The US DID NOT lose the war militarily, we lost the war politically. If we wanted to WIN the war we would have used B-24s, B-52s etc and other nasty bombs ( Nukes/Atom bombs ) to wipe North Vietnam off the map. I am glad we didnt though.
I am talking about the general public and students.The only ones that try to make something of it are the politicians who use communism as a means to give them some legitimacy. You ask a student what is Liberation Day, and all they can tell you is they were liberated from the U.S.-and that's about it. Ask a student about Ho Chi Minh and at all they can say "He is the father of our country", let alone anything else. Plz compare VN-Chinese Democratic Centralism. No care about the War today.
They could only guess the domino eff. at the time. After living in Viet Nam 9 years, you see that most Vietnamese care little about government, care nothing about the war, don't talk about it- see no need to. Most of them laugh when ex GIs come over and act like the war is still on-I have seen this. Lives were a wasted, the war a waste. Who cares? That is the reply today most VN can't tell you the name of their president. America did not do its homework on Viet Nam before it came here.
@MrJodyh54 they dont talk about it My GOD and you saw you lived in Vietnam.. thats why every Year they march in Vietnam Ngày Chiến thắng Victory Day.. VN could tell their president RIGHT, that why theirs a picture of him in Schools and Court Houses.. and theirs only one Party in Nam.. are you thick or you just Lying about living in Vietnam. as i spent 6 months over their before and i can tell u alot, also 6months in Korea.
@foleybarbarian Mr. Foley-send me your address and I will send you a post card from here. Six months is hardly enough time to understand VN. I have been here as stated- over 8 years, studied the VN War at LSU and Master studies at Leeds UK. Met thouands and asked them about it. Please be democratic with your postings (polite). Please read if you can. "Viet Nam: A History" by Stanly Karnow. tam biet!
@kakashi76767 First off his not from Vietnam, Second Stupid fucking american my fucking god im not fucking american you dickhead, I'm fucking Irish, lived in France for 7 years working...
@rustyschackleford100 What the FUCK are you talking about.. So if America never went into Vietnam, what was stopping Laos, Cambodia, Taiwan, Thailand, from ending up the same, what was stopping North Korea attacking the South Again ? My Friend it is called the domino effect Even Japan could have ended up the same For fuck Sakes the whole Asian World would have being Over Run. South Vietnam fought on after the Americans pulled out Laos is still fighting for Freedom.
@foleybarbarian You speak in incoherent sentences. If American never went into Vietnam, a lot of people would have lived. That's about it. The so called "domino effect" is Cold War propaganda and is unsubstantiated. The historical record shows that.
@sgnl42 Civil War was going on In Vietnam, so i dont know where your getting people would have lived. America went into Vietnam as pace keepers Reason why they never bombed the North it was untill the Talks broke down they started to bomb the North.. even when America pulled out is south kept fighting the North.. What was Stopping if America never went into Korea or Vietnam that Thailand would fall in the same boat just like in 2010 when the Red Shirts tried to rise to power.
@LoneKook Oh please, we never known the exact number North VietNam casualty. However, it's a certainty that a large portion of people US killed in that war was civilian by bombing. There are few major battles since the NVA prefer the hit and run tactic which make it even harder to calculate their death. On the other side, you must count in the South Vietnam as well since they were practically used as meat shield to reduce US casualty.
@WeekendWarrior556 From the way I see it that peace accord was heavily favor the North Vietnam (the US left and they were free to do whatever they wanted to the South). They don't need to be bombed to sign that so I think the bombing may not go as well as claimed. And even though getting their shit bombed, after 2 years they retaken the land US tried to protect for 21 years. You are a very positive person to even consider that war a draw.
@aclock2 on top of that the Vietcong was wiped out after the tet offensive. North Vietnam promised not to attack the South again Just like in the Korean war. given the fact that we never attempted to invade the North yet they did try to invade the South and failed at it unlike the Korean war where we pushed the the enemy back they they pushed us back then we pushed them back to the North Korean border I would not call that a stalemate but a US victory
@VanOstrum Seem like you miss the first part of your comment. What I know is US objective was to stabilize South VietNam and making it a strong enough country to stand against the North. And they were indeed victorious, South Vietnam was strong and stabilize enough to withstand the North for.....2 years, very successful considering it took US 21 years to make South Vietnam a "powerful" country.
@WeekendWarrior556 South Vietnam was not a legitimate country, it was basically a puppet created by the French. It was not a Government formed with the purpose of serving Vietnamese people but rather to serve the original invader. The America objective was to stop the Communist from taking over the country, like what they did to North and South Korea. But they failed because unlike in Korea most South Vietnamese firmly hate their Government and wanted them to disappear.
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IT would of been better if america never invaded vietnam. NO amount of vietnamese terrorists would of caused as much chaos as what america invading did.
this wasnt even classifies as a 'war' basically it was weapons testing procedures and mind control on the troops.. many of whom just went missing rather than being killed. many went insane due to the mind control when they returned too.
Govt didnt want to know then of course..
disgusting and people need to stop volunteering to be killing machines..
@1948rosa1 Bitch fuck you. No country is perfect. But I love how you feel so happy that we lost 1 war when we won the WW2 (the biggest battle in the history of wars) Korea War,Were winning in Iraq and Afghanistan and we have won many other wars. "why doesnt America like to talk about Vietnam. Uhh only victories fucking mother fuckers" learn to speak you kid. Why would anyone talk about the bad times they've had you cunt?
@Ninjadog659 You cant call incomplete missions "victorys". Our soldiers are doing their best to try to give freedom to not only our country, but other countrys alike. I do wish they could come home tho :(
Unless you lived through the times you should shut the fuck up about how "we woulda won the war if it weren't for the protestors". The fact is that we had a bunch of generals running the war that didn't give a fuck about anybody or anything. 10 years and 52,000 American soldiers slaughtered for not one goddamned good reason.
We shouldn't have been there in the first place. Period and the whiners revising history don't know what the fuck they're talking about. Just ignorant fucks
@1eulB It's a General's burden to accomplish the task(s) set by the ruling political powers via the set of tools provided to him by those very same politicians. Politicians, not the military, started the Vietnam War.
Military leaders such as Ridgway, W.W. Ford, Robert L. Hughes, James M. Gavin & others criticised the Vietnam War and the manner in which it was fought in. But their plans and actions were restricted by the political figures influenced by the protests.. Talking' about ignorance...
atcually the vietcong and NVA were on the retreat but the protest in america caused them to fall out of the war:it is like what sun tzu said "deafeat your enemies in their home not in the battelfield"
jajajajajaja a bunch of small asians ass rape america..little men with sandals jajajajajajajajajajaja..why doesnt america dont like to talk about vietnam uhh only victories fucking motherfuckers
Black and white maps with crosses and arrows. That's what I remember of Vietnam from my childhood in England. And week old footage, So different from today.
@BollocksUtwat Body counts, kill ratios, etc. are not the measure of victory. Victory is won by attaining a moral & physical ascendancy over the enemy so that he is either physically destroyed or so demoralized that his will to fight is broken and he surrenders. The VC & NVA lost great numbers of their men (and women) & material but the US and the South Vietnamese never physically destroyed them & the VC & NVA were never so demoralized that they lost the will to fight & surrendered.
And if anyone says that the US forces in South Vietnam never lost a battle during the Vietnam War, he is a fool: there were plenty of battles won by the VC and NVA. The Battle of Ong Thanh in October 1967 comes to mind, and there are others. Don't delude yourselves.
Of course America lost the Vietnam War. America lost stomach for the fight and withdrew. That's a defeat. You are defeated if your enemy endures the war and outlasts you if you give up the fight. America had reached the limit of its endurance, gave up the fight, and withdrew from Vietnam before the conclusion of the war: that's a defeat.
@rdv040 People would have us believe that kills and destruction ought to be the only factor in a war. The simplistic mindset of the military and the soldier with no wider view holds onto a deluded notion of fighting war in the modern world. They somehow miss the point that winning the battle doesn't equate to winning the war. If kill count is the only thing that matters then Nazi Germany handily defeated the Soviet Union.
@BollocksUtwat your analogy isn't valid. in fact, germany lost the last battles with the soviets, and the soviets HELD german land.
so, in both battles, war and land help, the soviets easily 'beat' the germans.
the u.s. 'won' all the battles in vietnam, or may have lost one 'ong thanh'. even there, the nva left the field of battle first, (i think because they ran out of ammo). the americans 'won' a very costly battle.
its like bunkerhill. the british 'won', but it was costly.
@BollocksUtwat the u.s. soldier did his job in vietnam, and won battles. higher leadership didn't give him a clear objective, nor one that meant anything to him, and he STILL won the battles.
american people, for the most part, didn't give care about vietnam. so, true, the american public did NOT have the stomach for the war which it only saw dividing the country and killing 55,000 young men.
30 yrs later, vietnam had to beg back into the bigger world; it's now 'commie' in name only.
@neoconsnightmare3 You're right, its not a perfect analogy. But nothing makes sense when arguing with people who think that winning battles means much in a decentralized war fought with no front line against a guerrilla army with the full support of the hamlets and areas you're fighting over.
If you think winning battles and getting more kills means anything then you're as deluded as the American High Command was who still thought in terms of the conventional wars that they fought in WW2.
@BollocksUtwat thats why i put 'commie' in quotes. also,was running out of space.
iKNOW (if you look back a few pages you'll see) that ho chi minh BEGGED truman for u.s. support,but the french bitch assed and said that if the u.s. didn't recognize their colonial power in indochina, the french wouldnt join nato. truman was getting pressure for being 'too soft on commies' so he sold ho out.
fact is, i've said the u.s. won the battles and didnt win the war. like the brits in the u.s. revolution.
@neoconsnightmare3 And I respect you and offer a nod and a handshake in recognition of a fair point and a pleasant turn to this youtube argument (how rare!).
@BollocksUtwat lol...as i said weeks ago,my wife and her family were boat people, and i have a much older cousin (whom i never met) who was shot down and 'missing in action' in vietnam.
i've been in the army as an officer from the early eighties to early nineties.
i try to see the war (and all war) from all sides. this is why i dont 'cheerlead' the u.s. or demonize the vietnamese.
@BollocksUtwat and yet, to an extent, kills/body count DO matter. if one side has more peopleto give up than the other, that DOES have an affect.
the vietnamese even admitted that the later bombings brought them to the table. however, they were in it for the long run, and the u.s. was in it for profit making opportunities for dow chemicals and other beneficiaries of the industrial complex.
but this said, the american SOLDIER (marine,airman) did an EXCELLENT job. the leadership is to blame.
@neoconsnightmare3 The soldier has little to do with discussing the ramifications of the political and strategic story of a war. By the same logic one can say that the German soldier acquitted himself quite well in defense of his nation despite the unquestionably evil purpose of the leadership (with the obvious SS and other exceptions).
But really that is the tragedy of these wars. That the men who die for it were used, and suffered for something and carved out their honor for an empty cause.
@BollocksUtwat lol...as i said weeks ago,my wife and her family were boat people, and i have a much older cousin (whom i never met) who was shot down and 'missing in action' in vietnam.
i've been in the army as an officer from the early eighties to early nineties.
i try to see the war (and all war) from all sides. this is why i dont 'cheerlead' the u.s. or demonize the vietnamese.
@neoconsnightmare3 You people that get hung up on the whole 'Commie' thing don't even understand the enemy you fought. Years after the war McNamara met his counterpart from the NVA. He told McNamara that they never would have supported the Chinese. They hated the Chinese, yet America saw the red stripe across the globe as one body of evil. Vietnamese communists were ready to be friends with America. France wanted F-indochina back and US wanted France in NATO. There is a deeperlink there.
@BollocksUtwat No necessary true to the Nazi Germany vs. Soviet Union remark. Soviet Union 100x's the million while Nazi Germany had a lot fewer. Therefor so far I know, official KIA 23 million or so Soviets compare to 8.6 million Nazi dead. So Soviets 100 million people with dieing belief for the motherland compare to a mere maybe or so 30 million or barely more and the Fascist Reich. Hmm hardly defeating is a word I wouldn't say man
The real heroes of Vietnam were the draft evaders.
At least they had the courage to stand up for what they believed in. The idiots who just up and went to fight a useless and meaningless war only enable the government to abuse people at will.
You don't have the right to judge anyone for not wanting to get killed or lose his fucking legs in a worthless war.
My grandfather was in " the shit" 1965- 1967 1st Div. Marines (with the kill count strategy) and like him I believe that, " we didn't lose, we left ". We won the battles but lost the war...damn politics
Your dad is a moron. The apple didn't fall far from the tree apparently.
The US could have stayed there for another ten years and accomplished nothing. Your dad wants to pretend he didn't waste his most vital years, so he forces himself to believe what he did was worthwhile. While he was getting shot, he probably had friends, or enemies at home nailing chicks in convertibles. Maybe your mom? Aunt?
hi,i think you lost ,because you can't beating army vietnam ,the army vietnam verry brave and not fear died.however the war not benefits,you died and me died,we are win,however we are not want war .but america or any natinal have intention to invade vietnam ,you will lost you died
@thieuducvu the war was strategically lost. the americans won the battles. but you can win battles and still lose the war. the same can be said of the british during the american revolution. the americans lost more battles than they won. they just kept poppping up. in the end, the american colonies simply weren't worth keeping..
same can be said of the americans in vietnam...it just wasn't worth the effort after 8 years of battle. ho looked at america's history.
south vietnam DID request help, but it was from a series of weak, corrupt governments.
ho chi minh requested help as soon as the vietnames (and the viet minh) ousted the japanese and world war 2 ended. he begged the u.s. to recognize vietnamese independence. truman was leaning towards that, but the french then said that if the u.s. recognized vietnamese independence, they wouldn't joint NATO.
as the now laughably stupid fear of communism was 'real' then, truman had no choice
@thieuducvu actually, no 'humiliation' combat wise. as far as POLITICAL humiliation, maybe not even that. most americans couldnt find vietnam on the map before the war, and by the end, they just didn't care.
the vietcong and north vietnamese lost ever BATTLE (not 'raids' on airbases) to the u.s. ia drang can be considered a 'draw' or a 'win' for the u.s., since the n. vietnamese left the field of battle first (a COSTLY win for the u.s., similar to the british 'win' at bunker hill').
@thieuducvu nobody is discounting the BRAVERY of the n.vietnamese. no american vet i've come to know would say they were punks.
however, facts are facts. 15 years after the u.s. pulled out, vietnam BEGGED the u.s. to let it back into the family of nations, and went about finding american MIAs to prove it. win/win for both sides.
vietnam DID humiliate china after it invaded and left a trail of destruction, and drove chinese backed government out of cambodia.
'day and night for seven days they were pounded by heavy mortar fire and raked by machine guns...bombs exploding just yards away... there was no sleep, no rest, no water ' ... that must have sucked
Man to bad some people wanted us to pull of the war because its not ours. I think we could of won abd beat the North Vietnamese and the South's people wouldn't have to suffer and die and go to "re-education" camps if we didn't interfere they would have definitely lost.
@206JBreezy You lost any way, even after horrible bombing campaigns on the North. Was all for nothing, and it was a lie that got you into the war in the first place ( gulf of tonkin )
@206JBreezy .....but like pigeonpsycho says, you lost anyways, with a TON of casualty and death on your side. the prolonged battle caused the huge number of deaths; what a silly thing to say.
Vietnam was a wake-up call for American politicians as well as for American forces dealing with those guys the gloves should have come off... Sooner and with no stupid media to ruin the campaign.. just fight! destroy the enemy and liberate the people no fair fight its WAR! Just defeat your enemy's
An interesting point of fact is that at that attack on the Special forces camp at pleiku the senior American green berets advisor stated the v.c. were the beat mist dedicated soldiers he's ever seen.. well that man was Charles Beckwith the man who created the Army's delta force unit...
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If you want to learn more about the Ia Drang Valley battle read the book We Were Soldiers Once... and Young. It is one of the greatest war novels ever made and it was written by soldiers who were actually there during the battle
@Alexn1067 Sorry to educate you but Australians were not happy to have US soldiers in their territory. Before you make stupid statements like that, you should research history more or you end up looking like an ignorant fool. They had no choice as it was the political agreement that all Allied forces be under the US commander (Allies vs. Axis). Look up "Battle of Brisbane" were US troops and Aussies killed each other. It was war and Aussies had to accept US occupation.
@Alexn1067 Sorry to educate you but Australians were not happy to have US soldiers in their territory. Before you make stupid statements like that, you should research history more or you end up looking like an ignorant fool. They had no choice as it was the political agreement that all Allied forces be under the US commander (Allies vs. Axis). Look up "Battle of Brisbane" were US troops and Aussies killed each other. It was war and Aussies had to accept US occupation.
@bobtis cronkite was actually FOR the vietnam war. after tet, he realized what most folks were understanding: the vietnamese had been fighting invaders for CENTURIES, and the way the u.s. was fighting the war (not the soldiers/marines/airment or sailors but the commanders and civilians) could not overcome such a determined enemy.
throwing around useless terms like 'liberal' and 'conservative', without understanding the bigger picture, does nothing.
bọn Tầu chó má. là người Việt chúng ta phải góp tiếng nói. trên bàn chính trị thì mình phải ngọt lạt. Nhưng thực tế Trung Quốc là kẻ thù số 1 của Việt Nam. Nó mà làm bá chủ thì nó xóa xổ Việt Nam ngay. Hãy cùng lên tiếng. ít nhất là cho con em Việt Nam biết Trung Quốc nó là kẻ thù của chúng ta
I love it, as soon as the war started, you had D-bags like walter here talking about un-bearable losses. Nothing ever changes, it was the same as it was then as it is now.
hey guys, great video. Anyone heard about that U.S army massacre, killing hundreds of innocent vietnamese when only 2 charlies were in that village. I have nothing against the US but its something to remember! Supposadly a misunderstanding of communication, anyway they moved in with flamethrowers and burnt the fukers out of em
@1stMarineCapt what you said was just about the dumbest thing anyone can say. the army not only 'always messes up' (idiotic statement) but actually WINS wars.
hate to piss on your cornflakes, but you can't name a war (i don't count grenada because the 'enemy' was a bunch of construction workers) that marines ever won?
fact is, neither is 'better' than the other, and your statement is beyond laughable.
@snakes3425 Airborne and Marines. Green Berets and SEALs. Yes. Best and match. Cause we want somethin' leap in and out with troops jump off those flying vehicles rather than troops march into combat areas. Yes, you're right.
Things may have been different had a Marine Corps general who had experience fighitng the Japanese in the Pacific Theather, been in charge of Combat operations in Vietnam instead of an Army General
@snakes3425 The army always mess up shits. I don't blame army infantry, but I hate those sons of bitches that sits on chairs, reading news, reports and knew nothing but try to be knowledgable.
Yes you're right. Better be if there was someone with enough of Pacific combat experience.
how do you like the jet plane?the rocket is also a pretty cool thing as well. guess what? these are german .the v-2 was a rocket that was able to leave the earth up to about 70 miles!then came in on it's target,not to shabby for 1945 huh? resources were germany's problem,that and fighting east and west.if hitler did'nt attack russia and kept him supplying the raw materials that stalin sent ,you would be speeking german now!
All these discussion on how great or not great America is. Yes, it is true that America has helped many countries in wars sacrifycing its people. And I really respect these people that fought for us ( I'm Dutch ) in WWII and for many other people in the world during other wars. Without America, many countries would have lost their freedom or be killed.
It's good being proud of your country but many americans live this megalomania, this can be very annoying sometimes. We all need each other.
@rice31254 south vietnam DID request help, but it was from a series of weak, corrupt governments.
ho chi minh requested help as soon as the vietnames (and the viet minh) ousted the japanese and world war 2 ended. he begged the u.s. to recognize vietnamese independence. truman was leaning towards that, but the french then said that if the u.s. recognized vietnamese independence, they wouldn't joint NATO.
as the now laughably stupid fear of communism was 'real' then, truman had no choice
@neoconsnightmare3 new hless refugees. zealand was part of western force which makes them just as good as americans we all fought together. we didn't loose the war. we just walked away .if we wanted we could turn vietnam to dust. we just walked away cause it wasn't worth it ,no oil. no money ,just refugees and heroin. that's all vietnam had to offer the u.s dope and worthless refugees.
@frezdead1 yes, we 'lost' the war because the allies didn't accomplish what they set out to do, which was to keep an independent s. vietnam.
as for 'worthless refugees', my wife is a refugee from vietnam. i hardly count her or her family as 'worthless'. in fact, she has made herself quite educated and successful in her career in canada.
@FLICKtheUSA no, your mother isn't that fancy. she just works in some dive gloryhole in your trailer park.
oh, you were trying to project your mother's sluttish and whorish ways on my wife? how many times do i have to tell you that MOST women aren't the whores/sluts/slatterns your mother is. and most men don't frequent the houses of ill repute your father (still don't know who he is, do you?) 'hit and quit' your mom at.
LOL, my mom has hats that cost more than your truck. You do drive a truck, don't you? ;)
Yeah, it sucks being me... having everything paid for, being debt free, owning a nice (Japanese) car ('10 Acura RL). While you're still having flashbacks and trying to fix that 'ol truck.
It's called class warfare, and I'm clearly winning.
@FLICKtheUSA uhh, why would i drive a truck? seriously, where'd THAT come from?
why would you buy a japanese car, a car made by asian men who have asian mothers...mothers you've claimed are 'whores', etc.? we both know you're projecting, but what the hell?
what 'flashback' am i having? and what's up with the truck? you just saying shit in an attempt to sound funny?
hint: those that brag about being rich on the internet are typically the exact opposite.
Hej danskere:)
muuuulkownz 2 weeks ago
hmm and joe galloway isnt even mntioned
liamgrech1 2 weeks ago
This decided the ultimate outcome in Nam and set the battle plans for so many future battles. When will we or they ever learn?
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tawllsd007 4 weeks ago
They lies to us! They shot and killed 3.000.000 civilian! It's not okay to lie >;-(
I møgsvin!!!!!
Mr100kroner 1 month ago
@Mr100kroner Heeeey du er også dansker! :D
Emilvsd 2 weeks ago
The US DID NOT lose the war militarily, we lost the war politically. If we wanted to WIN the war we would have used B-24s, B-52s etc and other nasty bombs ( Nukes/Atom bombs ) to wipe North Vietnam off the map. I am glad we didnt though.
JimmyPtheman 1 month ago
@JimmyPtheman
Reason for you go to Vietnam, killed Vietnamese, drop millions tons bomb to Vienam and drop dioxin to Vietnam?
Win of your USA in Vietnam is 4 millions dead of Vietnamese, is painful and destroy in Vietnam
Do you have heart of human?
BAIYUE1 1 month ago
I am talking about the general public and students.The only ones that try to make something of it are the politicians who use communism as a means to give them some legitimacy. You ask a student what is Liberation Day, and all they can tell you is they were liberated from the U.S.-and that's about it. Ask a student about Ho Chi Minh and at all they can say "He is the father of our country", let alone anything else. Plz compare VN-Chinese Democratic Centralism. No care about the War today.
MrJodyh54 1 month ago
They could only guess the domino eff. at the time. After living in Viet Nam 9 years, you see that most Vietnamese care little about government, care nothing about the war, don't talk about it- see no need to. Most of them laugh when ex GIs come over and act like the war is still on-I have seen this. Lives were a wasted, the war a waste. Who cares? That is the reply today most VN can't tell you the name of their president. America did not do its homework on Viet Nam before it came here.
MrJodyh54 1 month ago
@MrJodyh54 they dont talk about it My GOD and you saw you lived in Vietnam.. thats why every Year they march in Vietnam Ngày Chiến thắng Victory Day.. VN could tell their president RIGHT, that why theirs a picture of him in Schools and Court Houses.. and theirs only one Party in Nam.. are you thick or you just Lying about living in Vietnam. as i spent 6 months over their before and i can tell u alot, also 6months in Korea.
foleybarbarian 1 month ago
@foleybarbarian Mr. Foley-send me your address and I will send you a post card from here. Six months is hardly enough time to understand VN. I have been here as stated- over 8 years, studied the VN War at LSU and Master studies at Leeds UK. Met thouands and asked them about it. Please be democratic with your postings (polite). Please read if you can. "Viet Nam: A History" by Stanly Karnow. tam biet!
MrJodyh54 1 month ago
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@foleybarbarian
Reason for you go to Vietnam, killed Vietnamese, drop millions tons bomb to Vienam and drop dioxin to Vietnam?
Win of your USA in Vietnam is 4 millions dead of Vietnamese, is painful and destroy in Vietnam
Do you have heart of human?
BAIYUE1 1 month ago
@foleybarbarian ha! that guy owned you! you are trying to tell him what goes on in his own country! stupid fucking american!
kakashi76767 1 month ago
@kakashi76767 First off his not from Vietnam, Second Stupid fucking american my fucking god im not fucking american you dickhead, I'm fucking Irish, lived in France for 7 years working...
foleybarbarian 1 month ago
Johnson and Nixon are war criminals.
alamando696 1 month ago
What a useless war.
rustyschackleford100 2 months ago
@rustyschackleford100 What the FUCK are you talking about.. So if America never went into Vietnam, what was stopping Laos, Cambodia, Taiwan, Thailand, from ending up the same, what was stopping North Korea attacking the South Again ? My Friend it is called the domino effect Even Japan could have ended up the same For fuck Sakes the whole Asian World would have being Over Run. South Vietnam fought on after the Americans pulled out Laos is still fighting for Freedom.
foleybarbarian 1 month ago
@foleybarbarian You speak in incoherent sentences. If American never went into Vietnam, a lot of people would have lived. That's about it. The so called "domino effect" is Cold War propaganda and is unsubstantiated. The historical record shows that.
sgnl42 1 month ago
@sgnl42 Civil War was going on In Vietnam, so i dont know where your getting people would have lived. America went into Vietnam as pace keepers Reason why they never bombed the North it was untill the Talks broke down they started to bomb the North.. even when America pulled out is south kept fighting the North.. What was Stopping if America never went into Korea or Vietnam that Thailand would fall in the same boat just like in 2010 when the Red Shirts tried to rise to power.
foleybarbarian 1 month ago
@LoneKook Oh please, we never known the exact number North VietNam casualty. However, it's a certainty that a large portion of people US killed in that war was civilian by bombing. There are few major battles since the NVA prefer the hit and run tactic which make it even harder to calculate their death. On the other side, you must count in the South Vietnam as well since they were practically used as meat shield to reduce US casualty.
aclock2 2 months ago
@WeekendWarrior556 From the way I see it that peace accord was heavily favor the North Vietnam (the US left and they were free to do whatever they wanted to the South). They don't need to be bombed to sign that so I think the bombing may not go as well as claimed. And even though getting their shit bombed, after 2 years they retaken the land US tried to protect for 21 years. You are a very positive person to even consider that war a draw.
aclock2 2 months ago
@aclock2 on top of that the Vietcong was wiped out after the tet offensive. North Vietnam promised not to attack the South again Just like in the Korean war. given the fact that we never attempted to invade the North yet they did try to invade the South and failed at it unlike the Korean war where we pushed the the enemy back they they pushed us back then we pushed them back to the North Korean border I would not call that a stalemate but a US victory
VanOstrum 2 months ago
@VanOstrum Seem like you miss the first part of your comment. What I know is US objective was to stabilize South VietNam and making it a strong enough country to stand against the North. And they were indeed victorious, South Vietnam was strong and stabilize enough to withstand the North for.....2 years, very successful considering it took US 21 years to make South Vietnam a "powerful" country.
aclock2 2 months ago
@aclock2 Oh well yes politically the US did lose.
VanOstrum 2 months ago
@VanOstrum No, US won politically since they declared themself .victorious and there are for real people who actually believe them.
aclock2 2 months ago
@aclock2 In my opinion its the opposite The tet offensive was won yet most Americans consider the war a loss.
VanOstrum 2 months ago
@WeekendWarrior556 South Vietnam was not a legitimate country, it was basically a puppet created by the French. It was not a Government formed with the purpose of serving Vietnamese people but rather to serve the original invader. The America objective was to stop the Communist from taking over the country, like what they did to North and South Korea. But they failed because unlike in Korea most South Vietnamese firmly hate their Government and wanted them to disappear.
aclock2 2 months ago
@210482fmj
Vietnamese Terrorists... lol.
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RapsAlive 2 months ago
IT would of been better if america never invaded vietnam. NO amount of vietnamese terrorists would of caused as much chaos as what america invading did.
210482fmj 3 months ago
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Cmon Vietcong, Kill more flat-nose viet cockroaches!
416thenomad 3 months ago
They should took the fight to the north..
dento180 3 months ago
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this wasnt even classifies as a 'war' basically it was weapons testing procedures and mind control on the troops.. many of whom just went missing rather than being killed. many went insane due to the mind control when they returned too.
Govt didnt want to know then of course..
disgusting and people need to stop volunteering to be killing machines..
Avatar2050 3 months ago
6:40 : Ouch ! So much for your own men....
SkavenVideo 3 months ago
@SkavenVideo He never drew a comparison
dento180 3 months ago
@1948rosa1 Bitch fuck you. No country is perfect. But I love how you feel so happy that we lost 1 war when we won the WW2 (the biggest battle in the history of wars) Korea War,Were winning in Iraq and Afghanistan and we have won many other wars. "why doesnt America like to talk about Vietnam. Uhh only victories fucking mother fuckers" learn to speak you kid. Why would anyone talk about the bad times they've had you cunt?
Ninjadog659 3 months ago
@Ninjadog659 You cant call incomplete missions "victorys". Our soldiers are doing their best to try to give freedom to not only our country, but other countrys alike. I do wish they could come home tho :(
Pekahbo 3 months ago
Unless you lived through the times you should shut the fuck up about how "we woulda won the war if it weren't for the protestors". The fact is that we had a bunch of generals running the war that didn't give a fuck about anybody or anything. 10 years and 52,000 American soldiers slaughtered for not one goddamned good reason.
We shouldn't have been there in the first place. Period and the whiners revising history don't know what the fuck they're talking about. Just ignorant fucks
1eulB 3 months ago 2
@1eulB It's a General's burden to accomplish the task(s) set by the ruling political powers via the set of tools provided to him by those very same politicians. Politicians, not the military, started the Vietnam War.
Military leaders such as Ridgway, W.W. Ford, Robert L. Hughes, James M. Gavin & others criticised the Vietnam War and the manner in which it was fought in. But their plans and actions were restricted by the political figures influenced by the protests.. Talking' about ignorance...
Sneeuwbaard 3 months ago
atcually the vietcong and NVA were on the retreat but the protest in america caused them to fall out of the war:it is like what sun tzu said "deafeat your enemies in their home not in the battelfield"
themaker67 4 months ago
you guys kicked ass there good for the americans i would fight shoulder to shoulder with an American anyday
SIFLINT1 4 months ago
jajajajajaja a bunch of small asians ass rape america..little men with sandals jajajajajajajajajajaja..why doesnt america dont like to talk about vietnam uhh only victories fucking motherfuckers
1948rosa1 4 months ago
@1948rosa1 Didnt spics get fucked in the ass by drug dealers? beaners cant even beat up drug cartels
DarthSyphillis 4 months ago
Black and white maps with crosses and arrows. That's what I remember of Vietnam from my childhood in England. And week old footage, So different from today.
clivedxb 4 months ago
USA had nothing to do in this war.
ndigknesgn 4 months ago
loss is loss. Get over it.
johnnyqt25 4 months ago
u s army was defeat by people in Vietnam !!!!
u s had kill boy women put diossine orange agent
are worst never invent
desnos 4 months ago
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rdv040 4 months ago
@BollocksUtwat Body counts, kill ratios, etc. are not the measure of victory. Victory is won by attaining a moral & physical ascendancy over the enemy so that he is either physically destroyed or so demoralized that his will to fight is broken and he surrenders. The VC & NVA lost great numbers of their men (and women) & material but the US and the South Vietnamese never physically destroyed them & the VC & NVA were never so demoralized that they lost the will to fight & surrendered.
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rdv040 4 months ago
Airmobility and we still couldnt lick em good enough.Guess the uS just didnt want to be there
26wordy 4 months ago
And if anyone says that the US forces in South Vietnam never lost a battle during the Vietnam War, he is a fool: there were plenty of battles won by the VC and NVA. The Battle of Ong Thanh in October 1967 comes to mind, and there are others. Don't delude yourselves.
rdv040 4 months ago
Of course America lost the Vietnam War. America lost stomach for the fight and withdrew. That's a defeat. You are defeated if your enemy endures the war and outlasts you if you give up the fight. America had reached the limit of its endurance, gave up the fight, and withdrew from Vietnam before the conclusion of the war: that's a defeat.
rdv040 4 months ago
@rdv040 People would have us believe that kills and destruction ought to be the only factor in a war. The simplistic mindset of the military and the soldier with no wider view holds onto a deluded notion of fighting war in the modern world. They somehow miss the point that winning the battle doesn't equate to winning the war. If kill count is the only thing that matters then Nazi Germany handily defeated the Soviet Union.
BollocksUtwat 4 months ago
@BollocksUtwat your analogy isn't valid. in fact, germany lost the last battles with the soviets, and the soviets HELD german land.
so, in both battles, war and land help, the soviets easily 'beat' the germans.
the u.s. 'won' all the battles in vietnam, or may have lost one 'ong thanh'. even there, the nva left the field of battle first, (i think because they ran out of ammo). the americans 'won' a very costly battle.
its like bunkerhill. the british 'won', but it was costly.
neoconsnightmare3 4 months ago
@BollocksUtwat the u.s. soldier did his job in vietnam, and won battles. higher leadership didn't give him a clear objective, nor one that meant anything to him, and he STILL won the battles.
american people, for the most part, didn't give care about vietnam. so, true, the american public did NOT have the stomach for the war which it only saw dividing the country and killing 55,000 young men.
30 yrs later, vietnam had to beg back into the bigger world; it's now 'commie' in name only.
neoconsnightmare3 4 months ago
@neoconsnightmare3 You're right, its not a perfect analogy. But nothing makes sense when arguing with people who think that winning battles means much in a decentralized war fought with no front line against a guerrilla army with the full support of the hamlets and areas you're fighting over.
If you think winning battles and getting more kills means anything then you're as deluded as the American High Command was who still thought in terms of the conventional wars that they fought in WW2.
BollocksUtwat 4 months ago
@BollocksUtwat thats why i put 'commie' in quotes. also,was running out of space.
iKNOW (if you look back a few pages you'll see) that ho chi minh BEGGED truman for u.s. support,but the french bitch assed and said that if the u.s. didn't recognize their colonial power in indochina, the french wouldnt join nato. truman was getting pressure for being 'too soft on commies' so he sold ho out.
fact is, i've said the u.s. won the battles and didnt win the war. like the brits in the u.s. revolution.
neoconsnightmare3 4 months ago
@neoconsnightmare3 And I respect you and offer a nod and a handshake in recognition of a fair point and a pleasant turn to this youtube argument (how rare!).
BollocksUtwat 4 months ago
@BollocksUtwat lol...as i said weeks ago,my wife and her family were boat people, and i have a much older cousin (whom i never met) who was shot down and 'missing in action' in vietnam.
i've been in the army as an officer from the early eighties to early nineties.
i try to see the war (and all war) from all sides. this is why i dont 'cheerlead' the u.s. or demonize the vietnamese.
neoconsnightmare3 4 months ago
@BollocksUtwat and yet, to an extent, kills/body count DO matter. if one side has more peopleto give up than the other, that DOES have an affect.
the vietnamese even admitted that the later bombings brought them to the table. however, they were in it for the long run, and the u.s. was in it for profit making opportunities for dow chemicals and other beneficiaries of the industrial complex.
but this said, the american SOLDIER (marine,airman) did an EXCELLENT job. the leadership is to blame.
neoconsnightmare3 4 months ago
@neoconsnightmare3 The soldier has little to do with discussing the ramifications of the political and strategic story of a war. By the same logic one can say that the German soldier acquitted himself quite well in defense of his nation despite the unquestionably evil purpose of the leadership (with the obvious SS and other exceptions).
But really that is the tragedy of these wars. That the men who die for it were used, and suffered for something and carved out their honor for an empty cause.
BollocksUtwat 4 months ago
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@BollocksUtwat lol...as i said weeks ago,my wife and her family were boat people, and i have a much older cousin (whom i never met) who was shot down and 'missing in action' in vietnam.
i've been in the army as an officer from the early eighties to early nineties.
i try to see the war (and all war) from all sides. this is why i dont 'cheerlead' the u.s. or demonize the vietnamese.
neoconsnightmare3 4 months ago
@neoconsnightmare3 You people that get hung up on the whole 'Commie' thing don't even understand the enemy you fought. Years after the war McNamara met his counterpart from the NVA. He told McNamara that they never would have supported the Chinese. They hated the Chinese, yet America saw the red stripe across the globe as one body of evil. Vietnamese communists were ready to be friends with America. France wanted F-indochina back and US wanted France in NATO. There is a deeperlink there.
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rdv040 4 months ago
@BollocksUtwat No necessary true to the Nazi Germany vs. Soviet Union remark. Soviet Union 100x's the million while Nazi Germany had a lot fewer. Therefor so far I know, official KIA 23 million or so Soviets compare to 8.6 million Nazi dead. So Soviets 100 million people with dieing belief for the motherland compare to a mere maybe or so 30 million or barely more and the Fascist Reich. Hmm hardly defeating is a word I wouldn't say man
FPSrUSSRia 4 months ago
Walter Cronkite and Dan Rathers lost the war.
royalstarblue 4 months ago
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The real heroes of Vietnam were the draft evaders.
At least they had the courage to stand up for what they believed in. The idiots who just up and went to fight a useless and meaningless war only enable the government to abuse people at will.
You don't have the right to judge anyone for not wanting to get killed or lose his fucking legs in a worthless war.
60,000 dead - for what? Nothing.
FLICKtheUSA 4 months ago
My grandfather was in " the shit" 1965- 1967 1st Div. Marines (with the kill count strategy) and like him I believe that, " we didn't lose, we left ". We won the battles but lost the war...damn politics
AncientAlienTheorist 4 months ago 5
@AncientAlienTheorist
Your dad is a moron. The apple didn't fall far from the tree apparently.
The US could have stayed there for another ten years and accomplished nothing. Your dad wants to pretend he didn't waste his most vital years, so he forces himself to believe what he did was worthwhile. While he was getting shot, he probably had friends, or enemies at home nailing chicks in convertibles. Maybe your mom? Aunt?
FLICKtheUSA 4 months ago
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TheRapper10000 4 months ago
@AncientAlienTheorist It would be nice to be able to ignore politics and people when fighting a war.
BollocksUtwat 4 months ago
@AncientAlienTheorist Damn hippies more like it..
Eshayzbra96 4 months ago
Cronkite was a p8ssy....he gave up the war after Tet. Just when we were kinda making a play.
Majik2oo 5 months ago
hi,i think you lost ,because you can't beating army vietnam ,the army vietnam verry brave and not fear died.however the war not benefits,you died and me died,we are win,however we are not want war .but america or any natinal have intention to invade vietnam ,you will lost you died
thieuducvu 5 months ago
@thieuducvu the war was strategically lost. the americans won the battles. but you can win battles and still lose the war. the same can be said of the british during the american revolution. the americans lost more battles than they won. they just kept poppping up. in the end, the american colonies simply weren't worth keeping..
same can be said of the americans in vietnam...it just wasn't worth the effort after 8 years of battle. ho looked at america's history.
neoconsnightmare3 5 months ago
damn
mrfreeze0054 5 months ago
south vietnam DID request help, but it was from a series of weak, corrupt governments.
ho chi minh requested help as soon as the vietnames (and the viet minh) ousted the japanese and world war 2 ended. he begged the u.s. to recognize vietnamese independence. truman was leaning towards that, but the french then said that if the u.s. recognized vietnamese independence, they wouldn't joint NATO.
as the now laughably stupid fear of communism was 'real' then, truman had no choice
neoconsnightmare3 5 months ago
All that mass murder for what? For nothing.
danielmountain 6 months ago
vietnam we could have won it if aint for those damn yippies
oh and there is no top comment ok well um .......PENIS
benragus 6 months ago
you know Vietnam fought very bravely? we just humiliating the invaders.
thieuducvu 6 months ago
@thieuducvu actually, no 'humiliation' combat wise. as far as POLITICAL humiliation, maybe not even that. most americans couldnt find vietnam on the map before the war, and by the end, they just didn't care.
the vietcong and north vietnamese lost ever BATTLE (not 'raids' on airbases) to the u.s. ia drang can be considered a 'draw' or a 'win' for the u.s., since the n. vietnamese left the field of battle first (a COSTLY win for the u.s., similar to the british 'win' at bunker hill').
neoconsnightmare3 5 months ago
@thieuducvu nobody is discounting the BRAVERY of the n.vietnamese. no american vet i've come to know would say they were punks.
however, facts are facts. 15 years after the u.s. pulled out, vietnam BEGGED the u.s. to let it back into the family of nations, and went about finding american MIAs to prove it. win/win for both sides.
vietnam DID humiliate china after it invaded and left a trail of destruction, and drove chinese backed government out of cambodia.
neoconsnightmare3 5 months ago
"Be The First Family On The Block, To Have Your Boy Come Home In A Box.....
TheKrapzapper 6 months ago
God Bless them. Many died not wanting to be there. The important thing to remember about all this is that they did serve and did not run to Canada.
rmachayes 6 months ago
morly saffer was alot younger
Ben67789 6 months ago
Probably 70,000 Americans were killed By the Soviet Backed Viet Kong Rebels...
TheSallu1983 6 months ago
@TheSallu1983 The official American Casualties in Vietnam revised as of 1 June 2011:
--58,272 KIA (killed)or non-combat deaths (including the missing & deaths in captivity)
--303,644 WIA (wounded, including 153,303 who required hospitalization and 150,341 who didn't)
--1,687 MIA (missing, originally 2,646)
--866 POW (765 released, 36 escaped, 65 died in captivity)
caporalchef4 6 months ago
oh COME ON! STOP FUKING ARGUING!!! IT WAS NOONES FAULT, JUST LIKE ANY OTHER WAR!!! there were no rreal winners, just losers.
mattsplat97 6 months ago
"Chuckle vision Chuckle,chuckle vision!"
Alxalifate 6 months ago
'day and night for seven days they were pounded by heavy mortar fire and raked by machine guns...bombs exploding just yards away... there was no sleep, no rest, no water ' ... that must have sucked
yay78900 7 months ago
good to see a day when there are no wars big or small.
Lightingbolt008 7 months ago
I mean really quick
206JBreezy 7 months ago
Man to bad some people wanted us to pull of the war because its not ours. I think we could of won abd beat the North Vietnamese and the South's people wouldn't have to suffer and die and go to "re-education" camps if we didn't interfere they would have definitely lost.
206JBreezy 7 months ago
@206JBreezy You lost any way, even after horrible bombing campaigns on the North. Was all for nothing, and it was a lie that got you into the war in the first place ( gulf of tonkin )
pigeonpsycho 7 months ago
@206JBreezy .....but like pigeonpsycho says, you lost anyways, with a TON of casualty and death on your side. the prolonged battle caused the huge number of deaths; what a silly thing to say.
littledustball 7 months ago
old shit
greenpower0922 7 months ago
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vet725 8 months ago
long life the asian hahahahahah f**k usa
kaasvlinder 8 months ago
@kaasvlinder You are welcome to leave any time. We don't want people here with your "Damn America" attitude.
TBird5790 7 months ago
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@TBird5790 You two chuckleheads need a geography lesson. The Netherlands are not part of the US of A.
PrometheanRunGood 6 months ago
@kaasvlinder You might as well get the fuck out of america and live in your 3rd world country, Ps im asian.
IcampWithmarathon 7 months ago
@IcampWithmarathon You two chuckleheads need a geography lesson. The Netherlands are not part of the US of A.
PrometheanRunGood 6 months ago
Damn @ 06:36. What a stirring testimonial. Why the fuck didn't we get out after Beckwith said this about the Viet Cong?
Beckwith did not like the South Vietnamese in his camp. That's for sure.
sethaus75 8 months ago
Vietnam was a wake-up call for American politicians as well as for American forces dealing with those guys the gloves should have come off... Sooner and with no stupid media to ruin the campaign.. just fight! destroy the enemy and liberate the people no fair fight its WAR! Just defeat your enemy's
shootload1911 8 months ago
@shootload1911 It wasn't even our war to begin with. It was a Vietnamese Civil War and we just beauregarded our way into it.
99thJediWarrior 8 months ago
@shootload1911 true dude, so true
Laranzava 8 months ago
@shootload1911 that is what i'm talking about!
tomtom12690 8 months ago
An interesting point of fact is that at that attack on the Special forces camp at pleiku the senior American green berets advisor stated the v.c. were the beat mist dedicated soldiers he's ever seen.. well that man was Charles Beckwith the man who created the Army's delta force unit...
shootload1911 8 months ago
Read about this campaign in Jack Laurence's book "The Cat from Hue"
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Moneys527 8 months ago
If you want to learn more about the Ia Drang Valley battle read the book We Were Soldiers Once... and Young. It is one of the greatest war novels ever made and it was written by soldiers who were actually there during the battle
giterdone246 9 months ago
@giterdone246 actually just bought that book!!! can't wait to read
KarmicJuggernaut 9 months ago
Wow, this is a newsreel which goes back to sometime early '60s. Interesting.
Tony1949d 9 months ago
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JustinAndrews74 10 months ago
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kill all invaders of the motherland
JustinAndrews74 10 months ago
kill all invaders of the motherland
JustinAndrews74 10 months ago
HaHa CBS and cronkite.LIBS
ThePete65 10 months ago
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@Alexn1067 Sorry to educate you but Australians were not happy to have US soldiers in their territory. Before you make stupid statements like that, you should research history more or you end up looking like an ignorant fool. They had no choice as it was the political agreement that all Allied forces be under the US commander (Allies vs. Axis). Look up "Battle of Brisbane" were US troops and Aussies killed each other. It was war and Aussies had to accept US occupation.
AccordGTR 10 months ago
@Alexn1067 Sorry to educate you but Australians were not happy to have US soldiers in their territory. Before you make stupid statements like that, you should research history more or you end up looking like an ignorant fool. They had no choice as it was the political agreement that all Allied forces be under the US commander (Allies vs. Axis). Look up "Battle of Brisbane" were US troops and Aussies killed each other. It was war and Aussies had to accept US occupation.
AccordGTR 10 months ago
Walter Cronkite the Liberal Mouth piece.
bobtis 10 months ago
@bobtis cronkite was actually FOR the vietnam war. after tet, he realized what most folks were understanding: the vietnamese had been fighting invaders for CENTURIES, and the way the u.s. was fighting the war (not the soldiers/marines/airment or sailors but the commanders and civilians) could not overcome such a determined enemy.
throwing around useless terms like 'liberal' and 'conservative', without understanding the bigger picture, does nothing.
neoconsnightmare3 10 months ago
bọn Tầu chó má. là người Việt chúng ta phải góp tiếng nói. trên bàn chính trị thì mình phải ngọt lạt. Nhưng thực tế Trung Quốc là kẻ thù số 1 của Việt Nam. Nó mà làm bá chủ thì nó xóa xổ Việt Nam ngay. Hãy cùng lên tiếng. ít nhất là cho con em Việt Nam biết Trung Quốc nó là kẻ thù của chúng ta
gietchotau 10 months ago
I love it, as soon as the war started, you had D-bags like walter here talking about un-bearable losses. Nothing ever changes, it was the same as it was then as it is now.
Alexn1067 10 months ago
Vietnam is a war that most americans do not understand and it is a disgrace i knew the Ia drang valley when i was in 1rst grade
nicksalemno 1 year ago
Awesome awesome awesome. good upload.
SilverSpoons17319 1 year ago
hey guys, great video. Anyone heard about that U.S army massacre, killing hundreds of innocent vietnamese when only 2 charlies were in that village. I have nothing against the US but its something to remember! Supposadly a misunderstanding of communication, anyway they moved in with flamethrowers and burnt the fukers out of em
MrKoala18 1 year ago
@MrKoala18 Army sons of bitches. It had always been them that mess the job.
1stMarineCapt 11 months ago
@1stMarineCapt what you said was just about the dumbest thing anyone can say. the army not only 'always messes up' (idiotic statement) but actually WINS wars.
hate to piss on your cornflakes, but you can't name a war (i don't count grenada because the 'enemy' was a bunch of construction workers) that marines ever won?
fact is, neither is 'better' than the other, and your statement is beyond laughable.
neoconsnightmare3 10 months ago
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vet725 8 months ago
@vet725 How do you like about close air? You mean the casuality it did (not) inflict?
cassius969 8 months ago
@1stMarineCapt
Vietnam was a war more suited for Marines and Special Forces then it was for conventional forces
snakes3425 10 months ago
@snakes3425 Airborne and Marines. Green Berets and SEALs. Yes. Best and match. Cause we want somethin' leap in and out with troops jump off those flying vehicles rather than troops march into combat areas. Yes, you're right.
1stMarineCapt 10 months ago
@1stMarineCapt
Things may have been different had a Marine Corps general who had experience fighitng the Japanese in the Pacific Theather, been in charge of Combat operations in Vietnam instead of an Army General
snakes3425 10 months ago
@snakes3425 The army always mess up shits. I don't blame army infantry, but I hate those sons of bitches that sits on chairs, reading news, reports and knew nothing but try to be knowledgable.
Yes you're right. Better be if there was someone with enough of Pacific combat experience.
1stMarineCapt 10 months ago
@1stMarineCapt Wow, that's true, but it was the guys in the field that pulled the triggers. Taking orders from fools makes you a fool.
kayakbruce1 9 months ago
@kayakbruce1 Suppose I think there was Vietcong at the village. You know what those rats are good at.
1stMarineCapt 9 months ago
@snakes3425 perderiam do mesmo jeito ,a america não e imbativel.a guerra contra os japas foi diferente.
juninho44ful 9 months ago
how do you like the jet plane?the rocket is also a pretty cool thing as well. guess what? these are german .the v-2 was a rocket that was able to leave the earth up to about 70 miles!then came in on it's target,not to shabby for 1945 huh? resources were germany's problem,that and fighting east and west.if hitler did'nt attack russia and kept him supplying the raw materials that stalin sent ,you would be speeking german now!
guitarman12364 1 year ago
did ye win?
sotefb 1 year ago
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all americans should be killed
Martinez1887 1 year ago
why no color
jikustik 1 year ago
@jikustik believe or not, color TV did not happen till 1970's
AccordGTR 1 year ago
@jikustik ops sory....i dont know.....but thanks for info
jikustik 1 year ago
All these discussion on how great or not great America is. Yes, it is true that America has helped many countries in wars sacrifycing its people. And I really respect these people that fought for us ( I'm Dutch ) in WWII and for many other people in the world during other wars. Without America, many countries would have lost their freedom or be killed.
It's good being proud of your country but many americans live this megalomania, this can be very annoying sometimes. We all need each other.
BeatXtreme 1 year ago
58 000 dead americans soldiers and 2 million vietnamies greatest battle of all time vietnamies is smart there trapps was amazing man
OUWATZAHLE08 1 year ago
USA = UNITED STATES OF AWESOME
IM SORRY EUROFAGS I CANT HEAR YOU FROM HOW AWESOME WE ARE.
rice31254 1 year ago
@rice31254 comn im american and even i know u gota tone it down a notch. ur makin me look bad and the rest of america talkin like an ignoramus...
strappingYungLad 1 year ago
@strappingYungLad
The reason why I exclaimed this is because people talk shit about the US until they need us.
rice31254 1 year ago
@rice31254
need you to what? who the Fuck asked you for help? all you do is kill women and children
erasmus55 6 months ago
@erasmus55
Actually, South Vietnam requested for our help and we agreed to help them.
Learn your facts correctly.
We kill women and children? Oh because your country is so fucking innocent themselves too?
rice31254 5 months ago
@rice31254 south vietnam DID request help, but it was from a series of weak, corrupt governments.
ho chi minh requested help as soon as the vietnames (and the viet minh) ousted the japanese and world war 2 ended. he begged the u.s. to recognize vietnamese independence. truman was leaning towards that, but the french then said that if the u.s. recognized vietnamese independence, they wouldn't joint NATO.
as the now laughably stupid fear of communism was 'real' then, truman had no choice
neoconsnightmare3 5 months ago
@rice31254
sorry whats that?cant hear you as you run away from another lost war ha ha
erasmus55 6 months ago
@erasmus55 you're from new zealand? what wars has new zealand won? new zealand had 3800 troops in vietnam, and 34 were killed.
not a lot, but that just goes to show that with a tiny population, new zealand may be a great place to visit, but is an international nobody.
this isn't to put your country down. it's to say that as part of the ANZUS deal, new zealand was RIGHT THERE with the u.s. from beginning to end.
so if the u.s. 'lost' the war, so did new zealand.
neoconsnightmare3 5 months ago
@neoconsnightmare3 new hless refugees. zealand was part of western force which makes them just as good as americans we all fought together. we didn't loose the war. we just walked away .if we wanted we could turn vietnam to dust. we just walked away cause it wasn't worth it ,no oil. no money ,just refugees and heroin. that's all vietnam had to offer the u.s dope and worthless refugees.
frezdead1 5 months ago
@frezdead1 yes, we 'lost' the war because the allies didn't accomplish what they set out to do, which was to keep an independent s. vietnam.
as for 'worthless refugees', my wife is a refugee from vietnam. i hardly count her or her family as 'worthless'. in fact, she has made herself quite educated and successful in her career in canada.
neoconsnightmare3 5 months ago 2
@neoconsnightmare3
Does she own a massage parlor?
Did she give handjobs back in 'Nam before you met her?
FLICKtheUSA 4 months ago
@FLICKtheUSA no, your mother isn't that fancy. she just works in some dive gloryhole in your trailer park.
oh, you were trying to project your mother's sluttish and whorish ways on my wife? how many times do i have to tell you that MOST women aren't the whores/sluts/slatterns your mother is. and most men don't frequent the houses of ill repute your father (still don't know who he is, do you?) 'hit and quit' your mom at.
sucks being you. bwahahahahahahahaha
neoconsnightmare3 4 months ago
@neoconsnightmare3
LOL, my mom has hats that cost more than your truck. You do drive a truck, don't you? ;)
Yeah, it sucks being me... having everything paid for, being debt free, owning a nice (Japanese) car ('10 Acura RL). While you're still having flashbacks and trying to fix that 'ol truck.
It's called class warfare, and I'm clearly winning.
FLICKtheUSA 4 months ago
@FLICKtheUSA uhh, why would i drive a truck? seriously, where'd THAT come from?
why would you buy a japanese car, a car made by asian men who have asian mothers...mothers you've claimed are 'whores', etc.? we both know you're projecting, but what the hell?
what 'flashback' am i having? and what's up with the truck? you just saying shit in an attempt to sound funny?
hint: those that brag about being rich on the internet are typically the exact opposite.
neoconsnightmare3 4 months ago
@neoconsnightmare3
Just assuming you're a redneck hick in a truck, just like you assumed something about a trailer park.
and what's up with the trailer park? you just saying shit in an attempt to sound funny?
FLICKtheUSA 4 months ago