Just because Christianity doesn't condone homosexuality you don't go to a funeral praising the death of someones family, freedom of speech has gone too far
Cenk is a moron and so are the young turds. But if you know a thing about con law, and read the opinion, its obvious they got it right, despite how much the members of this church deserve to be the ones being buried. For anyone who cares, the citation is 131 S. Ct. 1207. This case is a mindfuck for bleeding heart liberals everywhere. Free speech is caught up with gay slurs. If you're a liberal you head might explode!! Dare you stand up for free speech even if its anti-gay!!?
@awf9287 You know on this rare occasion I agree 100% with Cenk. Freedom of speech is an inalienable right which must be uphold regardless of any subjective dissent against the content of certain words.
Cenk said a variation of what I've been saying for a long time. When referring to Westboro, he said the following:
"I don't know anyone in the country - conservative or liberal - who agrees with them."
I was already saying something to that effect, although I take it a step further:
"Say what you want about the Westboro Baptist Church, you still have to give them credit. All three main ideologies hate them - liberals, conservatives, and libertarians."
Anti Bible canadian media the fact is Seventh-day Adventist Mormons Jehovah's Witnesses the vast majority of Christian denominations in the , does not condone homosexuality .
absolutely right, everyone has the right to free speech, unless that free speech is directly promoting violence, one very real example of this is that one cannot yell "fire" in a movie theater. Why? because when it did happen, before it was outlawed, one person did just that, and because of the panic, one man died. even if there were no accidental deaths from the act of yelling "fire" in a movie theater will likely get you charged with involuntary manslaughter, definitely if one did die from it.
I've got to ask: when someone's "rights" are used to maliciously harm someone, are they no longer rights? (And, Americans believe their privileges are rights for some reason...)
EXPOSING THE PHELPS: These people are just POP- ART STREET PERFORMACE ARTISTS! They intend to make a statement about the american society and system and human nature in itself - they do this by using the oldest of technic of popular art: Deliberate Provocation - they want to make a point of proving that human nature is evil and agressive - nothing else - they just want to chalenge people and put a mirror up in their faces - they are putting on a huge show! Nothing to be taken all to serious.
The more I see about theese people the more I get the impression, that they consider themselves to be some kind of mirror to the US society. Maybe they are REALLY smart people USING the system and the bible to make a certain point, indirectly criticising the society, the system and the relgions disguising as "fundamentalist christiáns" - like some pop-culture street art, and probably even making a monetary profit of it OR they are REALLY dumb people - just a bunch of sad nutheads.
“Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.” -1 Corinthians 6:09-10 NKJ
“Outside are the homosexuals, those involved with the occult and with drugs, the sexually immoral, murderers, idol-worshippers, and everyone who loves and practices falsehood. "I, Yeshua (Jesus), have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the Messianic communities. I am the Root and Offspring of David, the bright Morning Star.” -Revelation 22:15-16 CJB
"For you may be sure of this, that everyone who is sexually immoral or impure, or who is covetous (that is, an idolater), has no inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God." -Ephesians 5:05 ESV
@GrandInquisitor7 if there is a god, laughable as such a concept may be, he sure as fuck would hate you and your hateful thinking. fuck you and the WBC
@ledzeppelinrools You should be rejoicing that good christians won a decisive victory for the constitution and for the Kingdom of God.Now the rights of christians to protest and preach on the streets of america is protected.Praise the Lord.
@GrandInquisitor7 im all for the constitution, just not the abuse of it by hiding behind the first amendment, all the while picketing the funerals of the people who defend that very right for these inbred fuckers. its not even fucking preaching, its mindless rambling, and its only purpose is to offend and sicken. and kingdom of god? please bitch your little fairy tale doesnt exist go live your life in denial for all i care. praise science, the constitution and south park...that is all.
@oodlesofosz well apparently dmocrats don't either what with operation fast and furious being a product of the obama administration to push dangerous gun control measures
@ledzeppelinrools Dems and Repubs are two sides of the same coin. Neither of them give a toss about the state of America. Although there are like 3 Dems who actually do.
I completely disagree, this isn't free speech, they harass people on the worst day of their lives, They make unfair accusations against people, i.e. priests rape boys. They harass everybody who don't believe in drinking the Fred Phelps Koolaid. This isn't free speech, its hate speech. I thought we were supposed to fight bullies? Apparently if the supreme court supports you then you get free range to do whatever you want. Even if thats bully people and harass them
IF YOU ARE LIBERIAL/PROGRESIVE, CONSERAVTIVE, ANTI-WAR ACTIVIST, AND TEA PARTYER WHO DEFEND THESE HATEMONGERS OF WESTBORO BAPTIST CHURCH SICK RIGHT PROTEST AT MILITARY FUNERALS YOU ALONG THE 8 SUPREME COURT JUSTICES ARE NOTHING BUT F'N QUISLINGS. AS FOR THE TYT AND PRRESIVES WHATS NEXT SELLOUT THE LGBT'S
So if I wanna call a Native American an Indian, I get told to go thru "sensitivity training" , and to use a more politically correct term when reffering to certain individuals. But the Supreme Court says it's ok for these baptist trailer park trash idiots to protest at soldiers' funerals & disrespect our nation. If I say I'm not comfortable with a muslim church 2 blocks away from Ground Zero, I'm in the wrong, but these religious extremists get away with their anitcs? Liberalism at it's finest.
@centurion205 why do you have a problem with a mosk 2 blocks away from ground zero if it was other sort of place of worship you would have no problem with it, its not about whats being said its about whether or not people have the right to choose what they have to say not whether or not whats being said is right or wrong
@kramedogify You're right, any other religous type wouldn't bother me. But the 19 guys who put themselves on planes and helped to kill thousands, did it for extreme religous reasons. So these people want a center of religous worship 2 blocks away from a site where thousands of innocent people died cause 19 assholes killed themselves for their god? Yeah, that's way too insensitive for the victims and families of those who died on 9/11. They want a mosque, build it 5 miles away, where no one cares
@centurion205 as you say there extremists whom by most mainstream muslims are not considered to be acting as part of islam, 9/11 is one of the worst events to happen in recent history but we cant use the horrible actions of a few to classify a whole religion if they say that killing thousands is part of islam then they dont deserve to have the right to chose faith, as with the westbro baptist chrurch. why is there a problem with nonextremists pray that the world be a better place.
@kramedogify The difference with the WBC people and the extremists of islam is that you don't have renegade members of WBC killing innocent civilians. To my knowledge there is virtually no other religion on Earth where people have been praised for killing themselves and killing innocent civilians in the name of god. If the muslims want another place of worship, fine by me, I don't care, but don't do it so damn close to where 3,000 people were murdered by 19 fucking extremist muslim assholes !
@centurion205 absolutely correct....matter of fact, violence that has been aimed at the WBC people is the real story. An armed vet was caught with a gun and 90 rounds of ammuntion, planning on shooting members of the family, their church has been shot at with firearms about 15 times, a pipe bomb was detonated at Fred's daughter's house (the guy only got 16 days in jail), a woman drove a car at the protestors trying to run them over, she was convicted of a minor offense, so who is violent again?
@centurion205 oh wow, fail, so people who have done nothing can't have a place of worship just because they shared something with evil people, how ignorant.
@sailornaruto39 No I didn't say that. Had you done your homework and read ALL the comments, you would know I told that nutjob that I don't give a damn where the hadji;s have their damn mosque, as long as it's not next to Ground fucking Zero ! That would be like building a Japanese temple right next to the site where the USS Arizona was sunk in Pearl Harbor. They can have their damn building anywhere else in the city but not next to where people were murdered by extremists assholes.
@sailornaruto39 What do you want from me? You're liberal arguements are not gonna get me to change my mind and my rational arguements aren't gonna change yours. So here's an idea. We go our separate ways, you go back to playing WOW in your mom's basement, wishing that we lived in a peace loving hippie friendly utopian world, and I'll go back to living in the real world.
@centurion205 regarding the "WTC Mosque" I am fine with it being built, but if I wasn't for the building of it because of the religion and 2001 incident, I would still defend with the builders because of the fundamental right to religious freedom.
@centurion205 Hey maybe you should read the Koran. Muslims like me preach peace. Those who were prasing those actions were other extremists. Don't you dare try to lump over a billion people into a tiny minority of insane people who know nothing about their own religion.
@jacobburns909 "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."
THE BIBLE IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST. King james born 1566 6th out of stewart authorrized 66 books and called it the word of God. It is funny how these guys protest Gays when a gay gave them the bible. They worship a queers substitute for Jesus. Jesus is the word of God. The bible is the mark of the beast.
Cent, do you also protect WBC's right to yell "FIRE" in a crowded theater? Would such behavior be more potentially damaging than the damage they are continuing to inflict on these soldier's families? Just wondering. Some things are just wrong, and our civil courts are the appropriate place to seek relief from such things.
Maybe ill put it in my will that they protest at my funeral if my family insists on having a Christian funeral, or that it be a really formal conformist event. That will show them. Conformity sucks.
I was just looking over the comments under this video and was surprised the see that there are comments here that are not being show-cased as top or highest rated comments which greatly surpass in votes over ones shown here as top comments.
For example: "When they die, I say we protest and pickett their funerals." was posted by vincentx915 with 75 thumbs up and there are others that are higher rated as well. lol..Even one of my old post is higher rated than those listed as top comments here.
@NuggetBlubber Well, they were going to protest at a funeral for 6 kids that burned in a fire. Guess what happened? A bunch of Christians and bikers threatened to counter-protest :)
As a result, the WBC cowered in fear and retreated.
Ah, a nice precedent set for other free speech cases, and the people will take care of any obscenities. I feel good about this.
@micometer In Australia we don't have any family's hurt or lives destroyed cause people like Westboro would go to jail. You can protest but you cannot attack or harass groups of people. Thats we Australia is not violent and considered by the world as a very diverse country. USA should learn that you can voice your opinion but do it when not destroying lives of others in a deliberate fashion to get attention like little children at pre-school. We still have rights you know.
@71saxx The WBC are not attacking or harassing groups of people, they do not use violence and they certainly doing "destroy lives". I hate them, but they have the right to free speech. So I can't tell them to stop spouting that bullshit.
@Travaillons Do not destroy lives? you tell that to the families of the dead. There is a difference between hate and free speech. Its like holding signs stating black people should be slaves or are sinners and using the word Ni&^% just cause its free speech. Didnt the KKK have free speech too. Why dont they display their signs everywhere like WBC. They can be best friends and cause no harm whatsoever to the community. I am sure all afraican americians would agree there is no harm. NOT
@71saxx I really don't think that they destroyed the lives of the families of the dead just by picketing at the funeral, sure it must have been a miserable experience, but I seriously doubt it ruined their lives. The KKK is different, they used violence, and not peaceful picketing.
@Travaillons peaceful. You obviously did not watch the speeches of all the family in the supreme court. That family is scared for life. FAG cannot be any more demeaning than it is. Those who are not gay prob do not think twice. Why don't they display signs and state all single mums with one nighters are going to hell or any person who was not married before sex. I would laugh if gay people are GODS children and the person writing the bible hated that. Funny how quickly truth can change.
@micometer i agree with you but Voltaire didn't say that!! he said that we should be open minded and someone else put in the epic parts of the quote lol.
@LoneRookRS1 Thing is; if we use the first amendment to censor them whats to stop someone from censoring political nay-saying, business competition, of even personal arguments on the basis of "Well THAT's exempt from the first amendment, this should be, too!"
@micometer If someone was to sit outside my house each day and shout that I was a cunt every morning at 8am or send threatening letters through my door, am I not justified to ask the police to intervene? We have rules against public order disturbances or antisocial behaviour because it protects people. Free speech is fine, but has a limit when it becomes a form of bullying and abuse. This is a reasonable compromise, wouldn't you agree?
@LoneRookRS1 I do agree. However, that wasn't what this ruling was about. You are talking about harassment and assault, this was about their right to say this junk.
@micometer I think the debate was more than that, it was about them publishing and mailing articles and picketing funerals. They go out of their way to bully and harass grieving relatives in order to get publicity.
@Darusdei What are you talking about? That is EXACTLY what it means. If you start saying "no you cannot say X" then what would it take for someone else to come along and say "well you can't say X why can you still say Y?"
Freedom of speech is what makes our country great even with these little hiccups. You cannot say to the WBC "no you can't say that" by law but you CAN ignore it, tune it out, or counterprotest.
@micometer so you haven't heard these things like libel and slander? or imminent threats, screaming about a threat that would cause a panic, like yelling "there's a bomb" when there actually isn't one. there are limits in free speech at your schools. obscenity limits. incitement to immediate violence or defamation... and so on.
i'm not saying that these people don't have the right to interupt a funeral there, but here it is...
@Darusdei Real threats and slander should be taken care of on a case by case basis; that is something for law enforcement and is a criminal act and not covered in free speech. Hateful words are just words and no matter how much you dislike it, censorship will only lead to more problems down the road for everyone.
I am a free speech advocate and even though I detest what the WBC are saying I know that I can just ignore them and go on with my life knowing they are universally detested.
@micometer they're interupting a ceremony. i'm very doubtful that these nutjobs can go outside of a school and scream and try to interupt a class. that's not speech
@Darusdei That may be but it is their constitutional right to do so even I and millions of others hate them for it.
If you think that then you haven't educated yourself enough in an understanding of our country, our constitution, and the ammendments. I suggest you do so.
LOL the funny thing is. Everyone keeps saying they are ignorent BUT they are the smartest christians ive ever seen. They know the bible better then anyone else! . The Phelpses atleast get one thing right: the bible is either TRUE of FALSE. You cant pick and choose, what you like!. If you say that one part of the bible is wrong, that means all the other parts become meaningless. The only mistake they make is that they believe the bible is true.... ITS A FAIRY TALE BOOK
@tuigleven I guess if you read the original bible they are wrong. The original bible basically says behead not sin everyone and everything that goes outside the word of GOD and the words contained within it. That also means any oral sex. Any women who talks back to the guy should also be whipped many times for talking back and women are mainly stated as unspoken persons who can be rapped repeatedly cause that was allowed by husband. That is just the start of it. we are talking 2000 years ago
@71saxx Who has the ABSOLUTE PROOF OF THIS? Who can say with 100% truth that God TOLD them that what is in the Bible is God's word? The Bible has been INTERPRETED over MANY years and each person who contributed to the latest version of it is only going by THEIR INTERPRETATION. If ANYONE can state with PROOF that GOD TOLD THEM that what they stated is REALLY what God SAID, then I would like to meet them, God or Jesus and tell me to my face that THIS is the WORD OF GOD.
@zunidoll2 Everybody has their own interpretation and obviously not all of them are right. Twisting the Scriptures to fit our own ideas can result in lasting harm. Two things to help us understand the Bible correctly. First consider the context (surrounding verses) of any statement. Next compare texts with other statements in the Bible that deal with the same subject. In that way we are letting God’s own Word guide our thinking, and the interpretation is not ours but his.
@zunidoll2 Many interpretations are based off of philosophical arguments to evade the Bible's clear statements of truth or to justify the way of life of people who have abandoned its moral standards.
THESE PEOPLE ARE JUST TRYING TO GET MONEY! MOST OF THEM HAVE LAW DEGREES SO THAT WHEN PEOPLE HARM THEM OR DO ANYTHING AGAINST THE LAW THEY CAN SEW THEM FOR MONEY! THAT'S WHY THEIR MESSAGES ARE SO OUTRAGEOUS! JUST IGNORE THEM!
freedom of speech is a double standard they shouldnt have won but if they didnt they would start the process of making laws of what u can and cant say we have freedom of speech but cant yell fire in a movie theater cuss people will get trampled double standard
We have artist and producers who've gone to court to compare things like public pornography to the freedom of speech. Some people term what these people do as just fake entertainment to dull the minds of the masses but I don't think it's just that nor am I in denial that our society is being damaged in more ways than they can fathom by abuse of law. The fact is that people slandering a family & the loved ones they're trying to bury are clearly not the same as other protesters. It's actual abuse.
Just don't come across as being "one of the only ones that still have morals", because it isn't true. I don't necessarily the way that the protest was conducted, but I agree that it's free speech. If you can absolutely guarantee that the 1st Amendment can be adjusted to do away with this problem without taking away our first amendment rights in the long run, then I'm fine with that. Still, we don't know how ruling against the WBC would've affected later 1st amendment court cases.
@zekdom "If you can absolutely guarantee that the 1st Amendment can be adjusted to do away with this problem without taking away our first amendment rights in the long run, then I'm fine with that." That's a really good start for you. Where there's a will there's a way but I'm not a lawyer and neither are you so 1st things first and that is to raise the awareness of this to our congress. Then you can ask them any of your you're other questions about how it can be done.
@lllwindrunner Well, let us look at what happened, shall we? The WBC won. What was accomplished? By the way, I heard that the WBC was going to protest at a funeral for 6 kids that burned in a fire. Guess what happened? Some Christians and bikers threatened to counter-protest, and the WBC "protesters" chickened out. Sometimes, things can't be fixed with words or laws, but action. You can instill laws, but it would be a tedious process that takes too long. Action speaks louder than words, afterall
@zekdom Hey. If the WBC can be repeatedly and effectively handled in a non-violent way then I'm all for that as well. I heard the WBC had wanted to protest Elizabeth Taylor's funeral but have no idea what ended up happening there. Perhaps her family had enough land and or money to get all the privacy they needed. Actions do speak louder than words. I've never once claimed they don't but if it turns to violent action, that's not a solution.
@zekdom Indeed, there's also a YT video talking about it but I didn't hear about any counter protest threats. zekdom- I going to point out something here for everyone to read and verify. You have mis- quoted me as saying I'm "one of the only ones that still have morals". That's a complete and total lie and there is not one single post here where I've said I was the one of the only people with morals. So here is an exact quote from me under this video reguarding morals and I still stand by it. >>
@zekdom >>“I think most of us would prefer to maintain an ethical and moral compus as I'm sure our founding fathers would have preferred and had intended when they wrote a constitution that was created to *allow for any important adjustments for unforeseen things*” So take special note the of the words “MOST of us" This is a moral issue as much as it is a legal topic. You create false generalizations and argue as if I've stated things I've never once claimed. Reading the whole thread reveals it.
The fact that the Westboro CULT requests police protection for their "protests" is proof that they willingly put their children in harms way. Sounds like child abuse to me.
THEY'RE putting words in their god's mouth, they aren't saying it for themselves, but instead they make people think that their (imaginary) god said it.
Freedom of speech =/= Putting words in someone's mouth.
@girty367 Thanks. As for me, I just have to maintain an ethical and moral compus as I believe our founding fathers had intended when they wrote a constitution so wisely created to allow for any important adjustments. BTW..It's very interesting to note that founding fathers Thomas Pain and Thomas Jefferson were not Christian but instead embraced a non religious deist philosophy.
@girty367 - Yes and I think you'll find that most people in this USA are also going to disagree with you as well. We are actually both 1st amendment absolutest. Citing "freedom of speech" and " freedom of religion" for consistently showing up in the very near vincinty of a families funeral services with hate speech about the one being buried is the WBC's "code" for stalking and mental abuse and not the other way around. Our consitution can be adjusted without harm to the 1st amendment.
@girty367 (#2)...So any rhetoric of 1st amendment being "pissed all over" is cliché phraseology that's not apt at all with what my point is. We have the talent and wisdom to keep people from being harmed by abusive stalkers without it stopping people from having the freedom of speech. All we need is the morality to address this as our founders would have and I'm quiet sure they would have been able to do it without loosing the 1st amendment. Be ethical and brave because we can do it right.
@girty367 Just as you cite technicalities about bearing arms and nuclear weapons etc., we can't ignore other technicalities manipulated in harmful ways with any other amendment. We have freedom of religion and "technically", as you can say, this can give a radical religious group the right to do horrible things to people in the name of their religion and abuse that amendment. Who told you it's only a matter of only "peace and comfort"?. The hard fact is that people are being abused by the WBC...
@girty367 The slope you're speaking of is no where near as slippery as the slope we're already going down from not fine tunning and evolving our constitution. Disturbing the peace is not as bad as sheer mental abuse and yet disturbing the peace can already result in an arrest depending on a given situation. I don't believe we should be cowardly fixated on an old legality if there's a larger need to fine tune an amendment to keep people from harm. We have the wisdom and creativity to do it right.
@girty367 (#2)...So To sum up the WBC is not just merely using the most disgusting and vile of free speech, they are plotting with the action of disrupting peoples *funeral services* and in a very harassing and abusive way and so that's not just a freedom of speech issue. Remember to re-read the whole constitution and never have tunnel vision with just one part of it. It was written to be able to also morph in the best and most healthy ways with the needs of our society.
@girty367 The 1st amendment was written by human beings who have clearly intended for us to have the flexibility to adjust our constitution if necessary. They were wise enough to know there might be future situations they could not foresee. So it's not required that we ride mis-used legalities over the side of a cliff and into the abyss of ignorant abuse. We can all have free speech, write strong songs, make controversial film and/or protest but the WBC is doing more than that, legal or not.
It's a bit hypocritical that WBC hates America, and yet are first to try and exploit the First Amendment for their own personal gain. If they did this in almost any other country they'd be arrested by the military and tortured for speaking their mind.
It's also terrible they have the audacity to call themselves a "church". They're a hate group, not a church.
this is why i hate religion. it is absolutely disgusting what they are doing, im pretty sure they do it for publicity. what a bunch of losers .. HEY ASSHOLE .. YEAH IM GOING TO HELL IN A F***KING HANDBASKET .. I'LL SEE YOU THERE
I have to disagree with this ruling for the WB church. IF they were not dragging along children to these protest sites then maybe I wouldnt care. But as USA citizens we can carry a weapon if we have proper paper work. How long will it take for some one to hurt these people and get a child in the crossfire? I would have voted AGAINST this church NOT for the fact of what they say but as a public safety issue for there kids. Where is the gov to protect the children now?
we have the right of speech. How about to rights of those brave soldiers to be bury in peace? Those church people should be thrown in jail for disturbing the peace.
fuck that...y do you think you are allowed to protest??? because the "faggots" aka bravest people on earth gave it to you by fighting 4 this country dumb asses...if it wasnt for our soldiers, every one of you douche bags would be dead by know...so if you protestors think you guys are hard core pick up a damn rifle and prove it
Just because they can, doesn't mean they should. Just wait until they protest the wrong familie's funeral; and all of that pain that the family the family is feeling from their loss get's aimed at those foolish protester's. What kind of low scumbag's protest at a funeral anyway? That's like kicking someone when they're already down on thw ground bleeding. Christian's...I think not!
@russcd1 Im glad you think that a child abusing cult is so grand. Ill be sure to rub it in your face when these morons get there children killed in protest. Guess youve never really seen what they do to these kids...like dragging them along to these sites as people throw items at them. Wont be long before its a gun and not a cup of hot coffee.
Freedom of Speech is Freedom of speech. They are not personally "inciting" a violent reaction from the crowd/audience. They are not directing the sign at any "one" person. Not like "John the dead fag i would of shot him myself". They have every right to protest at a funeral or anywhere else. Plus in ANY national cemetery they can not protest from 1 hour before to 1 hour after the funeral.
It makes me so angey when americans say "It's the first amendment" like they are the only country in the world with it. The Westbro Baptist church purposly incites hate but people say that it is "free speech" and "freedom of expression" defend them from a 200 year old law. But yet TYT will moan at Top Gear for expressing their opinion. Double standards much!
The WBC is a family of lawyers. Their goal has nothing to do with religion or politics, they just want to piss people off until someone takes a swing at them, and then sue them for loads of money.
protesting at the actual funeral should come under slander in my opinion as it is damn right life ruining and disrespectful. This doesn't affect freedom of speech because their still allowed to voice their opinions, just not physically ruin some poor bastards funeral.
Hey the way I see it they can have their freedom of speech, then I someone has the right to punch them in the goddamn face. Expressing freedom for freedom. They are a despicable bunch but keep in mind folks, by allowing the 1st amendment right regardless of how much you dislike it, the matter exposes the "f$cking idiots" for who they really are.
A cemetery is private property so they have never been able to protest there anyway. These people thrive on attention. Good for you for supporting the Supreme Court ruling. We have lost so much in the country over the last 100 years, what else is next?
People can be thrown out of a movie theater if they start talking or yelling out things but yet the WBC can't be thrown out of someones funeral service for mentally abusing people who only wish to bury their loved ones in peace. Freedom of speech was never meant to be used as a blanket excuse for that kind of vile action. This has gone well beyond the mere freedom of speech.> It's a criminal action by its very nature, legal or not, and thier use and excuse of religion is clearly mentally ill.
@lllwindrunner Well, they weren't on funeral grounds. They were across the street during their "protest", and I know that this is a despicable thing that they did. However, I'm not sure if I agree with it being akin to "yelling in a theater". Yelling in a theater would be similar to shouting in an airplane. Which is a confined space, but they were out in the open. Being outside doesn't count as "confined". I think that this needs to be legal, because free speech is one of the few freedoms left.
@zekdom As I've stated to one other here. I think most of us would prefer to maintain an ethical and moral compus as I'm sure our founding fathers would have preferred and had intended when they wrote a constitution that was created to *allow for any important adjustments for unforeseen things*. It's better than following an old unadjusted legality right over the side of a cliff. The constitution can be adjusted without loosing the 1st amendement. We have plenty of lawyers to be sure of that.
@lllwindrunner "We have lawyers for that"...lol. Definitely none of them are corrupt and they have the best interests of the people at heart! Sure, and Charlie Sheen is faking a "psycho" persona. The purpose of the 1st amendment was to protect unpopular speech. Popular speech doesn't need to be protected, because of its wide acceptance. If people don't like what they hear, then they can lump it. As long as you're not in a confined area, then you have free speech. Thankfully, the WB won.
@zekdom - No Thanks. As I've said before- The actions of the WBC go beyond just the freedom of speech and being the sickest kind of lawyers, the WBC lawyers can use the technicalities as it currently applies to the 1st amendment as well as freedom of religion in order to mentally abuse people grieving for those they are trying to bury. I prefer morals with wisdom over blindly following an un-adjusted legality. I highly doubt our forefathers would have not accepted this though you may.
@lllwindrunner I think our founding fathers would've found it disgusting, but they would've protected it. It was free speech and unpopular! That's the purpose of the 1st amendment to keep morally blind people from overturning what they said. Lots of free speech has harmed people's feelings, but it's allowed to keep whatever freedoms we have left in this country. I prefer not having my rights taken away just because someone got their feelings hurt. Freedom hurts, but it's worth it.
@zekdom "but they would've protected it." I highly doubt that. Our founders valued compassion for human condition and would see we have more than just freedom of speech going on in the case of what the WBC is doing. The WBC plots to place themselves near peoples "funerals" which *mentally abuses* those in extremely great grief. In sharp contrast to that> Even here on "Youtube" so free to all, there are still YT guide-lines and TOS agreements which prohibit offensive and racist speech.
@zekdom So to sum up... I think our founding father would have protected our freedom of speech but would not have protected the sort of abuse of our citizens that you think they would have protected. They surely would have made the adjustment needed to the constitution and they purposely created a constitution that can be adjusted for future situations that they knew would arise. AND...This would not take away freedom of speech.
@lllwindrunner You really think that it wouldn't take away our freedom of speech? The government wants to take away our freedoms, and this would've been the stepping stone. The founding fathers would've defended this case, but not necessarily the content of the speech.
@zekdom "You really think that it wouldn't take away our freedom of speech?" Certainly, since more than speech content is going on with this. Rights can be upheld that wouldn't take away freedom of speech but if you need to address true freedom of speech issues or the unethical covering up of information by government etc... that's an issue we might share some nods about. As for the WBC, it's about a technical stepping stone used to abuse citizens and that our founders would NOT have allowed.
Just because Christianity doesn't condone homosexuality you don't go to a funeral praising the death of someones family, freedom of speech has gone too far
Finnishbones 2 days ago
human being is not ready for religion.
igorfacil2011 3 days ago
Cenk is a moron and so are the young turds. But if you know a thing about con law, and read the opinion, its obvious they got it right, despite how much the members of this church deserve to be the ones being buried. For anyone who cares, the citation is 131 S. Ct. 1207. This case is a mindfuck for bleeding heart liberals everywhere. Free speech is caught up with gay slurs. If you're a liberal you head might explode!! Dare you stand up for free speech even if its anti-gay!!?
awf9287 2 months ago
@awf9287 You know on this rare occasion I agree 100% with Cenk. Freedom of speech is an inalienable right which must be uphold regardless of any subjective dissent against the content of certain words.
MrEnlighteneddespot 1 month ago
Thank you for posting this, TheYoungTurks.
writersblock26 3 months ago
The subtitles on this video are absolutely ridiculous
sugasugahigh88 4 months ago
Cenk said a variation of what I've been saying for a long time. When referring to Westboro, he said the following:
"I don't know anyone in the country - conservative or liberal - who agrees with them."
I was already saying something to that effect, although I take it a step further:
"Say what you want about the Westboro Baptist Church, you still have to give them credit. All three main ideologies hate them - liberals, conservatives, and libertarians."
Fatcatnevercameback 5 months ago
Anti Bible canadian media the fact is Seventh-day Adventist Mormons Jehovah's Witnesses the vast majority of Christian denominations in the , does not condone homosexuality .
jayhawk88z 5 months ago
absolutely right, everyone has the right to free speech, unless that free speech is directly promoting violence, one very real example of this is that one cannot yell "fire" in a movie theater. Why? because when it did happen, before it was outlawed, one person did just that, and because of the panic, one man died. even if there were no accidental deaths from the act of yelling "fire" in a movie theater will likely get you charged with involuntary manslaughter, definitely if one did die from it.
Zeldagigafan90210 6 months ago
WBBC is not Christian. They're a bunch of crazy ass ppl who think they're Christian. Its a cult that deserves to burn to the ground.
kimchicowboi 6 months ago
that Church gives Christianity a bad name
jayhawk88z 6 months ago
I've got to ask: when someone's "rights" are used to maliciously harm someone, are they no longer rights? (And, Americans believe their privileges are rights for some reason...)
legend0091 6 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
EXPOSING THE PHELPS: These people are just POP- ART STREET PERFORMACE ARTISTS! They intend to make a statement about the american society and system and human nature in itself - they do this by using the oldest of technic of popular art: Deliberate Provocation - they want to make a point of proving that human nature is evil and agressive - nothing else - they just want to chalenge people and put a mirror up in their faces - they are putting on a huge show! Nothing to be taken all to serious.
lastannahme 6 months ago
The Phelps family tree has no branches, it's just a trunk and a few rotten fruits.
I'm no Christian, and neither is the Phelps, they're toad spawn that crawled out of the muck and formed a perverted little shack they call a "church".
jschultzVII 7 months ago
usmc
WhatsASubscriber 7 months ago
The only way to conbat hate speech. Is true speech
redscareman 7 months ago
The more I see about theese people the more I get the impression, that they consider themselves to be some kind of mirror to the US society. Maybe they are REALLY smart people USING the system and the bible to make a certain point, indirectly criticising the society, the system and the relgions disguising as "fundamentalist christiáns" - like some pop-culture street art, and probably even making a monetary profit of it OR they are REALLY dumb people - just a bunch of sad nutheads.
lastannahme 7 months ago
we shouldn't punish WBC.......we should just talk shit about them and insult their family to use our freedom of speech.
DarkNekoNinja 7 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
fags is such a harsh word...
DarkNekoNinja 7 months ago
wtf the suck the should tear down the church for them being fags fuck wbc some one should troll them
lonelywolfsoul1 7 months ago
wtf the suck the should tear down the church for them being fags fuck wbc
lonelywolfsoul1 7 months ago
FUCK WESTBORO BAPTIST CHURCH!!
Bayzz2 7 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
(785) 273-0325 – Fred W. Phelps Sr., cell phone (785) 272-4135
Fred Phelps, Jr. (785) 273-0529
Benjamin Phelps (785) 273-0277 & (785) 273-1080
Shirley Roper (785) 272-8559
Charles Hockenbarger (785) 232-2485
Fax for Charles Hockenbarger (785) 233-4162
Phelps Family Law Office (785) 233-0766
Fax for Phelps Family Law Office (785) 969-9017
Have Fun!!!!!!!!!!!
MrHillbillyfart 7 months ago
lol people should go outside of churches and protest against them. I would laugh my fucking ass off
TheJesterFacade 7 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
“Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.” -1 Corinthians 6:09-10 NKJ
Kingdomcruz 7 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
“Outside are the homosexuals, those involved with the occult and with drugs, the sexually immoral, murderers, idol-worshippers, and everyone who loves and practices falsehood. "I, Yeshua (Jesus), have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the Messianic communities. I am the Root and Offspring of David, the bright Morning Star.” -Revelation 22:15-16 CJB
Kingdomcruz 7 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
"For you may be sure of this, that everyone who is sexually immoral or impure, or who is covetous (that is, an idolater), has no inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God." -Ephesians 5:05 ESV
Kingdomcruz 7 months ago
The Phelps won for the Greater Glory of God and the survival of the constitution.God Bless the WBC !
GrandInquisitor7 8 months ago
@GrandInquisitor7 if there is a god, laughable as such a concept may be, he sure as fuck would hate you and your hateful thinking. fuck you and the WBC
ledzeppelinrools 8 months ago
@ledzeppelinrools Potty Mouth.
GrandInquisitor7 8 months ago
@GrandInquisitor7 bible humper
ledzeppelinrools 8 months ago
@GrandInquisitor7 and i forgot, hatemonger
ledzeppelinrools 8 months ago
@GrandInquisitor7 insane bitch
ledzeppelinrools 8 months ago
@ledzeppelinrools You should be rejoicing that good christians won a decisive victory for the constitution and for the Kingdom of God.Now the rights of christians to protest and preach on the streets of america is protected.Praise the Lord.
GrandInquisitor7 8 months ago
@GrandInquisitor7 im all for the constitution, just not the abuse of it by hiding behind the first amendment, all the while picketing the funerals of the people who defend that very right for these inbred fuckers. its not even fucking preaching, its mindless rambling, and its only purpose is to offend and sicken. and kingdom of god? please bitch your little fairy tale doesnt exist go live your life in denial for all i care. praise science, the constitution and south park...that is all.
ledzeppelinrools 8 months ago
@GrandInquisitor7 Problem is, good Christians hate your cult more than Atheists hate you cult. Deal with it, brainwashed asshole.
Andy1000K 7 months ago 6
Comment removed
Andy1000K 7 months ago
@kennythecooldude LOL Because Republicans care about America?
oodlesofosz 8 months ago
@oodlesofosz well apparently dmocrats don't either what with operation fast and furious being a product of the obama administration to push dangerous gun control measures
ledzeppelinrools 8 months ago
@ledzeppelinrools Dems and Repubs are two sides of the same coin. Neither of them give a toss about the state of America. Although there are like 3 Dems who actually do.
oodlesofosz 8 months ago
@oodlesofosz the sad part is is that some don't realize that there are idiots on both sides of the spectrum.
ledzeppelinrools 8 months ago
Wow Fred Phelps is a Democrat
oodlesofosz 8 months ago
I completely disagree, this isn't free speech, they harass people on the worst day of their lives, They make unfair accusations against people, i.e. priests rape boys. They harass everybody who don't believe in drinking the Fred Phelps Koolaid. This isn't free speech, its hate speech. I thought we were supposed to fight bullies? Apparently if the supreme court supports you then you get free range to do whatever you want. Even if thats bully people and harass them
pegasusxwa316187 9 months ago
this pisses me off. they are abusing their freedom of speech and being destructive with it.
livetodancexox 9 months ago
This guy is an idiot!
He knows nothing about the ruling, the case wasn't about freedom of speach, but more about EMOTIONAL DISTRESS!
atotalnoob 9 months ago
I don't agree with the court ruling just because it's not exactly free speech, the WBC takes it to the point of harassment.
jamiedoer2 9 months ago
hahahahahaha Some troll clown below called you ANTI-WAR.
(Y) Thumbs up... That makes you a great passionate human being and worthy of respect. God blesses all those who are against war.
=0)
StopFundingIsrael 9 months ago 4
IF YOU ARE LIBERIAL/PROGRESIVE, CONSERAVTIVE, ANTI-WAR ACTIVIST, AND TEA PARTYER WHO DEFEND THESE HATEMONGERS OF WESTBORO BAPTIST CHURCH SICK RIGHT PROTEST AT MILITARY FUNERALS YOU ALONG THE 8 SUPREME COURT JUSTICES ARE NOTHING BUT F'N QUISLINGS. AS FOR THE TYT AND PRRESIVES WHATS NEXT SELLOUT THE LGBT'S
TBearM1776 9 months ago
These people remind me of watching the newest republican presidential candidates.
OrganNLou 9 months ago
So if I wanna call a Native American an Indian, I get told to go thru "sensitivity training" , and to use a more politically correct term when reffering to certain individuals. But the Supreme Court says it's ok for these baptist trailer park trash idiots to protest at soldiers' funerals & disrespect our nation. If I say I'm not comfortable with a muslim church 2 blocks away from Ground Zero, I'm in the wrong, but these religious extremists get away with their anitcs? Liberalism at it's finest.
centurion205 10 months ago 3
@centurion205 why do you have a problem with a mosk 2 blocks away from ground zero if it was other sort of place of worship you would have no problem with it, its not about whats being said its about whether or not people have the right to choose what they have to say not whether or not whats being said is right or wrong
kramedogify 10 months ago
@kramedogify You're right, any other religous type wouldn't bother me. But the 19 guys who put themselves on planes and helped to kill thousands, did it for extreme religous reasons. So these people want a center of religous worship 2 blocks away from a site where thousands of innocent people died cause 19 assholes killed themselves for their god? Yeah, that's way too insensitive for the victims and families of those who died on 9/11. They want a mosque, build it 5 miles away, where no one cares
centurion205 10 months ago
@centurion205 as you say there extremists whom by most mainstream muslims are not considered to be acting as part of islam, 9/11 is one of the worst events to happen in recent history but we cant use the horrible actions of a few to classify a whole religion if they say that killing thousands is part of islam then they dont deserve to have the right to chose faith, as with the westbro baptist chrurch. why is there a problem with nonextremists pray that the world be a better place.
kramedogify 10 months ago
@kramedogify The difference with the WBC people and the extremists of islam is that you don't have renegade members of WBC killing innocent civilians. To my knowledge there is virtually no other religion on Earth where people have been praised for killing themselves and killing innocent civilians in the name of god. If the muslims want another place of worship, fine by me, I don't care, but don't do it so damn close to where 3,000 people were murdered by 19 fucking extremist muslim assholes !
centurion205 10 months ago 7
@centurion205 absolutely correct....matter of fact, violence that has been aimed at the WBC people is the real story. An armed vet was caught with a gun and 90 rounds of ammuntion, planning on shooting members of the family, their church has been shot at with firearms about 15 times, a pipe bomb was detonated at Fred's daughter's house (the guy only got 16 days in jail), a woman drove a car at the protestors trying to run them over, she was convicted of a minor offense, so who is violent again?
nyctreeman 8 months ago
@centurion205 oh wow, fail, so people who have done nothing can't have a place of worship just because they shared something with evil people, how ignorant.
sailornaruto39 7 months ago
@sailornaruto39 No I didn't say that. Had you done your homework and read ALL the comments, you would know I told that nutjob that I don't give a damn where the hadji;s have their damn mosque, as long as it's not next to Ground fucking Zero ! That would be like building a Japanese temple right next to the site where the USS Arizona was sunk in Pearl Harbor. They can have their damn building anywhere else in the city but not next to where people were murdered by extremists assholes.
centurion205 7 months ago
@centurion205 "you would know I told that nutjob that I don't give a damn where the hadji;s have their damn mosque"
well apparently you do.
"They can have their damn building anywhere else in the city but not next to where people were murdered by extremists assholes."
That is not their problem/fault so why should they give into to sentimental bigotry?
"That would be like building a Japanese temple right next to the site where the USS Arizona was sunk in Pearl Harbor. "
and?
sailornaruto39 7 months ago
@sailornaruto39 What do you want from me? You're liberal arguements are not gonna get me to change my mind and my rational arguements aren't gonna change yours. So here's an idea. We go our separate ways, you go back to playing WOW in your mom's basement, wishing that we lived in a peace loving hippie friendly utopian world, and I'll go back to living in the real world.
centurion205 7 months ago
@centurion205 "What do you want from me?"
just calling out a bigot when i see one.
"you go back to playing WOW in your mom's basement,wishing that we lived in a peace loving hippie friendly utopian world"
don't play WoW stupid game,don't have a basement nor would i live in it,nor do i expect or eve n wish for such a world.
"my rational arguements"
your arguments are not rational, they are bigoted and quite the opposite
sailornaruto39 7 months ago
@centurion205 and you imply that the word liberal some how is a bad thing,do you think respecting the freedoms of other people is a bad thing?
You have a bad argument all you have is
"9/11 terrorists where Muslim, so a mosque can't be built near it"
that is no argument, that is appealing to sentimental bigotry
sailornaruto39 7 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@centurion205 YEA LETS KILL ALL THE NIGGERS TOO!!!!
KyleTheLamma 6 months ago
@centurion205 regarding the "WTC Mosque" I am fine with it being built, but if I wasn't for the building of it because of the religion and 2001 incident, I would still defend with the builders because of the fundamental right to religious freedom.
Zeldagigafan90210 6 months ago
@centurion205 Hey maybe you should read the Koran. Muslims like me preach peace. Those who were prasing those actions were other extremists. Don't you dare try to lump over a billion people into a tiny minority of insane people who know nothing about their own religion.
jacobburns909 5 months ago 3
@jacobburns909 "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."
Qur’an 9:29
cardsforlife 1 month ago in playlist More videos from TheYoungTurks
@centurion205 So you wouldn't want a church built on that island in Norway
ddykstra17 4 months ago
THE BIBLE IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST. King james born 1566 6th out of stewart authorrized 66 books and called it the word of God. It is funny how these guys protest Gays when a gay gave them the bible. They worship a queers substitute for Jesus. Jesus is the word of God. The bible is the mark of the beast.
MarkofBeastRevealed 10 months ago
Follow Naughty Megan Phelps on Twitter: @TheMeganPhelps
GirlsThatWearBlue 10 months ago
Sadly its on their own family
Howlbeloved 10 months ago
I bet this is gonna be the new Dred Scott decision
Doomlovesearth 10 months ago
Cent, do you also protect WBC's right to yell "FIRE" in a crowded theater? Would such behavior be more potentially damaging than the damage they are continuing to inflict on these soldier's families? Just wondering. Some things are just wrong, and our civil courts are the appropriate place to seek relief from such things.
trulyjules 10 months ago
They ARE a bunch of clowns. Couldn't have said it better.
harukis 10 months ago
Maybe ill put it in my will that they protest at my funeral if my family insists on having a Christian funeral, or that it be a really formal conformist event. That will show them. Conformity sucks.
theindigonation 10 months ago
I was just looking over the comments under this video and was surprised the see that there are comments here that are not being show-cased as top or highest rated comments which greatly surpass in votes over ones shown here as top comments.
For example: "When they die, I say we protest and pickett their funerals." was posted by vincentx915 with 75 thumbs up and there are others that are higher rated as well. lol..Even one of my old post is higher rated than those listed as top comments here.
lllwindrunner 10 months ago
anyone have an address for these guys?
sammyhi123 10 months ago
if these mother fuckers ever protested at a funeral of one of my family members I would bash their skulls in
NuggetBlubber 10 months ago
@NuggetBlubber Well, they were going to protest at a funeral for 6 kids that burned in a fire. Guess what happened? A bunch of Christians and bikers threatened to counter-protest :)
As a result, the WBC cowered in fear and retreated.
Ah, a nice precedent set for other free speech cases, and the people will take care of any obscenities. I feel good about this.
zekdom 10 months ago
if they think everyone goes to helll, why are they not prochoice? i mean, they are contradicting themselves.
becrazybabyy 10 months ago
He is right, such a thing is a slippery slope.
Voltaire said it.
"I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it."
micometer 11 months ago 23
@micometer In Australia we don't have any family's hurt or lives destroyed cause people like Westboro would go to jail. You can protest but you cannot attack or harass groups of people. Thats we Australia is not violent and considered by the world as a very diverse country. USA should learn that you can voice your opinion but do it when not destroying lives of others in a deliberate fashion to get attention like little children at pre-school. We still have rights you know.
71saxx 9 months ago
@71saxx The WBC are not attacking or harassing groups of people, they do not use violence and they certainly doing "destroy lives". I hate them, but they have the right to free speech. So I can't tell them to stop spouting that bullshit.
Travaillons 9 months ago
@Travaillons they most defiantly are harassing groups of ppl.
livetodancexox 9 months ago
@Travaillons Do not destroy lives? you tell that to the families of the dead. There is a difference between hate and free speech. Its like holding signs stating black people should be slaves or are sinners and using the word Ni&^% just cause its free speech. Didnt the KKK have free speech too. Why dont they display their signs everywhere like WBC. They can be best friends and cause no harm whatsoever to the community. I am sure all afraican americians would agree there is no harm. NOT
71saxx 9 months ago
@71saxx I really don't think that they destroyed the lives of the families of the dead just by picketing at the funeral, sure it must have been a miserable experience, but I seriously doubt it ruined their lives. The KKK is different, they used violence, and not peaceful picketing.
Travaillons 9 months ago
@Travaillons peaceful. You obviously did not watch the speeches of all the family in the supreme court. That family is scared for life. FAG cannot be any more demeaning than it is. Those who are not gay prob do not think twice. Why don't they display signs and state all single mums with one nighters are going to hell or any person who was not married before sex. I would laugh if gay people are GODS children and the person writing the bible hated that. Funny how quickly truth can change.
71saxx 9 months ago
@71saxx That's right, I did not watch those speeches, but they did not use violence.
Travaillons 9 months ago
@micometer i agree with you but Voltaire didn't say that!! he said that we should be open minded and someone else put in the epic parts of the quote lol.
deveousdevil 8 months ago
@micometer Not when they start preying on grieving families.
LoneRookRS1 7 months ago
@LoneRookRS1 Thing is; if we use the first amendment to censor them whats to stop someone from censoring political nay-saying, business competition, of even personal arguments on the basis of "Well THAT's exempt from the first amendment, this should be, too!"
micometer 7 months ago
@micometer If someone was to sit outside my house each day and shout that I was a cunt every morning at 8am or send threatening letters through my door, am I not justified to ask the police to intervene? We have rules against public order disturbances or antisocial behaviour because it protects people. Free speech is fine, but has a limit when it becomes a form of bullying and abuse. This is a reasonable compromise, wouldn't you agree?
LoneRookRS1 7 months ago
@LoneRookRS1 I do agree. However, that wasn't what this ruling was about. You are talking about harassment and assault, this was about their right to say this junk.
micometer 7 months ago
@micometer I think the debate was more than that, it was about them publishing and mailing articles and picketing funerals. They go out of their way to bully and harass grieving relatives in order to get publicity.
LoneRookRS1 7 months ago
@micometer freedom of speech doesn't mean you can go anywhere screaming anything you want...
Darusdei 6 months ago
@Darusdei What are you talking about? That is EXACTLY what it means. If you start saying "no you cannot say X" then what would it take for someone else to come along and say "well you can't say X why can you still say Y?"
Freedom of speech is what makes our country great even with these little hiccups. You cannot say to the WBC "no you can't say that" by law but you CAN ignore it, tune it out, or counterprotest.
micometer 6 months ago
@micometer so you haven't heard these things like libel and slander? or imminent threats, screaming about a threat that would cause a panic, like yelling "there's a bomb" when there actually isn't one. there are limits in free speech at your schools. obscenity limits. incitement to immediate violence or defamation... and so on.
i'm not saying that these people don't have the right to interupt a funeral there, but here it is...
Darusdei 6 months ago
@Darusdei Real threats and slander should be taken care of on a case by case basis; that is something for law enforcement and is a criminal act and not covered in free speech. Hateful words are just words and no matter how much you dislike it, censorship will only lead to more problems down the road for everyone.
I am a free speech advocate and even though I detest what the WBC are saying I know that I can just ignore them and go on with my life knowing they are universally detested.
micometer 6 months ago
@micometer they're interupting a ceremony. i'm very doubtful that these nutjobs can go outside of a school and scream and try to interupt a class. that's not speech
Darusdei 6 months ago
@Darusdei That may be but it is their constitutional right to do so even I and millions of others hate them for it.
If you think that then you haven't educated yourself enough in an understanding of our country, our constitution, and the ammendments. I suggest you do so.
micometer 6 months ago
LOL the funny thing is. Everyone keeps saying they are ignorent BUT they are the smartest christians ive ever seen. They know the bible better then anyone else! . The Phelpses atleast get one thing right: the bible is either TRUE of FALSE. You cant pick and choose, what you like!. If you say that one part of the bible is wrong, that means all the other parts become meaningless. The only mistake they make is that they believe the bible is true.... ITS A FAIRY TALE BOOK
tuigleven 11 months ago
@tuigleven I guess if you read the original bible they are wrong. The original bible basically says behead not sin everyone and everything that goes outside the word of GOD and the words contained within it. That also means any oral sex. Any women who talks back to the guy should also be whipped many times for talking back and women are mainly stated as unspoken persons who can be rapped repeatedly cause that was allowed by husband. That is just the start of it. we are talking 2000 years ago
71saxx 9 months ago
@71saxx Who has the ABSOLUTE PROOF OF THIS? Who can say with 100% truth that God TOLD them that what is in the Bible is God's word? The Bible has been INTERPRETED over MANY years and each person who contributed to the latest version of it is only going by THEIR INTERPRETATION. If ANYONE can state with PROOF that GOD TOLD THEM that what they stated is REALLY what God SAID, then I would like to meet them, God or Jesus and tell me to my face that THIS is the WORD OF GOD.
zunidoll2 8 months ago
@zunidoll2 Everybody has their own interpretation and obviously not all of them are right. Twisting the Scriptures to fit our own ideas can result in lasting harm. Two things to help us understand the Bible correctly. First consider the context (surrounding verses) of any statement. Next compare texts with other statements in the Bible that deal with the same subject. In that way we are letting God’s own Word guide our thinking, and the interpretation is not ours but his.
oodlesofosz 8 months ago
@zunidoll2 Many interpretations are based off of philosophical arguments to evade the Bible's clear statements of truth or to justify the way of life of people who have abandoned its moral standards.
oodlesofosz 8 months ago
THESE PEOPLE ARE JUST TRYING TO GET MONEY! MOST OF THEM HAVE LAW DEGREES SO THAT WHEN PEOPLE HARM THEM OR DO ANYTHING AGAINST THE LAW THEY CAN SEW THEM FOR MONEY! THAT'S WHY THEIR MESSAGES ARE SO OUTRAGEOUS! JUST IGNORE THEM!
ahol9 11 months ago
freedom of speech is a double standard they shouldnt have won but if they didnt they would start the process of making laws of what u can and cant say we have freedom of speech but cant yell fire in a movie theater cuss people will get trampled double standard
Destro088 11 months ago
"The basis of our political system is the right of the people to make and to alter their constitutions of government."
~ George Washington
lllwindrunner 11 months ago
We have artist and producers who've gone to court to compare things like public pornography to the freedom of speech. Some people term what these people do as just fake entertainment to dull the minds of the masses but I don't think it's just that nor am I in denial that our society is being damaged in more ways than they can fathom by abuse of law. The fact is that people slandering a family & the loved ones they're trying to bury are clearly not the same as other protesters. It's actual abuse.
lllwindrunner 11 months ago
*I don't necessarily like the way that they conducted the protest
zekdom 11 months ago
Just don't come across as being "one of the only ones that still have morals", because it isn't true. I don't necessarily the way that the protest was conducted, but I agree that it's free speech. If you can absolutely guarantee that the 1st Amendment can be adjusted to do away with this problem without taking away our first amendment rights in the long run, then I'm fine with that. Still, we don't know how ruling against the WBC would've affected later 1st amendment court cases.
zekdom 11 months ago
@zekdom "If you can absolutely guarantee that the 1st Amendment can be adjusted to do away with this problem without taking away our first amendment rights in the long run, then I'm fine with that." That's a really good start for you. Where there's a will there's a way but I'm not a lawyer and neither are you so 1st things first and that is to raise the awareness of this to our congress. Then you can ask them any of your you're other questions about how it can be done.
lllwindrunner 11 months ago
@lllwindrunner Well, let us look at what happened, shall we? The WBC won. What was accomplished? By the way, I heard that the WBC was going to protest at a funeral for 6 kids that burned in a fire. Guess what happened? Some Christians and bikers threatened to counter-protest, and the WBC "protesters" chickened out. Sometimes, things can't be fixed with words or laws, but action. You can instill laws, but it would be a tedious process that takes too long. Action speaks louder than words, afterall
zekdom 11 months ago
@zekdom Hey. If the WBC can be repeatedly and effectively handled in a non-violent way then I'm all for that as well. I heard the WBC had wanted to protest Elizabeth Taylor's funeral but have no idea what ended up happening there. Perhaps her family had enough land and or money to get all the privacy they needed. Actions do speak louder than words. I've never once claimed they don't but if it turns to violent action, that's not a solution.
lllwindrunner 11 months ago
@lllwindrunner Really? I haven't heard that, but I'm fairly certain that people threatened to counter protest at Taylor's funeral as well.
zekdom 11 months ago
@zekdom Indeed, there's also a YT video talking about it but I didn't hear about any counter protest threats. zekdom- I going to point out something here for everyone to read and verify. You have mis- quoted me as saying I'm "one of the only ones that still have morals". That's a complete and total lie and there is not one single post here where I've said I was the one of the only people with morals. So here is an exact quote from me under this video reguarding morals and I still stand by it. >>
lllwindrunner 11 months ago
@zekdom >>“I think most of us would prefer to maintain an ethical and moral compus as I'm sure our founding fathers would have preferred and had intended when they wrote a constitution that was created to *allow for any important adjustments for unforeseen things*” So take special note the of the words “MOST of us" This is a moral issue as much as it is a legal topic. You create false generalizations and argue as if I've stated things I've never once claimed. Reading the whole thread reveals it.
lllwindrunner 11 months ago
"If moral behavior were simply following rules, we could program a computer to be moral."
~ Samuel P. Ginder
lllwindrunner 11 months ago
What...there are no words.
starbobpizza 11 months ago
These people make Christians look bad...
tnturtlegurl 11 months ago
The fact that the Westboro CULT requests police protection for their "protests" is proof that they willingly put their children in harms way. Sounds like child abuse to me.
Andy1000K 11 months ago
Free Speech
GaysDisgustMe 11 months ago
@GaysDisgustMe Your god is a bunch of shit that doesn't exist.
How's that for free speech?
TheRealMisterDerp 11 months ago
@TheRealMisterDerp You have a right to say that and The Westbro Baptist Church has a right to say God Hates Fags.
GaysDisgustMe 11 months ago
@GaysDisgustMe No, that's a different thing.
THEY'RE putting words in their god's mouth, they aren't saying it for themselves, but instead they make people think that their (imaginary) god said it.
Freedom of speech =/= Putting words in someone's mouth.
TheRealMisterDerp 11 months ago
@girty367 Thanks. As for me, I just have to maintain an ethical and moral compus as I believe our founding fathers had intended when they wrote a constitution so wisely created to allow for any important adjustments. BTW..It's very interesting to note that founding fathers Thomas Pain and Thomas Jefferson were not Christian but instead embraced a non religious deist philosophy.
“Belief in a cruel God makes a cruel man.”
~ Thomas Paine
lllwindrunner 11 months ago
@girty367 - Yes and I think you'll find that most people in this USA are also going to disagree with you as well. We are actually both 1st amendment absolutest. Citing "freedom of speech" and " freedom of religion" for consistently showing up in the very near vincinty of a families funeral services with hate speech about the one being buried is the WBC's "code" for stalking and mental abuse and not the other way around. Our consitution can be adjusted without harm to the 1st amendment.
lllwindrunner 11 months ago
@girty367 (#2)...So any rhetoric of 1st amendment being "pissed all over" is cliché phraseology that's not apt at all with what my point is. We have the talent and wisdom to keep people from being harmed by abusive stalkers without it stopping people from having the freedom of speech. All we need is the morality to address this as our founders would have and I'm quiet sure they would have been able to do it without loosing the 1st amendment. Be ethical and brave because we can do it right.
lllwindrunner 11 months ago
@girty367 Just as you cite technicalities about bearing arms and nuclear weapons etc., we can't ignore other technicalities manipulated in harmful ways with any other amendment. We have freedom of religion and "technically", as you can say, this can give a radical religious group the right to do horrible things to people in the name of their religion and abuse that amendment. Who told you it's only a matter of only "peace and comfort"?. The hard fact is that people are being abused by the WBC...
lllwindrunner 11 months ago
@girty367 The slope you're speaking of is no where near as slippery as the slope we're already going down from not fine tunning and evolving our constitution. Disturbing the peace is not as bad as sheer mental abuse and yet disturbing the peace can already result in an arrest depending on a given situation. I don't believe we should be cowardly fixated on an old legality if there's a larger need to fine tune an amendment to keep people from harm. We have the wisdom and creativity to do it right.
lllwindrunner 11 months ago
@girty367 (#2)...So To sum up the WBC is not just merely using the most disgusting and vile of free speech, they are plotting with the action of disrupting peoples *funeral services* and in a very harassing and abusive way and so that's not just a freedom of speech issue. Remember to re-read the whole constitution and never have tunnel vision with just one part of it. It was written to be able to also morph in the best and most healthy ways with the needs of our society.
lllwindrunner 11 months ago
@girty367 The 1st amendment was written by human beings who have clearly intended for us to have the flexibility to adjust our constitution if necessary. They were wise enough to know there might be future situations they could not foresee. So it's not required that we ride mis-used legalities over the side of a cliff and into the abyss of ignorant abuse. We can all have free speech, write strong songs, make controversial film and/or protest but the WBC is doing more than that, legal or not.
lllwindrunner 11 months ago
It's a bit hypocritical that WBC hates America, and yet are first to try and exploit the First Amendment for their own personal gain. If they did this in almost any other country they'd be arrested by the military and tortured for speaking their mind.
It's also terrible they have the audacity to call themselves a "church". They're a hate group, not a church.
SirBenjamin88 11 months ago
this is why i hate religion. it is absolutely disgusting what they are doing, im pretty sure they do it for publicity. what a bunch of losers .. HEY ASSHOLE .. YEAH IM GOING TO HELL IN A F***KING HANDBASKET .. I'LL SEE YOU THERE
flamarella 11 months ago
I have to disagree with this ruling for the WB church. IF they were not dragging along children to these protest sites then maybe I wouldnt care. But as USA citizens we can carry a weapon if we have proper paper work. How long will it take for some one to hurt these people and get a child in the crossfire? I would have voted AGAINST this church NOT for the fact of what they say but as a public safety issue for there kids. Where is the gov to protect the children now?
Neesharani 11 months ago
we have the right of speech. How about to rights of those brave soldiers to be bury in peace? Those church people should be thrown in jail for disturbing the peace.
gammatnt 11 months ago
fuck that...y do you think you are allowed to protest??? because the "faggots" aka bravest people on earth gave it to you by fighting 4 this country dumb asses...if it wasnt for our soldiers, every one of you douche bags would be dead by know...so if you protestors think you guys are hard core pick up a damn rifle and prove it
DMPALONI 11 months ago 6
They are sick BASTARDS.
artiefun 11 months ago
When Cenk said "But luckily the rest of the supreme court did not agree with him and he lost" I lost all faith in the TYT.
05pittsd 11 months ago
Watch the Louis Theroux documentary on them, it's scary. "So you think of me as a friend, but you're happy I'm going to go to hell?"
"Yeah!" with seriously fucked up crazy-eyes. Someone should kill Fred Phelps and free the family from that psychopath.
MyTemporaryAccount88 11 months ago
Just because they can, doesn't mean they should. Just wait until they protest the wrong familie's funeral; and all of that pain that the family the family is feeling from their loss get's aimed at those foolish protester's. What kind of low scumbag's protest at a funeral anyway? That's like kicking someone when they're already down on thw ground bleeding. Christian's...I think not!
uatu2012 11 months ago
Westboro baptist church are patriotic&brave.God bless these christian soldiers.
russcd1 11 months ago
@russcd1 Im glad you think that a child abusing cult is so grand. Ill be sure to rub it in your face when these morons get there children killed in protest. Guess youve never really seen what they do to these kids...like dragging them along to these sites as people throw items at them. Wont be long before its a gun and not a cup of hot coffee.
Neesharani 11 months ago
Freedom of Speech is Freedom of speech. They are not personally "inciting" a violent reaction from the crowd/audience. They are not directing the sign at any "one" person. Not like "John the dead fag i would of shot him myself". They have every right to protest at a funeral or anywhere else. Plus in ANY national cemetery they can not protest from 1 hour before to 1 hour after the funeral.
davampchic 11 months ago
It makes me so angey when americans say "It's the first amendment" like they are the only country in the world with it. The Westbro Baptist church purposly incites hate but people say that it is "free speech" and "freedom of expression" defend them from a 200 year old law. But yet TYT will moan at Top Gear for expressing their opinion. Double standards much!
05pittsd 11 months ago
As much as id love to hurt every one of those protesters, this guy is right.
MrJordanramirez 11 months ago
The WBC is a family of lawyers. Their goal has nothing to do with religion or politics, they just want to piss people off until someone takes a swing at them, and then sue them for loads of money.
fuckisnotadirtyword 11 months ago
I like the old times, when there wasn't a commercial at the beginning and end and cenk would be in the studio
citizendieter 11 months ago
protesting at the actual funeral should come under slander in my opinion as it is damn right life ruining and disrespectful. This doesn't affect freedom of speech because their still allowed to voice their opinions, just not physically ruin some poor bastards funeral.
flangered 11 months ago
Hey the way I see it they can have their freedom of speech, then I someone has the right to punch them in the goddamn face. Expressing freedom for freedom. They are a despicable bunch but keep in mind folks, by allowing the 1st amendment right regardless of how much you dislike it, the matter exposes the "f$cking idiots" for who they really are.
yuukisama2001 11 months ago
no, they are not. we were told to love and be humble, they are doing the opposit, they desrespect our soldiers and our country. this is wrong.
marshallrobin99 11 months ago
WBC members belong in a german oven.
tommysch 11 months ago
@tommysch You mean hold them under the bedsheets while you fart under the covers?
snipzor 11 months ago
A cemetery is private property so they have never been able to protest there anyway. These people thrive on attention. Good for you for supporting the Supreme Court ruling. We have lost so much in the country over the last 100 years, what else is next?
chargermopar 11 months ago
People can be thrown out of a movie theater if they start talking or yelling out things but yet the WBC can't be thrown out of someones funeral service for mentally abusing people who only wish to bury their loved ones in peace. Freedom of speech was never meant to be used as a blanket excuse for that kind of vile action. This has gone well beyond the mere freedom of speech.> It's a criminal action by its very nature, legal or not, and thier use and excuse of religion is clearly mentally ill.
lllwindrunner 11 months ago 9
@lllwindrunner Well, they weren't on funeral grounds. They were across the street during their "protest", and I know that this is a despicable thing that they did. However, I'm not sure if I agree with it being akin to "yelling in a theater". Yelling in a theater would be similar to shouting in an airplane. Which is a confined space, but they were out in the open. Being outside doesn't count as "confined". I think that this needs to be legal, because free speech is one of the few freedoms left.
zekdom 11 months ago
@zekdom As I've stated to one other here. I think most of us would prefer to maintain an ethical and moral compus as I'm sure our founding fathers would have preferred and had intended when they wrote a constitution that was created to *allow for any important adjustments for unforeseen things*. It's better than following an old unadjusted legality right over the side of a cliff. The constitution can be adjusted without loosing the 1st amendement. We have plenty of lawyers to be sure of that.
lllwindrunner 11 months ago
@lllwindrunner "We have lawyers for that"...lol. Definitely none of them are corrupt and they have the best interests of the people at heart! Sure, and Charlie Sheen is faking a "psycho" persona. The purpose of the 1st amendment was to protect unpopular speech. Popular speech doesn't need to be protected, because of its wide acceptance. If people don't like what they hear, then they can lump it. As long as you're not in a confined area, then you have free speech. Thankfully, the WB won.
zekdom 11 months ago
@zekdom - No Thanks. As I've said before- The actions of the WBC go beyond just the freedom of speech and being the sickest kind of lawyers, the WBC lawyers can use the technicalities as it currently applies to the 1st amendment as well as freedom of religion in order to mentally abuse people grieving for those they are trying to bury. I prefer morals with wisdom over blindly following an un-adjusted legality. I highly doubt our forefathers would have not accepted this though you may.
lllwindrunner 11 months ago
@lllwindrunner I think our founding fathers would've found it disgusting, but they would've protected it. It was free speech and unpopular! That's the purpose of the 1st amendment to keep morally blind people from overturning what they said. Lots of free speech has harmed people's feelings, but it's allowed to keep whatever freedoms we have left in this country. I prefer not having my rights taken away just because someone got their feelings hurt. Freedom hurts, but it's worth it.
zekdom 11 months ago
@zekdom "but they would've protected it." I highly doubt that. Our founders valued compassion for human condition and would see we have more than just freedom of speech going on in the case of what the WBC is doing. The WBC plots to place themselves near peoples "funerals" which *mentally abuses* those in extremely great grief. In sharp contrast to that> Even here on "Youtube" so free to all, there are still YT guide-lines and TOS agreements which prohibit offensive and racist speech.
lllwindrunner 11 months ago
@zekdom So to sum up... I think our founding father would have protected our freedom of speech but would not have protected the sort of abuse of our citizens that you think they would have protected. They surely would have made the adjustment needed to the constitution and they purposely created a constitution that can be adjusted for future situations that they knew would arise. AND...This would not take away freedom of speech.
lllwindrunner 11 months ago
Typo fix> "fathers"
lllwindrunner 11 months ago
@lllwindrunner You really think that it wouldn't take away our freedom of speech? The government wants to take away our freedoms, and this would've been the stepping stone. The founding fathers would've defended this case, but not necessarily the content of the speech.
zekdom 11 months ago
@zekdom "You really think that it wouldn't take away our freedom of speech?" Certainly, since more than speech content is going on with this. Rights can be upheld that wouldn't take away freedom of speech but if you need to address true freedom of speech issues or the unethical covering up of information by government etc... that's an issue we might share some nods about. As for the WBC, it's about a technical stepping stone used to abuse citizens and that our founders would NOT have allowed.
lllwindrunner 11 months ago