1944 The Destruction of Monte Cassino: The German View

[skoblinI]

@Gianni7381 Bernard Freyberg was not Canadian. He was the commander of the New Zealand division.

[merc22222ify]

das is fantastishe skoblinl zieg hai!

[toskaner]

the Americans are the real barbars, people without any culturs. They distroied the abbey just for fun because it were not a military target because empty. Only after the German troops went inside. American people think only in the profit and submit other else Country. All the war in this world are liked to them and to the fanatic policy they want to apply. But this time thanks to God is over for them, they start to lose. Like in Vietnam, Corea, Iraq, Afganistan.

[IustitiaPax]

@toskaner Maybe the attack against Monte Cassino was an anti-Catholic attack, to attack Saint Benedict of Nursia and humiliate the Benedictine Order? Like the attack against neutral Vatican City territory in Castel Gandolfo, where many were hiding from the Nazi secret police. Instead of sent to labour camps, they were killed by an American firebomb.

[AZsaturn]

@IustitiaPax

Excuse me. The fact that soldiers of the dark side chose Monte Cassino as own fortress. So what had to made by soldiers of the good side? Permit to shoot himself by this scoundrels? Reich soldiers ravaged Monte Cassino across own occupation. Allies they did not have other chance. This was the ideal fortress. Nobody could gain, as long as the general Anders did not move to overcome this rogues. Went Poles fierce and revengeful, to exterminate rats.

[AZsaturn]

@IustitiaPax

If Monte Cassino was not used as the fortress by soldiers of Reich, why these scoundrels did sit there so long time and fought? This completely fulfils the definition of the fortress. The geography favoured very much the Axis powers. All the time I forget that you cannot interpret metaphors. Who chooses specified place as own fortress, this fastens on this place datives of own enemy.

[IustitiaPax]

@AZsaturn The Abbey of Monte Cassino was respected by Albert Kesselring and the Wehrmacht and all Germans and Fascist Italians as 'sacred area' for non-combattants. The Germans always wanted to spare the Abbey. And they did. The Allies destroyed it. So you believe every UNESCO World Heritage site and Catholic shrine at a mountain should be bombed, even if military opponents have officially messaged they wanted to leave it intact? Kesselring sent messages to the Allies about Mt. Cassino.

[AZsaturn]

@IustitiaPax

What a shameless slander! I never called German soldiers "rats". I called so soldiers of Reich. It is the completely other category. Soldiers of Federal Republic of Germany are very fine people. The completely other category than soldiers of Reich. Soldiers of Federal Republic of Germany are people. Soldiers Reich renounced human natures. Monte Cassino would survive, but for was used as the fortress.

[IustitiaPax]

@AZsaturn The Bundeswehr and Wehrmacht had often the same officers after 1955. The German Wehrmacht soldiers are called rats to be exterminated by you. You are a pseudo-Christian mass murderer with blood lust.

[IustitiaPax]

@AZsaturn The Abbey of Monte Cassino was never chosen as a fortress by the German Army and the Italian Social Republic. Never. You speak about the time after the bombing of the Abbey? I am not talking about the attacks over the ruins of the Abbey. This is about the bombing of the Abbey itself.

[AZsaturn]

@IustitiaPax

You are a better historian than me. But you are a weak rhetor. You expect that victim of the attack will pay respects to his own torturer. Soldiers of Reich served the criminal ideology , served to the enlargement of the authority zone of the criminal ideology and realized the criminal ideology. Soldiers of Federal Republic of Germany served as the first defence against to other criminal ideology in case of III World War.

[IustitiaPax]

@AZsaturn The German Wehrmacht soldiers served their German fatherland. They wanted to protect their families and country from Bolshevism, as Stalin, Molotov, Litvinov had planned the US-supplied Soviet invasion of Central Europe by July 1941. But Hitler launched a Preventive Strike on June 22, 1941. Even Claus von Stauffenberg agreed with this. These soldiers were never Nazis. Only 7 million Germans became NSDAP members in total. 10 %.

[AZsaturn]

@IustitiaPax

Of course. The truth is brutal: Wieluń was a city of Reich, massacred by Royal Air Force. In the same way as Warsaw. And now without mockery: The fact that soldiers of Reich evacuated works of art from the cloister on Monte Cassino testifies that they woke up that the occupation of this place meant the destruction. They forced Allies to this.

[IustitiaPax]

@AZsaturn Those cities were not annihilated in 1939 like Dresden in 1945 or Hamburg in 1943. Never. Those Luftwaffe attacks were against Polish air defence inmidst of civilian areas. The same strictly speaking for Rotterdam, our beautiful city of 1940. It was defended militarily, including in civil areas. There was a miscommunication, and some bombers still dropped bombs there despite partial Dutch capitulation 2 hours before.....

[christof139]

@IustitiaPax, You're a funny nut. The Polish Army was not fully mobilized even at the time of the Nazi invasion in Sept., 1939. You give twisted neo-nazi alternate history fairy tales.

Nazis indiscriminatly bombed many Polish etc. villages, towns & cities where there were not enemy soldiers & positions.

Before the accidental nazi bombing of London, other British towns & cities were bombed by the nazis & civilians were also deliberately strafed.

[IustitiaPax]

@christof139 Just because the Polish Army was one big chaos, does not mean that on March 23, 1939 already the Polish Army partially mobilized - only against Germany and the western frontier. Not against the USSR, as the Entente diplomacy still tried to make Stalin join a Franco-British-Polish alliance against Hitler. Stalin only would do so, if granted military bases inside Poland. Polish militarist nationalist leaders never consented to that before August 20, 1939 - the total mobilization.

[AZsaturn]

@IustitiaPax

Polish mobilization was very well-founded. Continuous provocations of German guerilla fighters on borders, Reich required parts of the Polish territory to which for 800 years is Gdańsk. Earlier several times Reich gained new territories without bloodshed. Somebody had at last to to show that Reich was not a ruler of the continent which can at will shape the border, negligent for business other. The mobilization did not result the boredom. But the incalculable impudence of Reich.

[IustitiaPax]

@AZsaturn Germany on March 23, 1939 had never once 'violated' the Polish border. It was Polish provocation, with Entente support. Poland and Józef Beck and his regime believed in militaristic pan-Polish propaganda after Zaolzie annexation.

[IustitiaPax]

@christof139 The Nazis never bombed Polish villages with no air defence and no military positions. Kraków was never hit. Nor were Kielce and other undefended towns and shrines. Unlike British propaganda claims. The English lies' press even claimed that the Germans had "burnt 10,000 Polish POWs inside the Chapel and Monasteries of the Shrine of Jasna Gora" (Czestochowa). Never happened. Like the 1990 Iraqi-Kuwaiti babies killed by the Iraqi Army. It is desinformation propaganda.

[christof139]

@IustitiaPax , Nazis did indeed bomb Polish villages & towns & cities, & they also bombed Belgrade, Yugoslavia & killed 17,000 people. You're a complete neonazi idiot. Yes, the the burning of the Polish POWs didn't occur & that was Brit propaganda, which at the time was like nazi propga. Iraqi military was responsible for many murders, rapes, tortures, & pillaging in Kuwait, & some children & babies were killed.

[IustitiaPax]

@christof139 Nazis bombed both Polish cities with air defence and military targest, as well as Belgrade. But never civilian areas on purpose. That is the difference. Belgrade was also defended, and not entirely destroyed at all. And your victim statistic are widely exaggerated. But I do not deny that the German Luftwaffe did attack military targets inside cities. But never did they target civilian homes as policy. Never.

[IustitiaPax]

@AZsaturn So preventive measures to save arts and relics from Monte Cassino by the Reich (totally impractical for an army) "proves" that the Reich wanted the Allies to bomb it? WHAT? HOW INSANE ARE YOU? They "Forced" them? You are insane. Or you do not understand the English language.

[AZsaturn]

@IustitiaPax

Yes. All we know your double standards. Reich executed the preventive attack: "glory". But in the hypothetical situation, if anybody other executed the preventive attack: "shame". Anybody provoked Reich: "shame". Reich provoked other: "glory". Reich beat all records in the discouragement of potential friends.

[IustitiaPax]

@AZsaturn I never stated that the Reich's preventive war in 1939 against Poland, and in 1941 against the USSR were "glorious". Not at all. I hate war. War is mostly illegitimate, leads to killings (even of civilian hostages often), leads to poverty, to despair, to prostitution (in armies), to disruption of families. I hate the war. But I do know geopolitics and military strategies. You should rather ask yourself why Rydz-Smigly stated in Daily Mail of July 16, 1939 that Poland would "go to war"?

[AZsaturn]

@IustitiaPax

No Polish commander before September 1939 did not intend to recover authority in Gdańsk, nor no other aggressive war. This was only the declaration that as opposed to cowards who unconditionally gave Reich their own territory, Poland will deliver the unconditionally no part of its own territory. A sufficient act of the magnanimity to the mutinous city was the agreement on The Free City. Danzigers did not value this motion. The not due motion to traitors.

[IustitiaPax]

@AZsaturn I guess the Daily Mail in July 1939 just made up the words of Rydz-Smigly, and the threats of Dmowski before his death, and the threats of Józef Beck on May 5, 1939? And the constant anti-German war rhetorics in Poland after Oct. 1938 until September 1, 1939. Poland never had to 'deliver' its own territory. The Free City of Danzig was an independent state. Like Luxembourg. Danzig was not Polish property. Polish terrorists murdered ethnic Germans since Oct. 1938, since 'Zaolzie'.

[AZsaturn]

Gdańsk was, is and will be a part of Poland so long till Poland rescinds a contract 1466. The Free City was a symptom of the big mercy. Treacherous Danzigers not valued. Do you attend that is criminal every other attitude than toadying? Polish commanders only said that Reich would receive no part of Poland as gift. You overinterpretation. Perhaps I would believe these imaginary massacres of innocent Germans, if you gave other date. In that times, nobody was so much mad to provoke the superpower.

[IustitiaPax]

@AZsaturn The ethnic nation-state of the 1919 Versailled Poland and of 1945 Potsdam Communist Poland reformed in 1989 is no successor to the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. Since when is Donald Tusk proclaimed heir to the Polish and Lithuanian thrones? You chauvinists expelled and mass-murdered the children and grandchildren of those Danzig citizens who made a contract with Poland in the 15th century. Eidechsenbund was pro-royalist, but German-speaking in 1466.

[IustitiaPax]

@AZsaturn The provocation of the militaristic Reich by the Polish pro-Entente agitation and the Polish militarists was irresponsible and evil indeed. Especially over Danzig and the 'Polish' (Kashubian and German rather) Corridor and a Plebiscite in both. (Until May 20, only demand for Danzig, not for Corridor). I do not say the Reich made no mistakes or no provocations. But Poland on March 23, 1939 mobilized the Polish Army. Not the Reich. Not Hitler. Hitler was no Polonophobe at all!

[AZsaturn]

@IustitiaPax

If Allies wanted to destey Reich before the Second World War, would make attack before Reich became a superpower. Think as the detective. Fools procrastinated till Reich became themselves so powerful that she had conquered the almost all continent. This is best proof that this argument is nonsensical. If you were right, the attack against Reich would follow five minutes after the democratic access NSDAP to the authority. But so was not.

[IustitiaPax]

@AZsaturn You cannot rally your peoples into war without any (purported or invented) reason. The 1939 German invasion of Poland, which was a preventive strike in geopolitics. An act never wanted by Hitler. Hitler hated the Molotov Ribbentrop pact, but the Germans were convinced Stalin could ally to Roosevelt in any moment. They were right. No American, no British civilian would attack peaceful Nazi-dominated Hindenburg Germany in 1933.

[AZsaturn]

@IustitiaPax

Before anybody provoked Reich, Reich provoked others. This is FACT. The alliance of Britain, Frances and Poland did not come into being, because these three subjects were bored . The provocation of Reich by Allies was disgraceful? So, case the provocation of Allies by Reich was also disgraceful. Use equal standards. If the provocation of Allies by Reich was not disgraceful in such case the provocation of Reich by Allies also was not disgraceful. It is surely honest standards?

[IustitiaPax]

@AZsaturn Hitler and the Axis made more than 200 peace offers before, during and even at the end of WW2 and long before the Polish Campaign. The Reich never wanted a war against Poland or against England. Maybe only an ideological war against the USSR, but Stalin already planned an early war in 1941. Long before Nazi preparations.

[AZsaturn]

@IustitiaPax

Hitler peace propose the hanging of all his scoundrels and himself? And the liquidation of death camps? Hes was adult about the mind of the child. Important is what was made by Reich. Already in 1933 was a criminal state. First concentration camps. A fault of Reich was the marketing: Entire disdaining with business of neighbours does not give friends. It provokes neighbours to the treat of precautions. The alliance of Britain, Frances and Poland did not result bores.

[IustitiaPax]

@AZsaturn Poland had concentration camps already in 1919. Ask for Miejsce Odosobnienia w Berezie Kartuskiej. So because of German 'disdain' towards the Polish greater militaristic territorial aspirations (against Pomerania and Silesia incl Breslau and even Görlitz), Germany should allow itself to be crushed by Poland, France and England in a joint war? You think Polish pride being hurt, justifies provoking a war?

[IustitiaPax]

@AZsaturn The War Parties (Churchill-Eden in England and Blum-Reynaud in France) needed a war cause. French, British Americans are not war-lustful Polish chauvinists with anti-German hatred mania in 1933 or 1939. French said: "pourquoi mourir pour Dantzig?" You totally fail to understand how to rally a people into a war. You also do not know about Pearl Harbour and the 1941 Japanese ultimatum to the USA and Roosevelt's deliberate 'silence'? They wanted a cause for war. They hated diplomacy.

[AZsaturn]

@IustitiaPax

Allies hated diplomacy? Maybe. Reich loved the diplomacy! So long till other countries gave to Reich unconditionally all, what Reich fancied. In the true diplomacy, one does not take all, and also publicly despises with matters of neighbours. In the true diplomacy, when state something requires, awaits also that other state will want the motion at least identical. In the true diplomacy one does not require the loss by others very important parts.

[IustitiaPax]

@AZsaturn You have some problems with Monte Cassino chronology. And you have problems with historical facts. This means you probably will ignore, that the UK and France declared war against Germany. Not Germany against the UK. UK against Germany on Sept. 3, 1939. Never against the USSR. Why not against the USSR? Do you think yourself? I am only speaking geopolitics. If Poland had known she would be betrayed by the Entente in 1939, both in 1919 and 1939, they would have given liberty to Danzig.

[AZsaturn]

You have a problem with idea of alliance. Attack against allied state is an equivalent of attack against all remaining states of alliance. The massacre in Wieluń was an equivalent of the bombing of the British & French city. September Campain was an equivalent of the declaration of war against Britain & France. The alliance didnt result the boredom, but the provocation by Reich. But Britishers and the French as opposed to Reich, showed the good manners, forestalling the enemy about intentions.

[IustitiaPax]

@AZsaturn Wieluń was a defended city with military objects and aerial defence amidst civilians. Poland had little legal qualms about risking her own civilians. The Poles fought a total war against provoked Germany in 1939. This was true in 1921 Polish invasions of Upper Silesia under Korfanty etc. etc. If Wieluń was an equivalent, why was not Soviet occupation of Lwów in 1939 and of Grodno in 1939 sufficient reason for the UK and France to declare war against the USSR? Poland was just instrument

[IustitiaPax]

@AZsaturn The Allied (and somewhat the Soviet) and Entente goal of the 1939-1945 continuation Second World War (continuation of the First World War 1914-18) was the destruction of the renascent German Empire and of the German people. Until 1947/1948 this goal was actively pursued. That is why Poland had to provoke in 1939, and why in Potsdam, you 'received' Danzig and Breslau and Stettin. Wehrmacht was merely anti-Communist. You think they should capitulate to Berling Army?

[AZsaturn]

@IustitiaPax

You insult present Germans, comparing Bundeswehr and Wehrmacht. You acknowledge III Reich too the universal datum point in history. I acknowledge the best part of the world as the universal datum point. If Monte Cassino was not a provisional fortress, then why bad soldiers occupied this place and cut out to Rome? This is just the fortress. The place defended servants to closing way to the enemy. Must I learn the definition of the fortress?

[IustitiaPax]

@AZsaturn "Bad" soldiers? The Abbey of Monte Cassino was declared a free zone by Kesselring and the Germans, in order to preserve this monument of European Christianity. Only after Allied aerial destruction, did some Germans occupy the ruins.... Then it became the famous "fortress" - in the Allied-caused ruins of the greatest Abbey of European Christendom. The ruins were not caused by Germans. Only by Allies, including Polish artillery.

[AZsaturn]

@IustitiaPax

Empty declarations are the trash heap. Important are facts. Regardless of the prattle of Kesselring, this hill was a death trap for good soldiers. The geography favoured very much to bad soldiers. But for was rotters on this hill, if they go to hell from this hill, then would not force allies. It is necessary to think as the detective. Rotters were on Monte Cassino, when good soldiers come. They were there! So they forced Allies to preventive measures.

[IustitiaPax]

@AZsaturn No German military objects were at Monte Cassino Abbey before the Allied destruction. This was an act against this site of Christendom. Kesselring always declared it a free area. You probably also think the Allies should have bombed Rome, although the Germans in early May 1944 had peacefully abandoned the city in order to save its monuments and shrines? Allies in May 1944 should have bombed His Holiness Pius XII and killed the population of Rome and all monasteries with phosphor?

[AZsaturn]

@IustitiaPax

So, why the conquest Monte Cassino was so difficult and why so many Allies fell during the winning Monte Cassino? Who shot to Allies from Monte Cassino? Martians? Venusians? Jupiterians? Megatron? Galvatron? Skywalker? Autobots? Perhaps Allies they shot to each other′s Allies? If you must falsify history, do not insult my intelligence. Allies's corpses are proofs.

[IustitiaPax]

@AZsaturn The Allies and Polish Anders soldiers fell only áfter the Allied bombing. After the bombings, the Germans indeed no longer felt obliged to the 'Free Zone' commitment by Kesselring, and the ruins were taken in as higher posts by Waffen-SS, Italian pro-Axis volunteers and Wehrmacht. That is AFTER the ruins were created by ALLIED bombing.

[AZsaturn]

@IustitiaPax

Wieluń and Frampol did not have factories, armies, or the node of railway. Pilots of Luftwaffe simply very were bored . So this justifies?

[AZsaturn]

@IustitiaPax

Illogical. The Gustav line ran through Monte Cassino. Who controlled Monte Cassino, had the potential to the rule with the life and a death of every who was round Monte Cassino until the horizon. The geography favoured very much to soldiers of Reich. You do not acknowledge lives of Allies too sufficiently valuable.

[IustitiaPax]

@AZsaturn You just cannot explain yourself. Nor can you refute me. It was a crime against Cassino. A crime against St. Benedict. Not to be excused. Even Americans admit this. But you as a chauvinist Pole defend this crime against this shrine just because some Polish soldiers of Anders raided the mountain's ruins long áfter the Allied attack against an undefended, Free monastic area and monument.

[IustitiaPax]

@JoachimAugustWilhelm Well done. God bless you. Gut gemacht. Gottes Segen.

[jbrisson007]

whole war movies?

[shlomofeuerwerk]

Schweine

[tubebw]

Thats ok a dead nazi is a good nazi, police patrol or not. There is no way to know if the Germans were spotting from the abby or not. Do you really think they would admit it after? It was Gobles who insisted on "Total War" not the allies and he got it. Dresden is next.

[IustitiaPax]

@tubebw Churchill already declared total war on June 18, 1940. Full three years before the Goebbels speech in Berlin.

[christof139]

The abbey at casino was bombed because Gen. Freyberg's New Zealnd Div. was next in line to assault, & he refused to attack unless the abbey was bombed since he believed the abbey was used by the Germans. So, the Allied command relented & bombed the abbey. A German MP unit was seen at least once in the abbey & radio antenna were spotted & photographed, so ...

Castel Gandolfo etc. were hit because they were near the front at Anzio. Maybe by error & maybe not.

[IustitiaPax]

@christof139 A crime against the European cultural heritage.

[AZsaturn]

@IustitiaPax

Of course, Vatican City was neutral. This was the only chance of Vatican City. The violation of the neutrality is the ugly wickedness. Your memory is with a hole? What a shameless hypocrisy. Reich attacked many neutral countries. Purposely. Not accidentally. But this is not disgraceful? And you groan because of several buildings.

[IustitiaPax]

@AZsaturn Oh, I know the Reich violated the neutrality of Denmark and Luxemburg. But not of Spain, Switzerland. Belgium and Holland were already pro-French or pro-British after Oct. 1939. This was a secret services' development. You know nothing about this. But the Germans never bombed Switzerland. The Vatican City was a neutral state. And yet attacked by the U.S. Air Force and the Royal Air Force.

[christof139]

@IustitiaPax, Yes, the Germans occasionally violated Swiss territory with unintentional flyovers just as we did. Our errors & crimes were very small compared to what the nazis did in Italy & the Balkans where tens of thousands of Italian civilians & soldiers were massacared by the nazis, not to mention the hundreds of thousnads killed in the Blakans by the nazis. Castel Gandolfo was hit because it was in the Alban Hills & fortunately not many were killed.

[IustitiaPax]

@christof139 Excuse me? Italian partisans were not civilians. You mean Fosse Ardeatine reprisals in 1944, near Rome? Yes. They shot three hostages too many. I know. The U.S. Army burnt entire Vietcong-suspected villages in the Vietnam War. At the Balkans, the Germans were pretty much bystanders in the Domobranci Slovenian, Tito Communist Partisans, Ustasha Croat, Nedic Serbian, Serbian Chetnik (royalist) and Albanian and Bulgarian-Macedonian gunpowder region.

[IustitiaPax]

@christof139 You just think aerial terror is allowed, if it is Allied. But if German airplanes attack partisan strongholds within civilian villages, then the Germans are 'war criminals'. I guess it depends on the perspective. The 1982-1988 Soviet occupation in Afghanistan, the 2001-2012 Afghan NATO war, the American-led Vietnam War, the Korean War of 1950-1953 (UNO mission) etc. saw far worse reprisals than the legalistic Prussian Wehrmacht ever undertook. Not to mention the USSR in 1920s-1940s.

[AZsaturn]

@IustitiaPax

Alies air force served to the merit side. In the name of the normalcy. Luftwaffe served the criminal ideology. How dare you dare to accuse for the unfair, when you always acknowledge the comfort of Reich as the universal criterion.

[IustitiaPax]

@AZsaturn I do not think destroying monuments, shrines, attacking civilian areas with fire bombs etc. is "merit side" or "normalcy". The Luftwaffe did not serve the Nazi Party. It served for Germany as a country. It was not a political army like most of the SS.

[christof139]

@IustitiaPax. 'Aerial terror', like the Nazis used in Poland, the Netherlands, Belgium, etc. Do it to us we'll do it to you. You're funny.

[IustitiaPax]

@christof139 With all due respect, the German Luftwaffe only targetted and bombed militarily defended cities. Never civilian areas as such, never monuments as such. When was Kraków destroyed? Again, I am an historian. I know all sides. I know facts. I'm a Dutchman. My uncle was exiled to England in 1940, and worked for Dutch R.A.F. volunteer pilots. Even he admitted they flew anti-civilian terror missions. Not that I like Nazis, or Nazi secret police. Of course not. But Luftwaffe were honourable

[christof139]

@IustitiaPax, With all due respect you are very wrong. Many Polish villages & towns were bombed & shellecd by the Wehrmacht that were not military targets & Warsaw was hit before it was declared a fortress. Rotterdam was hit by the Luft. after it surrendered. There was some constraints at first in not hitting London but it occurred apparently by accident, however other Brit civilian targets had already been hit either purposefully or in error, & the Brits responded in kind.

[christof139]

@IustitiaPax, The Germans violated the neutrality of nearly every nation in Europe & then some at sea. take your neo-nazi nonsense elsewhere. Seems things have been fine between the USA & Vatican etc. for some time: "In 1933 the Vatican Observatory was moved from the Vatican because of too much artificial light in Rome and installed at Castel Gandolfo. In January 2008, it was announced that, due to the deterioration of visibility in the Castelli Romani, the center would be moved to the USA."

[IustitiaPax]

@christof139 Few nations in Europe were neutral. The Nazis violated some countries' neutrality (Denmark, Greece, Luxemburg). Some neutral countries were compromised by pro-Entente secret services (Holland, Belgium, Norway, Yugoslavia). Others were respected: Sweden, Ireland, Switzerland, Spain, Portugal.

[IustitiaPax]

Please note, that it is Castel Gandolfo (the Papal Residence) which was bombed by the Americans. Spelled correctly. It is very peculiar, why they bombed Monte Cassino (not used by the Germans at all) and Castel Gandolfo, where the Vatican had hidden thousands of Jewish refugees from Rome and Italy, and even anti-Nazi political prisoners. Many of whom died due to Allied bombs. Did the western Allies want to humiliate the neutral Holy See and the pope in this conflict?

[gilbs72]

A congressional inquiry to the same office in the 20th anniversary year of the bombing produced the statement: "It appears that no German troops, except a small military police detachment, were actually inside the abbey" before the bombing. The final correction to the U.S. Army's official record was made in 1969 and concluded that "the abbey was actually unoccupied by German troops."

[PeterStulle]

i think its ok for liberating europe from the facists