You don't happen to be the son of that hate spreading, zionist whore Pamela Geller would you? She's the nazi that started this entire anti-mosque hate campaign, something which you're continuing right here on youtube; how sweet! I do see the resemblance. You even look like that bitch.
Also, at that time, from the supposedly tolerant imam:
"In a true peace it is impossible that a purely Jewish state of Palestine can endure. . . . In a true peace, Israel will, in our lifetimes, become one more Arab country, with a Jewish minority."
He was asked if his views have changed. He gave a wordy response that amounted to "no".
Some moderate. This is the man who insists on building near Ground Zero. Hmmm... I wonder why this location is so important to him?
Today's Wall St Journal reports a quote from "moderate" Imam Rauf, from 1977 at the time of Sadat's peace with Israel:
"After a state of war with the Meccan unbelievers that lasted for many years, he (Muhammad) acceded, in the Treaty of Hudaybiyah, to demands that his closest companions considered utterly humiliating. Yet peace turned out to be a most effective weapon against the unbelievers."
you got a point man, i respect what you are saying. But how about these Muslims will not be treated as equal if it is not built there. They will never feel same as any American feel about this country.
It would be a big mess as itself for Muslim people if this mosque do not built there.
How someone would love their country where they live if they were treated unequal.
@sunnykfd you are absolutely right if, that is, the reason behind building it in this location is honorable. the reason people are protesting a mosque being built is not because the muslims have no right to build it- they do! it's just that why this specific location, where the money is coming from, who is running it, is why americans protest the mosque. if it were the peaceful muslims building it, no problem. but the people behind it, don't denounce 9/11 and want shira laws... :(
Stop lying through your teeth zionist. The builder of the proposed mosque himself appeared on 60 minutes and said he is ready to account the origin of all Mosque funds which were all traced to community members. How dare you try and spread the venom through lies? Imam Raouf and his wife Daisy Khan have have made several T.V appearances denouncing 9/11 and no one talks of Sharia Laws. It seems that you've been learning how to lie from your zionist mother Pamela Geller quite well.
Actually you lying sack of zionist shit, the hamas is a democratically elected government, elected by those same Palestinian people who your kind has illegally occupied and commits gross human rights violations against. You spread hate and ask, "how do I spread hate"? Your whole video promotes Isamophobia and hatred of Muslims. Why don't you make a video asking Jews (who immigrated to Palestine from Europe) to not build their synagogues not near but ON Palestinian land? Hate monger
You are not one to talk to you racist zionist; of course you would jump on the bandwagon of the anti-mosque tirade. If you got out of your little nazi-zionist bubble and took a physics class you might actually see that Two planes cannot bring down Three buildings, much less pulverize them in to dust. But guess what? Bombs can :D The hypocrisy in you is that if someone dared to say not to build a synagogue anywhere, you would be up in arms spewing out videos calling it "hate". Shame on you.
If Jews, God forbid, blew up the Kaaba, then wanted to build a synagogue near the ruins, you might have a point. The World Trade Center was a holy site, so to speak, of liberal democracy. Not to mention the extreme loss of innocent life.
That proposed mosque is not a simple house of worship. It's a provocation.
/agreed...also ty Altwab for your reply here as well. We've already had a Muslim cabby stabbed here in NYC. Imagine the incidents that WILL occur if this mosque is built 2 blocks away. I feel sorry for any Muslim that is attending prayers when this happens...and knowing all the looneys out in the public, something will happen. I just don't want my tax dollars going to the protection of this mosque when the city council could have denied the building of the mosque in the first place....
I'm a Muslim and I agree with you...why the hell would you build a mosque near ground zero...I mean every time people pass by that building would most likely remember September 11 attacks...
Altwab is a fake profile of jrummer221 the sneaky, sweet talking, zionist hate spreader. Now watch jrummer221 will either 1) block me 2) ask "how did I spread hate?" 3) retaliate by saying "YOU are spreading hate" (infantile I know) 4) deny that altwad isn't one of his 100 fakes. 5) Deny that he's the illegitimate child of Pamela Geller, the zionist bitch who kick started this campaign of hate and routinely denigrates Muslims on her blog. She then asks "how did I spread hate???"
Once tension is created amoung religious groups than its easy to control and influence the minds of many. Than people go against eachother, and uneducated people, like the guy whose speaking in this video, start doing stuff like this and begin to breed hate. Open your eyes and see the truth for what it really is.
The only reason this mosque is being built is because its behind a bigger agenda. You people need to open your damn eyes and see that every president to date was never in charge of anything, every damn president, including OBAMA, you think Bush was smart enough to be a president? He was just taking orders and following a agenda towards a new world order, you know why this mosque is being built? It's to create tension amoung people living there and around north america
You people are so hypocritical. Your telling me you don't know of the JEWISH centres and Cinnagogs built on former Palestinian farmland and communites. Why why why do you let the media control your mind, you're all a bunch of puppets and the deception is the puppeteer. Don't respond to this if all your going to do is bash muslims because if you go against what I'm saying and agree with this video and that quote. well then your just a hypocrite.
Have you ever been to Hawaii? I guess not. Because if you had, you would remember that the Japanese population there is astounding. There is an entire mall which is only open to Japanese people. No one pissed in someone's cheerios about that though, did they?The thing is, there are 18 million Muslim Americans which suffered horrendous actions after 9/11. In my home state of Arizona, there was a gas station owner who was beaten and stabbed to death because someone thought he LOOKED like a Muslim
Does anyone else see the problem with that. First of all, not all Arabs are Muslims, and only the vast minority of Muslims are terrorists. After all the biggotry, racism, and pain the Muslim American community suffered after 9/11, I see no reason why they shouldn't be allowed to build a place to unite their community after all of the pain they have suffered. Its not a "victory" mosque. Its a community center which will bring together a group of people who have suffered just as much as the
victims of 9/11. In fact, they are victims of 9/11 in their own rite. Do you understand what I'm saying? Their place of death and suffering has been all across the country, it is a place of suffering for them too. Religious tolerance is a gift. Hell, lets put a church and a synagogue in, too. But that's not the problem; its biggotry that's really causing all of this.
P.S.-The community center is replacing an old Burlington Coat Factory. That pretty much undermines the "sacred ground" argument.
Terrorism around the world came from the “fine” mosques that preach hate and fund terrorism. If this was a moderate mosque they would be compassionate to the victims of 9/11 instead it’s about victory of Islam if you look at the history of how Islam spreads itself throughout the world you will not be so naive.
@1pen2books To be real the Americans had chosen Obama to themselves. And it's very pity.... I believe that Americans are smart enough to choose someone else instead of Obama next time.... But pity that such a person became a president even for "only" one time..... (one time more than needed)
I think that nothing can be built in Ground Zero, (and near by it), especially a mosque that is the symbol of this terrible religion- Islam, that isn't a Memorial Center!
Your logic: Don't build it because bigots (such as yourself) don't want it. Should we build schools near Catholic churches? I mean, they've raped a LOT of kids...
Masercot, it's not bigotry. No one minds if Muslims worship God in their own way in America. But you're ignoring the fact that there is a growing worldwide jihad that is spreading to America. We've had serious problems with mosques here funding terror groups and fostering bigotry and attacks.
This imam won't discuss moving to a saner site. He won't reveal his funding. He won't rule out taking Iranian money. He won't condemn Hamas. He's shady. Why support this?
@blue222blue You mix up the religion of Islam with the political terrorism that is going on. If it wasn't political, where were the terrorist acts BEFORE 1950? The Koran hasn't changed since then. We made a mistake in supporting Israel under all circumstances...even murder and concentration camps...even to the point of spying on the U.S. and bombing our ships. Sanity needs to enter the picture on both sides...
It's not me mixing up religion and politics. I'm just pointing out that toxic mix which already exists in many US mosques.
Do you honestly think that if Israel was eradicated Muslim fanatics, not Muslims, Muslim fanatics, would live in harmony with infidels everywhere? Terror in Thailand, Philippines, India, Pakistan, Jordan, N. Africa, Pakistan and on and on... is due to Zionists and their American imperialist backers?
@blue222blue Yes, I feel that if, Israel had never existed, most of the Islamic terrorism you see today would probably never have happened. Do I dispute the right of Israel to exist? No, they are there and that is that; but, they shouldn't get free reign to do whatever they want. It does make us complicit...not that it excuses violent acts...
I'm not a fan of religious literalists aka fundamentalists (better called superficialists) of any persuasion. Heck, at least Muslims will take the trouble to threaten me with death to save my soul if I'm not convinced by their witnessing. Christians will let me burn.
That said, the crusades were a response to jihad.
There have been over 1500 Muslim terror attacks since 9/11, many of them horrific mass murders. How can you seriously argue that Christians pose the same threat?
@blue222blue The Christian assaults upon the Franks, Gepids, Brits etc were not due to a jihad. It was a religious imperial act. And, how many of those terrorist attacks were the indigenous population just fighting back? Chechnya, Iraq, Afghanistan...I mean, it was cute that Bush appointed someone to be in charge and that man surrendered, but, would you call the French WWII acts terrorism?
@blue222blue We name things in this country after Notre Dame, which was built on land seized by the Christians in bloody combat with the Franks; moreover, Cordoba was taken back from the Muslims later on. Don't pick and choose your history, son. You cannot win...
Did Notre Dame University get it's name as a tribute to Christian military conquest? Maybe, but that's a stretch. Virtually no one sees the name that way.
Sadly, it's not a stretch to imagine an imam heavily connected to Islamists choosing Cordoba as a symbol of supremacism. Millions of Muslims will recognize the allusion.
@blue222blue So, you're saying that, as a symbol of victory, the Muslims chose the name of a mosque that was TAKEN BACK BY THE CHRISTIANS??? Sorry, but it seems just an excuse of bigotry...
It's possible that the imam's explanation for the the name Cordoba, that it was a golden era of interfaith harmony (under Islamic rule with second class citizenship for infidels) was sincere. But the man has Islamist connections. He's one degree of separation from terror groups. I doubt his motivation.
By the way, I'm not anti-Muslim. I've read parts of the Koran. There is much to be admired in the theology, in my humble opinion. I'm just against intolerance of non-Muslims.
This imam favors a "one state solution" in Palestine. He was buddies with the imam who was head of the Virginia "9/11 mosque", which in its day was the supposedly moderate outreach mosque. He won't condemn Hamas. He won't rule out Iranian funding. His book called for "dawa from the rubble (of Ground Zero). He has Muslim brotherhood connections. Thee are legitimate reasons to question this guy's motives.
There was no reason to suspect GW of abetting jihad.
@blue222blue I don't find the one state solution to be a threat. Better than the concentration camp system they have now. And, this new fascination with "condemning" people, acts and beliefs; this isn't the middle ages. Publickly renouncing things should no longer be necessary. The imam has been praised by Republicans and democrats alike as very moderate. And, there are plenty of reasons to suspect George Bush of abetting jihad...
The one state solution is not a threat, unless one thinks Israel has a right to exist. One state would quickly vote itself into yet another hell hole if not actual terror state.
Nobody's talking about condemning Muslims or Arabs. We're talking about condemning Hamas, which is fully committed to genocide.
The imam is moderate in some ways. But he has disturbing connections and has said disturbing things. There's good reason to ask him a few questions. Why won't he answer them?
You're being disingenuous. You know and I know that Hamas is genocidal. I'll save you the three clicks if you insist:
From Hamas charter article 7:
The Islamic Resistance Movement aspires to implement Allah's promise, whatever time that may take. The Prophet, Allah bless him and grant him salvation, has said...
... "The Day of Judgment will not come about until the Muslims will fight the Jews (and kill them), until the Jews hide behind rocks and trees, which will cry: Oh Muslim! Oh Abdullah!, there is a Jew behind me, come on and kill him. Only the Gharqad tree would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews."
@blue222blue That is in Hamas' charter, I grant you; however, the Hamas POLITICAL party took out genocidal tenets from their own platform and has been attempting a peaceful coexistence. So, which Hamas did the Imam support?
Bush abetted jihad? Perhaps unintentionally. Why on earth would a fundamentalist Christian on a Mission from God to spread American values throughout world want the global jihad to succeed?
@blue222blue Unintentional? That's being charitable. We weren't attacked by Iraq; however, we put the bulk of our troops there, leaving the mastermind behind the attacks free to move through Afghanistan and into Pakistan. Bush is all about money and has been dealing with Arabs for decades...
We defended Kuwait, and stopped Saddam as he was massing on the border of the Saudi oil fields. Saddam lost, and agreed to surrender conditions. He then violated the surrender repeatedly, including firing many times on US planes enforcing no-fly zones.
@blue222blue We defended Kuwait AFTER Bush's ambassador TOLD Iraq that we didn't mind if they attacked. Specifically, envoy April Glaspie told Bagdad the we were staying out of border disputes between arab nations. As for Iraq after the first war, after a few downings the planes stayed out of the no fly zones, and Iraq was very much contained. Kind of a cheap out from telling me why a war based on 9/11 ended up in Iraq...
I understand your points. Frankly, it's not worth typing pages of rebuttals, since we're now far off-topic, and since you go farther afield each time your point is answered.
Let's say for discussion purposes you're right, America is an evil imperialist and Israel a cruel oppressor of innocent "Palestinians". That doesn't mean we should not be concerned with the Cordoba Mosque developers' Islamist connections and statements.
@blue222blue I admit, we've gone off topic; but, you have given me a respectful and enjoyable discussion of the matter. I even learned something about the terrorist group, Hamas...as opposed to the political party...
Thank you, masercot. I enjoyed reading your views, too. It's great to have a real discussion with an intelligent person on a controversial topic like this. Usually these threads are horrible! :)
"Concentration camp system" seems to imply that Israel voluntarily keeps Palestinian Arabs in torture and death camps, out of evil. Please supply a shred of evidence for this.
@blue222blue Israel shuts down the camps all the time, keeping supplies from coming in and people from going out. Occasionally, they lob a few missiles in, just to keep the populace alert. Israelis created their own Krystalnacht with a hotel bombing (they admitted bombing it), then used the bombing to inflict horrors on innocent people...
Israel controls the borders to prevent smugging of war materiel and direct attacks. They assassinate , by missle and otherwise, enemy leaders. They've attacked hotels, hospitals, and schools. They're used as military installations.
@blue222blue Your use of the word "they" is specious. There are violent elements in the Palestinian camps, but the "they" that suffers are innocent men, women and children. Israelis have become sadists over the years. And, starving folks isn't preventing smuggling...
@1tryingtoimprove, yes, that's one reason I don't know anyone (mosque opposer or supporter) who believes that's the motivation -- it's just not believable in light of Imam Rauf & wife's stiff-necked, in-your-face attitude about the whole thing. Those I know who support the mosque do so b/c they say (wrongly) that this is a matter of religious freedom.
@EncompassedRunner I agree with you 100% and I am happy to finally find someone who also understands that this claim of 'religious freedom' is totally bogus.
Con Edison owns part of that land so it is NOT all "private property" as these terrorist supporters, claim.
And if they can;t follow their religion if that mosque is not in that exact spot, then what have they been following till now?
We need a Jewish Temple there or Jews have no free speech or religious rights, by such 'logic".
You don't happen to be the son of that hate spreading, zionist whore Pamela Geller would you? She's the nazi that started this entire anti-mosque hate campaign, something which you're continuing right here on youtube; how sweet! I do see the resemblance. You even look like that bitch.
DinaStrangee 1 year ago
Nice video. Respectful, from the heart.
7beers 1 year ago
true words
avnerbr 1 year ago
Also, at that time, from the supposedly tolerant imam:
"In a true peace it is impossible that a purely Jewish state of Palestine can endure. . . . In a true peace, Israel will, in our lifetimes, become one more Arab country, with a Jewish minority."
He was asked if his views have changed. He gave a wordy response that amounted to "no".
Some moderate. This is the man who insists on building near Ground Zero. Hmmm... I wonder why this location is so important to him?
blue222blue 1 year ago
Today's Wall St Journal reports a quote from "moderate" Imam Rauf, from 1977 at the time of Sadat's peace with Israel:
"After a state of war with the Meccan unbelievers that lasted for many years, he (Muhammad) acceded, in the Treaty of Hudaybiyah, to demands that his closest companions considered utterly humiliating. Yet peace turned out to be a most effective weapon against the unbelievers."
blue222blue 1 year ago
you got a point man, i respect what you are saying. But how about these Muslims will not be treated as equal if it is not built there. They will never feel same as any American feel about this country.
It would be a big mess as itself for Muslim people if this mosque do not built there.
How someone would love their country where they live if they were treated unequal.
God bless all the people in world.
sunnykfd 1 year ago
@sunnykfd you are absolutely right if, that is, the reason behind building it in this location is honorable. the reason people are protesting a mosque being built is not because the muslims have no right to build it- they do! it's just that why this specific location, where the money is coming from, who is running it, is why americans protest the mosque. if it were the peaceful muslims building it, no problem. but the people behind it, don't denounce 9/11 and want shira laws... :(
jrummer221 1 year ago
@jrummer221
Stop lying through your teeth zionist. The builder of the proposed mosque himself appeared on 60 minutes and said he is ready to account the origin of all Mosque funds which were all traced to community members. How dare you try and spread the venom through lies? Imam Raouf and his wife Daisy Khan have have made several T.V appearances denouncing 9/11 and no one talks of Sharia Laws. It seems that you've been learning how to lie from your zionist mother Pamela Geller quite well.
DinaStrangee 1 year ago
you're an ignorant, hate spreading zionist. You people have blood on your hands. Bloody racists.
DinaStrangee 1 year ago
@DinaStrangee 1) you don't know me
2)how did i spread hate?
3) zionism has nothing to do with this
4) hamas and other terrorists are the only people with blood on their hands
5)what did i say that was racist?
6) the only person spreading hate is YOU.
jrummer221 1 year ago 6
@jrummer221
Actually you lying sack of zionist shit, the hamas is a democratically elected government, elected by those same Palestinian people who your kind has illegally occupied and commits gross human rights violations against. You spread hate and ask, "how do I spread hate"? Your whole video promotes Isamophobia and hatred of Muslims. Why don't you make a video asking Jews (who immigrated to Palestine from Europe) to not build their synagogues not near but ON Palestinian land? Hate monger
DinaStrangee 1 year ago
You are not one to talk to you racist zionist; of course you would jump on the bandwagon of the anti-mosque tirade. If you got out of your little nazi-zionist bubble and took a physics class you might actually see that Two planes cannot bring down Three buildings, much less pulverize them in to dust. But guess what? Bombs can :D The hypocrisy in you is that if someone dared to say not to build a synagogue anywhere, you would be up in arms spewing out videos calling it "hate". Shame on you.
GeorgiaIsOnMyMind 1 year ago
@GeorgiaIsOnMyMind
If Jews, God forbid, blew up the Kaaba, then wanted to build a synagogue near the ruins, you might have a point. The World Trade Center was a holy site, so to speak, of liberal democracy. Not to mention the extreme loss of innocent life.
That proposed mosque is not a simple house of worship. It's a provocation.
blue222blue 1 year ago
/agreed...also ty Altwab for your reply here as well. We've already had a Muslim cabby stabbed here in NYC. Imagine the incidents that WILL occur if this mosque is built 2 blocks away. I feel sorry for any Muslim that is attending prayers when this happens...and knowing all the looneys out in the public, something will happen. I just don't want my tax dollars going to the protection of this mosque when the city council could have denied the building of the mosque in the first place....
Shiloh4662 1 year ago
I'm a Muslim and I agree with you...why the hell would you build a mosque near ground zero...I mean every time people pass by that building would most likely remember September 11 attacks...
altwab 1 year ago
@altwab very true, thank you altwab! salam :)
jrummer221 1 year ago
@jrummer221
Altwab is a fake profile of jrummer221 the sneaky, sweet talking, zionist hate spreader. Now watch jrummer221 will either 1) block me 2) ask "how did I spread hate?" 3) retaliate by saying "YOU are spreading hate" (infantile I know) 4) deny that altwad isn't one of his 100 fakes. 5) Deny that he's the illegitimate child of Pamela Geller, the zionist bitch who kick started this campaign of hate and routinely denigrates Muslims on her blog. She then asks "how did I spread hate???"
DinaStrangee 1 year ago
@altwab
Thank you, altwab. I'm against the mosque, but I am not against Muslims in any way. I respect them and their religion very much.
blue222blue 1 year ago
Hmm, I wonder how those clever Zionists arranged this?
"Mosque's Saudi Patron"
from Investor's Business Daily online, editorial page 8/26/10
blue222blue 1 year ago
You are extremely moderate, balanced, and respectful. This is VERY rare here on YouTube. Thank you for expressing your opinion publicly.
welovesarahpalin 1 year ago
@welovesarahpalin Thank you so much for watching!
jrummer221 1 year ago 3
IF YOU STILL DISAGREE WITH ME, WATCH THIS /watch?v=QZpT2Muxoo0
if you still disagree, than you're an obnoxious hypocritical idiot
moh09 1 year ago
Once tension is created amoung religious groups than its easy to control and influence the minds of many. Than people go against eachother, and uneducated people, like the guy whose speaking in this video, start doing stuff like this and begin to breed hate. Open your eyes and see the truth for what it really is.
moh09 1 year ago
The only reason this mosque is being built is because its behind a bigger agenda. You people need to open your damn eyes and see that every president to date was never in charge of anything, every damn president, including OBAMA, you think Bush was smart enough to be a president? He was just taking orders and following a agenda towards a new world order, you know why this mosque is being built? It's to create tension amoung people living there and around north america
moh09 1 year ago
You people are so hypocritical. Your telling me you don't know of the JEWISH centres and Cinnagogs built on former Palestinian farmland and communites. Why why why do you let the media control your mind, you're all a bunch of puppets and the deception is the puppeteer. Don't respond to this if all your going to do is bash muslims because if you go against what I'm saying and agree with this video and that quote. well then your just a hypocrite.
moh09 1 year ago
Have you ever been to Hawaii? I guess not. Because if you had, you would remember that the Japanese population there is astounding. There is an entire mall which is only open to Japanese people. No one pissed in someone's cheerios about that though, did they?The thing is, there are 18 million Muslim Americans which suffered horrendous actions after 9/11. In my home state of Arizona, there was a gas station owner who was beaten and stabbed to death because someone thought he LOOKED like a Muslim
PattiMakesMusic 1 year ago
Does anyone else see the problem with that. First of all, not all Arabs are Muslims, and only the vast minority of Muslims are terrorists. After all the biggotry, racism, and pain the Muslim American community suffered after 9/11, I see no reason why they shouldn't be allowed to build a place to unite their community after all of the pain they have suffered. Its not a "victory" mosque. Its a community center which will bring together a group of people who have suffered just as much as the
PattiMakesMusic 1 year ago
victims of 9/11. In fact, they are victims of 9/11 in their own rite. Do you understand what I'm saying? Their place of death and suffering has been all across the country, it is a place of suffering for them too. Religious tolerance is a gift. Hell, lets put a church and a synagogue in, too. But that's not the problem; its biggotry that's really causing all of this.
P.S.-The community center is replacing an old Burlington Coat Factory. That pretty much undermines the "sacred ground" argument.
PattiMakesMusic 1 year ago
Nicely put young man. Don't just Love Charles Krauthammer...
itsallaboutyoubaby 1 year ago
0:42 course so many problems.
this what them want.
No Mosque at Ground Zero
watch?v=nkMolLriAkQ
731288 1 year ago
good video...totally agree :))
adi012adiassaf 1 year ago
911 was an inside job the muslims were set up!
absenseofbrains 1 year ago
Well Said. They may have the RIGHT to build it there but it is not RIGHT.
Pendragon1717 1 year ago
Terrorism around the world came from the “fine” mosques that preach hate and fund terrorism. If this was a moderate mosque they would be compassionate to the victims of 9/11 instead it’s about victory of Islam if you look at the history of how Islam spreads itself throughout the world you will not be so naive.
batyam1987 1 year ago
yo i hate you, but i totally agree.
AdamIntellectual7 1 year ago
Then,Is not it an insult to 911 victims by the fact that a person with middle name of
one of the sacred names of Muslims and dad being a Muslim....we are hypocrite...simple...
amavous1 1 year ago
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Then,Is not it an insult to 911 victims by the fact that a person with middle name of
one of the sacred names of Muslims and dad being a Muslim is our president....we are hypocrite...simple...
amavous1 1 year ago
@1pen2books To be real the Americans had chosen Obama to themselves. And it's very pity.... I believe that Americans are smart enough to choose someone else instead of Obama next time.... But pity that such a person became a president even for "only" one time..... (one time more than needed)
bibi2900 1 year ago
I think that nothing can be built in Ground Zero, (and near by it), especially a mosque that is the symbol of this terrible religion- Islam, that isn't a Memorial Center!
bibi2900 1 year ago
@bibi2900 well...here you have the "petro lobby musslim complex" in action.!!
I don´t think amercian people will tolerate a mosque there or near there.
Have the highest representants of Islam apologize and asked for pardon ?
Well....Obama can build a mosque there but I don ´t think it would be stand for long.
American citizens have more balls than people think and don ´t like to be laughed at. Now, they want to convert USA to Islam !! hahahaaaaaa
1pen2books 1 year ago
Your logic: Don't build it because bigots (such as yourself) don't want it. Should we build schools near Catholic churches? I mean, they've raped a LOT of kids...
masercot 1 year ago
@masercot
Masercot, it's not bigotry. No one minds if Muslims worship God in their own way in America. But you're ignoring the fact that there is a growing worldwide jihad that is spreading to America. We've had serious problems with mosques here funding terror groups and fostering bigotry and attacks.
This imam won't discuss moving to a saner site. He won't reveal his funding. He won't rule out taking Iranian money. He won't condemn Hamas. He's shady. Why support this?
blue222blue 1 year ago
@blue222blue You mix up the religion of Islam with the political terrorism that is going on. If it wasn't political, where were the terrorist acts BEFORE 1950? The Koran hasn't changed since then. We made a mistake in supporting Israel under all circumstances...even murder and concentration camps...even to the point of spying on the U.S. and bombing our ships. Sanity needs to enter the picture on both sides...
masercot 1 year ago
@masercot
It's not me mixing up religion and politics. I'm just pointing out that toxic mix which already exists in many US mosques.
Do you honestly think that if Israel was eradicated Muslim fanatics, not Muslims, Muslim fanatics, would live in harmony with infidels everywhere? Terror in Thailand, Philippines, India, Pakistan, Jordan, N. Africa, Pakistan and on and on... is due to Zionists and their American imperialist backers?
blue222blue 1 year ago
@blue222blue Yes, I feel that if, Israel had never existed, most of the Islamic terrorism you see today would probably never have happened. Do I dispute the right of Israel to exist? No, they are there and that is that; but, they shouldn't get free reign to do whatever they want. It does make us complicit...not that it excuses violent acts...
masercot 1 year ago
@masercot
What about the 1400 years of Islamic imperialism before Israel?
blue222blue 1 year ago
@blue222blue Two thousand years of Christian imperialism and counting. Is Christianity a terrorist religion?
masercot 1 year ago
@masercot
I'm not a fan of religious literalists aka fundamentalists (better called superficialists) of any persuasion. Heck, at least Muslims will take the trouble to threaten me with death to save my soul if I'm not convinced by their witnessing. Christians will let me burn.
That said, the crusades were a response to jihad.
There have been over 1500 Muslim terror attacks since 9/11, many of them horrific mass murders. How can you seriously argue that Christians pose the same threat?
blue222blue 1 year ago
@blue222blue The Christian assaults upon the Franks, Gepids, Brits etc were not due to a jihad. It was a religious imperial act. And, how many of those terrorist attacks were the indigenous population just fighting back? Chechnya, Iraq, Afghanistan...I mean, it was cute that Bush appointed someone to be in charge and that man surrendered, but, would you call the French WWII acts terrorism?
masercot 1 year ago
@masercot
Please ask yourself: why did this imam choose to call the project Cordoba House?
Cordoba is a city in Spain where Muslims conquered by force, then built a mosque on the rubble of the Catholic church they destroyed.
blue222blue 1 year ago
@blue222blue We name things in this country after Notre Dame, which was built on land seized by the Christians in bloody combat with the Franks; moreover, Cordoba was taken back from the Muslims later on. Don't pick and choose your history, son. You cannot win...
masercot 1 year ago
@masercot
Did Notre Dame University get it's name as a tribute to Christian military conquest? Maybe, but that's a stretch. Virtually no one sees the name that way.
Sadly, it's not a stretch to imagine an imam heavily connected to Islamists choosing Cordoba as a symbol of supremacism. Millions of Muslims will recognize the allusion.
blue222blue 1 year ago
@blue222blue So, you're saying that, as a symbol of victory, the Muslims chose the name of a mosque that was TAKEN BACK BY THE CHRISTIANS??? Sorry, but it seems just an excuse of bigotry...
masercot 1 year ago
@masercot
It's possible that the imam's explanation for the the name Cordoba, that it was a golden era of interfaith harmony (under Islamic rule with second class citizenship for infidels) was sincere. But the man has Islamist connections. He's one degree of separation from terror groups. I doubt his motivation.
By the way, I'm not anti-Muslim. I've read parts of the Koran. There is much to be admired in the theology, in my humble opinion. I'm just against intolerance of non-Muslims.
blue222blue 1 year ago
@blue222blue Our last president was one degree of separation from Osama Bin Laden. I'm not specifically pro-Muslim...but I am pro-bill-of-rights...
masercot 1 year ago
@masercot
This imam favors a "one state solution" in Palestine. He was buddies with the imam who was head of the Virginia "9/11 mosque", which in its day was the supposedly moderate outreach mosque. He won't condemn Hamas. He won't rule out Iranian funding. His book called for "dawa from the rubble (of Ground Zero). He has Muslim brotherhood connections. Thee are legitimate reasons to question this guy's motives.
There was no reason to suspect GW of abetting jihad.
blue222blue 1 year ago
@blue222blue I don't find the one state solution to be a threat. Better than the concentration camp system they have now. And, this new fascination with "condemning" people, acts and beliefs; this isn't the middle ages. Publickly renouncing things should no longer be necessary. The imam has been praised by Republicans and democrats alike as very moderate. And, there are plenty of reasons to suspect George Bush of abetting jihad...
masercot 1 year ago
@masercot
The one state solution is not a threat, unless one thinks Israel has a right to exist. One state would quickly vote itself into yet another hell hole if not actual terror state.
Nobody's talking about condemning Muslims or Arabs. We're talking about condemning Hamas, which is fully committed to genocide.
The imam is moderate in some ways. But he has disturbing connections and has said disturbing things. There's good reason to ask him a few questions. Why won't he answer them?
blue222blue 1 year ago
@blue222blue Hamas' charter indicates the desire for a Israel/Palestine homeland. Where do you get the genocide part?
masercot 1 year ago
@masercot
Hamas is very open about its genocidal aspirations. Just Google. It's not a secret.
blue222blue 1 year ago
@blue222blue Yeah, I tend to get that a lot when people don't have the answers...
masercot 1 year ago
@masercot
You're being disingenuous. You know and I know that Hamas is genocidal. I'll save you the three clicks if you insist:
From Hamas charter article 7:
The Islamic Resistance Movement aspires to implement Allah's promise, whatever time that may take. The Prophet, Allah bless him and grant him salvation, has said...
blue222blue 1 year ago
@masercot
... "The Day of Judgment will not come about until the Muslims will fight the Jews (and kill them), until the Jews hide behind rocks and trees, which will cry: Oh Muslim! Oh Abdullah!, there is a Jew behind me, come on and kill him. Only the Gharqad tree would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews."
blue222blue 1 year ago
@blue222blue That is in Hamas' charter, I grant you; however, the Hamas POLITICAL party took out genocidal tenets from their own platform and has been attempting a peaceful coexistence. So, which Hamas did the Imam support?
masercot 1 year ago
@masercot
Bush abetted jihad? Perhaps unintentionally. Why on earth would a fundamentalist Christian on a Mission from God to spread American values throughout world want the global jihad to succeed?
blue222blue 1 year ago
@blue222blue Unintentional? That's being charitable. We weren't attacked by Iraq; however, we put the bulk of our troops there, leaving the mastermind behind the attacks free to move through Afghanistan and into Pakistan. Bush is all about money and has been dealing with Arabs for decades...
masercot 1 year ago
@masercot
We were attacked by Iraq.
We defended Kuwait, and stopped Saddam as he was massing on the border of the Saudi oil fields. Saddam lost, and agreed to surrender conditions. He then violated the surrender repeatedly, including firing many times on US planes enforcing no-fly zones.
blue222blue 1 year ago
@blue222blue We defended Kuwait AFTER Bush's ambassador TOLD Iraq that we didn't mind if they attacked. Specifically, envoy April Glaspie told Bagdad the we were staying out of border disputes between arab nations. As for Iraq after the first war, after a few downings the planes stayed out of the no fly zones, and Iraq was very much contained. Kind of a cheap out from telling me why a war based on 9/11 ended up in Iraq...
masercot 1 year ago
@masercot
I understand your points. Frankly, it's not worth typing pages of rebuttals, since we're now far off-topic, and since you go farther afield each time your point is answered.
Let's say for discussion purposes you're right, America is an evil imperialist and Israel a cruel oppressor of innocent "Palestinians". That doesn't mean we should not be concerned with the Cordoba Mosque developers' Islamist connections and statements.
blue222blue 1 year ago
@blue222blue I admit, we've gone off topic; but, you have given me a respectful and enjoyable discussion of the matter. I even learned something about the terrorist group, Hamas...as opposed to the political party...
masercot 1 year ago
@masercot
Thank you, masercot. I enjoyed reading your views, too. It's great to have a real discussion with an intelligent person on a controversial topic like this. Usually these threads are horrible! :)
blue222blue 1 year ago
@masercot
"Concentration camp system" seems to imply that Israel voluntarily keeps Palestinian Arabs in torture and death camps, out of evil. Please supply a shred of evidence for this.
blue222blue 1 year ago
@blue222blue Israel shuts down the camps all the time, keeping supplies from coming in and people from going out. Occasionally, they lob a few missiles in, just to keep the populace alert. Israelis created their own Krystalnacht with a hotel bombing (they admitted bombing it), then used the bombing to inflict horrors on innocent people...
masercot 1 year ago
@masercot
Israel controls the borders to prevent smugging of war materiel and direct attacks. They assassinate , by missle and otherwise, enemy leaders. They've attacked hotels, hospitals, and schools. They're used as military installations.
blue222blue 1 year ago
@blue222blue Your use of the word "they" is specious. There are violent elements in the Palestinian camps, but the "they" that suffers are innocent men, women and children. Israelis have become sadists over the years. And, starving folks isn't preventing smuggling...
masercot 1 year ago
@masercot
Respectfully, Bill of Rights is a red herring. No one is suggesting the mosque can't be legally built.
blue222blue 1 year ago
@blue222blue Perhaps not. But, people in the government are publickly voicing opposition, which is just as bad...
masercot 1 year ago
Biased!! Lol
crazyjedimindtrick 1 year ago
jrummer says in the video "It's supposed to bring cultures together in peace and even before being built it has already failed to do that".
Excellent point.
1tryingtoimprove 1 year ago
@1tryingtoimprove, yes, that's one reason I don't know anyone (mosque opposer or supporter) who believes that's the motivation -- it's just not believable in light of Imam Rauf & wife's stiff-necked, in-your-face attitude about the whole thing. Those I know who support the mosque do so b/c they say (wrongly) that this is a matter of religious freedom.
EncompassedRunner 1 year ago
@EncompassedRunner I agree with you 100% and I am happy to finally find someone who also understands that this claim of 'religious freedom' is totally bogus.
Con Edison owns part of that land so it is NOT all "private property" as these terrorist supporters, claim.
And if they can;t follow their religion if that mosque is not in that exact spot, then what have they been following till now?
We need a Jewish Temple there or Jews have no free speech or religious rights, by such 'logic".
1tryingtoimprove 1 year ago
peace and islam don't go together.
radical islam, it is islam.
Quran is the Mein Kampf of War
islam it is new nazism.
free world from islam.
731288 1 year ago
look...this is much ado about nothing
the center will cost between 100-200 mil...they have raised 20k
they dont have an architect, plans or even an enviromental impact study
and then there are the unions...cant do construction in nyc without union workers (no illegals working construction in nyc)
and then there are the cops...cant do construction in ny state without cops directing traffic...on overtime...how many cops will take the gig?
brabon1 1 year ago
the decision of HUSEIN obama insult our intelligence...it's to disrespectful ... seems like he wants to light up our anger
Athlon2010 1 year ago