Animal Testing - Is It Necessary?

[rainbowstargreengirl]

First of all i cant take any subject seriously when there are clay rats talking about it. Secondly, Do you realize that the alternative to anaimal testing is human testing, which would be absolutly hanious. A human life is worth much more than a rat, or any animals life.

[xxiRapeZombiezxx]

i love it i for one hate animal cruelty im sorry for those who disagree but i will not look my dog in a cage inject a bunch of chemicals in her body and see wat happens i have morals Hitler and his followers injected chemicals into pregnant Jewish women wombs and newborns to see the reaction Nazi germany is over and i hope one day this will to lets fight for a better world

[noratmedicine]

“Animal studies are done for legal reasons and not for scientific reasons. The predictive value of such studies for man is meaningless.”; - Dr James D. Gallagher; Director of Medical Research; Lederle Laboratories; Journal of the American Medical Association; March 14 1964.;

curedisease. net

[TheArcherofire]

Between 1901 and 1910, Alexis Carrel, using experimental animals, performed

every feat and developed every technique known to vascular surgery today.

Unmodified or regular insulin was processed from porcine and bovine pancreas and was the only type of insulin available for clinical use until the mid-1930s More than 100,000 monkeys were killed in the course of developing the polio vaccines. One rhesus monkey, when killed, supplied sixty-five doses of vaccine.

[noratmedicine]

@TheArcherofire All of these claims have been responded to many times. re polio vaccine.. from Dr Sabin himself...

"... prevention was long delayed by the erroneous conception of the nature of the human disease based on misleading experimental models of the disease in monkeys." Sabin, Albert, MD statement before the subcommittee on Hospitals and Health Care, Committee on Veterans Affairs, House of Representatives, April 26, 1984 serial no. 98-48.

[TheArcherofire]

Galvani dissected a frog at a table where he had been conducting experiments with static electricity. Galvani's assistant touched an exposed sciatic nerve of the frog with a metal scalpel, which had picked up a charge. At that moment, they saw sparks and the dead frog's leg kick as if in life. The observation made Galvani the first investigator to appreciate the relationship between electricity and life

[TheArcherofire]

Harvey went on to prove how the blood circulated in a circle by means of countless experiments initially done on serpents and fish: tying their veins and arteries in separate periods of time, Harvey noticed the modifications which occurred; indeed, as he tied the veins, the heart would become empty, while as he did the same to the arteries, the organ would swell up.

[noratmedicine]

2007

We have learned well how to treat cancer in mice and rats but we still can’t cure people. Professor Colin Garner, quoted in Accelerator MS Is a Powerful New Tool, Genetic Engineering & Biotechnology News, Vol. 27, No. 15.

2006

We do trials in people because animal models do not predict what will happen in humans. Dr Sally Burtles, Cancer Research UK, Report of the Expert Scientific Group on phase one clinical trials, following the TGN1412 clinical trial disaster.

curedisease. net

[courtsarecorrupt]

@sciencenotrats says it all really, if someone won't debate with you but just chooses to block you. They don't want to be exposed!!

[courtsarecorrupt]

@sciencenotrats Same here and I'm in total agreement with you. Many are still taken in by these people who keep spinning the general public their lies. I got blocked without warning on here, when I merely stated the facts on vivisection. Not on this video but by another person who claims that we need to test on animals. He said "quote" my aren't you an angry one, when all I did was point out that it was all lies, then he stopped me from commenting again.

[sciencenotrats]

"Whoever does not hesitate to vivisect [do animal experiments] will hardly hesitate to lie about it." George Bernard Shaw. Viewers, esp. young people, please do nto be fooled by the claims made in this video which pretends to give both sides of the issue. It is presented by people whose careers and income are based on animal experiments and designed to mislead children. Human medicine can never be based on other species. curedisease. net mrmcmed. org navs. org aahr. org . au health. org . nz

[courtsarecorrupt]

Well said sciencenotrats!! finally someone else who speaks the truth and exposes what is really going on. I have tried to post those same sites as you, but youtube won't let me!

[sciencenotrats]

@courtsarecorrupt Im also pleased to find that I am not the only one who hasn't been fooled by these criminals. Vivisectors, you will never fool us all, you can influence almost everyone with big $, but some of us will still tell the truth.According to the US FDA 92% of new drugs fail in clinical trials, after they have passed all the safety tests in animals. US FDA (2004) "Innovation or Stagnation, Challenge and Opportunity on the Critical Path to new Medical Products" vivisectionresearch. ca

[sciencenotrats]

Oxford Uni presenting simplistic lies to children and Wellcome, a big drug company...“Animal studies are done for legal reasons and not for scientific reasons. The predictive value of such studies for man is meaningless.”; - Dr James D. Gallagher; Director of Medical Research; Lederle Laboratories; Journal of the American Medical Association; March 14 1964.; For some truth and real science curedisease . net mrmcmed . org dlrm . org vivisectionresearch . ca curedisease . com navs . org

[jedihunter176]

Yes. it IS necessary.

[marcluc1988]

@jedihunter176 Why is animal testing necessary?

[noratmedicine]

@jedihunter176 Is that your argument? Capital letters?

[jedihunter176]

@noratmedicine Is that your argument? Arguing about the correct use of the English language? Capital letters, when used like I did, are used to emphasise a word. It IS necessary. And it can be emphasized even more when surrounded with apostrophes. It *IS* necessary.

[noratmedicine]

@jedihunter176 How about this..."Yes. The earth IS flat" Just as good as your argument for animal experimentation.

[jedihunter176]

@noratmedicine Oh wow, was that an insult? Good for you, you're trying so hard! *pats head*

[noratmedicine]

@jedihunter176 OK, my apologies for beinga smart ass but if you do believe that human bnefit from animal exp, that is understandable, a great deal of trouble and expense is gone to to dupe the public. if there is a particular advance you believe was due to animal exp i would be happy to respond to that

[jedihunter176]

@noratmedicine A great deal of trouble and expense is gone to dupe the public....that animal research is wrong. If you don't already realize this, I'll be shocked.

You want a particular advance? Well, other than the countless lives of humans AND animals saved by simply making sure a medicine works, there have been numerous discoveries as well. For example, phthalates, a chemical found in children's toys, was suspected of giving testicular cancer in young children, even inside the womb. To--

[noratmedicine]

@jedihunter176 You must be kidding. How much money do you think the side trying to stop animal exp has compared to drug/chem companies and the diseases business?

The number saved is 'countless' as zero is not countable. re. animal tests identifying carcinogens..."Given substances are not necessarily carcinogenic to all species. Studies show that 46% of chemicals found to be carcinogenic in rats were not carcinogenic in mice." DiCarlo DrugMet Rev,15; p409-131984.

[noratmedicine]

@jedihunter176 For an eg of how drug co's dupe the public re animal exp google 'ajudem nos singer rockefeller ruesch vivisection'.

More re animal 'tests' from their own handbook..."Uncritical reliance on the results of animal tests can be dangerously misleading and has cost the health and lives of tens of thousands of humans." Handbook of Laboratory Animal Science Volume II Animal Models, p4, Svendensen and Hau (Eds) (CRC Press).

[jedihunter176]

@noratmedicine --prove their theory, they used a mouse model to test it out. Turns out, they were right.

Numerous other discoveries have been made, but too big to fit into here. But I can tell you what 'benefits' animal rights movements have made! ;D

On July 19, 2010, animal rights activists torched 8 rabbits which burned to death soon after, in the name of 'animal rights'. How logical of them! I can give you the whole link if you like.

[noratmedicine]

@jedihunter176 Too big? How about just one word, the name of the advance or medicine you say is a result of animal experimentation. It is the exception for a mouse model to be right for humans and such knowledge is only gained retrospectively.1987

even primates are not accurate..."Drugs known to damage the human foetus are found to be safe in 70% of cases when tried on primates." Developmental Toxicology: Mechanisms and Risk, p313, McLachlan, Pratt, and Markert (Eds).

[noratmedicine]

@jedihunter176 "...there is no ideal animal model to extrapolate teratogenicity results to human exposure because of species sensitivity and species difference." Dr Lin, In Vitro Toxicology, vol 1.1987

2007

"We have learned well how to treat cancer in mice and rats but we still can’t cure people." Professor Colin Garner, quoted in Accelerator MS Is a Powerful New Tool, Genetic Engineering & Biotechnology News, Vol. 27, No. 15.

[noratmedicine]

@jedihunter176 Not all opposition to animal exp is animal rights, many doctors care about humans and oppose animal exp because it is not applicable to humans.

"The problem with animal carcinogenicity tests is not their lack of sensitivity for human carcinogens, but rather their lack of human specificity. A positive result has poor predictive value for humans." Knight, Bailey & Balcombe, British Medical Journal USA, Vol. 5, p477.2005