So six blacks assaulting a white man is ok, but if it were the other way around we would never hear the end of it. They are criminals and they deserve to be punished at the full extent of the law. I will quote the poster of this video. "HATRED is human nature; racism is learned. " What YOU are saying is RACISM. The young white man was targeted because of his race; That is RACISM, in every sense of the word. To free the Jena Six is to free CRIMINALS.
So what you're saying is...you haven't a clue what happened. it was a fight, dude. An alleged fight. Six kids jumped on a seventh. Happens probably a thousand times a day in this country. Why were these six charged with "attempted murder"? That was the charge, they were arrested, detained, and I made this video because in such a miscarriage of justice, they needed to be freed. Charge them with "aggravated assault", not "attempted murder". Pay attention.
Dude i live in Louisiana i know exactly what happened. The kid was leaving the lunch room where he was jumped by 6 kids in a racially motivated attack. Now why dont you think for a second. If six white kids jumped a black kid because he was black do you think he would ever hear the end of it? No, and surely thousands of people wouldnt march to free the six white kids. You are right it happens every day and white people go to jail for committing "hate crimes"
And that's still not the point. That COULD likely be a hate crime if there is some evidence of racial motivation. I'll go all in on THAT. But what it ISN'T is "attempted murder", which was what their charge was...THAT'S why we marched. THAT'S why this was posted: because they were charged with an unjustifiable crime. You may be from louisiana, but I happen to actually be AN ATTORNEY, and a damn good one. They can't justify "Attempted Murder". THAT'S the problem.
6 black people stomping a white kids head in while he is defenseless on the ground. Sounds racially motivated to me. Especially when you take into consideration the events that took place the week before, and the high level of racial tension that was already running rampant through the school. Thousands of white males are in prison at this moment for less than this, charged with hate crimes.
"sounds racially motivated" isn't going to reach to the level necessary to classify it a hate crime. I agree it seems clear, but evidentiary rules are strict.
As for thousands of whites in jail for this very same thing, there has to be more evidence than just "seems racist to me!" I was almost jumped by falcon fans in Atl, and they were all white. By your logic, and considering the local, had those guys not been wusses, they should be arrested for a hate crime had they followed through.
Nice flow, content, and voice inflection. Keep doing what you do. Just make sure you don't lose your sense of humor in the struggle. If we (human beings) lose that we've lost everything, even if we (human beings) win the world.
Racism is human nature, in my view. If you look around the world, different races and different cultures have hated one another since the begining. People have a tendancy to look at others as the cause of their personal failures. Typically, they look for someone who looks and acts differently than they do. I know it's ignorant to do that. But, it's not going to stop. Point being, when it comes to the human race as a whole, absolutes do exist. On an individual level, ALWAYS is fallable.
I thought Colon Powell was going to be the first black president. And the fact that color makes a difference in any endevor illustrates that race is important to people. Thus racism exists.
Yep. He would have been had he run. He'd have run on the republican ticket, but he would have garnered a large liberal vote because of his politics. My only hang up on him would have been his Military background. They tend to make tyranical presidents.
To the gentleman who said "there will always be racism", I have to put forth that such absolutes are never absolute. for example: Ever thought we'd have a black presidential frontrunner??!? Im 31; never thought I'd see it.
Does that mean there is NO racism? Not hardly. It just means that you were being naive when you thought it wouldn't happen in your lifetime. BIG difference.
Fact is, most white racists are looked down upon and cinsidered to be not too smart. So what the guy said about giving them undo attention is correct. YOUm, who didn't think we could have a black frontrunner, and millions like you are the ones perpetuating racism. But it will ALWAYS exist. So why give these idiots so much credence?
There will always be racism. There will always be racists. If you focus on them, they will drag you into their miserable world. Identify what you want out of life, focus on achievieng it, and ignore the hate filled malcontents who blame other people for their problems. They are contagious.
BTW, A black person voting for Obama because he's black, A woman voting for Clinton because she's a woman, and a white person voting for McCain because he's white are three people equally shallow and biggotted.
Did whites rally up together in support of those officers nearly to the proportion that blacks are doing for Jena Six? No.
Blacks do not understand that acts of senseless acts of violence are in no case appropriate, even when in response to initial senseless acts directed at them. Violence is an accepted way of life and they find it appropriate to use in these situations.
Google: Crime in Charlotte NC, hit the first link, and scroll down, these are the people I see on the street everyday.
If this was caught on camera it would be another Rodney King, in which all you black people were outraged when the white police officers beat the poor black man (who was high as a kite, driving 115 mph down the highway, got pulled over by police eventually after a high speed chase, and he attacked them.) Then all that was on tape was the incident halfway through so all that was seen was them hitting him when he was down.
Officer Laurence Powell and Sergeant Stacey Koon, were found guilty by a jury and sentenced to 30 months of prison, while Timothy Wind and Theodore Briseno were acquitted of all charges against them.
Yes, a four day riot took place in LA afterward...what's your point?
The point is that people are so ready to get angry and lash out theat they will willingliy ignore the truth, or willingly accept falsehoods in order to fit whatever needs to be in order to give them an excuse to lash out. The Jena 6 scam is a great case in point, as is the Duke rape scam.
Yes, I remember the "whole riot thing" as you call it.
What I want to know is why the 53 White victims that were killed is never brought
up by anyone? These people had absolutely nothing to do with the "Rodney King" nonsense!
Yet, they were brutally murdered by blacks just because they were White and the opportunity arose to do harm to Whites that blacks so look forward to. Hell, they even beat a nine month old baby to death! And nothing about it in the media? Hmmmmm.....
And yet Rodney King is still alive? Something is seriously wrong here! Just to let you know, the next time blacks riot? We will be there also to mow you lowlifes down!!!
so just...all blacks don't understand this? Okay. Because if I go just by the responses to this video, it's apparent that whites generally don't understand how to make a decent legal parallel. That's wrong, and so is your presumption. Just because you probably live in or frequent very poor hickville parts of Charlotte where it's probably largely black and poor doesn't make you a quaified social scientist as to these matters.
What the White kid did was wrong, and so was what the 6 black kids did. Im just so dissapointed that races just cant get together, where i live i am friendly with other races... but if racisim is still at large, i dont think the human race is going to survive
Man this was tight what is the name of that song... and it doesnt matter what the kid was like, he was sticking up for his culture if your jewish and some assholes put tha nazi sign up don't you wanna kick his ass, and especially if the school CALLED IT A PRANK!!!! them racist bastards...
yeah you pretty much missed the entire point of the "he shot me, but only grazed me". What matters is the intent. It has nothing to do with "deadly force". It was an example of just because he didn't get more seriously injured shouldnt take away from what happened to him.
No, use of a gun on someone is always liable to be attempted murder, even if the dude intended to graze someone. "intent follows the bullet". Seriously, is anyone here trained in law at all?
Unless this kid was beaten by the bulimia society at his school, being "stomped" and "kicked" should have messed up an internal organ or two or a bone. Hell, one of these guys played Varsity football.
Bell lead the attack and was on probation from what I understand and already has a nice record. Thus charging as an adult. Attempted murder is kinda extreme but not out of the question. Especially when attempted murder can be defined as intent to inflict great bodily harm. Just because the kid got lucky and didnt have a bunch of broken ribs and a punctured lung, doesnt change anything. Would be like saying well yeah he shot me but the bullet only grazed my leg so it's ok.
That's not like saying "he shot me, but only grazed me." A gun is always "use of deadly force", an old fashioned beat down is not. And the fact he didn't have severe injuries makes me wonder if the six really did "stomp" him.
whoops sorry.. i just caught the tail end of the convo and didnt feel like reading back 60 odd comments of what probably is a lot of pointless yelling. Although attempted murder is a bit extreme, it is not realy out fo the question. A 6 on 1 encounter with the kid getting jumped from behind makes it more than a school yard fight. It shows premeditation. Kicking the kid while knocked out can easily be seen as intent to inflict great bodily harm. Especially because 6 v 1.
It depends on the mens rea of the assailants and if they could determine that the kid was knocked out. A lot of school yard fights are gang-up fights. I was on the receiving end of a few of 'em as a kid. This kid was not seriously injured. A stop at a hospital and he was fine that night.
Fuck you!! Hanging a noose, can have racial intentions! But what this kids did, fits under attempted murder... What happened that day was wrong, every part of it!...
Im not a fucking racsit, sop calling me one. the kid should be in trouble for a hate crime, but the guys who jumped him need to be charged for attempted murder. Its just because, that is what happened. Stop calling me a racsit.
You're a moron if you think the kid should be in trouble for a hate crime; he didn't do anything far as we know, except get his ass beat. Now you got HIM in jail for a hate crime, and 6 blacks facing a noose! You're a MORONIC racist.
I already said that the events were very far apart and not related. Learn to read before you try to correct me. However, intent to inflict severe bodily harm gets you attempted murder? Cite the statute. I'll hit westlaw with it...
attempted murder doesnt even have to be intent to kill. Intent to cause great bodily harm also fits the definiton under louisiana law. Seeing as this kid was blindsided and knocked unconscious without putting up any fight, and then six guys kick him while he is unresponsive indicates intent to inflict great bodily harm.
ok, as i said, why would they admit they tried to kill somone. dont call me a racist, im not. your infering that white people are racsit, that is reverse dicrimination.
No, I'm not INFERING (not a word) anything. I'm also not IMPLYING anything about white people. I said YOU are a racist, and that's not "reverse dicrimination" because that's ALSO not a word...
Also, no one cares what they ADMIT to. The law is clear: you can only go for attempted murder if you have reasonable evidence of the intent. If you can't show that at all, then going for that is an egregious miscarriage of justice. THAT'S THE ISSUE IN JENA, YOU IGNORAMOUS!
if they tried to kill somone they wouldent say that is what they were doing. and even if they just wanted to "beat his ass" they could have killed him accidentally.
Well, that key word "accidentally" is what the law hinges on, einstein. If you only intend a beatdown and no one dies, how do you go from that to attempted MURDER? Charge them for the right crime, don't hide behind racist logic, "homie"...
And...you're STILL just 100 percent wrong. So am I now to assume your racist AND stupid? Read the news. They tried to beat his ass, not kill him. No one hit him with a chair, no one used deadly force or even tried to. You can't reach attempted murder without INTENT.
I dont watch too many movies. In the Bronx, shit like that happens. If the Italian Mafia dident go underground, they would end the stupid street gang bullshit. once the mafia went unerground, that is when the street gangs starting taking over. all they do is shoot at other gangs because of the color shirt they wear.
You do in fact watch too many movies if you think they shoot each other for their shirt color. Turn off the snoop videos, and you made a good point: Mafia. Why shouldn't THOSE europeans get hung, you racist "homie"?
The stupid little street gangs can shoot each other all they want, but it is like drunk driving, you are putting innocents in danger to, i have seen many people die that werent even doing anything when some stupid little street gang had to shoot at another gang. for what? your "hood"? This is america learn to fucking share. My black friends also agree that the "homies" and the stupid street gangsters should die.
The street gangs aren't all shooting each other, turn off the movies first of all. Second, the ones that ARE shooting each other should go to court then jail or get an injection. A white guy needn't tell me the "homies" should be "hung".
And stop telling me what your "black" friends say. I don't care what some tokens have to say to a man who is for some sort of marshall law lynchings. I don't care WHAT the criminals did. We have a justice system and DA's for that.
As a matter of fact i have some black friends that have been over my house, some have even slept over when we had a party. What the fuck are you getting at by saying "homie" to me like that huh?
You have such a short memory, vito. Remember? "ill have to admit, some of those "Homies" and "Gangstas" like the "bloods" and "crips" do deserve to be hung." You have basically called for the hanging of blacks...
Fuck you! how dare you call me a racist! I got my lip split open for a black person! The kid does good in school, hes nice, has good friends, and some racist prick tried to beat him up after school, and I am the one who stood up for him. a white man.
Congratulations. That does not erase the probability of you being a racist. Particularly if you are keeping score. You count how many blacks been to your house too? Lemme guess: some of your best friends are black, huh "homie"?
I don't care. Point is you are not accurate as to your assessment to the legalities of the jena six case.
The "Jena 6" black or white broke the law they battered a person whether or not this person deserved it or not was a racist or not he did not break the law the "Jena 6" did I'm not siding with the white guy what he did was wrong but the Jena broke the law and if we free them we are saying to all criminals to that are Judicial system , laws , and justice system are a joke.
If the judicial system falsly imprisons someone for THE WRONG CRIME, then they need to be released and charged with THE RIGHT one. That's what this is about. However, when was the last time you heard of people seeing jail time for a highschool fight. Punk just got knocked out. Happens. Is it THAT serious? Someone's getting knocked out at a HS right now.
No Black Soultan I'm aware it happens alot and yes they did need to lower the sentence attempted murder was too much but they got caught doing and they broke the law I'm not on the white guy's side he prolly did deserve it but they broke the law , they should get the proper punishment attempted murder is a bit much though
More white people have been hung for being pirates, outlaws, back when taxes were jumping in the 1700s because of shipping from britan to the US, thousands of tax men and related people were hung. More white people have been hung than black people. that makes hanging a noose from a tree not racisim. It was simply some dumb prank. but the black kids have to try to kill him for it.
I swear, I can't stress it enough: PEOPLE; GO TO SCHOOL!
No one tried to murder ANYONE in this equation. The PROBLEM is six were charged WITH attempted murder and NO ONE (black OR white) tried to kill anyone.
Over a rope? Let somebody put a gun to your head. Does it become ok if they don't pull the trigger? It was a noose - call it what it was. You aren't that slow not to know what a noose is for. And more people of color have been slaughtered, raped, hung, terrorized and etc by racist white people. Ignorance of the truth does not make you exempt from being a racist. Please read!!!
Their prior bad acts are in fact not admissible in court as per state and federal rules of evidence unless the defense opens the door, specifically because they may get jurors who are as unsophisticated in their thinking as you are in this matter.
I am bringing up their priors in the court of PUBLIC OPINION, which is being heard here and message boards all over. Why put words in my mouth? I never saidd the priors will or should affect the jury. Did you read my responses?
I am trying to be clear that THIS case is exactly what it should be about. and outsde of the court room, many of the "Free Jena 6" people have been swayed by the defense putting out false info, including saying these kids had no prior problems.
You say that like the court of public opinion is a good thing. You're making no sense. You thought you had something with that prior bad acts thing, now you don't, so you changing your tune. No one cares about the court of public opinion. No one's protesting that.
Also, by law, if you have habitually been known to be violent by getting into fights or domestic disputes (girl beating), that does not give the judicial system cause to treat THIS assault as an attempted murder. Try them for the crime they committed.
They are trying them for this charge. Who said they weren't? It's just that their defenders don't want to admit that this crime was very different than any of the other altercations they list.
The priors are brought up in response to the defense tactic trying to claim they did this because of the wrongs of others. They ignore that these were very troubled kids beofre any of the excuses they list happened.
Also, the idea that they can get away with attempted murder because of the noose thing is laughable and no one is arguing that. Thing is, since when is a lunchroom fight "attempted murder", and why were none of the OTHER enumerated fights from EITHER side of the race line considered "attempted murder"? That's the issue. Pay attention.
Fact is, no one calimed this was a "luinchroom" fight. You may need to educate yourself on this matter. i know the news reports have been distorted half-truths (and some total lies), but they are being accused of far more than that. They are being accused of systematically threatening kids on a "list" and beating one of them. They are accused of ushering some out of the gym, and keeping others in, then assaulting someone that they had planned on hurting. Premeditated assault, NOT a fight.
Maybe it is maybe it isn't. If you read the way some of the witnesses describe it, it could be. Facts are: DA's often start off with the heavier charge and work their way down, Bell and the two who's trial dates have been set were reduced to aggravated assault, they were offered pleas of Aggravated assault with suspended sentences. It's not the big hardcore case of injustice people wanted it to be.
Let me explain this to you: there is no "maybe it is, maybe it isn't." It simply is not attempted murder. That's what the whole hang up is: they are being charged for a crime they did not commit.
You don't know legal system then. Sometimes it IS maybe it is, maybe it isn't. There is a fine line with attemopted murder and he has a harder time proving it, which is probably why he has dropped charges to 2nd degree aggravated battery. But it is very common to start off with a higher charge, particularly when the investigations are still taking place. It helps in negotiations and it gives them room to lower the charges base don eveidence or lack thereof.
Many in the area wanted him to go ahead with hate crimes, but he upped the charges to attempted murder to appease the people of the community. He lowered them before trials. these are not out of the ordinary.
And yes, if he could prove the conspiracy was to do more than hurt them, and show medically that the right kick to the head could recult in death, YES it could be attempted murder. But aggravated assult is better, IMO, and that is what they are being prosecuted for.
No, they are still being charged with attempted murder, and it simply is not, even if the kicks could have resulted in death. That would fall out of the realm of attempt because you have to prove mens rea and they have no probable cause for that.
No they aren't. So far 3 trial dates have been set and ALL three were lowered to aggravated assault and conspiracy to commit the same. The same things Mychal Bell was tried for.
I know that they weren't construed as a terrorist threat, but they should have been. Also, the fact that the Jena 6 were pugnacious BEFORE the jena 6 holds no baring. If an ex-con killer is assaulted and he proceeds to beat up the guy who assaulted him, then the fact that he has a violent past does not erase the violence of the assault proponent in THAT instance. I know you don't get it, tho. Read it five times, let it sink in.
This this particular case is far worse than you want to admit. I bring up their prior recrds and attitudes because people are trying to claim the noose incident MADE them do it, or that ongoing injustice against them should be blamed. Which is BS because they were acting out well before any of that.
But I agree totally with looking at just THIS case, which backs charging this one different than the others, because none of the others compare at all.
What you do not seem to notice is that there were MULTIPLE fights that occured for quite some time after the nooses stunt (which should be construed as a terrorist threat by law). The question is why whould this ONE fight be singled out and these SIX be tried for ATTEMPTED MURDER?
Because this one was TOTLLY different from the others. You brought up the great point that many are ignoring. Why was this one diffrent? Read the witness statements and find out. The claim is not a spur of the moment fight. The claim is that a pack of dangerous youths were prowling the school, telling people of a hit list, and telling students they were on it, then setting up a situation where they cornered one, knocked him cold and beat him while down. That is why it was prosecuted differently.
Thanks for someone picking up on the fact that this wasn't just six black kids deciding to go nuts on a white kid. The issue is the disparity in treatment. All the crimes that have gone on in Jena since last year and these KIDS are the ones arrested for ATTEMPTED MURDER? Since when is being hit with a shoe attempted murder? Dude got knocked out. Shouldn't have been fighting.
No. they didn't just "decide to go nuts". It was a premeditated attack that others over heard them planning. they even cornered a few others to tell them they were next.
I'm going to post the account that I read ... "On Friday, December 1, 2006, there was a private party, attended mostly by whites but with some blacks, at the Jena Fair Barn.[10] Five black youths, including 16-year-old Robert Bailey, Jr., attempted to enter the party at about 11 p.m.
According to U.S. Attorney Washington, they were told by a woman that no one was allowed inside without an invitation. The five youths persisted, stating that some friends were already in attendance at the party. A white man, who was not a student, then jumped in front of the woman and a fight ensued. After the fight broke up, the woman told both the white man and five black youths to leave the party.
Once outside, the black students were involved in another fight with a group of white men, who were not students.[9] Police were called to investigate. Justin Sloan, a white male, was charged with simple battery for his role in the fight and was put on probation. Bailey later stated that one of the white men broke a beer bottle over his head,[11] but there were no official records of Bailey receiving medical treatment for the injury.[9]
Because Robert Bailey never made that claim till later. His report of that incident that he gave police is differrent from what he later said. There were also numerous other witnesses and Bailey's history of starting trouble and lying about it.
Can't say I am looking for the Jena 6 to be freed. They had no right taking it to the level they did ... 6 on 1 beating 1 White Student even after he was unconscious. That is a Hate Crime. But I do feel the White Students responsible for putting the nooses up should not only be expelled, but Prosecuted as Adults for Hate Crimes.
How is beating up a kid a hate crime? What you and everyone else grabbingt at straws needs to know is that there has to be evidence that the crime was racially motivated for it to be a hate crime. Judging from the facts here, the "jena 6" fight was just a good old fashioned beating. If you know of anything different, link me.
Ok, well regardless if it is a hate crime or not, it still happened and now the Jena 6 is being prosecuted for 2nd degree Battery. But like I said, I do feel that the Whites originally who hung the nooses should be prosecuted for a Hate Crime, but apparently the law says you can't prosecute minors for this. I would still attempt to prosecute them as adults, though. They deserve something more than a measly suspension. They should be expelled in the absolute very least.
But are you also not saying that what happened in Norfolk, VA was also not a hate crime? Thus far, I haven't heard any sort of motive for why those kids jumped the 1 kid. Would you call 6 White Students jumping 1 Black kid for no reason a "simple beating", as well? I wouldn't. Just like if the roles were reversed, and 6 Black students jumped 1 White kid for no reason, that also wouldn't be a "simple beating" to me.
From what I've seen in Virginia thus far, this is what I would constitute a hate crime, unless someone can show me what that kid did to them. Either way, it was uncalled for. 6 on 1 is never justified. If someone wants a simple 1 on 1 fight, ok. But this is 6 on 1 we are talking about.
It requires more than the mere race of the parties be different for it to be a hate crime. If four white kids with no english decent beat up one white kid who's grandparents were english, is THAT a hate crime? Or is it merely an issue of skin shade?
Rev jesse james lol omg.. he still hasn't paid The HOTEl in DECATUR, ILLINOIS.. his rainbow coalition checked bounced.. When he tried to defend the gang fight at the football game!!! So WoW, just let OJ Since he was guilty and got off free, and Michael Jackson guilty yet free... and it will be a big reunion of SHITTY PPL
I was WAITING for the first detractor. Listen, I'm not much of a fan one way or the other, but what did YOU do to help the Jena 6? What did I do besides making a free vid? Jesse, Al and Maxine were there leading the charge. Therefore, I can't say nothin' about 'em.
Yeah, but they were charged with attempted murder. Kids fighting back and forth at a high school should not result in only one side going to jail and being charged for a crime they clearly didn't commit. Read up on it.
Well I wasnt there, and I haven't followed the story, attempted murder doesn't sound appropriate, if it was just a schoolyard fight, but if 5 or 6 kids beat up 1 kid, I'd think that was at least assault and Battery
You really haven't followed the story, huh? Just some black kids decided to beat up one white kid, and you feel informed enough to comment? Seriously, google the story.
I am just realizing that this is a video of your song. The song is cool, cool, cool, but I want to hear some dialoge on Jena. Especially on the disparaging comments Killer Mike & Mos Def made against black celebrities. There is more than one way to give back, ya' know.
man I been waitin' on a new video from you I ran through all of your videos [the commentaries], I check for you like a podcast man, you need to make that move and do an official blog or podcast. Thats how tavis smiley made it, he just started a show on am radio and it caught on. Keep up the work.
I agree with you,man. The Jena 6 should be freed. The world we live in today, racial profiling and racism still runs amok. We got so many problems in the U.S. but we go and start trouble in other countries and not try to help issues like Darfur or gas prices. Good Song btw.
So six blacks assaulting a white man is ok, but if it were the other way around we would never hear the end of it. They are criminals and they deserve to be punished at the full extent of the law. I will quote the poster of this video. "HATRED is human nature; racism is learned. " What YOU are saying is RACISM. The young white man was targeted because of his race; That is RACISM, in every sense of the word. To free the Jena Six is to free CRIMINALS.
eienaras 2 years ago
So what you're saying is...you haven't a clue what happened. it was a fight, dude. An alleged fight. Six kids jumped on a seventh. Happens probably a thousand times a day in this country. Why were these six charged with "attempted murder"? That was the charge, they were arrested, detained, and I made this video because in such a miscarriage of justice, they needed to be freed. Charge them with "aggravated assault", not "attempted murder". Pay attention.
BlackSoultan 2 years ago
Dude i live in Louisiana i know exactly what happened. The kid was leaving the lunch room where he was jumped by 6 kids in a racially motivated attack. Now why dont you think for a second. If six white kids jumped a black kid because he was black do you think he would ever hear the end of it? No, and surely thousands of people wouldnt march to free the six white kids. You are right it happens every day and white people go to jail for committing "hate crimes"
eienaras 2 years ago
And that's still not the point. That COULD likely be a hate crime if there is some evidence of racial motivation. I'll go all in on THAT. But what it ISN'T is "attempted murder", which was what their charge was...THAT'S why we marched. THAT'S why this was posted: because they were charged with an unjustifiable crime. You may be from louisiana, but I happen to actually be AN ATTORNEY, and a damn good one. They can't justify "Attempted Murder". THAT'S the problem.
BlackSoultan 2 years ago
6 black people stomping a white kids head in while he is defenseless on the ground. Sounds racially motivated to me. Especially when you take into consideration the events that took place the week before, and the high level of racial tension that was already running rampant through the school. Thousands of white males are in prison at this moment for less than this, charged with hate crimes.
eienaras 2 years ago
"sounds racially motivated" isn't going to reach to the level necessary to classify it a hate crime. I agree it seems clear, but evidentiary rules are strict.
As for thousands of whites in jail for this very same thing, there has to be more evidence than just "seems racist to me!" I was almost jumped by falcon fans in Atl, and they were all white. By your logic, and considering the local, had those guys not been wusses, they should be arrested for a hate crime had they followed through.
BlackSoultan 2 years ago
Nice flow, content, and voice inflection. Keep doing what you do. Just make sure you don't lose your sense of humor in the struggle. If we (human beings) lose that we've lost everything, even if we (human beings) win the world.
BoboThaMonkey 3 years ago
Racism is human nature, in my view. If you look around the world, different races and different cultures have hated one another since the begining. People have a tendancy to look at others as the cause of their personal failures. Typically, they look for someone who looks and acts differently than they do. I know it's ignorant to do that. But, it's not going to stop. Point being, when it comes to the human race as a whole, absolutes do exist. On an individual level, ALWAYS is fallable.
aphterphoto10 4 years ago 2
HATRED is human nature; racism is learned.
BlackSoultan 4 years ago
I thought Colon Powell was going to be the first black president. And the fact that color makes a difference in any endevor illustrates that race is important to people. Thus racism exists.
aphterphoto10 4 years ago
Yep. He would have been had he run. He'd have run on the republican ticket, but he would have garnered a large liberal vote because of his politics. My only hang up on him would have been his Military background. They tend to make tyranical presidents.
BlackSoultan 4 years ago
To the gentleman who said "there will always be racism", I have to put forth that such absolutes are never absolute. for example: Ever thought we'd have a black presidential frontrunner??!? Im 31; never thought I'd see it.
BlackSoultan 4 years ago
Does that mean there is NO racism? Not hardly. It just means that you were being naive when you thought it wouldn't happen in your lifetime. BIG difference.
Fact is, most white racists are looked down upon and cinsidered to be not too smart. So what the guy said about giving them undo attention is correct. YOUm, who didn't think we could have a black frontrunner, and millions like you are the ones perpetuating racism. But it will ALWAYS exist. So why give these idiots so much credence?
TechsasT 4 years ago
You missed the whole point. Of course that doesn't mean there is no racism, it just means we cannot speak in absolutes. DERRRR!
BlackSoultan 4 years ago
There will always be racism. There will always be racists. If you focus on them, they will drag you into their miserable world. Identify what you want out of life, focus on achievieng it, and ignore the hate filled malcontents who blame other people for their problems. They are contagious.
aphterphoto10 4 years ago
BTW, A black person voting for Obama because he's black, A woman voting for Clinton because she's a woman, and a white person voting for McCain because he's white are three people equally shallow and biggotted.
aphterphoto10 4 years ago
To this, I agree.
BlackSoultan 2 years ago
Did whites rally up together in support of those officers nearly to the proportion that blacks are doing for Jena Six? No.
Blacks do not understand that acts of senseless acts of violence are in no case appropriate, even when in response to initial senseless acts directed at them. Violence is an accepted way of life and they find it appropriate to use in these situations.
Google: Crime in Charlotte NC, hit the first link, and scroll down, these are the people I see on the street everyday.
nch1211 4 years ago 2
Wow, a white guy with absolutely no clue what the Jena 6 rally was about. CALL GUINNESS!
BlackSoultan 4 years ago
If this was caught on camera it would be another Rodney King, in which all you black people were outraged when the white police officers beat the poor black man (who was high as a kite, driving 115 mph down the highway, got pulled over by police eventually after a high speed chase, and he attacked them.) Then all that was on tape was the incident halfway through so all that was seen was them hitting him when he was down.
nch1211 4 years ago
Beating an unconscious man until your other arm gets tired is not legal. Don't care how horrible a person Rodney is. Sorry.
BlackSoultan 4 years ago
And the cops got in serious trouble like they should have...Just like the Jena 6 should
nch1211 4 years ago
No, they didn't. They got off. Remember? The whole riot thing?
BlackSoultan 4 years ago
Officer Laurence Powell and Sergeant Stacey Koon, were found guilty by a jury and sentenced to 30 months of prison, while Timothy Wind and Theodore Briseno were acquitted of all charges against them.
Yes, a four day riot took place in LA afterward...what's your point?
nch1211 4 years ago
The point is that people are so ready to get angry and lash out theat they will willingliy ignore the truth, or willingly accept falsehoods in order to fit whatever needs to be in order to give them an excuse to lash out. The Jena 6 scam is a great case in point, as is the Duke rape scam.
TechsasT 4 years ago
Nope. Sorry. All four were acquitted. Point me to this revisionist history you speak of.
BlackSoultan 2 years ago
BlackSoultan,
Yes, I remember the "whole riot thing" as you call it.
What I want to know is why the 53 White victims that were killed is never brought
up by anyone? These people had absolutely nothing to do with the "Rodney King" nonsense!
Yet, they were brutally murdered by blacks just because they were White and the opportunity arose to do harm to Whites that blacks so look forward to. Hell, they even beat a nine month old baby to death! And nothing about it in the media? Hmmmmm.....
StandardsForLiving 4 years ago 5
(con't)
And yet Rodney King is still alive? Something is seriously wrong here! Just to let you know, the next time blacks riot? We will be there also to mow you lowlifes down!!!
StandardsForLiving 4 years ago 2
The last L.A. riot targetted blacks more than whites, since they were the largest group of people killed.
BlackSoultan 2 years ago
Hmmm...
3 minute google search pulled up the race of the killed:
25 blacks
16 latinos
and only EIGHT whites. Hmmm...
Might want to do your research. This was ALL OVER "THE MEDIA"...
BlackSoultan 2 years ago
so just...all blacks don't understand this? Okay. Because if I go just by the responses to this video, it's apparent that whites generally don't understand how to make a decent legal parallel. That's wrong, and so is your presumption. Just because you probably live in or frequent very poor hickville parts of Charlotte where it's probably largely black and poor doesn't make you a quaified social scientist as to these matters.
BlackSoultan 2 years ago
they should also free Charles Mansion
se4821 4 years ago
Why you say that?
BlackSoultan 4 years ago
Sorry for the offense i did to you, i was wrong and im sorry...
vito445 4 years ago
What the White kid did was wrong, and so was what the 6 black kids did. Im just so dissapointed that races just cant get together, where i live i am friendly with other races... but if racisim is still at large, i dont think the human race is going to survive
vito445 4 years ago
Man this was tight what is the name of that song... and it doesnt matter what the kid was like, he was sticking up for his culture if your jewish and some assholes put tha nazi sign up don't you wanna kick his ass, and especially if the school CALLED IT A PRANK!!!! them racist bastards...
Dark15Light 4 years ago
The song is called Comiri and is available at myspace dot com slash bsai.
BlackSoultan 4 years ago
II was just pointing out the Michale Bell is a douche bag
vito445 4 years ago 2
Yes, but why were you pointing that out here now?
BlackSoultan 4 years ago
mike bell punched a girl in the face and broke her nose, cuz she wouldent date her.
vito445 4 years ago 2
What is your point?
BlackSoultan 4 years ago
yeah you pretty much missed the entire point of the "he shot me, but only grazed me". What matters is the intent. It has nothing to do with "deadly force". It was an example of just because he didn't get more seriously injured shouldnt take away from what happened to him.
Michael Bell was a D-1 football prospect.
brightzhadow 4 years ago
No, use of a gun on someone is always liable to be attempted murder, even if the dude intended to graze someone. "intent follows the bullet". Seriously, is anyone here trained in law at all?
BlackSoultan 4 years ago
Unless this kid was beaten by the bulimia society at his school, being "stomped" and "kicked" should have messed up an internal organ or two or a bone. Hell, one of these guys played Varsity football.
BlackSoultan 4 years ago
Bell lead the attack and was on probation from what I understand and already has a nice record. Thus charging as an adult. Attempted murder is kinda extreme but not out of the question. Especially when attempted murder can be defined as intent to inflict great bodily harm. Just because the kid got lucky and didnt have a bunch of broken ribs and a punctured lung, doesnt change anything. Would be like saying well yeah he shot me but the bullet only grazed my leg so it's ok.
brightzhadow 4 years ago
That's not like saying "he shot me, but only grazed me." A gun is always "use of deadly force", an old fashioned beat down is not. And the fact he didn't have severe injuries makes me wonder if the six really did "stomp" him.
BlackSoultan 4 years ago
whoops sorry.. i just caught the tail end of the convo and didnt feel like reading back 60 odd comments of what probably is a lot of pointless yelling. Although attempted murder is a bit extreme, it is not realy out fo the question. A 6 on 1 encounter with the kid getting jumped from behind makes it more than a school yard fight. It shows premeditation. Kicking the kid while knocked out can easily be seen as intent to inflict great bodily harm. Especially because 6 v 1.
brightzhadow 4 years ago
It depends on the mens rea of the assailants and if they could determine that the kid was knocked out. A lot of school yard fights are gang-up fights. I was on the receiving end of a few of 'em as a kid. This kid was not seriously injured. A stop at a hospital and he was fine that night.
BlackSoultan 4 years ago
Fuck you. Assault and battery, ill go with that, fine.
vito445 4 years ago
Derr!
Imbecile.
BlackSoultan 4 years ago
Fuck you!! Hanging a noose, can have racial intentions! But what this kids did, fits under attempted murder... What happened that day was wrong, every part of it!...
But i am not a racist...
vito445 4 years ago
Fits under assault & battery. You WANT it to fit under attempted murder, but there is no evidence of it.
Gee, why you want them to hang so ba -- wait, I remember: "homies" & nooses...gotcha. Almost forgot who I was talking to.
BlackSoultan 4 years ago
Im not a fucking racsit, sop calling me one. the kid should be in trouble for a hate crime, but the guys who jumped him need to be charged for attempted murder. Its just because, that is what happened. Stop calling me a racsit.
vito445 4 years ago
You're a moron if you think the kid should be in trouble for a hate crime; he didn't do anything far as we know, except get his ass beat. Now you got HIM in jail for a hate crime, and 6 blacks facing a noose! You're a MORONIC racist.
BlackSoultan 4 years ago
I already said that the events were very far apart and not related. Learn to read before you try to correct me. However, intent to inflict severe bodily harm gets you attempted murder? Cite the statute. I'll hit westlaw with it...
BlackSoultan 4 years ago
the kid attacked also had nothing to do with the noose incident. Learn your facts before screamming "RACIST"
brightzhadow 4 years ago
All the kid had was a black eye, goodness. It wasn't worth going to jail. Last time i checked if you got your ass kicked you let it be.
bombkitten 4 years ago
attempted murder doesnt even have to be intent to kill. Intent to cause great bodily harm also fits the definiton under louisiana law. Seeing as this kid was blindsided and knocked unconscious without putting up any fight, and then six guys kick him while he is unresponsive indicates intent to inflict great bodily harm.
brightzhadow 4 years ago
ok, as i said, why would they admit they tried to kill somone. dont call me a racist, im not. your infering that white people are racsit, that is reverse dicrimination.
vito445 4 years ago
No, I'm not INFERING (not a word) anything. I'm also not IMPLYING anything about white people. I said YOU are a racist, and that's not "reverse dicrimination" because that's ALSO not a word...
BlackSoultan 4 years ago
Also, no one cares what they ADMIT to. The law is clear: you can only go for attempted murder if you have reasonable evidence of the intent. If you can't show that at all, then going for that is an egregious miscarriage of justice. THAT'S THE ISSUE IN JENA, YOU IGNORAMOUS!
BlackSoultan 4 years ago
if they tried to kill somone they wouldent say that is what they were doing. and even if they just wanted to "beat his ass" they could have killed him accidentally.
vito445 4 years ago
Well, that key word "accidentally" is what the law hinges on, einstein. If you only intend a beatdown and no one dies, how do you go from that to attempted MURDER? Charge them for the right crime, don't hide behind racist logic, "homie"...
BlackSoultan 4 years ago
Look, to be honest, deep inside i think no one deserves to be hung, but they DID attempt to murder that white kid for a stupid prank
vito445 4 years ago
And...you're STILL just 100 percent wrong. So am I now to assume your racist AND stupid? Read the news. They tried to beat his ass, not kill him. No one hit him with a chair, no one used deadly force or even tried to. You can't reach attempted murder without INTENT.
BlackSoultan 4 years ago
im not a racist, i just know for a fack the mafia protected their people from these street gangs
vito445 4 years ago
So by your logic, the mafiosos should be hung. Or is that fate just for the "homies"?
BlackSoultan 4 years ago
I dont watch too many movies. In the Bronx, shit like that happens. If the Italian Mafia dident go underground, they would end the stupid street gang bullshit. once the mafia went unerground, that is when the street gangs starting taking over. all they do is shoot at other gangs because of the color shirt they wear.
vito445 4 years ago
You do in fact watch too many movies if you think they shoot each other for their shirt color. Turn off the snoop videos, and you made a good point: Mafia. Why shouldn't THOSE europeans get hung, you racist "homie"?
BlackSoultan 4 years ago
The stupid little street gangs can shoot each other all they want, but it is like drunk driving, you are putting innocents in danger to, i have seen many people die that werent even doing anything when some stupid little street gang had to shoot at another gang. for what? your "hood"? This is america learn to fucking share. My black friends also agree that the "homies" and the stupid street gangsters should die.
vito445 4 years ago
The street gangs aren't all shooting each other, turn off the movies first of all. Second, the ones that ARE shooting each other should go to court then jail or get an injection. A white guy needn't tell me the "homies" should be "hung".
BlackSoultan 4 years ago
And stop telling me what your "black" friends say. I don't care what some tokens have to say to a man who is for some sort of marshall law lynchings. I don't care WHAT the criminals did. We have a justice system and DA's for that.
BlackSoultan 4 years ago
As a matter of fact i have some black friends that have been over my house, some have even slept over when we had a party. What the fuck are you getting at by saying "homie" to me like that huh?
vito445 4 years ago
You have such a short memory, vito. Remember? "ill have to admit, some of those "Homies" and "Gangstas" like the "bloods" and "crips" do deserve to be hung." You have basically called for the hanging of blacks...
BlackSoultan 4 years ago
Fuck you! how dare you call me a racist! I got my lip split open for a black person! The kid does good in school, hes nice, has good friends, and some racist prick tried to beat him up after school, and I am the one who stood up for him. a white man.
vito445 4 years ago
Congratulations. That does not erase the probability of you being a racist. Particularly if you are keeping score. You count how many blacks been to your house too? Lemme guess: some of your best friends are black, huh "homie"?
I don't care. Point is you are not accurate as to your assessment to the legalities of the jena six case.
BlackSoultan 4 years ago
The "Jena 6" black or white broke the law they battered a person whether or not this person deserved it or not was a racist or not he did not break the law the "Jena 6" did I'm not siding with the white guy what he did was wrong but the Jena broke the law and if we free them we are saying to all criminals to that are Judicial system , laws , and justice system are a joke.
hichef1119 4 years ago
If the judicial system falsly imprisons someone for THE WRONG CRIME, then they need to be released and charged with THE RIGHT one. That's what this is about. However, when was the last time you heard of people seeing jail time for a highschool fight. Punk just got knocked out. Happens. Is it THAT serious? Someone's getting knocked out at a HS right now.
BlackSoultan 4 years ago
No Black Soultan I'm aware it happens alot and yes they did need to lower the sentence attempted murder was too much but they got caught doing and they broke the law I'm not on the white guy's side he prolly did deserve it but they broke the law , they should get the proper punishment attempted murder is a bit much though
hichef1119 4 years ago
Personally i am not a racist, but ill have to admit, some of those "Homies" and "Gangstas" like the "bloods" and "crips" do deserve to be hung.
vito445 4 years ago
No, you not PERSONALLY a racist, you just GENERALLY a racist.
BlackSoultan 4 years ago
More white people have been hung for being pirates, outlaws, back when taxes were jumping in the 1700s because of shipping from britan to the US, thousands of tax men and related people were hung. More white people have been hung than black people. that makes hanging a noose from a tree not racisim. It was simply some dumb prank. but the black kids have to try to kill him for it.
vito445 4 years ago
Yeah, I'm sure the nooses at the all white tree was not put there because blacks wanted to sit there, but because of pirates in the 18th century.
And who tried to kill who now? You can read about some pirates, but you can't google the news story to figure out what you talkin' about.
BlackSoultan 4 years ago
The black kids were trying to murder the white kid, over a rope? more white people have ben hanged than blacks
vito445 4 years ago
I swear, I can't stress it enough: PEOPLE; GO TO SCHOOL!
No one tried to murder ANYONE in this equation. The PROBLEM is six were charged WITH attempted murder and NO ONE (black OR white) tried to kill anyone.
BlackSoultan 4 years ago
Over a rope? Let somebody put a gun to your head. Does it become ok if they don't pull the trigger? It was a noose - call it what it was. You aren't that slow not to know what a noose is for. And more people of color have been slaughtered, raped, hung, terrorized and etc by racist white people. Ignorance of the truth does not make you exempt from being a racist. Please read!!!
GradieGreen 4 years ago
That was hard as hell, and simply beautiful. Can you tell me who was rapping and what's the name of the song?
Africana3789 4 years ago
That's me. The song is called "Comiri"
myspace dot com slash "bsai"...
BlackSoultan 4 years ago
For real? That was hard, you got talent, keep it up.
Africana3789 4 years ago
he had no right to try to kill him
vito445 4 years ago
Who tried to kill who?
BlackSoultan 4 years ago
Their prior bad acts are in fact not admissible in court as per state and federal rules of evidence unless the defense opens the door, specifically because they may get jurors who are as unsophisticated in their thinking as you are in this matter.
BlackSoultan 4 years ago
You are reading way more into my statements than I am saying. Show me where I said their priors have to do with the legal case?
mojohnhammer 4 years ago
Don't think I was ever talking to you.
BlackSoultan 4 years ago
I am bringing up their priors in the court of PUBLIC OPINION, which is being heard here and message boards all over. Why put words in my mouth? I never saidd the priors will or should affect the jury. Did you read my responses?
I am trying to be clear that THIS case is exactly what it should be about. and outsde of the court room, many of the "Free Jena 6" people have been swayed by the defense putting out false info, including saying these kids had no prior problems.
joebrettmanning 4 years ago
You say that like the court of public opinion is a good thing. You're making no sense. You thought you had something with that prior bad acts thing, now you don't, so you changing your tune. No one cares about the court of public opinion. No one's protesting that.
BlackSoultan 4 years ago
Also, by law, if you have habitually been known to be violent by getting into fights or domestic disputes (girl beating), that does not give the judicial system cause to treat THIS assault as an attempted murder. Try them for the crime they committed.
BlackSoultan 4 years ago
They are trying them for this charge. Who said they weren't? It's just that their defenders don't want to admit that this crime was very different than any of the other altercations they list.
The priors are brought up in response to the defense tactic trying to claim they did this because of the wrongs of others. They ignore that these were very troubled kids beofre any of the excuses they list happened.
joebrettmanning 4 years ago
Also, the idea that they can get away with attempted murder because of the noose thing is laughable and no one is arguing that. Thing is, since when is a lunchroom fight "attempted murder", and why were none of the OTHER enumerated fights from EITHER side of the race line considered "attempted murder"? That's the issue. Pay attention.
BlackSoultan 4 years ago
Fact is, no one calimed this was a "luinchroom" fight. You may need to educate yourself on this matter. i know the news reports have been distorted half-truths (and some total lies), but they are being accused of far more than that. They are being accused of systematically threatening kids on a "list" and beating one of them. They are accused of ushering some out of the gym, and keeping others in, then assaulting someone that they had planned on hurting. Premeditated assault, NOT a fight.
joebrettmanning 4 years ago
And all of that is not "attempted murder..."
BlackSoultan 4 years ago
Maybe it is maybe it isn't. If you read the way some of the witnesses describe it, it could be. Facts are: DA's often start off with the heavier charge and work their way down, Bell and the two who's trial dates have been set were reduced to aggravated assault, they were offered pleas of Aggravated assault with suspended sentences. It's not the big hardcore case of injustice people wanted it to be.
joebrettmanning 4 years ago
Let me explain this to you: there is no "maybe it is, maybe it isn't." It simply is not attempted murder. That's what the whole hang up is: they are being charged for a crime they did not commit.
BlackSoultan 4 years ago
You don't know legal system then. Sometimes it IS maybe it is, maybe it isn't. There is a fine line with attemopted murder and he has a harder time proving it, which is probably why he has dropped charges to 2nd degree aggravated battery. But it is very common to start off with a higher charge, particularly when the investigations are still taking place. It helps in negotiations and it gives them room to lower the charges base don eveidence or lack thereof.
joebrettmanning 4 years ago
Many in the area wanted him to go ahead with hate crimes, but he upped the charges to attempted murder to appease the people of the community. He lowered them before trials. these are not out of the ordinary.
And yes, if he could prove the conspiracy was to do more than hurt them, and show medically that the right kick to the head could recult in death, YES it could be attempted murder. But aggravated assult is better, IMO, and that is what they are being prosecuted for.
joebrettmanning 4 years ago
No, they are still being charged with attempted murder, and it simply is not, even if the kicks could have resulted in death. That would fall out of the realm of attempt because you have to prove mens rea and they have no probable cause for that.
BlackSoultan 4 years ago
No they aren't. So far 3 trial dates have been set and ALL three were lowered to aggravated assault and conspiracy to commit the same. The same things Mychal Bell was tried for.
joebrettmanning 4 years ago
"No, they are still being charged with attempted murder, and it simply is not, even if the kicks could have resulted in death."
-So by that logic if I shoot you in the chest, I'm not trying to kill you, just shoot you in the chest?
calbeesnapcult 4 years ago
I know that they weren't construed as a terrorist threat, but they should have been. Also, the fact that the Jena 6 were pugnacious BEFORE the jena 6 holds no baring. If an ex-con killer is assaulted and he proceeds to beat up the guy who assaulted him, then the fact that he has a violent past does not erase the violence of the assault proponent in THAT instance. I know you don't get it, tho. Read it five times, let it sink in.
BlackSoultan 4 years ago
This this particular case is far worse than you want to admit. I bring up their prior recrds and attitudes because people are trying to claim the noose incident MADE them do it, or that ongoing injustice against them should be blamed. Which is BS because they were acting out well before any of that.
But I agree totally with looking at just THIS case, which backs charging this one different than the others, because none of the others compare at all.
joebrettmanning 4 years ago
What you do not seem to notice is that there were MULTIPLE fights that occured for quite some time after the nooses stunt (which should be construed as a terrorist threat by law). The question is why whould this ONE fight be singled out and these SIX be tried for ATTEMPTED MURDER?
BlackSoultan 4 years ago
Because this one was TOTLLY different from the others. You brought up the great point that many are ignoring. Why was this one diffrent? Read the witness statements and find out. The claim is not a spur of the moment fight. The claim is that a pack of dangerous youths were prowling the school, telling people of a hit list, and telling students they were on it, then setting up a situation where they cornered one, knocked him cold and beat him while down. That is why it was prosecuted differently.
joebrettmanning 4 years ago
ok i see alot of people talking bout 6 on 1 the night before at a dance rober bailey was jumped by 5 white boys why they not locked up??????
Gods5 4 years ago
And finally someone notices...:-)
Thanks for someone picking up on the fact that this wasn't just six black kids deciding to go nuts on a white kid. The issue is the disparity in treatment. All the crimes that have gone on in Jena since last year and these KIDS are the ones arrested for ATTEMPTED MURDER? Since when is being hit with a shoe attempted murder? Dude got knocked out. Shouldn't have been fighting.
BlackSoultan 4 years ago
No. they didn't just "decide to go nuts". It was a premeditated attack that others over heard them planning. they even cornered a few others to tell them they were next.
joebrettmanning 4 years ago
I'm going to post the account that I read ... "On Friday, December 1, 2006, there was a private party, attended mostly by whites but with some blacks, at the Jena Fair Barn.[10] Five black youths, including 16-year-old Robert Bailey, Jr., attempted to enter the party at about 11 p.m.
GrandeWizard 4 years ago
According to U.S. Attorney Washington, they were told by a woman that no one was allowed inside without an invitation. The five youths persisted, stating that some friends were already in attendance at the party. A white man, who was not a student, then jumped in front of the woman and a fight ensued. After the fight broke up, the woman told both the white man and five black youths to leave the party.
GrandeWizard 4 years ago
Once outside, the black students were involved in another fight with a group of white men, who were not students.[9] Police were called to investigate. Justin Sloan, a white male, was charged with simple battery for his role in the fight and was put on probation. Bailey later stated that one of the white men broke a beer bottle over his head,[11] but there were no official records of Bailey receiving medical treatment for the injury.[9]
GrandeWizard 4 years ago
I did not read that it was a 6 on 1 that attacked Bailey based on that account.
GrandeWizard 4 years ago
Because Robert Bailey never made that claim till later. His report of that incident that he gave police is differrent from what he later said. There were also numerous other witnesses and Bailey's history of starting trouble and lying about it.
joebrettmanning 4 years ago
Can't say I am looking for the Jena 6 to be freed. They had no right taking it to the level they did ... 6 on 1 beating 1 White Student even after he was unconscious. That is a Hate Crime. But I do feel the White Students responsible for putting the nooses up should not only be expelled, but Prosecuted as Adults for Hate Crimes.
GrandeWizard 4 years ago
How is beating up a kid a hate crime? What you and everyone else grabbingt at straws needs to know is that there has to be evidence that the crime was racially motivated for it to be a hate crime. Judging from the facts here, the "jena 6" fight was just a good old fashioned beating. If you know of anything different, link me.
BlackSoultan 4 years ago
Ok, well regardless if it is a hate crime or not, it still happened and now the Jena 6 is being prosecuted for 2nd degree Battery. But like I said, I do feel that the Whites originally who hung the nooses should be prosecuted for a Hate Crime, but apparently the law says you can't prosecute minors for this. I would still attempt to prosecute them as adults, though. They deserve something more than a measly suspension. They should be expelled in the absolute very least.
GrandeWizard 4 years ago
But are you also not saying that what happened in Norfolk, VA was also not a hate crime? Thus far, I haven't heard any sort of motive for why those kids jumped the 1 kid. Would you call 6 White Students jumping 1 Black kid for no reason a "simple beating", as well? I wouldn't. Just like if the roles were reversed, and 6 Black students jumped 1 White kid for no reason, that also wouldn't be a "simple beating" to me.
GrandeWizard 4 years ago
From what I've seen in Virginia thus far, this is what I would constitute a hate crime, unless someone can show me what that kid did to them. Either way, it was uncalled for. 6 on 1 is never justified. If someone wants a simple 1 on 1 fight, ok. But this is 6 on 1 we are talking about.
GrandeWizard 4 years ago
It requires more than the mere race of the parties be different for it to be a hate crime. If four white kids with no english decent beat up one white kid who's grandparents were english, is THAT a hate crime? Or is it merely an issue of skin shade?
BlackSoultan 4 years ago
Rev jesse james lol omg.. he still hasn't paid The HOTEl in DECATUR, ILLINOIS.. his rainbow coalition checked bounced.. When he tried to defend the gang fight at the football game!!! So WoW, just let OJ Since he was guilty and got off free, and Michael Jackson guilty yet free... and it will be a big reunion of SHITTY PPL
stwforw 4 years ago
I was WAITING for the first detractor. Listen, I'm not much of a fan one way or the other, but what did YOU do to help the Jena 6? What did I do besides making a free vid? Jesse, Al and Maxine were there leading the charge. Therefore, I can't say nothin' about 'em.
BlackSoultan 4 years ago
Uh, didn't they assault someone?
24t68Jm1 4 years ago
Yeah, but they were charged with attempted murder. Kids fighting back and forth at a high school should not result in only one side going to jail and being charged for a crime they clearly didn't commit. Read up on it.
BlackSoultan 4 years ago
Well I wasnt there, and I haven't followed the story, attempted murder doesn't sound appropriate, if it was just a schoolyard fight, but if 5 or 6 kids beat up 1 kid, I'd think that was at least assault and Battery
24t68Jm1 4 years ago
You really haven't followed the story, huh? Just some black kids decided to beat up one white kid, and you feel informed enough to comment? Seriously, google the story.
BlackSoultan 4 years ago
Isn't that why you post videos, for people to comment?
24t68Jm1 4 years ago
That was hotness. Good job. and keep up the good work.
williamholsey 4 years ago
free ted bundy too
socialfailure 4 years ago
thought they fried him.
BlackSoultan 4 years ago
good song, and video!
preciousKnowledge 4 years ago
actually this shit is HOT
preciousKnowledge 4 years ago
Excellent. Man I can't take this injustice anymore. Its not just in JENA its all around the "United" States.
RumbleHD 4 years ago
I am just realizing that this is a video of your song. The song is cool, cool, cool, but I want to hear some dialoge on Jena. Especially on the disparaging comments Killer Mike & Mos Def made against black celebrities. There is more than one way to give back, ya' know.
yourboidan 4 years ago
man I been waitin' on a new video from you I ran through all of your videos [the commentaries], I check for you like a podcast man, you need to make that move and do an official blog or podcast. Thats how tavis smiley made it, he just started a show on am radio and it caught on. Keep up the work.
yourboidan 4 years ago
YAY! I was there? You were there? If I woulda saw you..I woulda said something lol I'll be posting the videos I have soon.
BeCoily3Paula 4 years ago
I agree with you,man. The Jena 6 should be freed. The world we live in today, racial profiling and racism still runs amok. We got so many problems in the U.S. but we go and start trouble in other countries and not try to help issues like Darfur or gas prices. Good Song btw.
dvidgame 4 years ago
good job man
BROUGHAM 4 years ago
Great song
CypressHillSoldier72 4 years ago
Nice!
Steadno 4 years ago
VERY GOOD
SoMuchJunkMail 4 years ago
nice work
Project018 4 years ago
Great job!
nihilisia 4 years ago
Good post. I totally agree the Jena 6 should be free.
lawrencedaman 4 years ago