And, Texas was admitted through a Congressional resolution! Imagine that! No treaty! If you seriously are going to pursue the course I think you are, there will be war. However, you are vastly outnumbered by more stable, sane, rational people. Chances of such a war are extremely remote. Your rantings deserve no more attention.
@jstrahan2. (#2) Hahaha! We don't need to wage war! Because were not like Americans. Futhermore, the people of Hawaii are NOT Americans, who just fight to resolve an international issue. We let peace, truth, and justice prevail. And in Hawaii's case, they have prevailed in the past! And it will prevail again! Theres a lot of evidence to hold the U.S. accountable for violations against Hawaii and international law in Hawaii's case. Things are not what they seem!
@jstrahan2. BTW, ever heard of the Exective Agreements? The Exective Agreements we're made between U.S. President Cleaveland and Her Majesty Queen Liliuokalani in 1895. It was to acknowledge the U.S. invasion of Hawaii and to grant restoration to the Queen and Hawaii's national idenity. It bides the President and their sucessors in office, including President Obama, to administer Hawaiian Law. Theres no dispute against this! Even though your Government did not abide by it, they will eventually!
For one thing, the World Court has no jurisdiction over U.S. matters. For another, Hawaii IS legally part of the U.S. (try not paying your taxes. :) ) For another, NO state was admitted as the result of a 'treaty'. And, the only other state recognized as an independent nation before it became a state was Texas. So, your 'treaty' argument is invalid. I just hope you realize that the only way Hawaii would become independent is through another Civil War.
@jstrahan2. (#1) Umm. The World Court has jurisdiction over all the world's matters! That is if its brought up! And it was! Then I guess the U.S. might as well go invade Canada, England, Mexico and use a so called "resolution" to annex it! And they know they cannot! Because that's a big violation of international law! And that's what they exactly did and is still doing in Hawaii--illegally occuping it! Things are not what they seem! You really don't understand!
Yes, the treaty was not ratified by the Senate. However, the Newlands Resolution was passed by both Houses of Congress. It annexed the Republic of Hawaii and create the Territory of Hawaii. In March 1959, Congress passed the Hawaii Admission Act and Eisenhower signed it into law. On June 27 of that year, a referendum asked residents of Hawaii to vote on the statehood bill. Hawaii voted 17 to 1 to accept.Therefore, your statement "Fake State of Hawaii" is not accurate. Hawaii is a genuine state.
@jstrahan2. The Newlands Resolution is not a treaty. To annex foreign territory, you need concent, and with concent, you'll form a treaty, therefore, annexing whatever territory. In Hawaii, there was no concent, therefore, no treaty. The Newlands Resolution is not a treaty! Its only an act of U.S law. And Hawaii was not abided to U.S. law is because Hawaii was still foreign territory. Irregardless if it is a so-called "State" theres no treaty to prove that Hawaii is U.S. territroy in the first.
I KNOW the Newlands Resolution is not a treaty. You do not NEED a treaty to annex a territory. The joint resolution is another option. As for your assertion that there was no consent, that is incorrect. The lopsided referendum that year proves that there WAS consent. Regardless, Hawaii is and always will be a state. Get used to it.
@jstrahan2. My friend, you missing the point. A resolution is only that country's law and is not bound beyond its borders. Hawaii was still foreign territory! It was not bound by U.S. law! If your refering to the so-called "Statehood act" that there was concent, thats NOT what I was talking about. I'm talking about when U.S. made Hawaii its "soverign terrtiory" in 1898. There was no consent! Almost all of Hawaii's population protested against having Hawaii part of the U.S.!
It seems you are also 'missing the point'. Regardless of how it came about, there is no doubt that Hawaii is a genuine state. (I also happen to believe that that the state of West Virginia was formed unconstitutionally. However, there is no doubt now that West Virginia is a genuine state.) The Union cannot be dissolved by anything short of an amendment or convention. We fought a Civil War partly because of that awhile ago. Unless you are prepared to shed blood, Hawaii will never be independent.
@jstrahan2. West Virginia is not Hawaii. There is historical, economic and social difference between Hawaii and West Virginia. And just because Hawaii is a so-called "State" does not mean that its offical U.S. soverign territory in this case. If it is, wheres the treaty that proved that Hawaii was transfered to the U.S.? Since there is no treaty, Hawaii is actually an indpendent nation even to this present day! The government is just in exile! Hahaha! Sheeding blood? No. We're not like America!
Hawaii is actually NOT an independent nation. Are you insane or just deluded? Also, I know West Virginia is not Hawaii. I draw the comparison of states that some think are illegitimate while the state in question would never be considered today not a state. Another thing, where are you going with this? Do you intend to break off Hawaii from the U.S.? You know that will never happen without blood being spilled. Are you prepared for that? Give up your delusion. Accept reality.
@jstrahan2. No. I am not insane. I'm telling you the truth! Sounds crazy, I know. But who could blame it in both ways, bottom line is its fact! And theres proof! In 2001, the World Court in the Netherlands proved it that theres no documentation that Hawaii is U.S. soverign territory and remains under illegal U.S. military occupation! I implore you to read it! And no, I don't need, or anyone else has to break Hawaii off the U.S. Because its not even legally part of the U.S. in the first place!
@jstrahan2. West Virginia is not Hawaii. There is historical, economic and social difference between Hawaii and West Virginia. And just because Hawaii is a so-called "State" does not mean that its offical U.S. soverign territory in this case. If it is, wheres the treaty that proved that Hawaii was transfered to the U.S.? Since there is no treaty, Hawaii is actually an indpendent nation even to this present day! The government is just in exile! Hahaha! Sheeding blood? No. We're not like America!
Here is another interesting article exposing the 'executive agreement' scam:
angelfire[dot]com/big09/SaiExecutiveAgreementsScam[dot]html
jstrahan2 4 months ago
I would suggest interested people go to this site: angelfire[dot]com/hi2/hawaiiansovereignty/fraudhague[dot]html
jstrahan2 5 months ago
And, Texas was admitted through a Congressional resolution! Imagine that! No treaty! If you seriously are going to pursue the course I think you are, there will be war. However, you are vastly outnumbered by more stable, sane, rational people. Chances of such a war are extremely remote. Your rantings deserve no more attention.
jstrahan2 5 months ago
@jstrahan2. (#2) Hahaha! We don't need to wage war! Because were not like Americans. Futhermore, the people of Hawaii are NOT Americans, who just fight to resolve an international issue. We let peace, truth, and justice prevail. And in Hawaii's case, they have prevailed in the past! And it will prevail again! Theres a lot of evidence to hold the U.S. accountable for violations against Hawaii and international law in Hawaii's case. Things are not what they seem!
UniteHawaii 5 months ago
@jstrahan2. BTW, ever heard of the Exective Agreements? The Exective Agreements we're made between U.S. President Cleaveland and Her Majesty Queen Liliuokalani in 1895. It was to acknowledge the U.S. invasion of Hawaii and to grant restoration to the Queen and Hawaii's national idenity. It bides the President and their sucessors in office, including President Obama, to administer Hawaiian Law. Theres no dispute against this! Even though your Government did not abide by it, they will eventually!
UniteHawaii 4 months ago
For one thing, the World Court has no jurisdiction over U.S. matters. For another, Hawaii IS legally part of the U.S. (try not paying your taxes. :) ) For another, NO state was admitted as the result of a 'treaty'. And, the only other state recognized as an independent nation before it became a state was Texas. So, your 'treaty' argument is invalid. I just hope you realize that the only way Hawaii would become independent is through another Civil War.
jstrahan2 5 months ago
@jstrahan2. (#1) Umm. The World Court has jurisdiction over all the world's matters! That is if its brought up! And it was! Then I guess the U.S. might as well go invade Canada, England, Mexico and use a so called "resolution" to annex it! And they know they cannot! Because that's a big violation of international law! And that's what they exactly did and is still doing in Hawaii--illegally occuping it! Things are not what they seem! You really don't understand!
UniteHawaii 5 months ago
("That year" meaning the vote on statehood.)
jstrahan2 5 months ago
Yes, the treaty was not ratified by the Senate. However, the Newlands Resolution was passed by both Houses of Congress. It annexed the Republic of Hawaii and create the Territory of Hawaii. In March 1959, Congress passed the Hawaii Admission Act and Eisenhower signed it into law. On June 27 of that year, a referendum asked residents of Hawaii to vote on the statehood bill. Hawaii voted 17 to 1 to accept.Therefore, your statement "Fake State of Hawaii" is not accurate. Hawaii is a genuine state.
jstrahan2 7 months ago
@jstrahan2. The Newlands Resolution is not a treaty. To annex foreign territory, you need concent, and with concent, you'll form a treaty, therefore, annexing whatever territory. In Hawaii, there was no concent, therefore, no treaty. The Newlands Resolution is not a treaty! Its only an act of U.S law. And Hawaii was not abided to U.S. law is because Hawaii was still foreign territory. Irregardless if it is a so-called "State" theres no treaty to prove that Hawaii is U.S. territroy in the first.
UniteHawaii 5 months ago
I KNOW the Newlands Resolution is not a treaty. You do not NEED a treaty to annex a territory. The joint resolution is another option. As for your assertion that there was no consent, that is incorrect. The lopsided referendum that year proves that there WAS consent. Regardless, Hawaii is and always will be a state. Get used to it.
jstrahan2 5 months ago
@jstrahan2. My friend, you missing the point. A resolution is only that country's law and is not bound beyond its borders. Hawaii was still foreign territory! It was not bound by U.S. law! If your refering to the so-called "Statehood act" that there was concent, thats NOT what I was talking about. I'm talking about when U.S. made Hawaii its "soverign terrtiory" in 1898. There was no consent! Almost all of Hawaii's population protested against having Hawaii part of the U.S.!
UniteHawaii 5 months ago
It seems you are also 'missing the point'. Regardless of how it came about, there is no doubt that Hawaii is a genuine state. (I also happen to believe that that the state of West Virginia was formed unconstitutionally. However, there is no doubt now that West Virginia is a genuine state.) The Union cannot be dissolved by anything short of an amendment or convention. We fought a Civil War partly because of that awhile ago. Unless you are prepared to shed blood, Hawaii will never be independent.
jstrahan2 5 months ago
@jstrahan2. West Virginia is not Hawaii. There is historical, economic and social difference between Hawaii and West Virginia. And just because Hawaii is a so-called "State" does not mean that its offical U.S. soverign territory in this case. If it is, wheres the treaty that proved that Hawaii was transfered to the U.S.? Since there is no treaty, Hawaii is actually an indpendent nation even to this present day! The government is just in exile! Hahaha! Sheeding blood? No. We're not like America!
UniteHawaii 5 months ago
Hawaii is actually NOT an independent nation. Are you insane or just deluded? Also, I know West Virginia is not Hawaii. I draw the comparison of states that some think are illegitimate while the state in question would never be considered today not a state. Another thing, where are you going with this? Do you intend to break off Hawaii from the U.S.? You know that will never happen without blood being spilled. Are you prepared for that? Give up your delusion. Accept reality.
jstrahan2 5 months ago
@jstrahan2. No. I am not insane. I'm telling you the truth! Sounds crazy, I know. But who could blame it in both ways, bottom line is its fact! And theres proof! In 2001, the World Court in the Netherlands proved it that theres no documentation that Hawaii is U.S. soverign territory and remains under illegal U.S. military occupation! I implore you to read it! And no, I don't need, or anyone else has to break Hawaii off the U.S. Because its not even legally part of the U.S. in the first place!
UniteHawaii 5 months ago
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@jstrahan2. West Virginia is not Hawaii. There is historical, economic and social difference between Hawaii and West Virginia. And just because Hawaii is a so-called "State" does not mean that its offical U.S. soverign territory in this case. If it is, wheres the treaty that proved that Hawaii was transfered to the U.S.? Since there is no treaty, Hawaii is actually an indpendent nation even to this present day! The government is just in exile! Hahaha! Sheeding blood? No. We're not like America!
UniteHawaii 5 months ago