Many Chileans had to live their country. You asshole discriminate people...they are here because you fucked -up their country. Everything that you fucking eat, it's the blood of many people around the world. You are paying, you are going down...
That is why, I am so glad that you got a taste of your own medicine, September 11, 2011. And you don't even suffer not even 1/10 of what the Chileans did. Prior to the coup, you set-up and embargo, they were no food staples to be found. More than 3,000 were tortured and disappeared. Because of the embargo more than 45% of the Chilean population were under poverty. I just hope that I live long enough to see your descendant step on, go hungry, and pay for everything that your country has done.
It is important to mention that the average American Joe did not have anything to do with what the US government did at that time. I am personally one of the victims of the involvement of the US back 1973, my family lost everything, even members of our family, we leave in EU since 1975, it was hard to grew up in a country where you where the 2 class citizen. Despite this I don't feel any anger today towards the US, the opposite, I have very nice experience of the average American.
@quarterxchange As well as our boy FDR, Franklin Delano Roosevelt said that “The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it comes stronger than their democratic state itself. That, in its essence, is fascism - ownership of government by an individual, by a group,”
Unfortunately, that is the state we are in. The word of the people means next to nothing. It's whatever the corporate run government wants.
@quarterxchange As said by the great Fascit Benito Mussolini, who was Hitler's influence, “Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power."
So if you say that he doesn't know what he was talking about, you're just in denial.
Allende did not win by a majority vote, regardless, communism should never be brought to vote any more than murder, rape, or robbery. Allende then began to use taxes to fund socialist militas and then nationalized private property. The Chilean government determined Allende broke the law, yet he refused to step down. Pinochet went in, took him out and then boosted the Chilean economy.
USA and CIA had no right to back the COUP. Don't try to make it right 1000's of people TORTURED and KILLED for what? Now Chile is one of the MOST UNEQUAL countries in the world, plus is hard to wipe out the resentment, violence only creates more violence, now all of Chile's resources are up for grabs by private entities thanks to Pinochet policies the Chilean people does not own most of their resources, that's the way of the Empire DON'T PRETEND IS NOT SO.
@Nsight420 “make it right 1000 of people's TORTURED and KILLED for what? “
Dipshit, if you could read, you would find that I condoned the killings and torturing done by Pinochet and his henchmen. All I was saying was that Allende crippled Chiles economy and was on his way to turn Chile into a COMMUNIST SHITHOLE.
By the way, the Chilean Supreme Court revoked the legality to Allende s government in 1973.
@joaquinveyron Dipshit, Allende was democratically elected by the people, if the people was not happy with him they can elect a different president that's the beauty of the democracy, there's is no excuse to do what Pinochet & CIA did. He was a mass-murderer dictator . I am from Chile and I lived there most of the military regime. So I speak from 1st hand experience. You only speak out of your ass. I don't know what is the point you trying to make but you are not making any sense.
@longfootbuddy In 1972 the Chilean escudo had runaway inflation of 140%. The average Real GDP contracted between 1971 and 1973 at an annual rate of 5.6% ("negative growth"), and the government's fiscal deficit soared while foreign reserves declined. The combination of inflation and government-mandated price-fixing, together with the "disappearance" of basic commodities from supermarket shelves, led to the rise of black markets in rice, beans, sugar, and flour.
One of our most emberassing moments. All because the Russians had us scared shitless. There's no excuse for us to go around other countries deposing DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED leaders no matter what dumb ideology theyrepresent. Our government brainwashes our masses into thinking we're the "defender of free nations" yet we were involved with numerous Pinochet type situations. WE are responsible for all the suffering of the Chileans of that era and I'm ashamed of that.
@deedubbman This is what socialist programs lead to: Economic disasters, plummeting investment, capital flight, dropping productivity, increase of public spending, soaring inflation. In one word: Economy is destroyed.
In the light of other mass murderers and luntaics that exist in the left (Stalin, Mao, Che, Pol Pot, Castro) and given the fact that communism never solved a problem but only resulted in economic destruction, I can understand that they got rid of Allende.
@MrReco12 By early 1973, inflation was out of control. The crippled economy was further battered by prolonged and sometimes simultaneous strikes by physicians, teachers, students, truck owners, copper workers, and the small business class. On 26 May 1973, Chile's Supreme Court, unanimously denounced the Allende disruption of the legality of the nation. Although illegal under the Chilean constitution, the court supported and strengthened Pinochet's seizure of power"
@igregmart how so? pinochet was as affictive as stalin in killing his opposition, So how we save chile form stanlinist communism oh wait it was more like stanlinist capitolism lmao. fucking moron.
@LORDNAG1 his is what happened in Chile under Allende: Allende's socialist agenda crippled the country. Allende's public spending which was financed mostly by printing money. Many enterprises within the copper, coal, iron, nitrate, and steel industries were expropriated, nationalized, or subjected to state intervention. Capital flight, plummeting private investment, and withdrawal of bank deposits were the response to Allende's socialist program.
@joaquinveyron Is normal to go through this when you are having a revolution, he wanted to give the power back to the people of Chile but is not easy not to clash with the Empire so off course there was economic problems the whole system had to undergo major changes which were not going to favor the rich WHITE/EUROPEAN minority but the NATIVES poor people and the workers, USA and CIA had no right do the COUP. Don't try to make it right 1000 of people's TORTURED and KILLED for what?
I agree. As a matter of fact, it wasn’t the USA/CIA that carried out the coup, it was Pinochet. And putsches and coups in SAmerica in the 70s were a quite common phenomenon.
"I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world, no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men." Woodrow Wilson
Regardless of any opinions , for one country to create dissent among its people and use that as a basis for war or as some say sanctions to hide the fact is an evil motive.
Its clear the US has taken a lot from the pages from Nazi tactics and made them applicable to them.
Conflict should now at this age be conducted through diplomatic channels not at the expense of others.
The truckers' transport strike which brought the economy to its knees was begun in 71 and is now commonly accepted (see the film above) to have been initiated by the US.
He was breaking the hold of the latifundia - the indentured slavery on the landed estates.
Have you seen the film 'Missing' where the liberal US citizen is handed over to Pinochet's lot by fellow Americans for trying to expose the coup? He is tortured and murdered by them. A brilliant film based on a true story.
americans dont know that salvador allende was trying to make a bettrer country in chile while the us was trying to stop the cold war while you think ur country is better think of how much damage it did to others to became what it is now
Against trade unions: LOL, even democratic right wing parties are against trade unions. Pinochet the Fascist had trade union leaders murdered.
Hitler was pro big buisness as i have demonstrated: read Albert Krupps comments during his trial(about the Nazis being the best for his buisness).
Hitler was in bed with Franco, Mussolini, Horthy,Petain and other right wing dictators of Europe. in fact, they all attacked the USSR at the same time!
@randomgraduate Actually what is funny is that foreigners know BETTER the history of Chile than Chileans themselves, who are a bunch of fat ignorants who don't give a fuck.
In Europe, you hear about the Cold War, the ALENA, the 1960 events, and in Chile... about "filthy communists".
How simple minded. And I can tell, I'm Chilean myself.
@Kuckooracha Right, as if foreigners had that much of an interest in the history of Chile, and even if they did, they have never been to the country. They spit back what they sheepishly learned from Wikipedia and other websites to make their ass-quality opinion.
@randomgraduate Or they learn it in libraries or at school because YES foreigners care about world history, at least here en Europe.
Going to Chile would tell them one thing: that the people there are ignorants and live a life of social injustice (having closed rich neighborhoods with patrols - wtf is that third-world bullshit). The number of fat people is also astonishing, since all people do is eat completos and drink soda. Not much more about the past.
@randomgraduate Also, I remeber going to a library in San Antonio, supposedly a "nice" one, and I found empty bookshelters and half-ripped books.
And then someone's gonna tell me people in Chile care about their past? All they knw comes from rumors, stupidity and televisions, which are quite the same things.
@Kuckooracha By early 1973, inflation was out of control. The crippled economy was further battered by prolonged and sometimes simultaneous strikes by physicians, teachers, students, truck owners, copper workers, and the small business class. On 26 May 1973, Chile's Supreme Court, unanimously denounced the Allende disruption of the legality of the nation. Although illegal under the Chilean constitution, the court supported and strengthened Pinochet's seizure of power"
@joaquinveyron But where did "spontaneous strikes" come from? Why were transports frozen at some point, at the same time, over the whole country? Syndicates didn't organize that.
Why did investors leave? Only the fear of the red man, only the will to bring socialism down. Really, it was an absurd fear, Allende wasn't a socialist, was peacefully elected and had cautious contacts with communist leaders who were in the end his only support.
He didn't even stand a chance, and people blame him?
"Why did investors leave? Only the fear of the red man, "
... what would you do. Allende nationalized many industries and exappropriated many busnisses. So what would you expect? That they elect Allende the most the most preferred darling of Wall Street?
... and what would you expect the banks to do? Buy Chilean bonds while inflation raises to 140 % and later in 1972 even to 600 %?
@joaquinveyron the country was only in bad economy because USA/EUROPE had control of it. Didn't you read the cable? "we will make Chile's economy scream" is done to create the chaos, so people find justification in KILLING and TORTURING in order to "Save The Economy" in fact Chile has more than enough resources & productivity to be self sufficient and have great economy don't need "help". WAKE UP AND SMELL THE FACISM!!
@Nsight420 ""we will make Chile's economy scream" is done to"
No need for that. Allende and his idiotic socialists already did enough. Check HISTORICAL FACTS, fool.
"enough resources & productivity to be self sufficient"
You mean like North Korea or any other communist Shithole? :-)
Go ahead, try :-)
And where will you get all your cars, computers, machines, software, planes, any sort of advanced technology?? Ah, forgot, Cuba is doing just fine without it, right :-)
@joaquinveyron NICE COPY AND PASTE ;-) YOU are the one dismissing the historical facts, You just repeat what you been fed by your leadersand media, you have been brainwashed. If a country wants to be Comunist, Socialist , Democrat, WHATEVER. IS NON OF USA OR YOUR BUSINESS!!! you probably never been to Chile I suppose, guess what YOU ARE NOT WELCOME!
calling countries 'Shitholes" you have no idea what is like to be born and live there, you can talk shit cause you are on the dry side of the hill and you think you are superior? I have news for you you are a piece of shit, just read all the comments on your page. Facist Asshole, you think CARS & COMPUTERS are more important than HUMAN RIGHTS and justifies TORTURE? I will like to put electricity in your vagina see if you like it...
@joaquinveyron calling countries 'Shitholes" you have no idea what is like to be born and live there, you can talk shit cause you are on the dry side of the hill and you think you are superior? I have news for you you are a piece of shit, just read all the comments on your page. Facist Asshole, you think CARS & COMPUTERS are more important than HUMAN RIGHTS and justifies TORTURE? I will like to put electricity in your vagina see if you like it...
@joaquinveyron If there was quote "NO NEED FOR THAT.." then WHY DID they say in their cables they will destroy the Economy of Chile?? YOU FOOL you make NO SENSE just look at the evidence, 1000's killed and TORTURED how can that be better than what Allende did?? I don't understand your logic is completely idiotic.
Whats is the point of RAPING and KILLING? what does that have to do with DEMOCRACY??
@Nsight420 “Is normal to go through this when you are having a revolution,”
Revolution?? I thought Allende was democratically elected, wasn’t he? Really? Why is that all communist countries are an ECONOMIC DISASER during and 100 years after the “revolution” ;.-) Just name me ONE communist country that created PROSPERTY and a BETTER LIVING to its people??
@Nsight420 “they will destroy the Economy of Chile??”
Dipshit, it was Nixon who said “to make Chilean economy scream”. We referred to withdrawing the assets of American companies in Chiles and to cutting off debts to Chile. Well what do you expect if a country expropriates all American businesses and declares that it will not going to pay back its debts?
@Nsight420 „calling countries 'Shitholes" you have no idea what is like to”
Name me ONE communist country that wasn’t..
“, you think CARS & COMPUTERS are more important than HUMAN RIGHTS”
Dipshit, quite the OPPOSITE. Tell me where I said something different.
“justifies TORTURE“
Nothing justifies torture, and above all if torture is at a large scale and where victims were exempt of any basic freedom rights. Just like in ANY COMMUNIST SHITHOLE.
I agree with you. I think the support of the putsch was/is wrong, although the motivation was right and although the putsch was not carried out by the US, but by internal forces of Chile. Since the Allende regime was democratically elected, I think Chile should have learnt themselves what a NIGHTMARE communism/socialism is. Well, they were experiencing this from 1971 onwards anyhow already.
@joaquinveyron the whole point was to make it look like it was an INTERNAL THING, OFF COURSE!!! that's the way they operate, BUT IT WAS NOT an internal thing ONLY, the evidence is OUT!! you are in DENIAL, wake up!!
@Nsight420 I agree with you that it is non of the US business whether a country becomes communist or not. Why do you not have a problem, whenever the Soviet Union intervened in politics of a foreign country, when they forced communist rule on so many countries? When they started so many wars because of expanding “world communism” by force??
@joaquinveyron Who said I do not have a problem when Soviet Union intervened with politics of a foreign country?? Don't assume things it makes you look stupid.
Also the coup in Chile was backed by USA the evidence is out, aren't you paying any attention??
Pinochet was trained by USA, most of the people orchestrating the Coup were trained in USA with the same tactics used by NAZI Germany, the evidence is out don't be ignorant.
"Who said I do not have a problem when Soviet Union intervened with politics of a foreign country?"
Never have seen any anti-SU demonstration when the SU led a war in Vietnam, Korea, Afghanistan, Etzhiopia, Nicaragua, when communists MURDERED ^120 million, when they exposed communism by force onto more than 50 %of mankind, when they sent TANKS to Eastern Europa to keep them under control.
@Nsight420 In 1972 the Chilean escudo had runaway inflation of 140%. The average Real GDP contracted between 1971 and 1973 at an annual rate of 5.6% ("negative growth"), and the government's fiscal deficit soared while foreign reserves declined. The combination of inflation and government-mandated price-fixing, together with the "disappearance" of basic commodities from supermarket shelves, led to the rise of black markets in rice, beans, sugar, and flour.
@carreta They didn't help Chile, they had no charity in mind, they just wanted to control the country, that's why they didn't support socialists (Allende WASN'T a communist).
Now Chile and most of South America is the US's bitch. They create new importation laws, they buy our land at the cheapest prices, they steal our national products - must I remind you who nationalized the market of copper?
@Kuckooracha You are just spitting nonsense out of anger and hatred. I am not worried by what you say though, because it falls on deaf ears and does not earn any credit beyond your mouth.
This is what socialist programs lead to: Economic disasters, plummeting investment, capital flight, dropping productivity, increase of public spending, soaring inflation. In one word: Economy is destroyed.
In the light of other mass murderers and luntaics that exist in the left (Stalin, Mao, Che, Pol Pot, Castro) and given the fact that communism never solved a problem but only resulted in economic destruction, I can understand that they got rid of Allende.
@MrReco12 Brainamputated monkey, I told you many times that being against communism does not ,mean being pro fascism. Quite the opposite, actually. In history, it is questionable whether the red or the brown fascism brought more evil to mankind. Fact is that communism has a frighteneing amount of similarities to nazism. You should read The Origins of Totalitarianism (1951) of Hanah Arendt. But expecting you to be able to read would be something out of the common.
Pro socializing the economy: Lie, Hitler was the first leader to privatized leading industries and he also cut taxes for the middle class and buisnessmen like the Krupps enjoyed increased profits under his socalled "socialized economy".
-pro collective against the individual: Hitler was totally against collective rule and all power was focused in the hands of ONE INDIVIDUAL. idiot!
Dipshit, where r u from? Ah, down under .... all I can see is that your "intelligence" is down under.
Dipshit, Hitlers economic agenda was the perfect example for a state controlled economy. Hitler only favored those companies that were in line with his ideology and that did exactly what he ordered. Otherwise they would be out of business. Nazi Germany was full of state financed programs. The autobahns are the best example.
@MrReco12 "Hitler was totally against collective rule and all power was focused in the hands of ONE INDIVIDUAL. idiot!"
OMG, how can I take this idiot??? Of course, all political power was in ONE hnad, in Hitlers hand. The state and society was highly socialized, you idiot. The Nazis told everybody what to think, say and do, from the craddle to the grave, just like in communism, you brain amputated monkey!
"Every country has state finaiced programs you dunce."
Only with the exception that CAPITALISTIC MARKET ORIENTED economies DONT. This is the one of the most important differences between socialistic and capitalistic economies, you complete fool!!
"Conservatives always seek to control other peoples lives! "
Commplete BULLSHIT. Conservatives in the proper sense stand for PERSONAL FREEDOM, a minimum of state interference, persuit of happiness instead of entitlements, meritocracy, free market, FREE SPEECH.
Once more, you prove to be completely ignorant about ANYTHING.
"Conservatives stand for Fascism and right wing Totalitarianism "
Blablablablablablal ...
Listen, dipshit, I dont have all day to educate a brain amputated dipshit like you. So why dont you do yourself a favor and learn about FACTS, will you??
Dipshit, you shouldnt read "Marxist Daily" to informa yourself about historical facts. I mean, look at you. Thats what comes out of it. Conservatives despise any form of totalitarian system where basic freedoms of the individual are erradicated. And this is the case with all the totalitarian SHITHOLEs, just like under the Nazis and communists.
Dipshit, if you want to distortion what I said, then do it. this wouldn t be sth new.
I am not derending Pinochet for the crimes he committed. I am saying that his market oriented policies made Chile what Chile is today: the most successful country in Latin America, that Allende ruined the country and would have brought along a COMMUNIST SHITHOLE.
Rubbish, you were defending the murderous dictator and killer. Chilie was already the most prosperous nation in Latin American before Pinochet the fascist took over.
Dipshit, of course, Nixon said that and the USA put economic sanction on Chile, just as they did on Cuba, but the socialistic policies of Allende already had put Chile into an economic deadlock. Check any available historical source, idiot.
I live in Russia. Most people are long for socialism. So do many people In 1991-1992 high bureaucracy and politicians quickly find out that the disentigration of USSR can help them to gain power and profits as well as changing political system for capitalism. But even after 20 years of "wild" capitalism majority of population cannot accept the "justice" of principles of "free" market society.
Why dont you go back to communism then in Russia? The problem with Russia today is that it is trailing behind because communists left Russia in such a mess, so that Russia nowadays certainly is in a big mess right now. As I understand, there is not much industry left in Russia. You only have oligarchs selling the country and its resources off to other companies.
The real mess began when our young economists, successors of chikago economic school, led by american experts not only threw off the the controlling mechanisms in economics governed by the state, but completely desintegrated economical and manufacturing links between cooperated producers. As well as liberal but very noisy minority blamed everything supposed to be "soviet". In this way was ruined social? medical. educational systems, culture and self-respect of people.
The thing is that primitive black and white attitude is very dangerous and leads us ti return again and again to our past mistskes. In few words: liberals in Russia in 90's were maybe clewer, but not WISE. The better way for Russia might have been "convergention" with capitalism (Sakharov's theory), but not sudden dive into "wild" capitalist market.
We still have big potential in expert workers, scientists etc., but have not state policy in breeding them. Future is socialistic
Hitler, just like Allende, financed most of his exorbitant goverment spending by either printing money or endebting Germany towards abroad countries. This kind of Keynesian economic policies turned out to be fatal, as it is in ALL instances. Historians argue that Hitler was under pressure to attack other countries, because otherwise Germany would have had to file for bankcruptcy, again another striking similarity with all socialist nightmares.
Shithead, you know nothing. Hitler was EXACTLY the OPPOSITE of what you were saying, only that Hitler of course was a mass murderer just like his COMMUNIST friends. What you say is so against the FACTs, but I stop here. Arguing with IDIOTS like you is simply a WASTE of TIME.
"All of the economic woes you list were a direct result of CIA involvement" Ah, really and how did they do that? By economic embargo? No need for that. Allende shut the country up against international trade anyhow.
What Allende did:
- increased gov spending sky high
- this spending was financed mostly by printing money
- exappropriated private property
- increased salaries (without increasing productivity or output)
... can t imagine how this led Chile into ruins. Haha.
In 1972 the Chilean escudo had runaway inflation of 140%. The average Real GDP contracted between 1971 and 1973 at an annual rate of 5.6% ("negative growth"), and the government's fiscal deficit soared while foreign reserves declined. The combination of inflation and government-mandated price-fixing, together with the "disappearance" of basic commodities from supermarket shelves, led to the rise of black markets in rice, beans, sugar, and flour.
Pinochet is a hero. He killed 3000 communists, saving at least 10 times more people (in Peru communists killed over 30000, not to mention all that died from communist economy).
We are a Democracy because the majority of the people voted to get involved in Chile, which we shouldn't have done. We were founded as a Republic, not a Democracy. In a Democracy, the majority rule has absolute power even if the majority of the people are scum and degenerate. If the majority vote to execute the minority, it's Democratic. In a Republic, the emphasis is on individual rights.
Don't think Allende was any different from Pinochet. He killed dissidents.
I highly doubt that. Allende inspired the "Shining Path" in Peru which killed many innocent people intentionally. He was democratically elected, but that just means a guy is popular. I believe that everyone eventually has moral ideals deep down, but in practical terms, Chile didn't do worse with Pinochet.
Allende wasn't a member of the Communist Party, but he seemed to work with them a lot.
@Evropae I take it you mean to thank Pinochet for torturing my father and murdering his friends. But I forgive you, and only pray that you never have to experience the same things.
@Evropae Comunist are Satan.?...So what do you call Bank of America asking for Bail outs to the Goverment...Where da fuck is the ...'free" Market economy ....Allende was an idiot that overlook at the basic rule of dealing with the powerfull....Kill them they are too dangerous to be alive...
Even saying nothing about communists that are satans only in such blockheads as yours, Allende was not a communist at all. Не was a socialist leader of a big left coalition, he was newly elected president (for the 2nd time then), his popularity grew and that was the reason whe the US desided to overthrow him.
@ARSTesha forget about it.. thats the naive and dumb american.. and sure therea re a lot of people from another countries too.. they are dumb and manipulated by the media.. especially US media. like = socialism=communism=terrorism.. embarrasing.. they know nothing about the world, except one thing: they are the GOOD people, which are fighting the evil.. and they believe it really.. while the US government and companies are exploiting the world.. sad
@crackz123 I hope you're not calling all Americans naive and dumb. We're not all like that. Also, I don't think its fair to call the U.S. a "satan" country. Most countries with larger economies exploit smaller and less developed countries. That is a fact. If you're going to criticize the United States for this, you need to examine other powerful countries as well.
@sarahmac1226 sure not all. and sure there are other countries, which are doing the same. but the U.S. is one of the most hard-working country on that issue. they are the kings on exploiting other countries. the most european countries are following this path.. no doubt.
@crackz123 They learn all these fomr european countries this exploiting is an old european tactick of control and power. They stop for a while becuase they fuck eachother up during the world wars.
@LORDNAG1 thats right. and from colonial times.. no doubt. even america was conquered by the europeans. killed millions of Native American. so u are completely right. :) the west is europe and USA.
Moreover, Allende was in bed with the KGB who assisted him and with Castro. I don t want to argue for the American support of the Pinochet regime, but avoiding that Chile is turned into another communist shitholes is a good and human motivation that helps the people. Pinochet saved the crippled economy by introducing market-oriented reforms. Chiles is economically most successful country of Latin America
@joaquinveyron i will continue to talk with u, when u get real informations and not such a propaganda bullshit.. u are still talking like in the cold war.. baaaaad baaaaad communists..thats why the life expectancy in cuba is _higher_ than in the USA hm? thats why the medical support and insurance system is way better in cuba than in the USA, hm?thats why the USA have to attack and control several countries via bribing and supporting their brutal dictators for power and profit.. wake up, idiot..
Dipshit, what is propaganda about saying that communism is/was a NIGHTMARE and SHITHOLE whenever it was put in place??? It is mere HISTORICAL FACT!
"life expectancy in cuba is _higher_ than in the USA hm?"
Oh, yes, by one or two years. GREAT SUCCESS!!! :-) besides the fact that you cannot trust one inch of communistical statistics, a slightly higher life exp. is worthwile living ia COMMUNISTIC SHITHOLE like Cuba???? or what????
@crackz123 Sorry, I meant to say that the CIA factbook says that cubans live less longer. Anyhow, the numbers collected saying that Cubans live longer than Americans have all been reported by the communist Cuban government.
@quarterxchange haha what are u talking about? these numbers are coming from the WORLD BANK. search in google.. so please.. dont talk shit.. and who cares about, what the CIA is sayin? haha.. they would never blame their own country. even the world bank is mostrly a american bank. and they are sayin this.. so check the facts..
@quarterxchange and u are tlaking about the "crime" nationalizing the companies and ressources?? ohhhh what a crime! . the most of the ressources was owned by companies of OTHER countries. especially the USA. and nobody wants, that the own ressources are being stolen from the country and brought out of the country. thats why a LOT of countries in latin ameirca are now nationalizing their ressources. they dont want to be exploited by US and international companies.. its that simple my friend.
@quarterxchange but the greed for power and money , especially of the US companies and banks, is bringing their own country down now... the USA will go down because of its own selfish and inhuman behavior... and all around the world, more and more people are seeing that.. thats why they nationalize their ressources.. they want to use it for their own country, and dont want to be exploited by huge US and international companies.. globalization is a tool of the powerful men to exploit the world.
@quarterxchange u should ask yourself.. how it comes, that cuba as even a slightly higher life expectancy then the usa, when they are sooo baaad and inhuman and not working for their people? how are they getting a slightly higher expectancy with less power and money? and there is a huge difference between USA and cuba.. cuba is a poor country, from the view of ressources and money.. explain me that..how they get a slightly higher life expectancy if they are soo bad and socialism is not working?
@crackz123 Cuban communsim gives cubans a higher life expectancy than Americans according to the Cuban communist government. The WHO and World Bank don't have their own teams of investigators and researchers traveling from country to country collecting all the data behind life expectancy and infant mortality and deaths from cancer themselves. They simply ask the governments to send in their stats.
@quarterxchange u got the real sources of the world bank from me ... so stop talking bullshit.. they dont just asking the government.. how naive are u?
@quarterxchange i mean isnt that obvious that u are talking shit? first u say, that even the government of cuba is sayin that they citizen live less longer then american.. then i send u the numbers of the world bank and now u say the cuban government is sayin that the expectancy is higher and they are lying... dont u see , that u arent using any facts in ur argumentation ? just how it comes, u try to put the things in that way u want... without any facts or sources.. thats funny.. :>
@quarterxchange if u think, that they just asking the government.. u are very naive.. but ignoring facts , which would destroy their own world view, is the standard line of a naive ignoramus... :) there are a lot of them in the USA.. in europe and other parts of the worlds too, but i think in the USA, the percentage of ignorant people is a bit higher :> because of the propaganda of the US media which is owned by a few huge and powerful lobbies which are only interested in their own profit.
@crackz123 If cuban socialism is much more superior to American capitalism tell me why Cubans frequently attempt to escape from cuba. You're the idiot of the two of us. You take Cuban government stats as fact and point "Oh look (insert bogus organization) says cuba is better than the U.S!"
Account for the fact that Americans are in no hurry to escape to Cuba for free medical care and schooling while many cubans see it fit to run the risk of using makeshifr boats to get to Florida.
@quarterxchange So you were saying that the World Health Organization with all of it's scientist's, United Nation's backing, collaboration with the World Bank, almost endless monetary disposal simply asks a country to supply their own data. Hmm, I don't think so man. Especially since you said that they are a communist country, therefor their not to be trusted; well i'm sure those organizations don't trust their statistics just as much as you do. So rest assured, they have their own investigators
Many Chileans had to live their country. You asshole discriminate people...they are here because you fucked -up their country. Everything that you fucking eat, it's the blood of many people around the world. You are paying, you are going down...
InfiAlpha 1 week ago
@InfiAlpha
*** had to leave their country,
InfiAlpha 1 week ago
That is why, I am so glad that you got a taste of your own medicine, September 11, 2011. And you don't even suffer not even 1/10 of what the Chileans did. Prior to the coup, you set-up and embargo, they were no food staples to be found. More than 3,000 were tortured and disappeared. Because of the embargo more than 45% of the Chilean population were under poverty. I just hope that I live long enough to see your descendant step on, go hungry, and pay for everything that your country has done.
InfiAlpha 1 week ago
It is important to mention that the average American Joe did not have anything to do with what the US government did at that time. I am personally one of the victims of the involvement of the US back 1973, my family lost everything, even members of our family, we leave in EU since 1975, it was hard to grew up in a country where you where the 2 class citizen. Despite this I don't feel any anger today towards the US, the opposite, I have very nice experience of the average American.
tomtedude 4 months ago
@tomtedude
The average American is dumb!! The government keep them dumb.. They are a bunch of rednecks...
InfiAlpha 1 week ago
anyways, FUCK PINOCHET rot in hell
ghettomt 4 months ago
quanto vcs da CIA norte america pagaram a pinochet e os outros 3 patetas para fazerem o golpe e assassniar milhares de inocentes.
ludovico9vonz 4 months ago
@quarterxchange As well as our boy FDR, Franklin Delano Roosevelt said that “The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it comes stronger than their democratic state itself. That, in its essence, is fascism - ownership of government by an individual, by a group,”
Unfortunately, that is the state we are in. The word of the people means next to nothing. It's whatever the corporate run government wants.
msaalabi23 4 months ago 3
@quarterxchange As said by the great Fascit Benito Mussolini, who was Hitler's influence, “Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power."
So if you say that he doesn't know what he was talking about, you're just in denial.
msaalabi23 4 months ago
Allende did not win by a majority vote, regardless, communism should never be brought to vote any more than murder, rape, or robbery. Allende then began to use taxes to fund socialist militas and then nationalized private property. The Chilean government determined Allende broke the law, yet he refused to step down. Pinochet went in, took him out and then boosted the Chilean economy.
quarterxchange 4 months ago
fuckk usa
exitre 5 months ago
haha i love this naive idiots which say things like communist shithole etc and then talk about the saint pinochet... very funny
crackz123 6 months ago
9-11 2011 was a blowback of 9-11 1973 indeed
americans got what they deserved
dyaakov 6 months ago
@dyaakov Come on, how many people in those towers do you think had anything to do with this?
The only people that deserve to be punished are those involved. Being born in the same country as a bunch of assholes isn't a crime.
ElliotKeaton 6 months ago
@ElliotKeaton true, nevertheless, innocents always pay the price
unfortunately, US citizens will pay the price of bombing irak and afghanistan in life
Bush, otherwise, will pay in hell
dyaakov 6 months ago
USA and CIA had no right to back the COUP. Don't try to make it right 1000's of people TORTURED and KILLED for what? Now Chile is one of the MOST UNEQUAL countries in the world, plus is hard to wipe out the resentment, violence only creates more violence, now all of Chile's resources are up for grabs by private entities thanks to Pinochet policies the Chilean people does not own most of their resources, that's the way of the Empire DON'T PRETEND IS NOT SO.
Nsight420 6 months ago
@Nsight420 “make it right 1000 of people's TORTURED and KILLED for what? “
Dipshit, if you could read, you would find that I condoned the killings and torturing done by Pinochet and his henchmen. All I was saying was that Allende crippled Chiles economy and was on his way to turn Chile into a COMMUNIST SHITHOLE.
By the way, the Chilean Supreme Court revoked the legality to Allende s government in 1973.
joaquinveyron 6 months ago
@joaquinveyron Dipshit, Allende was democratically elected by the people, if the people was not happy with him they can elect a different president that's the beauty of the democracy, there's is no excuse to do what Pinochet & CIA did. He was a mass-murderer dictator . I am from Chile and I lived there most of the military regime. So I speak from 1st hand experience. You only speak out of your ass. I don't know what is the point you trying to make but you are not making any sense.
Nsight420 6 months ago
@Nsight420 "He was a mass-murderer dictator ."
Yes, he was. Like many assholes in governments of SOuth America, be it from the left or the right.
Ah, verdad, eres chileno. Entonces seguramente puedes conversar en castellano, no?
TheVladtheimpaler 6 months ago
@TheVladtheimpaler si puedo pero no voy a hablar de partidos por que pienso que es una perdida de tiempo.
Nsight420 6 months ago
united states backed also a coup in greece with their goal being the separation of cyprus.
Americans, if u dont want to be threatened or another 9/11 then stay in America.
dimalex8 7 months ago
@dimalex8 What Allende did:
- increased gov spending sky high
- this spending was financed mostly by printing money
- exappropriated private property
- increased salaries (without increasing productivity or output)
... can t imagine how this led Chile into ruins. Haha.
joaquinveyron 6 months ago
democracy, the majority forcing its will on individuals...how grand
longfootbuddy 8 months ago
@longfootbuddy In 1972 the Chilean escudo had runaway inflation of 140%. The average Real GDP contracted between 1971 and 1973 at an annual rate of 5.6% ("negative growth"), and the government's fiscal deficit soared while foreign reserves declined. The combination of inflation and government-mandated price-fixing, together with the "disappearance" of basic commodities from supermarket shelves, led to the rise of black markets in rice, beans, sugar, and flour.
Really? Can t imagine why.
joaquinveyron 6 months ago
Thats KARMA. US fucked Chile on Septemberr 11th. Fancy that.
danielatino100 8 months ago
@danielatino100 What Allende did:
- increased gov spending sky high
- this spending was financed mostly by printing money
- exappropriated private property
- increased salaries (without increasing productivity or output)
... can t imagine how this led Chile into ruins. Haha.
joaquinveyron 6 months ago
so we supported a fascist...hmmmm...
catch22af 8 months ago
One of our most emberassing moments. All because the Russians had us scared shitless. There's no excuse for us to go around other countries deposing DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED leaders no matter what dumb ideology theyrepresent. Our government brainwashes our masses into thinking we're the "defender of free nations" yet we were involved with numerous Pinochet type situations. WE are responsible for all the suffering of the Chileans of that era and I'm ashamed of that.
deedubbman 9 months ago 14
@deedubbman This is what socialist programs lead to: Economic disasters, plummeting investment, capital flight, dropping productivity, increase of public spending, soaring inflation. In one word: Economy is destroyed.
In the light of other mass murderers and luntaics that exist in the left (Stalin, Mao, Che, Pol Pot, Castro) and given the fact that communism never solved a problem but only resulted in economic destruction, I can understand that they got rid of Allende.
joaquinveyron 6 months ago
Pinochet, the military, & the CIA saved Chile from stalinist communism.
igregmart 10 months ago
@igregmart
Nonsense. The military would have been purged if if Allende was a Stalinist!
you are a disgusting liar.
MrReco12 10 months ago
@MrReco12 By early 1973, inflation was out of control. The crippled economy was further battered by prolonged and sometimes simultaneous strikes by physicians, teachers, students, truck owners, copper workers, and the small business class. On 26 May 1973, Chile's Supreme Court, unanimously denounced the Allende disruption of the legality of the nation. Although illegal under the Chilean constitution, the court supported and strengthened Pinochet's seizure of power"
joaquinveyron 6 months ago
@joaquinveyron
"Although illegal under the Chilean constitution, the court supported and strengthened Pinochet's seizure of power"
Idiot, you just admitted that the Chilean supreme court violated the constitution. :D
MrReco12 6 months ago
@igregmart how so? pinochet was as affictive as stalin in killing his opposition, So how we save chile form stanlinist communism oh wait it was more like stanlinist capitolism lmao. fucking moron.
LORDNAG1 10 months ago
@LORDNAG1 his is what happened in Chile under Allende: Allende's socialist agenda crippled the country. Allende's public spending which was financed mostly by printing money. Many enterprises within the copper, coal, iron, nitrate, and steel industries were expropriated, nationalized, or subjected to state intervention. Capital flight, plummeting private investment, and withdrawal of bank deposits were the response to Allende's socialist program.
joaquinveyron 6 months ago
@joaquinveyron Is normal to go through this when you are having a revolution, he wanted to give the power back to the people of Chile but is not easy not to clash with the Empire so off course there was economic problems the whole system had to undergo major changes which were not going to favor the rich WHITE/EUROPEAN minority but the NATIVES poor people and the workers, USA and CIA had no right do the COUP. Don't try to make it right 1000 of people's TORTURED and KILLED for what?
Nsight420 6 months ago
@Nsight420 „USA and CIA had no right do the COUP”
I agree. As a matter of fact, it wasn’t the USA/CIA that carried out the coup, it was Pinochet. And putsches and coups in SAmerica in the 70s were a quite common phenomenon.
joaquinveyron 6 months ago
"I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world, no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men." Woodrow Wilson
crackz123 11 months ago
El Salvador Alende was one of the best presidents in the world for all history
sss7773 11 months ago
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Cut off Pinochets head and shove it up his ass where it has always been. US terrorists are not welcome.
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SunnySide247 1 year ago 20
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LFactorSA 5 months ago
Regardless of any opinions , for one country to create dissent among its people and use that as a basis for war or as some say sanctions to hide the fact is an evil motive.
Its clear the US has taken a lot from the pages from Nazi tactics and made them applicable to them.
Conflict should now at this age be conducted through diplomatic channels not at the expense of others.
katric1 1 year ago
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katric1 1 year ago
The truckers' transport strike which brought the economy to its knees was begun in 71 and is now commonly accepted (see the film above) to have been initiated by the US.
He was breaking the hold of the latifundia - the indentured slavery on the landed estates.
Have you seen the film 'Missing' where the liberal US citizen is handed over to Pinochet's lot by fellow Americans for trying to expose the coup? He is tortured and murdered by them. A brilliant film based on a true story.
NormanArches 1 year ago
americans dont know that salvador allende was trying to make a bettrer country in chile while the us was trying to stop the cold war while you think ur country is better think of how much damage it did to others to became what it is now
fnbuy 1 year ago
FASCIST BASTARDS!!! THANK YOU FOR THIS!
Taharah007 1 year ago
Against trade unions: LOL, even democratic right wing parties are against trade unions. Pinochet the Fascist had trade union leaders murdered.
Hitler was pro big buisness as i have demonstrated: read Albert Krupps comments during his trial(about the Nazis being the best for his buisness).
Hitler was in bed with Franco, Mussolini, Horthy,Petain and other right wing dictators of Europe. in fact, they all attacked the USSR at the same time!
last point: so did PInochet!
MrReco12 1 year ago
I am tired of random people who are NOT Chilean come here and state their ignorant and detached opinionsagainst Pinochet.
randomgraduate 1 year ago
@randomgraduate Actually what is funny is that foreigners know BETTER the history of Chile than Chileans themselves, who are a bunch of fat ignorants who don't give a fuck.
In Europe, you hear about the Cold War, the ALENA, the 1960 events, and in Chile... about "filthy communists".
How simple minded. And I can tell, I'm Chilean myself.
Kuckooracha 1 year ago
@Kuckooracha Right, as if foreigners had that much of an interest in the history of Chile, and even if they did, they have never been to the country. They spit back what they sheepishly learned from Wikipedia and other websites to make their ass-quality opinion.
randomgraduate 1 year ago
@randomgraduate Or they learn it in libraries or at school because YES foreigners care about world history, at least here en Europe.
Going to Chile would tell them one thing: that the people there are ignorants and live a life of social injustice (having closed rich neighborhoods with patrols - wtf is that third-world bullshit). The number of fat people is also astonishing, since all people do is eat completos and drink soda. Not much more about the past.
Kuckooracha 1 year ago
@randomgraduate Also, I remeber going to a library in San Antonio, supposedly a "nice" one, and I found empty bookshelters and half-ripped books.
And then someone's gonna tell me people in Chile care about their past? All they knw comes from rumors, stupidity and televisions, which are quite the same things.
Kuckooracha 1 year ago
@Kuckooracha By early 1973, inflation was out of control. The crippled economy was further battered by prolonged and sometimes simultaneous strikes by physicians, teachers, students, truck owners, copper workers, and the small business class. On 26 May 1973, Chile's Supreme Court, unanimously denounced the Allende disruption of the legality of the nation. Although illegal under the Chilean constitution, the court supported and strengthened Pinochet's seizure of power"
joaquinveyron 1 year ago
@joaquinveyron But where did "spontaneous strikes" come from? Why were transports frozen at some point, at the same time, over the whole country? Syndicates didn't organize that.
Why did investors leave? Only the fear of the red man, only the will to bring socialism down. Really, it was an absurd fear, Allende wasn't a socialist, was peacefully elected and had cautious contacts with communist leaders who were in the end his only support.
He didn't even stand a chance, and people blame him?
Kuckooracha 1 year ago
@Kuckooracha
"Why did investors leave? Only the fear of the red man, "
... what would you do. Allende nationalized many industries and exappropriated many busnisses. So what would you expect? That they elect Allende the most the most preferred darling of Wall Street?
... and what would you expect the banks to do? Buy Chilean bonds while inflation raises to 140 % and later in 1972 even to 600 %?
joaquinveyron 1 year ago
@Kuckooracha
"Allende wasn't a socialist,?"
Allende was more socialistic than you can imagine.
joaquinveyron 1 year ago
@Kuckooracha
"He didn't even stand a chance, and people blame him?"
He didnt have a chance because of HIS SOCIALISTIC policies that led the country into ruins. And thats why people blame him.
joaquinveyron 1 year ago
@joaquinveyron the country was only in bad economy because USA/EUROPE had control of it. Didn't you read the cable? "we will make Chile's economy scream" is done to create the chaos, so people find justification in KILLING and TORTURING in order to "Save The Economy" in fact Chile has more than enough resources & productivity to be self sufficient and have great economy don't need "help". WAKE UP AND SMELL THE FACISM!!
Nsight420 6 months ago
@Nsight420 ""we will make Chile's economy scream" is done to"
No need for that. Allende and his idiotic socialists already did enough. Check HISTORICAL FACTS, fool.
"enough resources & productivity to be self sufficient"
You mean like North Korea or any other communist Shithole? :-)
Go ahead, try :-)
And where will you get all your cars, computers, machines, software, planes, any sort of advanced technology?? Ah, forgot, Cuba is doing just fine without it, right :-)
joaquinveyron 6 months ago
@joaquinveyron NICE COPY AND PASTE ;-) YOU are the one dismissing the historical facts, You just repeat what you been fed by your leadersand media, you have been brainwashed. If a country wants to be Comunist, Socialist , Democrat, WHATEVER. IS NON OF USA OR YOUR BUSINESS!!! you probably never been to Chile I suppose, guess what YOU ARE NOT WELCOME!
Nsight420 6 months ago
calling countries 'Shitholes" you have no idea what is like to be born and live there, you can talk shit cause you are on the dry side of the hill and you think you are superior? I have news for you you are a piece of shit, just read all the comments on your page. Facist Asshole, you think CARS & COMPUTERS are more important than HUMAN RIGHTS and justifies TORTURE? I will like to put electricity in your vagina see if you like it...
Nsight420 6 months ago
@joaquinveyron calling countries 'Shitholes" you have no idea what is like to be born and live there, you can talk shit cause you are on the dry side of the hill and you think you are superior? I have news for you you are a piece of shit, just read all the comments on your page. Facist Asshole, you think CARS & COMPUTERS are more important than HUMAN RIGHTS and justifies TORTURE? I will like to put electricity in your vagina see if you like it...
Nsight420 6 months ago
@joaquinveyron If there was quote "NO NEED FOR THAT.." then WHY DID they say in their cables they will destroy the Economy of Chile?? YOU FOOL you make NO SENSE just look at the evidence, 1000's killed and TORTURED how can that be better than what Allende did?? I don't understand your logic is completely idiotic.
Whats is the point of RAPING and KILLING? what does that have to do with DEMOCRACY??
Nsight420 6 months ago
@Nsight420 “Is normal to go through this when you are having a revolution,”
Revolution?? I thought Allende was democratically elected, wasn’t he? Really? Why is that all communist countries are an ECONOMIC DISASER during and 100 years after the “revolution” ;.-) Just name me ONE communist country that created PROSPERTY and a BETTER LIVING to its people??
joaquinveyron 6 months ago
@Nsight420 “they will destroy the Economy of Chile??”
Dipshit, it was Nixon who said “to make Chilean economy scream”. We referred to withdrawing the assets of American companies in Chiles and to cutting off debts to Chile. Well what do you expect if a country expropriates all American businesses and declares that it will not going to pay back its debts?
joaquinveyron 6 months ago
@Nsight420 „calling countries 'Shitholes" you have no idea what is like to”
Name me ONE communist country that wasn’t..
“, you think CARS & COMPUTERS are more important than HUMAN RIGHTS”
Dipshit, quite the OPPOSITE. Tell me where I said something different.
“justifies TORTURE“
Nothing justifies torture, and above all if torture is at a large scale and where victims were exempt of any basic freedom rights. Just like in ANY COMMUNIST SHITHOLE.
joaquinveyron 6 months ago
@Nsight420 „You just repeat what you been fed by your leadersand media”
Really??? Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn … feel free to check and correct the HISTORICAL FACTS that I wrote here. They are freely available.
joaquinveyron 6 months ago
@Nsight420 “NON OF USA OR YOUR BUSINESS”
I agree with you. I think the support of the putsch was/is wrong, although the motivation was right and although the putsch was not carried out by the US, but by internal forces of Chile. Since the Allende regime was democratically elected, I think Chile should have learnt themselves what a NIGHTMARE communism/socialism is. Well, they were experiencing this from 1971 onwards anyhow already.
joaquinveyron 6 months ago
@joaquinveyron the whole point was to make it look like it was an INTERNAL THING, OFF COURSE!!! that's the way they operate, BUT IT WAS NOT an internal thing ONLY, the evidence is OUT!! you are in DENIAL, wake up!!
Nsight420 6 months ago
@Nsight420 I agree with you that it is non of the US business whether a country becomes communist or not. Why do you not have a problem, whenever the Soviet Union intervened in politics of a foreign country, when they forced communist rule on so many countries? When they started so many wars because of expanding “world communism” by force??
joaquinveyron 6 months ago
@joaquinveyron Who said I do not have a problem when Soviet Union intervened with politics of a foreign country?? Don't assume things it makes you look stupid.
Also the coup in Chile was backed by USA the evidence is out, aren't you paying any attention??
Pinochet was trained by USA, most of the people orchestrating the Coup were trained in USA with the same tactics used by NAZI Germany, the evidence is out don't be ignorant.
Nsight420 6 months ago
@Nsight420
"Who said I do not have a problem when Soviet Union intervened with politics of a foreign country?"
Never have seen any anti-SU demonstration when the SU led a war in Vietnam, Korea, Afghanistan, Etzhiopia, Nicaragua, when communists MURDERED ^120 million, when they exposed communism by force onto more than 50 %of mankind, when they sent TANKS to Eastern Europa to keep them under control.
TheVladtheimpaler 6 months ago
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@Nsight420 "same tactics used by NAZI Germany"
Yeah, and where did the Nazis get their torture know-how from? From the NKVD, KGB of the SU.
TheVladtheimpaler 6 months ago
@Nsight420 In 1972 the Chilean escudo had runaway inflation of 140%. The average Real GDP contracted between 1971 and 1973 at an annual rate of 5.6% ("negative growth"), and the government's fiscal deficit soared while foreign reserves declined. The combination of inflation and government-mandated price-fixing, together with the "disappearance" of basic commodities from supermarket shelves, led to the rise of black markets in rice, beans, sugar, and flour.
Really? Can t imagine why.
joaquinveyron 6 months ago
So What IF the USA Help Chile?
carreta 1 year ago
@carreta They didn't help Chile, they had no charity in mind, they just wanted to control the country, that's why they didn't support socialists (Allende WASN'T a communist).
Now Chile and most of South America is the US's bitch. They create new importation laws, they buy our land at the cheapest prices, they steal our national products - must I remind you who nationalized the market of copper?
I'd rather die than be a slave like that.
Kuckooracha 1 year ago
@Kuckooracha You are just spitting nonsense out of anger and hatred. I am not worried by what you say though, because it falls on deaf ears and does not earn any credit beyond your mouth.
randomgraduate 1 year ago
@randomgraduate
The man had women raped by dogs. What do you expect?
MrReco12 1 year ago
@MrReco12
This is what socialist programs lead to: Economic disasters, plummeting investment, capital flight, dropping productivity, increase of public spending, soaring inflation. In one word: Economy is destroyed.
In the light of other mass murderers and luntaics that exist in the left (Stalin, Mao, Che, Pol Pot, Castro) and given the fact that communism never solved a problem but only resulted in economic destruction, I can understand that they got rid of Allende.
joaquinveyron 1 year ago
@joaquinveyron
Mao and Stalin both increased their life expectancy by 30 years!
Your lovable hero Hitler was also anti communist and a mass murdering capitalist. The Far right are mass murderers!
MrReco12 1 year ago
@MrReco12 Brainamputated monkey, I told you many times that being against communism does not ,mean being pro fascism. Quite the opposite, actually. In history, it is questionable whether the red or the brown fascism brought more evil to mankind. Fact is that communism has a frighteneing amount of similarities to nazism. You should read The Origins of Totalitarianism (1951) of Hanah Arendt. But expecting you to be able to read would be something out of the common.
joaquinveyron 1 year ago
@joaquinveyron
Hitler was a capitalist dictator like PInochet!
In face, Hitler contributed privatization to the ideology(Mass murder was always the Rightist way).
MrReco12 1 year ago
@MrReco12 Fucking, Hitler was a dictator who murdered millions. No doubt about that. He was
- pro socializing the economy
- pro collective against the individual
- against trade unions
- neutral about big or small business, provided that the economy did exactly what he ordered them to do
- in bed with Stalin. Stalin made significant deliveries of oil and corn to Germany (1 mio tonnes)
- he got rid of basic liberties of individuals
joaquinveyron 1 year ago
@joaquinveyron
Pro socializing the economy: Lie, Hitler was the first leader to privatized leading industries and he also cut taxes for the middle class and buisnessmen like the Krupps enjoyed increased profits under his socalled "socialized economy".
-pro collective against the individual: Hitler was totally against collective rule and all power was focused in the hands of ONE INDIVIDUAL. idiot!
cont.
MrReco12 1 year ago
@MrReco12
Dipshit, where r u from? Ah, down under .... all I can see is that your "intelligence" is down under.
Dipshit, Hitlers economic agenda was the perfect example for a state controlled economy. Hitler only favored those companies that were in line with his ideology and that did exactly what he ordered. Otherwise they would be out of business. Nazi Germany was full of state financed programs. The autobahns are the best example.
joaquinveyron 1 year ago
@MrReco12 "Hitler was totally against collective rule and all power was focused in the hands of ONE INDIVIDUAL. idiot!"
OMG, how can I take this idiot??? Of course, all political power was in ONE hnad, in Hitlers hand. The state and society was highly socialized, you idiot. The Nazis told everybody what to think, say and do, from the craddle to the grave, just like in communism, you brain amputated monkey!
joaquinveyron 1 year ago
@joaquinveyron
Like i said, every nation has state finaiced programs you poor dunce! And you admitted that your point about Hitler being a collectivist was crap!
Conservatives always seek to control other peoples lives!
MrReco12 1 year ago
@MrReco12 @MrReco12
"Every country has state finaiced programs you dunce."
Only with the exception that CAPITALISTIC MARKET ORIENTED economies DONT. This is the one of the most important differences between socialistic and capitalistic economies, you complete fool!!
joaquinveyron 1 year ago
@joaquinveyron
Name one!
MrReco12 1 year ago
@MrReco12
"Conservatives always seek to control other peoples lives! "
Commplete BULLSHIT. Conservatives in the proper sense stand for PERSONAL FREEDOM, a minimum of state interference, persuit of happiness instead of entitlements, meritocracy, free market, FREE SPEECH.
Once more, you prove to be completely ignorant about ANYTHING.
joaquinveyron 1 year ago
@joaquinveyron
Like Pinochet?
He had thousands tortured whilst Allende didn't.
Bush also had people tortured.
Conservatives stand for Fascism and right wing Totalitarianism
MrReco12 1 year ago
@MrReco12
"Conservatives stand for Fascism and right wing Totalitarianism "
Blablablablablablal ...
Listen, dipshit, I dont have all day to educate a brain amputated dipshit like you. So why dont you do yourself a favor and learn about FACTS, will you??
joaquinveyron 1 year ago
@joaquinveyron
Well history shows that is correct. No matter how many time you deny it!
MrReco12 1 year ago
@MrReco12
Dipshit, you shouldnt read "Marxist Daily" to informa yourself about historical facts. I mean, look at you. Thats what comes out of it. Conservatives despise any form of totalitarian system where basic freedoms of the individual are erradicated. And this is the case with all the totalitarian SHITHOLEs, just like under the Nazis and communists.
joaquinveyron 1 year ago
@joaquinveyron
LOL
You were defending Pinochet!
MrReco12 1 year ago
@MrReco12
Dipshit, if you want to distortion what I said, then do it. this wouldn t be sth new.
I am not derending Pinochet for the crimes he committed. I am saying that his market oriented policies made Chile what Chile is today: the most successful country in Latin America, that Allende ruined the country and would have brought along a COMMUNIST SHITHOLE.
joaquinveyron 1 year ago
@joaquinveyron
Rubbish, you were defending the murderous dictator and killer. Chilie was already the most prosperous nation in Latin American before Pinochet the fascist took over.
MrReco12 1 year ago
@MrReco12
"Chilie was already the most prosperous nation in Latin American "
Yes, and then Allende came and led the country into ruins, within THREE YEARS.
I am never defending any murderous dictator or killer. Thats why I am against all socialisstic NIGHTMARES be it brown or red.
joaquinveyron 1 year ago
@joaquinveyron
Nixon ordered his CIA agents to Destroy the econmy. So in reality, it was the right wing conservatives that destroyed Chilie!
MrReco12 1 year ago 25
@MrReco12
Dipshit, the Chilean economy already WAS in ruins because of Allendes socialistic policies. No need for the USA to do anything.
joaquinveyron 1 year ago
@joaquinveyron
Moron!
The US ,under the orders of Nixon, destroyed the Chilean economy and paid terrorists to blow up economic infrastructure.
MrReco12 1 year ago
@MrReco12
This is incorrect. As joaquinveyron already said, the Chilean economy already was in ruins. Look it up, idiot.
BugattiVEYRONSSport 1 year ago
@BugattiVEYRONSSport
It is correct you total idiot.
"make the economy scream"
-Ricahrd Nixon!
Look up the CIA documents you idiots!
MrReco12 1 year ago
@MrReco12
Dipshit, of course, Nixon said that and the USA put economic sanction on Chile, just as they did on Cuba, but the socialistic policies of Allende already had put Chile into an economic deadlock. Check any available historical source, idiot.
BugattiVEYRONSSport 1 year ago
@BugattiVEYRONSSport
You absolute MORON!
Rightwing terrorists were blowing up vital economic infrastructure whist the CIA were PAYING people to strike!
Again read the CIA documents you halfwit!
MrReco12 1 year ago
@joaquinveyron
...brown or red?
Are you color-blind?
I live in Russia. Most people are long for socialism. So do many people In 1991-1992 high bureaucracy and politicians quickly find out that the disentigration of USSR can help them to gain power and profits as well as changing political system for capitalism. But even after 20 years of "wild" capitalism majority of population cannot accept the "justice" of principles of "free" market society.
And Pinochet killed pink, not red.
ARSTesha 11 months ago
@ARSTesha
Why dont you go back to communism then in Russia? The problem with Russia today is that it is trailing behind because communists left Russia in such a mess, so that Russia nowadays certainly is in a big mess right now. As I understand, there is not much industry left in Russia. You only have oligarchs selling the country and its resources off to other companies.
joaquinveyron 11 months ago
@joaquinveyron
The real mess began when our young economists, successors of chikago economic school, led by american experts not only threw off the the controlling mechanisms in economics governed by the state, but completely desintegrated economical and manufacturing links between cooperated producers. As well as liberal but very noisy minority blamed everything supposed to be "soviet". In this way was ruined social? medical. educational systems, culture and self-respect of people.
ARSTesha 11 months ago
@joaquinveyron
The thing is that primitive black and white attitude is very dangerous and leads us ti return again and again to our past mistskes. In few words: liberals in Russia in 90's were maybe clewer, but not WISE. The better way for Russia might have been "convergention" with capitalism (Sakharov's theory), but not sudden dive into "wild" capitalist market.
We still have big potential in expert workers, scientists etc., but have not state policy in breeding them. Future is socialistic
ARSTesha 11 months ago
@ARSTesha
Sorry: So do many people, for example, in eastern part of Germany (former GDR).
ARSTesha 11 months ago
Like i said: Conservatives stand for Right wing Totalitarianism
MrReco12 1 year ago
@MrReco12
Hitler, just like Allende, financed most of his exorbitant goverment spending by either printing money or endebting Germany towards abroad countries. This kind of Keynesian economic policies turned out to be fatal, as it is in ALL instances. Historians argue that Hitler was under pressure to attack other countries, because otherwise Germany would have had to file for bankcruptcy, again another striking similarity with all socialist nightmares.
joaquinveyron 1 year ago
@MrReco12
Shithead, you know nothing. Hitler was EXACTLY the OPPOSITE of what you were saying, only that Hitler of course was a mass murderer just like his COMMUNIST friends. What you say is so against the FACTs, but I stop here. Arguing with IDIOTS like you is simply a WASTE of TIME.
joaquinveyron 1 year ago
@randomgraduate
"All of the economic woes you list were a direct result of CIA involvement" Ah, really and how did they do that? By economic embargo? No need for that. Allende shut the country up against international trade anyhow.
What Allende did:
- increased gov spending sky high
- this spending was financed mostly by printing money
- exappropriated private property
- increased salaries (without increasing productivity or output)
... can t imagine how this led Chile into ruins. Haha.
joaquinveyron 1 year ago
@joaquinveyron By the number of replies you have posted, you were probably so into it you replied to the wrong person, I never said that.
randomgraduate 1 year ago
@Kuckooracha
In 1972 the Chilean escudo had runaway inflation of 140%. The average Real GDP contracted between 1971 and 1973 at an annual rate of 5.6% ("negative growth"), and the government's fiscal deficit soared while foreign reserves declined. The combination of inflation and government-mandated price-fixing, together with the "disappearance" of basic commodities from supermarket shelves, led to the rise of black markets in rice, beans, sugar, and flour.
Really? Can t imagine why.
joaquinveyron 1 year ago
Pinochet is a hero. He killed 3000 communists, saving at least 10 times more people (in Peru communists killed over 30000, not to mention all that died from communist economy).
kapsi 1 year ago
@kapsi
PInochet a hero?
PInochet was a Nazi and a criminal.
Allende didn't murder anyone.
Allende: 0
PInochet: 3000 inncoents
MrReco12 1 year ago
@MrReco12 I read they arrested leaders of some communist organisation this week in Philippines, better go defend your heroes from nazi criminals.
kapsi 1 year ago
@kapsi Allende wasn't a communist. Period.
Pinochet was a puppet. Period.
Read a history book, my ignorant friend.
Kuckooracha 1 year ago
@Kuckooracha then there should be more puppets like him.
kapsi 1 year ago
And the United States dares call itself a ''democracy''... wtf!
angelopolisinfo 1 year ago
@angelopolisinfo,
We are a Democracy because the majority of the people voted to get involved in Chile, which we shouldn't have done. We were founded as a Republic, not a Democracy. In a Democracy, the majority rule has absolute power even if the majority of the people are scum and degenerate. If the majority vote to execute the minority, it's Democratic. In a Republic, the emphasis is on individual rights.
Don't think Allende was any different from Pinochet. He killed dissidents.
TheFlanker35 1 year ago
@TheFlanker35 In terms of violence and ideals... they were.
Don't think the cow is any different from your sister! They both have legs.
Kuckooracha 1 year ago
@Kuckooracha,
I highly doubt that. Allende inspired the "Shining Path" in Peru which killed many innocent people intentionally. He was democratically elected, but that just means a guy is popular. I believe that everyone eventually has moral ideals deep down, but in practical terms, Chile didn't do worse with Pinochet.
Allende wasn't a member of the Communist Party, but he seemed to work with them a lot.
TheFlanker35 1 year ago
¡VIVA ALLENDE!
angelopolisinfo 1 year ago
socialism is dead. Stop throwing money away on propaganda.. and take care of millions of people still trapped in communist countries.
Have you ever wonder why people always try to escape from those countries?
never saw a german trying to jump the wall to the marxist side, or someone from florida preparing the canoe to escape to cuba libre!, do you?
loomisnueve 1 year ago
@loomisnueve
That this most your inhabitant of Philadelphia anywhere didn't want to run and veins well, for this hundred thousand Chileans and have killed
sss7773 1 year ago
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HAIL PINOCHET! Communists are SATAN.
Evropae 1 year ago 22
@Evropae
what fucking retards americans are
muimrm 1 year ago
@Evropae I take it you mean to thank Pinochet for torturing my father and murdering his friends. But I forgive you, and only pray that you never have to experience the same things.
lingerlightly 1 year ago
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@Evropae - you are a knob
brookin 1 year ago
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@Evropae
you are an immature and ignorant fool
brookin 1 year ago
@Evropae Comunist are Satan.?...So what do you call Bank of America asking for Bail outs to the Goverment...Where da fuck is the ...'free" Market economy ....Allende was an idiot that overlook at the basic rule of dealing with the powerfull....Kill them they are too dangerous to be alive...
Darealwhip 1 year ago
@Evropae irony?
tvcrunkfool 1 year ago
@Evropae Maybe, but fascists are even more Satan...
MrCipriani18 1 year ago
@Evropae
Even saying nothing about communists that are satans only in such blockheads as yours, Allende was not a communist at all. Не was a socialist leader of a big left coalition, he was newly elected president (for the 2nd time then), his popularity grew and that was the reason whe the US desided to overthrow him.
ARSTesha 11 months ago
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crackz123 11 months ago
@ARSTesha forget about it.. thats the naive and dumb american.. and sure therea re a lot of people from another countries too.. they are dumb and manipulated by the media.. especially US media. like = socialism=communism=terrorism.. embarrasing.. they know nothing about the world, except one thing: they are the GOOD people, which are fighting the evil.. and they believe it really.. while the US government and companies are exploiting the world.. sad
crackz123 11 months ago
@crackz123 I hope you're not calling all Americans naive and dumb. We're not all like that. Also, I don't think its fair to call the U.S. a "satan" country. Most countries with larger economies exploit smaller and less developed countries. That is a fact. If you're going to criticize the United States for this, you need to examine other powerful countries as well.
sarahmac1226 11 months ago
@sarahmac1226 sure not all. and sure there are other countries, which are doing the same. but the U.S. is one of the most hard-working country on that issue. they are the kings on exploiting other countries. the most european countries are following this path.. no doubt.
crackz123 11 months ago
@crackz123 They learn all these fomr european countries this exploiting is an old european tactick of control and power. They stop for a while becuase they fuck eachother up during the world wars.
LORDNAG1 10 months ago
@LORDNAG1 thats right. and from colonial times.. no doubt. even america was conquered by the europeans. killed millions of Native American. so u are completely right. :) the west is europe and USA.
crackz123 10 months ago
@crackz123
Moreover, Allende was in bed with the KGB who assisted him and with Castro. I don t want to argue for the American support of the Pinochet regime, but avoiding that Chile is turned into another communist shitholes is a good and human motivation that helps the people. Pinochet saved the crippled economy by introducing market-oriented reforms. Chiles is economically most successful country of Latin America
joaquinveyron 6 months ago
@joaquinveyron i will continue to talk with u, when u get real informations and not such a propaganda bullshit.. u are still talking like in the cold war.. baaaaad baaaaad communists..thats why the life expectancy in cuba is _higher_ than in the USA hm? thats why the medical support and insurance system is way better in cuba than in the USA, hm?thats why the USA have to attack and control several countries via bribing and supporting their brutal dictators for power and profit.. wake up, idiot..
crackz123 6 months ago
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@crackz123 "e cold war.. baaaaad baaaaad communists..t"
Dipshit, what is propaganda about saying that communism is/was a NIGHTMARE and SHITHOLE whenever it was put in place??? It is mere HISTORICAL FACT!
"life expectancy in cuba is _higher_ than in the USA hm?"
Oh, yes, by one or two years. GREAT SUCCESS!!! :-) besides the fact that you cannot trust one inch of communistical statistics, a slightly higher life exp. is worthwile living ia COMMUNISTIC SHITHOLE like Cuba???? or what????
songunactivist 6 months ago
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@crackz123 "ontrol several countries via bribing and supporting their brutal dictators fo"
Dipshit, the USA have ffreed many countries of brutal dictators, you fucking idiot, or tried to in:
- Nazi Germany
- Vietnam
- Korea
- Eastern Europe
- SU
- the list is long, you brain amputated leftish monkey.
songunactivist 6 months ago
@crackz123 Even according to the Cuban government cubans live less longer than Americans.
quarterxchange 4 months ago
@quarterxchange ummm.. no? cuba: 78,9 USA:78,7 :>
crackz123 4 months ago
@crackz123 Sorry, I meant to say that the CIA factbook says that cubans live less longer. Anyhow, the numbers collected saying that Cubans live longer than Americans have all been reported by the communist Cuban government.
quarterxchange 4 months ago
@quarterxchange haha what are u talking about? these numbers are coming from the WORLD BANK. search in google.. so please.. dont talk shit.. and who cares about, what the CIA is sayin? haha.. they would never blame their own country. even the world bank is mostrly a american bank. and they are sayin this.. so check the facts..
crackz123 4 months ago
@quarterxchange ill send u the world bank link..
crackz123 4 months ago
@quarterxchange and u are tlaking about the "crime" nationalizing the companies and ressources?? ohhhh what a crime! . the most of the ressources was owned by companies of OTHER countries. especially the USA. and nobody wants, that the own ressources are being stolen from the country and brought out of the country. thats why a LOT of countries in latin ameirca are now nationalizing their ressources. they dont want to be exploited by US and international companies.. its that simple my friend.
crackz123 4 months ago
@quarterxchange but the greed for power and money , especially of the US companies and banks, is bringing their own country down now... the USA will go down because of its own selfish and inhuman behavior... and all around the world, more and more people are seeing that.. thats why they nationalize their ressources.. they want to use it for their own country, and dont want to be exploited by huge US and international companies.. globalization is a tool of the powerful men to exploit the world.
crackz123 4 months ago
again.. WORLD BANK SAYS: Life expectancy: CUBA: 78,9
USA:78,7
crackz123 4 months ago
@quarterxchange u should ask yourself.. how it comes, that cuba as even a slightly higher life expectancy then the usa, when they are sooo baaad and inhuman and not working for their people? how are they getting a slightly higher expectancy with less power and money? and there is a huge difference between USA and cuba.. cuba is a poor country, from the view of ressources and money.. explain me that..how they get a slightly higher life expectancy if they are soo bad and socialism is not working?
crackz123 4 months ago
@crackz123 Cuban communsim gives cubans a higher life expectancy than Americans according to the Cuban communist government. The WHO and World Bank don't have their own teams of investigators and researchers traveling from country to country collecting all the data behind life expectancy and infant mortality and deaths from cancer themselves. They simply ask the governments to send in their stats.
quarterxchange 4 months ago
@quarterxchange u got the real sources of the world bank from me ... so stop talking bullshit.. they dont just asking the government.. how naive are u?
crackz123 4 months ago
@quarterxchange i mean isnt that obvious that u are talking shit? first u say, that even the government of cuba is sayin that they citizen live less longer then american.. then i send u the numbers of the world bank and now u say the cuban government is sayin that the expectancy is higher and they are lying... dont u see , that u arent using any facts in ur argumentation ? just how it comes, u try to put the things in that way u want... without any facts or sources.. thats funny.. :>
crackz123 4 months ago
@quarterxchange if u think, that they just asking the government.. u are very naive.. but ignoring facts , which would destroy their own world view, is the standard line of a naive ignoramus... :) there are a lot of them in the USA.. in europe and other parts of the worlds too, but i think in the USA, the percentage of ignorant people is a bit higher :> because of the propaganda of the US media which is owned by a few huge and powerful lobbies which are only interested in their own profit.
crackz123 4 months ago
@crackz123 If cuban socialism is much more superior to American capitalism tell me why Cubans frequently attempt to escape from cuba. You're the idiot of the two of us. You take Cuban government stats as fact and point "Oh look (insert bogus organization) says cuba is better than the U.S!"
Account for the fact that Americans are in no hurry to escape to Cuba for free medical care and schooling while many cubans see it fit to run the risk of using makeshifr boats to get to Florida.
quarterxchange 4 months ago
@quarterxchange So you were saying that the World Health Organization with all of it's scientist's, United Nation's backing, collaboration with the World Bank, almost endless monetary disposal simply asks a country to supply their own data. Hmm, I don't think so man. Especially since you said that they are a communist country, therefor their not to be trusted; well i'm sure those organizations don't trust their statistics just as much as you do. So rest assured, they have their own investigators
msaalabi23 4 months ago