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  • First they start taking Monkey brains away, then they start taking 'tard brains away..next they'll be stealing your brain.

  • WTF is in its head

  • Isnt that funny? Basically, you can reach a zen like state for a reward. Ill reach nirvana for you if you give me some doritos. lol

  • Makes me sick. When did humans decide we have the right to take another organisms brain away. Who decided that was ok and what scientific purpose does this relay.

  • @herrifick420 Nobody took this monkey's brain away. If they did, it would not be able to "tune its brain to a zenlike frequency", nor would it be able to eat, breathe or move. The monkey still has a brain. There's just a monitor attached to it. I've had monitors attached to my own brain. They don't hurt.

  • Caitlin forever, Sandrine NEVER !!!!!

  • I quote from the New Scientist article abt this - ' researchers can examine the physical structure of an animal's brain to see if neurofeedback has a physical effect – a kind of investigation not possible with humans'. This means removing the marmoset's brain, something 'not possible with humans'. Using electrodes is a secondary concern. Just how DOES a 'researcher' establish 'controls' to measure abstract concepts like 'state of mind' or 'meditation'? What control can be used as a baseline?

  • @slessorpr You just wrtoe yourself about MRI, and now all of a sudden brains have to be removed in ordfer to examine their physical structure? You complete retard. You can't do shit with a removed brain, it would be useless. Seriously stop making me lose faith in all of humanity you fucking tool.

  • @Yony42 If you even bothered to read the New Scientist article abt this clip, which I have quoted directly from, you wd not be asking me why the brains need to be examined...the only way scientists say they can record any physical change in the marnoset's brain involves it being removed! I don't agree with using animals for pointless 'science experiments'. I have made that quite clear. Now go & read the article & blush deep red when you realise what a fool you look.

  • Those who practice zazen will tell you the point of zen meditation is to stop thought & ideation, to stop the little mental voice & to cease from judgement, which I wd have imagined was a cessation of 'thought', however this scientist sees things differently regarding 'brainwave activity'. With CAT scanning & MRI (Magnetic Resonance Imaging) machines it wd not be necessary to use electrodes to observe brain activity, or is this another cheap science shortcut at the expense of a few marmosets?

  • What the fuck is a zen like state?

  • @whatisahumans Thank you!

  • So I suppose you imagine the nice scientists use superglue to stop the marmosets from removing those bloody electrodes? Perhaps they just have a quiet word with the animals b4hand & ask them very kindly not to interfere with the important experiment wired into their skulls? How DO those nice scientists do it? Giving the marmosets tranquilizers is out since it wd interfere with the b/wave pattern. How did they get those little creatures to co-operate do you think? More marshmallows? Or surgery?

  • @slessorpr I hate people like you who try their best to squeeze some kind of correctness out of their ignorance. You stick the sticker on there, train them not to take it off, the end. I don't know why you people are so scared of science intererring with your sacred bullshit concepts. You just don't want people to look too close at your precious beliefs, so you bitch about animal brutality. How would surgery even help to keep stickers on its head? Go live in a cave and please, do not reproduce.

  • @Yony42 Indeed Yony, you ARE a 'hater'. Have you ever tried to train a marmoset to do anything? Stop trying to sound like you have a clue when it's obvious you know NOTHING abt this topic. Go & boil yr ugly head.

  • @Yony42 You're trying to paint a picture where science puts stickers on Monkeys and no blood is spilt. The real truth is that animals are often harmed, suffer and die in experiments all in the name of us learning more about them, ourselves or how safe a product is. That's what people are reacting to here, that truth, and no video showing a monkey not suffering can change the videos we have all seen where animals do suffer. One evokes the other and you should at least understand that.

  • somone must have gave him a rarecandybar

  • AHH He just jerked himself off thats all

  • How do I achieve zen like state? Me want marshmellow toooo.

  • I used to have one of these as a pet, marmosets <3

  • @TrickStatus are they good pets?

  • @kobebryant9981

    Once they are used to the environment yeah, except when I would have someone it didn't recognize come over, it would try to bite their ear off ;p

  • OMG, the rise of the apes will be sooner than expected.

  • This is funny to me because I could see this turn into a dangerous paradox for the monkey. Let's say that through meditation, he detaches himself from material desire. If he doesn't meditate, he will still have desire for material, i.e., the marshmallow, but will not get one. If he meditates, he'll be rewarded with a marshmallow that he won't want. If this becomes the case, the monkey could be driven to insanity, resulting in suicide. These scientist should really ease up on the poor fellow.

  • Be the marshmallow.....

  • In Soviet Russia marshmellow zens you.

  • Drunk One Night - "Hey look at that Monkey over there! I bet I could make it meditate!"

    "You're on."

  • a marshmellow treat? how zen-like.

  • I obey to my new monkey overlords!

  • -.- hate when that happends. when monkeys are in a zen state.. hate it -.-

  • @simple11q Totally. You were just sitting there minding your own business and then suddenly this monkey begins to be in zen state. That's so uncalled for I hate it also!

  • THEY DIDNT GIVE THAT MONKEY ITS SECOND MARSHMELLOW. Fuck those douchebag scientists.

  • I Cant Even Do That

  • what does zen mean?

  • now and zen

  • If I had a marshmallow every time I achieved a zen-like state I'd be zen all the time.

  • Vivisection is fucked. I think we put the little hat on Ingrid and feed her marshmallows.

  • whats the difference between being bored, wasted or meditating?

  • 420!

  • This has nothing to do with the science and I'm not sure about my interpretation of zen-like state but shouldn't he continue to achieve this state without rewards if it is all its cracked up to be.

  • Hummmmmmmmmmmmm...

  • Ninja monkey

  • And what's the goal? To see if monkey which reaches nirvana, can levitate?

  • @fortissimoX I believe the goal is to show that brainwave frequencies can be controlled. Brainwaves are patterns that are linked with how we feel and think but without an obvious feedback or visual representation, we are unaware of them making it difficult to control. However, just like with the recent "mind powered" games that have come out, if we demonstrate with a reward or visual aid to what will happen if you focus in a particular way, you will be trained to change your brainwaves at will.

  • @DamienZshadow We know that humans can control brainwave frequencies, the goal here was to see if we could train monkeys to control their brainwaves. As mentioned in the accompanying article, brainwave control could prove a cure for various mental disorders but it's hard to tell if it works because of placebo effects. Monkeys don't suffer from the same placebo effects as humans, so if brainwave control helps a monkey with anxiety disorder, we can be more sure that it actually is helping.

  • @danielt63 Well yes, thank you for clarifying that for me. That tends to be the case with animal experimentation but while we already know brainwave frequencies can be controlled, not every individual person can willingly do so. I think this also demonstrates that anyone can be trained to manipulate their brainwaves despite it being something we cannot see.

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  • wtf is a zenlike frequency?

  • it doesn't know what it did to deserve the treat

  • The monkey is either reaching 'zen', or he's getting high on marshmellows.

  • can help disaster victims accept their fate

  • I give my penis a little treat every time it helps me achieve a zen-like state.

  • monke! monke! monke! monke! monke! monke! monke! monke! monke! monke! monke! monke! monke! monke! monke! monke! monke! monke! monke! monke! monke! monke! monke! monke! monke! monke! monke! monke! monke! monke! monke! monke! monke! monke! There is no spoon.......

  • dis nigga high as fuck yo

  • I just took a nap, and woke up because a marshmallow hit me in the face. Mixed feelings

  • I wish some people I know would be rewarded for that. I mean most of the idiots I work with are like monkeys.

  • Poor Monkey..

  • d-.-b

  • Btb kids, I know you'd like to think the dear little marmoset is wearing a cute little hat but actually it's a surgical electrode implant protruding from the animal's skull, for the convenience of the lab techs. Doesen't this 'experiment' also prove monkeys do THINK hence their 'brainwaves'? Of course since The Bible says animals have no souls vivisectionists & medical experimenters are given the blessing of the Church in their obscene & unnecessary 'research', like this New Scientist nonsense.

  • @slessorpr While your concern is understandable and appreciated, its misdirected. You're obviously clueless to what an electrode is and how far technology has progressed since it was necessary to stick something IN the brain to monitor it, and clueless to the stringent laws regulating humane treatment in laboratories, which only get stricter the more intelligent the animal is.

  • @slessorpr STOP TALKING ABOUT GOD AND LEARN ABOUT SCIENCE. An EEG was used in this experiment. An EEG is an electroencephalogram. They put STICKERS on the scalp that have electrodes on them that record a change in voltage. It is NOT an intrusive procedure (google those big-boy words if you need to). Dig your face out of your bible and start learning some useful things. And you believe animals have no "souls"!?!? YOU ARE AN ANIMAL! Duh. Plus, a soul is a concept. Silly primate you are.

  • @akbarblanchet fuck religon,

  • @akbarblanchet You obviously misread my comment Akbar. I said that the Bible says animals do not have souls, & duh, I am an atheist & animal welfare worker. I practice what I preach. Ppl like you are full of hot air & pride. If you had read my comment & understood you wd not make such a stupid reply. My concern is for animals being used for 'scientific' procedures in labs. Of course all you 25 ppl are all for vivisection (look it up!!) aren't you? Science Worshippers are as bad as Christians.

  • @slessorpr damm your a fucking idiot :) your post made me laugh :) thank you.

  • @slessorpr Fucking retard, first of all the electrodes are just stickers that measure voltage, the don't stab them into it's skull, and second of all, if souls existed, just remember that you are an animal. Last time i checked humans aren't plants or fungi.

  • No excuse will justify sticking electrodes & god knows what into those poor monkey's skulls - but after all they're just cheap research animals & therefore expendable. What was the point of surgically interfering with these monkey's brains? To achieve a Zen like state - & then be euthanased - so very educational, children... Mutilating & then euthanasing monkeys for such research is cruel & unjustifiable. What did this barbarous stunt achieve except monkey pain & misery? This is NOT science.

  • @slessorpr ofcourse this is sience. Every little piece of information pile up with all the rest of the little pieces and gives us a general understanding about things. Knowing that monkeys can CONTROL their brainwaves by will indicate that we could be able to do so aswell. which inturn hints that it might be possible for humans with ADD or similar attention problems to willfully overcome that, when knowing how to.

    Seriously, think before you comment.

  • @N3CR1S Why do you need to interfere with monkey brains to tell you what you already know! This 'experiment' is simply self-seeking scientific showmanship that belongs back in the 19th Century with Frankenstein! Science is not served by the suffering of animals as well you should know. I wd imagine you make a very convincing argument for vivisection too...

  • @slessorpr Because without an experiment that shows something, with reliable statistics, you don't really "know" it. And even with great statistics you don't really "know" it either, it is just more probable that it applies to reality.

    With your logic, christian geologists could simply stop their testing since they already "know" that all of the rocks were created 6000 years ago... right?

  • @N3CR1S You are wrong to think I have any Christian sympathies or views since I'm proud to be an atheist & have no time for self-delusion, unlike those who seek to repeat cruel, totally unnecessary 'experiments' they already know the outcome of. Nobody sympathises with animal torturers or haven't you picked that up yet? Science is not served by unthinking unfeeling slaves to the 'system'. Truly useful knowledge is not gained by causing suffering to animals. Wisdom is not science.

  • @slessorpr I see that you had some trouble understanding my last comment. I was not stating that you werer a christian, I was using your logic on the first appropriate examle i could think of. Read it again and im sure you can understand it this time.

    Since you did not, in any way, counter any of the arguments I used this discussion is now over until you do. I have already stated why those experiments are not "unnecessary" earlier, and countered your "already known outcome" argument.

  • @slessorpr who gives a shit y r u even leaving a comment

  • "Zen-Like" State. Really? I thought this was NewSCIENTIST not NewAGE BULLSHIT. Out with testable, empirical reality and in with the woo.

  • @DuxDon You saw the readout, how is that not empirical? Meditation is real and has measurable effects, the bullshit superstition around it isn't.

  • Mmmmmmm Marshmellows

  • 'bitch i meditated! where the hell is my marshmallow!?

  • Fools! He was concentrating on a fart.

  • no one wants to welcome our new simian overlords for once?

  • ok now lets give them LSD and see what happens...........for science of course.

  • Even if you give a treat to a human he cant stop thinking..he is shit scared without having to live without a desire even for couple of minutes.. I hope everyone practices for atleast 10 mins to have your brain without any desire at all..

  • @KarthikSoun How do we know when our brain has no desire, desire comes from the subconcious, which is a part of thought that we are not unaware of.

  • @phantomcreamer that is true in a way but u dont have to know, just a baby you where awake but you did not have any desires and your mind was free from brain chatter.. you will not need to know there is a whole diffrent level of intelligence behind mere thought..

  • Get that monkey out of that box :(

  • I want a cute little zen monk-ey like that. ^_^

  • This shit is harsh, people need to lay off the monkeys

  • @wrathallll Don't you mean.

    This shit is MARSH.

    like the marshmallow, i'm so clever.

  • @feuchster lol

  • OK so the monkey is a Budhist.

  • Amazing

  • It's only a matter of time before real life Kung Foo Panda...

  • Zen isn't a religion you ignorant douche.

  • So we now have given monkies religion ... excellent. .... excellent.

  • @Danmill23 Zen isn't a religion.

  • Monkeys selling Nirvana for candy...economy is really tanking...

  • I see an IgNobel coming.

  • @lovasip or not.

  • stop playing with the monkeys brain. literally

  • Monkey. Achieving Zen.

    Don't even ask me how I got here..

  • Monkey literally thinks he is god and can make candy materialize out of nothing.

  • I liked the music.

  • OOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMM

    OOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMM

    OOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

    OOOH A MARSHMALLOW!

  • LOL I'm just imagining the zen-like Confucius idiom that this marmoset would say....

    "Wear special hat

    Achieve harmony in mind

    Candy falls from the heavens"

  • @EyeOnTheTV lmao!

  • @EyeOnTheTV It made it believe in God

  • @EyeOnTheTV lol nice!

  • @EyeOnTheTV lol, nice.

  • Where is my friggin treat Bitch!

  • Buddha handed out marshmallows as well.

  • Then they become intelligent

  • and if candy doesn't work, you can also use a stick!

  • Meditating monkeys.

    My cancer! It's... It's CURED!

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  • @dafttool maromosets are considered New World Monkeys in zoology. they are primates.

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  • @dafttool That's like saying "That's not a fruit, that's an apple". Marmosets are monkeys.

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  • PPeace. That is cool.

  • i wonder what this means

  • the irony is that every time he thinks he is in a zen state he knows that he will get a treat, therefore will instead turn to a state of anxiety in anticipation of the treat. perhaps instead of offering food they could offer something less exciting that would produce repetition without causing anticipation, something more subtle. For example the environment could become slightly more comfortable, perhaps a change in temp.

  • @lukostello yh that's if they wanted the monkey to always be in a zen like state...^^ whatever the heck tht means

  • they sure fattened him up

  • what is that device on its head? a hole drilled in its head for this? what a nightmare of a life for this poor creature.

  • @Rotwangsrobot001 lolz are u stupid lol its just a mini version of a brain scanner

  • @Rotwangsrobot001 It's obviously a tiny little bowler cap.

  • @Rotwangsrobot001 Actually we don't need to drill holes into the head to read brainwaves.

  • Can someone explain to me whats going on?

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  • I thought buddha died years ago

    OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHH­HHHH!!!!!!!

  • I want to sit at that monkey's feet...

  • Where the FUCK is my treat? No more treats, no more zen! Get me out of this thing. I'm tired of these stupid experiments. Where's the woods? I think I forgot what trees look like. But, I sure remember what a transparent box looks like. Don't you people know that i'm a monkey and don't really care about all of this? Teach me to have an out-of-body experience so I can travel to another location for a few hours. This crap is boring and I need a break. Hey out there! Where's my damn treat! LOL

  • @Lisa3679 it does not have high enough brain function to understand these sorts of concepts. It's cute, and doesn't deserve to be mistreated. However, this sort of testing can prove invaluable.

  • @Telltolin Of course, the results of animal experimentation is important. But, the first thing I did after watching half of this video was laugh and make up what the monkey could be thinking. I work with clinical and laboratory researchers, so I am used to reading articles on experimental outcomes. I am usually a serious woman, but I couldn't help myself this time. My funny bone kicked in. That poor guy. All he wants is his treat. That's all he lives for. I'm just glad i'm not him (or her).

  • @Lisa3679 Ah alright, guess I'm just a bit sick of seeing brainless people cry animal abuse when it's uncalled for

  • I wish some one would give me treats whenever I stop thinking.

  • @jbear0000 They already do. It's called TV.

  • @jbear0000 Bleach your hair blonde & get extra large breast implants.

  • @dafttool That wouldn't look very good on me since I am mostly bald and have a hairy chest.

  • @jbear0000 Get a wig & electrolysis? ;) Damn, those free treats are getting expensive. Maybe it would be easier if you just bought them instead, giving them to yourself whenever you are without a thought.

  • @dafttool Lol, that is expensive, I guess I could just go see if I have some cookies in the kitchen.

  • @jbear0000 you'd get fat quick I'm guessing? ;D

  • @TheReasonWhyGuy Probably, but I wouldn't be thinking, so I guess it wouldn't matter.

  • @jbear0000 haha, gross

  • @jbear0000 You should work on Wall Street, it's written into their contracts.

  • @wasdom01 Hehe, ya, I guess they do, but I am not evil enough to work there.

  • @jbear0000 well, that is "quite" da FEAT* when u consider that "idiom" monkey "chatter" in zee head//mind, dah?

    :P in this day n' age, 2 "silence" thoughtS* which aren't even Really "vouS" but thy "brain's" Commentary:

    :P ACtionS* SPeak Louder, anyhow, and there are wayS* of "enhancinG" w/out just "silent" meditation:

    ^_____________^ G'luck, monami, w00t w00t:

    :P

  • @SaffuriousOne What?

  • @jbear0000 I think a someone owes him a refund for a dodgy translator : )

  • If you don't stop, you'll have that monkey thinking there's an invisible man in the sky that wants it to pray to it on sundays .....

  • @MassZombicide Fuck off with the religious shit in unrelated videos, poor man's troll.

  • comment 53 :D

  • under [current view count] club anyone ?

  • @Alexander4913 No, shhh.

  • what?

  • actually i wish i could do this

  • yup

  • drugz?

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