@umgajokualker This has been demonstrated to be a camera trick and he has even admitted in an interview that whilst he said he doesn't use camera tricks as a rule it doesn't mean he won't or even has since he made that statement.
@umgajokualker He has only said a few times in the past that he doesn't use camera tricks. He never said it at the start of this programme and it's so simple a child could explain how this trick was done with a split screen system. It was viral on the internet THE NIGHT it was broadcast by some guy who explained it with a very neat video. If not, how did he do it and why do it any other way when it's so easily done with a split screen?
@RockySeven7 two reasons. one it wasnt a genuine prediction. it was a trick and two, you cant legally announce the lottery numbers before time. the bbc wouldnt have allowed it
@RockySeven7 It's that simple. Why wait for them to be read out? Oh I know, because he used a camera trick to write the numbers on the balls AFTER they were called. I liked Derren Brown and have seen him live several time but IMO he sunk too low on this 'trick'.
Doesn't matter how he did it, I'm sure all of us here would have buen much more impressed if he did his 'oh so famous' envelope in pocket before the show starts, taking it out as soon as the lottery numbers appear and showing us all the 'correct' numbers.
It was a motion control camera. As you say, right at the end when he's saying the numbers 28 and 35 the camera suddenly becomes completely still for almost 2 seconds (though your reason is incorrect). This happens as literally a second after this Derren walks to the left so the motion control has to be turned off to allow for manual operation of the camera to follow him since this moment couldn't be scripted ahead into the camera as the length of the broadcast couldn't be known before it aired.
Captain Dillusion's chanel goes into a little more detail as to how the overlay could have been done and about the equipment that was probably used - viewers might find it informative - though skip to parts 4 and 5 - the rest is not relevant.
Now that I think of it, overlay is probably how he did it. I have a logitech webcam and its not too hard to "hide" a person in live video. The hard part must have been matching the position of the podium.
yep, this was exactly my guess as well. The movement jsut seemed wrong, I can't say why, but it doesn't look like the camera is held by a real person. I think it has something to do with the "easing" of the movement. Here it starts and stops too abruptly.
in my opinion your explanation seems very plausible, unlicky what a guy a couple of comments before said... Derren himself says that all his "stunts" if you can call them that are based on illusion, misdirection, amongst other things and this seems a very good and clear example of that.
there was no camera stunt or trick, he did it using the method he had shown on television! He pretended to have had a stooge on the show to again; keep people guessing and talking that way theyd watch the other shows...
Well he performed it and now everyone is trying to guess his method. As far as DB is concerned his work here is done! It was a great tv moment and had me stumped!
Why would Derren not use split screen trickery? good question. Because there isn't one person in the world stupid enough to not have realised that it was a possibility. A child could work out split screen trickery. It is basic to the extent that it would ruin his career if it was discovered that he had sunk that low. That is why he probably didn't use a split screen.
The best tricks are the simple one that you can't see. Correct. But everyone can see that this may have been a split screen trick
Sure, there are obvious ways he could have done it, but it is naive to assume that he used those methods just because they're the only ones that we can think of. We're not magicians, so of course we can't comprehend anything other than a basic camera trick. I don't think that there is anyone in the country who didn't consider the split screen method, but it's far too obvious. Why would Derren Brown do a trick that millions of people, kids included, can work out in a matter of seconds?
You actually think that fully grown adults are stupid enough to believe that someone can guess the lottery numbers? did these people have severe down syndrome? So many people watched it because Derren has a reputation of doing decent magic. People liked it because it was a clever trick, not a camera trick. The false explanation bit was supposed to be obvious nonsense, it keeps people guessing how he did the trick. Nobody knows for sure, not unless they were there. Where you there?
The split screen method is basic, it's very basic and easy to execute flawlessly. You can achieve a perfect split screen deception with a simple editing programme like Premiere. A child could mastermind a split screen trick. There is very little to set up, all you need to do is ensure that light levels don't vary. The Camera is still, so it is incredibly easy to do
Nobody was amazed by this. Nobody's stupid enough to think that it's possible to predict the lottery. Brown wouldn't stood so low
Everyone has made a split screen video in their life. Derren Brown wouldn't do a trick as simple as split screen. Little kids do split screen tricks on their digital cameras. It's far too obvious. Derren Brown is a professional illusionist, he doesn't do camera trickery. Why would he risk his reputation with such a basic plot. There is more chance of winning the lottery than Derren Brown using camera trickery, if you'll excuse the pun.
at 41 seconds the cameraman is close to Derren, but after the switch the camera is further back from Derren even though he stood still. I doubt very much that the camera just zoomed out and focused again that fast.
Its a nice theory, but i managed to see a few things in this video that you were wrong about, the arm thing for example. If you were to slow it down or watch it bit by bit you see that it is in perfect sync. but you might have a point on some of the other point, but i don't think it's how he did it. personaly i dont think he did it either, the idea of comming up with a order of randomness conflicts with the word"Random"XD
at 0:15 he says" tonight " thats evidence that its pre recorded piece of footage becuase if it were LIVE most people would say "in just a few moments"
I think you are correct here. The camera trick is the simplest explanation. Why a hand held camera and empty studio, if not to misdirect? His elaborate explanation is all in fun and adds a dazzling element to the trick. I enjoy his antics.
Really weird that when he says "Twenty-three" the ball on the far left kinda moves up :/ i think there are possibly two shots being blended in here. Disappointed. Although it could be genuine, which would be amazing.
This isn't the way he did it. A respected magician like Derren Brown wouldn't stoop so low as to perform a camera trick as basic and obvious as this hypothesis. Everyone consider this method, it is incredibly simple, but Derren Brown wouldn't insult his reputation with amateur camera trickery.
You're wrong. Derren Brown is a professional magician, you're not supposed to know how its done. There a five other options which have been proposed, and all are plausible. I won't copy and paste them, they're detailed and too big to fit in the box
This was not a camera trick. Derren brown would never stoop to such a level. This is hardly a hypothesis. Everyone who watched it considered the split screen idea, it is incredibly basic. Derren Brown would not do a trick that a toddler could work out
Nobody thinks that it's a camera trick. Just a few idiots who can't comprehend anything more advanced, and some very young children. You can't post links on here, so I'll send a link as a personal message with a link that explores clever options
It hasn't 'been busted'. If you or I knew how he did the trick, then we'd be a famous magician, not him. He is a professional magician, we're just a couple of nobodies. Of course we can't work out the trick
I work in film and TV and every single professional I've spoken to aggrees this is how the trick was done. It has been recreated umpteen times on the internet in the exact same way. If it were any more complex then he would have shown the numbers to the people in the room or had them turned around before the numbers came out. The reason people are upset at Brown is because it is so stupid and simple. It's basic because the trick WAS basic!
@noiseache I agree that this is a possible way it could have been done, but the fact also is that Derren himself has said multiple times that he does not use camera tricks and never has. That point is what leads me to suspicions because why would he use camera tricks now when there is a clear point that he doesnt do that?
@DJSeba It's irrefutable now and the cat is out of the bag on this one, my version is a little different than how he actually did it, the camera shake was done in post and not with a big MC system. But that's why I made this vid because he always kept on about how he never used camera tricks but here he clearly did. However he did say that many years ago and perhaps he's now had to stoop to this level now he's done all he can via his initial approach.
I wondered why Derren didn't show the group who 'chose the numbers' his final choice of lottery numbers - he kept it secret. Also, why switch to that camera at the back of the room? There's no need for it. I questioned that when I watched this live.
Derren Brown is an illusionist. None of hes tricks require debunking :). He does not claim to have some paranormal powers. Vice versa LOL: He educates people to think critically in hes shows (ones I seen).
So, what this video means? That he is a cheater? I don't get it.
one thing for sure, it would be to easy for him to do this at that way... you've look when the numbers of the lottery are coming out, he is standing all this time with his hands before his mouth. Its suggest he is saying something.
i just got lost in that explanation!!! i love derren brown but i think that trick was a bit pointless, wasting all the time and money to prove that he cant win the lottery without the help of camera tricks...and besides if he cud predict the lottery then he wud be a billionaire by now! and he said it took him a year there are billions of different combinations so how wud he of know that that one prediction he made was the right one??? why did he choose that combination to all the others??
exactly, the 2nd camera at the back was no use and almost all of the viewers forget about it. it is therefore there for a very good reason. it allowed derren to cut from camera 1 to camera 2 discretely, so that when it cut back to camera 1 the feed can be switched from recorded to live. why? because camera 1 before the switch was hand held, camera "1" (which is actually camera 3) is motion controlled by a computer. This meant that everything before the cut to camera 2 was pre recorded
He made a mistake at 4:00 - 4:02, but saying glamorous assistant TWICE. That is either a cue or a slip of the tongue as he was watching HIS assistant.
since it was live, there was no need to have the balls faced backwards, as it is too late for anyone to buy a ticket out of them. therefore having the balls facing the camera during the draw will show that he has predicted something. otherwise, there is absolutely enough time for a split screen trick to occur, which is what happened
Precisely. He had nothing to lose by showing us and the secret audience/team the numbers in advance but of course, having relied on a camera trick, he couldn't!
This is how he does it! It's simply a split-camera technique. So just a camera trick in the end!
If you look closely on a big screen you will see that the six white balls throughout the first part of the broadcast are all in an even line and ironically there is a line of black bricks on the wall behind which acts like a ruler.
Now after the last ball has been dropped if you look very carefully you can see that the ball on the left end has become slightly raised against the others and against the black bricks on the wall behind.
When Derren Brown turns the tray around you can clearly see that the ball on the end (now the right end) which is number 39 is slightly higher than the others as it has not been placed in the tray properly.
The apparent semi-success of the 24 members of the group predicting previous lotteries is another independent scam to give some sort of false explanation for the prediction.
So TWO scams together and the whole thing nothing more than a conjuring trick to mislead and misdirect people - and play on their greed and gullibility!
Type in derren brown's lottery trick - possible solution to see Internet Animator Cyriak show you how its done!
Good video explaining, its how i guessed it was done. Dont think it takes away from the trick, as it is a trick, and Derren did entertain us so it worked.
If it's a cheap bit of camera trickery (which it is) Derren would naturaly have expected people to feel cheated if he told us straight up that that is how it was done. Which is exactly why he felt the need to tease by presenting 3 different explenations for us to choose from. Science demands Parsimony in its explenations which is exactly why the 'camera trick' explanation is the only rational one to favour.
I doubt it was a camera trick. Could have been, but I just personally doubt it. I'm considering the possibility of him fixing the machine, like he showed on the Friday show. But I suppose we'll never really know, which is the great and annoying thing about these tricks!
Yeah, I'm not really sure, but camera trickery just seems unlikely. It sort of seems below him, but then I don't believe he actually predicted it, so yeah! :p
The shot from the camera at the back of the room has one function: to establish int the mind of the viewer that the camera we see the rest of the footage from is in fact handheld. This, coupled with the wobble, is meant to keep our minds off any thoughts like "motion-control camera". Clever enough, but it would have worked better if we'd seen even just one more shot from that angle (although that would probably have been really easy to screw up).
This is definitely the best theory I've seen. I didn't notice the complete stand-stills until you pointed them out. You may also notice the floor has been marked where Derren is standing during the draw. Possibly to make sure he doesn't move inside the overlay?
One more suggestion: when he is standing in silence with his hand over his mouth, he might be doing this (deliberately not talking) because his mike has been switched off, to avoid picking up any noise made by the assistant. We can hear the sound from the bbc feed throughout, but maybe that sound is a direct feed from the live bbc broadcast (instead of it being picked up from his TV by his mike). Note that when he turned the TV on, we heard the sound several seconds before seeing the picture.
you're right, even a retard would know that he didn't really do it and that there was something wrong with it. i understand it's a trick, but he has indefinitely lied to the whole nation, and in my eyes thats not a good role model.
Well, it is only entertainment after all. Anyone thinking Derren has powers beyond being a clever illusionist is potty. It's a trick, and a very clever one. Good luck Derren.
I knew there was something dodgy when I watched it live, and listening to the bollocks he came out with on friday (taking an average of 24 guesses, what a load of shit! I used to like derren brown, now I think he's a lying cock-sucking twat and should've fucked up when he was 'playing russian roulette'. But then, that was a load of bollocks too! Thanks noiseache, I reckon you're spot on.
It looks like theres an invisible box-like between the TV and balls.. even if not its easy to tell this is a camera trick from the props and stuff you see why such a big studio
Also the lotto machines stop at 7.30 , its not like anyone can take advantage of the numbers being shown or pulled out of a sealed Envelope like his other guess tricks
He just likes to showcase big events and hog peoples attention to how it was done with great difficulty when in fact its just a damn simple camera trick
There is a split screen between the tv and White balls on stand because you can see that the black wire on the floor has been cut in half - it doesn't go anywhere ....?!?!
when he says the number 23 the far left ball rises, watch carefully!!! its a hoax!!!!!! watch a few times and you can see it when he reads the numbers in order!!!!!!!!!!!!
This explanation seems pretty air tight to me. If this was all filmed with a guy holding the camera and not a motion controlled rig then how would he have been able to hold it absolutely dead still like that?
1- the balls are electronic!! There was abseloubtly no in depth shot at the balls.
2- Derren suspiciously has his hand over his mouth whalst the balls are being called- possibly talking in a microphone or something.
to back my second point up- he said how he didnt try to predict the bonus ball- and takes his hand away from his mouth as soon as the 5th balls been called and doesnt wait for the bonus ball.
It was obvious from the second he started to me. I just cant believe channel 4 expect people to believe such bullshit, but hopefully they might be investigated soon :)
I mean people... obvious it's not real. If someone could predict the lottery, they would be making millions not telling people about it. It's a very good trick nonetheless.
Okay, forget all the technical crap. Derren Brown is renowned for his simplest solutions i.e. Occam's razor, the simplest solution is the right one.
He had an insider swap the balls. It guarantees the result he wants in the simplest way. All the clips of 24 guessing people was just a smoke screen (alibi) for what was effectively an illegal act (fixing the machine).
well if you're right, very soon the focus will change from "Derren Brown guessed the lottery numbers" to "Derren Brown has been put in prison, for breaking and entering, theft, fraud and counterfeiting."
Do you honestly think rigging a govenment regulated lottery is both easier to achieve and less risky than performing about 5 minutes of live video manipulation that would have been carefully rehearsed and perfected long long before the public ever caught wiff of "the events"?
I appreciate your point, and you may well be right but it seems like a cheap victory if it is all camera work. There isn't really any skill involved. Which is why I believe he wouldn't do it. His tricks are normally very skilful from what I've seen.
Having included this in the film, the camera needn't have actually stopped but I think it was a safety precaution in case something didn't line up.
As has been shown this could have been digitally manipulated or in fact had the overall shake effect added AFTER a traditional static split screen shot was made.
watch the ball on the far left very closely. There all in line but between 5:38 and 5:42 it risesabove the rest and this can be seen when the balls are turned around (the ball on the right)
Could this be a morph from the split screen into the real screen
Your 100% SPOT ON... Can't stand people who belive it.
His "Theory" is based on people guessing the weight of an ox, all guess's put together and divided by the amount of people. Well they would be educated guess's.. the lottery is completley random, it really does not matter how many people are guessing them.
ohh and 5:29 ... derren has a cheeky glance of his mate finishing putting the new balls in.
the left ball raises slighty when the pre-recorded and the live feed switches, silly magicians little helper XD. what p's me off is him babbaling on friday making up complete bull****
At 5:46 he stops, he starts to move to the left of the screen and pauses for a few minutes, as if he is waiting for confirmation, who does this? Who walks somewhere and then stops dead, pauses and then carries on for no reason ?
you never know, it could have taken a year for him to move from the basic idea of appearing to predict the lottery, to actually knowing exactly how to pull it off.
although thats not really a detail worth worrying about
Hey I'm thinking... if it is a split screen camera trick, how come when you flick to the before and after shots, the light on the FAR RIGHT SIDE (right of the fire exit) also moves by a corresponding amount? So don't you think that its highly possible that the cameraman moved the camera slightly, so that you see the "movement" in the height of the ball?
How would he put the balls in the correct order, there is a short period off time after the last ball is revealed, so how could the assistant put the balls in order that quick before Derren moves to the left hand side of the screen
The assistant could keep the balls in order as they're revealed. When the final ball is revealed all the assistant has to do is put it in the correct spot, moving aside the other balls. With a little practice beforehand it could easily be done in the time available.
they would probably place them in numerical order as they were called out, no difficulty in that, just taking extreme care not to knock any out of the tray etc.
this is what derren wanted the attention he's a fake scam i feel cheated everytime he has some sort of show on he's getting rich by making these scams it's ridiculous
also why did he have to wait till the results were shown, if they were a prediction then he is breaking no law in showing the numbers before we see them come out on the screen!
The card is simple. The assistant is putting the balls in numerical order. Therefore he cannnot put a single ball in until he nows the correct order. That's where the card comes in. When all 6 numbers are revealed, the assistant puts the balls in. Derren writes down the numbers on the card to give the assistant time to do it.
This is how he does it! It's simply a split-camera technique. So just a camera trick in the end!
If you look closely on a big screen you will see that the six white balls throughout the first part of the broadcast are all in an even line and ironically there is a line of black bricks on the wall behind which acts like a ruler.
Now after the last ball has been dropped if you look very carefully you can see that the ball on the left end has become slightly raised against the others and against the black bricks on the wall behind.
When Derren Brown turns the tray around you can clearly see that the ball on the end (now the right end) which is number 39 is slightly higher than the others as it has not been placed in the tray properly.
The apparent semi-success of the 24 members of the group predicting previous lotteries is another independent scam to give some sort of false explanation for the prediction.
So TWO scams together and the whole thing nothing more than a conjuring trick to mislead and misdirect people - and play on their greed and gullibility!
See notorious internet Animator Cyriak on the Charlotte Gore website to see how he did it. In fact, he demonstrated it working!
Logic tells us that if this man could predict lottery numbers he wouldn't be tarting around on a third rate television programme but would be the richest man in the world, having repeatedly won every single lottery on the planet.
oh i see exactly what you mean, on the right hand side derren is 100% live, but on the right hand side its a re-ran video, simple split tool in most premium video editing software. so when the draw has been announced, someone will go and change the balls but all we see is the re-run i,e nothing then when he walks over live, it will have the right numbers on it.
dude.. darren NEVER uses camera tricks!! everyone can do camera trikcs... it's too easy
umgajokualker 1 month ago
@umgajokualker This has been demonstrated to be a camera trick and he has even admitted in an interview that whilst he said he doesn't use camera tricks as a rule it doesn't mean he won't or even has since he made that statement.
noiseache 1 month ago
@noiseache if that was true, derren was in trouble, because noone will believe him, every time he says that: "there are no camera tricks here!"
everything he does will be camera tricks for every one.. think about that
umgajokualker 1 month ago
@umgajokualker He has only said a few times in the past that he doesn't use camera tricks. He never said it at the start of this programme and it's so simple a child could explain how this trick was done with a split screen system. It was viral on the internet THE NIGHT it was broadcast by some guy who explained it with a very neat video. If not, how did he do it and why do it any other way when it's so easily done with a split screen?
noiseache 1 month ago
@noiseache he explain how he did it... and when he do so, he said:"this is how I did it!! you may choose if you believe it or not.. its up to you"..
umgajokualker 1 month ago
if it was a genuine prediction, why didn't he show his predicted numbers in advance?
RockySeven7 1 year ago
@RockySeven7 two reasons. one it wasnt a genuine prediction. it was a trick and two, you cant legally announce the lottery numbers before time. the bbc wouldnt have allowed it
evejunkie1942 9 months ago
@RockySeven7 It's that simple. Why wait for them to be read out? Oh I know, because he used a camera trick to write the numbers on the balls AFTER they were called. I liked Derren Brown and have seen him live several time but IMO he sunk too low on this 'trick'.
noiseache 1 month ago
@votshtoyalyoobloo haha nice :P
eyeshalfclosed 1 year ago
Doesn't matter how he did it, I'm sure all of us here would have buen much more impressed if he did his 'oh so famous' envelope in pocket before the show starts, taking it out as soon as the lottery numbers appear and showing us all the 'correct' numbers.
AussieVu92 1 year ago
It was a motion control camera. As you say, right at the end when he's saying the numbers 28 and 35 the camera suddenly becomes completely still for almost 2 seconds (though your reason is incorrect). This happens as literally a second after this Derren walks to the left so the motion control has to be turned off to allow for manual operation of the camera to follow him since this moment couldn't be scripted ahead into the camera as the length of the broadcast couldn't be known before it aired.
Halopend 1 year ago
He stops at at 5:46 and then start to walk again .... He was probably afraid that they had not removed the split screen
SkipThatNow 2 years ago
I bet he said "no tampering going on" just as the assistant was clearing the decoy balls off the rack to make room for the ones with numbers on them.
HebaruSan 2 years ago
Captain Dillusion's chanel goes into a little more detail as to how the overlay could have been done and about the equipment that was probably used - viewers might find it informative - though skip to parts 4 and 5 - the rest is not relevant.
hossoneninesixtwo 2 years ago
Now that I think of it, overlay is probably how he did it. I have a logitech webcam and its not too hard to "hide" a person in live video. The hard part must have been matching the position of the podium.
thelegendarypaki 2 years ago
motion control lol yes that would be the easiest way to do it...defo not just put it on after hey DUHHHH
BrightonTom23 2 years ago
@BrightonTom23 it was live?!
danibayliss 2 years ago
yep, this was exactly my guess as well. The movement jsut seemed wrong, I can't say why, but it doesn't look like the camera is held by a real person. I think it has something to do with the "easing" of the movement. Here it starts and stops too abruptly.
Numendil 2 years ago
in my opinion your explanation seems very plausible, unlicky what a guy a couple of comments before said... Derren himself says that all his "stunts" if you can call them that are based on illusion, misdirection, amongst other things and this seems a very good and clear example of that.
Kduruh 2 years ago
6:11
Look at the way he says 39, he knows the ball is higher than it should be
zooomm 2 years ago
you explain nothing
Tinfoiloid 2 years ago
there was no camera stunt or trick, he did it using the method he had shown on television! He pretended to have had a stooge on the show to again; keep people guessing and talking that way theyd watch the other shows...
solidserpant 2 years ago 2
but he's said before he doesn't believe in all that physcic bull. I think that was just a cover story! :P
ToxicManiac1992 2 years ago 4
Well he performed it and now everyone is trying to guess his method. As far as DB is concerned his work here is done! It was a great tv moment and had me stumped!
taphoenix 2 years ago
Why would Derren not use split screen trickery? good question. Because there isn't one person in the world stupid enough to not have realised that it was a possibility. A child could work out split screen trickery. It is basic to the extent that it would ruin his career if it was discovered that he had sunk that low. That is why he probably didn't use a split screen.
The best tricks are the simple one that you can't see. Correct. But everyone can see that this may have been a split screen trick
moodini99 2 years ago
Sure, there are obvious ways he could have done it, but it is naive to assume that he used those methods just because they're the only ones that we can think of. We're not magicians, so of course we can't comprehend anything other than a basic camera trick. I don't think that there is anyone in the country who didn't consider the split screen method, but it's far too obvious. Why would Derren Brown do a trick that millions of people, kids included, can work out in a matter of seconds?
moodini99 2 years ago
You actually think that fully grown adults are stupid enough to believe that someone can guess the lottery numbers? did these people have severe down syndrome? So many people watched it because Derren has a reputation of doing decent magic. People liked it because it was a clever trick, not a camera trick. The false explanation bit was supposed to be obvious nonsense, it keeps people guessing how he did the trick. Nobody knows for sure, not unless they were there. Where you there?
moodini99 2 years ago
Maybe, he did fix the lottery with an inside man like he briefly spoke about at the end of his show, and he's mocking the BBC.
Myk44 2 years ago
The split screen method is basic, it's very basic and easy to execute flawlessly. You can achieve a perfect split screen deception with a simple editing programme like Premiere. A child could mastermind a split screen trick. There is very little to set up, all you need to do is ensure that light levels don't vary. The Camera is still, so it is incredibly easy to do
Nobody was amazed by this. Nobody's stupid enough to think that it's possible to predict the lottery. Brown wouldn't stood so low
moodini99 2 years ago
Everyone has made a split screen video in their life. Derren Brown wouldn't do a trick as simple as split screen. Little kids do split screen tricks on their digital cameras. It's far too obvious. Derren Brown is a professional illusionist, he doesn't do camera trickery. Why would he risk his reputation with such a basic plot. There is more chance of winning the lottery than Derren Brown using camera trickery, if you'll excuse the pun.
moodini99 2 years ago
at 41 seconds the cameraman is close to Derren, but after the switch the camera is further back from Derren even though he stood still. I doubt very much that the camera just zoomed out and focused again that fast.
domparis1978 2 years ago
Its a nice theory, but i managed to see a few things in this video that you were wrong about, the arm thing for example. If you were to slow it down or watch it bit by bit you see that it is in perfect sync. but you might have a point on some of the other point, but i don't think it's how he did it. personaly i dont think he did it either, the idea of comming up with a order of randomness conflicts with the word"Random"XD
sk8rhog 2 years ago
Check again, I've watched it many times and the hand movement does not match.
I don't understand the rest of your post.
noiseache 2 years ago
at 0:15 he says" tonight " thats evidence that its pre recorded piece of footage becuase if it were LIVE most people would say "in just a few moments"
Busher50 2 years ago
What? That is a thing called word choice, Also MOST people don't predict the lottery either so it's stupid to compare him.
EnrichmentCenter 2 years ago
ye but he is trying to make us believe he can
Busher50 2 years ago
I think you are correct here. The camera trick is the simplest explanation. Why a hand held camera and empty studio, if not to misdirect? His elaborate explanation is all in fun and adds a dazzling element to the trick. I enjoy his antics.
jamesrobertdobbs 2 years ago
Really weird that when he says "Twenty-three" the ball on the far left kinda moves up :/ i think there are possibly two shots being blended in here. Disappointed. Although it could be genuine, which would be amazing.
Xurbia0 2 years ago
See my related film/responses to this. You'll see it all there...
noiseache 2 years ago
This isn't the way he did it. A respected magician like Derren Brown wouldn't stoop so low as to perform a camera trick as basic and obvious as this hypothesis. Everyone consider this method, it is incredibly simple, but Derren Brown wouldn't insult his reputation with amateur camera trickery.
moodini99 2 years ago
sadly he did and if you want to offer up another hypothesis that, like mine, holds water, please do.
There's no other way he did it and by explaining it I would have thought it was quite clear it was a camera trick.
noiseache 2 years ago
You're wrong. Derren Brown is a professional magician, you're not supposed to know how its done. There a five other options which have been proposed, and all are plausible. I won't copy and paste them, they're detailed and too big to fit in the box
This was not a camera trick. Derren brown would never stoop to such a level. This is hardly a hypothesis. Everyone who watched it considered the split screen idea, it is incredibly basic. Derren Brown would not do a trick that a toddler could work out
moodini99 2 years ago
Give me some links then. The whole world knows this was a camera trick now...it's been busted. Where were you?
noiseache 2 years ago
Nobody thinks that it's a camera trick. Just a few idiots who can't comprehend anything more advanced, and some very young children. You can't post links on here, so I'll send a link as a personal message with a link that explores clever options
It hasn't 'been busted'. If you or I knew how he did the trick, then we'd be a famous magician, not him. He is a professional magician, we're just a couple of nobodies. Of course we can't work out the trick
Why put up a video as basic as this anyway?
moodini99 2 years ago
I work in film and TV and every single professional I've spoken to aggrees this is how the trick was done. It has been recreated umpteen times on the internet in the exact same way. If it were any more complex then he would have shown the numbers to the people in the room or had them turned around before the numbers came out. The reason people are upset at Brown is because it is so stupid and simple. It's basic because the trick WAS basic!
noiseache 2 years ago
@noiseache I agree that this is a possible way it could have been done, but the fact also is that Derren himself has said multiple times that he does not use camera tricks and never has. That point is what leads me to suspicions because why would he use camera tricks now when there is a clear point that he doesnt do that?
DJSeba 1 year ago
@DJSeba It's irrefutable now and the cat is out of the bag on this one, my version is a little different than how he actually did it, the camera shake was done in post and not with a big MC system. But that's why I made this vid because he always kept on about how he never used camera tricks but here he clearly did. However he did say that many years ago and perhaps he's now had to stoop to this level now he's done all he can via his initial approach.
noiseache 1 year ago
I wondered why Derren didn't show the group who 'chose the numbers' his final choice of lottery numbers - he kept it secret. Also, why switch to that camera at the back of the room? There's no need for it. I questioned that when I watched this live.
Mubble 2 years ago
Derren Brown is an illusionist. None of hes tricks require debunking :). He does not claim to have some paranormal powers. Vice versa LOL: He educates people to think critically in hes shows (ones I seen).
So, what this video means? That he is a cheater? I don't get it.
ricardas83 2 years ago
This video means, some years ago Mr. Brown made a big deal about not using camera tricks.
He's now reduced to said camera tricks which are not big and they are not clever.
noiseache 2 years ago
Oh, I see. Didn't knew that.
ricardas83 2 years ago
but he did mention "in numerical order" which turned out to be true!!!
How??
lunurulz 2 years ago
he did it... there is a way 2 change 1 side of the clip, but u need a steady camera, moron!
McHale09 2 years ago
didnt he say how he did it?? seems silly to waste a year on something that isnt real xx
MatzahBri 2 years ago
He only told the viewers it took a year. In reality it was probably a couple of hours with a visual effects expert.
noiseache 2 years ago
one thing for sure, it would be to easy for him to do this at that way... you've look when the numbers of the lottery are coming out, he is standing all this time with his hands before his mouth. Its suggest he is saying something.
daslaan 2 years ago
if it was a trick as you say.
why did he not predict the bonus ball to make more impressive
GamingHippo 2 years ago
i agree with demon sheep22
joshcena12 2 years ago
thank you :D
DemonSheep22 2 years ago
probably the best explanation I've seen on here.
Makes perfect sense and you can see the ball on the far left rise a little when he says "twenty-three" when writing it down on his board.
clidbury 2 years ago
i just got lost in that explanation!!! i love derren brown but i think that trick was a bit pointless, wasting all the time and money to prove that he cant win the lottery without the help of camera tricks...and besides if he cud predict the lottery then he wud be a billionaire by now! and he said it took him a year there are billions of different combinations so how wud he of know that that one prediction he made was the right one??? why did he choose that combination to all the others??
JaydieLovesTV 2 years ago
this video is complet bullshit
DemonSheep22 2 years ago
you try to explain it then. it makes perfect sense
nevloow 2 years ago
Yeah I agree, Derren Brown is a Charlatan. Guessing the lottery numbers my arse!
noiseache 2 years ago
Check out Derren's weird cum noise at 5.37. Only noticed it when trying to see if the ball moves. I think it doesn't. SHE thinks it does
iknowtheyellowone 2 years ago
so where in the vid do the balls get swapped? :S
iBeNj0o 2 years ago
In this video you should notice the rising of the left-hand white ball at 5:41 or when DB says the THREE of Twenty-Three.
This is when the left hand side of the frame (which includes the balls) becomes live again with the new set of balls in place.
So the switch takes place in the 20 seconds or so between the last ball coming out and the switch-over to live on the stroke of Thwety-THREE !!!
leonskie1 2 years ago
why wud you need the second camera man ? only 1 is used
BatXDude 2 years ago
To make you think the whole show was being filmed by the hand held camera guy...
noiseache 2 years ago
exactly, the 2nd camera at the back was no use and almost all of the viewers forget about it. it is therefore there for a very good reason. it allowed derren to cut from camera 1 to camera 2 discretely, so that when it cut back to camera 1 the feed can be switched from recorded to live. why? because camera 1 before the switch was hand held, camera "1" (which is actually camera 3) is motion controlled by a computer. This meant that everything before the cut to camera 2 was pre recorded
clanOT 2 years ago 2
but wot about the live link to the bbc lottery
BatXDude 2 years ago
it was live.. everything before the cut to camera 2 was recorded, after the cut was genuine live
clanOT 2 years ago
nice vid
james15030 2 years ago
Yep.. at 5:40 (when he says 'Twenty THREE'), the left most ball moves up slightly... the moment the image overlay is removed. Clever though eh?
simonboundyUK 2 years ago
Yes check out my other vid:
paste after the normal youtube url
watch?v=1aoBi4HmeCU&feature=channel
noiseache 2 years ago
He made a mistake at 4:00 - 4:02, but saying glamorous assistant TWICE. That is either a cue or a slip of the tongue as he was watching HIS assistant.
nogoodperson 2 years ago
since it was live, there was no need to have the balls faced backwards, as it is too late for anyone to buy a ticket out of them. therefore having the balls facing the camera during the draw will show that he has predicted something. otherwise, there is absolutely enough time for a split screen trick to occur, which is what happened
clanOT 2 years ago
Precisely. He had nothing to lose by showing us and the secret audience/team the numbers in advance but of course, having relied on a camera trick, he couldn't!
noiseache 2 years ago
Part 1:
This is how he does it! It's simply a split-camera technique. So just a camera trick in the end!
If you look closely on a big screen you will see that the six white balls throughout the first part of the broadcast are all in an even line and ironically there is a line of black bricks on the wall behind which acts like a ruler.
leonskie1 2 years ago
Part 2:
Now after the last ball has been dropped if you look very carefully you can see that the ball on the left end has become slightly raised against the others and against the black bricks on the wall behind.
When Derren Brown turns the tray around you can clearly see that the ball on the end (now the right end) which is number 39 is slightly higher than the others as it has not been placed in the tray properly.
leonskie1 2 years ago
Yep see my other vid showing this in close detail...
noiseache 2 years ago
Yes, I've seen it, noiseache! I've been sending your link to friends.
Well done for exposing this whole nonsense with all its awful implications.
I think DB has done himself more harm than good with this. I think he has a dark agenda and it's not just harmless entertainment.
Congratulations for helping to bring the deception to light!
leonskie1 2 years ago
Part 3:
Therefore the balls at the end of the broadcast are NOT the same set as the ones at the start.
So split-camera effect (with artificial camera-shake) and a magician's assistant (with NO studio audience present) are the solution.
The arrival at the prediction is therefore irrelevant as the balls have simply been swapped during the live show.
leonskie1 2 years ago
Part 4:
The apparent semi-success of the 24 members of the group predicting previous lotteries is another independent scam to give some sort of false explanation for the prediction.
So TWO scams together and the whole thing nothing more than a conjuring trick to mislead and misdirect people - and play on their greed and gullibility!
Type in derren brown's lottery trick - possible solution to see Internet Animator Cyriak show you how its done!
leonskie1 2 years ago
Good video explaining, its how i guessed it was done. Dont think it takes away from the trick, as it is a trick, and Derren did entertain us so it worked.
DeadEric 2 years ago
Camara trick or not, I fell for it, and right now I feel very stupid. It's only a modern magician's trick, but very inventive
buscapleitosNo1 2 years ago
Yer your right.
Proof: They never used the 2nd cameraman.
jonnysmpr 2 years ago
If it's a cheap bit of camera trickery (which it is) Derren would naturaly have expected people to feel cheated if he told us straight up that that is how it was done. Which is exactly why he felt the need to tease by presenting 3 different explenations for us to choose from. Science demands Parsimony in its explenations which is exactly why the 'camera trick' explanation is the only rational one to favour.
BurkeTrue2 2 years ago
haha!!! just watched the other video you made!
watch?v=-rHPh5Xanss
funny stuff..well done.
joedemul 2 years ago
I doubt it was a camera trick. Could have been, but I just personally doubt it. I'm considering the possibility of him fixing the machine, like he showed on the Friday show. But I suppose we'll never really know, which is the great and annoying thing about these tricks!
CaptainAndyman 2 years ago
Fixing the machine? Er you do realise that's a criminal offence?
noiseache 2 years ago
Yeah, I'm not really sure, but camera trickery just seems unlikely. It sort of seems below him, but then I don't believe he actually predicted it, so yeah! :p
CaptainAndyman 2 years ago
interesting - it certainly seems feasible
EMOSSUCKBALLS 2 years ago
At 2.56 - 2.58 Derrens vision is distracted for a split second to his helper. (moves his eyes to his right)
rimjimxl 2 years ago
watch it on 4od and you will see how he really does it
DominicMoffitt56 2 years ago
er...if you believe that you must be around 11 or 12 years old, possibly younger and shouldn't have been up so late watching TV.
If you are, that's fine!
noiseache 2 years ago
The camera trick is to weak for him
Hes a genius
Shooooo!
DominicMoffitt56 2 years ago
take off those gaymore anotations u prick.
contemporarymonk 2 years ago
you can take them off by mousing over that little up arrow thing in the right hand corner and clicking "Turn off annotations".
TheGrayK 2 years ago
bit harsh.
You can switch them off yourself.
Pashford 2 years ago
Yeah you twat, just turn them off!
Oh and by the way, those gaymmore anotations have sent the hits on my film through the roof so...job done.
I can't believe how many dickheads there are on youtube!
noiseache 2 years ago
The shot from the camera at the back of the room has one function: to establish int the mind of the viewer that the camera we see the rest of the footage from is in fact handheld. This, coupled with the wobble, is meant to keep our minds off any thoughts like "motion-control camera". Clever enough, but it would have worked better if we'd seen even just one more shot from that angle (although that would probably have been really easy to screw up).
Derren is such a fibber, but I love him for it.
teaflax 2 years ago
This is definitely the best theory I've seen. I didn't notice the complete stand-stills until you pointed them out. You may also notice the floor has been marked where Derren is standing during the draw. Possibly to make sure he doesn't move inside the overlay?
eirikrye 2 years ago
One more suggestion: when he is standing in silence with his hand over his mouth, he might be doing this (deliberately not talking) because his mike has been switched off, to avoid picking up any noise made by the assistant. We can hear the sound from the bbc feed throughout, but maybe that sound is a direct feed from the live bbc broadcast (instead of it being picked up from his TV by his mike). Note that when he turned the TV on, we heard the sound several seconds before seeing the picture.
john987e 2 years ago 2
you're right, even a retard would know that he didn't really do it and that there was something wrong with it. i understand it's a trick, but he has indefinitely lied to the whole nation, and in my eyes thats not a good role model.
muskamaidenman 2 years ago
all magicians lie, its their job.
mrphunkyfeet 2 years ago
Well, it is only entertainment after all. Anyone thinking Derren has powers beyond being a clever illusionist is potty. It's a trick, and a very clever one. Good luck Derren.
oldproji 2 years ago
you can see the assistant in the reflection of the floor during the placement of the balls...
Ekwenox 2 years ago
I can do the same but with live audience. What is hard to do is to tell the numbers 10 seconds before the live event.
degoban 2 years ago
Well, well. Who'd have known? Good luck. You need it.
leontl1 2 years ago
Vanity and ego know no bounds. D. Brown lives on. Good luck.
leontl1 2 years ago
I knew there was something dodgy when I watched it live, and listening to the bollocks he came out with on friday (taking an average of 24 guesses, what a load of shit! I used to like derren brown, now I think he's a lying cock-sucking twat and should've fucked up when he was 'playing russian roulette'. But then, that was a load of bollocks too! Thanks noiseache, I reckon you're spot on.
dmanny1969 2 years ago
It looks like theres an invisible box-like between the TV and balls.. even if not its easy to tell this is a camera trick from the props and stuff you see why such a big studio
Also the lotto machines stop at 7.30 , its not like anyone can take advantage of the numbers being shown or pulled out of a sealed Envelope like his other guess tricks
He just likes to showcase big events and hog peoples attention to how it was done with great difficulty when in fact its just a damn simple camera trick
PoChopper 2 years ago
There is a split screen between the tv and White balls on stand because you can see that the black wire on the floor has been cut in half - it doesn't go anywhere ....?!?!
fayeowens 2 years ago
i suggest that he had the card as to kill time as to allow the assistant to get all the balls in the correct order and then get away.
en19mo 2 years ago
Good video . A lot better than the pile of crap explanation given by Brown on Friday night !!
flintee 2 years ago
when he says the number 23 the far left ball rises, watch carefully!!! its a hoax!!!!!! watch a few times and you can see it when he reads the numbers in order!!!!!!!!!!!!
LEOVARTY 2 years ago
I just don't see this as being the way he did it. It's not clever enough, at least as clever as I've expected from Derren Brown.
TopDog69 2 years ago
This explanation seems pretty air tight to me. If this was all filmed with a guy holding the camera and not a motion controlled rig then how would he have been able to hold it absolutely dead still like that?
McSuperfly101 2 years ago
i agree with your theory
Callan88 2 years ago
your thinking too far into it. Heres my take...
1- the balls are electronic!! There was abseloubtly no in depth shot at the balls.
2- Derren suspiciously has his hand over his mouth whalst the balls are being called- possibly talking in a microphone or something.
to back my second point up- he said how he didnt try to predict the bonus ball- and takes his hand away from his mouth as soon as the 5th balls been called and doesnt wait for the bonus ball.
Thats my guess anyway.
kinnane4 2 years ago
Why go to the complication of a motion rig? couldn't they have just locked the camera off and use a DVE to create the shaking camera movements?
LuthansaTerminal 2 years ago
It was obvious from the second he started to me. I just cant believe channel 4 expect people to believe such bullshit, but hopefully they might be investigated soon :)
SDK727 2 years ago
I mean people... obvious it's not real. If someone could predict the lottery, they would be making millions not telling people about it. It's a very good trick nonetheless.
ginsengjin 2 years ago 2
nice eye mate well explained
CyReNiUsX 2 years ago
Even if this is true... the camera tricks are very very clever...
mattmercer08 2 years ago
I disagree, they are very very simple, something you would have seen on Play School 40 years ago.
noiseache 2 years ago
yeh well, not everyone can do it, nd i aint 40.
mattmercer08 2 years ago
Okay, forget all the technical crap. Derren Brown is renowned for his simplest solutions i.e. Occam's razor, the simplest solution is the right one.
He had an insider swap the balls. It guarantees the result he wants in the simplest way. All the clips of 24 guessing people was just a smoke screen (alibi) for what was effectively an illegal act (fixing the machine).
IMHO anyway
wazzmastermax 2 years ago
well if you're right, very soon the focus will change from "Derren Brown guessed the lottery numbers" to "Derren Brown has been put in prison, for breaking and entering, theft, fraud and counterfeiting."
conorr6 2 years ago
Hence the long drawn out misdirection to the contrary... and lack of solid proof.
wazzmastermax 2 years ago
Do you honestly think rigging a govenment regulated lottery is both easier to achieve and less risky than performing about 5 minutes of live video manipulation that would have been carefully rehearsed and perfected long long before the public ever caught wiff of "the events"?
Stanmorden 2 years ago
a. anything is easy if you know the right people.
b. probably more to the point, it's not his style to play camera tricks. Leave that to prima donnas like David Blaine.
I think anything can be done with a camera trick, so where would the challenge be?
wazzmastermax 2 years ago
Ah, but seeing as most people would believe that camera tricks are not his style then doesn't that make it more likely that he would use them?
I mean a large part of his act is manipulating the public's perceptions.
He's a lot more likely to get away with simple camera tricks if he puts the idea in people's minds that he'd never use them, isn't he?
The challenge for brown is doing an obvious camera trick but convincing people that it's something else.
A mixed succes i'd say.
Stanmorden 2 years ago
I appreciate your point, and you may well be right but it seems like a cheap victory if it is all camera work. There isn't really any skill involved. Which is why I believe he wouldn't do it. His tricks are normally very skilful from what I've seen.
He's certainly provoked an intense debate though!
wazzmastermax 2 years ago
I believe you.
At 5:42 you can definately see the camera stopped in motion.
thereoncewasafrisbee 2 years ago
Having included this in the film, the camera needn't have actually stopped but I think it was a safety precaution in case something didn't line up.
As has been shown this could have been digitally manipulated or in fact had the overall shake effect added AFTER a traditional static split screen shot was made.
noiseache 2 years ago
watch the ball on the far left very closely. There all in line but between 5:38 and 5:42 it risesabove the rest and this can be seen when the balls are turned around (the ball on the right)
Could this be a morph from the split screen into the real screen
the1clothes1peg 2 years ago
Your 100% SPOT ON... Can't stand people who belive it.
His "Theory" is based on people guessing the weight of an ox, all guess's put together and divided by the amount of people. Well they would be educated guess's.. the lottery is completley random, it really does not matter how many people are guessing them.
ohh and 5:29 ... derren has a cheeky glance of his mate finishing putting the new balls in.
samm605 2 years ago 2
Regarding 5.29, very subtle, but I think you might be right.
leontl1 2 years ago 3
Nice spot!
noiseache 2 years ago
the left ball raises slighty when the pre-recorded and the live feed switches, silly magicians little helper XD. what p's me off is him babbaling on friday making up complete bull****
ongarman2 2 years ago
Yep, check my other in depth ball movement analysis!
See related videos from me.
noiseache 2 years ago
at 4:46 to 5:26, derren isnt looking at the TV... even though it is a nice tv
joshgillespiewolf 2 years ago
At 5:46 he stops, he starts to move to the left of the screen and pauses for a few minutes, as if he is waiting for confirmation, who does this? Who walks somewhere and then stops dead, pauses and then carries on for no reason ?
MegaScott93 2 years ago
Sorry *Seconds not minutes !
MegaScott93 2 years ago
It's amazing how many people pick up and believe the claim about taking it a year, but why? It could just be part of the story he builds up.
LokiMD 2 years ago
you never know, it could have taken a year for him to move from the basic idea of appearing to predict the lottery, to actually knowing exactly how to pull it off.
although thats not really a detail worth worrying about
Neylonx 2 years ago
how did he do it you ask well it's simple...the lotery is fixed.
SakuraLionheart 2 years ago
Hey I'm thinking... if it is a split screen camera trick, how come when you flick to the before and after shots, the light on the FAR RIGHT SIDE (right of the fire exit) also moves by a corresponding amount? So don't you think that its highly possible that the cameraman moved the camera slightly, so that you see the "movement" in the height of the ball?
afromashimaro 2 years ago
How would he put the balls in the correct order, there is a short period off time after the last ball is revealed, so how could the assistant put the balls in order that quick before Derren moves to the left hand side of the screen
wilsondean192 2 years ago
The assistant could keep the balls in order as they're revealed. When the final ball is revealed all the assistant has to do is put it in the correct spot, moving aside the other balls. With a little practice beforehand it could easily be done in the time available.
Tarsarlan 2 years ago
they would probably place them in numerical order as they were called out, no difficulty in that, just taking extreme care not to knock any out of the tray etc.
newdecade 2 years ago
this is what derren wanted the attention he's a fake scam i feel cheated everytime he has some sort of show on he's getting rich by making these scams it's ridiculous
SharapovaVideos 2 years ago
bollocks, open your mind
boarderbayne 2 years ago
also why did he have to wait till the results were shown, if they were a prediction then he is breaking no law in showing the numbers before we see them come out on the screen!
cjft123 2 years ago
It wasn't a pridiction you idiot. The whole point of doing it on the night shows it wasn't a prediction.
whattheholf91 2 years ago
*knows
RandomWelshGuy 2 years ago
The card is simple. The assistant is putting the balls in numerical order. Therefore he cannnot put a single ball in until he nows the correct order. That's where the card comes in. When all 6 numbers are revealed, the assistant puts the balls in. Derren writes down the numbers on the card to give the assistant time to do it.
RandomWelshGuy 2 years ago
Part 1:
This is how he does it! It's simply a split-camera technique. So just a camera trick in the end!
If you look closely on a big screen you will see that the six white balls throughout the first part of the broadcast are all in an even line and ironically there is a line of black bricks on the wall behind which acts like a ruler.
leonskie1 2 years ago
Part 2:
Now after the last ball has been dropped if you look very carefully you can see that the ball on the left end has become slightly raised against the others and against the black bricks on the wall behind.
When Derren Brown turns the tray around you can clearly see that the ball on the end (now the right end) which is number 39 is slightly higher than the others as it has not been placed in the tray properly.
leonskie1 2 years ago
Part 3:
Therefore the balls at the end of the broadcast are NOT the same set as the ones at the start.
So split-camera effect (with artificial camera-shake) and a magician's assistant (with NO studio audience present) are the solution.
The arrival at the prediction is therefore irrelevant as the balls have simply been swapped during the live show.
leonskie1 2 years ago
Good f****ng spot, dude. That is the proof I need to agree with the theory (this theory) I initially predicted).
jimisjoint 2 years ago
Part 4:
The apparent semi-success of the 24 members of the group predicting previous lotteries is another independent scam to give some sort of false explanation for the prediction.
So TWO scams together and the whole thing nothing more than a conjuring trick to mislead and misdirect people - and play on their greed and gullibility!
See notorious internet Animator Cyriak on the Charlotte Gore website to see how he did it. In fact, he demonstrated it working!
leonskie1 2 years ago
no its a guy in a brick suit moving really slowly painting the numbers on...
:P
this would make the most sense out of all the theories, but it could be that he can read body language of the balls too, as well as humans.
lokeynot 2 years ago
ha ha ha ha. Amazing!!!
jimisjoint 2 years ago
What con-men all magicians are.
Logic tells us that if this man could predict lottery numbers he wouldn't be tarting around on a third rate television programme but would be the richest man in the world, having repeatedly won every single lottery on the planet.
NonInflatable 2 years ago
/watch?v=rqAt2akPHJ8
an easier to understand video of the split screen scam :-)
Eejit1 2 years ago
oh i see exactly what you mean, on the right hand side derren is 100% live, but on the right hand side its a re-ran video, simple split tool in most premium video editing software. so when the draw has been announced, someone will go and change the balls but all we see is the re-run i,e nothing then when he walks over live, it will have the right numbers on it.
benmusic89 2 years ago