cool video. i get it! but seeing as how you are diligently answering questions, i have one-- what is your technique for isolating the higher limb to cinch without also capturing the lower limb(s)? multiple throwlines and bags? seems tricky when the limbs are so close and directly above each other. i am discovering thaqt getting the rope set where you want it is an art in itself.
Thanks! You are right. It gets to be an art sometimes. There are a number of methods that can be used to isolate a limb that really work well.
It's really hard to describe them in words, but that's a great topic. I will post some vids of limb isolation techniques as soon as I can. Next couple of weeks maybe.
Ahhh, I'm with you now. I pull the rope up and over the limb and back down to me. I attach a screw link to one end of the rope with either an anchor or scaffold hitch. Then I open the screw link and form a lasso by putting the longer part of the rope in the screw link and then I close the screw link. I attach a pull-down line and then pull the rope up to cinch the limb.
If that's not what you're looking for, send me another comment. We'll get there.
seems a bit over kill, just use a taughtline system and load test the branch before you set off (lift your self a few inches off the ground and get a mate to sit on you, this puts your weight and his on the limb) its alot simpler, quicker and safer
You're the second one that has completely missed the point of the video. It is not about climbing methods or techniques; it is about climbing on a very small limb and to have a totally independent self-belay line. If I were just climbing a tree for the sake of climbing a tree, I wouldn't have had the self-belay. This was a tree limb test however.
Most pro-arborists find the hip thrust tiring. If' you are not in contact with the tree, i.e. in free air, you can't hip thrust at all.
seem to complicate and bored!!! You don't need to spend all that money, just hand ascender & extra carabiner to secure the rope, Plus foot ascender and you are all set.
You do realize I'm climbing on two separate ropes on two separate limbs? One is a backup anchored on a very secure limb. The other is my main line secured on a very small limb. This is not a backup method for gear failure, but anchor failure on the very small limb. Since there is a real possibility of shock loading the backup line if the small limb fails, I don't want to catch a hard fall with a toothed ascender.on the backup rope. There's too much risk it will tear the cover.
The grigri is only rated down to 10mm ropes, i would use it for rappeling aswell but not as a back up when ascending as it would take a while for the cam to catch on a 9mm rope if the cinch were to fail . Also it would be a nasty fall on a static rope. If you understand me?
The difference between 9 & 10 mm is 1/32 of an inch. While I don't normally advocate using gear out of spec, and I'm not here either, I have repeatedly tested the Grigri on 9mm KMIII and 9mm PMI and it has never given any indication of failure. I have climbed on a YoYo with the Grigri, Cinch, and Eddy and they all hold well. Not only that the Grigri and Eddy lock off well even while rappelling i.e. as a hands-free panic stop. The Grigri is not the backup - the ATC is.
Why do you say that? It holds and locks off on release even while rappelling, at least for me it does. It is a bit fast though, so I use a single rope ATC below it for additional control. That gives me a hands off stop and plenty of control for rappelling.
cool video. i get it! but seeing as how you are diligently answering questions, i have one-- what is your technique for isolating the higher limb to cinch without also capturing the lower limb(s)? multiple throwlines and bags? seems tricky when the limbs are so close and directly above each other. i am discovering thaqt getting the rope set where you want it is an art in itself.
freezemyheaddotcom 5 days ago
@freezemyheaddotcom
Thanks! You are right. It gets to be an art sometimes. There are a number of methods that can be used to isolate a limb that really work well.
It's really hard to describe them in words, but that's a great topic. I will post some vids of limb isolation techniques as soon as I can. Next couple of weeks maybe.
Tanglerwr 5 days ago
@Tanglerwr
that would be really great to see. thanks!
freezemyheaddotcom 4 days ago
What does the rigging at the top of the tree consist of?
balindir 6 days ago
@balindir
Each individual rope is just cinched on a limb. One on a pretty tiny limb for test climbing on, the other as a backup on a substantial limb.
Again, realize this was to enable me to safely experiment with climbing on a tiny limb with as good of a back up as I could rig.
However, other than just for my own knowledge there's little to be gained by climbing on a small limb, especially if a larger one is available.
Tanglerwr 6 days ago
@Tanglerwr Yes i understand, i'm just wonder how you go about securing the rope to the limb, such as what knot you might use?
balindir 6 days ago
@balindir
Ahhh, I'm with you now. I pull the rope up and over the limb and back down to me. I attach a screw link to one end of the rope with either an anchor or scaffold hitch. Then I open the screw link and form a lasso by putting the longer part of the rope in the screw link and then I close the screw link. I attach a pull-down line and then pull the rope up to cinch the limb.
If that's not what you're looking for, send me another comment. We'll get there.
Tanglerwr 6 days ago
seems a bit over kill, just use a taughtline system and load test the branch before you set off (lift your self a few inches off the ground and get a mate to sit on you, this puts your weight and his on the limb) its alot simpler, quicker and safer
thekettle2 1 month ago
@thekettle2
There's a few problems with that. One I don't have a 'mate' and two that could very well break a limb I don't want to break.
The test is to see how small of a limb would support my weight, not double my weight.\
I don't see how the weight of two people possibly setting up a limb for failure is safer than having a backup rope on a much stronger limb.
Tanglerwr 1 month ago
So bulky, using the hip thrust after a throw bag installation, I can ascend so much faster. Never a tree too tall or too wide.
pauljrsdad 3 months ago
@pauljrsdad
You're the second one that has completely missed the point of the video. It is not about climbing methods or techniques; it is about climbing on a very small limb and to have a totally independent self-belay line. If I were just climbing a tree for the sake of climbing a tree, I wouldn't have had the self-belay. This was a tree limb test however.
Most pro-arborists find the hip thrust tiring. If' you are not in contact with the tree, i.e. in free air, you can't hip thrust at all.
Tanglerwr 3 months ago
seem to complicate and bored!!! You don't need to spend all that money, just hand ascender & extra carabiner to secure the rope, Plus foot ascender and you are all set.
chupis11666 6 months ago
@chupis11666
You do realize I'm climbing on two separate ropes on two separate limbs? One is a backup anchored on a very secure limb. The other is my main line secured on a very small limb. This is not a backup method for gear failure, but anchor failure on the very small limb. Since there is a real possibility of shock loading the backup line if the small limb fails, I don't want to catch a hard fall with a toothed ascender.on the backup rope. There's too much risk it will tear the cover.
Tanglerwr 6 months ago
i have been climbing trees for over 20yrs. u got more equipment in this video than i have used in 20yrs. ..... its all good
PInk77W1 1 year ago
The grigri is only rated down to 10mm ropes, i would use it for rappeling aswell but not as a back up when ascending as it would take a while for the cam to catch on a 9mm rope if the cinch were to fail . Also it would be a nasty fall on a static rope. If you understand me?
dottydog2 1 year ago
@dottydog2
The difference between 9 & 10 mm is 1/32 of an inch. While I don't normally advocate using gear out of spec, and I'm not here either, I have repeatedly tested the Grigri on 9mm KMIII and 9mm PMI and it has never given any indication of failure. I have climbed on a YoYo with the Grigri, Cinch, and Eddy and they all hold well. Not only that the Grigri and Eddy lock off well even while rappelling i.e. as a hands-free panic stop. The Grigri is not the backup - the ATC is.
Tanglerwr 1 year ago
9mm rope on a grigri, you must be mad?
dottydog2 1 year ago
@dottydog2
Why do you say that? It holds and locks off on release even while rappelling, at least for me it does. It is a bit fast though, so I use a single rope ATC below it for additional control. That gives me a hands off stop and plenty of control for rappelling.
Tanglerwr 1 year ago
LOL! Joe PM'd me about the Cinch, but began with, "You ain't got good sense!!!!!!"
I told him I thought that had been established before I climbed on the small limb. LOL.
Tanglerwr 2 years ago
You really are going to climb on that!!!
davidobijr 2 years ago