Why I say Black American Culture ISnot Derived from African Culture

[MEDIAHEAD1]

African history and wiping out of the world or given it to another group of people.but we do need to put African pride back in our people not by wearin African shit or nothing like that we need to know where we come from and everything else. NO we are not african and do not shear there culture.but we need to know the TRUTH.and that my friend will make us stronger AFRICAN AMERICANS.

[MRYOUNG702]

@MEDIAHEAD1 THAt I agree with.. Look out for PArt 2 of this video...

[MEDIAHEAD1]

You are right we are African American not African, and i c alot of people makin lite the situation,but it is a big one, first off, it is still African American not American,and the slave owners did damage like you said wiped any pride out of us by taking our culture.now we will never be African but we do need to teach our children the history(ancient) teach them we come from kings and Queens not a slave ship.becouse they in order to justify the slave trade. put us on the level of dogs.by taking

[metubewrx]

Your right I lived in Germany for seven years from March 1998 to August 2066, and you can go to the Germany bucther and today time now there is parts of the animals they still don't eat, from what I saw just in Germany. You can buy this meat in a big black trash bag for like 30 dollars.

[tome865]

I use to be a black american but i read a book then changed my name to moutumbo and i bought a painting and zebrahead and dashiki and i speak african language mougobe toogo mougoo wait a mintune fuck this i'm going back to being my self hey everbody leroy back i realize i was nothing but a fake ass african but nomore of that shit leroy back

[PrinceNoirAmericain]

@tome865

lol

[tome865]

@PrinceNoirAmericain hahahahaha I'm crazy for saying it and your crazy for laughing at what i said peace brother and you have a nice channel to

[thotsins]

@MRYOUNG702 All blacks are the same everywhere, our identity is encoded in our culture, that is why we can recognize our cultural carryovers all over the world, it is the traditional african way of recognizing kinship—IT IS IN THE CULTURE. This is intentionally done within African culture. So yes you can make it in the states, but that has nothing to do with the fact that what makes afro-americans unique & identified as afro-americans is those african carryovers in blood & culture.

[thotsins]

@MRYOUNG702 The evidence I provided is undeniable and thorough. You posed the question, I simply answered it cuz you asked. LOL!

The whole black movement in the states was for the very purpose of retaining as much of our indigenous way of doing things as we could in the states, simply being accepted as equal as we were and the way we did things—BLACK/AFRICAN.



[thotsins]

@MRYOUNG702 This is no argument, hon. And nobody is approaching you with any hostility so your bitterness is improperly placed within this this discussion between you and me. The evidence I provided was simply in response to what you asked. AND IT WAS VERY EASY PROVIDE contrary to what you may have thought. And YES I expect you to "read that." Reading is essential to learning. Furthermore, if you have not read it—how is it possible to try to refute what you haven't even read?

[thotsins]

@MRYOUNG702 Dude, what are you so angry about? LOL! Who's arguing? Oh, it's just you. If there is any difference btwn Africans & Afro-Americans, it's the degree of anger that makes you so unreasonable & blind, thus easy to manipulate. But it's not all afro-americans, it's just the few like you.

[thotsins]

As you can see all forms played by these Arara people whether in New Orleans, Haiti, or the Arara in Africa consist of being made up of the common denominator: The Drums, the Horns, the Cymbals.

[thotsins]

And in the region of the bight of Benin, what you call "Jazz" is ROYAL COURT MUSIC—played for the Kings and in the palace etc.

So in Africa, Jazz, or the music of the Arara peoples: the Ashantis, Fon, Ewe, etc—is ROYAL MUSIC.

[thotsins]

How do I know this?—WELL, IT IS CUZ I AM FROM WEST AFRICA.

Contrary to what people think, europeans were NOT able to strip "all african culture". You giving them too much credit. Many slaves preserved traditions within secret society meetings, & the same things that appealed to us in Africa, still appealed to us when taken to the states—this resulted in carry over of customs, tradition, & habits.

Sn Africa, when we see afro-american culture, we Still see African characteristics.

[thotsins]

African American culture is just a mix of many african tribes mixing bits of pieces of our cultures together into one in the states, fused with a little bit of european influence. So the african aspects can still be traced back to specific african places.

So, yes, much of afro-american culture—MOST of afro-american culture is still African. The problem is just as you said about yourself

"I don't know African Culture."

So thus u don't know where the connections lie.

Hope this helped

[thotsins]

As Far as what you said about Afro-Americans descending from EGYPT and their Kings. Well, as you admitted, your History & your blood comes from African tribes—In Africa OUR TRADITIONAL HISTORIES TRACE US BACK TO EGYPT. In our genealogies Egypt, one of our primary homes is known by the name KEMU etc. or MISIRI, named after the people who were the MIZRAIMS (Egyptians).

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[thotsins]

... and many of our tribes were led to our present regions by Rulers/Kings or other prominent people from Egypt and/or the lands of Kush, that were leaving to find new land for various reasons, sometimes it was cuz of foreign invasion of Egypt, other times it was to explore new lands. These kings/rulers/advisors multplied which birthed many African tribes. These tribespeople were the people stolen & taken to America during the 1400-1700's.

[thotsins]

.. now this is not to say all voyages from Egypt/Kush into the African interior were by Kings, but MANY were, cuz in our tradition they were often said to "come from the sky" which is a traditional term that means they were enlightened, or had special knowledge or technology brought from Egypt. For instance in my ethnic group, we trace our origins to those from On, Egypt (Heliopolis). So since Afro-Americans are descent from these same African tribes, you have the same descent we do.

[thotsins]

About what you said about "Africans don't herd cows, we have goats."

The truth is, in Africa THE COW IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE GOAT.

The cow is a divine animal, associated anciently with the Gods.

Cow is a sacred traditionally and always has been.

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We even created a whole dance honoring them, that's just how important they are in African society.

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[thotsins]

As far as food. You have things like "Gumbo" which is African Okra based soups from Senegal and simply given the central african name for it which we call variations of the word "Kingombo/Kingumbo" like Baluba.

English word "Okra" comes from the word "okuru" in my language for the plant.

Jambalaya is what we call Jollof/Wollof rice pioneered by the Senegalaise and other tribes from Senegambia.

In Africa, these "Afro-American" things are such common traditional things.

[thotsins]

Afro-American speech (Ebonics) is also a direct carry over from african pidgin speech, even though people don't take it serious & makes jokes about it cuz they don't know it is an actual African custom.

It is customary for us to use a formal & also informal way of speech & we have many forms of slang talk or pidgin.

Ebonics

watch?v=pozRCoaPwhc

Nigerian Pidgin (Slang)

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[thotsins]

Also Gullah speech is of the forms of pidgin spoken in Sierra Leon.

Gullah

watch?v=3WCweLRkyuU

Sierra Leon Krio

watch?v=1BKHte8WMeU

This is not surprising since many Afro-Americans were taken from the Sierra Leon region, it is understandable they carried this style of english over based off their unique accent in their languages.

This has led to many associates between Sierra Leone and Gullah Islands because they recognize the origins of Gullah language as being same as Sierra Leon

[thotsins]

Then you have the seeming smaller things like baggy clothes which is also carry over from africa (no it does not come from jail inmates & gangs).

Or African customary handshakes brought to the states & still practiced by Afro-Americans.

Pharoah monch, "Black hand side" (watch the handshake at 2.17)

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"Black hand side" is very traditional in Africa: Watch at 4.00

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or this watch?v=3OpQsQ2PeIo

We have many types of African handshake.

[thotsins]

A lot of Afro-Americans know it comes from Africa, yes, but they are not able to say specifically where.

So I agree with your statement in your video, (to a degree) cuz it has a measure of Truth, that

"If you haven't studied African cultures you can't say what is African."

However, the opposite is also true:

If you have never studied African Cultures you can't say what ISN'T African, which is what you've been doing.

[thotsins]

So you proposed a person to post data that DIRECTLY traces elements within Afro-American culture to SPECIFIC PLACES in Africa—And I've now provided this for you. And it is not surprising that the regions in Africa where we do these things are the same regions the slaves were taken from.

Seeing the connections between African & Afro-American cultures is easy to us cuz we still practice our cultures. We can give the Tribes, the Regions, & even the names we call these things.

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[thotsins]

So the important thing is for Afro-Americans to learn about their traditional cultures in Africa enough so that they know WHERE in Africa Afro-American cultural elements derive from, so that you don't go to either extremes of either blindly assuming Afro-American culture is African without having any proof—or blindly assuming it is not African, again, without having any proof.

All in love, I hope this info was helpful & provided what you needed.

[MRYOUNG702]

@thotsins You expect me to read that? How long did it take to write that? Put it in personal message i read those.. But from what i see you are just like every one else... You arguing fickle crap and stretching to pull Africa here... But what about Black Wallstreet? What about The Harlem Renaissance. People are going back to Africa and looking the smallest fathom of Africa, but that is a denial of that fact that Black People can progress on our own.. We DO NOT NEED AFRICA.. But we lie to

[thotsins]

@MRYOUNG702 Okay, I posted the info in your mail (even though it doesn't really make a difference since it is still the same amount of information) but anyway LOL!

You can read it to see direct ties of Afro-American culture to places in Africa.

However, I wonder if you just asked this question for evidence of "direct ties" to africa cuz you really WANTED to know, or if you just posed the question cuz you didn't think anyone would be able to do so.

[thotsins]

@MRYOUNG702 "What about Black Wallstreet? What about The Harlem Renaissance?"

What about them? A primary aspect of the Harlem Renaissance included things like Jazz music which I've already provided it's ties to it's African origins.

As far as Black Wall Street—did you know black wall street was referred to simultaneously as "LITTLE AFRICA"? It was the door of Blacks during the 1900s, demonstrating we had successful infrastructure. That's in part what it was all about.

[thotsins]

@MRYOUNG702 LOL! Are you listening to your own comments? Pay attention closely & carefully to what you're saying. "Crap" is claims not supported by evidence. "Truth" is backed by SOLID evidence. You've provided nothing, & even what you thought you provided i.e. "Harlem Renaissance" etc. betrays your claims.

Some afro-americans attempt to talk about what isn't african, but have any even come to a solid & complete definition of just what Afro-American culture consists of?

NOPE.

[THEMONITOR72]

Another African connection to African-American culture is the invention of the porch in American architecture. Yes Africans brought the idea of the porch to America from Africa. We also brought our ways of cooking with us. There are words that we brought with us that have taken root here like: okay, unh unh, uh-hum, doggies, bodacious, wow,elephant, gorilla, gumbo, okra, tater, bambi, and many more coming directly from Mande or Wolof languages.

[MRYOUNG702]

@THEMONITOR72 I feel what you are saying and we just had a discussion on a few of the points you made. If you take a lion out of Africa it will definitely still be a lion. But if you raise a lion in an American zoo after 25 generations and no one its bloodline has seen that lion would you be able to drop that lion back in Africa and expect it to just kill a zebra? The Zebra might kill it... So it is physically a lion and geneticlly a lion but culturally a zoo animal.

[MRYOUNG702]

@MRYOUNG702 Cont. Now our Zoo keepers (slavemaster) lest us go. We did not form our pride and go back to doing Afrcian lion things, Becuase there were no African lion things to do. There were no Savannah planes to hunit cape buffalo, or Hyenas to get in to fights with, So we adapted to what the animals around us ate, and now we survive off moose and American buffalo. that's why I said our CULTURE is not based in Africa.

[MRYOUNG702]

@MRYOUNG702 cont. That's proof that American Blacks went and did our own research, and came up with our own traditions. i.e. Kwanzaa (Also from Kenyan culture), and said "see we do have African culture.. Yeah you do, but it wasn't passed on you put it there.

[THEMONITOR72]

@MRYOUNG702 "American Blacks went and did our own research, and came up with our own traditions."

Every ethnicity brought things from their countries of origin. Xmas for example, bears little resemblance to its original source. It was adapted to fit life in America, & adopted by other ethnicities who NEVER celebrated it as well. What I'm trying to convey lil bro is OUR experience here is unique in that no other people here have been denied their roots as we have. So we MUST return to Africa..

[THEMONITOR72]

CONT. As the Italian-Americans in my earlier example MUST return to Italy to learn their culture. We came from all over West Africa so it might be fair to say that we have ancestors from all over West Africa as well.

The historical record helps us to understand that there is no place on earth where African people are not involved in some form of a colonial relationship with white people. The common theme of colonialism has changed and shaped EVERY African nation on Earth.

[MRYOUNG702]

@THEMONITOR72 The point I'm trying to make is if you feel going back to Africa will give you a better understanding of who you are as a person, then GO. But I enjoy the history, and I the idea of Blacks thriving in what is true home, but unless I'm staying that notion is fruitless to me. even Mexicans who are just South of us lose a ton of their cultural identity being here. Assimilation is natural and expecting, we would enrich ourselves the lose it all again

[THEMONITOR72]

@MRYOUNG702 I understand your point about assimilation. What I'm saying isn't contrary to that because the two can exist at the same time. It doesn't have to be one or the other. Asians are a perfect example of what I'm saying. However so are various European segments of our society. The point being, they impress upon the culture. So too have we as Africans here in America. For culture CANNOT exist without people to create it. America is an ongoing experiment in multiculturalism.

[THEMONITOR72]

CONT. Again, I am in no way discrediting the many contributions we've made in America. In fact I defend it regularly as many racist whites and misinformed African immigrants claim that African-Americans have no culture. To that I point them to our various art forms that came thru The Harlem Renaissance and other movements like Hip-Hop. I don't think we disagree on that point we diverge where culture starts and ends. The definition is both varied and complicated.

[THEMONITOR72]

Cont. I believe if ANY group of ANY Ethnicity is separated from their "homeland" and made "amnesiac" with their forefathers language, traditions and art forms then whatever culture they create is NO LESS authentic than ANY that preceded it. I'm saying that Africa is born in us genetically on many levels. Self expression in ANY environment thru thought, language, art, science, spirituality, social activities and interactions will ALWAYS take place wherever we find people...

[THEMONITOR72]

CONT. The various tribes in AFRICA didn't live in vacuums that is to say they interacted with each other in many ways. Igbo interactions with Yoruba made amalgams of both cultures yet that offspring of their interactions didn't create ANYTHING less Igbo or Yoruba. So when whites colonized them they didn't become less African by that interaction. Because then there would be no TRUE African culture on the planet by that narrow definition. That's why it's more about our genetic inheritance.

[MRYOUNG702]

@THEMONITOR72 First I would like to acknowledge that we had this entire conversation peacefully and repectfully, thank you. And though I can't fully see how anything in me is African other than my physical features, I can agree that we are suffering "homeland amnesia." (I like that term." And I will always support any back to Africa movement. And any reconnection to true African tradition. I just see how we are being discredited by it. And I believe that you it my actual feeling on the

[MRYOUNG702]

@THEMONITOR72 Cont. this matter when you said you have to defend that we do have culture here all the time. Its like telling us that we have to go back to Africa to be worth anything. Or to contribute to a society that we helped build. SO I feel that notion is part of what keeps the misinformed ignorant. Its like America doesn't even know what Black have done for it, and neither do the blacks. I do think we are almost saying the same thing

[THEMONITOR72]

@MRYOUNG702 Kudos on a respectful and civil debate. I rarely argue with Black folk uncivilly online or in person. When I spoke of going back to Africa, I meant it metaphorically NOT necessarily physically although that's okay as well. I'm saying the fact that we trace our lineage back to Africa and the fact that we identify as African is all we need to claim our "genetic inheritance". There are many hyphenated European Americans > Italian, Irish, Scottish. If we learned exactly where we came...

[THEMONITOR72]

CONT. from it would be something like Ghanian-American, Nigerian-American,Togolese-Ame­rican and so forth.Yet we would still be under the umbrella term of African-American. Initially when you said our history began here it comes across the wrong way. Because that's like skipping over the history of the Coastal Marches & The Middle Passages. Our history BEGAN in Africa. No doubt about that lil bro. BTW, I really don't believe in race ONLY as a social construct. Phenotypes are more applicable.

[THEMONITOR72]

But there is ONLY one race and that is Homo Sapien Sapiens. But if Race is a taxonomic category then EVERY human being is an AFRICAN. When I speak of genetic inheritance I'm speaking of phenotype. A phenotype is one's observable characteristics or traits: such as its morphology, development, biochemical or physiological properties that result from the expression of one's genes as well as the influence of environmental factors and the interactions between the two. Nice discussion I subbed.

[MRYOUNG702]

@MRYOUNG702 cont. It amuses me that weas African Americans completely ignore the Harlem Renaissance, and the Black revolutions that happened in American history. Why do we skip over all of Harlems culture and dig to identify with Nigeria?

As far as Black being done away with, that's silly, if we were to call us African Americans the next logical step would be to start Whites European Americans, Anglo-Saxons, why be so complicated? what point does that prove?

[MRYOUNG702]

Cont. Porches go all the way back to Greek culture. That list of those words is no different than A mexican listing Taco, horchata, rodeo, vista, etc. Of course our languages would infuse. but that is still no true proof that anything we do is truly based on African culture.

Here is my final proof. Africa is a Continent not a country. Slaves came from West Africa. Go back and research what exact country in your cultural tidbts came from.. watch Kenya, Ethiopia and Mozambique show up

[THEMONITOR72]

@MRYOUNG702 The analogy with the lion not withstanding, my main point is genetics and you have agreed on that point. Please keep in mind we are the highest life form on the planet and we create culture not the other way around. So if an Italian moved here in the 20's and was the last of his family in Italy. Married an Anglo-American.

Became Americanized.

Had kids and died.

Would they be Americans or Italian-American.

There are many types of Italians so you can't just say they could learn...

[THEMONITOR72]

The majority of the first immigrants to America came from Europe, bringing with them their European architectural traditions. These traditions did not generally feature a porch, since the porch in Europe was not an element of the architectural form. Hence, porches in the colonies did not exist as commonplace architectural elements until well into the eighteenth century...

[THEMONITOR72]

CONT. At this same time, some of the first porches in America were built by the immigrants from Africa. Possible derived from the houses of West Africa, the shotgun house, built by the African slave, appeared as one of the first American houses to universally exhibit a front porch. Perhaps it was this African influence that served as an impetus for all porches in the new world. The words cited earlier can be traced directly from Mande and Wolof scripts.

[53Africa]

@THEMONITOR72?They do it but they don`t know their Ebonics roots! First and foremost, the musical form that`s without issue came strait from the continent:Latin,Stamp dances came right out of SA Pantsula dance.I will show your proof of why African Americans speak Ebonics which is different from the way white people speak.The manner Black Americans, have own frances of words over what they call proper standard English and that even applies to other colonial languages like Haitian Creole.

[TheTempleofEthan]

@53Africa Bullshit - that's like saying shooting someone with a handgun is just a different way of saying hello. Ebonics, like that fake African Holiday Kwanzaa, and the fake Black History Month is just a cover up for semi illiterate blacks who read and spell as poorly as they speak. There is ONE American English and either you are intelligent and speak it properly or you are ignorant and can not speak it. It does NOT come from an island dialect or from slave masters. Ax Oprah about it

[53Africa]

@TheTempleofEthan?Freedom is not a peace of paper or the removal of shackles, FREEDOM is the right to choose together with the ability to subdue those who seek to take away that Right.The struggle is not for liberation, nor a struggle for land or sovereignty. It is a Strugle to recover Africa's proper Place in Human History, and to restore to African people what was taken away from them said Pan Africanist Dudley Thompsom.Check out your own Irish Parades in New Orleans with your Mardi Gras ok.

[TheTempleofEthan]

There Irish Day Parades are tradition because the Irish Immigrants BUILT NYC and other major cities. Blacks moved into major cities, and with crime and graffiti DESTROYED them. Crime in Detroit is FIVE times higher than in all of Michigan - because of blacks. The Irish don't have an Irish History Month, nor does any other race. Black History Month, like Affirmative Action are silly gifts we toss you way. There are more black male teens in jail then in college - worry about YOU not us.

[53Africa]

@TheTempleofEthan?Black History Month- celebration of African American Community which calls them into being as a people,serves as the source center for our striving and struggle together and play rightful role that our History shared hope & dedication to the good & meaningful sustained culture.Irish and Scottish,Germans,Spanish, Italians Parades and Jews do have their own particular Moth or days for their cultural activities. It is most essential and understanding for African Americans to

[TheTempleofEthan]

@53Africa Day long Irish and Scottish,German,Spanish, & Italian Parades have NOTHING in common with a month-long media blitz of the Black's "source center for our striving and struggle together and play rightful role that our History shared hope & dedication to the good & meaningful" You are clearly "lifting" another's words. You don't speak this way. By the way, the Jews have no such day/month of festive parades as you claim. Sadly,there is NO African COMMUNITY, only fractured groups

[53Africa]

@TheTempleofEthan?We have the Africans in the Diaspora, which is also called the Africa Community Overseas!Annual NYC Parade Celebrates Israel « CBS New York: Salute to Israel Israeli Day Parade Fast Facts.Where:New York City When:June 3, 2012 11 AM to 4 PM Parade Route :Fifth Avenue from 43 St to 74th.I am not English, at least i try my best but you dont even SPEAK OR WRIGTH IN ANY AFRICAN LANGUAGES! Parades is made up of traditional elements of Human History therefore it is White Celebrations

[THEMONITOR72]

"We are not Africans because we are born in Africa, we are Africans because Africa is born in us" Chester Higgins, Jr.

Our music and dance are from Africa my brother. If you choose to identify as a "BLACK" American as opposed to an African in America than your premiss is correct. We are what happens when you take Africans out of Africa by force and subject them to100's of years of different forms oppression.

If you take a lion from Africa it remains a lion, it doesn't become a wolf.

[THEMONITOR72]

Cont. Europeans outside of Europe and Asians outside of Asia remain Europeans and Asians. Why wouldn't the same apply to Africans?

We were Africans before we were slaves and the term Black never existed to describe a nation.

Self-determination allows a people to re-examine definitions and sculpt them to their reality. Black, like Negro is facing linguistic extinction, especially in academic circles.

"Slaves and dogs are named by their masters. Free men name themselves."

Just my thoughts.

[doctortobe3]

here's a basic idea for you to consider. unless you are saying african-american/black culture is the same or equivalent to white/european american culture OR you think that process of transporting slaves on slave ships or the labor and abuse involved with slavery can somehow magically produce unique cultural signifiers, what made white american culture different than black american culture? how can the difference be attributed to anything other than the cultural norms of their geographic origin?

[MRYOUNG702]

@doctortobe3 Black American culture is more of a subcluture of mainstream 0r "White American" Culture... What made them different is America's political history.. from slavery to present day. We are all Americans so to some point we are going to view everything the same, understand the same religious doctrine(Christianity, whether you believe in Christ or not, you will know some basic Cristian Concept), Eat the same food, (fast freeze dried and fatty), and view the world from they eyes of a

[doctortobe3]

@MRYOUNG702 "political history" is vague, & you have no evidence/support 4 the idea that politics can actually create new CULTURES that have no connection to old practices before the forced removal from their country. you can't destroy cultural memory specifically at it relates to tradition although you can reduce freedom & constrict the conditions of everyday life to abuse & menial labor. u have no explanation for the ORIGINS issue or the disparateness from white American culture (if it is).

[MRYOUNG702]

@doctortobe3 How is political history vague? How is America's racial dichotomy in the past vague? i pretty sure you aren't old enough to remember but you know what america was like just 50 years ago. King has only been dead for 47 years. How can you say that through tradition there is a cultural memory? That tradition was not allowed to go on. It was part of the psychological of slavery. To say they continued their African traditions thru slavery is to say that the MAster allowed and ...

[MRYOUNG702]

@doctortobe3 also to say that they ended up with people of their own homeland/tribe to continue in that tradition as well. there is proof that these people were caught from various places and then packed into a ship, Not all of them even spoke the same language.  Then when they were sold they were not sold as a family or unit of any kind group, so any one who managed to stay together through "shipment: was separated when they were purchased. Your problem is you still see Africa as 1 big culture

[MRYOUNG702]

@doctortobe3 also to say that they ended up with people of their own homeland/tribe to continue in that tradition as well. there is proof that these people were caught from various places and then packed into a ship, Not all of them even spoke the same language. Then when they were sold they were not sold as a family or unit of any kind group, so any one who managed to stay together through "shipment: was separated when they were purchased. Your problem is you still see Africa as 1 big

[MRYOUNG702]

@doctortobe3 so in your mind you thing a bunch of Africans must be sharing African culture, they can team together and do it..NOPE!! Not gonna happen if you can;t speak to the person next to you, or you worship a different diety. Your college culture course you took distinctively ignored that part. To White/Anglo-European/Caucasian­s, formed what is now America So White Culture is main stream American culture. That's why "going pop" is selling out to Hip Hop purists which is majority Black.

[MRYOUNG702]

@doctortobe3 citizen of a democratic country.. Because, by my argument, culture is based on where you are as opposed to where you are from, because of the fact that geographical location, and local politics, and religion plays such a big part in culture forming what can be described as culture, can change and reform simply by relocation.

[doctortobe3]

history didn't start with slavery, and africa was not isolationist. throughout history africans had a ton of interractions with europeans economically, socially, and otherwise for hundreds of years. when you are reading that comment, it shows that you are picking out weak comments to make your arguments look stronger.

[MRYOUNG702]

@doctortobe3 Im actually talking to you.. so is this a weak comment? The ones I;m responding to are the ones that show up in my inbox.. You;re in luck because Im online right now,.. BUT you are g'ving me no factual basis.. That's all theory.. Easy way is to look at how Blacks dressed.. it was clothes, American style, until MArcus Garvey.. Then Everybody was wearing Dashikis, and Red Balck yellow and Green, that was thepoint where it was infused back in. But there is no proof that it "survived"

[MRYOUNG702]

@doctortobe3 ... slavery. I need to watch the video again like I said I redorded it a million times and somepoints may have been missing, but I definitely remember making the point about Egypotian Blood as a response to a comment from some one saying it on a different video... (Tiarka), I also remember saying that it helped boost morale, and gave hope, but it was not exacly factual.. So you actually just proved that point. And I never said they weren'y African. I think I made it clear that I

[MRYOUNG702]

@doctortobe3 ... addressing CULTURE and not history.. so since we are talking culture, but using history to defend our view points what historical fact, document or artifcat leads you to believe that African CULTURE, survived 300 some odd years of slavery in America? There is none, But there is documented recorded proof of when American Blacks went back to Africa and chose what we felt would connect us to Africa... (Statues, clothing colors, etc.) Thats the basis of my argument.. not some

[MRYOUNG702]

@doctortobe3 Historical rumors....

[MRYOUNG702]

@doctortobe3 I just rewatched the video.. i definitely hit at every single point you made.. would like me to give you a list of times? where you can see where I said it?

[doctortobe3]

the connection to pharoahs isn't really about "bloodline" - that is a straw man argument because that is not what people are claiming. people look to egyptian accomplishments in science, mathematics, philosophy, politics, etc. as examples of excellence, cultural and economic domination -- something to be proud of (it's not about "blood" specifically). and, it is legitimate to consider many of those egyptian leaders to be of african/black descent. so you are misidentifying the argument.

[doctortobe3]

this isn't really true. it's hard to get into specifics because black culture in america is a product of the combination of white american culture and african culture. that is actual a pretty standard interpretation in cultural studies. although there was an effort to strip the slaves of their connection to their homeland, a lot of it was preserved, but it's hard to identify because it manifested itself in black culture as an amalgamation and its hard to specifically point out individual parts.

[714sunnyday]

your wrong some did go back to africa..we know the way african americans are self haters and try to steal others histyory.dont even try it dna evidence will always prove your monkey dna.. native american indians no monkey dna.

[MRYOUNG702]

@714sunnyday "M0nkey DNA" Vallejo is a small place cuzz...

[MRYOUNG702]

@MARBABY12100 correvt me if i'm wrong but the Carribean and that entire area South of Florida was a slave trade drop point? That means the African slaves were left in tCuba, Haiti So wouldn;t you also be of African decent, but Cuban heritage and culture? Like a Hatian or Jamaican is also still techincally African decent somewhere down the line?

[Tiarka]

...they wove the language in quilts (still in existence today). They had to learn this broke down English that we speak today. We've always had culture. We are in slavery now all over the globe. Katt Williams is just a Our House type nigga that think he got the right to disrespect black and brown people. He looks at the world through the lens of a slave. This catastrophe of black and brown people......that;s whats' funny Katt? You think Mexicans ain't ready to take that man head off?

[Tiarka]

Also, Katt Williams made the statement, "Remember when white folks used to tell us to go back to Africa, ...go back to Mexico..." ...indicating that he sees Mexicann Americans how white folks used to see us. A lot of us have gone back to Africa physically, spiritually and mostt importantly Mentally). That's why we have been able to come back and tell you about what's over there. Africans at the bottom of those slave ships could read and wirte in several differnt languages (not english)...

[Tiarka]

That's what I meant by knowing who you are. Everything built tody is based on what the Africans in the nile valley created. The proof is there bro. As long as people think like, well, we come from slaves and never contributed anything to civilisation...that's a lie bro! That is exactly what they want you to think! You have a bright mind and I don't want any self-defeating thoughts in you. You, we are their big masonic secret bro. Sincere support!

[MRYOUNG702]

@Tiarka But that is not proving that American Black culture is derived from African Culture... I hear what you saying and I'm not denying the contributions that Africa Made to entire world but what has Africa directly given us? Not much and really what we do have from Africa came from Marcus Garvey and his Back to Africa movement.. That all goes back to us making something out of nothing... It really sucks but Slavery disconnected us from Africa, and our heritage really starts at emancipation

[MRYOUNG702]

@Tiarka the self hatred (House nigga vs field nigga) Light vs Dark (Paper bag test) , the lack of Fathers in our communities, We took American culture and made it our own. Why do you think they copy us? Why are we so "cool"? That comes from a history, of being America bastard child that learned to do for self, and take little and make much.. Buy Africa contributed a lot to civilization as a whole. we just don't get any uniquely African attributes passed down, because if slavery.

[Tiarka]

You have some good points bro...but check it, when you just say that we don't know what happened b4 slavery and that's just it, so my culture is from slavery, that ain't right. Because we do know what came b4 slavery. Everyone wasn't a king (pharoh), but the point is that we had our own royalty as a visual, we didn't have to rely on Britain. The Greeks had no culture for anyone to steal, they learned from Africans. They stole nothing from Europe, they stole it ALL from Africa.

[Dramactica]

@Tiarka

umm...NO.

[Tiarka]

@Dramactica ...if you believe what u were tqught in school about Greece and Africa then I'm talking to a bric wall. But if you are a rational human being understand that racists & imperialists have been slanting history for about 2000 years, but they could'nt kill evryone and destroy every book. The truth is stranger than fiction Dramactica.

[usterdboy]

I and every other brother and sister should not label themselves African, Europan, Asian American, But We are now all just CALLED AMERICANS. we have all grown and created a culture and we all share and view this as are cumulative history of this country. I believe that we have lived and adapted and bleed for this land long enough that we should have the honor like so many other regions of the world be be called once and for all a RACE as colorful as the rainbow, but no the less a RACE.

[usterdboy]

First off my earliest part of my family arrived here during the civil war and my direct blood line arrived in the great migration from the old world to the new. I am 5th or 6th generation American. my ancestors came from Norway/Sweden. I have some cultural ties to the old land "as in foods and such" I do not call myself Norwegian American nor Norwegian. My family has been here long enough to disconnect from the old ways and create something new.

[shantonu9]

Another excellent video. "I was of the bloodline of people who had a king." That's some funny shit. Great points about food. I'm not black, but this makes a lot of sense to me. People should be proud of who they are and move forward. What does John Coltrane have to do with Africa? He was an American genius of African descent. Same for all the other great African-Americans.

[pharastar1]

@MsFacelessGuru I see a lot of africans dressing and acting more like african americans on the african channel and I have been to africa before and I mostly see them imitating african americans and when was the last time you saw a african american with clothes around their head you shore that wasnt a 5% percent like erykah badu that is a religion shes in.