MX07BUV - "Stay In Your Lane" (First Bus 37304)

[Cyclingbikingtrucker]

I think thats what you call a genuine idiot, at least he can count (1,2,3,4....) ;)

[BadSwindoomRoadUsers]

@1234Dekka You're now coming across as a complete idiot, car registrations are public information and fully on display in public area's by law. All UK registered motorised vehicle details are freely available on the internet.

Do you cover your registrations plates up when your driving on public roads in front of the public, some of whom maybe criminals.

If you keep punishing cyclists for things you do not like it will not belong before you kill or seriously injure someone.

[dannyfrench78]

Further to my comment below however I can see from the vid that this driver passed too close. It was particularly silly considering the room he had to overtake safely.

[MrGrumpycyclist]

@dannyfrench78 Thanks. It's good to hear from one of the normally silent majority of good drivers rather than the normal set of idiots that seem to comment abusiively about what are after all just straight video clips of what actualy happened.

[dannyfrench78]

im a bus driver, and I always drive courteously around cyclists....not because I like them, in fact I think MOST (not all) of them are absolute assholes. The reason I drive carefully around them is because I care about my licence and I couldnt live with the guilt of injuring or killing someone.

In my many years of bus driving experience I can honestly say I could count the number of good cyclists I have encountered on the fingers of one hand.

[MrGrumpycyclist]

@dannyfrench78 Sorry to hear you have had such bad luck with the cyclists you encounter. I find that, just like bus drivers, most cyclists I encounter are careful, thoughtful and courteous, but there are some bad ones. In both cases, I think the bad ones are few, but still too many, and they tend to stick in the mind.

[BadSwindoomRoadUsers]

@dannyfrench78 From my experience of Swindon bus drivers I think you representative the vast majority of bus drivers.

It's unfortunate the video's on YouTube are normally of the bad one's, probably because they are more noticeable due the high standard of other bus drivers being something we consider normal and therefore not worthy of uploading to YouTube, if that makes any sense. My opinion is bad bus drivers are the exception not the norm.

[policeserg]

First wont do anything. Youre wasting your time filming, its for your own gratification only. You need to take up more hobbies that will take more of your time up, maybe then it will stop you posting stupid videos on here. Anyway i guess you will have a lot of people at your funeral, waving you goodbye.

[downfader2]

@policeserg Signed up today have we..? Why the harrassment? You do realise that if you're the driver or known to them your ISP is fully traceable. It dont look good for you, does it sunshine. Grow up, behave. Simple as that.

[BadSwindoomRoadUsers]

@policeserg Why are you wasting your time watching and commenting on them? Do you not see the irony?

[WellingtonBikeCam01]

That bus driver's just sharing the road... You use the bicycle lane, and he can also use the bicycle lane. That's sharing right? Or is it swerving? As soon as he crossed the line into the bike lane, he's committed a ticketable offense. Literally, that's where he crossed the line: Report it.

[MrGrumpycyclist]

@WellingtonBikeCam01 Unfortunately not. the dashed line there denotes a so-called advisory cycle lane, which means that motor vehicles "should not" (as opposed to "must not") enter it unless it is unavoidable. In other words, the dashed line means absoluely nothing at all. The driver's offence is driving without due care and attention, or driving without due consideration for other road users.

[WellingtonBikeCam01]

@MrGrumpycyclist - Damn! That's crazy... if it's unavoidable, eg to avoid a collision or road hazard, then a motor vehicle would arguably be justified swerving into a "bicycle only" lane, so long as it's not creating a hazard to anyone using that lane. So that "advisory cycle lane" really is an interesting form of "sharing the road"... What's mine is yours, and what's yours is also yours.

[MrGrumpycyclist]

@WellingtonBikeCam01 Well, cyclists aren't obliged to stay in the cycle lane either. The paint on the road serves absolutely no purpose in this case. We do have mandatory cycle lanes, which are denoted by a solid white line. They are only mandatory in the sense that motor vehicles are not allowed to enter them - cycles still are not obliged to use them.

One problem is that mandatory cycle lanes require a long, drawn out consultation process before they can be installed.

[1234Dekka]

yes there is as a civil public servant comes under the data protection act of 1974....also i find it hard to bekieve that you don't watch closely on the video that you have not spotted why i came back in lane so fast... and this is why thisa site gets pulled down from monday and you tube are banninghim from putting up this sort of thing....let him get you in a car then someone robs your house....all done oiff of information our your car reg plate....

[BadSwindoomRoadUsers]

@1234Dekka No it doesn't, the data protection act applies to companies not private individuals.Look forward to adding more comments on Tuesday.

[BadSwindoomRoadUsers]

@1234Dekka It's Tuesday and it's still here.

[MrGrumpycyclist]

@BadSwindoomRoadUsers :-D

[1234Dekka]

yes there is as a civil public servant comes under the data protection act of 1974....also i find it hard to bekieve that you don't watch closely on the video that you have not spotted why i came back in lane so fast...

[downfader2]

@1234Dekka Civil servants only come under the DPA if they are privvie to sensitive information. You work for a bus company (if what you say is correct) - therefore you a) work as an individual for a private company and b) are not privvie to sensitive info.

Also, are you seeing things? There was nothing in the right turn lane, you could have moved over quite easily. Even with the car that eventually followed

[Cyclingbikingtrucker]

@1234Dekka if you are goong to make silly little threats about running me off the road I suggest you keep an eye on your side mirror for a 44 tonne truck, then we'll see whos boss.

[Cyclingbikingtrucker]

@1234Dekka judging by the silly tram driving videos on yor user you need to step outside and look at the real world ;) Ah well I guess some people passed their driving test by the skin of their teeth abd promptly forgot everything.

[treefire1]

Firstly, how far away from the kerb do you want to cycle? You're almost on the white line. I see from your other videos that you like to be nearer the middle of the road too.

Secondly, you clearly turned & looked over your shoulder a few seconds before the bus got there so you knew it was there, why didn't you move to the left? If not to let it past, at least to prevent any passing air turbulance caused by it from hitting you.

[MrGrumpycyclist]

@treefire1 My camera is mounted on the side of my helmet, 5.5 inches to the right of centre. My wheels would have passed about 2 inches to the right of the surface water drain. However, everything you said is irrelevant. The bus driver passed far too close; end of story.

I think you mean sometimes riding in the centre of the lane, as recommended by the DfT, the IAM, the Bikeability national training scheme and countless other authorities that know a damn sight more about it than you do.

[CyclingMikey]

@treefire1 Not an advanced driver then? Perhaps you should read the IAM's advice to cyclists? Cyclists take your lane is advice they have issued.

[downfader2]

@treefire1 He has no obligation to move out of the way of passing vehicles, they have an obligation under the road traffic act and highway code to make sure they pass safely. Skimming a cyclist is not safe. The government's own guidence actually states between 60-100cm from the kerb for "secondary" (Bikeability, National Standards and IAM cycle training ALL teach this).

Shoulder checks are also taught, these are also taught to motor bikers. Called a "life saver".

Educate yourself.

[1234Dekka]

watch your own footage...its people like you that should not be on the road with a bike...do yourself a favout take early retirement...your not putting yourself at risk there

btw all comments have ben copied and will be handed to the police tomorrow when i go and see them....

[downfader2]

@1234Dekka Rediculous. By law cyclists, horse riders and pedestrians have more right to the road than motor vehicles. Motor vehicles are only there by the agreement in the Statutes on the licencing terms.

[MrGrumpycyclist]

@1234Dekka Excellent. I trust you will be showing them the video footage as well? It'll save me the bother of doing it.

[rosickyize]

@MrGrumpycyclist "Excellent. I trust you will be showing them the video footage as well? It'll save me the bother of doing it." haha, nice one : )

[BadSwindoomRoadUsers]

@1234Dekka The police will put straight in to the bin where it belongs. Maybe you will prompt the police to look at the video in question and decide whether to pursue the driver of the bus.

[1234Dekka]

@BadSwindoomRoadUsers i don't think so...they already said they are prosecuting me... what a bunch of nerds we are dealing witrh here

[BadSwindoomRoadUsers]

@1234Dekka I'd rather be a nerd than you, in fact I rather be anything else but you or even remotely like you. Using a bus to punish someone for doing something you don't like is great indicator of the daily wail/daily sport reader, I mean picture scanner, you are.

[CyclingMikey]

@1234Dekka Ooh really? You're getting prosecuted for that driving as well as a bus company disciplinary hearing? What an own goal. I'll bet you never dare to drive badly around another cyclist ever again. There are thousands and thousands of cyclists out there with cameras, and more are appearing all the time. We're tired of having to put up with driving such as yours, and are using cameras to bring consequences for driver misbehaviour.

[TCTC68]

@CyclingMikey spot on - cameras are getting cheaper and cheaper, with any luck, once we reach critical mass, even the most selfish of drivers might think twice as they try and bully us off the road

[CyclingMikey]

@1234Dekka here's some more Worst Bus footage?

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[1234Dekka]

...i am seeking further advice on getting this Video removed from you tube....

[MrGrumpycyclist]

@1234Dekka Why? Are you ashamed of it. If you are the driver, then you should be, though, from the personal message you sent me, I suspect you may be an imposter.

[CyclingMikey]

@1234Dekka Yup, ashamed of your driving you are. Got a disciplinary hearing, did you? I suggest you look at the 320 bus drivers on my video channel. They could teach you a thing or two about good courteous and careful driving.

You have no right to privacy for this - you were filmed in a public place. Don't drive like a James Blunt, and you won't get on YouTube.

[downfader2]

@1234Dekka Why? There is no right to privacy in the UK on a public road. The Information Commissioner even backs this up. You cant even claim deformation as the video is presented "as is".

Heather Mills, mate. No leg to stand on.

[MrGrumpycyclist]

@gizmo2039 If you had actually watched the video, then you would realize how absurd your comment is. As you clearly haven't, you must be just trolling, so go away, troll.

[MrGrumpycyclist]

@MrGrumpycyclist Ah, it looks as though the troll went away.

[MrGrumpycyclist]

Got the standard letter from First today. All about the careful attention they give to driver training, etc, etc. Not very inspiring to be honest because, whatever they do, it doesn't seem to be working for some of their drivers.

[instruct2008]

jeez, that was close

[GMBasix]

@Pumpkinzer0: well that was certainly my experience (viz 'how we train' letter). Without broader experience, it's hard to know if you're getting a considered response or a stock answer. I was quite detailed in my complaint, and the letter included the bit above plus some other, non-controversial comments.

It will be interesting to see their response in this case.

[pumpkinzer0]

First bus...oh well no suprises here then unfortunately

[MrGrumpycyclist]

@pumpkinzer0 Indeed. First buses feature in five of my videos so far, all in similar circumstances..

[pumpkinzer0]

@MrGrumpycyclist the management dont give a damn, when you recieve your letter reporting their crap driver, you will get a standard letter stating how they train their drivers to look out for cyclists etc etc and the letter will not refer to your or the incident you reported. they have the same letter, they just press print and send.

[GMBasix]

[sorry, I'm obviously too long-winded]

...and that the driver might not even have heard any more about it. But I usually get (& give) reasonable consideration from First (& Stagecoach) drivers. I had also threatened reporting them to the Feds, which may have helped. So it's also quite possible they meant it all.

Report it: the managers need to know it's still going on, and that we're watching!

[MrGrumpycyclist]

@GMBasix Thanks. I did make a complaint yesterday, so I will await the outcome.

[GMBasix]

Complain! I did when a different First driver did pretty much the same thing to me in roughly the same place a few months ago (a.m. ride).

Their reply was quite comprehensive, including an apology, having apparently reviewed both the footage I sent them and their own on-bus CCTV. They gave a detailed list of how they train drivers and expect them to look ahead, etc etc. They also said the driver would get a talking to.

It would be easy to dismiss the reply as flannel, and that the driver mig

[TheVexatiousLitigant]

That was obviously deliberate, what a nasty small minded prick, is it me or are First Bus useless at recruiting?

[1234Dekka]

@TheVexatiousLitigant nnot deliberate look at the video properly,,,,the white was at the side of the bus....and also look at your own cyleing mate,,,could'nt cycle in a straight line even if you tried too...

[TheVexatiousLitigant]

@1234Dekka Grown up! A bit of white paint does not mean it is ok to risk someone’s life!

You are right I can’t ride in a straight line, I always change direction to miss things in the road also wind effects how straight cyclists ride, and most people know this, it is shame you can’t grasp this basic cycling behaviour as it would hopefully make you sound less stupid, then again so would keeping your mouth shut

[exmouthroady]

Dreadful driving. The road was clear so what is his problem?

[CyclingMikey]

Stay in your lane? It looks to me like the bus driver is the one infringing on the cycle lane.

[martuhurley]

Who opened the bus doors, you or the drver?

[MrGrumpycyclist]

@martuhurley The driver did. He was waiting for me to reach him.

[1234Dekka]

@MrGrumpycyclist ...get your facts right i don't go on a red light dumb ass

it is anoying to say the least that you can find nothing better to report and record people i have also sent another request to YOU Tube that you are in breah of their conditions and [policy so have requested they take the whole thing down...at my request and about 40 other people...

also

[powercranking]

...and then, even after you've warned him, he goes and does it again.

[n325aej]

make a complaint

[fattpieceofcrap]

im still amazed by people saying you should be in your lane or the bike lane. so because your not that gives them the right to use their vehicle as a weapon. if a car is someone over their lane you dont swerve at them to push them back. report him

[MrGrumpycyclist]

@fattpieceofcrap That's correct. I was clearly in the cycle lane the whole time here, but it would have been irrelevant even if I hadn't been.

[Cyclingbikingtrucker]

There's a few words I think I would have used that I dont think I can say here ;) I feel it was deliberate, he was prepared for an argument before you even got to the doors, what a stupid idiot that should have his licence revoked and be given a bicycle.

[1234Dekka]

@Cyclingbikingtrucker oi pal stick to the fuckin footpath or i will have you in court as well...

[CyclingMikey]

@1234Dekka It's illegal to cycle on the footpath, you silly person.

[u4987]

One man police force driving a 15 ton weapon and prepared to use it - this guy needs an education about the rules of the road, including the recommended passing room for vulnerable road users, plus the responsibility that he has not just for his own safety but his passengers. Maybe dropping a message to his employers with the video footage will assist in his education.

[busog97641]

Now may I ask, why did he, when he over-took you @ :10, not just stay where he was, in the centre of 'his' lane, but @ :11 manoeuvred over the line into or about into the cycle lane? Looks to me, that he deliberately swerved towards you?! Please correct me if I am wrong. ; > ]

[1234Dekka]

@busog97641 whatch the bloody video mate...the white car was at the side of ...as the cyclist came outof his what he calls his cycle lane,,,study the facts and video and both of you i have copied everything fromn here lso informing the police....tomorrow...as it a road traffic violation using a spy camera whilst deiving a cycle or moto r veehicle...

[busog97641]

@1234Dekka Okay, watched it, got it, where in the video is there a white car, that caused 'you' to swerve into the cycle lane, and if so, you would rather hit, kill, or at least do serious harm to a cyclist, than maybe hit a car. Why not apply your brakes, that is what they are for? Where is it written that helmet camera is considered a 'Spy Camera'?

[MrGrumpycyclist]

@1234Dekka "... informing the police....tomorrow...as it a road traffic violation using a spy camera whilst deiving a cycle or moto r veehicle" ROTFL Which part of the Road Traffic Act is that then?

In any case, what is that little black dome shaped thing above the First logo on the back of your bus, and the similar ones on the sides and front?

[1234Dekka]

and i' will say this much you are risking quite possibly a 2000 pound fine or 6, months in prison.....so my suggestion is you are not framing me as i did notthing wrong apart from avert a very or what could have been a very nasty accident...

[1234Dekka]

@busog97641 like i have said to the others wiht their deframatory comments please watch what you say as i will slap a cout order on whomever pulss me down i did nothing wrong...LOOK AT THE VIDEO...well the site is gonna be down hopefully in the next few days ip recored and hopefully a lifetime ban....

[BadSwindoomRoadUsers]

@1234Dekka I plus'd you down lots, take me to court then.

[Bigsharnm]

But of course, the 10cm or so of white, dashed line keeps you safe from him passing *just about* in his own lane...

[Testedecazzo]

idiot driver