Never liked this video because I personally met Sveneric and he is very calm and balanced guy and someone made this video to look brutal or Sven, or Bujinkan to be brutal, but this is only turned out of context. This seminar was something totally different.
Correct. BJJ has nothing to do with Samurai on a Battlefiled back in feudal Japan. However, in a one on one fight (unarmed) you can assured that BJJ will destroy Ninjutsu. There is so much evidence out there if you do some open minded research. If still not convinced then find a Ninjutsu practitioner and walk into a BJJ club and challenge someone :)
@romanazazel i agree 100% with u that if the ninjustu practitioner did walk into a bjj club he would loose. that is becouse he would have to challenge the bjj guy with bjj rules. the only way for a true challage to happen is if it was in the street were rules dont apply. alot of the gound tec of bjj can be escaped by using simple methodes like biting, using finges in the eyes, attacking the groin, standing joint manipulation, ect. im not saying bjj is not effective it just hase to many rules.
"you can assured that BJJ will destroy Ninjutsu. There is so much evidence out there if you do some open minded research"
OH REALLY???
could you be so kind as to forward me to some sources... it seems you think that Ninjutsu is some sort of martial art.....
as it seems i have been researching this a little longer than you, i will share: there is NO EVIDENCE that ninjutsu IS OR INCLUDES any sort of Martial Art/Taijutsu/combat techniques.
@Arteanor You can debunk Hatsumi, his art, his organisation and the validity of his knowledge and what happens? The Bujinkan has one less person come along who presumes to know everything and ends up hurting themselves, excellent.
@reginaninja Awesome! I've not trained with Sveneric but I hear he's amazing. I trained with Ed Lomax a couple of years back, he's brilliant too although its quite terrifying to be on the receiving end, there's no preparation only an open mind and heart.
Hatsumi probably doesn't care about recognition, imitation or validation and Ninjutsu was never a fully documented art. As to the Bujinkan I've found it best to call it Taijutsu because the term Ninjutsu attracts too much ego.
I have no reason nor knowledge to argue or prove you anything. Its up to you what do you believe in. I hav utmost respect for Takamtsu Osensei, he was a great man and martial artist. And there is no doubt about that, i am sure he would have no reason to think somethink by his self.
As i said its up to you. If you really want to know or learn about it try finding good sources different than ninjutsu.org and other mainstream english webs. :)
@Creationsofmyown Man after this comment i guess there is no point in fighting your opinion. And as i can see you invested lot of efforts in claiming that Ninpo is not a martial art just by looking at your profile. However good luck in your path of doin so and take care :)
again you assert that my use of historical records is a view of "my opinion".
this is not the case. it is merely a defense to address why you are completely unable to convince me despite my repeated requests for you to cite a source for historical ninja martial arts.
the bansenshukai was written aprox 1676 BY A SHINOBI, who the hell do you think you are to claim to know more than him??
ah right, you have FAITH, in hatsumi... thats ALL the bujinkan has.
@Arteanor uhm... okay even if its not true, and there's not any sort of ninjutsu in what hatsumi teaches, whats the purpose? i know it works, so why should people care if its what ninjas used or not? is it recognized as one of the deadliest most direct and efficient martial arts? yes. so why bother?
Please i am through arguing and would like to be left in peice. And the lin kuei system was being taught in the 60's way before the ninja boom or Mortal kombat.
The man can fight, and, he is a truly an Amazing human being.
Haven't seen him in years now (changed martial arts about 10 years ago) but I still have the utmost respect for him and what he taught about how to live and train.
Loads of love and respect for his skills and unselfish ways.
Thanks for uploading, it was nice to see his face again.
C'mon people..i do bujinkan and i train in other martial arts such as wing tsung kung fu, capoeira, grappling..ive applied a lot of technique and one on one full kontact..result..broken foot ..broken hand, concusions,rib fractures,ligaments torn ..ripped...etc..ive tested it to the max..and it was a good experience..test your art and see for yourself..:)
This guys good. He's up there in the Ninja Arts. As you see, he's applying only very little pressure and moving very little and still gets the results with the person who does the techniques correctly.
I don't know what the Japanese are thinking now. Ninjutsu used to be secret arts and few people can train, but now I saw it almost every where. I'm not trying to dising, but don't they think they made their tradition for money?
Well, Bujinkan is not mix of aikido jiujitsu ect.. Its is in fact a mix of 9 traditional schools united by Takamatsu Toshitsugu 33.rd generation soke of Togakure ryu Ninpo. There are two more schools he was soke of which are teching Ninjutsu, those are Kumogakure and Gyokushin. Another school from which comes most of basic and important taijutsu techniques is Gyokko ryu which had as a soke Momochi Sandayu, legendary ninja famous as Hattori Hanzo. Please keep that in mind Bujinkan is a Ninjutsu.
When it comes to ninjutsu it does not have its own basics, in history they took basics from other schools and trained them. Ninjas were mainly spies but they needed to know how to fight and so they learned it. Togakure ryu itself had 3 specific weapons Shuko, Biken, i am not sure about the third one. All this is taught even today by current soke Masaaki Hatsumi who was taught by Takamatsu Osensei. I did not study it more further however i hope i explained that Bujinkan teaches Ninjutsu.
"important taijutsu techniques is Gyokko ryu which had as a soke Momochi Sandayu, " if only takamatsu could ever link himself to him... isn't it funny that there are no records of toda ? even familial records? no photos? and why did there have to be a SEARCH for his gravestone ( the only thing with part of his name on it anywhere) when he was supposed to be RELATED to takamatsu? wouldnt you KNOW where your relatives are buried??
"Ninjas were mainly spies but they needed to know how to fight and so they learned it. "
finally you are talking sense.... UNTILl you try to tell me that the fighting skills they learned WERE NINJUTSU... which is utter bollocks.
we have a clear picture of what is and isnt ninjutsu from the scrolls, i suggest you take a look at them, though the translations are a little rough ninpo org has them up.
can you provide any historical evidence for ninja having their own martial arts?
@Creationsofmyown I told you that Ninja schools did not have their own basics however they had their techniques especialy with Biken however for them some decent skill with sword is required. I trained few of Ninja techniques in Dojo and most of them are based on cooperation, way of cutting, suprise and there sure are more things but i had experienced just those. However those techniques it self would be for nothing without basics from gyokko ryu where there was a Ninja Soke Momochi Sandayu.
"Its is in fact" - it is in fiction. "a mix of 9 traditional schools united by Takamatsu Toshitsugu " if you mean created, then sure...
takamatsu has never provided ANY evidence for his claims to togakure ryu or any other ryu of ninjutsu.
"he was soke of which are teching Ninjutsu, those are Kumogakure and Gyokushin"
thats only half true, neither of these schools is ever taught, and you cannot show me techniques from them, and even if you did, it doesnt make them ninjutsu
all of you guys who think you know something about ninjutsu you re wrong
Ninjutsu is a way of life i know because i train ninjutsu bujinkan with blazo nestov who is a shikan ninjutsu teaches you about life and when you understand it there is no match for you
for example my sensei blazo can take a man down just with his head without using arms or legs.but thats not the point of ninjutsu.Now i respect other MA and i think they should respect ninjutsu
i also train Ninjitsu and agree with you completely, only we were told that there is only one sensei and that is Sensei Masaaki Hatsumi, if we ever called our teacher sensei by accident we'd get 400 push ups haha
unfortunately your incorrect, the techniques arent even ninjutsu,,, and i can prove it.
Dr Karl Friday PhD History,japan, UoG- on thesubject of the hatsumi-takamatsu-toda lineage:
'It's worth noting, in this context, that in the third edition of the Bugei ryuha daijiten Watatani Kiyoshi stated that Takamatsu (who was, BTW, a personal friend of his) had created his "ninpo" ryuha and teachings from "ninja-gokko" ("childhood ninja games")..."
i think you need to read the comment i left 2 weeks ago here...
respect doesnt mean i accept the untruths you speak as fact, it means i am polite as i clarify them.
the problem here is that the bujinkan doesnt have any ninjutsu in it... not a bad thing... but it is bad when people keep calling it something that it isnt...
and if you want to argue that, keep in mind that ninjutsu isnt even a martial art.
hatsumi gave up on calling it ninjutsu ages ago, you should do the same.
The lin kuei say that everything is the same as their art except striking effectiveness and they are the ones aside from a few korean kanja that also learned from the lin kuei that tought the japanese their art. what are your sources for what you are telling us.
@Creationsofmyown I have talked to an actual lin kuei and i have read the very sources that you mentioned. I also mentioned that i know ninjutsu is not an actual art it is a collection. visit the iga ninja museum website it will help enlighten you. I used to think the same but studied further. hopefully this information will help you.
The training we do in bujinkan might seem slow and inefficient. BUT! We do it slowly do understand just what we are doing and to not hurt the uke, since many techiques are deadly or will leave one crippled for the rest of their lives.
It's a bit special in the way of how we look at techniques, and half of the time we ignore technique and look at how we move. To make it efficient we can just do it faster. There are soldiers in SAS training bujinkan so don't tell me it's useless....
i think we all should just show each other ALOT more respect to one another's art... the bashing, the slandering, its just not in GOOD SPIRIT... a Bujinkan Practitioner can learn as much PRACTICAL METHODS from a MMA-Fighter, just as much as a MMA-fighter can learn some things from a Bujinkan Practitioner. i have a Philipino friends who's a MMA-fighter (skilled in kali & knifefighting), also is a personal trainer to me & we trade off the PRACTICALITIES & IMPRACTICALITIES in everything we share.
*bow* i wish more people thought like you ,i can't stand to hear all the bs going back and forth, can't we all just get along and respect the arts for what they are. we must all remember we are all students.
These people have been involved in real fights. The uke isnt roleplaying, bogsater is teaching techniques. It would indeed be completely wierd if the uke starts attacking or interrupting in the middle of the explanation and demonstration of techniqes. If you cant separate training from fighting, dont bother to comment.
GP you need to wake up. i'll bet you a great deal of money neither Bogsater nor the Japanese shihan have been in any kind of fight for atleast 20 years probably alot more. Uke is role playing. no two ways about it. lunge punches, standing wrist locks. Bogsater is slow and out of shape. In other MA's there is realistic training without actual fighting. Buj has no real training whatsoever. I can't see how you defend it. point to one vid on you tube that shows training with resistance in buj.
theeirikman, i was a memeber of the bujinkan for many years. got my shodan in 1991, but quickly became disenchanted with the training methods and lack of resistance and realism with the techniques. What you see here and in almost all buj videos is slow motion role playing where the teacher (bogsater) receives unrealistic attacks and he dispatches the opponent in a way that would never work for real on the streets. you need to pressure test the techniques you're learning or you're wasting time.
i dont need to meet and witness Ashida kim, david haliva, greg park, frank dux, ron duncan christa jacobsen in person just to know their techniques arent ninjutsu.....
I just want to debunk some myths about bujinkan and BJJ. Firstly the major part of bujinkan is battlefield jujutsu, not ninjutsu. BJJ is a system to fight in a controlled duel 1vs1 without weapons or armor, and for that it is a perfect system. But please don't come and say that BJJ has anything to do with samurai on a battlefield.
actually it does: BJJ was derived from Kodokan Judo and Jujutsu- which were techniques used on the battlefield by the samurai. the reason why they take the altercation to the ground is so they can drown the opponent in shallow water.
@loverboll It definitely isnt just for the ring... and I mean... i dont think anybody has a samuari sword that they're going to pull out for a fight... much less armor for that matter... and bujinkan is all standing... someone with a bjj background would just take you to the ground and wreck you... just saying
sparring would end up with someone having a broken neck or broken bones!!! there are ways to learn techniques without executing them at full speed and also using pads and wooden swords but full out sparring can not happen man ninjutsu is an art meant to survive by any means possible. why dont you go to an actual bujinkan or genbukan dojo and see before you comment.
@rocknrollfreedom Every time I have gone full speed flow training/randori (not even sparring) It has resulted in drawing of blood or broken bones. Me myself got a broken nose and pinky, THIS IS NOT A SPORT!
@Arteanor why? i have plenty of vids out there. ninjutsu has a history of street and battlefield test in germany and israel: check out akban.org. or ninjutsu-hh.de.
everything people prove to you , you claim its not so and say that only you are right.
its pointless with you. no one will ever proof you not because of a lack of evidence but due to your inabiliy to eat up your hate towards takamatsu or hatsumi. whats your motive anyway? to save the world. tell the gracies that jiujutsu is from japan, tell all asian that swortfighting comes form germany, russia, israel and egypt....or just stop naging for no reason
wow, thats argumentum ad hominem. and even if it weren't, your inability to answer my question, does not make them rhetorical, it just shows your ignorant.
"everything people prove to you , "
this from the guy who hasn't shown a lick of evidence beyond his own claims about his school
"no one will ever proof you not because of a lack of evidence "
ya, sure, so where is it then? kacem said he would show it and didnt.
ending fraud of all types would go leaps and bounds towards saving the world, making it a nice goal, but unlikely... i seek to educate people so that they can avoid fraud on their own.
"tell the gracies that jiujutsu is from japan"
but we KNOW how the gracies learned it.... tell the gracies that jiujutsu is from japan, tell all asian that swortfighting comes form germany, russia, israel and egypt....or just stop naging for no reason"
@Arteanor its pointless with you...... all what everyone needs to know is dont buy the book from shinobi worrior... its full of bullshit dont fall for this marketing trick
beware of this . anyway its proba ly the same guy.. arteanor, tsoas..and so on
rofl, ya, and thats why i predate his signup, and his book...
and seriously, accuse me of being the Alt of my real account Creationsofmyown. which you blocked because you know full well that you HAVE no evidence for takamatsu/hatsumi's claims... and that is ok... EXCEPT that he, and YOU, have dishonestly built an empire of a business out of the LIE that the training was EVER used by shinobi...
ebudo nails it down rather well.... should check it out.
@Arteanor you just a liar. and dont buy the book , dont buy the book , people !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! dont buy the book.... you and your idiot friends lost one arguement after another and still try to promote the book. liar liar pants on fire.....you never get through with your shit.
e-budo. com /forum/showthread. php?t=35175&page=1&pp=15 showthread. php?t=38421
better i hope.
mardb. com/ninjutsu-and-koryu-bujutsu/
you seem to misunderstand my research capacity... i know more about ninjutsu than you, and you cannot provide a shred of evidence for any of the things you CLAIM to be "ninjutsu" despite the fact that your displays show MA/budo/taijutsu instead of stealth, spying, sabotage... go study...
@Arteanor Arguing on the internet is like running a race in the Special Olympics. Even if you win you are still retarded. Go catch the short bus retard.
Serious Bujinkan practitioners don't listen to you, and those that agree with you already agree. Move on and get a life instead of creating contention on virtually every Buj related video. Rolls eyes....
Actual moves are learned over time and practice , because you could sit there and think it is not real .
But reality has been passing you by already. I have been training on various Martial arts for over 10 years including Bujinkan and I know what is real, and what is not... Ninjutsu and ofcorse experience has saved my neck many times so real and not real it is just a thin line , look into a concept called Kyojitsu within budo it will help you understand my point.
Rich0008, doude, you seriusly do not know what you are talking about. I know Sveneric Bogsater in irl you do not whant to be in the wrong end of that man belive me.
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raziel, he may be the deadliest fighter alive, but we'll never know. bogsater has never fought anyone and neither has any other high ranking shihan including the japanese and even Hatsumi himself. he is not demonstrating defenses against anything close to reality. NO ONE on the street attacks this way. You goofy ninjas have to get this thru your head some day
where am I incorrect? please enlighten me. i'm willing to be educated. Tell me who Bogsater and the Japanese shihan including Hatsumi have fought. would be very interested to know. These attacks are not realistic. my statements are wholly factual. uke is role playing. no resistance. Face it, Bogsater is old and slow and would have no hope in a real fight against a skilled/trained modern fighter like you see in MMA. Against a normal guy with no training, i agree Bogsater would do well.
More choreographed nonsense against compliant uke's. I'd love to see any of this applied (well, attempted anyways) against someone who didn't pay the seminar fee.
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Why are they all dressed in black?? DO they think their all Ninjas!! HAHA I'd knock the lot of them out with my four inch shaolin snake strike!!! Cool soundtrack though!!
In the dojo, most schools of ninja do indeed wear black, but in public, you would most likely be unable to identify a practitioner, unless you had either seen them in training, ot they announced themselves. Hide in plain sight.
There may be one sure way to identify a ninja by thier movements. My teacher moves almost as though he was gliding, his knees bent and hips slightly forward and when he walks, his feet point forward, as opposed to pointing slightly outward, like most people walk. He tends to roll his feet, much like a hunting cat, sort of a toe to heel movement. I hope that helps. It is easier and less troublesome for us, to hide in plain sight, neither threatening, nor I hope, being threatened
I totally agree that ninjutsu training saved my life many times and a true warrior finds that he has nothing to prove by fighting and much to learn by listening and talking.
I always thought a 'warrior' as in 'a person engaged or experienced in warfare' fought for money or glory. but sure .. if a good conversation make them give up their homes, lives and values by all means talk to them
True, but there are plenty of objects in our everyday lives that are sword shaped and these techs work well for them. Also, the concepts behind the techniques can be applied to unarmed techniques, Muto Dori. (Sp?)
you know when i was in central america in the army i saw a peasant with a machete decapitate an american soldier carrying an m16. a swoed machete a knife its still aweapon !
ye, I aint doubting it works. but I'm questioning the situations where ya'll need to know this to survive. tis like training dodging deadly wasps, walkin down the wrong trail or maybe starting yer old engine in yer weekend cottage.
"oh woe, if only I had taken that class more seriously"
the closest ya'll get to any sort of blade these days is the 3" one in your back for messin with the wrong dude at the bar. or am I wrong ?
This training works and works damn well. Even something as simple as being able to tumble out of a bad fall has saved me. (You laugh, but statistically, you are more likely to slip and fall and die than die by fighting.) Ichimonji no kamae has made me a tremendously better shot than I would be otherwise, and our techs work perfectly well on opponents wearing flack jackets and kevlar helmets. (Try punching or kicking a guy wearing this stuff and see what happens.)
I agree. Everyone jokes about it but learnign to fall correctly is one of the most useful things that I have learnt in martial arts. It's saved me from some very serious injuries several times.
I have to defend the Bujinkan and the way it trains, because the training has saved my life many times, both in the civilian world and in my Security Forces career. We did full contact hand to hand training in tech school and It was an absolute joke. (The only thing you learn from training like that is being hit hurts :) ) I've used variations of techniques such as oni kudaki and omote gyaku to put the rowdy in cuffs with ease, instead of relying on pepper spray or my asp or my fists.
Como ocurre con el Ninjutsu en general, esta gente vive en el mundo de la fantasía: un puñetazo no consiste en alargar el brazo y quedarse quieto. Además, hay que tener el cuenta que tras un puñetazo viene otro (sin adelantar el cuerpo, Fudoken no existe en la calle). Luego no me extraña que la gente nos ponga a parir, hemos convertido un arte marcial magnífico en una mierda.
Hatsumi probably denounces competiton for a simple reason, ninjutsu is not a martial sport as karate, judo and u name it, it's an martial art. It's a living warrior tradition, such have no rules as a sport have. And there is no need for "full contact" since noone in this art has the intention to hurt another fellow member. And I can assure u he's not a fraud. I have met him and he's both a nice and a fearsome, a very powerful old man :))
Ofc it has real application, it's lineage is over 900 years that speaks for itself. If it was nothin real to it, it would not BE anymore just like those thousands of bad techniques already died with their practioners during feudal wartime in Japan.
Then you adapt to the situation. Some of the very early techniques taught saved my life. No, it wasn't punching, kicking or rolling, it was distancing and observing.
Those basics are taught because they are mostly universal. If you can't fight, gaining distance from an attacker is then crucial.
Proper training is not a necessity. Many people can hold their own from life experiences. I would take a person who actually has more fist fights under his belt then somebody who always trains but never fights.
Agree with you. Nothing can prepare you for the feel of a real fight, because there are different factors happening outside of a dojo environment.
My point was more for someone who was new to the martial arts. Ie, they didn't have real life fighting experience, no muscles, etc.
So, for them, learning how to remove themselves from the situation until they're better able to defend themselves would be a better option than playing a hero and getting themselves killed.
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hatsumi absolutely is responsible for the buj sucking. he insists on shitty training practices and denounces competitions, full contact, pad work etc. hes a fraud.
to those who do not believe groin shots can end fights, i point out the morally justified demise of convicted rapist joe san, who lost to repeated groin strikes in...ufc 3 was it. either way, you ninjas and your appeal to dirty tactics that you never actually practice, are annoying the community of real fighters. we can employ all these dirty tactics, and our understanding of fundamental positioning affords us far more opportunity to attack the groin, eye gauge, fish hook etc.
u are a new born baby and u don't even know how to crawl and ur saying that running is stupid coz it's not effective, the same thing is with ninjutsu, u have to have some pre knowledge or batter say u have to say long enough in it to understand it, but another very important thing is that ninjutsu is not just hitting, it is a way of life.
That argument is illogical because he may have extensive experience in a DIFFERENT martial art. In which case, your analogy falls apart; unless a baby knows an equally advanced method akin to running.
Also, the "way of life" argument is totally irrelevant to its combat effectiveness.
Add to this the fact that most Bujinkan practitioners do not pressure test their techniques, and you have valid grounds for claiming that the system is ineffective.
I didn't say that people who train in bujikan are great "fighters", a lot of them are idiots who just wanna show off as ninjas, but you can't blame Hatsumi for it, bujikan these days is just to large to "control" it so yeah, there has to be a number of idiots who train ninjutsu as wall as any other martial art for that matter.
1) I didn't say that people who train in bujikan are great "fighters", a lot of them are idiots who just wanna show off as ninjas, but you can't blame Hatsumi for it, bujikan these days is just to large to "control" it so yeah, there has to be a number of idiots who train ninjutsu as wall as any other martial art for that matter. And a way of life doesn't mean eating or behavior -.- it also means ur attitude towards ur oponent, life and ur fighting teh.
oh,ur right...i 4 got sorry my bad lol,btw i hav a fren hes a 1st Dan in karate he joined ninjutsu wearin white ghee..i kinda 4 got bout we can wear anythng on the 1st day...lol
Except for the fact that Ninjutsu doesn't teach killing at all, and its hand to hand system is mainly a bastardisation of Japanese JuJutsu, but trained in a less effective manner.
Never liked this video because I personally met Sveneric and he is very calm and balanced guy and someone made this video to look brutal or Sven, or Bujinkan to be brutal, but this is only turned out of context. This seminar was something totally different.
hostihugen 1 month ago in playlist NINJA
sveneric is one scary bloke!
G1ngerD4n 6 months ago
Correct. BJJ has nothing to do with Samurai on a Battlefiled back in feudal Japan. However, in a one on one fight (unarmed) you can assured that BJJ will destroy Ninjutsu. There is so much evidence out there if you do some open minded research. If still not convinced then find a Ninjutsu practitioner and walk into a BJJ club and challenge someone :)
romanazazel 8 months ago
@romanazazel i agree 100% with u that if the ninjustu practitioner did walk into a bjj club he would loose. that is becouse he would have to challenge the bjj guy with bjj rules. the only way for a true challage to happen is if it was in the street were rules dont apply. alot of the gound tec of bjj can be escaped by using simple methodes like biting, using finges in the eyes, attacking the groin, standing joint manipulation, ect. im not saying bjj is not effective it just hase to many rules.
bigcala007 6 months ago
@romanazazel
"you can assured that BJJ will destroy Ninjutsu. There is so much evidence out there if you do some open minded research"
OH REALLY???
could you be so kind as to forward me to some sources... it seems you think that Ninjutsu is some sort of martial art.....
as it seems i have been researching this a little longer than you, i will share: there is NO EVIDENCE that ninjutsu IS OR INCLUDES any sort of Martial Art/Taijutsu/combat techniques.
absolutely none.
its a lie, by frauds
Arteanor 5 months ago
i like how he twirls everyone around like a rag doll :D
whatsgoingon07 8 months ago
he sucks
fardisghomeshi 8 months ago
Ninjutsu is like Ba-Gua.
Skinhead80th 10 months ago
Oh God he's going to fall down to the ground everytime he tries to punch anyone. Zero balance. Really really bad.
Satiro04 1 year ago
@Arteanor You can debunk Hatsumi, his art, his organisation and the validity of his knowledge and what happens? The Bujinkan has one less person come along who presumes to know everything and ends up hurting themselves, excellent.
@reginaninja Awesome! I've not trained with Sveneric but I hear he's amazing. I trained with Ed Lomax a couple of years back, he's brilliant too although its quite terrifying to be on the receiving end, there's no preparation only an open mind and heart.
misterkoz 1 year ago
I trained with Sveneric once at a Seminar a number of years ago. He is a very powerful and agile warrior!
reginaninja 1 year ago
Hatsumi probably doesn't care about recognition, imitation or validation and Ninjutsu was never a fully documented art. As to the Bujinkan I've found it best to call it Taijutsu because the term Ninjutsu attracts too much ego.
misterkoz 1 year ago
@misterkoz
"Hatsumi probably doesn't care about recognition, imitation or validation"
then it seems odd that he would even go to the meetings he did when he tried to join the Nihon Kobudo Shinkokai...
"Ninjutsu was never a fully documented art."
thats a large assumption.
we know that hatsumi CLAIMS to have edo period densho, he just wont let anyone see them...
the NKK also authenticated fujita's densho ( ruining your comment further)
calling it taijutsu isn't a lie, so i have no issue there.
Arteanor 1 year ago
Like the song!!!
Hate the vid...
Dream Theater FTW
deimos2k 1 year ago
I have no reason nor knowledge to argue or prove you anything. Its up to you what do you believe in. I hav utmost respect for Takamtsu Osensei, he was a great man and martial artist. And there is no doubt about that, i am sure he would have no reason to think somethink by his self.
As i said its up to you. If you really want to know or learn about it try finding good sources different than ninjutsu.org and other mainstream english webs. :)
DaviedCZ 1 year ago
@DaviedCZ
"I have no reason nor knowledge to argue or prove you anything"
well you want to lie to my face, so your clearly trying to prove something...
"he was a great man and martial artist." i will agree to the last part, i know we cannot know his demeanor for sure.
"try finding good sources different than ninjutsu.org and other mainstream english webs" i cantbelieve you were ignorant enough to do that.
you just called japnes historical documents hundreds of years old MAINSTREAM ENGLISH?
Creationsofmyown 1 year ago
@Creationsofmyown Man after this comment i guess there is no point in fighting your opinion. And as i can see you invested lot of efforts in claiming that Ninpo is not a martial art just by looking at your profile. However good luck in your path of doin so and take care :)
DaviedCZ 1 year ago
@DaviedCZ
again you assert that my use of historical records is a view of "my opinion".
this is not the case. it is merely a defense to address why you are completely unable to convince me despite my repeated requests for you to cite a source for historical ninja martial arts.
the bansenshukai was written aprox 1676 BY A SHINOBI, who the hell do you think you are to claim to know more than him??
ah right, you have FAITH, in hatsumi... thats ALL the bujinkan has.
and stories about densho.
Arteanor 1 year ago
@Arteanor uhm... okay even if its not true, and there's not any sort of ninjutsu in what hatsumi teaches, whats the purpose? i know it works, so why should people care if its what ninjas used or not? is it recognized as one of the deadliest most direct and efficient martial arts? yes. so why bother?
casperfiol2 1 year ago
@casperfiol2
"whats the purpose? i know it works"
the purpose is, then don't call it ninjutsu.
if it worked and that were enough then dismiss the false moniker and be done with it.
"so why should people care if its what ninjas used or not?"
so you are alright with your training being based on lies?
"is it recognized as one of the deadliest most direct and efficient martial arts? yes. "
uh, by who? hatsumi doesnt get a lot of "recognition". another reason to bother.
Arteanor 1 year ago
Please i am through arguing and would like to be left in peice. And the lin kuei system was being taught in the 60's way before the ninja boom or Mortal kombat.
MrAaronch 1 year ago
The man can fight, and, he is a truly an Amazing human being.
Haven't seen him in years now (changed martial arts about 10 years ago) but I still have the utmost respect for him and what he taught about how to live and train.
Loads of love and respect for his skills and unselfish ways.
Thanks for uploading, it was nice to see his face again.
Peekingduck 1 year ago
C'mon people..i do bujinkan and i train in other martial arts such as wing tsung kung fu, capoeira, grappling..ive applied a lot of technique and one on one full kontact..result..broken foot ..broken hand, concusions,rib fractures,ligaments torn ..ripped...etc..ive tested it to the max..and it was a good experience..test your art and see for yourself..:)
Illium75 2 years ago
This guys good. He's up there in the Ninja Arts. As you see, he's applying only very little pressure and moving very little and still gets the results with the person who does the techniques correctly.
trunks06 2 years ago
I don't know what the Japanese are thinking now. Ninjutsu used to be secret arts and few people can train, but now I saw it almost every where. I'm not trying to dising, but don't they think they made their tradition for money?
kamezodo1 2 years ago
Well ninja's were paid assassins :P
GvowelS 2 years ago
name 1 person assassinated by a ninja, and make sure you can prove the person knew ninjutsu...
i say that because most books attribute the term ninja to anyone who killed someone... regardless of whether they knew ninjutsu or not.
Creationsofmyown 2 years ago
no they were not. they were spies and also were villagers that needed to protect their families and villages from the samauri.
MrAaronch 1 year ago
@MrAaronch MORTAL KOMBAT!!!
kingcobra004 1 year ago
but its not ninjutsu, its just a mishmash of koppo, aiki and jiujutsu... and then labeled as "taijutsu"
ninjutsu wasnt a martial art, its a skillset for espionage, people always seem to forget that....
Creationsofmyown 2 years ago
Well, Bujinkan is not mix of aikido jiujitsu ect.. Its is in fact a mix of 9 traditional schools united by Takamatsu Toshitsugu 33.rd generation soke of Togakure ryu Ninpo. There are two more schools he was soke of which are teching Ninjutsu, those are Kumogakure and Gyokushin. Another school from which comes most of basic and important taijutsu techniques is Gyokko ryu which had as a soke Momochi Sandayu, legendary ninja famous as Hattori Hanzo. Please keep that in mind Bujinkan is a Ninjutsu.
DaviedCZ 1 year ago
When it comes to ninjutsu it does not have its own basics, in history they took basics from other schools and trained them. Ninjas were mainly spies but they needed to know how to fight and so they learned it. Togakure ryu itself had 3 specific weapons Shuko, Biken, i am not sure about the third one. All this is taught even today by current soke Masaaki Hatsumi who was taught by Takamatsu Osensei. I did not study it more further however i hope i explained that Bujinkan teaches Ninjutsu.
DaviedCZ 1 year ago
@DaviedCZ
"important taijutsu techniques is Gyokko ryu which had as a soke Momochi Sandayu, " if only takamatsu could ever link himself to him... isn't it funny that there are no records of toda ? even familial records? no photos? and why did there have to be a SEARCH for his gravestone ( the only thing with part of his name on it anywhere) when he was supposed to be RELATED to takamatsu? wouldnt you KNOW where your relatives are buried??
togakure ryu is a name hijacked by takamatsu.
Creationsofmyown 1 year ago
@DaviedCZ
"Ninjas were mainly spies but they needed to know how to fight and so they learned it. "
finally you are talking sense.... UNTILl you try to tell me that the fighting skills they learned WERE NINJUTSU... which is utter bollocks.
we have a clear picture of what is and isnt ninjutsu from the scrolls, i suggest you take a look at them, though the translations are a little rough ninpo org has them up.
can you provide any historical evidence for ninja having their own martial arts?
Creationsofmyown 1 year ago
@Creationsofmyown I told you that Ninja schools did not have their own basics however they had their techniques especialy with Biken however for them some decent skill with sword is required. I trained few of Ninja techniques in Dojo and most of them are based on cooperation, way of cutting, suprise and there sure are more things but i had experienced just those. However those techniques it self would be for nothing without basics from gyokko ryu where there was a Ninja Soke Momochi Sandayu.
DaviedCZ 1 year ago
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@DaviedCZ
"I told you that Ninja schools did not have their own basics however they had their techniques"
yes, i agree that you have asserted this, however it has absolutely no evidence.
"I trained few of Ninja techniques in Dojo" there you go asserting the very thing we are debating here, still no proof, you just keep repeating it.
"there was a Ninja Soke Momochi Sandayu." of course there was... but that DOESNT mean that takamatsu has ANY connection to him at all.
evidence please.
Creationsofmyown 1 year ago
@DaviedCZ
"Its is in fact" - it is in fiction. "a mix of 9 traditional schools united by Takamatsu Toshitsugu " if you mean created, then sure...
takamatsu has never provided ANY evidence for his claims to togakure ryu or any other ryu of ninjutsu.
"he was soke of which are teching Ninjutsu, those are Kumogakure and Gyokushin"
thats only half true, neither of these schools is ever taught, and you cannot show me techniques from them, and even if you did, it doesnt make them ninjutsu
Creationsofmyown 1 year ago
all of you guys who think you know something about ninjutsu you re wrong
Ninjutsu is a way of life i know because i train ninjutsu bujinkan with blazo nestov who is a shikan ninjutsu teaches you about life and when you understand it there is no match for you
for example my sensei blazo can take a man down just with his head without using arms or legs.but thats not the point of ninjutsu.Now i respect other MA and i think they should respect ninjutsu
gaarathesandsensei 2 years ago
i also train Ninjitsu and agree with you completely, only we were told that there is only one sensei and that is Sensei Masaaki Hatsumi, if we ever called our teacher sensei by accident we'd get 400 push ups haha
MaltaMetal 2 years ago
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unfortunately your incorrect, the techniques arent even ninjutsu,,, and i can prove it.
Dr Karl Friday PhD History,japan, UoG- on thesubject of the hatsumi-takamatsu-toda lineage:
'It's worth noting, in this context, that in the third edition of the Bugei ryuha daijiten Watatani Kiyoshi stated that Takamatsu (who was, BTW, a personal friend of his) had created his "ninpo" ryuha and teachings from "ninja-gokko" ("childhood ninja games")..."
respect is earned, train in a real MA....
Creationsofmyown 2 years ago
i think you need to read the comment i left 2 weeks ago here...
respect doesnt mean i accept the untruths you speak as fact, it means i am polite as i clarify them.
the problem here is that the bujinkan doesnt have any ninjutsu in it... not a bad thing... but it is bad when people keep calling it something that it isnt...
and if you want to argue that, keep in mind that ninjutsu isnt even a martial art.
hatsumi gave up on calling it ninjutsu ages ago, you should do the same.
Creationsofmyown 2 years ago
The lin kuei say that everything is the same as their art except striking effectiveness and they are the ones aside from a few korean kanja that also learned from the lin kuei that tought the japanese their art. what are your sources for what you are telling us.
MrAaronch 1 year ago
what are your sources for the lin kuei ????
wasnt aware of any books on the topic other than crap written by Ashida kim...
my sources as i stated below, are the BRD,
i will also cite the confirmed ninja scrolls (bansenshukai, shoninki, ninpiden) all of which show that ninjutsu isnt even a martial art...
i suggest that you go have a look at the Shinobi Soldiers series here on youtube.
Creationsofmyown 1 year ago
@Creationsofmyown I have talked to an actual lin kuei and i have read the very sources that you mentioned. I also mentioned that i know ninjutsu is not an actual art it is a collection. visit the iga ninja museum website it will help enlighten you. I used to think the same but studied further. hopefully this information will help you.
MrAaronch 1 year ago
if you consider the iga ninja museum a good
source of information, im not gonna bother
continuing this discussion, they have a stainless
steel straightbladed ninjato and called it authentic.... you cant be serious.
if this is the best kind of sources you have (kuden , " the only evidence is they say so)
and ones that have been proven false already...
you have talked to a "forest demon" am i really supposed to believe that....
Creationsofmyown 1 year ago 2
The training we do in bujinkan might seem slow and inefficient. BUT! We do it slowly do understand just what we are doing and to not hurt the uke, since many techiques are deadly or will leave one crippled for the rest of their lives.
It's a bit special in the way of how we look at techniques, and half of the time we ignore technique and look at how we move. To make it efficient we can just do it faster. There are soldiers in SAS training bujinkan so don't tell me it's useless....
Thonero 2 years ago
i think we all should just show each other ALOT more respect to one another's art... the bashing, the slandering, its just not in GOOD SPIRIT... a Bujinkan Practitioner can learn as much PRACTICAL METHODS from a MMA-Fighter, just as much as a MMA-fighter can learn some things from a Bujinkan Practitioner. i have a Philipino friends who's a MMA-fighter (skilled in kali & knifefighting), also is a personal trainer to me & we trade off the PRACTICALITIES & IMPRACTICALITIES in everything we share.
ninpobuyubushi 2 years ago 4
*bow* i wish more people thought like you ,i can't stand to hear all the bs going back and forth, can't we all just get along and respect the arts for what they are. we must all remember we are all students.
DarkKokoro84 2 years ago
These people have been involved in real fights. The uke isnt roleplaying, bogsater is teaching techniques. It would indeed be completely wierd if the uke starts attacking or interrupting in the middle of the explanation and demonstration of techniqes. If you cant separate training from fighting, dont bother to comment.
GetPerspective 2 years ago 3
GP you need to wake up. i'll bet you a great deal of money neither Bogsater nor the Japanese shihan have been in any kind of fight for atleast 20 years probably alot more. Uke is role playing. no two ways about it. lunge punches, standing wrist locks. Bogsater is slow and out of shape. In other MA's there is realistic training without actual fighting. Buj has no real training whatsoever. I can't see how you defend it. point to one vid on you tube that shows training with resistance in buj.
Rich0008 2 years ago
why would you resist? if you did you would only get hurt.
and besides, have you really gone to a bujinkan training and seen for your own eyes how it is like? I think this counts for all MA's.
TheEirikMan 2 years ago
theeirikman, i was a memeber of the bujinkan for many years. got my shodan in 1991, but quickly became disenchanted with the training methods and lack of resistance and realism with the techniques. What you see here and in almost all buj videos is slow motion role playing where the teacher (bogsater) receives unrealistic attacks and he dispatches the opponent in a way that would never work for real on the streets. you need to pressure test the techniques you're learning or you're wasting time.
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TheEirikMan 2 years ago
actually it doesnt...
i dont need to meet and witness Ashida kim, david haliva, greg park, frank dux, ron duncan christa jacobsen in person just to know their techniques arent ninjutsu.....
same goes for hatsumi...
Creationsofmyown 2 years ago
I just want to debunk some myths about bujinkan and BJJ. Firstly the major part of bujinkan is battlefield jujutsu, not ninjutsu. BJJ is a system to fight in a controlled duel 1vs1 without weapons or armor, and for that it is a perfect system. But please don't come and say that BJJ has anything to do with samurai on a battlefield.
loverboll 2 years ago 13
actually it does: BJJ was derived from Kodokan Judo and Jujutsu- which were techniques used on the battlefield by the samurai. the reason why they take the altercation to the ground is so they can drown the opponent in shallow water.
sausaage123 2 years ago
@loverboll It definitely isnt just for the ring... and I mean... i dont think anybody has a samuari sword that they're going to pull out for a fight... much less armor for that matter... and bujinkan is all standing... someone with a bjj background would just take you to the ground and wreck you... just saying
Xero555000 1 year ago
@Xero555000 Go over and show 'em how its done then. I'm just saying.
bujin21 1 year ago
@bujin21 How about you come over here and i'll show YOU how it's done.
Xero555000 1 year ago
@Xero555000
"someone with a bjj background would just take you to the ground and wreck you... just saying"
first, dismiss all notions that you know anything about ninja. if it is taught it is private.
second, the bujinkan's taijutsu is primarily jujitsu, you may know it, its the big brother to the judo that bjj is made off of.
third, this video contains bujinkan taijutsu, a mix of jujutsu pressure points locks etc..
i also think they train their people to rely on compliance personally.
Arteanor 1 year ago
@loverboll
"I just want to debunk some myths about bujinkan and BJJ."
ill debunk your presumptions.
"Firstly the major part of bujinkan is battlefield jujutsu, not ninjutsu."
not mostly, ALL.
"BJJ is a system to fight in a controlled duel 1vs1 without weapons or armor, and for that it is a perfect system."
perfect implies objective measurments...
"But please don't come and say that BJJ has anything to do with samurai on a battlefield."
obviously, B is for BRAZILIAN!
still NO ninjutsu in BJK/J
Arteanor 5 months ago
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Any gracie would screw this guys day up! Keep pretending ninja warriors. I quit playing ninja when I was 8.
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christianboy1487 2 years ago
theyre not actually sparring because ninjutsu is a deadly art and someone could get seriously injured or even killed.
rocknrollfreedom 2 years ago 5
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Then how do you learn the actual moves? lol.... No my friend, this is not real....
christianboy1487 2 years ago
sparring would end up with someone having a broken neck or broken bones!!! there are ways to learn techniques without executing them at full speed and also using pads and wooden swords but full out sparring can not happen man ninjutsu is an art meant to survive by any means possible. why dont you go to an actual bujinkan or genbukan dojo and see before you comment.
rocknrollfreedom 2 years ago 18
@rocknrollfreedom Every time I have gone full speed flow training/randori (not even sparring) It has resulted in drawing of blood or broken bones. Me myself got a broken nose and pinky, THIS IS NOT A SPORT!
23mavcat 1 year ago
@rocknrollfreedom bullshit . i do ninjutsu and we sparr all the time.
you are just afraid to compare and to test yourselfe..
ninjutsuHH 1 year ago
@ninjutsuHH
" bullshit . i do ninjutsu and we sparr all the time."
first, you have never shown any demonstration of any ninjutsu techniques. EVER.
second, you have been corrected on the status of your claims, and are ignoring them to continue spreading the lie you had corrected...
have you no morals? no integrity?
"you are just afraid to compare and to test yourselfe.."
says the guy whose afraid of his own school's history....
togakure was made up by takamatsu AFTER he left kukishen ryu
Arteanor 1 year ago
@Arteanor why? i have plenty of vids out there. ninjutsu has a history of street and battlefield test in germany and israel: check out akban.org. or ninjutsu-hh.de.
you run away from the arguement.
ninjutsuHH 1 year ago
@ninjutsuHH
"i have plenty of vids out there."
yes, and none of them have any ninjutsu. weird huh?
"ninjutsu has a history of street and battlefield test in germany and israel"
uh, no, it really doesn't. it has history in japan. that is all.
"check out akban.org. or ninjutsu-hh.de."
both takamatsu-den arts, as i have shown... you can join me on ebudo if you need it explained...
"you run away from the arguement"
how do you figure? you haven't shown ANY evidence yet, thats all i asked...
Arteanor 1 year ago
@Arteanor wow thats rethoric of a child.
everything people prove to you , you claim its not so and say that only you are right.
its pointless with you. no one will ever proof you not because of a lack of evidence but due to your inabiliy to eat up your hate towards takamatsu or hatsumi. whats your motive anyway? to save the world. tell the gracies that jiujutsu is from japan, tell all asian that swortfighting comes form germany, russia, israel and egypt....or just stop naging for no reason
ninjutsuHH 1 year ago
@ninjutsuHH
"wow thats rethoric of a child."
wow, thats argumentum ad hominem. and even if it weren't, your inability to answer my question, does not make them rhetorical, it just shows your ignorant.
"everything people prove to you , "
this from the guy who hasn't shown a lick of evidence beyond his own claims about his school
"no one will ever proof you not because of a lack of evidence "
ya, sure, so where is it then? kacem said he would show it and didnt.
who said i hate? not i, retry?
Arteanor 1 year ago
@ninjutsuHH
"whats your motive anyway? to save the world."
ending fraud of all types would go leaps and bounds towards saving the world, making it a nice goal, but unlikely... i seek to educate people so that they can avoid fraud on their own.
"tell the gracies that jiujutsu is from japan"
but we KNOW how the gracies learned it.... tell the gracies that jiujutsu is from japan, tell all asian that swortfighting comes form germany, russia, israel and egypt....or just stop naging for no reason"
Arteanor 1 year ago
@Arteanor its pointless with you...... all what everyone needs to know is dont buy the book from shinobi worrior... its full of bullshit dont fall for this marketing trick
beware of this . anyway its proba ly the same guy.. arteanor, tsoas..and so on
ninjutsuHH 1 year ago
@ninjutsuHH
rofl, ya, and thats why i predate his signup, and his book...
and seriously, accuse me of being the Alt of my real account Creationsofmyown. which you blocked because you know full well that you HAVE no evidence for takamatsu/hatsumi's claims... and that is ok... EXCEPT that he, and YOU, have dishonestly built an empire of a business out of the LIE that the training was EVER used by shinobi...
ebudo nails it down rather well.... should check it out.
Arteanor 1 year ago
@Arteanor you just a liar. and dont buy the book , dont buy the book , people !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! dont buy the book.... you and your idiot friends lost one arguement after another and still try to promote the book. liar liar pants on fire.....you never get through with your shit.
ninjutsuHH 1 year ago
@ninjutsuHH
i was hoping you would do that... thanks..
i have no book, i have never plugged a book, never suggested someone BUY anything,.. i have recommended YT video series....
show anywhere i am wrong.... but not based on your hearsay through hatsumi...
e-budo. com /forum/showthread. php?t=35175&page=1&pp=15 showthread. php?t=38421
#2 was an open challenge of the best for the evidence for their belief that takamatsuden is ninjutsu.... if it exists, its hidden.
Arteanor 1 year ago
@Arteanor you lost again. admit it....over and out its senseless with you
the youtube ma community should just collectivly block you idiots..
ninjutsuHH 1 year ago
@ninjutsuHH
wow that link looks shitty,
e-budo. com /forum/showthread. php?t=35175&page=1&pp=15 showthread. php?t=38421
better i hope.
mardb. com/ninjutsu-and-koryu-bujutsu/
you seem to misunderstand my research capacity... i know more about ninjutsu than you, and you cannot provide a shred of evidence for any of the things you CLAIM to be "ninjutsu" despite the fact that your displays show MA/budo/taijutsu instead of stealth, spying, sabotage... go study...
Arteanor 1 year ago
@Arteanor Arguing on the internet is like running a race in the Special Olympics. Even if you win you are still retarded. Go catch the short bus retard.
Serious Bujinkan practitioners don't listen to you, and those that agree with you already agree. Move on and get a life instead of creating contention on virtually every Buj related video. Rolls eyes....
bujin21 1 year ago
@rocknrollfreedom thats the reason why they stopped making sparrs in austria & germany xD too much injuries ;)
EviLlDrago 10 months ago
Actual moves are learned over time and practice , because you could sit there and think it is not real .
But reality has been passing you by already. I have been training on various Martial arts for over 10 years including Bujinkan and I know what is real, and what is not... Ninjutsu and ofcorse experience has saved my neck many times so real and not real it is just a thin line , look into a concept called Kyojitsu within budo it will help you understand my point.
KAGERU1 2 years ago
And nice tribut, Sveneric Bogsater is a geart sensei.
raziel090 2 years ago 4
Rich0008, doude, you seriusly do not know what you are talking about. I know Sveneric Bogsater in irl you do not whant to be in the wrong end of that man belive me.
raziel090 2 years ago 4
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raziel, he may be the deadliest fighter alive, but we'll never know. bogsater has never fought anyone and neither has any other high ranking shihan including the japanese and even Hatsumi himself. he is not demonstrating defenses against anything close to reality. NO ONE on the street attacks this way. You goofy ninjas have to get this thru your head some day
Rich0008 2 years ago
Actually you are completely incorrect in all these statments.
GetPerspective 2 years ago
where am I incorrect? please enlighten me. i'm willing to be educated. Tell me who Bogsater and the Japanese shihan including Hatsumi have fought. would be very interested to know. These attacks are not realistic. my statements are wholly factual. uke is role playing. no resistance. Face it, Bogsater is old and slow and would have no hope in a real fight against a skilled/trained modern fighter like you see in MMA. Against a normal guy with no training, i agree Bogsater would do well.
Rich0008 2 years ago
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as usual, no resistance, no aliveness, unrealistic attacks and defenses. more fat ninjas doing things that would never work for real.
Rich0008 2 years ago
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you would be far better served to study the works of REAL AUTHENTICATED NINJA....
that means SEIKO FUJITA, not hatsumi, not this clown, no ashida kims or greg parks, no frank dux or ron duncan....
someone who has been recognized by the koryu board as having an unbroken lineage of teaching since before the meiji era.
until you have the basics down why do you even bother showing your lack of understanding?
Creationsofmyown 2 years ago
wow
Simuleino 2 years ago
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Another fat ninja! When's someone gonna punch these fat fucks! I will try to but these guy's are hidden away in dark rooms wanking.....
BLADDERCUP 2 years ago
doesn't look to me like he pulls any punches even in training... excellent
whosaskin2 2 years ago
Dream theater for the win =D
sexidolofsatan 2 years ago
all of these arts and no one knows how to throw a hadouken! smh
Flowmasta 2 years ago
what does this have to do with sayokan?
davidcialini 2 years ago
i think ninjutsu is a last resort its used for killin
nevinab 2 years ago
Not necessarily. A last resort, does not have to be killing
owenspence 2 years ago 3
More choreographed nonsense against compliant uke's. I'd love to see any of this applied (well, attempted anyways) against someone who didn't pay the seminar fee.
silentfist862 2 years ago
crappy
1remzz1 2 years ago 2
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Why are they all dressed in black?? DO they think their all Ninjas!! HAHA I'd knock the lot of them out with my four inch shaolin snake strike!!! Cool soundtrack though!!
ninjaboj 2 years ago
In the dojo, most schools of ninja do indeed wear black, but in public, you would most likely be unable to identify a practitioner, unless you had either seen them in training, ot they announced themselves. Hide in plain sight.
owenspence 2 years ago
My teacher also suggested its possible to identify them by the way they walk, I'm yet to figure out how.
Also, the song is "Metropolis pt1" by Dream Theater. I strongly recommend the band to all who like the song.
TomNortherner 2 years ago
There may be one sure way to identify a ninja by thier movements. My teacher moves almost as though he was gliding, his knees bent and hips slightly forward and when he walks, his feet point forward, as opposed to pointing slightly outward, like most people walk. He tends to roll his feet, much like a hunting cat, sort of a toe to heel movement. I hope that helps. It is easier and less troublesome for us, to hide in plain sight, neither threatening, nor I hope, being threatened
owenspence 2 years ago
the footsteps are closer together
liamemac 2 years ago
Thanks. I nearly forgot that, but generally, he only walk with his feet closer together, when he is training, or in simulated combat.
owenspence 2 years ago
ye right
nevinab 2 years ago
I totally agree that ninjutsu training saved my life many times and a true warrior finds that he has nothing to prove by fighting and much to learn by listening and talking.
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CrimsonGaze 2 years ago
I always thought a 'warrior' as in 'a person engaged or experienced in warfare' fought for money or glory. but sure .. if a good conversation make them give up their homes, lives and values by all means talk to them
CrimsonGaze 2 years ago
just one question. who the hell uses bloody swords these days ? last I checked we lived in 2009 :E
CrimsonGaze 2 years ago
ninjas BRO!!! NINJAZ!!!
Musc1esMarinara 2 years ago
True, but there are plenty of objects in our everyday lives that are sword shaped and these techs work well for them. Also, the concepts behind the techniques can be applied to unarmed techniques, Muto Dori. (Sp?)
velkynvelve3 2 years ago 2
you know when i was in central america in the army i saw a peasant with a machete decapitate an american soldier carrying an m16. a swoed machete a knife its still aweapon !
EDDIEMPR 2 years ago
ye, I aint doubting it works. but I'm questioning the situations where ya'll need to know this to survive. tis like training dodging deadly wasps, walkin down the wrong trail or maybe starting yer old engine in yer weekend cottage.
"oh woe, if only I had taken that class more seriously"
the closest ya'll get to any sort of blade these days is the 3" one in your back for messin with the wrong dude at the bar. or am I wrong ?
CrimsonGaze 2 years ago
This training works and works damn well. Even something as simple as being able to tumble out of a bad fall has saved me. (You laugh, but statistically, you are more likely to slip and fall and die than die by fighting.) Ichimonji no kamae has made me a tremendously better shot than I would be otherwise, and our techs work perfectly well on opponents wearing flack jackets and kevlar helmets. (Try punching or kicking a guy wearing this stuff and see what happens.)
velkynvelve3 3 years ago
I agree. Everyone jokes about it but learnign to fall correctly is one of the most useful things that I have learnt in martial arts. It's saved me from some very serious injuries several times.
rbird1985 2 years ago
I have to defend the Bujinkan and the way it trains, because the training has saved my life many times, both in the civilian world and in my Security Forces career. We did full contact hand to hand training in tech school and It was an absolute joke. (The only thing you learn from training like that is being hit hurts :) ) I've used variations of techniques such as oni kudaki and omote gyaku to put the rowdy in cuffs with ease, instead of relying on pepper spray or my asp or my fists.
velkynvelve3 3 years ago
Como ocurre con el Ninjutsu en general, esta gente vive en el mundo de la fantasía: un puñetazo no consiste en alargar el brazo y quedarse quieto. Además, hay que tener el cuenta que tras un puñetazo viene otro (sin adelantar el cuerpo, Fudoken no existe en la calle). Luego no me extraña que la gente nos ponga a parir, hemos convertido un arte marcial magnífico en una mierda.
davichuuuu 3 years ago
yeah why bother testing your skills or practicing them in a realistic situation when sensei tells you that you are super deadly?
nicerebound 3 years ago
Hatsumi probably denounces competiton for a simple reason, ninjutsu is not a martial sport as karate, judo and u name it, it's an martial art. It's a living warrior tradition, such have no rules as a sport have. And there is no need for "full contact" since noone in this art has the intention to hurt another fellow member. And I can assure u he's not a fraud. I have met him and he's both a nice and a fearsome, a very powerful old man :))
kaxitaksi 3 years ago 3
spot on, i have met him too, and again your spot on.
darrenburns123 3 years ago
very true but he must put gear on students to test their techniques. if not then there is no real application practice.
RavenFlex 3 years ago
Ofc it has real application, it's lineage is over 900 years that speaks for itself. If it was nothin real to it, it would not BE anymore just like those thousands of bad techniques already died with their practioners during feudal wartime in Japan.
kaxitaksi 3 years ago
yes just because you have a technique that works doesn't mean the individual can apply it to a resisting opponent
RavenFlex 3 years ago
Thats true, but I did'nt say that everybody that practice ninjutsu is a hell of a ninja.
kaxitaksi 3 years ago
Then you adapt to the situation. Some of the very early techniques taught saved my life. No, it wasn't punching, kicking or rolling, it was distancing and observing.
Those basics are taught because they are mostly universal. If you can't fight, gaining distance from an attacker is then crucial.
XrotarebiL 3 years ago
uh huh in that case just train as a sprinter.
you'll be better off but sometimes you have to throw down to protect people you care about.
RavenFlex 3 years ago
There's a lot of sprinting in the training. I was talking about in the beginning. Learn to protect yourself first, then learn to protect others.
Throwing down without proper training is just stupid.
XrotarebiL 3 years ago
Proper training is not a necessity. Many people can hold their own from life experiences. I would take a person who actually has more fist fights under his belt then somebody who always trains but never fights.
RavenFlex 3 years ago
Agree with you. Nothing can prepare you for the feel of a real fight, because there are different factors happening outside of a dojo environment.
My point was more for someone who was new to the martial arts. Ie, they didn't have real life fighting experience, no muscles, etc.
So, for them, learning how to remove themselves from the situation until they're better able to defend themselves would be a better option than playing a hero and getting themselves killed.
XrotarebiL 3 years ago
I agree and disagree, it depends on how realistic you train.
eirikr94 2 years ago
Metropolis FTW
Kiroley 3 years ago
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hatsumi absolutely is responsible for the buj sucking. he insists on shitty training practices and denounces competitions, full contact, pad work etc. hes a fraud.
nicerebound 3 years ago
Pitiful
machadobjj 3 years ago
to those who do not believe groin shots can end fights, i point out the morally justified demise of convicted rapist joe san, who lost to repeated groin strikes in...ufc 3 was it. either way, you ninjas and your appeal to dirty tactics that you never actually practice, are annoying the community of real fighters. we can employ all these dirty tactics, and our understanding of fundamental positioning affords us far more opportunity to attack the groin, eye gauge, fish hook etc.
we are better
nicerebound 3 years ago
wow
ninjutsudavid 3 years ago
Let me put it to you this way,
u are a new born baby and u don't even know how to crawl and ur saying that running is stupid coz it's not effective, the same thing is with ninjutsu, u have to have some pre knowledge or batter say u have to say long enough in it to understand it, but another very important thing is that ninjutsu is not just hitting, it is a way of life.
lenalucy 3 years ago
That argument is illogical because he may have extensive experience in a DIFFERENT martial art. In which case, your analogy falls apart; unless a baby knows an equally advanced method akin to running.
Also, the "way of life" argument is totally irrelevant to its combat effectiveness.
Add to this the fact that most Bujinkan practitioners do not pressure test their techniques, and you have valid grounds for claiming that the system is ineffective.
ilikeaeroplanejelly 3 years ago
I didn't say that people who train in bujikan are great "fighters", a lot of them are idiots who just wanna show off as ninjas, but you can't blame Hatsumi for it, bujikan these days is just to large to "control" it so yeah, there has to be a number of idiots who train ninjutsu as wall as any other martial art for that matter.
lenalucy 3 years ago
1) I didn't say that people who train in bujikan are great "fighters", a lot of them are idiots who just wanna show off as ninjas, but you can't blame Hatsumi for it, bujikan these days is just to large to "control" it so yeah, there has to be a number of idiots who train ninjutsu as wall as any other martial art for that matter. And a way of life doesn't mean eating or behavior -.- it also means ur attitude towards ur oponent, life and ur fighting teh.
lenalucy 3 years ago
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fucking pussies
JEDICYMRU 3 years ago
hatsumi can shit you're ass
ninjutsudavid 3 years ago
Yeah,lol..
Shinobiriz 3 years ago
typical overaged western slomo fatties,claiming to be teachers.. suckers.
faggothater999 3 years ago
White Ghee? i taught we are suppose to wear black ghee?
Shinobiriz 3 years ago
The guy in the white gi might just be primarily trained in another art... but it doesnt matter really.
kungfuninja314 3 years ago
oh,ur right...i 4 got sorry my bad lol,btw i hav a fren hes a 1st Dan in karate he joined ninjutsu wearin white ghee..i kinda 4 got bout we can wear anythng on the 1st day...lol
Shinobiriz 3 years ago
LOL at Dream Theater in a ninjutsu video
Shaun32887 3 years ago
Sorry but...
Any idea what the title of this song is?
Thanks
Peekingduck 3 years ago
dream theater- metropolis album if im not mistaken. dont remember exaclty which song is this one but u can look it up here
Kaneevrfld 3 years ago
Metropolis Pt. 1
Shaun32887 3 years ago
Metropolis Pt 1
ilikeaeroplanejelly 3 years ago
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Bujinkan is a load of shit, i know so i studied it. Its all crap, imean looka t it!!!
Tezza049 3 years ago
where did you study tezza049? what grade was you?
tadashiki 3 years ago
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Fake
truthnbudo 3 years ago
your boobs?
metalingus03 3 years ago
krav maga is ninjutsu, and ninjutsu is krav maga. is simple
davichuuu 3 years ago
Wrong. Krav maga in other words is "how to defend yourself from unexpected attacks/grapples" .Ninjitsu is simply "a shortcut to kills"
JinKazama92 3 years ago
Who told you that???
jamesejudy3 3 years ago 3
google. lol!!
JinKazama92 3 years ago
Except for the fact that Ninjutsu doesn't teach killing at all, and its hand to hand system is mainly a bastardisation of Japanese JuJutsu, but trained in a less effective manner.
ilikeaeroplanejelly 3 years ago
Who told you that???
jamesejudy3 3 years ago
LMAO
Davidchuuu...time to REALIZE, bud. Wooow lol
RobertRabbit 3 years ago
davichuuu: you are a fucking idiot, learn your martial arts man. Fucking dumb bastard, get off this channel and go suck your moms tit.
warriorguy09 3 years ago