Nylonase: Mutations DO add new information, dumbasses!

[RespectMyHate]

LOL this video is wrong in so many ways.

Poorly done.

[scottpastry]

@RespectMyHate this video is completely right in every way.

[QAndyJack]

This is a bad upload and is to be ignored! THUMBS DOWN.

Sorry to burst your evolutionary bubble, but true empirical science tells us this has been disproven years ago.

Sigh..Evolutionists will try any old trick to back up there theories.

What will they come up with next?

[ScienceIsKnowledge]

@QAndyJack

Citation please.

[QAndyJack]

@ScienceIsKnowledge: No mechanism present in DNA to enable micro evolution to happen..

Mutations do not add new information to DNA.

So how can evolution happen?

It happens in the science, and thats it..

[ScienceIsKnowledge]

@QAndyJack

God's Java then is it?

Citation please....

[scottpastry]

@QAndyJack new genetic information from the 2 step process of gene duplication and mutation, is well understood and documented. who do you think you are convincing otherwise?

[heinno777]

Dude you should remove this video, it really makes atheists look bad - the information is totally outdated - it was already proven incorrect in 1984 by Susumu Ohno: " ..that mechanism of gene duplication as the means to acquire new genes with previously nonexistent functions is inherently self limiting ... in reality, is but a mere variation of the preexisted theme.- see study: “Birth of a unique enzyme from an alternative reading frame of the pre-existed, internally repetitious coding sequence”

[tingtangs]

@heinno777 Are you fucking retarded?

Typical creationist idiot. Quit quote mining. You are misrepresenting his statement.

Now fuck off.

[ScienceIsKnowledge]

@heinno777

So?

This refutes nothing mentioned in this video...

[JoeTwerton]

Sorry to disappoint, but bacteria can pick up plasmids from each other. The latest evidence is that this bacterium picked up the gene from another strain.

[tingtangs]

@JoeTwerton LOL, and where did that strain get it from? God? HAHAHAHAHA...

[shnazer1]

The world loves it's own

[Metsada007]

The greatest scientific myth in the last 500 years. A pagan religion.

[tingtangs]

@Metsada007 You are a retarded little shitstain. 500 years? LOL, you fucking moron. Evolution as a theory hasn't even existed for that long.

[giska1000]

@tingtangs ahahhahhaha evolution theory exists before 6 centuries b.c and it came from greece...maggot.....from Greek philosopher Anaximander.....thats how ,,smart,, you are.....brainless midget......

[scottpastry]

@giska1000 "ahahhahhaha evolution theory exists before 6 centuries b.c and it came from greece...maggot.....from Greek philosopher Anaximander"

wow he said diversity in organisms is caused by changes in allelic frequency to a population over time?? thats impressive!!! citation please so i can check this wondrous claim.

[itzahazylife]

@Metsada007

Yeah what a myth..DNA self replicates. Anything that replicates is bound to make errors. Those errors change the genetic template. DNA changes over time. Life is essentially DNA, so, life changes over time..What a myth. There's no evidence at all for it. You idiots were right all along I guess.

[fallenknight308]

wow, a bunch of text telling me I'm a moron because of a fact in science?

really? no....really?

think this through a minute darw-tard.

The burden of proof is on YOU to prove to me that there IS NO GOD

prove me wrong!

The Bible is shit, full of errors, contextually flawed?: PROVE IT!

Don't be shy, shatter my fragile perception of reality.

FAIL!

[jlambism]

Prove Bible is full of errors? Ahem... Gen 1: Plants, Sun/moon/stars, Animals, Humans Gen 2: Human man, plants, animals, Eve Jesus' Final Words: Matthew: "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" Luke: "Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit." John "It is finished." Gen 1:20 Fowl created from the waters Gen 2:19 Fowl created from the ground ISA 14:21 Punish children for their fathers sins DEU 24:16 Fathers and children not responsible for each other's sins I could go on...

[ScienceIsKnowledge]

@jlambism

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

[ScienceIsKnowledge]

@fallenknight308

How much time do u have?

I will take a stab at it......

[NegativeBeef]

All creatards need to be locked up mental institutes. Their existence is a hazard to normal people.

[BreshiBaraElohim]

Did not that occur as the result of the deletion of a base pair from the genome? Is this not rather an example of fortunate Devolution?

[kjordon1]

Creationists aren't the one to believe that the mind and thoughts and conscience could evolve from mere earthly and comic matter!

[Chopstewie]

The appearance of "mind", thoughts and conscience are a result of electrochemical activity in the brain. An organ which is composed entirely of earthly matter, and that operates in accordance with physical law. No supernatural explanation is needed. In addition there is solid fossil/genetic/comparative anatomy evidence to document the rise of this structure we call the "brain", evolution in action my friend.

[NegativeBeef]

Creatards believe in an invisible man, talking snakes, unicorns, fire breathing dragons, and a man that can survive in the stomach of a giant fish for 3 days.

Yup creatards are sheer geniuses

[kjordon1]

Creationists aren't the ones who believe that DNA could form itself without any information on how to assemble the DNA information in the first place!

[Chopstewie]

Nor do evolutionists (the more up to date term is "scientist"), Abiogenisis currently has several theories dealing with chemical constructs that preceded full on DNA, like the RNA world hypothesis. No-one is under the impression DNA spontaneously appeared.

I bet your one of those idiots who believe crystals could create themselves, as if a perfectly ordered structure could come out of chaos!

[Chopstewie]

;-)

[kjordon1]

HA HA HA! Why don't you atheists stop calling us idiots since you pepople are the real idiots. You just admit that a perfectly ordered structure can't come out of chaos. Yet that's exactly what the theories of big band, abiogenesis, and evolution state, only that it happens over time. And yet you people believe all those theories. You're an evoLOONtionist LOL

[Chopstewie]

oh wow...

Yeah...I was using sarcasm (hence the emoticon), as crystals do in fact spontaneously from in an ordered manner out of apparent chaos.

I would have never imagined anyone could be ignorant enough to take the bait on that one, but you have proved me wrong...congratulation are in order I suppose.

[tingtangs]

The complete and utter moron kjordon1 apparently claims that snowflakes don't exist (order from the chaos of water).

[kjordon1]

So the formation of crystals and snowflakes prove that life did form on its own. Go run and tell the whole world that all creationists are idiots because crystals and snowflakes are real proofs and that this whole universe did form on its own and life did form on its own and that there is no God. : )

[LaingGod]

Shining example of creatard intellect.

[kjordon1]

I'm glad to be the scientific moron because it shows that we have the irrefutable evidence on my side of the debate, not a bunch of refuable evidence or a multitude of arguments whose only ability is to make the other side look ignorant and silly, and not to actually prove evolution. Yup, keep the ad hominem attacks coming. : )

[NegativeBeef]

No crystals and snowflakes proves that complex structures can form on their own. Yet another creatard fail.

[kjordon1]

Hey tingtangs and all you other evolutionists, you people like to call creationists fools for willfully ignoring evidence, but we are not the ones who would know by experimentation and exploration, know that soft tissue of dinosaur cannot last 1 million years, yet still believe that some soft tissue from a T-rex lasted 65 million years!

[tingtangs]

Hey kjordon1, you ignorant moron. Stop spreading misinformation, and educate yourself instead.

[kjordon1]

You know what I'll admit that some things I and other creationists wrote were a bit ignorant. But that's OK because that only proves how wrong the theories of abiogenesis and evolution are. Because if "cretards" are all completely stupid morons with the brain the size of an aphid, why isn't evolution an established fact just as gravity is? I know why because the EVIDENCE is on the side of the creationists.

[pwnzormasteruvnoobs]

Gravity is a theory.

[kjordon1]

All I need to know is that soft tissue from T-rex was found, the dino era had a pre-cambrian explosion NOT pre cambrian evolution, and that universities and labs routinely kick out anyone who questions evolution, to know that evolution from one specie into another is false.

I may be a scientific moron but evidence is what counts, not human intellect. I have never heard of any scientific fact that is estiablished by intellect, or a scientist being believed simply because of his intellect.

[kjordon1]

If creationists are such morons, you people should have won the debate and crushed us by now and establish evolution as fact. (just like the flat earthers are crushed by the evidence of a round world) . But you didn't because the evidence is on the side of the creationist. You know that and that's why you get your petty little kicks out of calling us fools because of mere scientific knowledge. Go ahead and worship your scientific knowledge because it is your God.

[blehblehbleh86]

@kjordon1 You should read more. The tissue-like substance found in the fossil I believe you are referring to turned out to be fossilised soft tissue, and nothing more. Please stop lying, as it's making your argument look pathetic.

[laservishnu]

Awesome music choice.

[mindoversplatter]

Absolutely BANG ON ! And not the slightest bit offensive to a rational person.

[TheRealEricLester]

sir as an atheist and more impotantly a secular humanist I respect your enthusiasm for science and the proliferation of knowledge, however calling your opponents dumbasses for not holding you values and having your knowledge is very christian, and ergo unnecesary and destructive to your goals

[tingtangs]

I'm not calling them dumbasses for "not holding my values", but for lying and being willfully ignorant.

[TheRealEricLester]

well in that case they are'nt dumb asses but evil

[NegativeBeef]

They are liars and a disgrace to humanity. I thought they had a commandment for that?

[kjordon1]

Who is the bigger retard? Is it me who merely FORGOT about snowflakes and crystals when I made the comment, OR is it you people who believe blood vessels and blood cells can last for 65 million years? I think you people would be smart enough to stop laughing because you win the intellectual debates, since you peope suffer an epic FAIL when it comes to irrefutable pieces of evidence. Ouch this cretard got you now didn't he? God will forgive me for a lie due to forgetfulness : )

[Phyerbyrd]

What causes decay? Bacteria. What do bacteria need? Free oxygen. Where is there no free oxygen? Heavily compacted, dried up silt. What's in that silt? Fossils. Think, no oxygen, no bacteria, no decay.

[kjordon1]

Liars? I was wrong because of forgetfulness. I admit I was wrong. I admit I was ignorant. Now only a truly honest person can say such things about themselves. How about you people. Instead of admitting that T-Rex and other dinos were recent creatures, living merely thousand of years ago, you people LIE by distorting your faces and say that blood cells can last for 65 million years. WOW you people are the REAL liars. You need to learn honesty and humility like a christian person, such as me : )

[furbearingbrick]

"You need to learn honesty and humility like a christian person, such as me : ) "

ARRRRGH! That's another irony meter broken!

[kjordon1]

Bacteria changing its digestive juices to eat nylon. So what? Different species? OK evolutionists you all have to bite the bullet. Some people developed darker skin to deal with the hot sun Africa Brazil and Indonesia, ulike the white folks in Europe, Canada and Russia. Are we different species of people? Well then this sets up the stage for more Hitler type eugenics because one race will say "we are better evolved and to better humanity let's eliminate the poor, sick and inerior races."

[furbearingbrick]

*GIANT BUZZER SOUND*

Sorry kjordon, that massive Godwin destroyed whatever smidgen of credibility you had left.

[NegativeBeef]

I agree 100%. Inferior people like kjordan1 and creatards don't deserve to live.

[kjordon1]

"Inferior people like kjordan1 and creatards don't deserve to live"

No surprise you think this way. Many atheists like you do. Due to our "inferiority" we must die. I guess you and Hitler would be friends because like him you believe in the elimination of the "inferior" people in the world.

[kjordon1]

I thought about deleting my failed comments, but I purposely left my comments on the page because I knew it would lure you unsuspecting atheists to reply to my comments. I want to debate you people and crush your beliefs with REAL evidence, not just crystals and snowflakes LOL. I know you people cannot resist the pleasure of ridiculing creationists.

[Phyerbyrd]

I don't want to kill you, and I'm an atheist. Social darwinism doesn't work, besides we're communal organisms and rely on each other for support. This behavior is also seen in wolves and ants. You can't crush all of the evidence we have, all of the fossils, the dates, the sequenced chromosomes, even the home-bred crops and livestock.

[ahmology]

@NegativeBeef i agree too

[tingtangs]

@kjordon1

Did you even watch the video? A completely new enzyme was created. That means there is no limit to what enzymes can be created, which means that there is no limit to how the whole organism can change.

You are an idiot.

[justforflag2]

Yeah, right, dinosaurs evolving wings and later flying? So what? New species?

Get a life. Watch the video.

[kjordon1]

OF COURSE thats a different species of dinosaurs form most dinosaurs. Just like the duck billed, egg laying platypus is a different specie of mammal from other mammals.

[justforflag2]

Yeah. So, what is your argument again?

:P

[ThePerrynator]

just because an organism can change a bit, that doesn't mean that there's any new DNA

[tingtangs]

There is new DNA, and there is no limit to how the entire organism can change. Watch the damn video, you moron.

[GodCreatedMarajuana]

evolutionist BELIEVING moron. its a theory, ever heard of it. its not proof. lol

[tingtangs]

A theory is the highest level in science. There's nothing above it. There is no "proof" in science, you ignorant creotard.

[GodCreatedMarajuana]

ha! lol

[GodCreatedMarajuana]

too bad its just CARBON FLIPPING! ; )

[flayktheone]

I wish real biologists would just do a public CNN debate with a creationist already so the country can see how much the scientific community despises the intelligent design movement.

[Jukinju]

The Ad hominem attacks are really flying on this one.

Seriously, this is the ultimate evidence for evolution. Do you think that we'll all of the sudden change our minds after seeing this.

It's no wonder you all are always on the attack. You got nothing

[tingtangs]

You idiot. This is just one of countless pieces of evidence available. It just so happens that it clearly shows that there is no limit to how an organism can change.

[NegativeBeef]

We are on the attack. Yup it wasn't the creatards that use spambots, votebots and false DMC attacks.

lol what a bunch of sad jokers.

[5PointTheology]

Ok here comes the creationist...i kno im not the favored guy on the scene here but i hav 2 say that this vid was not an arguement at all. Fraught w/ bad language, hate 2wards a christian worldview, and missleading facts, thats about it. Genetics has neva found any, repeat any mutation w/ increased sofistocation in the genetic code. Nor has any species eva failled 2 reproduce after their own kind.

[tingtangs]

Watch the video, you idiot. Stop trying to change the subjecft.

[TheRealEricLester]

mutations happen all the time. and whenever it does, it means somebody just failed to reproduce after their own kind.

[hume1947]

1 / 3

tingtangs @

** "A completely new protein/enzyme formed to digest nylon. Got it? Too complicated for a stupid ass creationist perhaps?" **

1) Well the new evidence confirms that you were caught out by the deception. It was one great BIG BUG CON.

2) It is great seeing that evolutionists believe any rubbish (waste) put before them. No one bothered to investigate the alleged facts.

3) It was not random, and not a beneficial frameshift mutation. Put your video in the 'waste' bin.

[tingtangs]

You fucking idiot. Watch the damn video already.

[hume1947]

2 / 3

4) Google:

Nylon-eating bacteria, wikipedia

"A series of recent studies by a team led by Seiji Negoro of the University of Hyogo, Japan, suggest that in fact no frameshift mutation was involved in the evolution of the 6-aminohexanoic acid hydrolase."

"Scientists have also been able to induce another species of bacteria, Pseudomonas aeruginosa, to evolve the capability to break down the same nylon byproducts in a laboratory by forcing them to ....

[hume1947]

3 / 3

... live in an environment with no other source of nutrients. The P. aeruginosa strain did not seem to use the same enzymes that had been utilized by the original Flavobacterium strain. Other scientists were able to get the ability to generate the enzymes to transfer from the Flavobacterium strain to a strain of E. coli bacteria via a plasmid transfer."

[nineteenthly]

I agree creationists must be in denial to ignore the huge weight of evidence against their views, but there are limits to how organisms can evolve. Such as, only a few animals can digest cellulose. Most rely on microbes, despite it being a good source of energy. This means some things can't evolve to do certain things. Anyway, having said that, i agree with you in general and i feel your frustration and anger with their attitudes. The basis is more emotional so many won't listen to reason.

[5PointTheology]

No creation science is reasonable, the "huge weight of evidence against their views" is lacking, if u think othawise feel free 2 correct me. The theory of evolution is just that, a theory and neva proven 2 be more just taught that way...

[nineteenthly]

Science is not about proof but theories which have yet to be disproven. That means, for example, that Earth is not proven to be round (and in fact it isn't as it's roughly flattened at the poles and elliptical at the equator) or proven to go round the sun (which it doesn't as the barycentre of the sun is at one focus of the ellipse of Earth's orbit, and the sun moves in response to other planets too). However, these are refinements, and evolutionary theory will become refined, not overthrown.

[dingorex]

From a bacteria that eats one amino acid entree and then goes off and eats another amino acid fast food.

Is this the best you have? Very mature discussion of the merits with the hate speech.

[tingtangs]

What hate speech? Are you fucking retarded?

You clearly didn't even bother to watch the video, or you are immune to knowledge, insight and facts.

A completely new protein/enzyme formed to digest nylon. Got it? Too complicated for a stupid ass creationist perhaps?

[dingorex]

Recent research into the genes behind these traits indicates that no evolution has taken place. In fact, the genes of nylon-eating bacteria show that they have been degraded through mutation.

This degeneration of a protein-eating protein required both the specially-shaped protein and the pre-existence of its gene. The degeneration of a gene, even when it provides a new benefit to the bacteria, does not explain the origin of that gene. One cannot build a lock by damaging pre-existing locks.

[dingorex]

Nylon-eating bacteria actually exemplify microevolution (adaptation), not macroevolution. Science continues to reveal, though, how benevolent is our Creator God, who permits bacteria to benefit from degradation, and man also to benefit from bacteria that can recycle synthetic waste back into the environment.

[dingorex]

The gene that mutated to enable bacteria to metabolize nylon is on a small loop of exchangeable DNA.This gene, prior to its mutation, coded for a protein called EII with a special ability to break down small, circularized proteins. Though synthetic, nylon is very protein-like because inventor Carothers modeled the original fiber based on known protein chemistry. Thus, after the mutation, the new EII protein was able to interact with both circular and straightened-out nylon.

[tingtangs]

dingorex: You are wrong. Evolution has indeed taken place, since a completely new protein/enzyme has appeared.

And if there is no limit to how proteins can change, there is no limit to how the entire organism can change.

You are a retarded fucking monkey who needs to educate yourself instead of spewing out ignorant drivel.

Goodbye, fucktard.

[NegativeBeef]

What hate speech?

[DiggityDogg56]

I love it when creationists go on about how lab cultures of bacteria are still bacteria no matter how much they might change. Bacteria is at the domain level:

Domain->Phylum->Class->Order->­Family->Genus->Species

It's like saying evolution is false because no one has ever made a plant from an animal.

[jouc12]

You MORON!!!! That page doesn't say a thing about newly evolved bacterias, it says new bacterias have been found in human skin....that doesn't mean they're newly evolved species you idiot. There are many bacterias in the world unknown to science, if some of them are found in the skin so what?

"Linton has the entire scientific establishment disagreeing him"

Is that the same scientific establishment that accepted haeckel's embryos as a fact? lol yep, very impressive haha.

Don't waste my time.

[tingtangs]

The scientific establishment actually exposed Haeckel's embryos as fakes. As you clearly didn't know, science corrects itself.

As for bacterias, yes, new species of bacteria have indeed evolved. You didn't answer my question about what you would define as a 'new species of bacteria', by the way.

[jouc12]

"Mr. Linton is a nobody, and no one has hear about him"

No one? or do you mean just you cause you're ignorant?

"His pathetic drivel is irrelevant when real, world-renowned scientists"

Actually he is world renowned, but you're too ignorant to know that.

"But what on earth does any of this have to do with Nylonase?"

He made a statement saying in 150 years of research there are no new bacteria species, considering how fast they multiply that makes evolution look really really bad.

[tingtangs]

He is a nobody. He is one dishonest 'scientist' who has the entire scientific establishment disagreeing with him. And they have the evidence, while he does not.

How would you define a new species of bacteria, by the way? Google 'new species bacteria', you fucking retard. First hit:

'New species of bacteria found on human skin'

ROTFL. You are indeed an ignorant fucktard. 'No new species of bacteria' my ass.

[jouc12]

"It is extremely, EXTREMELY rare that fossilization takes place"

I love it how you evilillusionist like to make excuses when you cant come up with some good dilution argument to deal with the facts that prove evolution wrong.

"No one has claimed bacteria suddenly turned into insects" you believe in evolution you have no choice. the fossil record shows animals appearing out of nowhere with no ancestors whatsoever. If evolution is a religion(and thats all it is}then you don't have to believe it.

[tingtangs]

Are you fucking retarded? That fossilization is extremely rare is not an excuse, it is a FACT. Do you deny this fact? Or are you just being an asshole and disagreeing just to disagree or because you desperately need to change the subject?

The fossil record does not show animals appearing out of nowhere. And no, I do not have to believe that bacteria suddenly turned into insects. No one who accepts Evolution believes that. It is only you who are desperate enough to lie about other people.

[k87jury]

They are, but we have enough to show the transition from reptile to mammal, fish to land creature, ape-like to modern man. We have the fossils we win.

[jouc12]

"The Bible can't even agree with itself on things like whether man or animal was created first"

The Bible says they were both made the same day. Is that clear enough for you?

"I don't know who Alan H. Linton is"

He is a well know British PhD Bacteriologist, {meaning he studies bacterias for a living} he has also written several books like 'Principles of Bacteriology, Virology and Immunity'. And you say I'm ignorant?

[tingtangs]

I wasn't talking about days. I was talking about the fact that the Bible can't even agree with itself, regardless of the number of days.

As for Mr. Linton, I don't give a shit. He is a nobody, and no one has hear about him. His pathetic drivel is irrelevant when real, world-renowned scientists who are experts in the field contradict his nonsense.

But what on earth does any of this have to do with Nylonase?

[jouc12]

"A bacteria turning into a cockroach in one single step would indeed be extremely improbable"

improbable? rofl you are quite a dreamer thats impossible all the way. No scientist even the most dedicated evolutionist would say that has no chance. Find the evidence in the fossil record that shows how a bacteria turned into an insect and then you'll be able to say that evolution doesn't claim bacterias turned into cockroaches. since the fossil record shows insects appearing out of nowhere

[tingtangs]

Are you fucking retarded?

No one has ever claimed that bacteria suddenly turned into insects. That is just a pathetic straw man from a lying creationist.

And you are clearly completely ignorant about fossilization. It is extremely, EXTREMELY rare that fossilization takes place. And no, insects did not 'appear out of nowhere', you fucking ignorant moron.

Educate yourself before spewing out further insane claims.

[gregkahuna1]

"Find the evidence in the fossil record that shows how a bacteria turned into an insect and then you'll be able to say that evolution doesn't claim bacterias turned into cockroaches."

Bacteria does not not change into insects directly. Ever heard of transitional fossils. Using simple extrapolation you would observe the trends and various mutations a bacteria would need to undergo speciation

[jouc12]

along with all the other animals it seems the biblical account is accurate and not your science fiction theory. And I never changed the subject one thing leads to another. Has anyone shown the new genes from the supposed mutation? why is it that Alan H. Linton wrote just recently: "Throughout 150 years of the science of bacteriology, there is no evidence that one species of bacteria has changed into another." To teach you a lesson, micro changes are not evolution, you need macro changes for it.

[tingtangs]

Don't be a fucking dumbass.

The Bible can't even agree with itself on things like whether man or animal was created first.

I don't know who Alan H. Linton is, but he is obviously as clueless as you are. Quotes from random creationists are useless, so stop being fucking retarded.

[jouc12]

"Your 'odds' argument is useless because it assumes that everythiing happens in one single major step."

Thats what the fossil record indicates and in fact its the evolutionist that keep saying now that the changes happened to fast because of a lack of fossil evidence for your stupid theory. The only think that seems to have evolved is the evolution theory itself as more and more facts keep burying it. Little by little changes are not possible anyway cause such small changes would be useless.

[tingtangs]

Congratulations, moron. You have just managed to derail the discussion about Nylonase. Like all ignorant, lying creationists you keep changing the subject.

But anyway:

The fossil record does NOT indicate that it happened in a single step. Again you are either a liar or extremely ignorant.

Indeed, Evolution itself has changed over time. That's how science works. As we gather more facts, the theory is adapted to incorporate those facts. As opposed to your superstition which ignores facts.

[tingtangs]

And no, small changes would not be useless. Once again your ignorance of science shines through. Or are you just lying again?

[jouc12]

I never said Bacteria turned into a cockroach you moron, you are the evolutionist remember? This is what you believe according to the fossil record not me. That moronic claim comes from evolutionist like you, so you were laughing at yourself haha. "Evolution is not 'a mindless dumb luck based process" lol really? what comes before natural selection? mindless dumb luck mutations right? so before there can be a natural selection there has to be a ridiculously and impossible lucky mutation.

[tingtangs]

Are you mentally ill or just extremely dishonest?

It is you who claimed that it went from bacteria to cockroach in a single step. This is not what Evolution claims. As such, your argument is nothing but a dishonest straw man. Or your knowledge of Evolution is so extremely poor that you actually though that anyone in the entire world claims that it happened in one single step.

Mutations are not impossible, and we have in fact observed beneficial mutations directly.

[tingtangs]

When you claim that mutations are 'impossible lucky', it is clear that this is based on your own ignorance. It is based on your mistaken belief that 'mutation' means that a bacteria suddenly turns into a cockroach. A bacteria turning into a cockroach in one single step would indeed be extremely improbable, but this is not what Evolution says. It happens in tiny steps over long periods of time.

[jouc12]

I'm not changing the subject, cockroaches are a legitimate comparison, but of course you have no answer for my argument that's why you don't want it in the conversation. Remember the Cambrian explosion? Life goes from being microscopic to complex multi cellular organisms suddenly. According to the fossil record a bacteria turned into a cockroach in 1 generation, and you say cockroaches are not relevant to this subject? Explain to me how a bacteria turned into a cockroach with a mutation

[tingtangs]

LOL. I don't know where to start. Your ignorance is simply astounding :D

1. The Cambrian Explosion lasted for several million years. It was not at all 'sudden'

2. Multicellular life appeared before the Cambrian Explosion

3. Bacteria did not turn into a cockroach in one generation. Where the hell do you find moronic claims like that?

You are indeed an ignorant fool, and demonstrate this again and again. You think bacteria turned into cockroaches in one generation FFS! ROTFLMAO :D

[tingtangs]

The bottom line:

I am not surprised that you reject evolution. It seems that you have been brainwashed into believing in a huge number of lies and straw men rather than what evolution is actually about.

Now the question is: Will you remain willfully ignorant or will you be rational enough to take actual facts to heart?

[jouc12]

in 1 generation rofl. Also you didn't provide an answer for my odds argument, its so easy to say it just happened without thinking about what it would take. "you are sahing he designed bacterias with capability to evolve" Saying God designed bacterias with the capability to adjust is not saying they evolve. Evolution is a mindless dumb luck based process. If God made an intelligent mechanism that allows them to make the necessary changes to survive then thats intelligent design not evolution.

[tingtangs]

What 'in 1 generation'?

Your 'odds' argument is useless because it assumes that everythiing happens in one single major step. A creationist who is completely ignorant of evolution wouldn't realize that, of course, which just proves how ignorant you are on the subject.

Evolution is not 'a mindless dumb luck based process'. Apparently Natural Selection is an unknown concept to you, further proving your ignorance on the subject.

What is your 'mechanism that allows necessary changes'?

[jouc12]

"My video stated this capability evolved within the last decades" "If it happened that fast(9 days), it's evolution" who's contradicting himself now? lol If it can happen that easily then there must be a mechanism for it and not some lucky chance. Are you familiar with mathematical odds? I don't think so.

"this capability before is disadvantage" whats the advantage for Cockroaches to survive radiation? Who cares they don't eat nylon, the point is that just because a creature has the ability

[tingtangs]

First of all, your claim about nine days is bogus. See my next comment for a relevant quote from TA.

You are also misquoting me. I pointed out that Nylonase has appeared within the last few decades. I said nothing about how long the actual process took.

Stop trying to change the subject by talking about cockroaches. This is typical of douchebag creationists who never seem to be able to stick to the topic.

[tingtangs]

Quote: 'In actual fact, it was 9 days before colonies could grow at all on a simple nylon dimer, and three months before fast growing strains that could handle linear and cyclic dimers were isolated. This is typical of random mutation, a simple mutation allows the bacterial to just cope with the xenobiotic, allowing it a small selective advantage, and subsequent mutations improve on the initial weak activity. The time scale is not at all unusual for random mutation (if anything a bit slow).'

[jouc12]

to survive modern man made things it doesn't mean they evolved.

why god did it and why the last few decades? Perhaps I didn't made myself clear, what I meant was not he design nylon eating bacterias. He designed bacterias with the capability to make the necessary adjustments to survive, whatever they are. BTW the mechanism for how bacterias did it is unknown as far as I know. You are jumping to conclusions by saying it evolved without knowing for a fact what really made it possible.

[tingtangs]

Uh, no, it is not unknown how they evolved. They mutated.

[tingtangs]

Also, what you are basically sahing is 'he designed bacterias with the capability to evolve'. LOL, nice contradiction again :D

[tingtangs]

Basically, what jouc12 is saying is 'I cannot imagine how it could have evolved, therefore God did it'. Typical religious creationist.

Besides, he contradicts himself. First he says that the capability was there all along, and then he says that it was created intelligently. ROTFL.

Why would God design bacteria to eat nylon anyway, jouc12? Why in the last few decades?

[jouc12]

The Japanese researchers demonstrated that nylon degrading ability were obtained from Pseudomonas aeruginosa [strain] POA, which initially had no enzymes capable of degrading nylon. This was achieved in a mere nine days! The rapidity of this adaptation suggests a special mechanism for such adaptation, not something as haphazard as random mutations and selection. If it happened that fast then its not evolution its intelligent design you moron. Evolution takes millions of years doesn't it?

[tingtangs]

Selection is far from haphazard, but again, a creationist like yourself cannot be expected to understand how evolution works.

If it happened that fast, it is indeed evolution. Claiming that it is creation is just more religious nonsense.

'Evolution takes millions of years doesn't it?'

ROTFLMAO.

You really need to educate yourself. My video clearly stated that this capability has evolved within the last few decades.

But hey, keep being ignorant, lying and use those straw men.

[tingtangs]

Who 'intelligently designed' nylonase, and why, jouc12?

[jouc12]

Lets not forget cockroaches, they can survive radiation. Whooohooo what could that mean? cockroaches evolved to survive nuclear wars? HAHAHAHA only an evolutionist is stupid enough to believe that. So as you can see just because an animal has the ability to survive with a man made condition or material it doesn't mean it evolved for it. Therefore This bacterias are in no way proof of evolution unless you'll have people believing cockroaches are getting ready for war.

[tingtangs]

Ignorance, lies, poor analogies, etc. Yep, we've got another creationist for sure.

Cockroaches don't feed on nuclear waste, do they? But nylon-eating bacteria feed on nylon.

And evolution is such that this capability wouldn't have existed before, because it would have been a disadvantage to that bacteria to be dragging around useless 'baggage' like that.

[jouc12]

The enzymes used by these bacterias are very simple ones which simply hydrolyze precursors to nylon. That's a very simple task, which can be done even by small organic catalysts. That doesn't sound very amazing does it? To say it was a mutation because nylon didn't existed before is just an ignorant assumption. All animals including humans were design to adapt to the changing conditions of a deteriorating planet.

[tingtangs]

Why hello there, ignorant creationist.

As always, you forget about the completely new protein/enzyme which evolved.

But hey, who cares about facts, eh? Certainly not creationists like you.

[detlevi]

"All animals including humans were design to adapt to the changing conditions of a deteriorating planet." -

Being so designed, you won't mind eating discarded nylon or maybe a couple of other waste polymers. You'll surely be able to do that.

[jouc12]

Humans were not design for such changes bacterias were. But if you want an example of humans adapting to the changing conditions of the planet, here are two, Asians are adapted for cold weather and black people are adapted to hot weather. There you have it.

[detlevi]

You're right; humans were not 'designed'.

[jouc12]

Right, considering the complexity of his creation I guess engineered would be a better description.

[jobowtackmaster]

JOBOWTACKMASTER: Your honor, here are our evidence for Creation. 1. DNA 2. Intelligent Design 3. Abiogenesis 4. Irreducible complexity (the human eye, etc) 5. Archeology 6. History 7. Documentary (the bible) 8. Sightings of supernaturals 9. Unexplainable phenomenon ( ex. plants follow a particular order or pattern for yielding fruits/crops, etc.) WISE JUDGE: ok, ok, ... that's enough. You made a good evidence and you have a strong case. You win. Two thumbs up! Bailiff, take Darwin to jail.

[tingtangs]

All of those are complete bullshit. Again, you need to educate yourself, you fucking redneck.

[jobowtackmaster]

How does nylonase relate to evolution concept of Darwin?

[tingtangs]

Did you actually watch the video? Hell, you could have read the damn video description. Here's a small part of it:

'If there is no limit to what changes are possible to the proteins themselves, there is no limit to how the organism itself can change!'

[tingtangs]

By the way, jobowtackmaster, I have shown that you are an ignorant asshole and a liar. You didn't even know how nylonase relates to evolution, even though the video explains exactly that!

ROTFL.

The only person youd defeated is yourself, by being ignorant and retarded and not paying attention.

[jobowtackmaster]

DARWIN: Your Honor, here are the evidence for evolution. 1. Unknown old bone fragments and tools 2. nylon eating bacteria 3. Mr. Piltdownman 4. Man with nipples and canine teeth 5. Banana with chromosomes 6. 4 books of assumptions 7. 8 thesis of speculations 8. Creative imagination re: mutation, etc. 9. Artist's sketch & excellent drawing. 10. Good propaganda. WISE JUDGE: Wtf? Are you kidding me. That is stupid, PREPOSTEROUS! You are wasting the time of the court. CASE DISMISSED.

[tingtangs]

Wow, another ignorant religious fucktard who needs to change the subject because he can't deal with the actual contents of the video.

Piltdown Man was a hoax, you fucking moron. At least try to get a basic understanding of the evidence for evolution before making a fool of yourself.

[jobowtackmaster]

Evolutionists are like computer software that are telling their fellow programs that the computer hardware came from a spark of electricity (of unknown origin) which created certain chemicals that made up plastic, glass and metals, and which turned into a complete set of hardware over a long period of time. Then inside the hardware, a tiny electron gradually divided and multiplied in time, and due to random fusion of electrons it grew into diverse programs making up the "red alert" game.

[tingtangs]

As all creationists, your knowledge of science in general and evolution in particular is appalling.

It is your religion which postulates that life popped into existence from nothing or from mud.

Evolution does not deal with how life first arose. It deals with how it diversified once it was here.

And neither abiogenesis nor evolution teach that things suddenly appear.

Your analogy is as lame as your knowledge of science. Life lives, competes, and dies, remember. Unlike computers.

[tingtangs]

But once again, an insane, ignorant, dishonest creationist has tried to change the subject, and is now spewing out lies and straw man arguments because he cannot formulate an answer to the video itself.

If you don't stop it with your off-topic nonsense, I will simply block you. You are clearly batshit insane and unable to think rationally. Prove me wrong, or be blocked.

[imperialbanker]

soo umm...maybe that thing existed before and the scientics discorver maybe and God bless you atheist

[tingtangs]

It did not exist before because it would have been selected out of the genetic code. The reason is that even if 'dormant', the enzyme would take up precious energy, leaving the bacteria at a disadvantage, so it would go extinct.

[imperialbanker]

so explain me, because i don`t undestand what you write, because i study like all the people in a school what the cell do, but that thing of mutation, so a deformed kid is a new kind of human right? God bless you

[tingtangs]

New kind of human? Huh?

This video is about Nylonase.

[FreePlay]

You do realize that, in each generation, each person has at least five completely different gene variants that didn't exist for their parent's generation?

And most of them do nothing.

MOST mutations are totally harmless.

[BlackKingX]

Should probably tone the swearing down a little bit. People often ignore perfectly valid arguments because it's loaded with swearing or harsh language.

Besides if I was a creationist(Which I'm not, I'm a Deist.) I would probably just counter with something along the lines of "Satan created Nylonase to trick humans into thinking God didn't exist" or whatever BS like that..

[rozeboosje]

Yeah!