Read Chapter 14 of Douglas Horne's book "Inside the ARRB". It proves the chain-of-custody of the Z-film was broken & was altered at the CIA's "Hawkeye Works" lab at Kodak headquarters in Rochester. It also gives ample evidence to show that the body was altered via clandestine post-mortem surgery just before the official autopsy began & that a shell game was played with 3 casket arrivals at Bethesda.
First of all it wasnt the very back of his head that was blown out. It was the rear section behind his right ear. Which means the shot DID IN FACT, come from the front. I dont need to go to Dallas to prove natural physics. Nothing moves towards the object that just struck it but rather away from it. Notice how he lurches backwards and towards Jackie? That means the headshot came from in front on the passenger side of the vehicle
@yipschnip I assume your are talking about the 27 degree downward head tilt when the fatal head shot struck. That was Mr. Meyer's calculation in his work "Secrets of a Homicide". Years earlier a NASA scientist calculated it at 17 degrees. In Part 8c I used 17 degrees. I think that shot exited a little low on the head. If 27 deg isn't accurate, it is very close to being so. So much so it isn't worth arguing about.
The Zapruder Film that has been released to the public has been altered by matting, reframing, retiming and stuff they did not want us to see edited out. It cannot be used as a reference point for timing because it is doctored and largely fabricated. I'm sorry, but this fact refutes your and any other argument that uses this fabricated production as a reference point on a scientific basis.
@KennethAlanJames All this was done to the Z film? How come with doing all of that they forgot to make it look like the shots came from the 6th floor window? The Z film had sections cut from the sides. I refer to z208 through z211 in particular. That was so one could not see the agents of the limo behind JFK's turn around and show when the first shot was fired. The Z film matches the math, the physics and the autopsy reports. That is a reference point that is proven by science
@Kens167 In fact the scientific community has proven that there is retouching of the blood spatter and more, besides the giant people in the background (reframing and re-timing work), the impossible extreme one frame movements of various people including the driver and his companion and by some of bystanders on the lawn, the numerous professional witnesses who all conclude through their independent stories that things did not happen the way it is on this film. Warren Comm = Kangaroo Ct.
That is the best explanation of the Teague injury I have seen yet. I have never tried to explain it because I don't have enough info on it. I'll try to look at it through your eyes when I get back. I have to have one more trip over the next 10 days. Thanks for writing.
THANKS for that great shot @1:35! This shows the declination in the road surface very nicely. This angle is critical in determining how the head shot was responsible for Tague being injured. Photos reveal the damage to the chrome strip at the top of the limo and the glass. Thee 6.5mm bullet weight was 165 grams. They only recovered approx 70 grams. from the front of the limo. This means the remaining portion exited the limo via over the top of the windshield and injuring Tague. GOOD STUFF.
The Z film shows JFK's head move ever so slightly forward befor the blast exits the upper right. This 'jet' of tissue matter escaping forced the head to push away in the opposite direction. It's only common physics. For evey action there is a reaction. No gun man on the knoll. No frontal shot at the throat. Just two shots striking JFK. One high on the back, exiting the lower throat threw the knot in the tie. The other in the rear of the head. The second one broke apart and hit Tague. Simple!
@MrTHREEDOGKNIGHT Thank you. Your note is like a breath of fresh air. You are absolutely right. Let me enhance this slightly. When the bullet exited, it put more directional pressure in the same direction as when the bullet hit the back of the head, further reenforcing the head movement from right to left. AND you can only get that result when a bullet passes through perpendicular planes! A shot from Dal is the only way one can get this result! Thank you for writing.
anyone ever care to think the gun or guns might have been hidden inside the car body work somewhere.a piller or seat after all secret service are the masters of deception and gadgets.just a thought.
@inkmeallover Good letter but the "entire parkland medical staff" did NOT say the back of the head was blown out, nor did they say there was an exit wound in the back. If fact, under oath, each Parkland doc testified the head shot entered the upper back of the head and exited out the right side of the head. No one, not one medical person at parkland who examined JFK said the back of anything had an exit wound. See next...
@Kens167 No parkland staff member who examined JFK stated there was a frontal throat shot. If you do the math, look at the angle of fire from the grass knoll and the position of JFK's head and throat, you will find a bullet would have entered the right side and exited out the left side. Thanks for the support on the Dal-Tex. And yes, the motorcycles and the shape of Dealey plaza made the perfect echo chamber. Only Gov C. heard a shot and possible the SS men on the second vehicle.
@Kens167 couple of problems with this. nurses and doctors there never regarded the head wound as a point of entry either. some have stated that they could feel the sharp edges of bone around the wound. have you seen that wound? im no doctor but i am a combat vet and have seen many head wounds from very high caliber weapons. theres no way that wound was a point of entry. the shot to the presidents head also forces him to snap back. cant do that from behind.
@SnakeBiteKisss I understand I was a gk fan until '92 when I saw JFK on video in slow motion. I was never in the service, but I did take 4 types of math and physics. Go watch my video part 8c and then watch 8b it will help. The entry wound was to the back of the head near the crown (right) the exit wound was to the right side in front of the ear. The head did not snap back, it rotated to the left, when it reached max point to the left the lines of force straightened see next
@Kens167 To all who read this- the Warren Commission drawing showing Kennedy's head looking almost straight down is ludicrous! He was far closer to erect! And this dumb film puts the limo a lot further up the street than what it was. The Z film is faked- in the Muchmore film Jean Hill and Mary Moorman are close to the back bumper while they are well past in the Z film. The Nix film shows JFK's head going nback and to the RIGHT!
@SnakeBiteKisss out and pulled the body over to the left. If you see 8b you will see that given the head position, a bullet from the gk would go in the right side and exit out the left, probably through Jackie. Every doctor at Parkland said the entry was in the upper back of the skull and the exit was out the right side. Go to the WC volume 3 and read the doctors depositions and they weren't just kissing the government's a either. The nurses were not in autopsy. More
@SnakeBiteKisss I don't know about the nurses, but the doctors did not reference them in the ER. In 1963 that would not have been that unusual since there was no procedure done other than a trache. Nursing was very different then. I don't know who is spreading the lies about the doctors statements, but in the depositions where one goes to jail for lying, they did not say the back of the head was an exit point. There is even a picture of the back of the head and the entrance pt
@SnakeBiteKisss I don't have a way of knowing the picture of the wound you are talking about, but I have seen the wound and there is no way there is anything but a bullet sized hole in the back of the head. Also you would like my book, "Triangulated Fire". You will understand a lot more if you read it. I was 14 on the day of the assassination and I have followed this case all these years. The amount of BS about it has gone up 1000 fold in the last few years.
@SnakeBiteKisss Oh, I forgot to mention that the book "Triangulated Fire" is available on Amazon.com. If you don't have a Kendal Reader you can download the reader program on to any PC and read the book. It's 9.99.
I believe the throat shot was a frontal shot. As you said Photoshop equals fraud or faked the Zapruder film has been retouched and cannot be trusted. I have to believe the entire parkland medical staff can't be wrong. You are correct about the daltex building providing the best angles for many of the shots to the President. Who ever did this used the best echo chamber so it sounded like shots were coming from all directions.
@TheBillpucci One last thing. I need to remind all that there were no computer graphics in 1963 or throughout the 60's and 70's. There was no "touch up" of the Z film. One would have to paint a new frame, photograph it and reprint it. If they would have done this, they would have made the frames look like the shot came from the 6th floor window. While Dale K. Meyers got the vertical angle wrong, he nailed the horizontal angle on shot 3. So no one "touched up" anything.
Good job Ken, very thoughtful .My question here is some people at Parkland Hospital have classified the throat wound as a small wound of entry. (before they hacked it all up) I would like to know is,if you take the frame that the Pres. gets shot through the neck(and raises his hands up and mark that spot, then line that point to the windshield hole( Dr. Glanges states it was a through and through bullet hole) you get two points of a line. If you extend that line where does that come out to.
@powerballone Actually the confusion was because a tracheotomy was started and confused the doctors about if there was an entry or exit wound there. The confusion was quickly cleared up. The bullet entered the back and cut the trachea in two. Dr Glanges (who ever that is) never had a chance to exam the windshield. The photos to the experienced eye (mine) says its a chip, not a hole. But if you tried to line it up with the neck exit wound, see next comment
@powerballone Actually the confusion was because a tracheotomy was started and confused the doctors about if there was an entry or exit wound there. The confusion was quickly cleared up. The bullet entered the back and cut the trachea in two. Dr Glanges (who ever that is) never had a chance to exam the windshield. The photos to the experienced eye (mine) says its a chip, not a hole. But if you tried to line it up with the neck exit wound, see next comment
@powerballone Actually the confusion was because a tracheotomy was started and confused the doctors about if there was an entry or exit wound there. The confusion was quickly cleared up. The bullet entered the back and cut the trachea in two. Dr Glanges (who ever that is) never had a chance to exam the windshield. The photos to the experienced eye (mine) says its a chip, not a hole. But if you tried to line it up with the neck exit wound, see next comment
@powerballone Actually the confusion was because a tracheotomy was started and confused the doctors about if there was an entry or exit wound there. The confusion was quickly cleared up. The bullet entered the back and cut the trachea in two. Dr Glanges (who ever that is) never had a chance to exam the windshield. The photos to the experienced eye (mine) says its a chip, not a hole. But if you tried to line it up with the neck exit wound, see next comment
@powerballone The shot would have come from up in the air above the bridge. However, it didn't come out the back. No one goes to an assassination with a .22 cal pistol.
@SUSSTURUCU All of this is a mystery to you because you do not understand math or physics. Learn some and the world will be a more simple place for you to live in.
so here is some math for you, 100 percent of the eye witness to the wounds at the hospital say the back of the head was blow out. so there is the math, 100 percent.
@datzfast Here is your math back at you. 0% of the hospital staff, including the ER doctor and the 3 autopsy drs said the back of the head was blown out. 0. That is Zero and in none, nada, nechevo (Russian). I am not talking about what some idiot put in a book, or what someone was paid to say in a film. I am talking about depositions where you go to jail for lying. Read the autopsy report, it is available from the National Archives. The blow out was to the right side of the head.period
@Kens167 Now the blow out of the right side of the head matches the Z film, frame 313. This does not mean the shot came from the 6th floor window. It came from the Dal-Tex roof. See Dale K. Meyers' "Secretes of a Homicide". He got the horizontal angle right. He got the vertical angle wrong see my video "Dale K. Meyers error and how to correct it". If the gov was going to alter the film, wouldn't they have made it look like the shot came from the 6th fl window?
I can not imagine being the children of John Kennedy. To see graphic photos of your deceased father in movies and on the internet. I mean come on these are human beings we are talking about. Just because they are public officials doesn't make them faceless subjects or topics.
@stayAU I agree that we should be sensitive to the feelings of Caroline and all the members of the Kennedy family. Robert's children and relatives as well. However we still need to discuss the murders because they are apart of the overthrow of the US Constitution and the ending of our freedom. The idiotic jerks such as Billy38010 and Tomaji69 who think all of this is funny should keep all of this in mind before they start making comments as a "joke". Thanks for writing.
@stayAU Just since the turn of the century the government has started taping everyone's phone and NOW, in the Defense Budget for 2012, the Congress has passed a law saying it is ok to hold US Citizens without trial or without being charged with a crime if they are "suspected" of being a terrorist. That is completely against the 1st amendment. Those persons of Congress who voted for that bill are traitors to their country and should be charged with TREASON like the assassins. We do NADA!
@stayAU So it is important to find where the bullets were fired from and who the assassins were. The took away the Constitution and their successors have not stopped in taking away our freedom. Soon our prisons will be full of people who disagree with the government. Obama has said he won't go along with this, but after he stops being President at the end of this term or the next, the final assault on our freedom will begin. So it is important to keep going on the JFK assassination.
@stayAU i think if the back of my head was blown off and the government said i was shot from behind i would want the world to look at it everyday until the truth came out. i think thats the ultimate respect i could be given. i will trust the 30 eye witnesses at the hospital rater than a government zapruder film simply because im not a dumb ass.
@datzfast and if the back of your head had been blown off, you would have a point. BUT the back of JFK's head was NOT blown off. The exit was to the right side just in front of the ear. What do you think that big flap of skull and skin was in the Z film starting at frame 314? An entrance wound is only the size of the bullet.
@Kens167 The "blob" is faked! The well-seen morgue photo has a small hole near the right temple- just as Kilduff and Zapruder both showed. The back of the head in the Z film is unnaturally dark! It was sunny day and even in shadow it shouldn't be black. What's more, in later frames after the head shot the entire front half of his head is missing! The morgue photo shows his entire forehead present! A shot from the rear at his true head position would have destroyed his face or forehead!
i bet you this,who ever decided to kill him,wanted to make one hundred percent sure he would die.so there must have been more than one shot,in fact many.be cause if he lived he may have been able to tell/pen point who they may have been.one thong for sure LBJ was involved,at least he knew it was going to happen.just remember they had to have a garuntee he would be dead,which again this means,more than one shot.
@Tomaji69 Good. You are an uneducated man with no understanding of math, physics or anatomy. I have tried to help you. You question my ability to write a book. I question your ability to read one. And by that I mean understand its meaning. You think a bullet fired at 90 deg would turn and come out the back of the head in a region that is below the head. Good luck and really get yourself some pampers and a bib. Your probably starting to drool one yourself as well. off to the idiot pile
I will always believe in the front right head shot as the second shot, come from the knoll, but one thing I will remember from now on, nobody will really know anything about this, till the sealed docoments and photos of this murder are opened in the year 2040, its my understanding that all info is sealed till that year..
@Bkeytx That is my understanding. Go to parts 8a, 8b, and 8 c of my work and see what happens and why from the 6th floor window, the Grassy Knoll, and the Dal-Tex.
I'm not sure what you're saying here, so I can't say you're wrong. However, I can say that---C. Hill and at least 30 others said it was the "Right Rear," "Posterior," portion of JFK's head that was blown out, "Not" the BOH---again, it's the "Right Rear." BTW, those photos of the autopsy you've shown are "Faked" not by you, but, by the Government. How do I know this as a fact, just look at the length of hair in each photo---in some, it's short, and in others it's long.
@billy38010 What they said was two statements that sound different, but mean the same thing. 1. They said the "posterior of the skull at the occipital region". To ordinary everyday folk that sounds like the back of the head. And 2. A large defect on the right side of the head. That sounds like a completely different statement. It takes 2 points to find a location. Like longitude and latitude on a globe. The posterior of the skull begins at mid point just in front of the ear canal..
@billy38010 The occipital area begins at the ear canal and goes to the back of the head underneath the rest of the brain. People without an education, like Tomaj69, can't understand that and so they keep believing the wrong thing. The Doctors depositions are in volumes 2 and 3 of the WC online. Look for either Commander or Dr. You will learn a lot AND the doctors didn't have to lie. The WC ignored the statements and the rest of the people did and do not understand the statements.
@Kens167 Oh, yes, I've done the research---Here is a WC direct quote from Dr. Humes: Scientifically, sir, it is impossible for it to have have been "fired" from other than behind (The fatal bullet). Or, to have "exited" from other than behind. IMO this statement is a case of Humes trying to say to history exactly what was going on, and his statement was completely ignored by--Mr. Dulles and the WC. Humes, always defended his entrance wound definition as being low just above the EOP.
@billy38010 Having read Dr. Humes (Commander) deposition and quoted him in my book, I am surprised at your claim. Could you give me the WC volume and page number where Dr. Humes stated this? It is not possible (in your statement) for the bullet to have been fired from behind and "exited form other than from than behind." You see the conflict?
@Kens167 Yes, the conflict "Is" meant to be purposefull and poignant! My source is the "JFK assassination witness page" if you scroll down 1/4 to 1/2 you'll see Commander Humes' answer to Dulles' question--Then Mr. McCloy asks him....in your mind that it was a lethal bullet---there is no pg. # on this site. I know from which I speak. Humes' testimony is deliberately obscure---he does make mistakes, also---so, if one wants to call that lying, or, at the least misleading, so be it.
@billy38010 Interesting. McCloy is not the atty who questioned Dr. Humes for the WC. His testimony for the Deposition for the WC was not obscure. All the doctors testified. All said the same thing. All referred to posterior and the Occipital region and then described the area on the right side of the head as the exit point. I will look up the "JFK... witness page" tomorrow and see what I can find out about it. Thanks.
@Kens167 In the WCR "Members" get to ask questions, McCloy and Dulles are members of the WC. Obscure, is in referance to Humes' use of "Medical testimony to hide from the layman the extent of the wounds to the head. Later, Humes' lies about the back wound in his testimony--on camera, and through his guidance of the Rydberg drawing, IMO.
@billy38010 Yes the WC member could ask question. I had forgotten about McCloy. I have read a lot of testimony. Dr Humes did not have to lie. A lot of dumb people make things up for him and then blame him.
@Kens167 I"m telling you straight out, Humes "Lied" about the back wound----in a 1967 film with Dan Rather Humes perpetuates the "Lie." The Rydberg drawings are a"Lie," and Ford changing the terminology of the "Back" wound to the "Neck" is another "Lie." Read Sibert and O'Neil's JFK autopsy report, plus, C. Hill's testimony that he was called back down to the Morgue at 3:20....."the "Back" wound was 6 in. below the "Neckline." Frankly, I don't believe you've done the research...
@billy38010 I have not only done the research, I have done the math on what was presented. I do not know where you are getting this crap you call "evidence". You just making this up or is this just one rumor after another going around to people in a "forum"? You certainly do not know what you are talking about.
@billy38010 Dr. Humes also described the entrance wound at 2.5 cm above the "occipital bone". He described that as the little round bone in the back of the head. Not possible to have entrance wound above the occipital bone and a exit wound below it. Triangulation shows the bullet from the grassy knoll would have to enter the right side of the head and exit the exact opposite point on the left side of the head. No bullet from the GK could have blown out the back of the head. see 8b.
@Kens167 Ah ha, but what if the shooter----(WC, Zapruder testimony:....."you know there was evidence of more than one--(Shooter)." ...was on the "South Knoll" there is a mild amount of evidence for one in the opposite parking lot---in your video the Limo is pointing directly at the "South Knoll" drain tower....that is the only area in Dealey Plaza that has been re-done??? I have a comment about Humes' testimony concerning the entrance (Head) wound---but, I'll wait, until your ready.
@billy38010 Zapruder did not testify to another possible shooter. Folks, why would they put another shooter feet from the public and possibly in amongst the public to get a very poor chance of getting a shot off? Too many ways to be discovered. The math says no. The physics says no. They faced hanging. All the shooters had good shots from the roof of the Dal. AND it fit their lie about where the shots came from on the down angle. Wonder why the FBI didn't give you the horz angle?
@billy38010 I just re-read his testimony. He did not say anything about another shooter. If you "think" he said something about another shooter, quote it and tell me where the quote came from or shut up.
@Kens167 Ok, Humes said they were confused by the (Head) wound, untill, an Agent brought in a Skull fragment from Dallas--and, when put together with the half moon shape in the Skull and the half moon shape on the fragment made a whole bullet hole---the problem is that the "Harper" fragment "Never" made it to the Autopsy--it didn't arrive for at least 17 to 20 hrs. The Harper fragment 2 1/2 by 2 1/2 in. was identified as being "Occipital" bone.
@billy38010 What a bunch of crap you're spreading. Dr. Humes used the occipital bone to locate the entrance point. He did NOT say it was missing. The "Harper" fragment did not exist. Not if you are claiming it was the occipital bone. Where are you morons coming from? All of you are doing a terrible disservice to the US. We need to get the truth to come out so we can get our Constitution back. Shame on you and the others who make this crap up.
@billy38010 Ok, billy, time to stop the "gotcha" This is important. You are not reading the two sentences properly. By the way my firs job out of college was teaching high school. What he is saying is it is impossible for the bullet to be fired from anywhere but from behind and it is impossible for the bullet to have exited from behind. Again he goes into great detail about the point of entrance and point of exit. I know the slow learners are going to jump all over me for this.
@Tomaji69 You would see looking at the skull like it is the rear of the head. BUT that is without skin and muscles attached. The part that comes back to the ears in the occipital region. That is why it isn't called the POSTERIOR region. No one saw the back of the head blown out. The Z film shows in complete detail the side of head above he ear being blown out and the flap it left open. Was that the occipital region? who u gonna believe people paid to talk to a camera or ur lying eyes?
@Tomaji69 Go to volume 2 page 351 for Dr or Commander Hume. He tells about the entrance wound ABOVE the occipital bone and where it is locate. The occipital region begins BENEATH that. It isn't the back of the skull it is basically UNDERNEATH the skull. Go visit a doctor. IT ENDS about where your ear hole is. What you refer to the rear of head is just the posterior of the head. IT IS NOT THE OPCIPITAL region. Look at the wikiepedia diagram again.
Bottom line to all of this is that there WAS a conspiracy & a deeply rooted coverup at the highest levels. Hoover, LBJ, The Generals, CIA (probably Dulles & his hand picked team)...financed by Texas oil buddies. I believe it was decided "internally" that JFK was a loose cannon to "the mission" (Ike's mission)...& in military procedure, if your commander is not carrying out "the mission", then you remove him. How do you do that if it's the Commander In Chief and he won't step down? Firing squad.
The BACK of JFK's head was blown out. The Occipital region is the REAR of the head. Watch this YouTube of Dr. Crenshaw, "JFK Assassination Interview With Parkland Hospital Doctor Charles Crenshaw".
The BACK of JFK's head was blown out. The Occipital region is the REAR of the head. Watch this YouTube of Dr. Crenshaw, "JFK Assassination Interview With Parkland Hospital Doctor Charles Crenshaw"
@Tomaji69 Oh, dear. There is no arguing with you about where the Right Occipital is. You don't know where it is. The autopsy drawing shows it. It isn't the back of the head. It is on the right side above the ear. I don't need to watch Dr. Crenshaw. Read all of the depositions. I beleive they are in WC book 3. All the depos, the Z film, the sound, the math, all agree on where the shots came from. NO REAR HEAD BLOW OUT!
@Kens167 - you have it wrong, there is no "argument"...the Occipital region is the REAR of the head....the "right occipital" area is the right side of the BACK of the head. You keep referring to the Temple area. Just Google it, look on Wikipedia (there's a diagram there)...I did more research to confirm this after your challenges. Now, do YOUR research to correct yourself.
@Tomaji69 OK here is the quote from the ER doctor in his deposition. You can find this in volume 3 pg 361. "Mr. Specter. Was there any other wound observed on the head in addition to this large opening where the skull was absent?
Dr. Carrico. No other wound on the head.
Mr. Specter. Did you have any opportunity specifically to look for a small wound which was below the large opening of the skull on the right side of the head? Dr. Carrico. No, sir…" RIGHT SIDE NOT BACK of HEAD.
@Tomaji69 No need to argue where the hospital staff saw the exit wound. I can quote everyone there. They had their depositions taken. The autopsy drawing, the Z film, the Hospital people, the triangulation say all the same thing. The shot came from behind and 9 degrees to the left from the DAL-TEX building.
@Kens167 - The hospital staff say the back of the head was blown out. You are misinformed and spreading lies. The autopsy can't be trusted, obviously, or we wouldn't be here talking about this COVERUP. Why not simply INCLUDE the GK in your "triangulation" and you'll see the real truth. Most apparent is to simply watch the Z-film in real time and watch JFK...it's 100% obvious he was hit from the FRONT. That bullet was picked up in the infield be a suit (missing, of course). If it was....
If the head shot was from the rear, as you claim, then that bullet would have slammed into Jackie, or Connally or SOMEWHERE and JFK would have been blown down onto the Connallys and NOT blown out the back of the limo like he was!!....give us your magical SPIN of what we actually SEE when we eyewitness this murder just by watching it. This is gonna be good...let me get my laughing cap on....OK, go ahead...I already took a pre-pee so I won't wet my pants when I start laughing.
@Tomaji69 No, the shot wasn't from the 6th floor window. It was 9 deg to the left of center. That is the side of the Dal--Tex next to ELM St. Go back to Part 8 c, actually go to parts 8a, 8b, and 8c. See what happens with a shot from the 6th floor window, the grassy knoll, and where I AND Mr. Meyers (horizontally speaking) said shot 3 came from.
@Tomaji69 You ever seen anything other that BS people who told lies for money that shows the effusion coming out the back of the head? This is just plain old Newtonian physics. With the head turned 25 degrees to the right, where would a shot had to come from to come out the back of the head? HMMM? PS. your old, get old peoples pampers. PS I'm old too but I don't pee myself.
@Tomaji69 Speaking of where JFK would have been blown down. The only way to get the head to spin right to left as it did is for the bullet to enter and exit out of perpendicular planes. That means those at 90 degrees. The only way for jfk to wind up where he did was to be shot from the Dal-Tex building on the ELM St. side. It is mathematically impossible for the bullet to come from anywhere else and produce that head spin. Still peeing yourself?
@Kens167 - You have me laughing so hard, I just can't help but pee myself...!! What an amazing set of lies & deceit...to sell your book, I'm sure. I don't sell anything, just tellin' it like it is. Watch this YouTube: "JFK Assassination Interview With Parkland Hospital Doctor Charles Crenshaw". You still have "Occipital" wrong and you're not man enough to admit it. You're book is flawed. Watch this YouTube: "JFK Assassination Interview With Parkland Hospital Doctor Charles Crenshaw".
@Tomaji69 The autopsy was ok. We are still talking about a cover up because you and others like you do not understand math or physics. I did include the GK in my triangulation. It is mathematically impossible to get that shot to come out anywhere other than the left side of the head. Your not too old to learn math. Try it.
The photo at the end says it all. Why on earth would you take your picture with the tree on your left, when the Mary Moorman photo as well as all of the testimony I've ever heard of states the shooter was on the other side of this tree.
If this small issue is any indication, I have to wonder how many other issues there are that would greatly alter any math measurement made.
@NeilCrouse I took the picture to show you what the scene looked like. There is the tree, the people, etc. To the left of the tree stood Mr. Z. He was standing on the pedestal I also took a picture of. No one would have tried a shot from there. No one could have been sure there would be an open spot to shoot from. You don't go to an assassination and HOPE you might get a clean shot. That is one of the two reason they shot from the roof of the Dal. Reason 2, same down angle as 6th.
@NeilCrouse Sorry... same downward angle as the 6th floor window. Without the Z film and without the sound record, how would anyone prove that Oswald was not the shooter? That is how they got away with it. I wouldn't doubt that CIA agents started the whole Grassy Knoll bit. It looks good, but it isn't mathematically possible. BUT so many people just love it.
why was Tippet killed? if Oswald done it - why the hell would he bother to eject (manually) the shells from his revolver? if he killed the Prez to make a name for himself - why would he 'emphatically deny these charges'?
@reefergladness The officer who picked up those shells which were from an automatic scratched his initials into them to mark them as evidence. Later when he was examining the evidence he discovered they had been replaced with shells from a revolver and the initials were gone. Tippit was killed specifically as a body double for Kennedy. Look up Robert Morningstar. It's way out there yes, but so is everything about this killing. Some think he was the shooter in the uniform behind the fence.
You are HORRIBLE at math. Yes, it was a conspiracy, but your "math" & your injury sequence is wrong. JFK was hit in the throat as he got to the umbrella man (gun in the handle)...no exit wound, low caliber. He lunges forward trying to cough up the bullet, causing shot #3 to miss his head, hitting his back 6" below his collar (shot #1 missed everything a couple seconds earlier). He instinctively slumps for cover, Jackie holds him up and BANG-BANG, 1 head shot from front, 1 hits Connally from rear
@Tomaji69 You might want to check the Altgens photo before you sign on to the z film. It is a still photo taken by an AP photographer showing JFK grabbing his throat just as they pass TSBD, not as they pass the Stemmons sign. You have to enlarge it to see what I am talking about. You can see his hands at this throat, and Jackie's white glove on his arm.
@TakeBackAmerica2012 - That Algens photo used a telephoto lens, so it looks like JFK is where you're thinking, but he is at, or just past, the sign. Note: Search YouTube for "JFK coughs up bullet" or such...this is a close-up slow-mo that shows JFK really IS pulling his tie aside with one hand & his other hand in front of his mouth, trying to cough up the "bug" (bullet) that just entered his throat. Very odd if THAT was shot in his back, eh?
@Tomaji69 No that's not accurate because if you look at the photo, the limo is just past the first street lamp on the right. If you look at other photos it is well before the Stemmons Frwy sign. A telephoto lens would not have distorted a picture that much. Abraham Z said he started filming just as the limo turns onto Elm street yet what do you see in the Z film? That part is cut out. When the limo turned onto Elm st the driver gets confused, and the shooter takes a wild shot.
@TakeBackAmerica2012 - Well, that's an interesting claim. Since Zapruder didn't know where the limo was, I thought he started shooting and just saw motorcycles, so he stopped shooting, then started again when he saw the limo appear. You're saying he NEVER stopped shooting? Did Zapruder say that? Where is your info about this? I'm very interested, of course. My guess is that Zapruder explains this somewhere at some time....anybody know?
@Tomaji69 Not only does AZ say it so does his secretary Marilyn Sitman who is standing behind him. She says he started filming BEFORE the turn onto Elm St, he says he started filming at the turn on Elm St and didn't stop until the limo drove out of sight under the underpass. See Abraham Zapruder Extended English Version and then the Marilyn Sitzman interview that was for The Men Who Killed Kennedy, both on youtube.
@TakeBackAmerica2012 I agree. I specifically stated that he started filming before the turn onto Elm, then stopped, then started again after the turn onto Elm. What has that got to do with anything?
@TakeBackAmerica2012 - I doubt that Mr. Z's secretary "knew" squat about when he filmed (or not) up there, but she might have been told by him exactly what he SAYS he did. Did she see the film? I would presume so. That first showing to SS and Life, then to the other news boys (Dan Rather in that group)....those were presumably the WHOLE film....? So, where is the whole film "evidence"....trust me, I wanna see it, not saying it's not there...what link or whatever please....??
@Tomaji69 No, but once he began filming after the turn, he did not stop. See his deposition. I just agree with what he said. One can follow from z 313 back to z307 and you will have the exact timing of the 3 shots that struck, once you account for the additional time the sound had to travel between the shots. See Part 2 or my book, "Triangulated Fire".
@Tomaji69 Mr. Z gave a detailed deposition. It is available online. Mr. Z did stop shooting after the first motorcycles turned the corner, but the limo did not. Then he starts up again and continues until the limo leaves under the bridge. He goes into complete detail. He even states his secretary made him go back home and get his camera that morning because he had forgotten it.
@Kens167 - There's a good example of how the worker gets screwed. I bet Mr. Z didn't give her 25% of the money and he wouldn't even have filmed that day if it wasn't for her. Life Mag. bought the rights to publish frames from the movie, but went back to Z later to buy the COPYRIGHTS to the film. THEN, Life SITS on the movie so nobody can view it...not until Garrison (the HERO) makes that happen in court. Lots of conspiracy evidence from Mark Lane too (read "Plausible Denial").
@TakeBackAmerica2012 There is no "cutting out" of the z film. The part where Mr. Z films and then stops is still there. Perhaps someone edit your version.
@TakeBackAmerica2012 I agree the photo was taken where you said the limo was. However, the part where Mr. Z started filming and stopped was not cut out... some may have posted a version with it cut out though. In the Costello stabilized version on can see him start filming and then stop. The shooter did not take a wild shot. I think, and I repeat, I think that Umbrella man was marking the safe firing zone. BUT no wild shot until shot 4, which was a pulled shot.
@Tomaji69 You can see the secret service looking back in the photo as some of them heard the shot. Look up Rich DellaRosa interview on Z film altered here on youtube. He describes the original film that he actually saw in the late 60s before the altered version was ever even shown to the public.
@TakeBackAmerica2012 - Well yeah, it was a simultaneous shoot AT the point of the umbrella man. So, JFK is hit in the throat (silencer pistol in umbrella grip) and lunges forward, causing a shot from the rear to hit him 6" below the collar in the back. That shot (and maybe another at the same time), was audible from the rear, so the SS agents look around. Pretty poor (drunken) training that they all look BEHIND them and nobody is moving to PROTECT the President!!
@Tomaji69 It was a one, two shoot. Then pause three, four. That was to make it look like one person shot and had to reload. The motorcycles and the echoes made it impossible to hear. It took Dr. D.B. Thomas in "Hear No Evil" to get the sounds straight. He and I still disagree over where the shots came from.
@Kens167 - A couple things about "echoes": One is that most "echoing" in Dealy Plaza is off the TSBD, the DalTex, the Courthouse and the other bldg. across main street (what is that one?). A dash of echo perhaps from the triple underpass. The LAST place you get any echo is the grassy knoll or picket fence areas.....foliage, trees, grass, dirt, air. Not only that, but if all 3 shots were from one point, the shots would all sound the SAME (same "echo") and at least 2.5 seconds apart.
@Tomaji69 You need to read the depositions of all who where there. Mr. Z couldn't tell where a shot came from because of the echoes. Ever been to a parade with motorcycles in it? You can't hear squat while they are around. I went to Gasparilla in Tampa for the first 20 years of my life. I'm still deaf.
@Tomaji69 See the work by Dr. D.B. Thomas. He has the correct timing of the shots. I Part 2 for free or pay for my book "Triangulated Fire" and you will see how the shots match the Z film.
@Kens167 I agree, but shot #1 was first (missed everything)...nearly everyone agrees on that. Yes, shot #2 + #3 (and I think maybe also #4) are at the umbrella. Then #4-5 or maybe it's #5-6. The reason I guess (yes, it's OK to guess) that it's 7 shots is because of the windshield shot and the curb shot. Now, maybe one of those two was the "missed" shot (#1)....BOTTOM LINE IS that is MORE THAN THREE (and too close together).
@Kens167 - No, shot #1 missed everything....that has been long established by everyone, including the W.C. - it's where the girl stops running in the Z-film. Shot 2 hits hist throat (frontal shot), shot 3 in his back (Connally reacted to shot #2 or #3, but not hit until bang bang head shot and miss that hits him, IMO.) I should have my last two shots BANG BANG, very close together, instead of simultaneous. Curb shot + windshield shot, makes 7 shots or so.
@Tomaji69 No it has not been long established by everyone. This is the heart of the single bullet theory. 2 things: 1. The autopsy drs showed the fragments in the Gov wrist and leg show there was not a single bullet. 2. Using Dr. Thomas' timing one finds shot one struck at frame 207. There isn't one bit of evidence to substantiate the first shot missed. U realy thing the 1st shot at the closest point missed JFK, Gov C, the limo and both lanes they were traveling between? Yeah, right!
@Kens167 - What has been long established is the first shot missing everything just after the limo straightens out from turning onto Elm. Some thought it was a firecracker...the little girl stops running. The W.C. says this also...then they claim shot #2 is the MBT and shot #3 is the head shot....the curb and spectator is a "fragment", as also is the windshield - and the windshield frame damage COULD have been "prior damage" to the limo.
@Tomaji69 There is this little thing called triangulation. Mr. Meyers noted that the shot that hit the Gov had to RISE by 1 deg. Not possible from the shot that hit JFK. Shot 1 did not miss. There is NO evidence that shot 1 missed. This is a fairy story from the conspirators. They guy who hit JFK twice with in the length of a ruler in less than 6 seconds missed a 6 ft wide, 20ft long limo and the 2 lanes it traveled between when it was at its closest point? Yeah, right!.
@Kens167 - Well, you're right that there is no HARD evidence of shot #1 missing. But, there is MISSING EVIDENCE, which is evidence of conspiracy (what is MISSING). Some things are based simply on testimony and what is seen in films, etc. I guess you didn't read the WC Report, right? Their CONCLUSIONS are THREE shots, the FIRST one missed. There is soft evidence of this....many witnesses saying they heard this shot (includes some SS agents), the little girl stops running, etc.
@Kens167 - I love how you say it was "impossible to hear". Why would you claim that?...yes, there was some background noise, but NOT ONE witness said that -- and I bet YOU were not there that day. The Secret Service guys could hear and several of them said the last two shots were BANG BANG. So do several cops and some street witnesses...I trust the "pros" the most, as street witnesses in these cases are the least consistent.
@Tomaji69 You really need to read the depositions of the people there, such as Gary Brehm, Mrs. Kennedy, Mr Z. They describe in detail the noise and how they could not tell where the shots came from.
@TakeBackAmerica2012 The sides were cut out from z frames 208 through 211, where the agents would have looked backed. See my book "Triangulated Fire" for this and other film tricks by the FBI/CIA. Including the FBI/Secret Services reenactment. That is amazing. You won't believe what everyone has missed in the reenactment. That alone is worth the $9.99. You will be embarrassed that you missed it. And for those of you who have bought it... Shhhh!
@Kens167 You're here to "sell" a story. That automatically makes me question the credibility of your statements. And by the way in the future if you want someone to buy something you're selling, don't be a smartass.
@TakeBackAmerica2012 I'm here to "sell a story?" I have done 22 videos for FREE. Think all those other authors GAVE their books away? May Steve Martin forgive me, but "WELL EXCUUUUSEEE MEEEEE!"
@TakeBackAmerica2012 Watch you're mouth stupid. You won't be the first person I've blocked. You think the 22 free video's is because I wanted to sell something? You're dumber than you look.
@Tomaji69 Actually, Mr. Altgens was just past Mr. Z on the other side of the street. Altgens set his camera for 60 feet. He was standing on the side of the road. It was not odd for a back shot. Remember that the bullet cut JFK's Trachea into. JFK could no longer feel himself breathe. Without a doubt, the bullet entered the upper back and went out the throat just beneath the Adam's apple. It was also at a 10 deg angle right to left.
@Kens167 - The BACK shot was 6" below the COLLAR at a 22 degree DOWNWARD angle. Please get out your protractors...all of you. The rifle was 68' above the Prez & the shot was 180' long. Draw it out. Now imagine a high velocity round driving into you at that angle that far BELOW the bottom of your neck. Note that the "trachea" is a deceiving term, because we think "throat", but it goes from our mouth to our lungs. The trachea was severed at the top of the lung, NOT the throat.
For the above data, I used SS numbers from their "Reenactment" film (I bet they loved seeing JFK go down!!). The back shot must have lodged in JFK's thorax, maybe off the upper ribcage. I think that BACK shot is what knocked him out, then he instinctively falls left trying to find cover, but Jackie holds him up. See this YouTube: 1964 SECRET SERVICE FILM (JFK ASSASSINATION RECONSTRUCTION)(PART 1) - also note in this how easy it would be to shoot JFK at the turn just under the window!
@Tomaji69 no. It went in the back-out the throat. shot 2 in Connally and out various places. First two shots struck. The firing point of each shot can be found with triangulation.
@Tomaji69 Thanks. I can't prove it so I didn''t put in any of the videos or the book, but I think that Umbrella man marked the ok point to fire. At least when he raised the umbrella. One had to be a certain point to match the downward angle of the 6th floor window.
@Tomaji69 You know I still get amazed when I read about the shots "lodging" or getting struck somewhere. You think professional assassins use .22 cal bullets? The used 30 cal rifle bullets. They don't get stuck, they go through people. They need maximum power to put the bullet in an exact location. They also use single shot rifles... maximum power, maximum accuracy. Period.
@Tomaji69 Pretty good description, except for the 180' long part. Remember a shot from the Dal-Tex has the same downward trajectory. That is why the 6th floor window was chosen. It was to hide where the real assns were shooting from. The trachea was severed at the same area just below the adam's apple as where the tracheotomy was performed.That is what caused all the confusion about the exit point at first.
Read Chapter 14 of Douglas Horne's book "Inside the ARRB". It proves the chain-of-custody of the Z-film was broken & was altered at the CIA's "Hawkeye Works" lab at Kodak headquarters in Rochester. It also gives ample evidence to show that the body was altered via clandestine post-mortem surgery just before the official autopsy began & that a shell game was played with 3 casket arrivals at Bethesda.
twanghang 9 hours ago
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fuck the new youtube. change it back. everybody post this on every video you watch from now on.
GianTheMan91 1 day ago
i agree by murdering JFK is treason , is a crime against all of America
bastards definitely another inside job, when are people going to get together and end this crap.
mephisto88x 3 days ago
Show me 1 person who falls TOWARDS the impact of a high caliber gunshot.
edawg781 5 days ago
First of all it wasnt the very back of his head that was blown out. It was the rear section behind his right ear. Which means the shot DID IN FACT, come from the front. I dont need to go to Dallas to prove natural physics. Nothing moves towards the object that just struck it but rather away from it. Notice how he lurches backwards and towards Jackie? That means the headshot came from in front on the passenger side of the vehicle
edawg781 5 days ago
3:27 that's a wild over egaduration of the angle of his head before the fatal head shot!
yipschnip 1 week ago
@yipschnip I assume your are talking about the 27 degree downward head tilt when the fatal head shot struck. That was Mr. Meyer's calculation in his work "Secrets of a Homicide". Years earlier a NASA scientist calculated it at 17 degrees. In Part 8c I used 17 degrees. I think that shot exited a little low on the head. If 27 deg isn't accurate, it is very close to being so. So much so it isn't worth arguing about.
Kens167 1 week ago
@Kens167 well i say just look for yourself, he's hardly looking down at all...
yipschnip 1 week ago
The Zapruder Film that has been released to the public has been altered by matting, reframing, retiming and stuff they did not want us to see edited out. It cannot be used as a reference point for timing because it is doctored and largely fabricated. I'm sorry, but this fact refutes your and any other argument that uses this fabricated production as a reference point on a scientific basis.
KennethAlanJames 2 weeks ago 2
@KennethAlanJames All this was done to the Z film? How come with doing all of that they forgot to make it look like the shots came from the 6th floor window? The Z film had sections cut from the sides. I refer to z208 through z211 in particular. That was so one could not see the agents of the limo behind JFK's turn around and show when the first shot was fired. The Z film matches the math, the physics and the autopsy reports. That is a reference point that is proven by science
Kens167 2 weeks ago
@Kens167 In fact the scientific community has proven that there is retouching of the blood spatter and more, besides the giant people in the background (reframing and re-timing work), the impossible extreme one frame movements of various people including the driver and his companion and by some of bystanders on the lawn, the numerous professional witnesses who all conclude through their independent stories that things did not happen the way it is on this film. Warren Comm = Kangaroo Ct.
KennethAlanJames 2 weeks ago
@KennethAlanJames Uh, yeah, right. Enjoy.
Kens167 2 weeks ago
That is the best explanation of the Teague injury I have seen yet. I have never tried to explain it because I don't have enough info on it. I'll try to look at it through your eyes when I get back. I have to have one more trip over the next 10 days. Thanks for writing.
Kens167 2 weeks ago
THANKS for that great shot @1:35! This shows the declination in the road surface very nicely. This angle is critical in determining how the head shot was responsible for Tague being injured. Photos reveal the damage to the chrome strip at the top of the limo and the glass. Thee 6.5mm bullet weight was 165 grams. They only recovered approx 70 grams. from the front of the limo. This means the remaining portion exited the limo via over the top of the windshield and injuring Tague. GOOD STUFF.
MrTHREEDOGKNIGHT 2 weeks ago
The Z film shows JFK's head move ever so slightly forward befor the blast exits the upper right. This 'jet' of tissue matter escaping forced the head to push away in the opposite direction. It's only common physics. For evey action there is a reaction. No gun man on the knoll. No frontal shot at the throat. Just two shots striking JFK. One high on the back, exiting the lower throat threw the knot in the tie. The other in the rear of the head. The second one broke apart and hit Tague. Simple!
MrTHREEDOGKNIGHT 2 weeks ago
@MrTHREEDOGKNIGHT Thank you. Your note is like a breath of fresh air. You are absolutely right. Let me enhance this slightly. When the bullet exited, it put more directional pressure in the same direction as when the bullet hit the back of the head, further reenforcing the head movement from right to left. AND you can only get that result when a bullet passes through perpendicular planes! A shot from Dal is the only way one can get this result! Thank you for writing.
Kens167 2 weeks ago
@MrTHREEDOGKNIGHT oops, i meant to say when the bullet exited or hit the right side of the head from the inside.
Kens167 2 weeks ago
THE BEST ORGANIZED HIT IN AMERICAN HISTORY
uneekre 2 weeks ago
@uneekre Yes it was! Thanks for writing.
Kens167 2 weeks ago
@AlienNewzNetwork Wow another 12 yo who has learned how to spell naughty words. Grow up. You're blocked.
Kens167 2 weeks ago
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anyone ever care to think the gun or guns might have been hidden inside the car body work somewhere.a piller or seat after all secret service are the masters of deception and gadgets.just a thought.
inkmeallover 3 weeks ago
@inkmeallover Good letter but the "entire parkland medical staff" did NOT say the back of the head was blown out, nor did they say there was an exit wound in the back. If fact, under oath, each Parkland doc testified the head shot entered the upper back of the head and exited out the right side of the head. No one, not one medical person at parkland who examined JFK said the back of anything had an exit wound. See next...
Kens167 3 weeks ago
@Kens167 No parkland staff member who examined JFK stated there was a frontal throat shot. If you do the math, look at the angle of fire from the grass knoll and the position of JFK's head and throat, you will find a bullet would have entered the right side and exited out the left side. Thanks for the support on the Dal-Tex. And yes, the motorcycles and the shape of Dealey plaza made the perfect echo chamber. Only Gov C. heard a shot and possible the SS men on the second vehicle.
Kens167 3 weeks ago
@Kens167 couple of problems with this. nurses and doctors there never regarded the head wound as a point of entry either. some have stated that they could feel the sharp edges of bone around the wound. have you seen that wound? im no doctor but i am a combat vet and have seen many head wounds from very high caliber weapons. theres no way that wound was a point of entry. the shot to the presidents head also forces him to snap back. cant do that from behind.
SnakeBiteKisss 2 weeks ago
@SnakeBiteKisss I understand I was a gk fan until '92 when I saw JFK on video in slow motion. I was never in the service, but I did take 4 types of math and physics. Go watch my video part 8c and then watch 8b it will help. The entry wound was to the back of the head near the crown (right) the exit wound was to the right side in front of the ear. The head did not snap back, it rotated to the left, when it reached max point to the left the lines of force straightened see next
Kens167 2 weeks ago
@Kens167 To all who read this- the Warren Commission drawing showing Kennedy's head looking almost straight down is ludicrous! He was far closer to erect! And this dumb film puts the limo a lot further up the street than what it was. The Z film is faked- in the Muchmore film Jean Hill and Mary Moorman are close to the back bumper while they are well past in the Z film. The Nix film shows JFK's head going nback and to the RIGHT!
tregoj1 2 weeks ago
@SnakeBiteKisss out and pulled the body over to the left. If you see 8b you will see that given the head position, a bullet from the gk would go in the right side and exit out the left, probably through Jackie. Every doctor at Parkland said the entry was in the upper back of the skull and the exit was out the right side. Go to the WC volume 3 and read the doctors depositions and they weren't just kissing the government's a either. The nurses were not in autopsy. More
Kens167 2 weeks ago
@SnakeBiteKisss I don't know about the nurses, but the doctors did not reference them in the ER. In 1963 that would not have been that unusual since there was no procedure done other than a trache. Nursing was very different then. I don't know who is spreading the lies about the doctors statements, but in the depositions where one goes to jail for lying, they did not say the back of the head was an exit point. There is even a picture of the back of the head and the entrance pt
Kens167 2 weeks ago
@SnakeBiteKisss I don't have a way of knowing the picture of the wound you are talking about, but I have seen the wound and there is no way there is anything but a bullet sized hole in the back of the head. Also you would like my book, "Triangulated Fire". You will understand a lot more if you read it. I was 14 on the day of the assassination and I have followed this case all these years. The amount of BS about it has gone up 1000 fold in the last few years.
Kens167 2 weeks ago
@SnakeBiteKisss Oh, I forgot to mention that the book "Triangulated Fire" is available on Amazon.com. If you don't have a Kendal Reader you can download the reader program on to any PC and read the book. It's 9.99.
Kens167 2 weeks ago
I believe the throat shot was a frontal shot. As you said Photoshop equals fraud or faked the Zapruder film has been retouched and cannot be trusted. I have to believe the entire parkland medical staff can't be wrong. You are correct about the daltex building providing the best angles for many of the shots to the President. Who ever did this used the best echo chamber so it sounded like shots were coming from all directions.
TheBillpucci 4 weeks ago
@TheBillpucci One last thing. I need to remind all that there were no computer graphics in 1963 or throughout the 60's and 70's. There was no "touch up" of the Z film. One would have to paint a new frame, photograph it and reprint it. If they would have done this, they would have made the frames look like the shot came from the 6th floor window. While Dale K. Meyers got the vertical angle wrong, he nailed the horizontal angle on shot 3. So no one "touched up" anything.
Kens167 3 weeks ago
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powerballone 4 weeks ago
new evidence being realeased may 2012 and your sniper positions are spot on
cullinane8888 4 weeks ago
@cullinane8888 Glad I did one final check of my mail before I left town. Excellent. Any information on who is releasing this?
Kens167 4 weeks ago
@Kens167 oops. I'll find out in a week. I am outa here and off to Florida!
Kens167 4 weeks ago
Good job Ken, very thoughtful .My question here is some people at Parkland Hospital have classified the throat wound as a small wound of entry. (before they hacked it all up) I would like to know is,if you take the frame that the Pres. gets shot through the neck(and raises his hands up and mark that spot, then line that point to the windshield hole( Dr. Glanges states it was a through and through bullet hole) you get two points of a line. If you extend that line where does that come out to.
powerballone 4 weeks ago
@powerballone Actually the confusion was because a tracheotomy was started and confused the doctors about if there was an entry or exit wound there. The confusion was quickly cleared up. The bullet entered the back and cut the trachea in two. Dr Glanges (who ever that is) never had a chance to exam the windshield. The photos to the experienced eye (mine) says its a chip, not a hole. But if you tried to line it up with the neck exit wound, see next comment
Kens167 4 weeks ago
@powerballone Actually the confusion was because a tracheotomy was started and confused the doctors about if there was an entry or exit wound there. The confusion was quickly cleared up. The bullet entered the back and cut the trachea in two. Dr Glanges (who ever that is) never had a chance to exam the windshield. The photos to the experienced eye (mine) says its a chip, not a hole. But if you tried to line it up with the neck exit wound, see next comment
Kens167 4 weeks ago
@powerballone Actually the confusion was because a tracheotomy was started and confused the doctors about if there was an entry or exit wound there. The confusion was quickly cleared up. The bullet entered the back and cut the trachea in two. Dr Glanges (who ever that is) never had a chance to exam the windshield. The photos to the experienced eye (mine) says its a chip, not a hole. But if you tried to line it up with the neck exit wound, see next comment
Kens167 4 weeks ago
@powerballone Actually the confusion was because a tracheotomy was started and confused the doctors about if there was an entry or exit wound there. The confusion was quickly cleared up. The bullet entered the back and cut the trachea in two. Dr Glanges (who ever that is) never had a chance to exam the windshield. The photos to the experienced eye (mine) says its a chip, not a hole. But if you tried to line it up with the neck exit wound, see next comment
Kens167 4 weeks ago
@powerballone The shot would have come from up in the air above the bridge. However, it didn't come out the back. No one goes to an assassination with a .22 cal pistol.
Kens167 4 weeks ago
@powerballone Remember the bridge had a lot of people on it.
Kens167 4 weeks ago
Two words to describe this video: Horse shit.
rappeed03 1 month ago
@rappeed03 Your not just an ignorant idiot, your a foul mouthed idiot. Off to the idiot pile with you.
Kens167 1 month ago
@rappeed03 Sorry, I meant to say an ignorant foul mouthed idiot. ooops.
Kens167 1 month ago
and PLEASE LOOK AT THESE PEOPLE WHO TAKE A PHOTO...
THİS İS VERY İNTERESTİNG...
PRESİDENT HAS BEEN SHOT AND THEY CONTİNUE TO TAKE A PHOTO
WE CAN'T KNOW WHAT İS İN THEİR HANDS ?
İS THİS PHOTO CAMERA or THE GUN SHAPED PHOTO CAMERA ??
SUSSTURUCU 1 month ago
@SUSSTURUCU See my last comment.
Kens167 1 month ago
THiS ASSASSİNATİON LOOKS LİKE A FUCKİNG PUZZLE...
NOBODY CAN KNOW THAT THE LAST SHOT CAME FROM
MAYBE TRAİN STATİON,MAYBE GRASSY KNOLL,MAYBE OVER THE BRİDGE,MAYBE İNSİDE OF JUST ANY CAR.....
TOO MANY probability
SUSSTURUCU 1 month ago
@SUSSTURUCU All of this is a mystery to you because you do not understand math or physics. Learn some and the world will be a more simple place for you to live in.
Kens167 1 month ago
so here is some math for you, 100 percent of the eye witness to the wounds at the hospital say the back of the head was blow out. so there is the math, 100 percent.
datzfast 1 month ago
@datzfast Here is your math back at you. 0% of the hospital staff, including the ER doctor and the 3 autopsy drs said the back of the head was blown out. 0. That is Zero and in none, nada, nechevo (Russian). I am not talking about what some idiot put in a book, or what someone was paid to say in a film. I am talking about depositions where you go to jail for lying. Read the autopsy report, it is available from the National Archives. The blow out was to the right side of the head.period
Kens167 1 month ago
@Kens167 Now the blow out of the right side of the head matches the Z film, frame 313. This does not mean the shot came from the 6th floor window. It came from the Dal-Tex roof. See Dale K. Meyers' "Secretes of a Homicide". He got the horizontal angle right. He got the vertical angle wrong see my video "Dale K. Meyers error and how to correct it". If the gov was going to alter the film, wouldn't they have made it look like the shot came from the 6th fl window?
Kens167 1 month ago
@datzfast Sorry, I meant see "Mr. Dale K. Meyers' Error and how to fix it."
Kens167 1 month ago
I can not imagine being the children of John Kennedy. To see graphic photos of your deceased father in movies and on the internet. I mean come on these are human beings we are talking about. Just because they are public officials doesn't make them faceless subjects or topics.
stayAU 1 month ago
@stayAU I agree that we should be sensitive to the feelings of Caroline and all the members of the Kennedy family. Robert's children and relatives as well. However we still need to discuss the murders because they are apart of the overthrow of the US Constitution and the ending of our freedom. The idiotic jerks such as Billy38010 and Tomaji69 who think all of this is funny should keep all of this in mind before they start making comments as a "joke". Thanks for writing.
Kens167 1 month ago
@stayAU Just since the turn of the century the government has started taping everyone's phone and NOW, in the Defense Budget for 2012, the Congress has passed a law saying it is ok to hold US Citizens without trial or without being charged with a crime if they are "suspected" of being a terrorist. That is completely against the 1st amendment. Those persons of Congress who voted for that bill are traitors to their country and should be charged with TREASON like the assassins. We do NADA!
Kens167 1 month ago
@stayAU So it is important to find where the bullets were fired from and who the assassins were. The took away the Constitution and their successors have not stopped in taking away our freedom. Soon our prisons will be full of people who disagree with the government. Obama has said he won't go along with this, but after he stops being President at the end of this term or the next, the final assault on our freedom will begin. So it is important to keep going on the JFK assassination.
Kens167 1 month ago
@stayAU i think if the back of my head was blown off and the government said i was shot from behind i would want the world to look at it everyday until the truth came out. i think thats the ultimate respect i could be given. i will trust the 30 eye witnesses at the hospital rater than a government zapruder film simply because im not a dumb ass.
datzfast 1 month ago
@datzfast and if the back of your head had been blown off, you would have a point. BUT the back of JFK's head was NOT blown off. The exit was to the right side just in front of the ear. What do you think that big flap of skull and skin was in the Z film starting at frame 314? An entrance wound is only the size of the bullet.
Kens167 3 weeks ago
@Kens167 The "blob" is faked! The well-seen morgue photo has a small hole near the right temple- just as Kilduff and Zapruder both showed. The back of the head in the Z film is unnaturally dark! It was sunny day and even in shadow it shouldn't be black. What's more, in later frames after the head shot the entire front half of his head is missing! The morgue photo shows his entire forehead present! A shot from the rear at his true head position would have destroyed his face or forehead!
tregoj1 2 weeks ago
i bet you this,who ever decided to kill him,wanted to make one hundred percent sure he would die.so there must have been more than one shot,in fact many.be cause if he lived he may have been able to tell/pen point who they may have been.one thong for sure LBJ was involved,at least he knew it was going to happen.just remember they had to have a garuntee he would be dead,which again this means,more than one shot.
Mr1963chevy 1 month ago
@Mr1963chevy You are 100% right. Now people are arguing over how many shooters and where they were. That is a step in the right direction.
Kens167 1 month ago
@Tomaji69 Good. You are an uneducated man with no understanding of math, physics or anatomy. I have tried to help you. You question my ability to write a book. I question your ability to read one. And by that I mean understand its meaning. You think a bullet fired at 90 deg would turn and come out the back of the head in a region that is below the head. Good luck and really get yourself some pampers and a bib. Your probably starting to drool one yourself as well. off to the idiot pile
Kens167 1 month ago
I will always believe in the front right head shot as the second shot, come from the knoll, but one thing I will remember from now on, nobody will really know anything about this, till the sealed docoments and photos of this murder are opened in the year 2040, its my understanding that all info is sealed till that year..
Bkeytx 1 month ago
@Bkeytx That is my understanding. Go to parts 8a, 8b, and 8 c of my work and see what happens and why from the 6th floor window, the Grassy Knoll, and the Dal-Tex.
Kens167 1 month ago
I'm not sure what you're saying here, so I can't say you're wrong. However, I can say that---C. Hill and at least 30 others said it was the "Right Rear," "Posterior," portion of JFK's head that was blown out, "Not" the BOH---again, it's the "Right Rear." BTW, those photos of the autopsy you've shown are "Faked" not by you, but, by the Government. How do I know this as a fact, just look at the length of hair in each photo---in some, it's short, and in others it's long.
billy38010 1 month ago
@billy38010 What they said was two statements that sound different, but mean the same thing. 1. They said the "posterior of the skull at the occipital region". To ordinary everyday folk that sounds like the back of the head. And 2. A large defect on the right side of the head. That sounds like a completely different statement. It takes 2 points to find a location. Like longitude and latitude on a globe. The posterior of the skull begins at mid point just in front of the ear canal..
Kens167 1 month ago
@billy38010 The occipital area begins at the ear canal and goes to the back of the head underneath the rest of the brain. People without an education, like Tomaj69, can't understand that and so they keep believing the wrong thing. The Doctors depositions are in volumes 2 and 3 of the WC online. Look for either Commander or Dr. You will learn a lot AND the doctors didn't have to lie. The WC ignored the statements and the rest of the people did and do not understand the statements.
Kens167 1 month ago
@Kens167 Oh, yes, I've done the research---Here is a WC direct quote from Dr. Humes: Scientifically, sir, it is impossible for it to have have been "fired" from other than behind (The fatal bullet). Or, to have "exited" from other than behind. IMO this statement is a case of Humes trying to say to history exactly what was going on, and his statement was completely ignored by--Mr. Dulles and the WC. Humes, always defended his entrance wound definition as being low just above the EOP.
billy38010 1 month ago
@billy38010 Having read Dr. Humes (Commander) deposition and quoted him in my book, I am surprised at your claim. Could you give me the WC volume and page number where Dr. Humes stated this? It is not possible (in your statement) for the bullet to have been fired from behind and "exited form other than from than behind." You see the conflict?
Kens167 1 month ago
@Kens167 Yes, the conflict "Is" meant to be purposefull and poignant! My source is the "JFK assassination witness page" if you scroll down 1/4 to 1/2 you'll see Commander Humes' answer to Dulles' question--Then Mr. McCloy asks him....in your mind that it was a lethal bullet---there is no pg. # on this site. I know from which I speak. Humes' testimony is deliberately obscure---he does make mistakes, also---so, if one wants to call that lying, or, at the least misleading, so be it.
billy38010 1 month ago
@billy38010 Interesting. McCloy is not the atty who questioned Dr. Humes for the WC. His testimony for the Deposition for the WC was not obscure. All the doctors testified. All said the same thing. All referred to posterior and the Occipital region and then described the area on the right side of the head as the exit point. I will look up the "JFK... witness page" tomorrow and see what I can find out about it. Thanks.
Kens167 1 month ago
@Kens167 In the WCR "Members" get to ask questions, McCloy and Dulles are members of the WC. Obscure, is in referance to Humes' use of "Medical testimony to hide from the layman the extent of the wounds to the head. Later, Humes' lies about the back wound in his testimony--on camera, and through his guidance of the Rydberg drawing, IMO.
billy38010 1 month ago
@billy38010 Yes the WC member could ask question. I had forgotten about McCloy. I have read a lot of testimony. Dr Humes did not have to lie. A lot of dumb people make things up for him and then blame him.
Kens167 1 month ago
@Kens167 I"m telling you straight out, Humes "Lied" about the back wound----in a 1967 film with Dan Rather Humes perpetuates the "Lie." The Rydberg drawings are a"Lie," and Ford changing the terminology of the "Back" wound to the "Neck" is another "Lie." Read Sibert and O'Neil's JFK autopsy report, plus, C. Hill's testimony that he was called back down to the Morgue at 3:20....."the "Back" wound was 6 in. below the "Neckline." Frankly, I don't believe you've done the research...
billy38010 1 month ago
@billy38010 I have not only done the research, I have done the math on what was presented. I do not know where you are getting this crap you call "evidence". You just making this up or is this just one rumor after another going around to people in a "forum"? You certainly do not know what you are talking about.
Kens167 1 month ago
@billy38010 Dr. Humes also described the entrance wound at 2.5 cm above the "occipital bone". He described that as the little round bone in the back of the head. Not possible to have entrance wound above the occipital bone and a exit wound below it. Triangulation shows the bullet from the grassy knoll would have to enter the right side of the head and exit the exact opposite point on the left side of the head. No bullet from the GK could have blown out the back of the head. see 8b.
Kens167 1 month ago
@Kens167 Ah ha, but what if the shooter----(WC, Zapruder testimony:....."you know there was evidence of more than one--(Shooter)." ...was on the "South Knoll" there is a mild amount of evidence for one in the opposite parking lot---in your video the Limo is pointing directly at the "South Knoll" drain tower....that is the only area in Dealey Plaza that has been re-done??? I have a comment about Humes' testimony concerning the entrance (Head) wound---but, I'll wait, until your ready.
billy38010 1 month ago
@billy38010 Zapruder did not testify to another possible shooter. Folks, why would they put another shooter feet from the public and possibly in amongst the public to get a very poor chance of getting a shot off? Too many ways to be discovered. The math says no. The physics says no. They faced hanging. All the shooters had good shots from the roof of the Dal. AND it fit their lie about where the shots came from on the down angle. Wonder why the FBI didn't give you the horz angle?
Kens167 1 month ago
@Kens167 Zapruder said it, it's almost the last statement he makes, it's at the end of his testimony to the WC.
billy38010 1 month ago
@billy38010 I just re-read his testimony. He did not say anything about another shooter. If you "think" he said something about another shooter, quote it and tell me where the quote came from or shut up.
Kens167 1 month ago
@billy38010 Ok go with your big "gotcha!" comment.
Kens167 1 month ago
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billy38010 1 month ago
@Kens167 Ok, Humes said they were confused by the (Head) wound, untill, an Agent brought in a Skull fragment from Dallas--and, when put together with the half moon shape in the Skull and the half moon shape on the fragment made a whole bullet hole---the problem is that the "Harper" fragment "Never" made it to the Autopsy--it didn't arrive for at least 17 to 20 hrs. The Harper fragment 2 1/2 by 2 1/2 in. was identified as being "Occipital" bone.
Dal Tex--shooter, ok I agree.
billy38010 1 month ago
@billy38010 What a bunch of crap you're spreading. Dr. Humes used the occipital bone to locate the entrance point. He did NOT say it was missing. The "Harper" fragment did not exist. Not if you are claiming it was the occipital bone. Where are you morons coming from? All of you are doing a terrible disservice to the US. We need to get the truth to come out so we can get our Constitution back. Shame on you and the others who make this crap up.
Kens167 1 month ago
@billy38010 Ok, billy, time to stop the "gotcha" This is important. You are not reading the two sentences properly. By the way my firs job out of college was teaching high school. What he is saying is it is impossible for the bullet to be fired from anywhere but from behind and it is impossible for the bullet to have exited from behind. Again he goes into great detail about the point of entrance and point of exit. I know the slow learners are going to jump all over me for this.
Kens167 1 month ago
@Kens167 BS, I have a B.A. in CRJ, I"Know" what critical thinking is, apparently you can't "Read."
billy38010 1 month ago
@billy38010 Really? Try doing some sometime.
Kens167 1 month ago
@Tomaji69 You would see looking at the skull like it is the rear of the head. BUT that is without skin and muscles attached. The part that comes back to the ears in the occipital region. That is why it isn't called the POSTERIOR region. No one saw the back of the head blown out. The Z film shows in complete detail the side of head above he ear being blown out and the flap it left open. Was that the occipital region? who u gonna believe people paid to talk to a camera or ur lying eyes?
Kens167 1 month ago
@Tomaji69 Go to volume 2 page 351 for Dr or Commander Hume. He tells about the entrance wound ABOVE the occipital bone and where it is locate. The occipital region begins BENEATH that. It isn't the back of the skull it is basically UNDERNEATH the skull. Go visit a doctor. IT ENDS about where your ear hole is. What you refer to the rear of head is just the posterior of the head. IT IS NOT THE OPCIPITAL region. Look at the wikiepedia diagram again.
Kens167 1 month ago
Watch this YouTube: "JFK Assassination Interview With Parkland Hospital Doctor Charles Crenshaw".
Tomaji69 1 month ago
Bottom line to all of this is that there WAS a conspiracy & a deeply rooted coverup at the highest levels. Hoover, LBJ, The Generals, CIA (probably Dulles & his hand picked team)...financed by Texas oil buddies. I believe it was decided "internally" that JFK was a loose cannon to "the mission" (Ike's mission)...& in military procedure, if your commander is not carrying out "the mission", then you remove him. How do you do that if it's the Commander In Chief and he won't step down? Firing squad.
Tomaji69 1 month ago
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The BACK of JFK's head was blown out. The Occipital region is the REAR of the head. Watch this YouTube of Dr. Crenshaw, "JFK Assassination Interview With Parkland Hospital Doctor Charles Crenshaw".
Tomaji69 1 month ago
The BACK of JFK's head was blown out. The Occipital region is the REAR of the head. Watch this YouTube of Dr. Crenshaw, "JFK Assassination Interview With Parkland Hospital Doctor Charles Crenshaw"
Tomaji69 1 month ago
@Tomaji69 Oh, dear. There is no arguing with you about where the Right Occipital is. You don't know where it is. The autopsy drawing shows it. It isn't the back of the head. It is on the right side above the ear. I don't need to watch Dr. Crenshaw. Read all of the depositions. I beleive they are in WC book 3. All the depos, the Z film, the sound, the math, all agree on where the shots came from. NO REAR HEAD BLOW OUT!
Kens167 1 month ago
@Kens167 - you have it wrong, there is no "argument"...the Occipital region is the REAR of the head....the "right occipital" area is the right side of the BACK of the head. You keep referring to the Temple area. Just Google it, look on Wikipedia (there's a diagram there)...I did more research to confirm this after your challenges. Now, do YOUR research to correct yourself.
Tomaji69 1 month ago
@Tomaji69 OK here is the quote from the ER doctor in his deposition. You can find this in volume 3 pg 361. "Mr. Specter. Was there any other wound observed on the head in addition to this large opening where the skull was absent?
Dr. Carrico. No other wound on the head.
Mr. Specter. Did you have any opportunity specifically to look for a small wound which was below the large opening of the skull on the right side of the head? Dr. Carrico. No, sir…" RIGHT SIDE NOT BACK of HEAD.
Kens167 1 month ago
@Tomaji69 No need to argue where the hospital staff saw the exit wound. I can quote everyone there. They had their depositions taken. The autopsy drawing, the Z film, the Hospital people, the triangulation say all the same thing. The shot came from behind and 9 degrees to the left from the DAL-TEX building.
Kens167 1 month ago
@Kens167 - The hospital staff say the back of the head was blown out. You are misinformed and spreading lies. The autopsy can't be trusted, obviously, or we wouldn't be here talking about this COVERUP. Why not simply INCLUDE the GK in your "triangulation" and you'll see the real truth. Most apparent is to simply watch the Z-film in real time and watch JFK...it's 100% obvious he was hit from the FRONT. That bullet was picked up in the infield be a suit (missing, of course). If it was....
Tomaji69 1 month ago
If the head shot was from the rear, as you claim, then that bullet would have slammed into Jackie, or Connally or SOMEWHERE and JFK would have been blown down onto the Connallys and NOT blown out the back of the limo like he was!!....give us your magical SPIN of what we actually SEE when we eyewitness this murder just by watching it. This is gonna be good...let me get my laughing cap on....OK, go ahead...I already took a pre-pee so I won't wet my pants when I start laughing.
Tomaji69 1 month ago
@Tomaji69 No, the shot wasn't from the 6th floor window. It was 9 deg to the left of center. That is the side of the Dal--Tex next to ELM St. Go back to Part 8 c, actually go to parts 8a, 8b, and 8c. See what happens with a shot from the 6th floor window, the grassy knoll, and where I AND Mr. Meyers (horizontally speaking) said shot 3 came from.
Kens167 1 month ago
@Tomaji69 You ever seen anything other that BS people who told lies for money that shows the effusion coming out the back of the head? This is just plain old Newtonian physics. With the head turned 25 degrees to the right, where would a shot had to come from to come out the back of the head? HMMM? PS. your old, get old peoples pampers. PS I'm old too but I don't pee myself.
Kens167 1 month ago
@Tomaji69 Speaking of where JFK would have been blown down. The only way to get the head to spin right to left as it did is for the bullet to enter and exit out of perpendicular planes. That means those at 90 degrees. The only way for jfk to wind up where he did was to be shot from the Dal-Tex building on the ELM St. side. It is mathematically impossible for the bullet to come from anywhere else and produce that head spin. Still peeing yourself?
Kens167 1 month ago
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@Kens167 - You have me laughing so hard, I just can't help but pee myself...!! What an amazing set of lies & deceit...to sell your book, I'm sure. I don't sell anything, just tellin' it like it is. Watch this YouTube: "JFK Assassination Interview With Parkland Hospital Doctor Charles Crenshaw". You still have "Occipital" wrong and you're not man enough to admit it. You're book is flawed. Watch this YouTube: "JFK Assassination Interview With Parkland Hospital Doctor Charles Crenshaw".
Tomaji69 1 month ago
@Tomaji69 The autopsy was ok. We are still talking about a cover up because you and others like you do not understand math or physics. I did include the GK in my triangulation. It is mathematically impossible to get that shot to come out anywhere other than the left side of the head. Your not too old to learn math. Try it.
Kens167 1 month ago
@Kens167 See Part B for the triangulation from the GK.
Kens167 1 month ago
@Tomaji69 See Part B for the triangulation from the GK.
Kens167 1 month ago
The photo at the end says it all. Why on earth would you take your picture with the tree on your left, when the Mary Moorman photo as well as all of the testimony I've ever heard of states the shooter was on the other side of this tree.
If this small issue is any indication, I have to wonder how many other issues there are that would greatly alter any math measurement made.
NeilCrouse 1 month ago
@NeilCrouse I took the picture to show you what the scene looked like. There is the tree, the people, etc. To the left of the tree stood Mr. Z. He was standing on the pedestal I also took a picture of. No one would have tried a shot from there. No one could have been sure there would be an open spot to shoot from. You don't go to an assassination and HOPE you might get a clean shot. That is one of the two reason they shot from the roof of the Dal. Reason 2, same down angle as 6th.
Kens167 1 month ago
@NeilCrouse Sorry... same downward angle as the 6th floor window. Without the Z film and without the sound record, how would anyone prove that Oswald was not the shooter? That is how they got away with it. I wouldn't doubt that CIA agents started the whole Grassy Knoll bit. It looks good, but it isn't mathematically possible. BUT so many people just love it.
Kens167 1 month ago
why was Tippet killed? if Oswald done it - why the hell would he bother to eject (manually) the shells from his revolver? if he killed the Prez to make a name for himself - why would he 'emphatically deny these charges'?
no pun intended - but none of this 'ads up'!
reefergladness 1 month ago
@reefergladness The officer who picked up those shells which were from an automatic scratched his initials into them to mark them as evidence. Later when he was examining the evidence he discovered they had been replaced with shells from a revolver and the initials were gone. Tippit was killed specifically as a body double for Kennedy. Look up Robert Morningstar. It's way out there yes, but so is everything about this killing. Some think he was the shooter in the uniform behind the fence.
TakeBackAmerica2012 1 month ago
@TakeBackAmerica2012 TBA.. R. Morningstar is a genius, eh..
Why else did they kill Tippet?
I'll go ya one better - The man they buried as Oswald was actually the President..
no THAT'S out there
reefergladness 1 month ago
@reefergladness Time to lay off the "gladness". But it is funny.
Kens167 1 month ago
@reefergladness I agree with you on this one completely.
Kens167 1 month ago
You are HORRIBLE at math. Yes, it was a conspiracy, but your "math" & your injury sequence is wrong. JFK was hit in the throat as he got to the umbrella man (gun in the handle)...no exit wound, low caliber. He lunges forward trying to cough up the bullet, causing shot #3 to miss his head, hitting his back 6" below his collar (shot #1 missed everything a couple seconds earlier). He instinctively slumps for cover, Jackie holds him up and BANG-BANG, 1 head shot from front, 1 hits Connally from rear
Tomaji69 1 month ago
@Tomaji69 You might want to check the Altgens photo before you sign on to the z film. It is a still photo taken by an AP photographer showing JFK grabbing his throat just as they pass TSBD, not as they pass the Stemmons sign. You have to enlarge it to see what I am talking about. You can see his hands at this throat, and Jackie's white glove on his arm.
TakeBackAmerica2012 1 month ago
@TakeBackAmerica2012 - That Algens photo used a telephoto lens, so it looks like JFK is where you're thinking, but he is at, or just past, the sign. Note: Search YouTube for "JFK coughs up bullet" or such...this is a close-up slow-mo that shows JFK really IS pulling his tie aside with one hand & his other hand in front of his mouth, trying to cough up the "bug" (bullet) that just entered his throat. Very odd if THAT was shot in his back, eh?
Tomaji69 1 month ago
@Tomaji69 No that's not accurate because if you look at the photo, the limo is just past the first street lamp on the right. If you look at other photos it is well before the Stemmons Frwy sign. A telephoto lens would not have distorted a picture that much. Abraham Z said he started filming just as the limo turns onto Elm street yet what do you see in the Z film? That part is cut out. When the limo turned onto Elm st the driver gets confused, and the shooter takes a wild shot.
TakeBackAmerica2012 1 month ago
@TakeBackAmerica2012 - Well, that's an interesting claim. Since Zapruder didn't know where the limo was, I thought he started shooting and just saw motorcycles, so he stopped shooting, then started again when he saw the limo appear. You're saying he NEVER stopped shooting? Did Zapruder say that? Where is your info about this? I'm very interested, of course. My guess is that Zapruder explains this somewhere at some time....anybody know?
Tomaji69 1 month ago
@Tomaji69 Not only does AZ say it so does his secretary Marilyn Sitman who is standing behind him. She says he started filming BEFORE the turn onto Elm St, he says he started filming at the turn on Elm St and didn't stop until the limo drove out of sight under the underpass. See Abraham Zapruder Extended English Version and then the Marilyn Sitzman interview that was for The Men Who Killed Kennedy, both on youtube.
TakeBackAmerica2012 1 month ago
@TakeBackAmerica2012 I agree. I specifically stated that he started filming before the turn onto Elm, then stopped, then started again after the turn onto Elm. What has that got to do with anything?
Kens167 1 month ago
@Kens167 You asked for me to respond to a question and I did. If you don't like the answer then don't ask the question.
TakeBackAmerica2012 1 month ago
@TakeBackAmerica2012 - I doubt that Mr. Z's secretary "knew" squat about when he filmed (or not) up there, but she might have been told by him exactly what he SAYS he did. Did she see the film? I would presume so. That first showing to SS and Life, then to the other news boys (Dan Rather in that group)....those were presumably the WHOLE film....? So, where is the whole film "evidence"....trust me, I wanna see it, not saying it's not there...what link or whatever please....??
Tomaji69 1 month ago
@Tomaji69 Run the "Costello stabilized version" and it should come up for you.
Kens167 1 month ago
@Tomaji69 No, but once he began filming after the turn, he did not stop. See his deposition. I just agree with what he said. One can follow from z 313 back to z307 and you will have the exact timing of the 3 shots that struck, once you account for the additional time the sound had to travel between the shots. See Part 2 or my book, "Triangulated Fire".
Kens167 1 month ago
@Tomaji69 Mr. Z gave a detailed deposition. It is available online. Mr. Z did stop shooting after the first motorcycles turned the corner, but the limo did not. Then he starts up again and continues until the limo leaves under the bridge. He goes into complete detail. He even states his secretary made him go back home and get his camera that morning because he had forgotten it.
Kens167 1 month ago
@Kens167 - There's a good example of how the worker gets screwed. I bet Mr. Z didn't give her 25% of the money and he wouldn't even have filmed that day if it wasn't for her. Life Mag. bought the rights to publish frames from the movie, but went back to Z later to buy the COPYRIGHTS to the film. THEN, Life SITS on the movie so nobody can view it...not until Garrison (the HERO) makes that happen in court. Lots of conspiracy evidence from Mark Lane too (read "Plausible Denial").
Tomaji69 1 month ago
@Tomaji69 Actually, he donated all of the money.
Kens167 1 month ago
@Tomaji69 Yeah, his deposition is on line also. He started, then stopped, then started again after the limo turned on to Elm St.
Kens167 1 month ago
@TakeBackAmerica2012 There is no "cutting out" of the z film. The part where Mr. Z films and then stops is still there. Perhaps someone edit your version.
Kens167 1 month ago
@TakeBackAmerica2012 I agree the photo was taken where you said the limo was. However, the part where Mr. Z started filming and stopped was not cut out... some may have posted a version with it cut out though. In the Costello stabilized version on can see him start filming and then stop. The shooter did not take a wild shot. I think, and I repeat, I think that Umbrella man was marking the safe firing zone. BUT no wild shot until shot 4, which was a pulled shot.
Kens167 1 month ago
@Tomaji69 You can see the secret service looking back in the photo as some of them heard the shot. Look up Rich DellaRosa interview on Z film altered here on youtube. He describes the original film that he actually saw in the late 60s before the altered version was ever even shown to the public.
TakeBackAmerica2012 1 month ago
@TakeBackAmerica2012 - Well yeah, it was a simultaneous shoot AT the point of the umbrella man. So, JFK is hit in the throat (silencer pistol in umbrella grip) and lunges forward, causing a shot from the rear to hit him 6" below the collar in the back. That shot (and maybe another at the same time), was audible from the rear, so the SS agents look around. Pretty poor (drunken) training that they all look BEHIND them and nobody is moving to PROTECT the President!!
Tomaji69 1 month ago
@Tomaji69 It was a one, two shoot. Then pause three, four. That was to make it look like one person shot and had to reload. The motorcycles and the echoes made it impossible to hear. It took Dr. D.B. Thomas in "Hear No Evil" to get the sounds straight. He and I still disagree over where the shots came from.
Kens167 1 month ago
@Kens167 - A couple things about "echoes": One is that most "echoing" in Dealy Plaza is off the TSBD, the DalTex, the Courthouse and the other bldg. across main street (what is that one?). A dash of echo perhaps from the triple underpass. The LAST place you get any echo is the grassy knoll or picket fence areas.....foliage, trees, grass, dirt, air. Not only that, but if all 3 shots were from one point, the shots would all sound the SAME (same "echo") and at least 2.5 seconds apart.
Tomaji69 1 month ago
@Tomaji69 You need to read the depositions of all who where there. Mr. Z couldn't tell where a shot came from because of the echoes. Ever been to a parade with motorcycles in it? You can't hear squat while they are around. I went to Gasparilla in Tampa for the first 20 years of my life. I'm still deaf.
Kens167 1 month ago
@Tomaji69 See the work by Dr. D.B. Thomas. He has the correct timing of the shots. I Part 2 for free or pay for my book "Triangulated Fire" and you will see how the shots match the Z film.
Kens167 1 month ago
@Kens167 I agree, but shot #1 was first (missed everything)...nearly everyone agrees on that. Yes, shot #2 + #3 (and I think maybe also #4) are at the umbrella. Then #4-5 or maybe it's #5-6. The reason I guess (yes, it's OK to guess) that it's 7 shots is because of the windshield shot and the curb shot. Now, maybe one of those two was the "missed" shot (#1)....BOTTOM LINE IS that is MORE THAN THREE (and too close together).
Tomaji69 1 month ago
@Tomaji69 No shot 1 hit JFK, shot 2 hit Connally, Shot 3 hit jfk's head. Shot 4 was pulled.
Kens167 1 month ago
@Kens167 - No, shot #1 missed everything....that has been long established by everyone, including the W.C. - it's where the girl stops running in the Z-film. Shot 2 hits hist throat (frontal shot), shot 3 in his back (Connally reacted to shot #2 or #3, but not hit until bang bang head shot and miss that hits him, IMO.) I should have my last two shots BANG BANG, very close together, instead of simultaneous. Curb shot + windshield shot, makes 7 shots or so.
Tomaji69 1 month ago
@Tomaji69 No it has not been long established by everyone. This is the heart of the single bullet theory. 2 things: 1. The autopsy drs showed the fragments in the Gov wrist and leg show there was not a single bullet. 2. Using Dr. Thomas' timing one finds shot one struck at frame 207. There isn't one bit of evidence to substantiate the first shot missed. U realy thing the 1st shot at the closest point missed JFK, Gov C, the limo and both lanes they were traveling between? Yeah, right!
Kens167 1 month ago
@Kens167 - What has been long established is the first shot missing everything just after the limo straightens out from turning onto Elm. Some thought it was a firecracker...the little girl stops running. The W.C. says this also...then they claim shot #2 is the MBT and shot #3 is the head shot....the curb and spectator is a "fragment", as also is the windshield - and the windshield frame damage COULD have been "prior damage" to the limo.
Tomaji69 1 month ago
@Tomaji69 There is this little thing called triangulation. Mr. Meyers noted that the shot that hit the Gov had to RISE by 1 deg. Not possible from the shot that hit JFK. Shot 1 did not miss. There is NO evidence that shot 1 missed. This is a fairy story from the conspirators. They guy who hit JFK twice with in the length of a ruler in less than 6 seconds missed a 6 ft wide, 20ft long limo and the 2 lanes it traveled between when it was at its closest point? Yeah, right!.
Kens167 1 month ago
@Kens167 - Well, you're right that there is no HARD evidence of shot #1 missing. But, there is MISSING EVIDENCE, which is evidence of conspiracy (what is MISSING). Some things are based simply on testimony and what is seen in films, etc. I guess you didn't read the WC Report, right? Their CONCLUSIONS are THREE shots, the FIRST one missed. There is soft evidence of this....many witnesses saying they heard this shot (includes some SS agents), the little girl stops running, etc.
Tomaji69 1 month ago
@Kens167 - I love how you say it was "impossible to hear". Why would you claim that?...yes, there was some background noise, but NOT ONE witness said that -- and I bet YOU were not there that day. The Secret Service guys could hear and several of them said the last two shots were BANG BANG. So do several cops and some street witnesses...I trust the "pros" the most, as street witnesses in these cases are the least consistent.
Tomaji69 1 month ago
@Tomaji69 You really need to read the depositions of the people there, such as Gary Brehm, Mrs. Kennedy, Mr Z. They describe in detail the noise and how they could not tell where the shots came from.
Kens167 1 month ago
@TakeBackAmerica2012 The sides were cut out from z frames 208 through 211, where the agents would have looked backed. See my book "Triangulated Fire" for this and other film tricks by the FBI/CIA. Including the FBI/Secret Services reenactment. That is amazing. You won't believe what everyone has missed in the reenactment. That alone is worth the $9.99. You will be embarrassed that you missed it. And for those of you who have bought it... Shhhh!
Kens167 1 month ago
@Kens167 You're here to "sell" a story. That automatically makes me question the credibility of your statements. And by the way in the future if you want someone to buy something you're selling, don't be a smartass.
TakeBackAmerica2012 1 month ago
@TakeBackAmerica2012 I'm here to "sell a story?" I have done 22 videos for FREE. Think all those other authors GAVE their books away? May Steve Martin forgive me, but "WELL EXCUUUUSEEE MEEEEE!"
Kens167 1 month ago
@TakeBackAmerica2012 Watch you're mouth stupid. You won't be the first person I've blocked. You think the 22 free video's is because I wanted to sell something? You're dumber than you look.
Kens167 1 month ago
@Tomaji69 Actually, Mr. Altgens was just past Mr. Z on the other side of the street. Altgens set his camera for 60 feet. He was standing on the side of the road. It was not odd for a back shot. Remember that the bullet cut JFK's Trachea into. JFK could no longer feel himself breathe. Without a doubt, the bullet entered the upper back and went out the throat just beneath the Adam's apple. It was also at a 10 deg angle right to left.
Kens167 1 month ago
@Kens167 - The BACK shot was 6" below the COLLAR at a 22 degree DOWNWARD angle. Please get out your protractors...all of you. The rifle was 68' above the Prez & the shot was 180' long. Draw it out. Now imagine a high velocity round driving into you at that angle that far BELOW the bottom of your neck. Note that the "trachea" is a deceiving term, because we think "throat", but it goes from our mouth to our lungs. The trachea was severed at the top of the lung, NOT the throat.
Tomaji69 1 month ago
For the above data, I used SS numbers from their "Reenactment" film (I bet they loved seeing JFK go down!!). The back shot must have lodged in JFK's thorax, maybe off the upper ribcage. I think that BACK shot is what knocked him out, then he instinctively falls left trying to find cover, but Jackie holds him up. See this YouTube: 1964 SECRET SERVICE FILM (JFK ASSASSINATION RECONSTRUCTION)(PART 1) - also note in this how easy it would be to shoot JFK at the turn just under the window!
Tomaji69 1 month ago
@Tomaji69 no. It went in the back-out the throat. shot 2 in Connally and out various places. First two shots struck. The firing point of each shot can be found with triangulation.
Kens167 1 month ago
@Kens167 - So, if you're right, then JFK and Connally were hit BANG BANG....two or more shooters at the umbrella.
Tomaji69 1 month ago
@Tomaji69 Thanks. I can't prove it so I didn''t put in any of the videos or the book, but I think that Umbrella man marked the ok point to fire. At least when he raised the umbrella. One had to be a certain point to match the downward angle of the 6th floor window.
Kens167 1 month ago
@Tomaji69 You know I still get amazed when I read about the shots "lodging" or getting struck somewhere. You think professional assassins use .22 cal bullets? The used 30 cal rifle bullets. They don't get stuck, they go through people. They need maximum power to put the bullet in an exact location. They also use single shot rifles... maximum power, maximum accuracy. Period.
Kens167 1 month ago
@Tomaji69 Pretty good description, except for the 180' long part. Remember a shot from the Dal-Tex has the same downward trajectory. That is why the 6th floor window was chosen. It was to hide where the real assns were shooting from. The trachea was severed at the same area just below the adam's apple as where the tracheotomy was performed.That is what caused all the confusion about the exit point at first.
Kens167 1 month ago