NEW Tesla turbine with improvements - from gyroscope.com

[TheGamingImpulse]

was ist das für ein generator und wo bekomm ich den her?

what is this and where I get the generator from?

[gyroscopes]

@TheGamingImpulse It is a tesla turbine. A version of it can be purchased from gyroscope (dot) com

[Helveticum13]

17 dislikes? I guess some people just hate others being smarter than them.

[freethisone]

wonderful work, would you consider trying rather then magnets on the platers, biffilar wound coils. flat pancake coils, and run a ferro fluid through it at 15 k rpms?

[ranskye1]

could it be used along with those vaccum type solar tubes? i read that solar hot water systems are not efficient enough to create enough steam pressure but these new vaccum tubes are supposed to be most efficient. say take a vaccum tube hot water, send the heated water to a sunlight magnifier and then send that steam to this tesla unit, charging a battery.

[gyroscopes]

@ranskye1 I do plan to make it solar powered over the summer. So yes it can be.

[ranskye1]

@gyroscopes thanks, im getting some vaccum tube solar systems soon to help heat some fish tanks during winter, in summer i will have more hot water than i know what to do with. closed loop system might be the go. rather than sending steam to waste. return the warm water. i also wonder if it is possible to make one of these without both ends of the shaft being fixed to a bearing. high volume, low head water pump maybe.. thanks

[gyroscopes]

@ranskye1 Just to give you some idea 6 square feet (1.8 square meters) will produce about 2.5kw of energy. So you would need to have something like that size to get the turbine to run. Another point be careful with the solar vaccum tubes. They are not designed for any sort of pressure. They are really only designed for warm water.

[ranskye1]

@gyroscopes i am getting three of those arrays, great for heat exchanging into fish tanks..electric bills kill and they seem very efficient for warm water.. but sounds like might only benefit from its pre heating before going to another heating device..then to steam. pity the parabolic or fresnels need to be sun tracked. splitting pre heated water to hydrogen would be nice. I like your work! thanks

[gyroscopes]

@ranskye1 One other suggestion. Some Parabolic troughs don't need sun trackers. Because of the shape

some/most of the light always hits a tube. naturally there is some wastage but there is no tracker !

[ranskye1]

@gyroscopes tops! i checked some out. they make some big ones too!

[Sugamari]

@ranskye1 O that is such great thinking! you can find the solar heater stuff at GREENPOWERSCIENCE youtube channel. I was thinking of WSE's vaccuum tube panels(750 - 900 CAD) and you made me think of the parabolic pipe I saw somewhere. maybe hhoforvolts or advancedhydrogen could use this in combo with fuelcell - or maybe skycollection and his starship rodin coil pickups on the bedini motor - man i wish i was proficient in electronics

[bearpatch626]

@ranskye1 how about using bismuth plates? with magnets inbetween the blades....

[WHplayer]

It doesn't matter how much hp you have if you have a low torque. Let's say it has 100 hp, even at full speed if it only has 1 ft pounds of torque you could stop it with your bare hands. The major down fall of this type of turbine is it has a very low torque which doesn't make it practical for an engine in a car but does make it a generator once it reaches full rpm's.

[gyroscopes]

@WHplayer Sorry that is wrong. It may not be practical in may ways. But if you have a 100hp Tesla turbine you could power a car. Just like you drive chain on a car you could have a drive chain for a Tesla turbine.

[L33TFooMaster]

@WHplayer i'm going to have to agree with gyroscopes on this one. horsepower is a measure of work. 100hp is 100hp no matter what. most people do not understand the relationship between torque and horsepower. the turbine may have to spin in excess of 100,000rpm to make that horsepower, and so would have to be geared down to be practical. if it were geared, say 100:1, the torque would be multiplied by 100. your example would then be 100ft-lbs at 1,000rpm. plenty practical. :)

[frozencreed]

@WHplayer gyroscopes is right. WHplayer also brought up a good point all on his own, it can be used as a generator. If it's got a great power to weight ratio, great efficiency, then it makes it perfect for a hybrid application. Generating electricity can turn your low-torque application into whatever you want with an electric motor.

[greenaura888]

@WHplayer Horespower=torque x rpm, if you gear it for torque it is practical.. (With a fixed horspower you can raise the torque by lowering the rpm via a gearbox)

[kirador218]

pretty sophisticated for homemade work testing, nice

[Peopleunit]

I read some time ago about Tesla's turbines, and from what I read it was stated that his turbine engines could produce 10 horse power per pound of engine weight. I might buy one of oh say, 100 horse power if you can meet those specs. :-)

[gyroscopes]

@Peopleunit Not with the versions I have created. But that could be the case when they are scaled up.

[FreedomsFuel]

I would love to purchase one of these for experimentation when will you have them available? rmorris@misok.com

[gyroscopes]

@FreedomsFuel New version will be ready in a few weeks.

[jowsered]

hey interesting design. I noticed that the surface of the discs is smooth. What if you were to etch in directional wind catching grooves? either on the ends of the discs or the sides. just a thought. j

[autoflortestein]

Hello. I'm impressed about the Tesla turbine, but i do not its principles, i need your help, can you give me an information regarding to this. How its disk sizes, efficiency and speed produced can be calculated?

[miniUMM]

can you show it in action ?

[woodwindsolarchild]

What a great educational video. Fine quality construction! Keep it up!

[cheetawolf]

cool. now how about a video of that running?

[cusanusnicolas]

A company called Solar Airo has just released a commercial wind generator based on the Tesla design. Works fine, doesn't kill birds. Thanks for the video.

[keldaln]

Have you tried a denser medium, to(sadly I lack the proper scientific vocabulary) motivate the(impeller/propeller)? I'm thinking, in terms of hydraulics. Super efficient generators in either, ocean currents, rivers, or stored potential energy(dams). And have you scaled it up? Too add, I think it is very cool.

[Squarerig]

Excuse my ignorance,I am no engineer.Would this turbine run on steam? and,if so,what effect would this high temperature gas have on the turbine blades?

[gyroscopes]

@Squarerig Yes they run on steam. They produce more power but they of course of more energy going into them.

[OliKills]

SWEET

[savagemailbox]

once again...you made my day.

[merguezboy]

Is this turbine more efficient than a normal turbine running an alternator?

[TheWhiteTiger57]

Tesla designed and intended the turbine as a prime mover, that is an engine to be powered by either internal (incorporated combustion chamber) or external (steam boiler) combustion.

Most of the tesla turbine experimenters use compressed air power simply because it makes "proof of concept" models far easier to build.

[BlueRoseRocketBand2]

Great! Nice Machining.

[jrussellslack]

Gyros: I commend you for your composure (in reply to that last asinine remark). Heads up, folks; the Tesla Turbine was well over a century ahead of it's time.

Even today there is nothing that can touch if for efficiency, cost, and versatility (not to mention power, pound for pound). Like the man said, have a read about it.

If you are not completely amazed after that, read again because you obviously were not paying attention.

[shatros]

OK so I am trying to see how this device is practical. Seems like a Rube Goldberg device to me. You need compressed air to run it and that must be generated with electricity. would you not use less electricity if you just plug those lights in?

[gyroscopes]

[head in hands].....please think about it and do a bit more research before posting comments. For some reason people write before they think on these youtube comments. Go away and have a read. If you still don't understand get back to me.

[philosothink]

Shatros... think beyond the box. One can achieve a pressure differential of gasses without the use of a compressor.

Simply because this engine is being driven by mechanically compressed air, does not imply that it is the only way.

I'd like to see one driven with solar thermal heat and a sealed, regenerative r134a system, perhaps with a below ground, or groundwater based condenser.

[Jorese23]

The tesla turbine concept can run on water and steam as well, so geothermal and the like potential. Though not sure how well this one here would run on water or steam...at least without making some adjustments first.

[shadowhunter45s]

You can use the turbine to power more than just lights . he just uses them as an example because its easy to show . if you built one big enough you could power a car. you could also power it by steam im assuming

[sschoon86]

@shatros He is not trying to prove that powering a turbine with compressed air is efficient, but rather that routing some form of pressure through this bladeless turbine does in fact create a rotational force. The fact that it does not have blades would be counter intuitive but it is an efficient design. If these were designed for commercial power production the input pressure would be steam not compressed air. The lights are there to prove that it is actually turning.

[rhinobird]

@shatros Replace the compressed air with steam or burning fuel/air (like in a car). Using compressed air is for demonstration.

[crazyfvck]

Wouldn't the exhaust from the turbine being aimed towards the generator be beneficial? I assume that would help cool it a bit..

[RacerLaszlo07]

About how much power does the tesla turbine make. I could not find it on you website. I was wondering if I could hook the shaft up to a generator head and if it would have enough power to turn the generator head

[gyroscopes]

wattage is on the website. There is even power graphs in manual. E-mail if you get stuck

[imikewillrockyou]

I think the Tesla Turbine could be used for small scale residential energy production. My only concern would be that the bearings running at high speed day after day wouldn't hold up well enough. This could create too many maintenance problems for the average homeowner to deal with. However, I really like your turbine.

[Watchdog1010]

One more, if you power spin the disks, does it make an efficient compressor/pump?

[Watchdog1010]

Could you run these in series? Using same air for 3 or 4 motors?

[gyroscopes]

yes I've done that.

[brooke959]

where can i get this whats the websites name

[keithbrianpalmer]

About how much did this cost you to build and where did you get the materials

[angiekenney]

how did u connect the motor

[gyroscopes]

Brass connector between the two shafts/

[gaussman08]

your works are always with perfect terminations , very good :B

[nicagoro]

what is the COP of this turbine?

[gyroscopes]

I don't know the COP. I've only been working on the Isoentropic efficiency

[vevrcek]

can this work with water?

[Elephantintheroom01]

I'm betting this is quite and expensive hobby.

[XenophanesFX]

How fast can this design withstand? 50k rpm? More?

[gyroscopes]

easily

[txroyscock]

Are you aloud to sell the turbine, i though there was a patient on the design

[gyroscopes]

That was over 100 years ago. The patient expired 80 or so years ago.

[johncarl43447]

That is a beautiful job you did building the Turbine .

[NYK1402]

Would it be possible to build more Turbines in a row? You know what I mean? The first Turbine presses the Air into the next, and so on...Or the first Turbine would stop spinning because it couldn't get awy the air...

[gyroscopes]

yes i have tried this and it works to a point

[sixmagpies]

This is one of the most intelligently made, clearest and succinct explanatory videos I've seen. Thanks.

[brettrobson1984]

it this going to be developed on an industrial scale?

[gyroscopes]

Thats the plan. A new commerical version is in the pipeline.

[brettrobson1984]

do you use more than one compressed tank, moving compressed air between tanks through the turbines

[Bullettube]

The Tesla turbine is fine until you attach a heavy load on it, then it slows down. Compressed air gets hotter the more you compress it, and heat is the enemy of all moving parts and efficiency suffers. Tesla invented the alternator, which by itself is one of the great inventions of mankind. Tesla knew it as only a toy for demonstrating the air boundary principal, he never figured out how to make it do practical work.

[gyroscopes]

It was installed in a few factories, so it did have practical applications. And it has been used by oil companies as a pump for many years.

[Bullettube]

As a pump? How could it power a pump? You need power to drive the air compressor, which in turn drives the turbine which drives the alternator. It would be more efficient to use what ever drove the compressor to drive a pump. A wind turbine would be practical if it wasn't necessary to pump oil 24/7. I wonder why those factories stop using them?

[gyroscopes]

No. IT can be used as a pump. Power the gen/motor and it becomes a pump. no compressor ! why the obsession with compressors? They use it to pump cude oil because it is intrinsically safe (debris passes through rather hit blades).

Why is it not used in factories? Well because it quickly became cheaper/possible to buy electricity directly from a electricity company than creating on site. Consider this... Why are now only just replacing incandescent bulbs with fluorescent bulbs ?

[cray0308]

excellent reply. cheap power availability made many of our creature comforts possible. With cheap power now disapearing, we will have to look at efficient alternatives to sustain our lifestyle OR stick to the old and accept a diminished lifestyle.

[rrrohan2288]

kudo's to new inventors

[radziok]

Isn't the input in the middle and output on the outside in the original tesla turbine?

[InventorGadget]

ooh soo nice, i love the cut-out :)

[inagod]

what about expanding gas ,like a turbo,would steam work?

[gyroscopes]

yes

[gyroscopes]

Correct. One other thing to point out. The 95% or 98% efficiency only seems to apply when under low load.

[netlethe]

Great work .. thanks ...

[Robkat3751]

What is the clearance between the disk outer edges and the casing they are mounted in? How much difference does this clearance make for operation?

[gyroscopes]

Its less than 1mm. Its not critical like conventional turbines.

[wingedsuperyak]

Nice work man. It would be so gratifying to be able to machine and experiment with things like your turbine. It is really neat in metal.  Don't let the naysayers get you down. Take care!

[tomterahedrob]

any idea as to efficieny?Id read Teslas suposedly got 60%.Brilliant piece you have here.

[gyroscopes]

This is just a demo unit. So only about 10%.

Currently working on a new version to get it up to 50%+

[tomterahedrob]

How efficient can the Tesla turbine get?

[gyroscopes]

People are still improving on it so the jury is still out on that.

[Roach1983]

The turbine itself can be up to 95% efficient.

[1995fordf150]

Is the gold thing you were messing with at 2:00 the throttle?

[gyroscopes]

No. I was just changing the direction of the nozzles.

[silentn80]

TESLA SRBINE!

[ColdOneK]

sorry for seeming like an idiot, who thinks energy is a magical unlimited source, who also doesn't know about the Law of Conservation of Energy that states it cannot be created or destroyed. I meant re-usable energy like wind-water-ect..

[ColdOneK]

how much power can a say house airconditioner sized one generate?

and I thought that the gas and oil industries were surpressing free energy things such as this?

[gyroscopes]

Its has no free energy. Still need to get the energy from somewhere.

[ColdOneK]

I meant, that even if it does get it's start from a battery, it could use wind as a power source, how this Plasmastar9's seems to take wind in the front, and push it out the back, wich spins the metal disks, and as they spin, they apply drag to a wire, or whatever method, and electricity is generated from the turbine. because of the method, the wind would pull wind into the front as it comes out the back after the initial start

[DancingSpiderman]

Is this design what is used in a jet airliner's APU to generate electricity whilst the plane is parked?

[gyroscopes]

I dont think so. Think they use normal turbines.

[rendrageed]

to answer your question dancingspiderman, an aircraft APU resembles a turbocharger on a car.. yet slightly larger.

[annyonghaseyo90]

an APU is essentially a small jet engine using a centrifugal compressor

[davinpilling]

where do you buy them?

[AdiGeorgescu22]

how did you make the discs? material? method?

[gyroscopes]

aluminium. laser cut, then milled. You can also see a video on youtube of the carbon fibre disc version.

[PlasmaStar9]

Wow. That's really a nice turbine and that single swiveling nozzle allowing you to reverse the direction of rotation is an extremely clever idea. Wonder where you came up with that?

[gyroscopes]

The turbine is teslas idea. I can up with the directional nozzles/injectors.

[Zeglr]

According to the physics of laminar flow you'd have to adjust the distance of separation of the plates to compensate for the speed of the turbine to obtain max efficiency. If someone figures out how to do this in a simple manner then you got yourselves a superior turbine than the bladed turbine.

[KorinFaux]

if you were to texture the discs a certain way, to catch the air passing over better, would that increase efficiency or decrease it?

[duncandumpertruck]

Great video, looking forward to my turbine arriving!

[dwhite1939]

Thats a great looking turbine.

[MyRant]

Wow! NASA quality device guys...great job

[tube204]

Where are you selling these from? Can you post the web address? Thank you

[pitbike2006]

hi my friend im have been into thease engines for about a year now and i have asked a lot of people if thay would sell there engine but thay all say no and i would like to know if you would sell this engine or if you can make on thanks

[gyroscopes]

Yes, we sell them.

[newmaineguide]

where?

[MrfixitRick]

Nice little TT unit! Thanks for the clear and detailed presentation. I really liked the nozzle tube design.

[latheworks]

Very nice video and very well prepared. Simply amazed when you pulled out the cross-cut version

[warfinder]

cool, just started watching your videos. Interesting stuff.