@BCMALONE5 I am relativity ignorant to the American health systems as I live in England but when i last visited New York when there was a crazy amount of snow, a minor slip cost me $10'000. About £7900 over here. ( I broke my wrist) Had that happened anywhere in England, everything would have been free, from the ambulance to the plaster cast. I completely agree with you that one thing american politics have wrong is the unwillingness to put money into a massive health reform.
Wish we would have NHS is America. This new Obama Health Care is still filled with lots of unanswered questions. Mainly it is absoulutly disgusting that US citizens must have health care by 2015 or pay $1400 penalty fee if you don't. That doesn't go well for the low income families and all the people struggling in todays economey. I'm glad I have some kind of insurance even if its not the best.
@MrRobertJameson I don't know offhand, if you need to know there is this thing called the internet which has lots of information on it, it's quite easy to have access to as you are using it right now to read this.
As someone who has used the NHS several times at times even with life threatening injuries I have to say the doctors are kind and the system works very well. And the only penny I pay is in my taxes. Those who hate the NHS have no idea how good we have it. They'd sure miss it when they have an injury and they have to pay thousands of pounds for basic medicine and treatment because their insurance doesn't cover it.
I ewally wish they would not keep referring to the NHS as a "Free" service,it is NOT free and NEVER has been.Those here who have stated they would prefer a prepay or insurance based system should look to the USA for a prime example of how not to provide healthcare.Insurers will not provide cover for anyone with a pre existing conditons,for them to profit they aim to get out of paying any claims they receive the last thing they want to do is pay out.
What the NHS did was sentence many to dependency on low quality healthcare at the expense of future generations. This is what the medical and economic data shows. Most will never know this because there is only one main provider in the UK and because of propaganda like the above.
A total dearth of facts combined with huge propaganda. e.g. the reduction of infection was due to the concomitant invention of antibiotics (nothing to do with the NHS). Britain had also just come off two world wars, so of course life expectancy was low!
@jasidog Google uk life expectancy 1913 and look at page 8 and see how the graphs of life expectancy and infant mortality are in no way changed by the NHS (they were rising/dropping prior to 1945, and the curve remains unchanged).
@GodLiberty I'll accept the point without googling, you wouldn't say it otherwise I'm sure.
Though a continued trend without the health service or some reasonably similar equivalent. Something such as most other 1st world countries enjoy. Is assumption.
I think we have had largely good quality on the whole and provided universal coverage which was certainly not the case prior to it. Rather than a forced sentence to some better alternative, it provided care many simply never had prior.
@jasidog but the point is no real life data states the NHS is performing well at all/providing high quality care. The sentimentality of the NHS is totally irrational.
@jasidog Short term, cap the NHS, new deal for under 40's/opt outs with tax breaks for insurance, get rid of many elective procedures on NHS and medium term move towards the NHS being an emergency service/paediatric service (if that) and long term move towards a direct pay/insurance system.
@GodLiberty an absolute lie, as anyone googling life expectancy will discover and furthermore in global comparison (Commonwealth Fund report) the NHS came top for efficiency & 2nd (to Netherlands) in overall rankings, I suggest you apologise & withdraw for your falsehoods.
@tenpercentAV life expectancy has little to do with healthcare. 'Efficiency' is a made up statistic. On real figures such as cancer survival, ICU beds, MRI, CT scanners, emergency general surgical deaths the NHS is abysmal. Please contact me if you want help finding the data.
@topstep well not this time, singlepayer was not even fought for by the White house, but an elite can't resist the needs of the people forever, however good their propaganda machine.
@BCMALONE5 I am relativity ignorant to the American health systems as I live in England but when i last visited New York when there was a crazy amount of snow, a minor slip cost me $10'000. About £7900 over here. ( I broke my wrist) Had that happened anywhere in England, everything would have been free, from the ambulance to the plaster cast. I completely agree with you that one thing american politics have wrong is the unwillingness to put money into a massive health reform.
fitplum 3 days ago
Wish we would have NHS is America. This new Obama Health Care is still filled with lots of unanswered questions. Mainly it is absoulutly disgusting that US citizens must have health care by 2015 or pay $1400 penalty fee if you don't. That doesn't go well for the low income families and all the people struggling in todays economey. I'm glad I have some kind of insurance even if its not the best.
BCMALONE5 3 weeks ago
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janebusby 4 weeks ago
Was Nye Bevan in PAIN when he got CANCER???
MrRobertJameson 1 month ago
@MrRobertJameson As it was stomach cancer there would be considerable pain by stage 3, yes. I'm not sure what your point is?
tenpercentAV 1 month ago
@tenpercentAV Did he go blind before the cancer killed him?
MrRobertJameson 1 month ago
@MrRobertJameson I don't know offhand, if you need to know there is this thing called the internet which has lots of information on it, it's quite easy to have access to as you are using it right now to read this.
tenpercentAV 1 month ago
As someone who has used the NHS several times at times even with life threatening injuries I have to say the doctors are kind and the system works very well. And the only penny I pay is in my taxes. Those who hate the NHS have no idea how good we have it. They'd sure miss it when they have an injury and they have to pay thousands of pounds for basic medicine and treatment because their insurance doesn't cover it.
ShadowRSonic 2 months ago
I ewally wish they would not keep referring to the NHS as a "Free" service,it is NOT free and NEVER has been.Those here who have stated they would prefer a prepay or insurance based system should look to the USA for a prime example of how not to provide healthcare.Insurers will not provide cover for anyone with a pre existing conditons,for them to profit they aim to get out of paying any claims they receive the last thing they want to do is pay out.
silver760 2 months ago
very interesting
emziiebubs 4 months ago
What the NHS did was sentence many to dependency on low quality healthcare at the expense of future generations. This is what the medical and economic data shows. Most will never know this because there is only one main provider in the UK and because of propaganda like the above.
GodLiberty 4 months ago
A total dearth of facts combined with huge propaganda. e.g. the reduction of infection was due to the concomitant invention of antibiotics (nothing to do with the NHS). Britain had also just come off two world wars, so of course life expectancy was low!
GodLiberty 4 months ago
@GodLiberty Bollocks, look at pre-war figures, any time pre-war you like.
jasidog 4 months ago
@jasidog Google uk life expectancy 1913 and look at page 8 and see how the graphs of life expectancy and infant mortality are in no way changed by the NHS (they were rising/dropping prior to 1945, and the curve remains unchanged).
GodLiberty 4 months ago
@GodLiberty I'll accept the point without googling, you wouldn't say it otherwise I'm sure.
Though a continued trend without the health service or some reasonably similar equivalent. Something such as most other 1st world countries enjoy. Is assumption.
I think we have had largely good quality on the whole and provided universal coverage which was certainly not the case prior to it. Rather than a forced sentence to some better alternative, it provided care many simply never had prior.
jasidog 4 months ago
@jasidog but the point is no real life data states the NHS is performing well at all/providing high quality care. The sentimentality of the NHS is totally irrational.
GodLiberty 4 months ago
@GodLiberty Your better alternative is what?
jasidog 4 months ago
@jasidog Short term, cap the NHS, new deal for under 40's/opt outs with tax breaks for insurance, get rid of many elective procedures on NHS and medium term move towards the NHS being an emergency service/paediatric service (if that) and long term move towards a direct pay/insurance system.
GodLiberty 4 months ago
@GodLiberty an absolute lie, as anyone googling life expectancy will discover and furthermore in global comparison (Commonwealth Fund report) the NHS came top for efficiency & 2nd (to Netherlands) in overall rankings, I suggest you apologise & withdraw for your falsehoods.
tenpercentAV 2 months ago
@tenpercentAV life expectancy has little to do with healthcare. 'Efficiency' is a made up statistic. On real figures such as cancer survival, ICU beds, MRI, CT scanners, emergency general surgical deaths the NHS is abysmal. Please contact me if you want help finding the data.
GodLiberty 1 month ago
Sigh... I live in the US. I don't think anything like this will ever come to fruition.
topstep 5 months ago
@topstep well not this time, singlepayer was not even fought for by the White house, but an elite can't resist the needs of the people forever, however good their propaganda machine.
tenpercentAV 5 months ago