@kx06 Defensive much? You need to relax first off. Secondly, I was referring to a citation that backs up what you previously said. It's very easy to spew ridiculous garbage on the internet, and your comment sounds a bit far-fetched/exaggerated.
@1465225568 LOL, let me guess, you think that the white men invented the first crossbow. how bout you look into chinese military/weapons history, its all there.
@kx06 You can guess all you want. I was simply asking for a citation. I'm more than familiar with Chinese weapons history. As a practitioner of Shaolin Kung Fu, I've had a significant exposure to the types of weapons that were used in Chinese military combat, and I haven't seen much use of bows or crossbows in that context. That's why I was asking for a citation. I was just curious. Let ME guess, you are Chinese and absolutely hate white people.
@1465225568 if your familar with chinese military history then you should know that chinese use crossbows a thousand years before the first crossbow appear in western europe in the 11th century. Composite crossbow along with the repeating crossbow were used in china during the warring state era from 600 BC till the end of the Han dynasty when it was discontinued. lol practitioner of Shaolin Kung fu, lol guess you been watching to many shaolin movies. take a chill pill nerd
@kx06 I fully realize there's no way for me to prove it via the internet, but believe what you want. You escalated this from me asking for citations. Btw, you can never watch too many shaolin movies.
@1465225568 Oooo i'm so scare, ahahha i assume you complete the 36th chambers of Shaolin, LMFAO. so who your Sifu? oh wait let me guess the bum from chinatown LOL
@1465225568 Oooo i'm so scare, ahahha i assume you complete the 36th chambers of Shaolin, LMFAO. so who your Sifu? oh wait let me guess the bum from chinatown LOL
@kx06 Lol. No, but that is a classic movie. And I wasn't threatening by saying that at all. Not sure why you've taken so much offense to it. I've studied under Master Rick Felice in KY for a few years now. Our school is part of the Shoalin Do system headed by grandmaster Sin Kwang The. Honestly, I couldn't care less about the origins of the crossbow. You're acting stupid now.
@1465225568 Sin Kwang The is a fake, And Shaolin do system is not even Shaolin at all, and by the way learn to spell Shaolin idiot, lol. if you couldnt careless about the orgin of the crossbow, well i dont give a shit. lol fucken troll!!!
@kx06 Well I can't say I'm surprised you're ripping on ShaolinDo. You're not the first to. I'd love to see you spar Sin Kwang The after calling him a fake, although you've probably never sparred anyone at this point, so your opinion doesn't really concern me. So do you believe that what the current Shaolin monks are doing is traditional Shaolin kung fu? Because that would be the funniest thing you could say. And I didn't troll; I asked for citations. You seem to conveniently forget that.
Its kind of cool, but what do you accomplish from spending most of the youth learning about the middle ages and spend most of your old years explaining this when you're never going to use this in life.
@WPUSMA1 That's a pretty odd question, considering his vocation. He's getting paid to share this knowledge, so by that measure, this knowledge of his is his living. He *is* using this knowledge in life, and from what I see, he's using it very successfully. I, for one, am damn happy that he has and can share this around, because it's interesting and debunks a lot of myths surrounding Middle-Age warfare.
I was doing a reenactment at Hever castle a few months back and I stayed over night in our big medieval pavillion when all the others went home. I had a go with my friend's 80lb crossbow and it is a beasty thing. I'm an archer and the longbow takes real skill to actually use properly. The crossbow doesn't, just brute strength and a bit of practise. Horrible, yet incredibly fun things.
I wish my history teachers in school were like him. Those classes would have been so much more fun :). I did have a couple teachers that I liked, but the learning part of the class still sucked.
The difference is that u can train any raw recruit to use a crossbow or a musket in a matter of weeks. A bowman needs to have a lot more physical strength and years of training.
What's the point of having 10 good bowmen if the enemy can muster 30 crossbowmen?
@Molo9000 Because the 10 longbow men get first shot and from there over double the speed :) I realize the advantages of using a crossbow for large armies, but we longbow fans are speaking of what we would rather have and be skilled with, as a single person thinking of myself and not a huge army I prefer being skilled with the more versatile, long range and fast to shoot longbow, as a millitary commander without trained longbowmen sure I would choose crossbows. But if possible I'd have longbowmen
@Jaahaah you dont think maybe they were gonna eat the fish so they boiled it and then realized that the bladders were actually really good materials for glue?
The prod of the European crossbow is so short that the full draw is located barely half way of the stock. The prod of the European crossbow is not recurved despite being a composite material. The full draw of the Chinese crossbow is located at the end of the stock and the prod is a recurved composite one. When Mike Loades fires a bolt from the Chinese crossbow, cracking sound like the sound of a whip was heard. The bolt travels at a supersonic speed when released and penetrates a target deeper.
@MrLantean How is this new information? The immense draw weights of later European crossbows were more to compensate for the piddly draw lengths than anything. The Euros did, however, have a habit of cribbing answers from other people. If greater cultural exchange had occurred between the East and the West, you'd likely see rather similar crossbows in both areas.
@halfassedfart The Ancient Greeks' gastraphetes is the first known crossbow in Europe. The Romans also had their own version and pieces of it was found recently in Xanten, Germany. It is really unknown there the Xanten crossbow or arcubalista is used as a weapon or simply a hunting tool. There are no records on how crossbow reappeared in Late Medieval Europe. It is possible an attempt to reverse engineer Roman model or the type used by the Avar nomads as claimed by some historians.
@MrLantean Interesting information, my favorite weapon/hunting device of all time is the longbow, but I would not mind such powerful/rapid fire poison tiped shooting crossbows :) anyway thanks for the info and has a nice day!
@miles305678 The repeating crossbow is more of a weapon of terror but Chinese civilians kept them for home defense. Chinese crossbow is more powerful than European one and there is a type that could hit its target at 500 yards. Bronze triggle mechanism was discovered at the tomb of China's First Emperor. The Chinese still use crossbows in battles as late as 1900.
@MrLantean But the mojority of the crossbows were replaced by muskets as early as 15th century. However, Chinese were still using conventional composite bows as a supplement to the firearms which takes much more time to reload.
@MrBladewill Composite bows had higher rate of firing and better accuracy than muskets. However it takes years of training to become skilled archers. Crossbows were never drop out of use by the Chinese unlike Europeans. During the Boxer Rebellion in 1900, Qing Chinese soldiers and boxers were reported to be using crossbows in battles.
First European crossbow used a wooden prod and it had to be long or the prod would break during the draw attempt. Western European relearned the composite technology from Muslim horse archers during the Crusades and replaced the wooden prods with composite ones. Chinese crossbow had always used a recurved composite prod since the weapon was invented. The bows used by Chinese infantry and horse archers were always recurved composite bows.
On an episode of Weapon Masters, Mike Loads explains the difference between European and Chinese crossbows. European crossbow has a rolling cylindrical pawl called a 'nut' to retain the cocked string and trigger system, was used to retain the force of the cocked string in the nut and then release the nut to spin and the string to shoot the bolt. Chinese crossbow has a sophisticated bronze triggers with safety notches and is nibble enough to release but strong enough to hold the string.
@Charles2337 The Chinese had been using crossbows for 1500 years before the West. Unfortunately people are more familiar with crossbows of European design. When it come to Chinese crossbows, people are more familiar with the repeating crossbows.
In the West, crossbowmen used the pavish to protect themselves while reloading their crossbow. In China, crossbowmen already used the volley firing technique since the 3rd century BC. This discovery is from the arrangement of terracotta archers from the tomb of China's first emperor. Volley firing is only used in West during the 16th century after the muskets were invented.
In the West, crossbows are invented to defeat medieval knights as crossbow bolts can pierce the plate armor. In the East, crossbows are invented to equip peasant soldiers with weapons that required less training. In the West, crossbows are restricted to small groups of elite force as they are expensive to produce. In the East, crossbows are being mass produced with industrial capability. The trigger mechanism are mass produced through casting.
@MrLantean Interesting, I always knew in the west crossbows were only for elite marksmen and for armor, but I never knew the chinese had mass produced such powerful ones. Also volley fire was used in the west prior to the musket, the English longbowmen would loose thousands of arrows across vast distances to thin huge enemy armies to easier to defeat sizes (not sure if thats what you meant by volley). Any videos on these cool chinese crossbows? I am very interested in them!
@miles305678 Longbowmen may also used the volley firing. European crossbowmen never adopted the volley firing for unknown reasons. Unfortunately, the repeating crossbow is the Chinese crossbow that everyone is very familiar with. This type of crossbow allows rapid firing of bolts while sacrificing range and peneration power. However the bolts are smeared with poison and a mere scratch from one could kill a person. Thousands of such weapons will inflict physological terror on the enemy.
By the Sung Dynasty in China, the Chinese had a very powerful crossbow or arbalest known as the Divine Armed Crossbow with the accurate range of 300 meters. The Chinese also developed a type of siege crossbow which composed of 3 composite prods with its range of a mile. A hand held version that required 2 men to operate was developed and the evidence can be seen from the craving at Angkor Wat, Cambodia.
The Chinese crossbow is more powerful and is able to hit its target at a much further distance the than European crossbow. The full draw of the European crossbow is barely halfway of the stock while the Chinese version is located at the end of the stock.
@MrLantean That actually isn't true. The Chinese crossbow was designed for rapid rate of fire and thus sacrificed range and killing power. Plus the European Crossbows advanced to the point of using metal gears and cranks.
@crazyviking24 The Chinese crossbow that you are refering is the repeating crossbow. Due to the lack of killing power, the bolts are smeared with poison. Thousands of this weapon on the battlefield pose a psycological terror on charging cavalry or infantry.
@crazyviking24 The prod of the European crossbow is so short that it is necessary to use metal gears and cranks to make a draw length. Its shortness also resulted a shorter draw length which resulted a shorter range. The Chinese simply attached their recurved composite bow on the stock. The longer draw length of the Chinese crossbow allows the bolts to hit its target at a much further range than its European counterpart.
@MrLantean That is not actually true. The later European crossbows used metal gears and cranks to create a larger amount of strength. The range of an Arbelest (late Medieavel crossbow) was greater than the yew longbow. A recurved composite bow placed sideways on a stock would have had a limit to how powerful it could be as it depended on length of draw. European crossbows used the tension from the twisting of horsehide/hemp draw strings which would have been more powerful.
@crazyviking24 The prod of the arbalest is made of steel therefore using metal gears and cranks is necesarry to make a draw weight.The compression power of steel allows the bolts to travel further than those with composite prods. It is very useful to pierce the armor of medieval knights especially at close range. However its full draw is still located halfway of the stock. Its range may be still shorter than its Chinese counterpart.
@Twycross The bow of choice for the Chinese is the recurved composite bow. The bow is made from wood, horn and sinew laminated together using fish glue. The compression power of horn and sinew and the recurved shape stores up a lot energy during a full draw. Even the arrow is release, it spins, allowing it to travel at the further distance and pierce armor even deeper. It is this type of bow make the Chinese crossbow more powerful.
@MrLantean No it really doesn't. It's no different than the power of a typical composite bow used by Huns and Turkics. Pierce what armor? Padded? Leather? Plate? In any case even a recurve composite won't have the draw strength of steel. Recurve technology also isn't something specific to the east. Ancient Greeks and Romans had the recurve bow and crossbows as well.
@Twycross Its true that Ancients Greeks and Romans had recurved composite bows and crossbows. After the fall of the Western Roman Empire, composite bow technology was lost and crossbows became unknown both the Eastern Roman Empire and Western Europe. Mike Loades, a British weapon expert, tested both Chinese European crossbows. When the bolt was fired from the Chinese crossbow, a loud cracking sound was heard.
@MrLantean Composite technology lost? No i'm sorry but that's non sense. The Roman Empire in the east continued to use that technology and even used it more. Horse archery became a prominent aspect of their military. We hear accounts of great horse archery duels with the Persians. They also had encounters with the Avars, Bulgars, Pechenegs, Kypchak (Cumans) and various other Turkic/Iranic people that had the composite bow.
Maybe the crack was the xbow breaking. "Made in China." ;)
@Twycross What i am trying to say that composite bow technology was forgotten in Western Europe. The Eastern Roman Empire retained it but they had forgotten the crossbow technology. The accounts of a 11th century Byzantine noblewoman mentions that the crusaders are carrying bowS mounted on a stock. This proves that crossbow was unknown in the Eastern Roman Empire. Western European relearned composite bow technology from the Muslims.
@MrLantean Ugh no, the Byzantines made use of the crossbow as well. And YOU said that the composite technology was forgotten in the east as well and now you are back tracking. Calling it a "bow on a mounted stock" doesn't prove that they had lost crossbow technology. Why would the western europeans need to relearn composite bow technology from Muslims when to get to the Muslims they passed through Byzantine territory. Does this make sense to you?
@Twycross Crossbow was unknown in the Byzantine Empire until the crusaders arrived. It was known as a Frankish weapon. The crusaders encountered Muslim mounted archers when they entered Asia Minor and the Near East. They saw that Muslim horse archers possessed bows more powerful than their wooden bows. Early crossbows are composed wooden bow mounted on the stock. From the Muslims, Western Europeans learned to make composite prods which made thier crossbows more powerful.
Uh no. The Byzantines used the crossbow and knew about it already. Hello, the Greeks invented the European crossbow. What do you think a Ballistae is except for a big version of a crossbow? The Byzantines like wise had most if not all their cavalry use mounted archery and they use a composite recurve bow, first Hunnic, then Turkic.
@Twycross What the Greeks invented is the forerunner of the European crossbow. I am not sure whether the Byzantines continued to use the ballistae during the medieval period. The weapon is complex and expensive to maintain. Its use was decline after the fall of the Western Roman Empire and other siege weapons like the trebuchet and mangorel was favored. What type of crossbow does the Byzatine had if they even had it at all?
@MrLantean Of course they continued the Balistae. It's not like the Byzantine Empire was really a whole different Empire than the Roman one. Simply a continuation of it but without the western portion. The east was always more wealthy because of the trade.
The byz however did prefer the composite bow. I personally prefer the composite bow over a crossbow if I was a soldier in those times.
@Twycross The Byzantines may have continue to make and use the balistae for a certain period before it was completely phased out. Why would they call the crossbow a Frankish weapon if they already crossbows of their own? What does Byzantine crossbow look like and is it similiar to Roman manubalistae?
@MrLantean Probably because that was the main missile weapon of the western crusades who they called all to be "Franks" which really meant 'roman catholic.' Although they wouldn't use that term since in their mind (and still in the mind of the Orthodox) they are the Romans, and they are the Catholics using the Orthodox faith.
Check out Flies, Mice and the Byzantine Crossbow, Byzantine and Modern Greek Studies
@Twycross The recurved composite bow went through more evolutionary steps as centuries went by. The ends of the bow was futher stiffened allowing more energy to store up and the use of string bridge to increase the speed of the arrow when released. The most powerful recurved composite bow is probably of Turkish design. In 1971, an American archer shot a thin carbon arrow with a Turkish composite bow and its range was 1854 metres.
LOL!!! The Chinese invented more powerful , fast and complicated crossbows in around 1500 BC . While Europeans invented some simple , basic crossbows in around 1000 AD.
I like his dinamic in explaination of mediaeval weapons.Also i always prefered crossbow with stirup(second one that appear in this video, does anyone know where could i find drawings of parts of this CB?).Excellent video indeed.
@sethmccord100 If you mean new instead of noo then you are right. Yankee juvenile delinquent pronounciation is NOT correct compared with new, which is the original and normal pronounciation for commonwealth nations such as scotland and australia.
It was invented in what is now Hubei province, which is now a part of The People's Republic of China; but in 500 BCE there WAS no PRC nor "China". In fact there was no country at all at that time. There was a conglomerate of states that were not unified, and notably did not contain the area that is now Hubei.
That's like saying the ancient Picts were English, and they invented the "Blarg", so the "Blarg" was an English invention.
Why the fuck you guys say you don` t like the guy? He is a true history professor and gives us some instructive insight into weaponery, so what` s the problem?
I know the oldest and closest first forms upcoming in europe were Gastraphetes, which is of course greek. I would call it a crossbow for sure. And I have heard plenty that the asian ones are older, but both invented independent from eachother. Something from the idea very clever would be the chinese Chu-ke nu. but here again a greek counterpart exists, such as repeating balistae. I wouldnt fight about who was first with the Idea of a crossbow. both, in europe and asia came up in own conditions
the belthook looks like the best one, has more punch than the regular pullback one and u dont spend much time fiddling about, just crouch down a bit and hook it on
I made a crossbow when I was 10 and bought an arrow from the store. I went to my school field and shot it from one end of the field and I saw the arrow go forever until it was gone. It went right over the school and gone. I used the crossbow once. It was the coolest weapon I ever made.
Cool story. I used to make and shoot simple recurve bows and slingshots as a kid, and had a blast doing it. Sounds like you had much the same childhood! Sadly, today we would be considered dangerous, then we were just kids! :-)
That Windlass crossbow was very impressive. And when you think about it, it took him probably 5 to 7 seconds to wind and load it. Fired en masse, that'd be some powerful devastation.
True, but crossbows were not used as mass weapons like bows, mostly because they were much more expensive, look at old paintings, bow users always shoot at an angle and in great numbers while crossbow men always fire straight at their enemy or ontop of a wall/elephant
Jaahaah has a very good point on repeating crossbows. They were inaccurate and underpowered, but their main value was in demoralizing enemy forces. It's not really 'groundbreaking', especially considering it was never adopted 'en masse'.
Likewise, Europeans 'did' develop higher draw-weight crossbows like the Steel crossbow, something China never had. It's just the path of progression, really.
European crossbows could penetrate PLATE armor, and repeating crossbows where not automatic but more like a modern day bolt action rifle, and only had 65-pounds of force in them
I'm not sure how accurate that is. I've never heard of the Chinese using steel arbalests. Could you provide a source of reference for me to look over?
dude, wish i knew how the trigger works, and how to make it, cuz i made 1 and i use some weird pulley system as a trigger, if any1 knows how to do it, let me know
Its actually quite simple, I cant describe everything to you on youtube because of the word limit but just Google "crossbow how it works" and do it like its showed. But since this is not the 1300s you can use modern tools and split the crossbow in half, then put all parts in and glue it back so you dont have to struggle with all the tiny parts.
Oh yeah, definitely the medieval uzi.. Oh well except for the part about it shooting bolts... Oh and having to reload after every shot.. Oh and uzis aren't issued to our modern military.. You know, now that I think about it- yeah, no, it's not even remotely close to a medieval uzi.
actually it has got some comparitive features to the AK47, firstly its aweapon which and fucker can use u can give it to anyone and they will be able to use it effectivley just like a AK, secondly it is quite deadly and has good range, Obviously im not sayin it is a fucking good as a Uzi im just sayin it is a medevil weapon which has certain things about it which you could compare i.e the impact it had on the batlefield etc
no i'm saying that the Crossbow is comparative to the Uzi and the AK not in terms of its actual effectiveness just the impact it had at the time, also it can be used by anyone which is the same as an AK47
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Bennybull10 1 month ago
What about the TAC 15?
MrGammable 1 month ago
what tv show is this???
CNX625 3 months ago
@CNX625 weapons that made britain
bsapaka 3 months ago
weak, the chinese were using better crossbow a thousand years before the europeans.
kx06 4 months ago
@kx06 Citation of any kind?
1465225568 4 months ago
@1465225568 Citation of what, idoit
kx06 4 months ago
@kx06 Defensive much? You need to relax first off. Secondly, I was referring to a citation that backs up what you previously said. It's very easy to spew ridiculous garbage on the internet, and your comment sounds a bit far-fetched/exaggerated.
1465225568 4 months ago
@1465225568 LOL, let me guess, you think that the white men invented the first crossbow. how bout you look into chinese military/weapons history, its all there.
kx06 4 months ago
@kx06 You can guess all you want. I was simply asking for a citation. I'm more than familiar with Chinese weapons history. As a practitioner of Shaolin Kung Fu, I've had a significant exposure to the types of weapons that were used in Chinese military combat, and I haven't seen much use of bows or crossbows in that context. That's why I was asking for a citation. I was just curious. Let ME guess, you are Chinese and absolutely hate white people.
1465225568 4 months ago
@1465225568 if your familar with chinese military history then you should know that chinese use crossbows a thousand years before the first crossbow appear in western europe in the 11th century. Composite crossbow along with the repeating crossbow were used in china during the warring state era from 600 BC till the end of the Han dynasty when it was discontinued. lol practitioner of Shaolin Kung fu, lol guess you been watching to many shaolin movies. take a chill pill nerd
kx06 4 months ago
@kx06 I fully realize there's no way for me to prove it via the internet, but believe what you want. You escalated this from me asking for citations. Btw, you can never watch too many shaolin movies.
1465225568 4 months ago
@1465225568 Oooo i'm so scare, ahahha i assume you complete the 36th chambers of Shaolin, LMFAO. so who your Sifu? oh wait let me guess the bum from chinatown LOL
kx06 4 months ago
@1465225568 Oooo i'm so scare, ahahha i assume you complete the 36th chambers of Shaolin, LMFAO. so who your Sifu? oh wait let me guess the bum from chinatown LOL
kx06 4 months ago
@kx06 Lol. No, but that is a classic movie. And I wasn't threatening by saying that at all. Not sure why you've taken so much offense to it. I've studied under Master Rick Felice in KY for a few years now. Our school is part of the Shoalin Do system headed by grandmaster Sin Kwang The. Honestly, I couldn't care less about the origins of the crossbow. You're acting stupid now.
1465225568 4 months ago
@1465225568 Sin Kwang The is a fake, And Shaolin do system is not even Shaolin at all, and by the way learn to spell Shaolin idiot, lol. if you couldnt careless about the orgin of the crossbow, well i dont give a shit. lol fucken troll!!!
kx06 4 months ago
@kx06 Well I can't say I'm surprised you're ripping on ShaolinDo. You're not the first to. I'd love to see you spar Sin Kwang The after calling him a fake, although you've probably never sparred anyone at this point, so your opinion doesn't really concern me. So do you believe that what the current Shaolin monks are doing is traditional Shaolin kung fu? Because that would be the funniest thing you could say. And I didn't troll; I asked for citations. You seem to conveniently forget that.
1465225568 4 months ago
@kx06 And congrats on spelling idiot correctly this time! You're showing improvement, and that's important!
1465225568 4 months ago
@1465225568 lol go make some kung pow chicken, lol
kx06 4 months ago
@kx06 And with that, I can see the mature conversation is over. Have fun being angry.
1465225568 4 months ago
@kx06 Btw, when calling someone an idiot, it may be a good idea to spell it correctly.
1465225568 4 months ago
@Zaxo5000 A crossbow?
whowantsabighug 5 months ago
simple crossbow
schlacht66 6 months ago
i bet he shoots innocent ppl and eats them in his warehouse. i am just saying...
piippiz 7 months ago
just imagine if you had a gun back then, you would be a god!
juki0h 7 months ago
Sehr interessant.
TAPICTURES 8 months ago
Its kind of cool, but what do you accomplish from spending most of the youth learning about the middle ages and spend most of your old years explaining this when you're never going to use this in life.
WPUSMA1 8 months ago
@WPUSMA1 That's a pretty odd question, considering his vocation. He's getting paid to share this knowledge, so by that measure, this knowledge of his is his living. He *is* using this knowledge in life, and from what I see, he's using it very successfully. I, for one, am damn happy that he has and can share this around, because it's interesting and debunks a lot of myths surrounding Middle-Age warfare.
GeneralofBalls 7 months ago
@theninjaswerehere he probably likes quiches, when splatting them with poleaxes :-)
AngelisMortis01 11 months ago
is this guy in a TV-Doku? if not its a waste :P
ElrondMcBong100 1 year ago
the dude in the video killed a dolfin with his bear hands!
chakicheese 1 year ago
good information, but annoying way.
nihilnisi 1 year ago
I was doing a reenactment at Hever castle a few months back and I stayed over night in our big medieval pavillion when all the others went home. I had a go with my friend's 80lb crossbow and it is a beasty thing. I'm an archer and the longbow takes real skill to actually use properly. The crossbow doesn't, just brute strength and a bit of practise. Horrible, yet incredibly fun things.
666satanification666 1 year ago
I wish my history teachers in school were like him. Those classes would have been so much more fun :). I did have a couple teachers that I liked, but the learning part of the class still sucked.
LotusDragon09 1 year ago
This guys' nuts!
landofold 1 year ago
I love that the English love weapons as much as we do.
oldstock1607 1 year ago
The Crossbow sucks against the Longbow.
tubveh 1 year ago
@tubveh
So do early gunpowder weapons.
The difference is that u can train any raw recruit to use a crossbow or a musket in a matter of weeks. A bowman needs to have a lot more physical strength and years of training.
What's the point of having 10 good bowmen if the enemy can muster 30 crossbowmen?
Molo9000 1 year ago
@Molo9000 Because the 10 longbow men get first shot and from there over double the speed :) I realize the advantages of using a crossbow for large armies, but we longbow fans are speaking of what we would rather have and be skilled with, as a single person thinking of myself and not a huge army I prefer being skilled with the more versatile, long range and fast to shoot longbow, as a millitary commander without trained longbowmen sure I would choose crossbows. But if possible I'd have longbowmen
miles305678 1 year ago
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tubveh 1 year ago
what kind of drugs are you taking.....??????
dithbmine1 1 year ago
this guy is funny
Titleification 1 year ago
Thank you for this video and your efforts. Very interesting...
kraken58 1 year ago
I wonder what the hell the first man ever to figure out that swim bladders from fish makes good glue was doing...
Jaahaah 1 year ago 38
@Jaahaah He may have used them to form a makeshift vagina then used the old ones to make glue.
napalmcannon 1 year ago
@Jaahaah Or for that matter, the first man to say "I'm gonna squeeze these dangly parts on a cow and drink whatever comes out."
NikovK 1 year ago
@Jaahaah Probably cooking
niceswede 11 months ago 19
@niceswede And washing dishes after a fish dinner...
kovona 5 months ago
@niceswede "sorry dear, but it tastes like glue."
"shaddup and eat... darling..."
rozniy 3 days ago
@Jaahaah 'make the most wonderful glue'
minxel16 10 months ago
@Jaahaah jacking off
kaindrg 8 months ago
@Jaahaah you dont think maybe they were gonna eat the fish so they boiled it and then realized that the bladders were actually really good materials for glue?
eywazzuplol 7 months ago
@Jaahaah probably cooking a fish :)
zdkezios 7 months ago
@Jaahaah I wonder what the hell the first man to discover milk was doing...
uyoiou 3 weeks ago
@Jaahaah They didn't have porno so I'll go with the cooking and de-scaling of the fish.
shaider1982 3 weeks ago
this guy seems a little excitable lol
mick220567 1 year ago
The prod of the European crossbow is so short that the full draw is located barely half way of the stock. The prod of the European crossbow is not recurved despite being a composite material. The full draw of the Chinese crossbow is located at the end of the stock and the prod is a recurved composite one. When Mike Loades fires a bolt from the Chinese crossbow, cracking sound like the sound of a whip was heard. The bolt travels at a supersonic speed when released and penetrates a target deeper.
MrLantean 1 year ago
@MrLantean How is this new information? The immense draw weights of later European crossbows were more to compensate for the piddly draw lengths than anything. The Euros did, however, have a habit of cribbing answers from other people. If greater cultural exchange had occurred between the East and the West, you'd likely see rather similar crossbows in both areas.
halfassedfart 1 year ago
@halfassedfart The Ancient Greeks' gastraphetes is the first known crossbow in Europe. The Romans also had their own version and pieces of it was found recently in Xanten, Germany. It is really unknown there the Xanten crossbow or arcubalista is used as a weapon or simply a hunting tool. There are no records on how crossbow reappeared in Late Medieval Europe. It is possible an attempt to reverse engineer Roman model or the type used by the Avar nomads as claimed by some historians.
MrLantean 1 year ago
@MrLantean Interesting information, my favorite weapon/hunting device of all time is the longbow, but I would not mind such powerful/rapid fire poison tiped shooting crossbows :) anyway thanks for the info and has a nice day!
miles305678 1 year ago
@miles305678 The repeating crossbow is more of a weapon of terror but Chinese civilians kept them for home defense. Chinese crossbow is more powerful than European one and there is a type that could hit its target at 500 yards. Bronze triggle mechanism was discovered at the tomb of China's First Emperor. The Chinese still use crossbows in battles as late as 1900.
MrLantean 1 year ago
@MrLantean But the mojority of the crossbows were replaced by muskets as early as 15th century. However, Chinese were still using conventional composite bows as a supplement to the firearms which takes much more time to reload.
MrBladewill 1 year ago
@MrBladewill Composite bows had higher rate of firing and better accuracy than muskets. However it takes years of training to become skilled archers. Crossbows were never drop out of use by the Chinese unlike Europeans. During the Boxer Rebellion in 1900, Qing Chinese soldiers and boxers were reported to be using crossbows in battles.
MrLantean 1 year ago
First European crossbow used a wooden prod and it had to be long or the prod would break during the draw attempt. Western European relearned the composite technology from Muslim horse archers during the Crusades and replaced the wooden prods with composite ones. Chinese crossbow had always used a recurved composite prod since the weapon was invented. The bows used by Chinese infantry and horse archers were always recurved composite bows.
MrLantean 1 year ago
On an episode of Weapon Masters, Mike Loads explains the difference between European and Chinese crossbows. European crossbow has a rolling cylindrical pawl called a 'nut' to retain the cocked string and trigger system, was used to retain the force of the cocked string in the nut and then release the nut to spin and the string to shoot the bolt. Chinese crossbow has a sophisticated bronze triggers with safety notches and is nibble enough to release but strong enough to hold the string.
MrLantean 1 year ago
2:40 HAHA EPIC!
stingerX24 1 year ago
Have you seen ancient Chinese crossbows? Far superior.
Charles2337 1 year ago
@Charles2337 The Chinese had been using crossbows for 1500 years before the West. Unfortunately people are more familiar with crossbows of European design. When it come to Chinese crossbows, people are more familiar with the repeating crossbows.
MrLantean 1 year ago
@MrLantean
Yup.
Charles2337 1 year ago
sweet
crossbowman1000 1 year ago
In the West, crossbowmen used the pavish to protect themselves while reloading their crossbow. In China, crossbowmen already used the volley firing technique since the 3rd century BC. This discovery is from the arrangement of terracotta archers from the tomb of China's first emperor. Volley firing is only used in West during the 16th century after the muskets were invented.
MrLantean 1 year ago
In the West, crossbows are invented to defeat medieval knights as crossbow bolts can pierce the plate armor. In the East, crossbows are invented to equip peasant soldiers with weapons that required less training. In the West, crossbows are restricted to small groups of elite force as they are expensive to produce. In the East, crossbows are being mass produced with industrial capability. The trigger mechanism are mass produced through casting.
MrLantean 1 year ago
@MrLantean Interesting, I always knew in the west crossbows were only for elite marksmen and for armor, but I never knew the chinese had mass produced such powerful ones. Also volley fire was used in the west prior to the musket, the English longbowmen would loose thousands of arrows across vast distances to thin huge enemy armies to easier to defeat sizes (not sure if thats what you meant by volley). Any videos on these cool chinese crossbows? I am very interested in them!
miles305678 1 year ago
@miles305678 Longbowmen may also used the volley firing. European crossbowmen never adopted the volley firing for unknown reasons. Unfortunately, the repeating crossbow is the Chinese crossbow that everyone is very familiar with. This type of crossbow allows rapid firing of bolts while sacrificing range and peneration power. However the bolts are smeared with poison and a mere scratch from one could kill a person. Thousands of such weapons will inflict physological terror on the enemy.
MrLantean 1 year ago
By the Sung Dynasty in China, the Chinese had a very powerful crossbow or arbalest known as the Divine Armed Crossbow with the accurate range of 300 meters. The Chinese also developed a type of siege crossbow which composed of 3 composite prods with its range of a mile. A hand held version that required 2 men to operate was developed and the evidence can be seen from the craving at Angkor Wat, Cambodia.
MrLantean 1 year ago
The Chinese crossbow is more powerful and is able to hit its target at a much further distance the than European crossbow. The full draw of the European crossbow is barely halfway of the stock while the Chinese version is located at the end of the stock.
MrLantean 1 year ago
@MrLantean That actually isn't true. The Chinese crossbow was designed for rapid rate of fire and thus sacrificed range and killing power. Plus the European Crossbows advanced to the point of using metal gears and cranks.
crazyviking24 1 year ago
@crazyviking24 The Chinese crossbow that you are refering is the repeating crossbow. Due to the lack of killing power, the bolts are smeared with poison. Thousands of this weapon on the battlefield pose a psycological terror on charging cavalry or infantry.
MrLantean 1 year ago
@crazyviking24 The prod of the European crossbow is so short that it is necessary to use metal gears and cranks to make a draw length. Its shortness also resulted a shorter draw length which resulted a shorter range. The Chinese simply attached their recurved composite bow on the stock. The longer draw length of the Chinese crossbow allows the bolts to hit its target at a much further range than its European counterpart.
MrLantean 1 year ago
@MrLantean That is not actually true. The later European crossbows used metal gears and cranks to create a larger amount of strength. The range of an Arbelest (late Medieavel crossbow) was greater than the yew longbow. A recurved composite bow placed sideways on a stock would have had a limit to how powerful it could be as it depended on length of draw. European crossbows used the tension from the twisting of horsehide/hemp draw strings which would have been more powerful.
crazyviking24 1 year ago
@crazyviking24 The prod of the arbalest is made of steel therefore using metal gears and cranks is necesarry to make a draw weight.The compression power of steel allows the bolts to travel further than those with composite prods. It is very useful to pierce the armor of medieval knights especially at close range. However its full draw is still located halfway of the stock. Its range may be still shorter than its Chinese counterpart.
MrLantean 1 year ago
@MrLantean Why would the Chinese crossbow be more superior when all it really was, was a bow on a stock?
Twycross 1 year ago
@Twycross The bow of choice for the Chinese is the recurved composite bow. The bow is made from wood, horn and sinew laminated together using fish glue. The compression power of horn and sinew and the recurved shape stores up a lot energy during a full draw. Even the arrow is release, it spins, allowing it to travel at the further distance and pierce armor even deeper. It is this type of bow make the Chinese crossbow more powerful.
MrLantean 1 year ago
@MrLantean No it really doesn't. It's no different than the power of a typical composite bow used by Huns and Turkics. Pierce what armor? Padded? Leather? Plate? In any case even a recurve composite won't have the draw strength of steel. Recurve technology also isn't something specific to the east. Ancient Greeks and Romans had the recurve bow and crossbows as well.
Twycross 1 year ago
@Twycross Its true that Ancients Greeks and Romans had recurved composite bows and crossbows. After the fall of the Western Roman Empire, composite bow technology was lost and crossbows became unknown both the Eastern Roman Empire and Western Europe. Mike Loades, a British weapon expert, tested both Chinese European crossbows. When the bolt was fired from the Chinese crossbow, a loud cracking sound was heard.
MrLantean 1 year ago
@MrLantean Composite technology lost? No i'm sorry but that's non sense. The Roman Empire in the east continued to use that technology and even used it more. Horse archery became a prominent aspect of their military. We hear accounts of great horse archery duels with the Persians. They also had encounters with the Avars, Bulgars, Pechenegs, Kypchak (Cumans) and various other Turkic/Iranic people that had the composite bow.
Maybe the crack was the xbow breaking. "Made in China." ;)
Twycross 1 year ago
@Twycross What i am trying to say that composite bow technology was forgotten in Western Europe. The Eastern Roman Empire retained it but they had forgotten the crossbow technology. The accounts of a 11th century Byzantine noblewoman mentions that the crusaders are carrying bowS mounted on a stock. This proves that crossbow was unknown in the Eastern Roman Empire. Western European relearned composite bow technology from the Muslims.
MrLantean 1 year ago
@MrLantean Ugh no, the Byzantines made use of the crossbow as well. And YOU said that the composite technology was forgotten in the east as well and now you are back tracking. Calling it a "bow on a mounted stock" doesn't prove that they had lost crossbow technology. Why would the western europeans need to relearn composite bow technology from Muslims when to get to the Muslims they passed through Byzantine territory. Does this make sense to you?
Twycross 1 year ago
@Twycross Crossbow was unknown in the Byzantine Empire until the crusaders arrived. It was known as a Frankish weapon. The crusaders encountered Muslim mounted archers when they entered Asia Minor and the Near East. They saw that Muslim horse archers possessed bows more powerful than their wooden bows. Early crossbows are composed wooden bow mounted on the stock. From the Muslims, Western Europeans learned to make composite prods which made thier crossbows more powerful.
MrLantean 1 year ago
@MrLantean
Uh no. The Byzantines used the crossbow and knew about it already. Hello, the Greeks invented the European crossbow. What do you think a Ballistae is except for a big version of a crossbow? The Byzantines like wise had most if not all their cavalry use mounted archery and they use a composite recurve bow, first Hunnic, then Turkic.
Twycross 1 year ago
@Twycross What the Greeks invented is the forerunner of the European crossbow. I am not sure whether the Byzantines continued to use the ballistae during the medieval period. The weapon is complex and expensive to maintain. Its use was decline after the fall of the Western Roman Empire and other siege weapons like the trebuchet and mangorel was favored. What type of crossbow does the Byzatine had if they even had it at all?
MrLantean 1 year ago
@MrLantean Of course they continued the Balistae. It's not like the Byzantine Empire was really a whole different Empire than the Roman one. Simply a continuation of it but without the western portion. The east was always more wealthy because of the trade.
The byz however did prefer the composite bow. I personally prefer the composite bow over a crossbow if I was a soldier in those times.
Twycross 1 year ago
@Twycross The Byzantines may have continue to make and use the balistae for a certain period before it was completely phased out. Why would they call the crossbow a Frankish weapon if they already crossbows of their own? What does Byzantine crossbow look like and is it similiar to Roman manubalistae?
MrLantean 1 year ago
@MrLantean Probably because that was the main missile weapon of the western crusades who they called all to be "Franks" which really meant 'roman catholic.' Although they wouldn't use that term since in their mind (and still in the mind of the Orthodox) they are the Romans, and they are the Catholics using the Orthodox faith.
Check out Flies, Mice and the Byzantine Crossbow, Byzantine and Modern Greek Studies
Twycross 1 year ago
@Twycross The recurved composite bow went through more evolutionary steps as centuries went by. The ends of the bow was futher stiffened allowing more energy to store up and the use of string bridge to increase the speed of the arrow when released. The most powerful recurved composite bow is probably of Turkish design. In 1971, an American archer shot a thin carbon arrow with a Turkish composite bow and its range was 1854 metres.
MrLantean 1 year ago
that's how the turks made their bows, 5000 years ago xD
Norguy77 1 year ago
LOL!!! The Chinese invented more powerful , fast and complicated crossbows in around 1500 BC . While Europeans invented some simple , basic crossbows in around 1000 AD.
armstrongener 1 year ago
I like his dinamic in explaination of mediaeval weapons.Also i always prefered crossbow with stirup(second one that appear in this video, does anyone know where could i find drawings of parts of this CB?).Excellent video indeed.
MrSnorreke 1 year ago
you say nueeeeew instead of new
sethmccord100 1 year ago
@sethmccord100 If you mean new instead of noo then you are right. Yankee juvenile delinquent pronounciation is NOT correct compared with new, which is the original and normal pronounciation for commonwealth nations such as scotland and australia.
Pawnbroker00 1 year ago
The Chinese didn't invent the crossbow at all.
It was invented in what is now Hubei province, which is now a part of The People's Republic of China; but in 500 BCE there WAS no PRC nor "China". In fact there was no country at all at that time. There was a conglomerate of states that were not unified, and notably did not contain the area that is now Hubei.
That's like saying the ancient Picts were English, and they invented the "Blarg", so the "Blarg" was an English invention.
taitungknight 1 year ago
Must've been hell on the back.
Antiks72 1 year ago
oldest form of this weapon is invented by tatars then used by ottomans.
soulcalibur9091 1 year ago
stupid retard. made by greeks.
lifes40123 1 year ago
Why the fuck you guys say you don` t like the guy? He is a true history professor and gives us some instructive insight into weaponery, so what` s the problem?
peterski111 1 year ago 3
don't like the guy.he over does it
Torcika 2 years ago
invented by china, copied by europe
luckyD1993 2 years ago
Actually no, weapons with such systems were invented independently in Ancient Greece and China.
Ranziel1 2 years ago
I know the oldest and closest first forms upcoming in europe were Gastraphetes, which is of course greek. I would call it a crossbow for sure. And I have heard plenty that the asian ones are older, but both invented independent from eachother. Something from the idea very clever would be the chinese Chu-ke nu. but here again a greek counterpart exists, such as repeating balistae. I wouldnt fight about who was first with the Idea of a crossbow. both, in europe and asia came up in own conditions
000000AEA000000 1 year ago
yeah, most of these old weapons were invented independently all over
boothesquirrel 1 year ago
invented in greece. chinese didnt copied it but made their own.
lifes40123 1 year ago
how does the trigger sytem work
zcknutson4 2 years ago
Google. You'll get pictures.
Quite easily made.
taitungknight 1 year ago
I wouldn't like to meet this guy in a dark alley :D
unobombers 2 years ago
Cool.
gugocappet 2 years ago
pritty cool but i think the guy is a bit crazy
xassasin03x 2 years ago 48
@xassasin03x I think he'd kill you if you'd say crossbows are gay.
Trinitrotoluo 1 year ago
@xassasin03x
he's not crazy, he just very enthousiast and loves to tell about the middle ages :)
Olwe1992 1 year ago
@Olwe1992 did you really just recommented at a 1 year old comment?
demnsda 1 year ago
@demnsda do you really look for comments which are answers to 1 year old comments?
I didnt notice its a year old.. Lets not start a lame-youtube-war cos thats really below our level i hope :)
Olwe1992 1 year ago
@Olwe1992 you were just first comment
i just read the top rated then i look down
i was just wondering if you knew
and now i know you didnt know you were commentating (orso im not english) to a 1 year old comment
demnsda 1 year ago
@demnsda
Hey I love it when people do that. it restarts the discussion.
DavidUmstattd 10 months ago
@xassasin03x he's not crazy, i think he's just being very enthusiastic and loves to talk about the middle ages
:P
watchingvids101 9 months ago
dush bag
Eliseon7711 2 years ago
I don't like the way this guy talks!!
Diabokid12 2 years ago
the belthook looks like the best one, has more punch than the regular pullback one and u dont spend much time fiddling about, just crouch down a bit and hook it on
whowantsabighug 2 years ago 3
agreed!
solitajre222 2 years ago
i love mike loades!!
carlern55 2 years ago 2
I made a crossbow when I was 10 and bought an arrow from the store. I went to my school field and shot it from one end of the field and I saw the arrow go forever until it was gone. It went right over the school and gone. I used the crossbow once. It was the coolest weapon I ever made.
adrahaxxen 2 years ago
Cool story. I used to make and shoot simple recurve bows and slingshots as a kid, and had a blast doing it. Sounds like you had much the same childhood! Sadly, today we would be considered dangerous, then we were just kids! :-)
opiumhorse 2 years ago 2
u bought an arrow? what type of shop sold them?
whowantsabighug 2 years ago
nice!
Octavius0 2 years ago
That Windlass crossbow was very impressive. And when you think about it, it took him probably 5 to 7 seconds to wind and load it. Fired en masse, that'd be some powerful devastation.
TheUsrper1 2 years ago 3
True, but crossbows were not used as mass weapons like bows, mostly because they were much more expensive, look at old paintings, bow users always shoot at an angle and in great numbers while crossbow men always fire straight at their enemy or ontop of a wall/elephant
Jaahaah 2 years ago
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devildogsam 2 years ago
sick...... haha that guys awesome
PearlJamm 2 years ago 25
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OldSnakeKonovesis 2 years ago
pretty ingenious bow construction materials! :o
nephildevil 2 years ago 3
Jaahaah has a very good point on repeating crossbows. They were inaccurate and underpowered, but their main value was in demoralizing enemy forces. It's not really 'groundbreaking', especially considering it was never adopted 'en masse'.
Likewise, Europeans 'did' develop higher draw-weight crossbows like the Steel crossbow, something China never had. It's just the path of progression, really.
Caliburnis 2 years ago
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ThegnThrand 2 years ago
European crossbows could penetrate PLATE armor, and repeating crossbows where not automatic but more like a modern day bolt action rifle, and only had 65-pounds of force in them
Jaahaah 2 years ago
Chinese people... Always comming up with something new, anyway the european crossbow was clrealy superior to the asian in power.
Jaahaah 2 years ago 3
Actually the crossbow was used in Europe as early as the 5th century BCE. The Classical Greek Gastraphetes is an example.
user8881 2 years ago
Man! you must go to the discovery chanel!!!!!
u r a very good moderator!!!
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slechka 2 years ago 2
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this guy needs a life
kenny66567 2 years ago
No you had the repeating cross bow you guys werent going for power
topprogamer 2 years ago
No, actually the Chinese had everything from repeating crossbows to steel arbalests.
r6guy 2 years ago
I'm not sure how accurate that is. I've never heard of the Chinese using steel arbalests. Could you provide a source of reference for me to look over?
Caliburnis 2 years ago
Weapon Masters, I love this show
gunman4012 2 years ago
this guy is way to excited about crossbows... dont get me wrong they are cool, but this guy takes it to far
ismokegreentrees 2 years ago
Well, he had so much history in the crossbow that he has to tell, because, lol, there is a lot.
Dragnguard 2 years ago
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this guy needs to calm down
stuartallford 2 years ago
No he doesn't. Fuck u
TimeWarp66 2 years ago 3
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yes he does. he practically gets a boner over it
stuartallford 2 years ago
Great video
sig374 2 years ago
i love that bow at 0:35 . i want it so bad
shootershit2 2 years ago
I like this dude :D
Bullet0hris 2 years ago 16
this guys awesome i want one of these,
but the chinese cocking mechanisms are better :) no offence to british ones xD
ninjasquidface 2 years ago
Damn, wouldn't want my finger or arm in the middle of that when it goes off.
SNNinja 2 years ago 2
muito bom o video,explicativo,parabens.
alphredo7 2 years ago
dude, wish i knew how the trigger works, and how to make it, cuz i made 1 and i use some weird pulley system as a trigger, if any1 knows how to do it, let me know
brdymccall 2 years ago 3
Its actually quite simple, I cant describe everything to you on youtube because of the word limit but just Google "crossbow how it works" and do it like its showed. But since this is not the 1300s you can use modern tools and split the crossbow in half, then put all parts in and glue it back so you dont have to struggle with all the tiny parts.
Jaahaah 2 years ago
i'll post a video explaining the trigger part of the crossbow i've got later on today, medieval style trigger set also, they are very simple
miolner88 2 years ago
Sweet, howabout posting it already.
davethestoner 2 years ago
posted it, no sound, but meh.
miolner88 2 years ago
the problem with these are that they are really slow at loading.......just like some of these youtube videos...lol
dukcaboose 2 years ago 4
True but the power from a windlass crossbow could be as much as 500 lbs on the draw! That was capable of ripping through armour like butter!
Urbitrix 2 years ago 2
Thats mike loads
fixdeluxe1 3 years ago
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its funny when he says "Lying on there backs!!!" lmfao wtf is he doing but medievil weapons are a gud home defense option in modern britain lmfao
shotgunwagonbum 3 years ago
Are you being serious?
000majorwinters000 3 years ago
ye man its the medevil uzi, if u hit someone with it then they will go down
shotgunwagonbum 3 years ago
Oh yeah, definitely the medieval uzi.. Oh well except for the part about it shooting bolts... Oh and having to reload after every shot.. Oh and uzis aren't issued to our modern military.. You know, now that I think about it- yeah, no, it's not even remotely close to a medieval uzi.
Necrokutan 2 years ago 5
actually it has got some comparitive features to the AK47, firstly its aweapon which and fucker can use u can give it to anyone and they will be able to use it effectivley just like a AK, secondly it is quite deadly and has good range, Obviously im not sayin it is a fucking good as a Uzi im just sayin it is a medevil weapon which has certain things about it which you could compare i.e the impact it had on the batlefield etc
shotgunwagonbum 2 years ago
An AK is the same as an uzi now?
cryora 2 years ago
no i'm saying that the Crossbow is comparative to the Uzi and the AK not in terms of its actual effectiveness just the impact it had at the time, also it can be used by anyone which is the same as an AK47
shotgunwagonbum 2 years ago
I see. But I don't know.. it's a pretty tricky comparison, since times are very different.
cryora 2 years ago