its interesting how many fall for the propaganda of capitalism such as soviet union was communist when it hasnt been achieved.people before you speak on certain topic learn about it
actually the interesting thing about that time was that yes guatemala did have communism in it arbenz wife was a socialist and studyd marxism as a matter of fact she influenced arbenz into communist socialist marxist ideas.also alot of the people in the gov were communists.so basically this was a good thing.also it was mainly because of communist that the ten years of spring happened
I is so sad to see my beautiful country the way that it is. Everyday reports of killings by the gangs. Dead people on the street. Hungry children asking you for money. People that reject their culture (very sad). The gangs are in a way the authorities were my parents live in Santa Lucia Cotzulmaguapa.
US THE GREATEST TERRORISTS TO HAVE EVER IMPOSED TERROR.
Yes, the killing is starting up again & many are saying it's a lot to do with the closer ties between the U.S. & Guatemala again.
The killings had died down after the CIA stopped secretly sending money to the Guatemalan Govt. in the mid to late 90's, but Amnesty International is reporting many deaths of Women in particular.
I moved to California at a young age but I take at least 1 trip a year to Guate. That is very disturbing that the U.S. could be responsible for the grotesque deaths in the country. But man, if only you could see the things that I've seen while visiting over the recent years. Beheadings in the jails, the bus drivers killed daily, there seems to be no end.
Like I said, by far the most sad thing about Guatemala is the discrimination of the indigenous people, THE PURE RACE!
It's mad isn't it, that one of the safest places that people have to move to, to get away from the terror of the United States, is the United States itself.
It's amazing how democracies can grant so many freedoms to their own citizens (including immigrants) & yet at the same time, literally get away with genocide elsewhere.
It's also amazing that many people don't recognize who it is who is oppressing them. I found this with Indonesia. Many are not aware of the US & UK role their.
This coup was the main reason why Ernesto "Che" Guevara turned into a revolutionary, many out there labeled him as a murderer because of killin' hundreds of Batista's men, but videos like this reveal the reason why anyone can become after being a witness of the atrocities committed by the CIA in the name of capitalism and imperialism
Yeah it's too bad he didn't witness the 120 murdered, tortured and starved by the communist regimes of the planet then he would have joined up with the CIA and we would all think of him as a hero today.
Don't exaggerate. If we take a median calculation of the reliable historians estimates on Communist death tolls it works out at about 50 million. Most of which were DUE TO FAMINE.
Okay, it can be argued that even the Mao famines (which killed around 30 million) - though not deliberate - can be blamed on the rigid system of dictatorship imposed.
But if you want to be honest about it, rather than propagandistic. Communism was probably responsible for the death & murders of around 10-15 million.
Which is deplorable. But, compare it to the 17 million killed by Capitalist Britain in India alone, or even the 18 million killed by Capitalist Europeans in the Atlantic Slave Trade alone, or the 10-20 million killed by Britain & America since WWII alone & you gain a more realistic perspective.
Nope, don't drink, smoke or do drugs mate, can't afford to. So what about the wealthy people we work for, who make heaps of cash from sitting on their fat arses? Do we owe they cunts a living? What about the bankers and brokers who fucked up the economoy? Did we owe them a bailout too?
If we started giving a shit about what our elected officials were doing, and who was funding their bankroll, and how they vote on certain issues, we might turn this corruption around. But before we do anything, we need to get rid of the Federal Reserve and the international banking cartel that own it. We also need to prosecute the criminals that have sold themselves, and us, to the highest bidder. We need our own Federal government bank, and we need to repeal the corrupt corporate laws...
Our original government, the Republic government that was signed into effect in 1776, is still the best and brightest declaration of human rights ever presented to the people of this planet. The corruption of politicians, selling themselves like whores to the highest bidder, is what got us into this mess! The rise of corporate power and the banking industries are what ruined this country! The idea of a Republic government and a Constitution is still the best form of government...
Wrong. There have been MUCH better documents created many more times. You sound ridiculous.
The U.S. Constitution was created to protect the interests and property of the ruling members of the elite class, while giving just enough of a facade of self-determination to regular people to get them to shut up. The system was doomed from the start.
Exactly how It would work long term is hard to say, as a truly functioning democratic system would have to decide for itself & it would have to be fairly adaptive & pragmatic to avoid the catastrophes suffered by idealogically driven change.
An anarcho-capitalist model would have private security firms & private courts taking care of Law & order. Syndicalists would suggest the people themselves to take control of the existing services.
Well, I don't see how you would bring all this about. Thanks for the information. I saw the protests in Seattle and other places. I was never really sure what it was all about. Good luck.
Yes, thanks to the police tactics & media misinformation against anarchists; arresting journalists like Amy Goodman & general violence against peaceful protesters, never shown by the mainstream media, but well documented by amateur footage here on youtube.
Nothing worthwhile came easily, but the improvements brought about by popular struggle in the past show that anything is possible.
Also, many millions of people will be inversely affected by the declining economic situation. If it is as bad as many economists have predicted, we could be looking at civil unrest.
Consistent with 600 years of boom bust cycles, the unprecedented wealth & the improved lifestyle that the common man currently enjoys can disappear in the blink of an eye.
Passivity could be replaced by desperation & who knows, maybe even a pro-active determination to redress the imbalance of power.
Love your comment, it's a bit of socialist fantasy isn't it ?
"Passivity could be replaced by desperation & who knows, maybe even a pro-active determination to redress the imbalance of power"
sounds like you are giving yourself a wee treat there, thinking we can over throw the queen and her cohorts in a revolution.
You commies would be just as bad though. You'd make women ugly,we'd have to like billy brag and study arthur scargil in school. Donkey jackets and toe cap boots would be cool again
It's only a fantasy if you are stupid enough to believe that we really do live in an era of unprecedented wealth that will never decline, or that workers rights are here to stay & it is impossible for them to erode or be taken away.
It used to be deemed a fantasy that the end of slavery would arise, but it happened. The only problem is, it was replaced with wage slavery.
It's true that it will be a struggle, especially with dichotomous thinkers like you around, attempting to brand anyone preferring alternatives to Capitalism a Communist.
I'm merely trying to point out that social change is more possible in times of civil unrest, that historically change occurs at such times & that given the cyclical nature of a Capitalist economy, civil unrest is never too far round the corner.
Yeah and bleating bores jealous of others abilities to make a nice life for themselves.
Just because you cant stand people to choose how they live don't make you right.
Wage slave ? sounds like you try and avoid earning a wage to me. To cover your lazy ass, you spout all this shite, but really, it's just you and the rest of the poor fuckers who can't make a decent living.
There is nothing honorable about poverty. I wiz raised in a mining family so i know all about poverty and it sucks
You assume that I don't earn money, based on what evidence?
You know nothing about my circumstances. Is this what you base most of your Worldview on, guesswork?
Why do you suggest that I am pro poverty?
2/3rds of the World is Capitalist & 2/3rds of the World is poor! According to UN figures 100 million people die of starvation or hunger related diseases every 10 years!
I'm against poverty, that's why I'm anti-Capitalist.
You'd probably do better to ask what I do stand for & then argue against what I'm really for, than pretend that I am a Communist & then argue that I am wrong based on your erroneous assumptions.
Similarly, if you did read the previous comments & noted that I have anarcho-syndicalist sympathies (& anti-communist tendencies), you would do well to go & research the subject of syndicalism so that you don't fall into the trap of condemning irrelevant straw men out of ignorance.
So what was the cause of your poverty, in the mining family you were raised in, just out of curiosity? What do you blame for those conditions you lived in, like millions of other people do to this day? Was your father lazy? Incapable of working and earning a 'good living'?
Why should anyone suggest a better way than working for a living?
Anarchy syndicalism is about the workers taking over the means of production & working in volunteeristic syndicates, co-operatives & businesses as well as governing themselves politically.
Wage slavery doesn't mean that you don't want to work, it means that you want a fairer system of work rather than being forced to work for privileged elites who have a virtual monopolisitic control over resources.
The greatest problem of Capitalism is that it expects us, the people to suddenly compete in a 'free market' against rich elites who are not only so vast & powerful, but gained that vast power through monopolistic means & often through state subsidy (as I mentioned earlier 80% of firms in the Forutne top 100 have received State subsidies at some time.
The upholding of property laws also allows rich elites to own vast tracts of land & push it's value beyond all reasonable levels.
In Britian less than 1% own 69% of the land! It's basically the same families that owned it centuries ago.
There is enough land on the planet to give every single living human 7-9 acres each. About 2-4 acres of it is habitable. Of course sharing it would be unworkable, but there are many alternatives. Such as heavily taxing large portions of owned land or allowing anyone to camp down & claim unused land & many other solutions.
The problem is, if you implement many of these solutions, people can't be forced to work for the privileged few. They would work for themselves, particularly if they had the same access to the resources that they are denied by the rich elites ownership of resources situated on their property.
Look man, crime is happening in systems that create poverty, inequality and oppression. That's why anarchists believe that if all these thinks disappear from humanity then the crime will extinct. If people live a life based on equality and humanness the, they will not have any reason to commit any crime.
There will always be crime & there will always be killing, but you are right that the current system of inequality exacerbates crime & of course, vast institutions like the State are prone to systematic abuses & at atrocities either domestically or abroad.
Sociological study after study has shown that countries with greater disparities have the greatest crime rates. The whole Capitalist system of stealing land from the masses & rounding them up in concrete jungles (cities) doesn't help either.
Sure crime always existed even in anarchic societies like in Catalonia-Spain(1936-39) and in Ukraine(under Makhno's rule) but there was unity amongst the people in order to keep their society alive, so they overcame many difficult circumstances.
These societies did not collapsed from domestic enemies but from enemies outside of their territory. Crime will never extinct at all but you can reduce it at a minimum.
"crime is happening in systems that create poverty" Systems that create poverty? Systems don't create poverty. Poverty is man's natural state of being.
Sorry i just wanted to say that property in statist systems does not free the people. It is simply used by the proprietors and the state to abuse the workers and gain the surplus value of it. I am against the way that property is used, not the property itself.
While u try to redefine "system" or "natural state of human being" i just point the fact that people get to choose their own government and not someone else country policing the world or manipulating it. I dont like to do numbers when it comes to tell who killed more because killing is just wrong. We must just need to respect every nation sovereignty in every aspect political and territorial.
In WW2 Switzerland was neutral. Suppose they democratically elected a govt that was going to aid the Nazi war machine. Would they be a justified target of the Allies to manipulate it if they could and to topple the govt?
The influence of a bigger state on a third world or smaller country is inevitable specially if they are in the same region if there is no good relations between nations there's where diplomacy resumes. Now American methods of conspiracy, sabotage and embargo have been very effective along history nothing like Nazi Germany that was by diplomacy or by force they couldn't apply embargos They didn't finance anyone in the region but who financed the Nazis? Americans.
Alright. But I live in America and you live in the UK. So I ask...what's wrong with the existing world order? Are you sure if the world order was changed that 100 million people wouldn't starve? Or would it just be a different 100 million? Why is everyone so down on the "Western Powers"? We have caused a lot of misery...yes. But we have also contributed more and continue to contribute more to mankind than any block of people in human history. Why all this self-loathing?
Historically the Western powers have acted to serve elite interests only. There was plenty of rhetoric about creating a better world, but imperialism was a way for rich elites to profit at the expense of their own populations.
Take the British occupation of
India. The rich profited from the exploitation of India whilst the population paid for it in taxes. Exactly what happens today in Latin America & is happening in Iraq.
The benefits to domestic populations came about out of fear of revolution. The high wages & workers rights that we receive to day came about by popular struggle. The struggle of the labor movements. They were fought for, they weren't granted by Capitalist out of the goodness of their hearts.
Our treatment & lot was improved for fear of revolution. For fear that the privileged elite would lose their power.
The competitive system basically consolidates power for the privileged few at the expense of the masses.
We are told that a free trade system is the only 'fair' system. But the problem is that it is a lie.
Look at corporations & the subsidies they receive. 25 of the top Fortune 100 companies have been fully bailed out from collapse with public money. 80% of them have received State funding at some point.
It's free trade for the poor & benefits for the rich.
So are you suggesting Communism? That does not work in practice. People will not pull their weight and the system collapses into corruption and stratification that is a bigger mess than capitalism.
Yeah, but again, that was a long time ago (British East India). Who did any better? The Soviets? The Khmer Rouge? You should know better than to believe in utopias. Man's base and self-serving nature will always spoil the day. I hear you saying a lot that may be true, but what are you proposing as an alternative? I could find flaw all day long with the American "system", but it's one of the best systems in the world...as flawed as it is. I used to be idealist. Now I have to work.
Firstly, Communism was doomed to failure because of the totalitarian nature of the proposed dictatorship of the Proletariat & enforced collectivisation. Just because Communism failed, doesn't mean we are stuck with Crony Capitalism.
Also, bear in mind that the US govt. support the Khmer Rouge. You would do well to go to the Cambodian Holocaust site where Ben Keirnan contributes.
Remember that America dropped 2.7 million tonnes of bombs on Cambodia & killed 600,000 people b4 Pol Pot.
The CIA figures estimated 1 million deaths as a result of starvation from the destruction of the agricultural areas due to the bombing. The U.S. also backed Lon Nol's insurgency into Cambodia. It was brutal. They ripped babies apart & all sorts of brutal stuff.
When the Khmer people took power, they basically took revenge on the sympathisers of Lon Nol's forces.
Interestingly, Ben Kiernan cites 5-600k actual executions by Pol Pot & 1 million due to famine.
So, the actual amount of deaths due solely to Pol Pot & the amount due to the consequences of U.S. actions is hard to tell. We know that the U.S. killed around 600k (The Finnish study, Ben Kiernan & the CIA figures support this).
Pol Pot's actual executions are estimated at around 600k too. But the million who died of starvation, has a lot to do with the U.S. bombing of the agricultural areas.
Clinton declassified maps of the bomb sites in the 90's. I've got links if you want to see.
Yeah Iknow, I'm not disputing that the American are masters when it comes to killing. What I asked was what do you propose as an alternative....I was never clear on that.
Yes, I'm aware of that part of American history..I lived through it. Perhaps "crony capitalism" is destructive....what is the workable alternative...accounting for human nature?
There are many alternatives, from anarcho-syndicalism to libertarian social leaning capitalism.
For me, self governance is the key, a gradual dismantling of the State & decentralization of power from the privileged few to the masses.
Economically speaking, the domestic problem is that private power profits when the public pays. This happens to a far greater extent than people realise. Look at the way public money is funneled to big business through the Pentagon system in the US.
We are told that Capitalism has created all these great inventions. But most of them were actually created with public money by the military & then given to private companies to profit from.
Computers are a great example of this. They were nurtured through the expensive R&D stage through 80% public money in the 50s. Transistors were created by Bell Labs, which is a child company of AT&T that received public subsidies. The internet was developed from the military prototypes on public money.
The World Wide Web was invented by Tim Berners Lee whilst he was working at Cern, which is funded by European govts. The Internet is basically a socialist invention, however, the people paid for it & the companies profit.
Same with satelites, the aeronautical industry, etc.
Look at world trade. It's based on containers invented by the US navy, funded by public money.
All the time the taxpayer pays & the rich elites profit. Capitalism as it exists is just a big con, a nanny state for the rich.
Yeah I know....I spend most of my pay on medical insurance that covers nothing. "social leaning capitalism" doesn't sound too radical. If you are proposing anarchy and dismantling the state..what are we to do? Should we all buy guns? Who will enforce the laws and fix the roads and pay for the schools?
Who will enforce the laws & pay for social services? We would. Anarchy doesn't mean there is no governance. It means that there is nobody governing you. We govern ourselves.
We don't get others to represent our interests, because others will always sell their services to the highest bidders.
We represent ourselves. We don't just vote, we participate in politics.
The fact that you don't care that your & my government has sponsored terrorism, torture & slaughter in many many countries, including Guatemala is irrelevant.
The fact remains that other people do care & are keen to inform others (one of the reasons for uploading videos like these) & many people are willing to take action.
Globalisation & the accompanying trade deals are all designed to keep developing countries indebted to the Western powers & their allies. They are designed to keep the current World order intact. To keep the developing nations in poverty.
Given that 100 million people die of starvation & hunger related diseases every decade (according to UN figures) due to the continuation of such policies I would call anyone who protests against such policies a hero & true humanitarian.
Well sure, they have no power, running water or heat. Most of their buildings are destroyed, their leaders have been killed and their countries are in ruins....but they're free, man....free.
You seem to have forgotten that the Reagan & Bush snr administrations supported Saddam Hussein.
Not only did the U.S. & the U.K. send chemical precursors & weapons (via firms in Europe & Latin America for plausible deniability) they also blocked a draft U.N. resolution condemning Saddam's use of Chemical Weapons in '84.
Take a look at my video: Rumsfeld meets Saddam -rare with sound
for declassified State Dept Documents (in the video info section) proving this.
The blocking of this resolution gave Saddam the green light to gas 100 of thousands of Kurds. You also need to take a look at the countless brutal dictators the U.S. & America have installed in the World.
Suharto in Indonesia for example. The CIA overthrew a democracy & installed Suharto & sent death lists to help him slaughter 600,000 people. This is documented in declassified CIA docs. Check out my video:
CIA Atrocities Declassified
The documents are linked in the video info section.
I didn't forget...I don't care. Let me clarify my position. I have the day off and I'm high. I don't give a shit about anything you're saying. I just like fucking with self-important cyber fags. I think it's funny. Stop taking yourself so seriously and smoke some weed. I didn't even watch your whack-job video.
It's not the weed that made you a faggot. It's the fact that you are persian....you are all fags. Anyhow, If you are from Iran, why are you using a computer? Don't they chop your hands off for that?
Also, if you are iranian, why do you have a picture of Osama Bin Laden.....you should hate him more than you hate America. He's Sunni. He'd rather kill an Iranian than an American. Ha Ha. You are a little cyber-faggot. Zip your pants up, turn off the computer and get out of your parents basement.
It's not about taking ourselves seriously, its about taking the state of World affairs seriously.
It's not so much about 'self importance' as trying to find the facts that the 'free press' deliberately keep from us, so we can be properly informed & make better judgments about the world we live in & hopefully stop innocent people being slaughtered for profit.
Im sorry if we pricked you out of your recreational drug bubble with a bit of real world stuff. You can go back to watching cartoons now.
you would know , always checking those gay persian websites on your mothers puter. your a slave the only thing u know about Iran is what your told, you isreal loving SLAVE!!
Anyhow, if you're a Brit, why are you so wrapped up with America's business. Nixon? Give me a break. Don't tell me you're still freaking out about Vietnam....we've moved on. We love Britain. You guys are so scrappy you show up for our wars before we do. I thought that bit in the Falklands was a masterpiece. Quit with the conspiracy shit...it's boring. As far as the "drug bubble" thing...we all know weed isn't "drugs".
The overthrow of democracy in Indonesia & CIA sending of death lists is an irrefutable fact, it's on the declassified CIA record.
The U.S. blocking of the U.N. resolution condemning Saddam's use of CW in '84 is irrefutable. The declassified State Dept. cable instructing their UN delegate to do so is on the National Archive website.
Like I say, i've got links to them in the following vids:
I'm not disputing the validity of your claims. I'm saying who cares? You worrying about what happened in Cambodia 35 years ago or what United Fruit Co. did 50 years ago? Who cares?
Because it's very important in understanding U.S. & U.K. foreign policy today. The evidence still suggests that America & Britain are still blocking democracy abroad, still invading & still plundering other countries for profit & control of resources.
The problem we have in reviewing the current internal record to find irrefutable evidence is that it runs dry around the late 70's, since very little is declassified within the 30 year secrecy buffer.
I have no doubt that The US and Britain are doing just what you suggest...again, who cares? We can put..say African resources to better use than the Africans can make of it. This game has been going on for thousands of years. Who cares?
why do you keep asking me who cares, when it is clearly you who doesn't care?
Plenty of people care. Why do you think the 'free' press doesn't tell us about most of this stuff? Because they know that the majority of people would care & do something to change it.
Take Guatemala for instance. America was supporting the death squads for decades, it wasn't till Amnesty started raising the issue that the public got to hear about it. The Reagan admin had even tried to discredit AI to shut them up.
When it broke through to the public in the 90s congress was forced to do something about it: they voted to stop the flow of aid to the GOG in 1990. Of course the CIA kept sending aid secretly for 5 or 6 more years.
When that was eventually stopped, the torture & the killing stopped.
It is precisely because people do care that this stuff is kept from them by the vested interests of the rich elite owned media.
U.S. has a habit of overthrowing any government they don't like whether it is democracy or not. they don't care just as long as the new government is willing to obey the U.S. just look at iran. but then it got blow back.
Incidentally, anybody wanting to check out the declassified documents for the UK/US overthrow of democracy in Iran in '53, please check out my other video:
Don't forget the U.K. complicity in the overthrow of Mossedegh. In fact, it was Britain who requested that the CIA help overthrow the Iranian democracy as Mossedegh had shut down all British embassy for fear of such subversion after attempting to nationalize British Petrolium.
Some of the declassified documents in my Iran video are actually taken from the London draft of the plan to overthrow Mossedegh.
Awesome videos, now look at what`s happening in Libya!
SevenLeggedWalrus 10 months ago
its interesting how many fall for the propaganda of capitalism such as soviet union was communist when it hasnt been achieved.people before you speak on certain topic learn about it
cooks1234 1 year ago
actually the interesting thing about that time was that yes guatemala did have communism in it arbenz wife was a socialist and studyd marxism as a matter of fact she influenced arbenz into communist socialist marxist ideas.also alot of the people in the gov were communists.so basically this was a good thing.also it was mainly because of communist that the ten years of spring happened
cooks1234 1 year ago
I is so sad to see my beautiful country the way that it is. Everyday reports of killings by the gangs. Dead people on the street. Hungry children asking you for money. People that reject their culture (very sad). The gangs are in a way the authorities were my parents live in Santa Lucia Cotzulmaguapa.
US THE GREATEST TERRORISTS TO HAVE EVER IMPOSED TERROR.
MACN100 2 years ago 2
Hello Macn100,
are you originally from Guatemala?
Yes, the killing is starting up again & many are saying it's a lot to do with the closer ties between the U.S. & Guatemala again.
The killings had died down after the CIA stopped secretly sending money to the Guatemalan Govt. in the mid to late 90's, but Amnesty International is reporting many deaths of Women in particular.
CapitalistHolocaust 2 years ago
I moved to California at a young age but I take at least 1 trip a year to Guate. That is very disturbing that the U.S. could be responsible for the grotesque deaths in the country. But man, if only you could see the things that I've seen while visiting over the recent years. Beheadings in the jails, the bus drivers killed daily, there seems to be no end.
Like I said, by far the most sad thing about Guatemala is the discrimination of the indigenous people, THE PURE RACE!
MACN100 2 years ago
It's mad isn't it, that one of the safest places that people have to move to, to get away from the terror of the United States, is the United States itself.
It's amazing how democracies can grant so many freedoms to their own citizens (including immigrants) & yet at the same time, literally get away with genocide elsewhere.
It's also amazing that many people don't recognize who it is who is oppressing them. I found this with Indonesia. Many are not aware of the US & UK role their.
CapitalistHolocaust 2 years ago
The biggest Question is always why can't we have peace.
I would blame the rulling classes who are interested in war to gain power.
lionessimba 2 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Now lets tell everyone at the Associated Press to just come to NYC for the American Patriot is there & he will not stop ever seeking justice.
Google American Patriot Jeff Bootstraps Fisher &scream everywhere Al Gore World Peace Forever
I have many college students in the city asking questions now about Election Fraud.
They are glad that Ron Paul & Dennis Kucinich really are also true patriots & want Bay Point School exposed as well.
In NYC great thanks also goes to Al Sharpton.
LoveAmericaStyle 2 years ago
el gobierno de estados unidos son los terroristas de la humanidad
lekorn 2 years ago
que son correctos
CapitalistHolocaust 2 years ago
America global terrorists.
pigfister 3 years ago
ya'll talkin' black, lol, america is wonderful.
Azzaiel 2 years ago
this is exactly wat they're doing in the middle east now.
plok9408 3 years ago 2
This coup was the main reason why Ernesto "Che" Guevara turned into a revolutionary, many out there labeled him as a murderer because of killin' hundreds of Batista's men, but videos like this reveal the reason why anyone can become after being a witness of the atrocities committed by the CIA in the name of capitalism and imperialism
LiquidT3nsion 3 years ago
Yeah it's too bad he didn't witness the 120 murdered, tortured and starved by the communist regimes of the planet then he would have joined up with the CIA and we would all think of him as a hero today.
TheKuffarKid 2 years ago
Don't exaggerate. If we take a median calculation of the reliable historians estimates on Communist death tolls it works out at about 50 million. Most of which were DUE TO FAMINE.
Okay, it can be argued that even the Mao famines (which killed around 30 million) - though not deliberate - can be blamed on the rigid system of dictatorship imposed.
But if you want to be honest about it, rather than propagandistic. Communism was probably responsible for the death & murders of around 10-15 million.
CapitalistHolocaust 2 years ago
Which is deplorable. But, compare it to the 17 million killed by Capitalist Britain in India alone, or even the 18 million killed by Capitalist Europeans in the Atlantic Slave Trade alone, or the 10-20 million killed by Britain & America since WWII alone & you gain a more realistic perspective.
CapitalistHolocaust 2 years ago
Greatly imformative,thanks.The Comment replys are very interesting too,keep up the good work.
erbeeflower 3 years ago
Great video. The CIA has to be the biggest terrorist threat to humanity.
oclandestin 3 years ago 4
Nope, don't drink, smoke or do drugs mate, can't afford to. So what about the wealthy people we work for, who make heaps of cash from sitting on their fat arses? Do we owe they cunts a living? What about the bankers and brokers who fucked up the economoy? Did we owe them a bailout too?
bolloxinator 3 years ago
If we started giving a shit about what our elected officials were doing, and who was funding their bankroll, and how they vote on certain issues, we might turn this corruption around. But before we do anything, we need to get rid of the Federal Reserve and the international banking cartel that own it. We also need to prosecute the criminals that have sold themselves, and us, to the highest bidder. We need our own Federal government bank, and we need to repeal the corrupt corporate laws...
BABIEBABIE7 3 years ago
Our original government, the Republic government that was signed into effect in 1776, is still the best and brightest declaration of human rights ever presented to the people of this planet. The corruption of politicians, selling themselves like whores to the highest bidder, is what got us into this mess! The rise of corporate power and the banking industries are what ruined this country! The idea of a Republic government and a Constitution is still the best form of government...
BABIEBABIE7 3 years ago
Wrong. There have been MUCH better documents created many more times. You sound ridiculous.
The U.S. Constitution was created to protect the interests and property of the ruling members of the elite class, while giving just enough of a facade of self-determination to regular people to get them to shut up. The system was doomed from the start.
aewester 3 years ago
But how does it work? Like if someone stole from me...would I hold him at gun point and hang him?
nukeiran1981 3 years ago
Exactly how It would work long term is hard to say, as a truly functioning democratic system would have to decide for itself & it would have to be fairly adaptive & pragmatic to avoid the catastrophes suffered by idealogically driven change.
An anarcho-capitalist model would have private security firms & private courts taking care of Law & order. Syndicalists would suggest the people themselves to take control of the existing services.
CapitalistHolocaust 3 years ago
Well, I don't see how you would bring all this about. Thanks for the information. I saw the protests in Seattle and other places. I was never really sure what it was all about. Good luck.
nukeiran1981 3 years ago
Yes, thanks to the police tactics & media misinformation against anarchists; arresting journalists like Amy Goodman & general violence against peaceful protesters, never shown by the mainstream media, but well documented by amateur footage here on youtube.
Nothing worthwhile came easily, but the improvements brought about by popular struggle in the past show that anything is possible.
CapitalistHolocaust 3 years ago
Also, many millions of people will be inversely affected by the declining economic situation. If it is as bad as many economists have predicted, we could be looking at civil unrest.
Consistent with 600 years of boom bust cycles, the unprecedented wealth & the improved lifestyle that the common man currently enjoys can disappear in the blink of an eye.
Passivity could be replaced by desperation & who knows, maybe even a pro-active determination to redress the imbalance of power.
CapitalistHolocaust 3 years ago
Love your comment, it's a bit of socialist fantasy isn't it ?
"Passivity could be replaced by desperation & who knows, maybe even a pro-active determination to redress the imbalance of power"
sounds like you are giving yourself a wee treat there, thinking we can over throw the queen and her cohorts in a revolution.
You commies would be just as bad though. You'd make women ugly,we'd have to like billy brag and study arthur scargil in school. Donkey jackets and toe cap boots would be cool again
BobHaulk 3 years ago
It's only a fantasy if you are stupid enough to believe that we really do live in an era of unprecedented wealth that will never decline, or that workers rights are here to stay & it is impossible for them to erode or be taken away.
It used to be deemed a fantasy that the end of slavery would arise, but it happened. The only problem is, it was replaced with wage slavery.
CapitalistHolocaust 3 years ago
It's true that it will be a struggle, especially with dichotomous thinkers like you around, attempting to brand anyone preferring alternatives to Capitalism a Communist.
I'm merely trying to point out that social change is more possible in times of civil unrest, that historically change occurs at such times & that given the cyclical nature of a Capitalist economy, civil unrest is never too far round the corner.
CapitalistHolocaust 3 years ago
Yeah and bleating bores jealous of others abilities to make a nice life for themselves.
Just because you cant stand people to choose how they live don't make you right.
Wage slave ? sounds like you try and avoid earning a wage to me. To cover your lazy ass, you spout all this shite, but really, it's just you and the rest of the poor fuckers who can't make a decent living.
There is nothing honorable about poverty. I wiz raised in a mining family so i know all about poverty and it sucks
BobHaulk 3 years ago
You assume that I don't earn money, based on what evidence?
You know nothing about my circumstances. Is this what you base most of your Worldview on, guesswork?
Why do you suggest that I am pro poverty?
2/3rds of the World is Capitalist & 2/3rds of the World is poor! According to UN figures 100 million people die of starvation or hunger related diseases every 10 years!
I'm against poverty, that's why I'm anti-Capitalist.
CapitalistHolocaust 3 years ago
You'd probably do better to ask what I do stand for & then argue against what I'm really for, than pretend that I am a Communist & then argue that I am wrong based on your erroneous assumptions.
Similarly, if you did read the previous comments & noted that I have anarcho-syndicalist sympathies (& anti-communist tendencies), you would do well to go & research the subject of syndicalism so that you don't fall into the trap of condemning irrelevant straw men out of ignorance.
CapitalistHolocaust 3 years ago
So what was the cause of your poverty, in the mining family you were raised in, just out of curiosity? What do you blame for those conditions you lived in, like millions of other people do to this day? Was your father lazy? Incapable of working and earning a 'good living'?
bolloxinator 3 years ago
no cunt owes you a living, they didn't have to be miners,ma father didnae want me tae be a miner, why do you think that was ?
Anyhow miners got pretty well paid in comparison to a lot of jobs, we wirnae starving.
Can you suggest a better way than working to earn a living ? or is it cheap booze,roll ups and anarchy.
There is only one law in the universe and it is do what you want
BobHaulk 3 years ago
Why should anyone suggest a better way than working for a living?
Anarchy syndicalism is about the workers taking over the means of production & working in volunteeristic syndicates, co-operatives & businesses as well as governing themselves politically.
Wage slavery doesn't mean that you don't want to work, it means that you want a fairer system of work rather than being forced to work for privileged elites who have a virtual monopolisitic control over resources.
CapitalistHolocaust 3 years ago
The greatest problem of Capitalism is that it expects us, the people to suddenly compete in a 'free market' against rich elites who are not only so vast & powerful, but gained that vast power through monopolistic means & often through state subsidy (as I mentioned earlier 80% of firms in the Forutne top 100 have received State subsidies at some time.
The upholding of property laws also allows rich elites to own vast tracts of land & push it's value beyond all reasonable levels.
CapitalistHolocaust 3 years ago
This means that the average man has to work 800% harder just to pay rent or buy a tiny scrap of land just to occupy a space on the planet.
It's understandable that man has to work & produce to eat & clothe himself, because resources are divisible from nature. Nobody is disputing that.
But to expect him to work just to occupy space is ridiculous, it is like claiming ownership to oxygen & expecting people to pay to breathe.
Property (land) ownership laws forces us into wage slavery.
CapitalistHolocaust 3 years ago
In Britian less than 1% own 69% of the land! It's basically the same families that owned it centuries ago.
There is enough land on the planet to give every single living human 7-9 acres each. About 2-4 acres of it is habitable. Of course sharing it would be unworkable, but there are many alternatives. Such as heavily taxing large portions of owned land or allowing anyone to camp down & claim unused land & many other solutions.
CapitalistHolocaust 3 years ago
The problem is, if you implement many of these solutions, people can't be forced to work for the privileged few. They would work for themselves, particularly if they had the same access to the resources that they are denied by the rich elites ownership of resources situated on their property.
CapitalistHolocaust 3 years ago
Look man, crime is happening in systems that create poverty, inequality and oppression. That's why anarchists believe that if all these thinks disappear from humanity then the crime will extinct. If people live a life based on equality and humanness the, they will not have any reason to commit any crime.
Cres45 3 years ago
There will always be crime & there will always be killing, but you are right that the current system of inequality exacerbates crime & of course, vast institutions like the State are prone to systematic abuses & at atrocities either domestically or abroad.
Sociological study after study has shown that countries with greater disparities have the greatest crime rates. The whole Capitalist system of stealing land from the masses & rounding them up in concrete jungles (cities) doesn't help either.
CapitalistHolocaust 3 years ago
Sure crime always existed even in anarchic societies like in Catalonia-Spain(1936-39) and in Ukraine(under Makhno's rule) but there was unity amongst the people in order to keep their society alive, so they overcame many difficult circumstances.
These societies did not collapsed from domestic enemies but from enemies outside of their territory. Crime will never extinct at all but you can reduce it at a minimum.
Cres45 3 years ago 2
"crime is happening in systems that create poverty" Systems that create poverty? Systems don't create poverty. Poverty is man's natural state of being.
TheKuffarKid 2 years ago
Sorry i just wanted to say that property in statist systems does not free the people. It is simply used by the proprietors and the state to abuse the workers and gain the surplus value of it. I am against the way that property is used, not the property itself.
Cres45 2 years ago
While u try to redefine "system" or "natural state of human being" i just point the fact that people get to choose their own government and not someone else country policing the world or manipulating it. I dont like to do numbers when it comes to tell who killed more because killing is just wrong. We must just need to respect every nation sovereignty in every aspect political and territorial.
LiquidT3nsion 2 years ago 2
In WW2 Switzerland was neutral. Suppose they democratically elected a govt that was going to aid the Nazi war machine. Would they be a justified target of the Allies to manipulate it if they could and to topple the govt?
TheKuffarKid 2 years ago
The influence of a bigger state on a third world or smaller country is inevitable specially if they are in the same region if there is no good relations between nations there's where diplomacy resumes. Now American methods of conspiracy, sabotage and embargo have been very effective along history nothing like Nazi Germany that was by diplomacy or by force they couldn't apply embargos They didn't finance anyone in the region but who financed the Nazis? Americans.
LiquidT3nsion 2 years ago
ok nukeiran1981(username?) you dont care... maybe other people care, have you thought of that?
shaggoth9 3 years ago
Alright. But I live in America and you live in the UK. So I ask...what's wrong with the existing world order? Are you sure if the world order was changed that 100 million people wouldn't starve? Or would it just be a different 100 million? Why is everyone so down on the "Western Powers"? We have caused a lot of misery...yes. But we have also contributed more and continue to contribute more to mankind than any block of people in human history. Why all this self-loathing?
nukeiran1981 3 years ago
Historically the Western powers have acted to serve elite interests only. There was plenty of rhetoric about creating a better world, but imperialism was a way for rich elites to profit at the expense of their own populations.
Take the British occupation of
India. The rich profited from the exploitation of India whilst the population paid for it in taxes. Exactly what happens today in Latin America & is happening in Iraq.
CapitalistHolocaust 3 years ago
The benefits to domestic populations came about out of fear of revolution. The high wages & workers rights that we receive to day came about by popular struggle. The struggle of the labor movements. They were fought for, they weren't granted by Capitalist out of the goodness of their hearts.
Our treatment & lot was improved for fear of revolution. For fear that the privileged elite would lose their power.
CapitalistHolocaust 3 years ago
The competitive system basically consolidates power for the privileged few at the expense of the masses.
We are told that a free trade system is the only 'fair' system. But the problem is that it is a lie.
Look at corporations & the subsidies they receive. 25 of the top Fortune 100 companies have been fully bailed out from collapse with public money. 80% of them have received State funding at some point.
It's free trade for the poor & benefits for the rich.
CapitalistHolocaust 3 years ago
So are you suggesting Communism? That does not work in practice. People will not pull their weight and the system collapses into corruption and stratification that is a bigger mess than capitalism.
nukeiran1981 3 years ago
Yeah, but again, that was a long time ago (British East India). Who did any better? The Soviets? The Khmer Rouge? You should know better than to believe in utopias. Man's base and self-serving nature will always spoil the day. I hear you saying a lot that may be true, but what are you proposing as an alternative? I could find flaw all day long with the American "system", but it's one of the best systems in the world...as flawed as it is. I used to be idealist. Now I have to work.
nukeiran1981 3 years ago
Firstly, Communism was doomed to failure because of the totalitarian nature of the proposed dictatorship of the Proletariat & enforced collectivisation. Just because Communism failed, doesn't mean we are stuck with Crony Capitalism.
Also, bear in mind that the US govt. support the Khmer Rouge. You would do well to go to the Cambodian Holocaust site where Ben Keirnan contributes.
Remember that America dropped 2.7 million tonnes of bombs on Cambodia & killed 600,000 people b4 Pol Pot.
CapitalistHolocaust 3 years ago
The CIA figures estimated 1 million deaths as a result of starvation from the destruction of the agricultural areas due to the bombing. The U.S. also backed Lon Nol's insurgency into Cambodia. It was brutal. They ripped babies apart & all sorts of brutal stuff.
When the Khmer people took power, they basically took revenge on the sympathisers of Lon Nol's forces.
Interestingly, Ben Kiernan cites 5-600k actual executions by Pol Pot & 1 million due to famine.
CapitalistHolocaust 3 years ago
So, the actual amount of deaths due solely to Pol Pot & the amount due to the consequences of U.S. actions is hard to tell. We know that the U.S. killed around 600k (The Finnish study, Ben Kiernan & the CIA figures support this).
Pol Pot's actual executions are estimated at around 600k too. But the million who died of starvation, has a lot to do with the U.S. bombing of the agricultural areas.
Clinton declassified maps of the bomb sites in the 90's. I've got links if you want to see.
CapitalistHolocaust 3 years ago
Yeah Iknow, I'm not disputing that the American are masters when it comes to killing. What I asked was what do you propose as an alternative....I was never clear on that.
nukeiran1981 3 years ago
Yes, I'm aware of that part of American history..I lived through it. Perhaps "crony capitalism" is destructive....what is the workable alternative...accounting for human nature?
nukeiran1981 3 years ago
There are many alternatives, from anarcho-syndicalism to libertarian social leaning capitalism.
For me, self governance is the key, a gradual dismantling of the State & decentralization of power from the privileged few to the masses.
Economically speaking, the domestic problem is that private power profits when the public pays. This happens to a far greater extent than people realise. Look at the way public money is funneled to big business through the Pentagon system in the US.
CapitalistHolocaust 3 years ago
We are told that Capitalism has created all these great inventions. But most of them were actually created with public money by the military & then given to private companies to profit from.
Computers are a great example of this. They were nurtured through the expensive R&D stage through 80% public money in the 50s. Transistors were created by Bell Labs, which is a child company of AT&T that received public subsidies. The internet was developed from the military prototypes on public money.
CapitalistHolocaust 3 years ago
The World Wide Web was invented by Tim Berners Lee whilst he was working at Cern, which is funded by European govts. The Internet is basically a socialist invention, however, the people paid for it & the companies profit.
Same with satelites, the aeronautical industry, etc.
Look at world trade. It's based on containers invented by the US navy, funded by public money.
All the time the taxpayer pays & the rich elites profit. Capitalism as it exists is just a big con, a nanny state for the rich.
CapitalistHolocaust 3 years ago
Yeah I know....I spend most of my pay on medical insurance that covers nothing. "social leaning capitalism" doesn't sound too radical. If you are proposing anarchy and dismantling the state..what are we to do? Should we all buy guns? Who will enforce the laws and fix the roads and pay for the schools?
nukeiran1981 3 years ago
Who will enforce the laws & pay for social services? We would. Anarchy doesn't mean there is no governance. It means that there is nobody governing you. We govern ourselves.
We don't get others to represent our interests, because others will always sell their services to the highest bidders.
We represent ourselves. We don't just vote, we participate in politics.
CapitalistHolocaust 3 years ago
That is irrelavent. Death squads in Guatemala do not affect my life one iota. I simply do not care.
nukeiran1981 3 years ago
The fact that you don't care that your & my government has sponsored terrorism, torture & slaughter in many many countries, including Guatemala is irrelevant.
The fact remains that other people do care & are keen to inform others (one of the reasons for uploading videos like these) & many people are willing to take action.
CapitalistHolocaust 3 years ago
Are you one of those nuts that riots at g8 meeting and all that?
nukeiran1981 3 years ago
Globalisation & the accompanying trade deals are all designed to keep developing countries indebted to the Western powers & their allies. They are designed to keep the current World order intact. To keep the developing nations in poverty.
Given that 100 million people die of starvation & hunger related diseases every decade (according to UN figures) due to the continuation of such policies I would call anyone who protests against such policies a hero & true humanitarian.
CapitalistHolocaust 3 years ago
You're not in Iran. You never would have been able to make that reference if you were.
nukeiran1981 3 years ago
Ha Ha! That is a funny bit.
nukeiran1981 3 years ago
America Rules! Look what we did for the Afghanistan and Iraq...We freed them from tyranny. A simple "thank you" would be nice.
nukeiran1981 3 years ago
i think you need to do some research. you've been misinformed
Psilocybin52 3 years ago
Well sure, they have no power, running water or heat. Most of their buildings are destroyed, their leaders have been killed and their countries are in ruins....but they're free, man....free.
nukeiran1981 3 years ago
You seem to have forgotten that the Reagan & Bush snr administrations supported Saddam Hussein.
Not only did the U.S. & the U.K. send chemical precursors & weapons (via firms in Europe & Latin America for plausible deniability) they also blocked a draft U.N. resolution condemning Saddam's use of Chemical Weapons in '84.
Take a look at my video: Rumsfeld meets Saddam -rare with sound
for declassified State Dept Documents (in the video info section) proving this.
CapitalistHolocaust 3 years ago
The blocking of this resolution gave Saddam the green light to gas 100 of thousands of Kurds. You also need to take a look at the countless brutal dictators the U.S. & America have installed in the World.
Suharto in Indonesia for example. The CIA overthrew a democracy & installed Suharto & sent death lists to help him slaughter 600,000 people. This is documented in declassified CIA docs. Check out my video:
CIA Atrocities Declassified
The documents are linked in the video info section.
CapitalistHolocaust 3 years ago
I didn't forget...I don't care. Let me clarify my position. I have the day off and I'm high. I don't give a shit about anything you're saying. I just like fucking with self-important cyber fags. I think it's funny. Stop taking yourself so seriously and smoke some weed. I didn't even watch your whack-job video.
nukeiran1981 3 years ago
weed never made me a faggot, whats your problem?
rikestard 3 years ago
It's not the weed that made you a faggot. It's the fact that you are persian....you are all fags. Anyhow, If you are from Iran, why are you using a computer? Don't they chop your hands off for that?
nukeiran1981 3 years ago
Also, if you are iranian, why do you have a picture of Osama Bin Laden.....you should hate him more than you hate America. He's Sunni. He'd rather kill an Iranian than an American. Ha Ha. You are a little cyber-faggot. Zip your pants up, turn off the computer and get out of your parents basement.
nukeiran1981 3 years ago
It's not about taking ourselves seriously, its about taking the state of World affairs seriously.
It's not so much about 'self importance' as trying to find the facts that the 'free press' deliberately keep from us, so we can be properly informed & make better judgments about the world we live in & hopefully stop innocent people being slaughtered for profit.
Im sorry if we pricked you out of your recreational drug bubble with a bit of real world stuff. You can go back to watching cartoons now.
CapitalistHolocaust 3 years ago
Yeah, but none of it matters because you can't do anything about it anyhow.
nukeiran1981 3 years ago
you would know , always checking those gay persian websites on your mothers puter. your a slave the only thing u know about Iran is what your told, you isreal loving SLAVE!!
rikestard 3 years ago
Anyhow, if you're a Brit, why are you so wrapped up with America's business. Nixon? Give me a break. Don't tell me you're still freaking out about Vietnam....we've moved on. We love Britain. You guys are so scrappy you show up for our wars before we do. I thought that bit in the Falklands was a masterpiece. Quit with the conspiracy shit...it's boring. As far as the "drug bubble" thing...we all know weed isn't "drugs".
nukeiran1981 3 years ago
Conspiracy?
The overthrow of democracy in Indonesia & CIA sending of death lists is an irrefutable fact, it's on the declassified CIA record.
The U.S. blocking of the U.N. resolution condemning Saddam's use of CW in '84 is irrefutable. The declassified State Dept. cable instructing their UN delegate to do so is on the National Archive website.
Like I say, i've got links to them in the following vids:
CIA Atrocities Declassified
Rumsfeld meets Saddam -rare with sound
CapitalistHolocaust 3 years ago
The U.S. overthrow of democracy in Iran, Guatemala, Brazil, Greece & Chile are also ALL backed up by the internal record.
America is also the only country to be charged with international Terrorism by the World Courts. Go check out the court verdicts on my video:
How to Reduce Terrorism by 90%
They are linked in the video info.
CapitalistHolocaust 3 years ago
I'm not disputing the validity of your claims. I'm saying who cares? You worrying about what happened in Cambodia 35 years ago or what United Fruit Co. did 50 years ago? Who cares?
nukeiran1981 3 years ago
Because it's very important in understanding U.S. & U.K. foreign policy today. The evidence still suggests that America & Britain are still blocking democracy abroad, still invading & still plundering other countries for profit & control of resources.
The problem we have in reviewing the current internal record to find irrefutable evidence is that it runs dry around the late 70's, since very little is declassified within the 30 year secrecy buffer.
So reviewing past crimes & motives is vital.
CapitalistHolocaust 3 years ago
I have no doubt that The US and Britain are doing just what you suggest...again, who cares? We can put..say African resources to better use than the Africans can make of it. This game has been going on for thousands of years. Who cares?
nukeiran1981 3 years ago
why do you keep asking me who cares, when it is clearly you who doesn't care?
Plenty of people care. Why do you think the 'free' press doesn't tell us about most of this stuff? Because they know that the majority of people would care & do something to change it.
Take Guatemala for instance. America was supporting the death squads for decades, it wasn't till Amnesty started raising the issue that the public got to hear about it. The Reagan admin had even tried to discredit AI to shut them up.
CapitalistHolocaust 3 years ago
When it broke through to the public in the 90s congress was forced to do something about it: they voted to stop the flow of aid to the GOG in 1990. Of course the CIA kept sending aid secretly for 5 or 6 more years.
When that was eventually stopped, the torture & the killing stopped.
It is precisely because people do care that this stuff is kept from them by the vested interests of the rich elite owned media.
CapitalistHolocaust 3 years ago
It's no wonder the world hates us.
They have been doing this a long time, even before WW1.
Thanks for the info, nice work.
egillelan 3 years ago
U.S. has a habit of overthrowing any government they don't like whether it is democracy or not. they don't care just as long as the new government is willing to obey the U.S. just look at iran. but then it got blow back.
KhmerD0g 3 years ago
Incidentally, anybody wanting to check out the declassified documents for the UK/US overthrow of democracy in Iran in '53, please check out my other video:
Iran used to be a Democracy
CapitalistHolocaust 3 years ago
It used to until USA decided it should not be a democracy, because then they could not exploit Iran as they had.
USA have bloody finger prints all over the world. And they will never stop, because greed has no limit.
Peace
MadeinUniverse 3 years ago
Don't forget the U.K. complicity in the overthrow of Mossedegh. In fact, it was Britain who requested that the CIA help overthrow the Iranian democracy as Mossedegh had shut down all British embassy for fear of such subversion after attempting to nationalize British Petrolium.
Some of the declassified documents in my Iran video are actually taken from the London draft of the plan to overthrow Mossedegh.
CapitalistHolocaust 3 years ago
For me USA and UK are the same thing.
MadeinUniverse 3 years ago