@elephanta2: I think that influenced Kraftwerk to make music in a similar fashion to Kluster, but their record label at the time Philips forced them to approach to a more commercial sounding to Experimental Music/Krautrock
@elephanta2: funnily enough I have the MP3 folder of that album but I haven't listened to it yet. In fact I'm more fond of Richard Pinhas's solo works than his contribution to his band.
@elephanta2: I like Pinhas's first album Rhizosphere. It has the traits of Heldon but I think riginailty has got to him than being in that band whilist recording that spectacular solo debut.
I especially like "Chronolyse", his most popular solo album is "Iceland". "Rhizosphere" is his most electronic work, I think. He established French electronics style on these albums.
@elephanta2: another album of his that I don't mind is East West. But according to Pinhas, he considers that album his least favourite work in his solo career.
If I remember rightly, "East West" is the early 80's album...I think that his solo albums are good until 1979 and after the 90's, I don't like his 80's albums because the sounds of them are too light and nothing special. Pinhas sometimes says a little strange things because he is a philosopher, haha!
@elephanta2: yes indeed it is an '80s album. Surely enough that album got to the point commercialism was to be achieved from him but several of his tracks were fine. but yeah, it is nothing special.
Yeah, I know some tracks are good. When he came to Japan to play with the world famous noise unit Merzbow (Masami Akita), I wanted to go, but I HAD NO MONEY.
I don't know but he had some concerts with Japanese avant-garde musicians, also he recommended to see the film "Zabrisky Point" (some songs are played by Pink Floyd as you know) at the French language and culture centre. If I remember rightly, he made an album with Merzbow "Keio Line" in Japan.
@elephanta2: I think I might've remembered that movie back in the mid-1990s when it was on TV. The songs from Pink Floyd wasn't as trippy as their previous soundtrack from More. Speaking of that soundtrack, I actually bought the CD a several months back and it was pretty much a prototype of their next album Obscured By Clouds.
@elephanta2: The Final Cut was the worst album Pink Floyd stumbled upon, and it was the last ever initial release of Harvest Records. Not many critics were too fond of that album simply because the band had new technology to shape up their musical elements.
When Right died, Waters said he was the key of PF sound and I think so...he was not a technician (all of the PF members except blues guitar feeling of David Gilmour were not technicians and it was good for their totality of the sound) but his sense of keyboards made their sound maginificent.
@elephanta2: the keyboards might have a nice feeling to that album but that didn't mean the album would convey to a greater concept just because they slightly changed their musical roots.
Oh yeah, I mentioned older their albums, not mentioned "The final Cut". I like Pink Floyd when they were called the king of underground, album is around 1971 and live is around 1973. "Dark Side Of The Moon" is of course not bad and it's a kind of perfect except Mason's drumming on "Any Colour You Like" (haha!), but I think it's "Pink Floyd meets Alan Persons", very pop like Hollywood movies.
@elephanta2: I like their live album Ummagumma. It was the first live show without Syd Barrett joining the band at all because he was way too drugged out to even perform a guitar lick and perform vocals altogether.
Yeah, 1969 is the golden year for the core PF fans. I want to get good recording condition of PF with Zappa on a stage on CD (LP released only). I also like psychedelic years of Syd Barrett, but I prefer later years of "Careful With That Axe, Eugene" and "Embryo". It is sure that Syd was overdoped, but I think Waters kiced out him of the band, because his sense of music is very different from Syd's (see "A Saucerful Of Secrets", this album deeply influenced with Jimi Hendrix to krautrock).
@elephanta2: funnily enough I have A Saucerful of Secrets on CD and to the listener's perspective, it was the first of the reasons why the avant-garde movement between Germany and UK were hateful to one another. Even Syd Barrett admitted the British bought it upon themselves when they insulted Germany's style of rock music in the late-60s. And if it wasn't for controversial radio shock jock John Peel when he boasted about Eberhard Schoener in 1967 this type of stupidity would not have happened.
@elephanta2: Conny Plank was perfectly aware on what John Peel said about Rock music in Germany and he thought it was funny than insulting. But for Eberhard Schoener, he was not aware of the insult until another four years later when he went from minimalist music with avant-garde rock influences to electronic music. So in respect, Pink Floyd's second album shown some styles of that genre.
Eberhatd Schoener played with pre members of The Police in the late 70's. Mason's drumming is the frame of "A Saucerful Of Secrets" and it sounds minimalistic...other member's insturmentals are improvising on it...this is a typical pattern of underground music, they first started it though many German followers surpassed "A Saucerful Of Secrets".
@elephanta2: German musicians in rock music would listen to a several of Pink Floyd's releases before trying to think of their own techniques in music to ensure PF themselves would be more influential when pointing out how to start a band that can be in the vein of pink Floyd - but needs to have originality to it.
@elephanta2: I knew all along Schoener did work with Sting on his 1978 classic Video Magic. But the funny thing was it never had any decent distribution at all let alone releasing the LP with no CD/cassette re-issue years later. I also didn't know that he worked with The Police before they even rose to fame haha.
By the way, 2 works of Schoener has imported from last year, I will get and upload them. I hope Aldebert von Deyen "Nordborg" and Wolfgang Bock "Cycles" are also released on CD (and Peak, hehe). Aldebert von Deyen has his own channel on YouTube.
@elephanta2: if Klaus Schulze caught the attention of Peak in the mid-80s, why didn't he bother releasing their first and only album? He could've gave them greater abilities to keep the band stable as possible.
I played this loudly in the car,and i eventually noiced something hanging off the bottom of the car,scraping along the motorway when i got out to check.I thought it was part of this track for about 20 minutes!
Kluster's haunting sounds are meant to invade people's brains. This is how Cosmic Music is supposed to be, to give it an ominous feel to it.
Ringvireot 1 week ago
Your words are appropriate...their sound invades deeply inside my brain!
elephanta2 1 week ago
@elephanta2: I think that influenced Kraftwerk to make music in a similar fashion to Kluster, but their record label at the time Philips forced them to approach to a more commercial sounding to Experimental Music/Krautrock
Ringvireot 1 week ago
Thanx for your information. Recently I uploaded Heldon "Interface" and I felt the album is influenced by Kraftwerk.
elephanta2 1 week ago
@elephanta2: funnily enough I have the MP3 folder of that album but I haven't listened to it yet. In fact I'm more fond of Richard Pinhas's solo works than his contribution to his band.
Ringvireot 1 week ago
Although I have only his 70's album, his recent solo works are nice, influenced by Fripp & Eno, Philip Glass and so on.
elephanta2 1 week ago
@elephanta2: I like Pinhas's first album Rhizosphere. It has the traits of Heldon but I think riginailty has got to him than being in that band whilist recording that spectacular solo debut.
Ringvireot 6 days ago
I especially like "Chronolyse", his most popular solo album is "Iceland". "Rhizosphere" is his most electronic work, I think. He established French electronics style on these albums.
elephanta2 3 days ago
@elephanta2: another album of his that I don't mind is East West. But according to Pinhas, he considers that album his least favourite work in his solo career.
Ringvireot 3 days ago
If I remember rightly, "East West" is the early 80's album...I think that his solo albums are good until 1979 and after the 90's, I don't like his 80's albums because the sounds of them are too light and nothing special. Pinhas sometimes says a little strange things because he is a philosopher, haha!
elephanta2 3 days ago
@elephanta2: yes indeed it is an '80s album. Surely enough that album got to the point commercialism was to be achieved from him but several of his tracks were fine. but yeah, it is nothing special.
Ringvireot 3 days ago
Yeah, I know some tracks are good. When he came to Japan to play with the world famous noise unit Merzbow (Masami Akita), I wanted to go, but I HAD NO MONEY.
elephanta2 3 days ago
@elephanta2: I wonder how long he was in Japan for?
Ringvireot 3 days ago
I don't know but he had some concerts with Japanese avant-garde musicians, also he recommended to see the film "Zabrisky Point" (some songs are played by Pink Floyd as you know) at the French language and culture centre. If I remember rightly, he made an album with Merzbow "Keio Line" in Japan.
elephanta2 3 days ago
@elephanta2: I think I might've remembered that movie back in the mid-1990s when it was on TV. The songs from Pink Floyd wasn't as trippy as their previous soundtrack from More. Speaking of that soundtrack, I actually bought the CD a several months back and it was pretty much a prototype of their next album Obscured By Clouds.
Ringvireot 3 days ago
The film is no good either except the last explosion scene with another version of "Careful With That Axe, Eugene".
elephanta2 3 days ago
@elephanta2: yeah well Pink Floyd was improving in music reverbs year-by-year until their disappointing album The Final Cut.
Ringvireot 3 days ago
I find they were approaching to Bob Dylan (in the vocal style) and new wave sound year by year, "The Final Cut" is too obvious.
elephanta2 3 days ago
@elephanta2: The Final Cut was the worst album Pink Floyd stumbled upon, and it was the last ever initial release of Harvest Records. Not many critics were too fond of that album simply because the band had new technology to shape up their musical elements.
Ringvireot 3 days ago
Rick Right opposed to release these damned songs, therefore he was kicked out by Roger Waters.
elephanta2 3 days ago
@elephanta2: I guess Right had a legitimate reason to oppose the songs been performed by them.
Ringvireot 3 days ago
When Right died, Waters said he was the key of PF sound and I think so...he was not a technician (all of the PF members except blues guitar feeling of David Gilmour were not technicians and it was good for their totality of the sound) but his sense of keyboards made their sound maginificent.
elephanta2 3 days ago
@elephanta2: the keyboards might have a nice feeling to that album but that didn't mean the album would convey to a greater concept just because they slightly changed their musical roots.
Ringvireot 3 days ago
Oh yeah, I mentioned older their albums, not mentioned "The final Cut". I like Pink Floyd when they were called the king of underground, album is around 1971 and live is around 1973. "Dark Side Of The Moon" is of course not bad and it's a kind of perfect except Mason's drumming on "Any Colour You Like" (haha!), but I think it's "Pink Floyd meets Alan Persons", very pop like Hollywood movies.
elephanta2 3 days ago
@elephanta2: I like their live album Ummagumma. It was the first live show without Syd Barrett joining the band at all because he was way too drugged out to even perform a guitar lick and perform vocals altogether.
Ringvireot 3 days ago
Yeah, 1969 is the golden year for the core PF fans. I want to get good recording condition of PF with Zappa on a stage on CD (LP released only). I also like psychedelic years of Syd Barrett, but I prefer later years of "Careful With That Axe, Eugene" and "Embryo". It is sure that Syd was overdoped, but I think Waters kiced out him of the band, because his sense of music is very different from Syd's (see "A Saucerful Of Secrets", this album deeply influenced with Jimi Hendrix to krautrock).
elephanta2 3 days ago
@elephanta2: funnily enough I have A Saucerful of Secrets on CD and to the listener's perspective, it was the first of the reasons why the avant-garde movement between Germany and UK were hateful to one another. Even Syd Barrett admitted the British bought it upon themselves when they insulted Germany's style of rock music in the late-60s. And if it wasn't for controversial radio shock jock John Peel when he boasted about Eberhard Schoener in 1967 this type of stupidity would not have happened.
Ringvireot 3 days ago
Oh? Kraut means sour, yeah, Brit insulted German rock, but later their rock were greatly influenced by Can, Neu!, La Dusseldorf and Conny Plank.
elephanta2 3 days ago
@elephanta2: Conny Plank was perfectly aware on what John Peel said about Rock music in Germany and he thought it was funny than insulting. But for Eberhard Schoener, he was not aware of the insult until another four years later when he went from minimalist music with avant-garde rock influences to electronic music. So in respect, Pink Floyd's second album shown some styles of that genre.
Ringvireot 3 days ago
Eberhatd Schoener played with pre members of The Police in the late 70's. Mason's drumming is the frame of "A Saucerful Of Secrets" and it sounds minimalistic...other member's insturmentals are improvising on it...this is a typical pattern of underground music, they first started it though many German followers surpassed "A Saucerful Of Secrets".
elephanta2 3 days ago
@elephanta2: German musicians in rock music would listen to a several of Pink Floyd's releases before trying to think of their own techniques in music to ensure PF themselves would be more influential when pointing out how to start a band that can be in the vein of pink Floyd - but needs to have originality to it.
Ringvireot 3 days ago
@elephanta2: I knew all along Schoener did work with Sting on his 1978 classic Video Magic. But the funny thing was it never had any decent distribution at all let alone releasing the LP with no CD/cassette re-issue years later. I also didn't know that he worked with The Police before they even rose to fame haha.
Ringvireot 3 days ago
By the way, 2 works of Schoener has imported from last year, I will get and upload them. I hope Aldebert von Deyen "Nordborg" and Wolfgang Bock "Cycles" are also released on CD (and Peak, hehe). Aldebert von Deyen has his own channel on YouTube.
elephanta2 2 days ago
@elephanta2: I'm more anticipated in Peak's CD re-issues by far. :D
Ringvireot 2 days ago
They are very nice, my best Ausie band!
elephanta2 1 day ago
@elephanta2: if Klaus Schulze caught the attention of Peak in the mid-80s, why didn't he bother releasing their first and only album? He could've gave them greater abilities to keep the band stable as possible.
Ringvireot 28 minutes ago
I played this loudly in the car,and i eventually noiced something hanging off the bottom of the car,scraping along the motorway when i got out to check.I thought it was part of this track for about 20 minutes!
nizxbit 4 months ago
Kluster's noisy sound invades deeply inside my brain...let's have a safty drive.
elephanta2 4 months ago
Thanks!
depechemodevilla 5 months ago
Thanks for listening!
elephanta2 5 months ago