@tixmastr Look.. Well.. You're right. Its a shitty policy and we will most probably pay for the release of 279 terrorists - in blood of innocents. We simply have childish leaders who want to court the enemy. I got no excuses. When you're right, you're right.
This just shows that Israel is a good-hearted country. They don't leave a man behind and cherish every citizens. Muslim radicals have to realize that Israel is not harming anyone. They want to live in peace. I know radicals will never learn that Israel is a kind country because of their culture of kill a infidel and get rewarded of 72 virgins....so sad for all Israelis
@tixmastr 279 of them got life in prison for murder. They are all dangerous terrorists. But, we do not release their leaders. If this works out, maybe we could try and start a discrete channel of negotiations with Hamas, convincing them to abolish the problematic segments of their charter. Then we'd be able to negotiate the release of the rest.. In return for a peace agreement with our conditions met in it, of course. But somehow, I've got a bad feeling this is not going to work out as planned.
@redword2007 The Arabs also never had any respect to international law. Under such circumstances, we have every right in the book to do whatever is necessary to survive.
I'm talking about well documented crimes committed by the state of Israel. You on the other hand refer to "the Arabs" as an undifferentiated mass. What else did you learn from the Nazis?
@redword2007 WHAT "well documented crimes committed by the state of Israel"? You haven't even "talked about" one! Besides, Its you who started babbling about "Israel is a terrorist state" - in other words, you refer to Israel as a single mass. So.. What else did YOU learn from the Nazis?
@redword2007 "renowned" Ilan Pappe ran away to England after losing a libel case filed against him by Alexandroni brigade veterans whom he claimed massacred the villagers of Tantura. Turned out he had absolutely no evidence and the villagers who weren't killed in actual fighting against the Haganah in 1947 were simply relocated to Fureidis, an Arab town a couple of miles away from the coastal road. The brigades veterans simply got some of them to testify. "New Historian" my ass..
Pappe is a serious academic. His book was based on Israeli state archives. Read the book, study the references and then tell me why is isn't credible.
You are quite wrong about the circumstances of his departure from Israel. The "libel case" you refer to was actually against Teddy Katz, whose MA thesis was supervised by Pappe. He was persuaded to resign his position at the University of Haifa after he supported the international boycotte of Israeli universities.
@redword2007 Yeah, it was Teddy Katz who made the false claim in his thesis, supervised by Pappe. Same: Pappe tried to stand up for him in the Libel case and they both lost. This is nit-picking. The major point is that whenever Ilan Pappe claims in his book that Israel preformed state sponsored deportation or massacre - he doesn't show any proof. There are no state archives records of any such events except the deportation of Lydda where they rebelled after surrendering. Pappe is a simple liar.
You said: "Ilan Pappe ran away to England after losing a libel case filed against him." That's simply not true and for anyone who is interested the facts can be seen in my previous comment above.
I don't know if you are deliberately trying to mislead people or if you are just ignorant of the facts, but in either case, my drawing attention to your error can not be dismissed as "nitpicking." Truth matters.
@redword2007 Ilan Pappe was the supervisor of Teddy Katz thesis. The Libel charge was against Teddy Katz, but as a supervisor Pappe was directly involved. So your dismissal of Pappe involvement in the case is exactly what nit-picking is describing.. Again, Pappe was directly involved and lost the case together with Katz.
@redword2007 The donkey's own words.. you write it yourself: Ilan Pappe was the SUPERVISOR of the thesis contested in court for Libel - claiming it wasn't against him but against his student is clinging to a technicality.
I'm growing tired of responding to your muddled thinking.
Only individuals and organisations can be subject to libel actions, not inanimate objects such as a thesis. Katz was subject to a libel action. Pappe was not.
If you have anything of consequence to say (or even just something that is accurate) let's hear it, otherwise it's better to keep quiet and stop making an arse of yourself.
@redword2007 LOL. I find it hard to comprehend what is so difficult for you to grasp here: Pappe is also signed on Katz's thesis and Pappe took the stand with Katz on court. THAT IS ALL.
You call Pappe a "liar" after what you wrote above! lol
The irony of this will no doubt be entirely lost on you, but I'm sure others will enjoy it.
The endnotes in Pappe's book is full of references to the state sources he uses to establish that ethnic cleansing occured. I have the book in front of me. You obviously haven't read it so why would anyone treat anything that you say seriously?
@redword2007 Indeed, I don't get the irony: Ilan Pappe DID lost the libel case which was filed against his student on a thesis he was supervising. What does that make him other then a liar? In his book he gives plenty of references to "historical sources", but not even one reference to any state archive which describes any deportations except Lydda (which was a special case of rebellion after surrendering). And I don't even need to read his book to know this, since this was the only one.
You are trying to tell me what is in a book that I have read and you haven't? That's pretty stupid of you.
All I have to do is go to the endnotes to see a range of references to Israeli state archives that provide a blueprint for ethnic cleansing e.g. "IDF Archives, GHQ/Operations Branch, 10 March 1948, File 922/75/595"
By all means inform yourself of the facts and have an argument, but don't continue to make a fool of yourself by arguing from a position of ignorance.
@redword2007 This demonstrates exactly what I said. Ilan Pappe is a simple Liar. 10 March 1948 is Plan Dalet. It is a plan which says in simple words that should we find ourselves attacked by the entire Arab mass of the middle east combined the Arabs will have to choose sides: those who sign a form, submit all weapons, automobiles and comm equipment will be given Hagannah protection. Those who refuse to submit - out. simple and clear. Its a contingency plan and at the end they weren't deported.
Yeah. Those 999 women protesters and rock throwers are REALLY dangerous..
Fucking NAZI Jewish State has and uses everything but ovens on the Palestinians. Don't even get me started. My experience with Israelis is they are aggressive as hell, they treat people that are unlike them as if they are shit.
The Israeli women are by far them most obnoxious and aggressive people I have EVER met. (Granted, I haven't hung out with asshole fundi Muslims or the Born Agains. There crap is too much to take.)
@steute2011 Asshole, you don't need to quote numbers to me not only do I live with a friend who's mother's family was killed bty the NAZI's and she was hidden by a kind family in Berlin for the entire war, but my ancestry is of the same people that were killed. So, go fuck yourself. You're still a bigoted NAZI piece of shit.
I think hamas made a very bad deal here.Since a jew looks at non-jews as animals or an arab as a pile of sh*t,hamas should've asked for minimum 5000 prisoners or all 20000.If jews are so full of themselves,they should've released all political prisoners.
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@tixmastr Look.. Well.. You're right. Its a shitty policy and we will most probably pay for the release of 279 terrorists - in blood of innocents. We simply have childish leaders who want to court the enemy. I got no excuses. When you're right, you're right.
TheEEStudent 4 months ago
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This just shows that Israel is a good-hearted country. They don't leave a man behind and cherish every citizens. Muslim radicals have to realize that Israel is not harming anyone. They want to live in peace. I know radicals will never learn that Israel is a kind country because of their culture of kill a infidel and get rewarded of 72 virgins....so sad for all Israelis
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ZionistIDF 4 months ago
@tixmastr 279 of them got life in prison for murder. They are all dangerous terrorists. But, we do not release their leaders. If this works out, maybe we could try and start a discrete channel of negotiations with Hamas, convincing them to abolish the problematic segments of their charter. Then we'd be able to negotiate the release of the rest.. In return for a peace agreement with our conditions met in it, of course. But somehow, I've got a bad feeling this is not going to work out as planned.
TheEEStudent 4 months ago
@TheEEStudent
Israel is a terrorist state. It has nothing but contempt for international law.
redword2007 4 months ago
@redword2007 The Arabs also never had any respect to international law. Under such circumstances, we have every right in the book to do whatever is necessary to survive.
TheEEStudent 4 months ago
@TheEEStudent
I'm talking about well documented crimes committed by the state of Israel. You on the other hand refer to "the Arabs" as an undifferentiated mass. What else did you learn from the Nazis?
redword2007 4 months ago
@redword2007 WHAT "well documented crimes committed by the state of Israel"? You haven't even "talked about" one! Besides, Its you who started babbling about "Israel is a terrorist state" - in other words, you refer to Israel as a single mass. So.. What else did YOU learn from the Nazis?
TheEEStudent 4 months ago
@TheEEStudent
Israel is a state - singular. You really are very stupid.
If you want to know about Israeli terrorism read 'The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine' by renowned Israeli historian Professor Ilan Pappe.
redword2007 4 months ago
@redword2007 "renowned" Ilan Pappe ran away to England after losing a libel case filed against him by Alexandroni brigade veterans whom he claimed massacred the villagers of Tantura. Turned out he had absolutely no evidence and the villagers who weren't killed in actual fighting against the Haganah in 1947 were simply relocated to Fureidis, an Arab town a couple of miles away from the coastal road. The brigades veterans simply got some of them to testify. "New Historian" my ass..
TheEEStudent 4 months ago
@TheEEStudent
Pappe is a serious academic. His book was based on Israeli state archives. Read the book, study the references and then tell me why is isn't credible.
You are quite wrong about the circumstances of his departure from Israel. The "libel case" you refer to was actually against Teddy Katz, whose MA thesis was supervised by Pappe. He was persuaded to resign his position at the University of Haifa after he supported the international boycotte of Israeli universities.
redword2007 3 months ago
@redword2007 Yeah, it was Teddy Katz who made the false claim in his thesis, supervised by Pappe. Same: Pappe tried to stand up for him in the Libel case and they both lost. This is nit-picking. The major point is that whenever Ilan Pappe claims in his book that Israel preformed state sponsored deportation or massacre - he doesn't show any proof. There are no state archives records of any such events except the deportation of Lydda where they rebelled after surrendering. Pappe is a simple liar.
TheEEStudent 3 months ago
@TheEEStudent
You said: "Ilan Pappe ran away to England after losing a libel case filed against him." That's simply not true and for anyone who is interested the facts can be seen in my previous comment above.
I don't know if you are deliberately trying to mislead people or if you are just ignorant of the facts, but in either case, my drawing attention to your error can not be dismissed as "nitpicking." Truth matters.
redword2007 3 months ago
@redword2007 Ilan Pappe was the supervisor of Teddy Katz thesis. The Libel charge was against Teddy Katz, but as a supervisor Pappe was directly involved. So your dismissal of Pappe involvement in the case is exactly what nit-picking is describing.. Again, Pappe was directly involved and lost the case together with Katz.
TheEEStudent 3 months ago
@TheEEStudent
You said: "Ilan Pappe ran away to England after losing a libel case FILED AGAINST HIM." (my emphasis)
Then you said: "The Libel charge was against Teddy Katz."
I can only conclude that you are an idiot.
redword2007 3 months ago
@redword2007 The donkey's own words.. you write it yourself: Ilan Pappe was the SUPERVISOR of the thesis contested in court for Libel - claiming it wasn't against him but against his student is clinging to a technicality.
TheEEStudent 3 months ago
@TheEEStudent
I'm growing tired of responding to your muddled thinking.
Only individuals and organisations can be subject to libel actions, not inanimate objects such as a thesis. Katz was subject to a libel action. Pappe was not.
If you have anything of consequence to say (or even just something that is accurate) let's hear it, otherwise it's better to keep quiet and stop making an arse of yourself.
redword2007 3 months ago
@redword2007 LOL. I find it hard to comprehend what is so difficult for you to grasp here: Pappe is also signed on Katz's thesis and Pappe took the stand with Katz on court. THAT IS ALL.
TheEEStudent 3 months ago
@TheEEStudent
You call Pappe a "liar" after what you wrote above! lol
The irony of this will no doubt be entirely lost on you, but I'm sure others will enjoy it.
The endnotes in Pappe's book is full of references to the state sources he uses to establish that ethnic cleansing occured. I have the book in front of me. You obviously haven't read it so why would anyone treat anything that you say seriously?
redword2007 3 months ago
@redword2007 Indeed, I don't get the irony: Ilan Pappe DID lost the libel case which was filed against his student on a thesis he was supervising. What does that make him other then a liar? In his book he gives plenty of references to "historical sources", but not even one reference to any state archive which describes any deportations except Lydda (which was a special case of rebellion after surrendering). And I don't even need to read his book to know this, since this was the only one.
TheEEStudent 3 months ago
@TheEEStudent
You are trying to tell me what is in a book that I have read and you haven't? That's pretty stupid of you.
All I have to do is go to the endnotes to see a range of references to Israeli state archives that provide a blueprint for ethnic cleansing e.g. "IDF Archives, GHQ/Operations Branch, 10 March 1948, File 922/75/595"
By all means inform yourself of the facts and have an argument, but don't continue to make a fool of yourself by arguing from a position of ignorance.
redword2007 3 months ago
@redword2007 This demonstrates exactly what I said. Ilan Pappe is a simple Liar. 10 March 1948 is Plan Dalet. It is a plan which says in simple words that should we find ourselves attacked by the entire Arab mass of the middle east combined the Arabs will have to choose sides: those who sign a form, submit all weapons, automobiles and comm equipment will be given Hagannah protection. Those who refuse to submit - out. simple and clear. Its a contingency plan and at the end they weren't deported.
TheEEStudent 3 months ago
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steute2011 4 months ago
Yeah. Those 999 women protesters and rock throwers are REALLY dangerous..
Fucking NAZI Jewish State has and uses everything but ovens on the Palestinians. Don't even get me started. My experience with Israelis is they are aggressive as hell, they treat people that are unlike them as if they are shit.
The Israeli women are by far them most obnoxious and aggressive people I have EVER met. (Granted, I haven't hung out with asshole fundi Muslims or the Born Agains. There crap is too much to take.)
yourtreat2 4 months ago
@tixmastr "political" prisoners
JRoscoe72 4 months ago
@TheTrollTime How many Jews does it take to fill a giant oven?...Apparently 5 million!
TheBiotchify 4 months ago
@TheBiotchify How much shit do you call your head?...
Apparently 5 pounds.
yourtreat2 4 months ago
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steute2011 4 months ago
@steute2011 Asshole, you don't need to quote numbers to me not only do I live with a friend who's mother's family was killed bty the NAZI's and she was hidden by a kind family in Berlin for the entire war, but my ancestry is of the same people that were killed. So, go fuck yourself. You're still a bigoted NAZI piece of shit.
yourtreat2 4 months ago
I think hamas made a very bad deal here.Since a jew looks at non-jews as animals or an arab as a pile of sh*t,hamas should've asked for minimum 5000 prisoners or all 20000.If jews are so full of themselves,they should've released all political prisoners.
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TheComputerEngineer 4 months ago
CUT AID TO ISRAEL!!!! KthxBY
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As if we are talking cattle.
sonnylatchstring 4 months ago
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BunnysiEat 4 months ago
@BunnysiEat In math terms (metric) does that make him a Kilo-Palestinian?
MsColdCanada 4 months ago
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BunnysiEat 4 months ago
@BunnysiEat Pakistan?...Don't you mean Palestinians?...Moron zionist LOLOL
WhiteWeasel420 4 months ago
@WhiteWeasel420 arabs are all the same shit
BunnysiEat 4 months ago
@BunnysiEat Pakistani's aren't Arabs you dumb whore /= Zionist trash pffhhhh
WhiteWeasel420 4 months ago
@WhiteWeasel420 still shit :) stupid bitch
BunnysiEat 4 months ago
@BunnysiEat No. I don't think anyone should blow themselves up and I don't think anyone should ever blow up anyone else either.
MsColdCanada 4 months ago