater prophet than the one Christ ! History of the Church, Vol. 6, p. 408, 409 ?????
pappyforyou 6 months ago
Colossians !:16 For by Him were all thing's created, that are in Heaven , and that are in earth, visable and invisable, whether they be thrones, or domions, or principalities, or powers: All thing's were created by him and for Him - Col 1:17 And He is before all thing's and by Him all thing's consist. That's how Satan came into being just like all the other angels he like some other want to be elevated and become equal to God!
pappyforyou 6 months ago
@pappyforyou FYI Colossians is NOT an interpretation of Revelations and no where did you tell me what you thought Revelations was saying you only told me what you thought mormons believed it was saying which I already pointed out you were wrong about. Never did you answer my question about Revelations.
peaceliberty4all 6 months ago
#2 and thus revelation 12: 7-11 a war in Heaven, Betweent those who would take God;s glorey for themselves and those who would have you worship them instead! So see your wrong peaceliberty4all Col does have to do with the war in Heaven it explain's the part's the angel's play in Heaven (they were created for His pleasure) and serves as a warning to those who think they are worthy of being worshipped. God will not tolerate such pride filled being's in His presence. moroni 10:32 is that you ?
pappyforyou 6 months ago
@pappyforyou That really doesn't answr the ? I posed & Col explaining how Satan came into being or the part the angel's play really isn't an answer to my question.
Tell me where it says that Joseph Smith & Satan taught the same things & 1 got punished the other rewarded & I will try to answer.
peaceliberty4all 6 months ago
because they felt things had to be a certain way.
peaceliberty4all 6 months ago
we believe the bible as far as it is translated correctly because of the many translations of the bible, the many changes individuals have made which have changed the meaning. The BOM does not contradict the Bible nor does it replace it.
peaceliberty4all 6 months ago
@peaceliberty4all Joesph elevated Satan, to bringer of the good new's (the fall) instead of the great deciever ! Why would God cast satan into Hell fire for doing such a wonderful work ! Joesph made the same claim, that ye may become gods and is glorified ? THat's why L.D.S sacrament is water and levened bread they scoff at the blood of Christ and invite blasphamy in as worship!
pappyforyou 6 months ago
@pappyforyou Thanks for responding. You clearly do not understand what mormons believe though. And can you tell me how you interpret Revelations 12:7-11. Thanks
peaceliberty4all 6 months ago
@peaceliberty4all clarify for me please! Dosn't Joesph teach you may become god's with your own world? Didn't Satan tell Eve you will become as god's Don't L.D.S take water instead of wine * ? And levened bread instead of unlevened which represent's sin?
. Let's settle this before we go on! I'm interested in Truth are you?
pappyforyou 6 months ago
@pappyforyou Romans 8:16The Spirit itself beareth awitness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: 17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
This is what we believe.Satan tempted and deceived Eve with half truths & there is nothing glorious or good about him.
Does it matter if it is water or wine or is the symbolism important? Pharisees & Saducees split hairs & judged
peaceliberty4all 6 months ago
@peaceliberty4all how did satan decieve Eve what half truth was it ? And yes it does matter? When you say you follow His example ? Joesph changed an example of Christ teaching's why ? Because emma tried to posion him over polygamy ! You just want a God that you can change to your will. As for Pharisees & Saducees split hairs & judged ! How is asking you to clarify your statement judging ? Jesus said He is the Truth and the Life! So far you haven't answered of my question's just hrugged it off !
pappyforyou 6 months ago
@pappyforyou I did answer your questions it is you who didn't answer mine. The pharisees and Saducees judged Christ for the things he did on the Sabbath, they judged pretty much everything he did because they didn't think it should be that way. Oh course Christ used wine and unleavened bread that was what was common for the day. The sacrament isn't about what kind of drink or bread you use but that they represent his body and blood which water and bread can do quite well.
peaceliberty4all 6 months ago
@peaceliberty4all We are talking about what Joesph taught on Satan , not what the pharisee's and saducees did. That's still the question. So answer it ! quit trying to go down a bunch of rabbit trails. Why did God give Joesph Godhood for doing the same thing Satan did yet Satan has Hell created for him and his minion's? Isn't that unjust at least? You can't even trust Christ can you ? You can't even give an answer that's honest. If Satan told half truths, Joesph they said the same thing!
pappyforyou 6 months ago
@pappyforyou 1st of all I'm not going down any "rabbit trails". Secondly you brought up the sacrament and my comments about Pharisees and Saducees had to do with that. 3rd I asked my question first and still have not gotten an answer even though I answered your questions, but it apparently wasn't the answer you wanted. 4th what you just stated about Joseph and Satan - I have no idea what you are talking about. Answer my question 1st, clarify yours and I'll do my best to answer it.
peaceliberty4all 6 months ago
@peaceliberty4all Thanks for responding. You clearly do not understand what mormons believe though. And can you tell me how you interpret Revelations 12:7-11.! @peaceliberty4all clarify for me please! Dosn't Joesph teach you may become god's with your own world? Didn't Satan tell Eve you will become as god's Don't L.D.S take water instead of wine * ? And levened bread instead of unlevened which represent's sin?
. Let's settle this before we go on! I'm interested in Truth are you?
pappyforyou 6 months ago
@peaceliberty4all Thanks for responding. You clearly do not understand what mormons believe though. And can you tell me how you interpret Revelations 12:7-11.! @peaceliberty4all clarify for me please! Dosn't Joesph teach you may become god's with your own world? Didn't Satan tell Eve you will become as god's Don't L.D.S take water instead of wine * ? And levened bread instead of unlevened which represent's sin? EH?
. Let's settle this before we go on! I'm interested in Truth are you?
pappyforyou 6 months ago
@pappyforyou Not sure why you are reposting this just to prove what I said was accurate. So Answer my question which I asked 1st, go back and read my response to your first questions, and then clarify your question in your last post and I will happily answer to the best of my ability. I have played this game with other christians they answer a question with a question then never end up answering my question so we will just go this route.
peaceliberty4all 6 months ago
@peaceliberty4all I asked you to clarify your statement of What Joepsh said as oppsed to Satan. To me you haven't shown anything other than Joesph did whatever he wanted. My point is your whole church is based on half truth's Stolen bible verse (the Truth) and Joesph's will Polygamy , blood atonement and Danites. None of which you'd claim as a fruit of mormonism but all of which are. Moroni 10:32 tell me is that you ?
pappyforyou 6 months ago
@pappyforyou Let me repeat since you seem to be having an issue with comprehension. Answer the question I asked you first about Revelations then I will address the question regarding Satan and Joseph.
peaceliberty4all 6 months ago
@peaceliberty4all a war that you had nothing to do with! What would you have been doing so noble with no body as a little spirit baby Joe's teachings not mine ! This is where skousen started teaching how God could fall ! Sorry you were not a valiant spirit in any preexistence/ Jesus said I AM from above you are from beneneth your following failable men with a false priesthood! Now explain why Joe's word is stronger than Jesus's would you please?
pappyforyou 6 months ago
@pappyforyou I asked you to tell me how you interpret Revelations 12:7-11 and what you think it is talking about. I did not ask you to tell me how you think I interpret it (which you are wrong by the way) or to insult me. Still waiting for you to answer my question.
peaceliberty4all 6 months ago
You've got to go by the facts, Kelly! Your book is wrong, my book is true. You believe in nonsense, I dont. You think a guy translated hieroglyphics on gold plates to English using a hat and stones where as I KNOW that in the olden days, there were talking snakes and talking burning bushes and a guy lived inside a whale! The facts, Kelly. You've got to go by the facts!!
iamadamsusername 6 months ago
That mormon is vomiting out what the mormon church has put in him at this man just as I used to vomit out science, evolution, and the big bang to everyone else. I thank God for being there for me and accepting me when I asked.
DavidTheDefender 7 months ago
@DavidTheDefender
that must be the best comment i have evr read ,
not too many actually admit that they were wrong ,
that takes guts ,GOD bless
roxfoot 7 months ago
@DavidTheDefender You're my new hero, David. I hate science. Down with evolution!! You know what else is utter rubbish? Gravity! What a load of shit that is! Dont even get me started on magnets!
iamadamsusername 6 months ago
Where did Satan come from Sean?
emersive 7 months ago
@emersive Kentucky
iamadamsusername 6 months ago
@emersive my ass, he is my baby ;)
lalablablaification 6 months ago
@emersive I asked one of my friends who went to Yale/Harvard in theology and I didn't get an answer from him either. Just general stuff that I had already supposed. I am sincerely looking for an answer about this. In traditional Christian theology where does Satan come from?
emersive 6 months ago
@emersive I can't count how many questions I have asked Christians and get no response. One of those being where do they believe Satan comes from? Would be nice to get a response.
peaceliberty4all 6 months ago
@peaceliberty4all When he became the embodiment of evil in prehistoric Eden, sin only existed on the spiritual level inside of him. Subsequently, he wanted to extend his might and domain. He wanted God and all the other angels to submit to his evil authority. He wanted to rule the universe. “For you said in your heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation I will be like the Most High.” - Isa. 14:13-14.
pappyforyou 6 months ago
that guy kelly is not a christian Jesus is God and he is not at all satans brother and that mormon guy knows how a real christian St JHON 8:32
triggerman60 7 months ago
I would like to know what "Christian's" believe about satan? Where do you believe he came from? People need to look up the definition of Christian because according to the definition which is a believer of Christ and follower of his teachings LDS are Christians. We beleive in the Bible, we worship the Christ of the new testament and we try to follow his teachings = Christians.
peaceliberty4all 7 months ago
@peaceliberty4all Well that's not entirely true. Mormons say that they "believe in the Bible as long as it's translated correctley" even though original transcripts have these verses (the inaccuracy of the Bible is why the Book of Morman "had to be written"):
"God cares about every one of his words. Every word of god is pure: He is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. Add thou not his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar." (Proverbs 30:5-6) cont...
metal3468 6 months ago
@metal3468 Cont. The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever. (Psalms 12:6-7)
See Also (Deuteronomy 4:1-2), (Mark 13:31), (Revelation 22:18-19), (Isaiah 40:8), Etc...
metal3468 6 months ago
@metal3468 To me thats sounds like god said his word would stay true.So when LDS see that what Joseph Smith wrote in the Book of Mormon contradicts the Bible, they say the Bible is "inaccurate".
metal3468 6 months ago
@metal3468 The book of mormon is an expansion of what man wanted the Bible to say (saying the BOM was written because "Men have changed God's word and the BOM is here to restore it") versus what the Bible accuratley tells us. By this i conclude that Joseph Smith is a false prophet and the Morman faith is a false religion.
metal3468 6 months ago
@metal3468 Sorry for all the posts but it kept saying error for leangth so i broke it up
metal3468 6 months ago
@metal3468 Have you read the BOM? It is not an "expansion of what man wanted the Bible to say" or to replace the bible because it is innacurate. The BOM is another testament of Christ, a second witness, a record of God's dealings with the people on the American continent. Mormons believe the Bible to be the word of God, to be sacred scripture, to be a record of God's dealings with Israel, and it includes his word, the life of our Savior, his teachings and his atonement. We only state that
peaceliberty4all 6 months ago
Boy, I love you Shawn!! I take off my pants and I see I am not a woman.
jk99611 7 months ago
If you are a Christian but do not know alot of scriptures in the Bible, atleast learn the main points of the Gospel of Jesus Christ...not putting anyone down who does not know scripture I'm just saying there will be confrontations on what you know and occasionally what you don't know, like the video above...
TheLegendaryNikko 7 months ago
So is any mormon arguing that Jesus is God? I've read they believe in tritheism but not trinity, oh yes we can be gods in mormonism haha, look you have to debunk smith to get to these people, smith, bringem young etc taught things like polygamy that the church rejects now b/c they caved to public pressure. It has nothing to do with right/wrong but pc. Enough said, if smith errored in such a major way why believe anything else God "told" him? The book of mormon has also been changed many times?
israelside 7 months ago
lied to by mormons now he is angry maybe it is just anger
myladyschild 7 months ago
He's arrogant!
JoshuaBeeLoved 7 months ago
@TheRockerInside I'm dealing with one of those "git 'er done" types, eh?
luomio 7 months ago
20% of the book of mormon repeats "and it came to pass"
more than the Bible that is x3 bigger and uses that phrase only 1.5%
once i read that book i got annoyed by that phrase, knowing the bible then reading the book of mormon? i knew that was not a divinely inspired book..
plus... jeremiah 17:9 just read that verse.... mormons always want you to ppray with your "sincere heart".
gattler 7 months ago
Mormons are cool, this guy is a dick he can shove his bible up his ass
riddlebrandan 7 months ago
Another fake caller pretending to be Mormon. Mormons are much better debaters than this guy.
luomio 8 months ago
The person Jesus was a man but Jesus Christ was God. What made the person Jesus a God was the indwelling of the Father, who is God. You become a Son of God when you receive the Gift of the Holy Ghost. This is literally a spiritual birth that Jesus brought and made available. The same "breath of life" that Jesus gave his disciples per John 20:22 was the exact same "breath of life" that was given to Adam that made him a "living soul". You have rejected this "breath of life".
jasonlwharton 8 months ago
wwooow I just lost track of religion... So mormons think Jesus is God? and Christians think he is son of God, holy spirit and other, Muslims think of Jesus as a prophet only... But they all have the same moral and history... the only thing that seems to vary is interpretation.... They seem to have the same 'bible' this stuff is complicated!
itsMA2607 8 months ago
Mormoms are not Christians! Jesus gives us the right as Christians to judge those who add too and take away from God's word the Bible. (Gal. 1) If any man preaches anything other than that which is in the Bible he will be cursed.....
The Book of Mormon is a Lie of Joe Smith and his little god the Devil. Jesus is Lord, he is God, he is the Holy Spirit, He is Diety, There is only one God, no other God's before him. Jesus is Lord over all.
WingsOfASnowhiteDove 8 months ago
belief is absolutely necessary for salvation, but don't forget that all must be baptized as well! Mark 16:16
unearthlydwarf 8 months ago
This is like watching a child fight a retarded person.
adam3251 9 months ago
You anti-LDS folks are in for a real treat. The Lord's ultimate final servant, sent to prepare the way for his return is about to come forth. The "mighty one," the Lord speaks of in D&C 85:7, has been born in these last days and is present among this mankind. He shall complete the restoration with bringing forth the Davidian throne and establishing it's soveriegnty upon the face of the earth. Kings and world leaders shall shut their mouths
ThomasVanGillespie 9 months ago
@TheRockerInside Jesus did not start any church, Jesus was never a christian, He was a Jew His religion was Judaism, His followers started christianity
zipitup75 9 months ago
Jesus is not the God who said "let there be light." Jesus is the light, for in the beginning was the Word The first spoken word of God the Father that begins every thing is the statement "Let there be light" and obviously Jesus is our beginning for He is our alpha and our omega. Notice how all through Genesis chapter 1 it's Elohim (Heavenly Father) and then in Genesis chapter 2 verse 4 we switch to Yahveh Elohim (Lord God) who is specifically the pre-motal Jesus. He creates Adam and Eve.
ThomasVanGillespie 9 months ago
@ThomasVanGillespie How about the fact that God said "I alone stretch out the heavens with my hands and lay the foundation" He didnt say Jesus and i Did all this, that the reason why the Jews are not buying christianity, it like an english man trying to teach an american how to be american, you cannot tell the Jewish people how to translate or interpret there own scriptures
zipitup75 9 months ago
@zipitup75 You need to understand; that when God the Father made the stars and said let them be for signs and for seasons, the next statement in Genesis is "and it was so." Well, who do you think took the stars that God the Father made, and then put them in their places in fullfillment of our Heavenly Father's desire for those stars to be for signs and for seasons. This is before any creatures or mankind have been created, so Jesus is taking care of business for the Father without any help
ThomasVanGillespie 9 months ago
@ThomasVanGillespie Judaism began as a polytheistic religion, Elohim (Gods) created all then in the days of moses they switched over to monotheism, "I Am the lord your God worship no other Gods before me" "my name is jealous for i am a jealous God" why would God be jealous of non existing Gods? thats cus there were other Gods who helped in the creation. on to Jesus yes He helped in creating but the father is the one who is credited not Jesus, cus the father granted Him power to create
zipitup75 9 months ago
@zipitup75 The reason why Moses emphasizes that there is only one God of Isreal is because the silly Hebrews were actually envious of the pantheon of gods all the other nations had. Jesus is the one and only God created by our Father in Heaven and the Holy Ghost to redeem us. Jesus was the very pillar of fire that accompanied the host of Isreal in the wilderness. Again, our Heavenly Father entered into his rest in the evening of the 7th day. We are now in the day or "morning of the 7th day
ThomasVanGillespie 9 months ago
@ThomasVanGillespie throughout scriptures God say i am a jealous God keep in mind "I" and He also said there is no one besides me nor will there be any other Gods after me, He mention nothing about a trinity, i will give you the benefit of the doubt because i think you made an honest mistake in saying Jesus is the one and only God "created" by the father but how can that be, unless you are polytheistic, my question is, is the father also God if so how can Jesus be the only God i'll try to PM
zipitup75 9 months ago
1st servant before the throne Michael (Adam), 3. 2nd servant Gabriel (Noah), 4. 3rd servant (Moses), 5. 4th servant (Elijah), 6. 5th servant John the Baptist, 7. 6th servant (Moroni), 8. 7th (Thomas Van Gillespi) and the 9th son to come forth is Lucifer (Satan). Since our Luciferian bloom became our greatest enemy, he's not really a brother anymore; he's a father-the father of all lies including this apostate christian "uncreated godpie sliced three ways." dogma crap. Jesus is the Lord God!!!
ThomasVanGillespie 9 months ago
The truth is that our Father in Heaven created Jesus when He said "LET THERE BE LIGHT" The very next thing our Father in Heaven created in and through his only begotten was the first day of creation. On the sixth day all the spirits of our host of Mankind were created by our Heavenly Father The very spirit of our Lord was broken like bread and each individual particle became one of our individual spirits. The top nine sons of our Father in Heaven is 1. the Almighty Son , 2. the 1st servant
ThomasVanGillespie 9 months ago
FUNNY
3457lkande1 10 months ago
when there is no proof you can just make shit up lol, I am he, you are both going to hell.
MrTattooConnection 10 months ago
He was letting the guy speak but they change the subject when he can't give him a direct answer
bobbyraejohnson 10 months ago
let the poor guy speak, jesus. although im athiest
BarcaLioMessi 11 months ago
If Jesus and Satan our brothers, do they have the same mother?
vcomp1960 11 months ago
Satan (Lusifer) was not not a fallen Angel , God created the Angels without a free will meaning they are totally submissive to God , they can't disobey God in any way because they dont have a free will on the other hand Satan is from the creation of the Jinn as we know the Jinn and Human beings were created with a free will therefore they can choose whether to obey or disobey God which clearly shows that Satan could not have been a fallen Angel but he was a fallen Jinn
falsehoodwillperish 11 months ago
@falsehoodwillperish how did you come to that conclusion?
1luv408 11 months ago
2 Timothy 2:23-24 (New International Version, ©2011)
23 Don’t have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels. 24 And the Lord’s servant must not be quarrelsome but must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful.
heavyladen1 11 months ago
Like all mormoms, when they are confronted with the truth, they stutter. MCcraney v Monson........ bring it on !!!!
martinh103 1 year ago
i new something was up when i went to a mormon church that they didn't have the bible
jake267 1 year ago
i love the fact that he berates this guy for being deluded, and he recites the bible as proof...using words like "truth" and "facts" in reference to the bible...hilarious!!
CrimsonDragonStar 1 year ago