Leave Her, Johnny, Leave Her [293-296] (216-220)

[hultonclint]

@feave19 Made by whom? When? If we are going on a packet ship voyage from "Liverpool Docks" to "Frisco Bay" (via New York, e.g.), where does Newfoundland come in? They go through the Grand Banks --carefully!-- but these are not fishing schooners. I have studied the history of these chanties and there is absolutely no indication that this had specific association to Newfoundland. It was common repertoire or deep water seamen. So: how did it get associated in RECENT years?

[CaptainBeetheart]

@hultonclint Therefore, this song would have had a very personal and tangible meaning to all Newfoundlanders, not just a minority. The same cannot be said of all Americans, all British, all Irish, etc.

[hultonclint]

@CaptainBeetheart No one is saying anything about "all Americans, etc" (??) I am asking why it is being considered a "Newfie song," when it was equally sung by all SAILORS.

[CaptainBeetheart]

@hultonclint My original comment seems to have been lost. Because virtually the entire male population of Newfoundland would have been, historically, fishermen and sailors, this song has a special meaning to the people of Newfoundland. These men had to leave their families behind for months at a time, not knowing whether they would return safely. Whether the song is FROM Newfoundland or not is irrelevant, as nowhere else in the world is its meaning as universal.

[hultonclint]

@CaptainBeetheart The question is when did Newfies start considering it a "Newfie song." There is absolutely no evidence being offered or that I can find, having studied the history of chanties IN DETAIL, to show that during the time chanties were sung they had any special connection to this. People in ports all over the world are in the same sich. Stan Rogers must have popularized it, or some school text book or something that would introduce it to everyone as something identity-related.

[CaptainBeetheart]

@hultonclint Are you are arguing that in order to be national in character, aspects of culture must be both indigenous and unique? I hope not, for that would be to say that virtually the entire New World has no national culture. Is apple pie not American because it was invented in Europe, and is eaten outside the US? Is Polka not Polish because it originated in Bohemia, and is enjoyed throughout Eastern Europe? Is tea not British?

[hultonclint]

@CaptainBeetheart No, I am arguing that there was no national association with this song and Newfoundland historically. I am observing that nowadays, for some people (mainly Newfies themselves), there is. This is turning up by such comments as "I didn't know you non-Newfies would know this song" and "Newfies sing this properly because it is their own." Because of the disjuncture between the history and the current phenomenon, I am asking *when* and *how* the current situation came to be.

[hultonclint]

@feave19 OK, thanks for sharing that. But this is a chantey that was known to sailors or many places/nations. If anything, it is of the Western Ocean run between Liverpool UK and New York USA. So I am trying to figure out how it got associated with Newfoundland *specifically* in your mind. Did the government adopt it? Did the school curriculum decide to use it? Did a famous Newfie pop-folk singer popularize it? Did someone include it in a book labeled "Songs of Newfoundland"?

[hultonclint]

@feave19 Did some Newfie hero make a famous recording of this of something? I don't get why some Newfies think this song has something special to do with them. I am curious.

[bunnyboenumber1]

the age of sail is when you go on a ship and u have a roll on a ship im the mate to the captain on the deck hand ur on the boat for two days

[bunnyboenumber1]

awesome job, i have to sing this on the age of sail im the mate of the deck hand and i have to memorize this song, thank u very much

[hultonclint]

hey! that's great. What/where is "the age of sail"? Good Luck! Just make sure to avoid the swear words ;)

[Selenagomez5able1]

WOW, that is really good, and in my school we have to sing this song, it's kinda hard!

BUT YOU'RE REALLY GOOD! 5/5!

(do you know sally racket, or roll the old chariot?)

[hultonclint]

Thanks! That is very nice of you to say. Just make sure you don't use swear words in school! :)

Here is Sally Rackett:

/watch?v=RrrZQ7fcrm0

and also as "Hill and Gully":

/watch?v=0uOAe5e85yM

Roll the Old chariot:

/watch?v=vvx3T3p6O9g

(paste those after the regular youtube URL)

[gdgest]

5*^ Awesome acapella singing. Thanks for sharing. :-)

[hultonclint]

@gdgest

You are too kind. Thanks for linking my video, too.

[geoff1945]

I see what you mean. Who would want to take the same walk in summer or be able to take the same walk in Winter!

I noted the poignant image of fallen leaves in the grave-yard. As to the length of the video - you cannot hurry an Autumnal Walk!

[spotandedgar]

I would never thought ya by's down south knew 'bout this. Best kind.

[philipsmovies]

An excellent song sung with great stamina and ability.

[StatenIslandFolkie]

Both the audio and the video are remarkable. Great job.

[hultonclint]

thanks, and I admire your patience in being able to watch this whole long video ;)