@furmaster212 thats also a 2 stroke in a smaller engine. the pistons in this are moving faster than in your scooter because they have to travel further in the cylinder, longer stroke.
to me honda is the greatest engine company in the world. they have made these motors since the 60's (obviously not the exact same ones) and there has never been car that has dropped out of a race because of an engine failure. even in there production vehicles the engines are simply amazing.
300 times a second, i cant even fathom what that looks like or even begin to understand how it doesn't blow out the top of the engine, we have come so far in technology
@TheDM75 I understand why you replied like you did but trust me I was being sarcastic, which is hard to see when you can only read words. I know Honda as an amazing racing team and all the haters out there are always gonna hate but you can't knock results. I aint ever gonna buy a Honda, they just don't do it for me but thats just my OPINION, everyone is entitled! Peace and Love!
@51dumbdumb U said u loved the sound, i dont see any "sarcasm" in there, there's nothing to read other than words because i'm on the Internet. But, you're right, it's your opinion and my opinion.
@MetalheadEchidna Thing is you could actually put one of those in an NSX or an S2000. You'd have to use other components from the F1 car just so the car can cope. Things like the gearbox, suspension etc. Not to mention all the structural modifications.
Same here, but VTEC doesn't magically boost performance like all the Honda kids think it does, it just lets the engine run on a fuel-saving economy cam profile at low revs. When VTEC engages, you get a slightly sportier cam profile. Kids like it because the change happens instantly and they can feel the marginal torque increase.
When you're driving a V8, the last thing you want is a sudden increase in power when you're going around a corner. You'll spin out and kill someone.
Why the fuck would you put VTEC on a V8? VTEC doesn't add power at the top end, it simply removes power from the bottom end to make it more efficient.
@luminaeus VTEC does not "remove power from the bottom end" it does whatever you want it to. it's the ability to have 2 cam profiles, since different rpm's have different needs usually. yes honda has sometimes used what's called a "ecenomy" cam on the lower end. but generally speaking v-tec engines are know as having a very even torque curve compared to none vvt engines.
It's economy tech and nothing more. VTEC engines have the least torque of all four cylinders... even less power than the shitty ones GM built in the late 80s.
On to reason two why VTEC in a V8 is a dumb idea: In a Civic, when VTEC kicks in, you get another 20 pound feet of torque or so. Going from 100 to 120 lb-ft of torque in a FWD econobox won't hurt your driving, but going from say 280 to 340 lb-ft in a RWD V8 will almost certainly kill you the first corner you go around.
@luminaeus "VTEC engines have the least torque of all four cylinders... even less power than the shitty ones GM built in the late 80s." care to prove that? a lot of people like to say honda engines have low torque, which is completely untrue. and as for your second comment, it all depends if you know how to drive or not. there is a reason ferrari's rev to 10 grand, and f1 cars rev to 18. but there not for everyone. if you want your soccer mom v8 that's fine,but don't put down others
@luminaeus@luminaeus hahaha! LMAO. So you think making cutouts and straight piping a leaky old American v8 is manly. How old are you? When I listen to the sound of an American v8 I can hear how badly the valve timing and spark is setup and unbalanced and how outdated the under cam technology is. This is good engineering and Honda knows what they are doing.
@luminaeus I'm not talking shit on old engines. And the 50 year old engines back in the day have the same technology found in engines made in the 21st century for example like gm still using push rods that's pathetic. Americans have poor technology.
Herpy derpy durrr... there's an advantage to pushrods - allows for massive displacement without a massively tall engine. Last time I checked the pushrod Corvette was kicking the asses of sports cars costing several times more... in speed AND gas mileage.
Hooray, Honda has a cool V-10 engine that you'll never get to use.... Maybe you just have your panties in a wad because American car makers actually let you buy cars with their best engines in them?
@luminaeus If they wanted to they can make powerful cars for everyone but they aren't as stupid as GM. This is a formula 1 engine ok, something America can't compete with. GM spends so much money on developing and research. They contribute nothing. Honda is a green company they care for the future. They have made successful hydrogen fuel cell cars used already. Sooner or later we will run out of petro. What does America have to contribute? A POS Chevy Volt haha! Its already in trouble.
Honda made an engine they can't sell to consumers... that makes them a good company? Sounds like a waste of money to me, which is the exact reason most automakers don't bother with F1.
Honda is a green company? Oooh, VTEC, that'll save the world. Or what, the new Insight that's heavier, slower, and less efficient than the old Insight? Going backwards is progress?
As for the Volt, it's the only hybrid that's capable of driving full speed on electric only.
Which doesn't work. Hear of the Honda FCX clarity. That's the most reliable and solution. GM almost went bankrupt and uses taxpayers money pathetic.. Honda does a good job and can afford to play the f1 game.
Hooray, hydrogen! Except that in practice, when you take the entire process into consideration, hydrogen is one of the LEAST efficient methods of powering a vehicle! Score another 'win' for Honda.
Meanwhile, GM has invested mountains of cash into battery research, development, and production.
You know, instead of making yourself look like an ignorant fucktard, you could have researched this information in advance.
@luminaeus How is it least efficient? You get the same mileage as a regular gasoline powered vehicle. Sure its hard to to produce but not harder then digging for oil especially in the ocean. That will create more jobs. Electricity powered cars take forever to charge and lithium batteries damage the enviorment.
Hydrogen is nifty in that you can get close to 70mpg with it, and at the moment it costs about as much as gasoline. However; in terms of total electricity used, electricity to hydrogen back to electricity is less efficient than simply charging a battery directly. Also, hydrogen requires massive infrastructure investment... but everyone already has power outlets.
And even if hydrogen is in the future, the gas generator in the Chevy Volt can easily be swapped for a fuel cell.
I drive a tuned Golf GTI with twice the horsepower and three times the torque and get the same miles per gallon as your slow ass Civic. Who's the dumbass now? LOL.
Hey, you're the dumbass responding to someone else's conversation without reading it first. Why do I need that much power? Because it's fun. Why does it still get 36mpg? Because it's a modern direct injected engine. Welcome to the future noob.
@luminaeus I only responded to your "Oooh, VTEC, that'll save the world..." bullshit. I don't need to read anything else. Jesus kid, you got no logic.
And you're a hypocrite if you want to "save the world" but then you tune your car to supposedly 200 hp and 300 flb.
And NO, you really don't get 36 mpg with that much power. So stop bullshitting around, nobody believes you for 1 second and you look like a complete ass.
I didn't tune the car to 200hp. It comes stock with 200hp 207tq. I tuned it to 253hp and 303tq with APR software. Call up Precision Motorworks in Santa Clara, CA if you don't believe me, they're the ones that did it. And the 36mpg was from the car's real-time MPG display on the way home.
Sorry to burst your bubble with facts and all that. But hey, maybe you can jump in someone else's conversation to make yourself feel better.
@luminaeus Its not that i don't believe u about the hp and tq. But you're absolutely NOT getting 36 mpg WITH all that power. Maybe 36 mpg going down a hill or over a short time interval but you don't get that on average. And that is a fact!
And yes, I will jump in anyones conversation if i smell bullshit, just because i feel like it.
36 mpg going 55mph on flat roads without wind isn't that hard to get. If the cam profiles and bore stay the same there's no reason why fuel efficiency would go down.
@luminaeus IF your car was stock, going 55 on a flat, non windy road ALL the time then yes, i believe you could get that gas mileage. But in that same scenario i get 40-42 mpg.
If you tune your car for performance, 99% of the time your mpg automatically go down. The only time it wont is if you do weight reduction or minimize air resistance. What that software did is tell the ecu to allow more gas molecules in and mix with more oxygen to create bigger explosions.
You can run 400+ horsepower on a 2.0 TSI engine (intake/exhaust/big turbo) and get the same gas mileage as stock. Why? Because you're not changing anything INSIDE the engine. The bore is the same. The injectors are the same. The cam profiles are the same. The valve timing is the same.
The only time the tuned GTI will use more fuel than stock is when it is drawing in more air than stock tune is capable of. Stock is limited to 7.5 psi of boost. The tunes allow 21 psi.
How about you read the comment dipshit? How many times do I have to explain this? When you don't change the engine internals, there's no need for the engine to burn excess gasoline.
@luminaeus Yes there is! Especially when you run a fucking turbo! Your car runs on gas+oxygen, the more of it you collect in each cylinder, the more power per cylinder. You don't need to change any engine internals to get more gas+air in each cylinder. And the gas/oxygen ratio stays pretty much the same so if you go from 7.5 psi to 21 then your gas consumption rises proportionally. And your fuel injectors are probably capable of handling that much gas flow, so you don't need to change them.
Sickest engine i seen ever made idk why ppl think honda is such a shitty motor company i love my civic specially the VTEC crossover in 2nd and 3rd gear JDM as fuckk !! HONDA FTW !!!
@datspic787 its usually not the engines that people dont like, its more like civics with fart cannons,body kits and big wings. and vtec is nothin special, lots of cars have it nowadays, for example mitsubishi has MIVEC instead of VTEC.
@juechter yeah you right i own a 2000 civic i like it plain stock besides engine mods but honda has been using Vtec since late 80's there are alot out there like it but honda is original
Only 800 Hp a good old chevy big block V8 that is about a eight the cost of that eninge cam make a 1000HP off NOS. and be rather streetable against this RPM bandit.. With a ton of torque on hand and gobbs of HP across the board starting with 400HP at a mere 2200RPM. This Honda with respect has to start Hp at 35000 rpm but again meant for the track.
@dunn98632 honestly nobody cares about your piece of shit chevy. this thing is an engineering marvel. your chevy would blow up at 6500rpm and this thing can get 18,000rpms and 800hp with a tiny 3.0l engine.
@paladain55 How many rpms an engine can turn is not what makes it a good or bad engine, it's how well it fits the application. An F1 engine would suck for the street, were a big block chevy would love being lugged at 1500 rpm all day in a 4000lb street car. Try that with an F1 engine that doesn't really start making power until around 12-14,000rpm.
On the other hand, a big block chevy would get it ass handed to it in an F1 car vs other F1 cars. All that torque would be useless in a 1000lb car.
@antonyr123 A F1 engine is not designed to cruise around all day at 10,000rpm, well below it's powerband. It would have a hard enough time just getting a typical street car rolling unless it had lots and lots of low gears. In that case I hope you like shifting 15 times from one stop light to the next.
F1 engines are RACING engines totally impractical for the street. Keep them on the racetrack were they belong.
@onedopemini If a honda had one of these in his car and it just beat something with a V8 I think this would be how it would go.
V8 Guy: um... it seriously took you a $500,000, 10 cylinder, 18,000rpm racing engine to beat my V8? (shakes head) lots of luck finding somebody to work on a F1 engine.
@lHustonProductionsl That Honda you guys are talking about probably has a flat plane crank in it (like 2 four cylinders stuck together) that would explain why it's small and sounds like a V6. To me they sound like 2 fours running at the same time. Flat plane V8's are often rev happy and peaky but not torquey. Great for a light sports car.
@lHustonProductionsl Personally I'm a rotary fan, but I figure you might want to have your facts straight and realize Honda is actually working on 'audience testing' the HSV, a Honda V8 powered supercar. Naturally aspirated 3.4 litres making around 500 HP. Not bad for rice?
@lHustonProductionsl You are right. Japanese cars are more expensive due to the import b.s. on top of that Japan would only produce limited amounts like the CIVIC RR. only 500 of those were made. now that American auto industries are also conforming to consumer demands of better gas mileage, it will become even harder for Japanese car makers to try and use that reason for choosing their brand over an American one... sometimes these money hungry bastards don't take capitalize on opportunities.
Lol, power of honda. Europeans have been building v10's and all types of other powerful engines in their sports cars. Much less all their F1 cars that they make.
@LUGO27sehs Torque is not the"force of the transmission." Engines produce torque. Transmissions only manage the available torque of a given engine. They both multiply torque and change output speed depending on the needs of the vehicle. It all comes back to the engine, it's the source. If you have an engine that produces a poor torque curve for its application a transmission can only compensate so much.
if honda made a v-8 and put it in a car with rear wheel drive id be all over that like fat kid on cake, honda knows what there doing when it comes to performance. no doubt about it
Quit complaining about horsepower !!! its all about torque if you know about racing anything . All horsepower is (Torque x RPM devided by 5252) As they saying goes horsepower sells engines and torque wins races simple as that, and there are american engines out ther that are 702 cubic inches that put out 3000 fpt so calm down with the american engines suck because horsepower has never won a race but torque my friend will always . If this is not logical,you suffer from cranial rectal insertion !!
@BIHxJDMxSUPRA When building anything for racing you account for all the factors like trans gearing, stall converter when racing with automatic transmissions ,differentials, which all multiply torque at the begining ganted that there is a mechanical loss but most important is torque with good rpm even when peak torque is at 3500 rpm with the right gearing and all factors included, torque , rpm , gearing , GVW , arodynamic efficiency and mechanical efficiency any race can be won :)
@MRMINER78 look torque isnt that important the titan supra is 1500whp+ with about 1000 ft tq at most and it runs mid 7 street legal.. with ur N/A v8's torque is important
@BIHxJDMxSUPRA the 1st 1/8 mile is where a car does 80% of it's acceleration in a drag race. The only real difference between a car built to accelerate off the bottom (3500 to 7500+) like a drag car or a car built for top end speed is were in the rpm range it makes most of it's torque. Torque is more than important, it's critical. Engines produce torque, when you say horsepower you really mean torque at speed doing work. No torque, no speed, no work, no fun. lol
@BIHxJDMxSUPRA No offense, but you could not be more wrong. "From a roll" torque is just as important. Suppose we have identical cars with identical peak HP. But say my car has a flatter torque curve (or more average torque) even though our top speed is very close to the same, my car will reach it first from a roll or not because my car has more "push" over a wider rpm range than your car. That's the whole point to things like vtec, etc, it's to get a flatter torque curve out of a given peak HP.
@Warblade118 ok but im talking about like a big turbod supra vs like a supercharged v8 they might have lots of torque but its all about the HP and turbos are best for top end thats all that really matters with a roll
@BIHxJDMxSUPRA You still don't seem to realize torque is part of horsepower. A car with lots of HP is just a car that's torque curve peaks higher in the rpm range. It's all about torque at a given rpm, high or low.
The difference between a supercharged V8 at 1500HP and a turbocharged I6 at 1500HP is, once again, the torque curve. The V8 will have a better torque curve than the I6 and in identical cars the V8 will out accelerate the I6, even though both cars have the same top speed.
@MRMINER78 Torque will win (boring) dragraces, but HP will win circuit races. Lets see u put out 3000fpt put to the ground (in your most likely very heavy car then) in a sharp corner, its "useless".
You are absolutely right when it comes to dragracing tough, where HP is "useless" :)
@phtmexplo You are a retard. Just because your car has high torque, doesn't mean its a useless circuit car. In fact, high horsepower does help in drag racing. A lot of high torque motors are light compared to l4 motors, which most produce minimal amounts of torque. It's not always a heavier car with those motors in them. But thanks for your clarification with false statements.
@phtmexplo HP wins a drag race because in order to move the car you need 2 things. Torque AND rpm. Engines generate torque. But because an engine can't produce torque at 0 rpm we also need rpm. What is torque and rpm when you put them together? We call that Horsepower! So you do in fact need HP to win a drag race. Torque is the force, rpm is the speed, HP is how we measure the two working together to propel a car.
@Warblade118 U are changing my words ... I am saying MAX torque/hp ... Let me just say this and this will be my last comment, maybe u understand me now :
ON TOP-FUEL DRAGSTERS (NR1 IN DRAG RACING I THINK) THEY ONLY USE THE RPM AT MAX TORQUE, NOT THE RPM AT MAX HP BECAUSE ITS USELESS.
@phtmexplo I really hope that is your last comment because you have no idea what your talking about.
First off I think you meant NHRA drag racing. Second of all if they only reved those engine to max torque they'd only rev about 4500-5000rpm. But they don't, they rev them to about peak HP which is around 8000rpm. No one shifts a car at peak torque, they shit around peak HP.
When u want to dragrace, u shift to next gear where the max torque is going to be. Let me clear that with an example : I am driving a car that when shifts at 7000 > it drops back (next gear) at 5000. The max torque of this car is at 5000. When u shift this same car at 8000 (u have more HP but less torque then) > u ARE going slower !!!
If u say this example isnt true > u dont know how cars work ... sorry.
@phtmexplo That depends entirely on the HP and torque curve. If your car stops making HP at 7000rpm and you shift it at 8000rpm you are over-reving the engine and not fully utilizing the HP and torque curve of the engine.
But that's not what you said before, you said: "THEY ONLY USE THE RPM AT MAX TORQUE, NOT THE RPM AT MAX HP"
You just contradicted yourself with this new comment. Sorry.
@Warblade118 But it all comes down to transmission ofc, and if u are dragracing u would have a transmission that when u shift at 8000 > it will drop back to 5000 (using example) wich will be the fastest of all.
@phtmexplo yes there is a huge difference in the building process for a street racing car vs a drag racing car and thats the beauty of building a car to do what you want. racing is a very versitile sport and to each his own and race on weather it be 1/4 mile, street race, mud racing and so on . keep melting them tires off and to keep racing on many more generations spread the fun and be safe doin it .
Unfortunately the ever spiraling costs in F1 combined with the economic recession meant auto manafacturers like Honda, BMW, Toyota and Ford saw no point in being involved any more. Audi (VW) isn't the slightest interested and are dominating in endurance racing, and neither is Porsche.
@FatRedneckTerrorist That wasn't GM, moron. That was an auto tech school and that's 140HP/L out of a 2 valve pushrod V8. That's pretty freaking good for any engine. You'd have to make about 300HP out of a K20 all motor to match that ( and it's doable) and K20's are DOHC 4V/Cly.
But I guess you have nothing intelligent to say so maybe we should just leave it at that?
@FatRedneckTerrorist SAM pulled 1000HP all motor out of a 7.1 L LSX. No turbos, no variable valve crap, no DOHC 4 valves/cylinder. No huge R&D budget. Just pushrods, a big motor, and a whole lot of rpm. Car runs 8's. So... yeah, you have no idea what you're talking about.
I can't even say the word 300 that quick
acere23 1 week ago
300 times per second?
WoW.
CaptainOmar 2 weeks ago in playlist honda
it would be pretty cool if honda made small 4 cyl engines that sounded this awesome for civics.
sawyerbobby 4 weeks ago
Damn look at that manifold!!
prostreet24 1 month ago
i wonder what those pussy american v8s think of this.
Hondaboyforlife1 1 month ago
rc car engines do about 30k
bigdorkification 1 month ago
yeah? my 50cc 2 stroke scooter revs to 17,000 RPM! :3
furmaster212 1 month ago
@furmaster212 thats also a 2 stroke in a smaller engine. the pistons in this are moving faster than in your scooter because they have to travel further in the cylinder, longer stroke.
REWej8 3 weeks ago
Honda should make a V10 like this one for the NSX.
elr456 2 months ago
VTEC JUST KICKED IN YOOOOOO
Mobius0487 2 months ago
i would love to drop one of these into a s2k...
lethal1 2 months ago
@lethal1 or my 98 Civic hatch. Then I could laugh at anything ! lolz
liberalinthedesertaz 1 month ago
silly ricers...
crappyMCcrapperson 2 months ago
Wow wat n engine revving up to 18000 rpm damn I want this motor lol
MRSyiang 2 months ago
This engine with VTEC xDDD lmfao I need this for my accord :P
Wickit96 2 months ago
i wonder if this would fit in a civic.
blood117 2 months ago
I know wat I want for Xmas now..
SuperSal559 2 months ago
Honda, y u no make supercar?
jeliigirado 2 months ago
Fuck vtec give me this !!!! Haha
juanito5641234 2 months ago
Oh my jesus the exhaust pipes are glowing red hot. .
ryangarris 2 months ago
my prelude needs a rear wheel conversion and this motor.... i will never be late to work
HexagramMan 2 months ago
fukk i finally learned how the natural bakfire is made lol
Entes2564 2 months ago
So I guess my real question is where can i pick one of these up and shove it in my s2k?
RSixxer1 3 months ago
Just one thing I wana know, does it have VTEC?
vichimself69 3 months ago
@vichimself69 Nope
JezzaB83 3 months ago
Every time you change gears... I skeet just a little bit.
iCHARRLZ 3 months ago
F1FTW
iAmJonJCP 3 months ago
this engine pls in my s2000!!!!!
DonnieDarko20111 3 months ago
@abuna okay the? Yeap your an asian twink. I thought you would at least fight back. Dont call anyone a cunt until you get some.
Thebubblerman 3 months ago
WHERE CAN I BUY A HONDA V10
heymynameistyler 3 months ago
@heymynameistyler formula one... good luck.
its4estpplz 3 months ago
to me honda is the greatest engine company in the world. they have made these motors since the 60's (obviously not the exact same ones) and there has never been car that has dropped out of a race because of an engine failure. even in there production vehicles the engines are simply amazing.
REWej8 4 months ago
18,000 RPM !!!
archon808 4 months ago
wtf???
boom102889 4 months ago
300 times a second, i cant even fathom what that looks like or even begin to understand how it doesn't blow out the top of the engine, we have come so far in technology
jayhawk184 4 months ago 15
@jayhawk184 Correction. HONDA has come so far in technology.
shadowfreak22 3 months ago in playlist Favorite videos 3
@shadowfreak22 i understand your a honda fan buddy but im just pointing out the basics
jayhawk184 3 months ago
@jayhawk184 revolutionary engineering and advances in material production are pushing EVERYTHING to new limits.
GodlessMartyr666 2 months ago
@abuna you implied it you dumb son of a bitch.
Thebubblerman 4 months ago
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abunaiN1 4 months ago
@abunaiN1 your an idiot, f1 cars dont have vtec
H20MarkVIII 4 months ago
@H20MarkVIII
and you have no balls come infront of me and say that ....
i didnt said they use vtec in F1 stupid cunt
abunaiN1 4 months ago
@abunaiN1 your probably another little asian twink... You said "vtec power" which therefore implies that you think this video has a vtec engine in.
H20MarkVIII 4 months ago
@H20MarkVIII ok then
abunaiN1 4 months ago
loooove that sound, this kinda honda gets mad respect
51dumbdumb 4 months ago 8
@51dumbdumb kinda? It gets Honda mad respect from car companies all over the world.
TheDM75 2 months ago
@TheDM75 I understand why you replied like you did but trust me I was being sarcastic, which is hard to see when you can only read words. I know Honda as an amazing racing team and all the haters out there are always gonna hate but you can't knock results. I aint ever gonna buy a Honda, they just don't do it for me but thats just my OPINION, everyone is entitled! Peace and Love!
51dumbdumb 2 months ago
@51dumbdumb U said u loved the sound, i dont see any "sarcasm" in there, there's nothing to read other than words because i'm on the Internet. But, you're right, it's your opinion and my opinion.
TheDM75 2 months ago
300 times per second? now talk about torchure on the pistons (among other vital engine parts)
zoomping1 4 months ago
I want one for my ej2 civic lol
REWej8 4 months ago
where can i get me one of these?
guitarkid002 5 months ago
i would put that engine in my Smartcar!
SgtPickledic 5 months ago
get that in my car
josesias 5 months ago
lets see someone swap THAT in a civic :P
MetalheadEchidna 5 months ago
@MetalheadEchidna Thing is you could actually put one of those in an NSX or an S2000. You'd have to use other components from the F1 car just so the car can cope. Things like the gearbox, suspension etc. Not to mention all the structural modifications.
blainyrules 5 months ago
i haz awkward boner
acidmatar 5 months ago
I want this for my s2k lol, down tuned of course but still, that sound in a s2k would make people's heads turn like crazy!
bastec666 5 months ago
BEST CAR TO PUT THIS IN AND I DNT CARE WAT YALL SAY CUS ITS ME ILL PUT THIS INA 97 CIVIC SEDAN CONVERTED RITE HAND DRIVE
gamblerCriminal 6 months ago
@alexanderocks
Same here, but VTEC doesn't magically boost performance like all the Honda kids think it does, it just lets the engine run on a fuel-saving economy cam profile at low revs. When VTEC engages, you get a slightly sportier cam profile. Kids like it because the change happens instantly and they can feel the marginal torque increase.
When you're driving a V8, the last thing you want is a sudden increase in power when you're going around a corner. You'll spin out and kill someone.
luminaeus 6 months ago
@alexanderocks
Why the fuck would you put VTEC on a V8? VTEC doesn't add power at the top end, it simply removes power from the bottom end to make it more efficient.
luminaeus 6 months ago
@luminaeus VTEC does not "remove power from the bottom end" it does whatever you want it to. it's the ability to have 2 cam profiles, since different rpm's have different needs usually. yes honda has sometimes used what's called a "ecenomy" cam on the lower end. but generally speaking v-tec engines are know as having a very even torque curve compared to none vvt engines.
sausagenmuff 6 months ago
@sausagenmuff
It's economy tech and nothing more. VTEC engines have the least torque of all four cylinders... even less power than the shitty ones GM built in the late 80s.
On to reason two why VTEC in a V8 is a dumb idea: In a Civic, when VTEC kicks in, you get another 20 pound feet of torque or so. Going from 100 to 120 lb-ft of torque in a FWD econobox won't hurt your driving, but going from say 280 to 340 lb-ft in a RWD V8 will almost certainly kill you the first corner you go around.
luminaeus 6 months ago
@luminaeus "VTEC engines have the least torque of all four cylinders... even less power than the shitty ones GM built in the late 80s." care to prove that? a lot of people like to say honda engines have low torque, which is completely untrue. and as for your second comment, it all depends if you know how to drive or not. there is a reason ferrari's rev to 10 grand, and f1 cars rev to 18. but there not for everyone. if you want your soccer mom v8 that's fine,but don't put down others
sausagenmuff 6 months ago
Hmmm......anybody out there crazy enough to find an S800 in need of an engine upgrade? ;)
vitameat 6 months ago
i wanna be able to get my car above 12k rpm...
THEvampgenocide 6 months ago
I wish I could put this on a crx
zcrew72 6 months ago
this should be in an NSX
71DatsunZ 6 months ago
I would put one in an NSX just for the lols.
blainyrules 6 months ago
Sounds so exotic unlike that v8 rumble shit.
russianfrederation 6 months ago
@russianfrederation
You don't like the sound of a V8? Hand over your shriveled balls and get a sex change already, you're not fit to be a man.
luminaeus 6 months ago
@luminaeus @luminaeus hahaha! LMAO. So you think making cutouts and straight piping a leaky old American v8 is manly. How old are you? When I listen to the sound of an American v8 I can hear how badly the valve timing and spark is setup and unbalanced and how outdated the under cam technology is. This is good engineering and Honda knows what they are doing.
russianfrederation 6 months ago
@russianfrederation
Wow, you can tell the difference between a new engine and a 50 year old engine?
Drive a riced out Civic for 50+ years, then you can talk shit about old engines.
luminaeus 6 months ago
@luminaeus I'm not talking shit on old engines. And the 50 year old engines back in the day have the same technology found in engines made in the 21st century for example like gm still using push rods that's pathetic. Americans have poor technology.
russianfrederation 6 months ago
@russianfrederation
Herpy derpy durrr... there's an advantage to pushrods - allows for massive displacement without a massively tall engine. Last time I checked the pushrod Corvette was kicking the asses of sports cars costing several times more... in speed AND gas mileage.
Hooray, Honda has a cool V-10 engine that you'll never get to use.... Maybe you just have your panties in a wad because American car makers actually let you buy cars with their best engines in them?
luminaeus 6 months ago
@luminaeus If they wanted to they can make powerful cars for everyone but they aren't as stupid as GM. This is a formula 1 engine ok, something America can't compete with. GM spends so much money on developing and research. They contribute nothing. Honda is a green company they care for the future. They have made successful hydrogen fuel cell cars used already. Sooner or later we will run out of petro. What does America have to contribute? A POS Chevy Volt haha! Its already in trouble.
russianfrederation 6 months ago
@russianfrederation
Honda made an engine they can't sell to consumers... that makes them a good company? Sounds like a waste of money to me, which is the exact reason most automakers don't bother with F1.
Honda is a green company? Oooh, VTEC, that'll save the world. Or what, the new Insight that's heavier, slower, and less efficient than the old Insight? Going backwards is progress?
As for the Volt, it's the only hybrid that's capable of driving full speed on electric only.
luminaeus 6 months ago
Which doesn't work. Hear of the Honda FCX clarity. That's the most reliable and solution. GM almost went bankrupt and uses taxpayers money pathetic.. Honda does a good job and can afford to play the f1 game.
russianfrederation 6 months ago
@russianfrederation
Hooray, hydrogen! Except that in practice, when you take the entire process into consideration, hydrogen is one of the LEAST efficient methods of powering a vehicle! Score another 'win' for Honda.
Meanwhile, GM has invested mountains of cash into battery research, development, and production.
You know, instead of making yourself look like an ignorant fucktard, you could have researched this information in advance.
luminaeus 6 months ago
@luminaeus How is it least efficient? You get the same mileage as a regular gasoline powered vehicle. Sure its hard to to produce but not harder then digging for oil especially in the ocean. That will create more jobs. Electricity powered cars take forever to charge and lithium batteries damage the enviorment.
russianfrederation 6 months ago
@russianfrederation
Hydrogen is nifty in that you can get close to 70mpg with it, and at the moment it costs about as much as gasoline. However; in terms of total electricity used, electricity to hydrogen back to electricity is less efficient than simply charging a battery directly. Also, hydrogen requires massive infrastructure investment... but everyone already has power outlets.
And even if hydrogen is in the future, the gas generator in the Chevy Volt can easily be swapped for a fuel cell.
luminaeus 6 months ago
@luminaeus Hey dumbass, i drive a vtec civic and i get 36 mpg... that beats most cars by a huge margin.
cdog9991 5 months ago
@cdog9991
I drive a tuned Golf GTI with twice the horsepower and three times the torque and get the same miles per gallon as your slow ass Civic. Who's the dumbass now? LOL.
luminaeus 5 months ago
@luminaeus You sir, you still are the dumbass because you cannot comprehend my simple, coherent sentence.
The subject was about honda & vtec being/not being fuel efficient and you brought up your GTI. WTF does your GTI have to do with vtec?
And whats wrong with the civic being slow? After all its supposed to be an economical car, hence a small engine.
And no, u don't get 36 mpg at 252hp and 321flb. Why do you need that much power anyway if you want to save the world? Are you that fat of an ass?
cdog9991 5 months ago
@cdog9991
Hey, you're the dumbass responding to someone else's conversation without reading it first. Why do I need that much power? Because it's fun. Why does it still get 36mpg? Because it's a modern direct injected engine. Welcome to the future noob.
luminaeus 5 months ago
@luminaeus I only responded to your "Oooh, VTEC, that'll save the world..." bullshit. I don't need to read anything else. Jesus kid, you got no logic.
And you're a hypocrite if you want to "save the world" but then you tune your car to supposedly 200 hp and 300 flb.
And NO, you really don't get 36 mpg with that much power. So stop bullshitting around, nobody believes you for 1 second and you look like a complete ass.
cdog9991 5 months ago
@cdog9991
I didn't tune the car to 200hp. It comes stock with 200hp 207tq. I tuned it to 253hp and 303tq with APR software. Call up Precision Motorworks in Santa Clara, CA if you don't believe me, they're the ones that did it. And the 36mpg was from the car's real-time MPG display on the way home.
Sorry to burst your bubble with facts and all that. But hey, maybe you can jump in someone else's conversation to make yourself feel better.
luminaeus 5 months ago
@luminaeus Its not that i don't believe u about the hp and tq. But you're absolutely NOT getting 36 mpg WITH all that power. Maybe 36 mpg going down a hill or over a short time interval but you don't get that on average. And that is a fact!
And yes, I will jump in anyones conversation if i smell bullshit, just because i feel like it.
cdog9991 5 months ago
@cdog9991
36 mpg going 55mph on flat roads without wind isn't that hard to get. If the cam profiles and bore stay the same there's no reason why fuel efficiency would go down.
luminaeus 5 months ago
@luminaeus IF your car was stock, going 55 on a flat, non windy road ALL the time then yes, i believe you could get that gas mileage. But in that same scenario i get 40-42 mpg.
If you tune your car for performance, 99% of the time your mpg automatically go down. The only time it wont is if you do weight reduction or minimize air resistance. What that software did is tell the ecu to allow more gas molecules in and mix with more oxygen to create bigger explosions.
More gas in => less mpg
cdog9991 5 months ago
@cdog9991
You can run 400+ horsepower on a 2.0 TSI engine (intake/exhaust/big turbo) and get the same gas mileage as stock. Why? Because you're not changing anything INSIDE the engine. The bore is the same. The injectors are the same. The cam profiles are the same. The valve timing is the same.
The only time the tuned GTI will use more fuel than stock is when it is drawing in more air than stock tune is capable of. Stock is limited to 7.5 psi of boost. The tunes allow 21 psi.
luminaeus 5 months ago
@luminaeus "You can run 400+ horsepower on a 2.0 TSI engine (intake/exhaust/big turbo) and get the same gas mileage as stock"
lmao. Please show us how you can gain an extra 200hp and still maintain the stock 33 mpg, otherwise no one will take you seriously.
cdog9991 5 months ago
@cdog9991
How about you read the comment dipshit? How many times do I have to explain this? When you don't change the engine internals, there's no need for the engine to burn excess gasoline.
luminaeus 5 months ago
@luminaeus Yes there is! Especially when you run a fucking turbo! Your car runs on gas+oxygen, the more of it you collect in each cylinder, the more power per cylinder. You don't need to change any engine internals to get more gas+air in each cylinder. And the gas/oxygen ratio stays pretty much the same so if you go from 7.5 psi to 21 then your gas consumption rises proportionally. And your fuel injectors are probably capable of handling that much gas flow, so you don't need to change them.
cdog9991 5 months ago
@cdog9991 And I'm still waiting to hear how you got 200hp with zero gas consumption.
cdog9991 5 months ago
@cdog9991
Holy crap you're an idiot. Turbos don't push 21psi of boost when you're DRIVING NORMALLY DOWN THE HIGHWAY.
The only time my car produces more boost pressure than stock is during WIDE OPEN THROTTLE. Is WOT normal driving?
luminaeus 5 months ago
@luminaeus for me yes
Leafsrule016 5 months ago
Sickest engine i seen ever made idk why ppl think honda is such a shitty motor company i love my civic specially the VTEC crossover in 2nd and 3rd gear JDM as fuckk !! HONDA FTW !!!
datspic787 6 months ago
@datspic787 its usually not the engines that people dont like, its more like civics with fart cannons,body kits and big wings. and vtec is nothin special, lots of cars have it nowadays, for example mitsubishi has MIVEC instead of VTEC.
juechter 6 months ago
@juechter yeah you right i own a 2000 civic i like it plain stock besides engine mods but honda has been using Vtec since late 80's there are alot out there like it but honda is original
datspic787 6 months ago
drop one in a civic
Turkeysitar 6 months ago
I wonder if they coat their headers?
beekyosuke 6 months ago
Dear Santa,...
rushfan992 7 months ago
wow!
Stormer94 7 months ago
Gas guzzler
akon10136 7 months ago
If only I could drop that baby in my hatchback :)
stankerson 7 months ago
πω πω τρελα τι μπορεί να κάνει αυτή η μηχανή μεσα σ ενα CRX Del Sol ;-)))
BOURAS83 7 months ago
my jaw was dropped the entire video...
junkieSpoon 7 months ago
This engine should have been standard in the S2000.
mikeb1444 7 months ago
Only 800 Hp a good old chevy big block V8 that is about a eight the cost of that eninge cam make a 1000HP off NOS. and be rather streetable against this RPM bandit.. With a ton of torque on hand and gobbs of HP across the board starting with 400HP at a mere 2200RPM. This Honda with respect has to start Hp at 35000 rpm but again meant for the track.
dunn98632 7 months ago
@dunn98632 honestly nobody cares about your piece of shit chevy. this thing is an engineering marvel. your chevy would blow up at 6500rpm and this thing can get 18,000rpms and 800hp with a tiny 3.0l engine.
paladain55 7 months ago
@paladain55 How many rpms an engine can turn is not what makes it a good or bad engine, it's how well it fits the application. An F1 engine would suck for the street, were a big block chevy would love being lugged at 1500 rpm all day in a 4000lb street car. Try that with an F1 engine that doesn't really start making power until around 12-14,000rpm.
On the other hand, a big block chevy would get it ass handed to it in an F1 car vs other F1 cars. All that torque would be useless in a 1000lb car.
Warblade118 7 months ago
@Warblade118 yeah i was jk with ya. i love crusin around in a 5.7, rpms down like 1200-1500. its soo deep
paladain55 7 months ago
@Warblade118 i disagree. if a engine can rev to 18k rpm.. u would cruse around at 10k all day and make civic guys mad :P lol
antonyr123 5 months ago
@antonyr123 A F1 engine is not designed to cruise around all day at 10,000rpm, well below it's powerband. It would have a hard enough time just getting a typical street car rolling unless it had lots and lots of low gears. In that case I hope you like shifting 15 times from one stop light to the next.
F1 engines are RACING engines totally impractical for the street. Keep them on the racetrack were they belong.
Warblade118 5 months ago
@paladain55 I'd like to see it move 4 tons of steel. Should be good for a laugh.
reddog22000 7 months ago
@reddog22000 hell id make a street legal sand rail out of that engine. wow that would be really crazy
paladain55 7 months ago
she is a bit slower than jet :-(
vikshoh 7 months ago
i have a raging chubbbbby!!
mbcyclery 7 months ago
i wonder what for poor exuse the v8 guys would use if i had this in a honda
onedopemini 7 months ago
@onedopemini If a honda had one of these in his car and it just beat something with a V8 I think this would be how it would go.
V8 Guy: um... it seriously took you a $500,000, 10 cylinder, 18,000rpm racing engine to beat my V8? (shakes head) lots of luck finding somebody to work on a F1 engine.
Need I say more? lol
Warblade118 7 months ago 6
300 times up and down in a second? wtf....how...i cant even wrap my head around that
ghillieman24 8 months ago
@lHustonProductionsl That Honda you guys are talking about probably has a flat plane crank in it (like 2 four cylinders stuck together) that would explain why it's small and sounds like a V6. To me they sound like 2 fours running at the same time. Flat plane V8's are often rev happy and peaky but not torquey. Great for a light sports car.
I wonder what it'll end up costing?
Warblade118 8 months ago
@lHustonProductionsl Yeah, I'm curious about that as well, sounds more like a V6 than a V8. Will be interesting to see when it comes out.
Kelavarus 8 months ago
@lHustonProductionsl Personally I'm a rotary fan, but I figure you might want to have your facts straight and realize Honda is actually working on 'audience testing' the HSV, a Honda V8 powered supercar. Naturally aspirated 3.4 litres making around 500 HP. Not bad for rice?
Kelavarus 8 months ago
I need this for my EG hatch
JDMb18hatch 8 months ago 15
@JDMb18hatch put some wings on hatch with a V10 and you'll have a mini-jet. lol
shinichiro777 6 months ago
@lHustonProductionsl You are right. Japanese cars are more expensive due to the import b.s. on top of that Japan would only produce limited amounts like the CIVIC RR. only 500 of those were made. now that American auto industries are also conforming to consumer demands of better gas mileage, it will become even harder for Japanese car makers to try and use that reason for choosing their brand over an American one... sometimes these money hungry bastards don't take capitalize on opportunities.
deckan315 8 months ago
@lHustonProductionsl its true im a ford 302 small block fan
jxp90 8 months ago
Lol, power of honda. Europeans have been building v10's and all types of other powerful engines in their sports cars. Much less all their F1 cars that they make.
robbie1490 8 months ago
torque is for heavy machenery not for a race car!!
LUGO27sehs 8 months ago
@LUGO27sehs A race car wouldn't move without torque. Torque is the critical force behind HP that makes it all happen.
Warblade118 8 months ago
@Warblade118 your right , but what i trying to say is that HP is the force of the engine and torque is the force of the transmission
LUGO27sehs 7 months ago
@LUGO27sehs Torque is not the"force of the transmission." Engines produce torque. Transmissions only manage the available torque of a given engine. They both multiply torque and change output speed depending on the needs of the vehicle. It all comes back to the engine, it's the source. If you have an engine that produces a poor torque curve for its application a transmission can only compensate so much.
Warblade118 7 months ago
@Warblade118 how did you learn all that , your a mechanic or something???
LUGO27sehs 7 months ago
@LUGO27sehs ...or something, lol
I learned if from books, a little from school. But probably mostly from working on cars and racing.
Warblade118 7 months ago
Power of Honda
166614 8 months ago
if honda made a v-8 and put it in a car with rear wheel drive id be all over that like fat kid on cake, honda knows what there doing when it comes to performance. no doubt about it
jxp90 8 months ago 23
@jxp90 psh not anymore..
BxBaNgEr828 6 months ago
Now, lets see this in a civic, if that's even civicly possible...
bpl0807 8 months ago
vtec just kicked in yo?
Aightnigguh8D 9 months ago
Quit complaining about horsepower !!! its all about torque if you know about racing anything . All horsepower is (Torque x RPM devided by 5252) As they saying goes horsepower sells engines and torque wins races simple as that, and there are american engines out ther that are 702 cubic inches that put out 3000 fpt so calm down with the american engines suck because horsepower has never won a race but torque my friend will always . If this is not logical,you suffer from cranial rectal insertion !!
MRMINER78 9 months ago
@MRMINER78 torque might win u a 1/8 mile but not much else
BIHxJDMxSUPRA 9 months ago
@BIHxJDMxSUPRA When building anything for racing you account for all the factors like trans gearing, stall converter when racing with automatic transmissions ,differentials, which all multiply torque at the begining ganted that there is a mechanical loss but most important is torque with good rpm even when peak torque is at 3500 rpm with the right gearing and all factors included, torque , rpm , gearing , GVW , arodynamic efficiency and mechanical efficiency any race can be won :)
MRMINER78 9 months ago
@MRMINER78 look torque isnt that important the titan supra is 1500whp+ with about 1000 ft tq at most and it runs mid 7 street legal.. with ur N/A v8's torque is important
BIHxJDMxSUPRA 9 months ago
@BIHxJDMxSUPRA the 1st 1/8 mile is where a car does 80% of it's acceleration in a drag race. The only real difference between a car built to accelerate off the bottom (3500 to 7500+) like a drag car or a car built for top end speed is were in the rpm range it makes most of it's torque. Torque is more than important, it's critical. Engines produce torque, when you say horsepower you really mean torque at speed doing work. No torque, no speed, no work, no fun. lol
Warblade118 8 months ago
@Warblade118 torque is only important in drag now from a roll its a whole different story
BIHxJDMxSUPRA 8 months ago
@BIHxJDMxSUPRA No offense, but you could not be more wrong. "From a roll" torque is just as important. Suppose we have identical cars with identical peak HP. But say my car has a flatter torque curve (or more average torque) even though our top speed is very close to the same, my car will reach it first from a roll or not because my car has more "push" over a wider rpm range than your car. That's the whole point to things like vtec, etc, it's to get a flatter torque curve out of a given peak HP.
Warblade118 8 months ago
@Warblade118 ok but im talking about like a big turbod supra vs like a supercharged v8 they might have lots of torque but its all about the HP and turbos are best for top end thats all that really matters with a roll
BIHxJDMxSUPRA 8 months ago
@BIHxJDMxSUPRA You still don't seem to realize torque is part of horsepower. A car with lots of HP is just a car that's torque curve peaks higher in the rpm range. It's all about torque at a given rpm, high or low.
The difference between a supercharged V8 at 1500HP and a turbocharged I6 at 1500HP is, once again, the torque curve. The V8 will have a better torque curve than the I6 and in identical cars the V8 will out accelerate the I6, even though both cars have the same top speed.
Warblade118 8 months ago
@MRMINER78 Torque will win (boring) dragraces, but HP will win circuit races. Lets see u put out 3000fpt put to the ground (in your most likely very heavy car then) in a sharp corner, its "useless".
You are absolutely right when it comes to dragracing tough, where HP is "useless" :)
phtmexplo 7 months ago
@phtmexplo i think you got that mixed....But I fail to see your logic in this argument.
g0ferboy 6 months ago
@g0ferboy let me say it simpler : in dragraces u dont need HP (so no high rpms), only "rpm at max torque" (since HP = torque x rpm : 5252)
hmm, that wasnt really simple sorry lol.
phtmexplo 6 months ago
@phtmexplo You are a retard. Just because your car has high torque, doesn't mean its a useless circuit car. In fact, high horsepower does help in drag racing. A lot of high torque motors are light compared to l4 motors, which most produce minimal amounts of torque. It's not always a heavier car with those motors in them. But thanks for your clarification with false statements.
g0ferboy 6 months ago
@g0ferboy
1. Most likely when a car has high torque, and it can rev > it has high HP also.
2. How does HP win a dragrace? Drag is all about torque !
3. I meant that weight is much more important in circuit races then drag races.
4. These statements arent false, SIR !
phtmexplo 6 months ago
@phtmexplo HP wins a drag race because in order to move the car you need 2 things. Torque AND rpm. Engines generate torque. But because an engine can't produce torque at 0 rpm we also need rpm. What is torque and rpm when you put them together? We call that Horsepower! So you do in fact need HP to win a drag race. Torque is the force, rpm is the speed, HP is how we measure the two working together to propel a car.
Warblade118 6 months ago
@Warblade118 U are changing my words ... I am saying MAX torque/hp ... Let me just say this and this will be my last comment, maybe u understand me now :
ON TOP-FUEL DRAGSTERS (NR1 IN DRAG RACING I THINK) THEY ONLY USE THE RPM AT MAX TORQUE, NOT THE RPM AT MAX HP BECAUSE ITS USELESS.
phtmexplo 6 months ago
@phtmexplo I really hope that is your last comment because you have no idea what your talking about.
First off I think you meant NHRA drag racing. Second of all if they only reved those engine to max torque they'd only rev about 4500-5000rpm. But they don't, they rev them to about peak HP which is around 8000rpm. No one shifts a car at peak torque, they shit around peak HP.
Warblade118 6 months ago
@Warblade118 *...they shift them around peak HP.*
Warblade118 6 months ago
@Warblade118 U are so wrong lol :
When u want to dragrace, u shift to next gear where the max torque is going to be. Let me clear that with an example : I am driving a car that when shifts at 7000 > it drops back (next gear) at 5000. The max torque of this car is at 5000. When u shift this same car at 8000 (u have more HP but less torque then) > u ARE going slower !!!
If u say this example isnt true > u dont know how cars work ... sorry.
phtmexplo 6 months ago
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@phtmexplo That depends entirely on the HP and torque curve. If your car stops making HP at 7000rpm and you shift it at 8000rpm you are over-reving the engine and not fully utilizing the HP and torque curve of the engine.
But that's not what you said before, you said: "THEY ONLY USE THE RPM AT MAX TORQUE, NOT THE RPM AT MAX HP"
You just contradicted yourself with this new comment. Sorry.
Warblade118 6 months ago
@Warblade118 But it all comes down to transmission ofc, and if u are dragracing u would have a transmission that when u shift at 8000 > it will drop back to 5000 (using example) wich will be the fastest of all.
phtmexplo 6 months ago
@phtmexplo yes there is a huge difference in the building process for a street racing car vs a drag racing car and thats the beauty of building a car to do what you want. racing is a very versitile sport and to each his own and race on weather it be 1/4 mile, street race, mud racing and so on . keep melting them tires off and to keep racing on many more generations spread the fun and be safe doin it .
sory i suck at spelling everyone .
MRMINER78 6 months ago
@MRMINER78 Yep u are right, as long as we have fun and race "safe", keep racing :)
phtmexplo 6 months ago
They shouldn't have left F1. Bad timing!
thewakz 9 months ago
@thewakz
Unfortunately the ever spiraling costs in F1 combined with the economic recession meant auto manafacturers like Honda, BMW, Toyota and Ford saw no point in being involved any more. Audi (VW) isn't the slightest interested and are dominating in endurance racing, and neither is Porsche.
Metallicakicksbutt 9 months ago
@FatRedneckTerrorist That wasn't GM, moron. That was an auto tech school and that's 140HP/L out of a 2 valve pushrod V8. That's pretty freaking good for any engine. You'd have to make about 300HP out of a K20 all motor to match that ( and it's doable) and K20's are DOHC 4V/Cly.
But I guess you have nothing intelligent to say so maybe we should just leave it at that?
Warblade118 9 months ago
@FatRedneckTerrorist SAM pulled 1000HP all motor out of a 7.1 L LSX. No turbos, no variable valve crap, no DOHC 4 valves/cylinder. No huge R&D budget. Just pushrods, a big motor, and a whole lot of rpm. Car runs 8's. So... yeah, you have no idea what you're talking about.
Warblade118 9 months ago
Put that in a crx lol
mitchaelmckee1988 9 months ago
V-tec just kicked in yo! ;P
edjuh47 9 months ago