@Hazboy666 yeah they were based on the Tangara's, From what I heard cityrail / railcorp bought a heap of them as 'parts trains" for the Tangara Fleet, Looks like Sydney is the Only place smart enough to utilise 3 leveled trains (upper lower and vestibule entrance) the one at the start looks like a NSW "G Set" Tangara, I've been on some of melbournes single deckers (and perths aswell) and there absolutly Crap, I'd rather ride an Old Red Rattler over the Melbourne and perth single deckers
I miss the 4D - I used to specifically catch this train on the way to Uni several years back! Was the nicest train to travel on and got lots of looks from the public :)
@DIMATIF The 4D (meaning Double Deck Development and Demonstration) was a prototype double deck electric multiple unit train built for the Public Transport Corporation of Melbourne, the state capital of Victoria, Australia. It remains the only double deck train ever to have run in Melbourne.
Gosh Melbourne have a lot of catching up to do... The single deck cars Melbourners cram into every day are suitable more for a Euro metro than a sprawling metropolis like Melb. The 4D project definitely had legs. There is a need for double decker trains in Melbourne, especially with population projections saying Melbourne will be bigger than Sydney by 2056.
@damoinaus the system cant cope as is, longer platforms, more carriages better tracks... everything needs to be improved not just the trains themselves.
I remember going on one thoses trains back in 1990s only once,it was surreal being inside one of them.Nowdays melbourne needs double-deker trains like this in 2010 because of its increased population but we did'nt need it back then.lol..Nice to see the old Spencer Street Station....
i do remember seeing one of them trains pass by in Melbourne sometime back, i cant remember what date and i do remember, but anyway, why did they have only one of them in Melbourne because we don't have any now? do you know where it came from and why it was in Melbourne?
The 4D was made by Goninan in the early 90's as a experiential train to see how a double decker train would run on the network. They were going to order a further 19 trains, but the order was canceled. The 4D was plagued with reliability issues, which saw it being stored at Bayswater for most of its life. Eventually the train got sold to Railcorp, who used the train for spare parts. All usable parts were removed, and the rest of the train was scrapped.
A) i think these trains along with the similar double deck ones in SYD are friggen ugly and B) WOW Southern Cross station (as it is now known) is so much beta now!
Tangara's were also in Melbourne, but due to its unreliability, it failed and soon scrapped and some parts were sent to Sydney to use in some Tangara's.
I am not fully sure why Melbourne does not like double deckers. Something to do with clearances, I guess. Sydney has been served well since 1970's with the exception of Millenium Software debacle and overloading of overhead electrical systems.
In my opinion, all trains on the Melbourne train network are buckets of magnificence, except for the stupid, hopeless, lemon Siemens. I heard that they are overshooting platforms again. In the opinion, they should reintroduce a double decker train again, because of the transport crises, even if it means widening tunnels.
This is an excellent video. This not only shows the 4D train in service, but the old Spencer street station before someone decided to put a roof and some escalators on it. I only saw the 4D once, in the city loop in the early 2000's so I guess it was its final days of service.
...are a rarity, and the 4D is now in the shelves of your local supermarket...being bought as knives and forks you use at your dinner table every night...
it was a real shame they scrapped this set the horns on it weren't half bad and it was a rarety you liked to see running thanks for covering the last runs of this weird yet interesting train.
The 4D was bought by RailCorp for parts which included seats, driver control stands, air conditioners doors etc. It's a shame that they didn't show incentive and bought the train to Sydney and included it into the Tangara fleet. The 4D in my opinion was a better looking train without the black glass panels between the upper and lower decks and they were the forerunner to the G sets.
ahhhh the Hitachi train... last time i remembered being on one was like 2 years ago if im correct.. or maybe it was remodel-ed.. being in the Hitachi was very different compared to our current X'Trapolis 100. its feels very unsafe as like you're riding on a rocky rollar coaster.
thanks so much for this video, it is a valuable piece of historic footage now, not only for the 4D but also for Spencer Street. Excellent work you have made my day seeing this.
See the video responses or look at my channel :) Unfortunately this series of clips is all I have of the 4D. I had a day off work, nothing better to do, so decided to tour around Melbourne looking for the 4D as I knew it's days were numbered.
Well I think Kennett did many good things, but he really hit rock bottom when closing many country railway lines, in favour of horrible buses and with scant regard to public opinion. Only money. Thank god much of the lines remain in tact & in govt hands. There is still hope for some of them. But crushed Hitachis & the 4D have no hope of coming back, and it really is a disgrace. The current state of affairs (Melb Cup day especially) shows Connex & Brumby are letting the public down badly...
Fcuk Labour they have made a mockery of our train network. Talk about graffiti vandalism, who cares about that???
What about scrapping and crushing the 4d, and most of the old Hitachi fleet??
An absolute disgrace, god damn Labour bureaucratic bell ends who wouldn't know their ass from their face. They have succeeded in ruining the network with their ticket system scandal and destroying half the rolling stock to replace it with xpensive overseas crap that doesn't even work properly.
The 4D was initially ordered by the Cain/Kirner ALP govt in the late 80's, with a further 19 ordered.
The order was cancelled by the Kennett LIB govt in 1992/3 as part of a greater cut back on public transport infrastructure (as evidenced by the closure of many country lines at the time).
The 4D being an orphan was expensive to keep in service and disliked by many drivers, hence it made economic sense to permanently remove it from service permanently.
great video. i've never even seen a 4d, ever. i was at southern cross today and i was trying to picture it before the redevelopment, but i just couldn't. I do remember it had tiled walls, and it was similarish to flinders, thats about it.
Hitachi trains, yes. Not the first ones though, that one goes to 27M which folded up in a heap after hitting a diesel locomotive in the 70s. 90M was also destroyed in the same way in 1989, by crashing into Comeng 320M (which somehow survived and is still in daily use under Connex).
spencer street looks so weird. i use to go to bayswater station everyday and i would see it in the yard next to the station. i wish we had got more 4d's and maybe a few tangaras- sydney has them we should be able to as well. i cant belive they scrapped most of the carrages-sell them off to collecters would of been better but too bad lol
Us people this side of Ringwood were lucky in a way, we had just about every single type of Melbourne train in service here except Siemens. It's a shame the preservation group didn't end up with it though, it wouldn't have hurt if their once-in-a-year railfan ride had to be pushed back to Newport by the following Comeng or X'Trapolis set. But, now it's in 12 pieces at Sims Metal or already recycled to make cans for Coles and Safeway.
The 4D running through Spencer Street is an express service running straight to Newport Workshop yards where it will sit there forever until put into the railway meseum as the biggest lemon ever introduced in our system. They looked good, their concept sound rosy, their breakdowns were all too common. Hooray for X'Traps. But bring back a few more Comeng's and Hitachi's. Great vid tho of 4D actually running by istelf and not being towed.
With all its flat glazed surfaces and angular lines and such, it really doesn't look like it should have run in Victoria. It just doesn't look right here.
That said though, still I think they should have kept it, even if it was to be put into storage until the museum had enough space for it.
They should have ordered more 4D Trains. If they did they wouldn't have had much problems because there would be parts around to fix them up if they broke. Plus they would have still been around today.
the 4D was essentially a Tangara, apart from the position of the headlights, the 4Ds were used for spare parts before being scrapped
JT2095 3 weeks ago
They Look Exactly like cityrails Tangara Train, Same doors and curved top window.
Hazboy666 5 months ago
@Hazboy666 yeah they were based on the Tangara's, From what I heard cityrail / railcorp bought a heap of them as 'parts trains" for the Tangara Fleet, Looks like Sydney is the Only place smart enough to utilise 3 leveled trains (upper lower and vestibule entrance) the one at the start looks like a NSW "G Set" Tangara, I've been on some of melbournes single deckers (and perths aswell) and there absolutly Crap, I'd rather ride an Old Red Rattler over the Melbourne and perth single deckers
my90tp 1 month ago
They looked like Sydney's T set trains.
RailBrisbaneTV 9 months ago
Missed those double deckers hehe
Ivalices85 10 months ago
And Telstra Dome is now Etihad Stadium
joe9320 11 months ago
It is sad to say it was scaped
trainguyrocks 1 year ago
Hitachi 104M arrives on platform 10 that was the first one scrapped
loloandmates 1 year ago
thanks for this, when i saw them sitting at the jolimont yards no one beleived me. now i have proof, thanks
cumfrog 1 year ago
Hello from Sydney, NSW, you bloody Victorians stole our tangara and called it the 4D
Anyway, it's not your fault! Does it still operate down there? It operates up here! Nice video though!
cityraildude 1 year ago
I miss the 4D - I used to specifically catch this train on the way to Uni several years back! Was the nicest train to travel on and got lots of looks from the public :)
HSDDTS 1 year ago
that aint no 4D its a T set
DIMATIF 1 year ago
@DIMATIF The 4D (meaning Double Deck Development and Demonstration) was a prototype double deck electric multiple unit train built for the Public Transport Corporation of Melbourne, the state capital of Victoria, Australia. It remains the only double deck train ever to have run in Melbourne.
rollie2001 1 year ago
@DIMATIF A G Set :) See the bottom. Its tapered inwards.
sydnytrainspotter 1 year ago
Gosh Melbourne have a lot of catching up to do... The single deck cars Melbourners cram into every day are suitable more for a Euro metro than a sprawling metropolis like Melb. The 4D project definitely had legs. There is a need for double decker trains in Melbourne, especially with population projections saying Melbourne will be bigger than Sydney by 2056.
damoinaus 1 year ago
@damoinaus the system cant cope as is, longer platforms, more carriages better tracks... everything needs to be improved not just the trains themselves.
rollie2001 1 year ago
I remember going on one thoses trains back in 1990s only once,it was surreal being inside one of them.Nowdays melbourne needs double-deker trains like this in 2010 because of its increased population but we did'nt need it back then.lol..Nice to see the old Spencer Street Station....
TheAxelay 2 years ago
Sydney tangaras are heeps better!
Bails992 2 years ago
i do remember seeing one of them trains pass by in Melbourne sometime back, i cant remember what date and i do remember, but anyway, why did they have only one of them in Melbourne because we don't have any now? do you know where it came from and why it was in Melbourne?
ashleybrient 2 years ago
The 4D was made by Goninan in the early 90's as a experiential train to see how a double decker train would run on the network. They were going to order a further 19 trains, but the order was canceled. The 4D was plagued with reliability issues, which saw it being stored at Bayswater for most of its life. Eventually the train got sold to Railcorp, who used the train for spare parts. All usable parts were removed, and the rest of the train was scrapped.
Abus709 2 years ago
A) i think these trains along with the similar double deck ones in SYD are friggen ugly and B) WOW Southern Cross station (as it is now known) is so much beta now!
Beanseventeen 2 years ago
What year did you take this video?
melb223 2 years ago
Was 104M coming from the City Loop?
moiz1968 2 years ago
wow the old spencer street brings back so many memories ... i used to go on the overland alot =X lol
Banez1991 2 years ago 2
Was that a Tangara?
5233andy 2 years ago
no it was a 4D
AusTrainSpotter1 2 years ago
Tangara's were also in Melbourne, but due to its unreliability, it failed and soon scrapped and some parts were sent to Sydney to use in some Tangara's.
MavmanFilms 2 years ago
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fcuk, they should have scrapped those damn old Hitachi trains instead. can't stand em...
LXRyan 2 years ago
I am not fully sure why Melbourne does not like double deckers. Something to do with clearances, I guess. Sydney has been served well since 1970's with the exception of Millenium Software debacle and overloading of overhead electrical systems.
See my Sutherland video showing most of our DD.
PROFLOP1 2 years ago
thats the uglys tangara an thats a shame to see it like this tangara why r u killing it what did the tangara do to u ??
GayBoyRunning 2 years ago
0:00 - 1:00 is that the 4d? why is it called that? In sydney there called tangaras! Heaps weird
Ivecofan09 2 years ago
4D = Double Deck Development Demonstration Train, If you look thers is Four D's in that text above so that what 4D stands for (:
wiv098 2 years ago
4 Ds or 2 double Ds as i have known them to be called back in school. getting to ride home from school on one was like winning the train raffle.
sealedjono 2 years ago
When was this video taken?
melb223 2 years ago
So that is now Southern Cross Station ....
OMG Times have Changed
THElolMister 2 years ago
wow spencer street has grown up in 10 years :) i can't even remember it being that small.
joshdrummer1223 2 years ago
In my opinion, all trains on the Melbourne train network are buckets of magnificence, except for the stupid, hopeless, lemon Siemens. I heard that they are overshooting platforms again. In the opinion, they should reintroduce a double decker train again, because of the transport crises, even if it means widening tunnels.
Abus709 2 years ago
what year did you film that?
dvasil987 3 years ago
Glen Waverley Hitachi Train!
limchia 3 years ago
This is an excellent video. This not only shows the 4D train in service, but the old Spencer street station before someone decided to put a roof and some escalators on it. I only saw the 4D once, in the city loop in the early 2000's so I guess it was its final days of service.
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jonnypat 3 years ago
...are a rarity, and the 4D is now in the shelves of your local supermarket...being bought as knives and forks you use at your dinner table every night...
it was a real shame they scrapped this set the horns on it weren't half bad and it was a rarety you liked to see running thanks for covering the last runs of this weird yet interesting train.
lilgunzel761 3 years ago 2
it says hillside in the train ive never seen these train before in melbourne they look like the dont belong here
embce 3 years ago
I Believe the 4D was actually brought to NSW, as they are here as tangara trains and have been since the late 1980's into the mid 1990's
budgetboi 3 years ago
The 4D was bought by RailCorp for parts which included seats, driver control stands, air conditioners doors etc. It's a shame that they didn't show incentive and bought the train to Sydney and included it into the Tangara fleet. The 4D in my opinion was a better looking train without the black glass panels between the upper and lower decks and they were the forerunner to the G sets.
B10Mman 2 years ago
ahhhh the Hitachi train... last time i remembered being on one was like 2 years ago if im correct.. or maybe it was remodel-ed.. being in the Hitachi was very different compared to our current X'Trapolis 100. its feels very unsafe as like you're riding on a rocky rollar coaster.
HaichDog 3 years ago
Excellent video, great historical significance, even if it is very modern history!!!
Quest1989 3 years ago
They could have converted it into a tram
martsutube 3 years ago
Or a shed panel
Quest1989 3 years ago
thanks so much for this video, it is a valuable piece of historic footage now, not only for the 4D but also for Spencer Street. Excellent work you have made my day seeing this.
Do you have any more great footage like this?
martsutube 3 years ago
See the video responses or look at my channel :) Unfortunately this series of clips is all I have of the 4D. I had a day off work, nothing better to do, so decided to tour around Melbourne looking for the 4D as I knew it's days were numbered.
mykimelbourne 3 years ago
Well I think Kennett did many good things, but he really hit rock bottom when closing many country railway lines, in favour of horrible buses and with scant regard to public opinion. Only money. Thank god much of the lines remain in tact & in govt hands. There is still hope for some of them. But crushed Hitachis & the 4D have no hope of coming back, and it really is a disgrace. The current state of affairs (Melb Cup day especially) shows Connex & Brumby are letting the public down badly...
martsutube 3 years ago
Fcuk Labour they have made a mockery of our train network. Talk about graffiti vandalism, who cares about that???
What about scrapping and crushing the 4d, and most of the old Hitachi fleet??
An absolute disgrace, god damn Labour bureaucratic bell ends who wouldn't know their ass from their face. They have succeeded in ruining the network with their ticket system scandal and destroying half the rolling stock to replace it with xpensive overseas crap that doesn't even work properly.
martsutube 3 years ago
I think I need to correct this one...
The 4D was initially ordered by the Cain/Kirner ALP govt in the late 80's, with a further 19 ordered.
The order was cancelled by the Kennett LIB govt in 1992/3 as part of a greater cut back on public transport infrastructure (as evidenced by the closure of many country lines at the time).
The 4D being an orphan was expensive to keep in service and disliked by many drivers, hence it made economic sense to permanently remove it from service permanently.
mykimelbourne 3 years ago 2
great video. i've never even seen a 4d, ever. i was at southern cross today and i was trying to picture it before the redevelopment, but i just couldn't. I do remember it had tiled walls, and it was similarish to flinders, thats about it.
mzcrazyhunnii 3 years ago
Wow, that's a rarity. Cool to see one of those on the Melbourne network and what Spencer Street used to look like before it was refurbished.
survivorfreak 3 years ago
It's the Tangara Melbourne Remix.
MavmanFilms 3 years ago
omfg! melbourne copied cityrail! down with the 4d
Strawberrymint460 3 years ago
i personally think they should be in service and fitted properaly with the melbourne suburb lines instead of been munufactured like the sydney ones.
mattmanroxs 3 years ago
the car number are: 104M, 1939T, 169M and also the first scrapped.
moiz1968 3 years ago
Hitachi trains, yes. Not the first ones though, that one goes to 27M which folded up in a heap after hitting a diesel locomotive in the 70s. 90M was also destroyed in the same way in 1989, by crashing into Comeng 320M (which somehow survived and is still in daily use under Connex).
Heihachi73 3 years ago
the 4D seems much nicer than both X'trapolis and siemens too bad i wasen't able to go on it :(
trainz10 3 years ago
spencer street looks so weird. i use to go to bayswater station everyday and i would see it in the yard next to the station. i wish we had got more 4d's and maybe a few tangaras- sydney has them we should be able to as well. i cant belive they scrapped most of the carrages-sell them off to collecters would of been better but too bad lol
ArtistDestroy 3 years ago
Us people this side of Ringwood were lucky in a way, we had just about every single type of Melbourne train in service here except Siemens. It's a shame the preservation group didn't end up with it though, it wouldn't have hurt if their once-in-a-year railfan ride had to be pushed back to Newport by the following Comeng or X'Trapolis set. But, now it's in 12 pieces at Sims Metal or already recycled to make cans for Coles and Safeway.
Heihachi73 3 years ago
You are lucky you dont get Siemens in Ringwood
xtrapheaven 3 years ago
In Sydney's thought, the day of tangara scrapping will be a day of celebration
ThroughWestMail 3 years ago
@ThroughWestMail Its going to be a long while....... they did modded some tangaras up
MrChowTheTroll 5 months ago
when was this shot?
wekwafe 3 years ago
im guessing sometime in december 2002
warcat08 3 years ago
that early? wow
wekwafe 3 years ago
The 4D running through Spencer Street is an express service running straight to Newport Workshop yards where it will sit there forever until put into the railway meseum as the biggest lemon ever introduced in our system. They looked good, their concept sound rosy, their breakdowns were all too common. Hooray for X'Traps. But bring back a few more Comeng's and Hitachi's. Great vid tho of 4D actually running by istelf and not being towed.
xtrapolis777 3 years ago
yeah m8
hooray for hitachi's comeng's xtraps
boo 4D boo Siemens vomet trains
loookatme123 3 years ago
Right there with you mate! Banish that crappy 4D back to Sydney!
Forthevline 3 years ago
were they will tip over
loookatme123 3 years ago
the only thing it seems that hasn't changed, is the P.A announcer staff :P
musicalaviator 3 years ago
Yea! He was at Southern Cross this morning! lol!
xtrapheaven 3 years ago
With all its flat glazed surfaces and angular lines and such, it really doesn't look like it should have run in Victoria. It just doesn't look right here.
That said though, still I think they should have kept it, even if it was to be put into storage until the museum had enough space for it.
cipher124 3 years ago
i'd rather the hitachi than the ugly 4D
loookatme123 3 years ago
They should have ordered more 4D Trains. If they did they wouldn't have had much problems because there would be parts around to fix them up if they broke. Plus they would have still been around today.
G516R700 3 years ago
the tunnels were'nt big enough
loookatme123 3 years ago
when were these trains added to the system?
wekwafe 3 years ago
sydneys were introduced in 1988-95
so melbournes one is prob around the same
but sydney has 500 and melb only had 1
clubpenguin777 3 years ago
the 4D was made in 1992
rockdacity18 3 years ago
Wow! Very nice video! =D
aznramon168 3 years ago