March against the abusers

[AnimalMagic1]

@J801506 .. does he have the intelligence that would enable him to think of anything interesting to put? ..

[jimmyneebur]

Ah think this whole animal rights movement is actually run by the polis. They seem tae get a load of overtime out of it. Get a few students and other impressionable folk own side an ye have a campaign that geys ye hunners of overtime claims rollin in.

[AnimalMagic1]

Hey Jimmy .. you and vegandavesalterego don't seem to have anything on your profiles .. what is it exactly that you are both hiding?

[jimmyneebur]

Ma profile says it aw - voice oh the wee coonty. De ye even ken where the wee coonty is?!?! Clackmannanshire. Ah campaign fur animal rights and other issues in the wee coonty. Check oot the Alloa Advertiser fur some of ma recent campaigns against the local cooncil scandals. Ah ken yon vegandave ye mention - crackin bloke and some top videos he has pit own here. Ah widnae mind him helpin us oot up here in the wee Coonty. Whit has he tae dae wey yon vegandavesalterego yer own aboot?

[vegandavesalterego]

The wit and wisdom of Animal Magic

"I replied," Yes .. when i was one year old .. but they turned me down stating that i was too qualified!!" :):):)"

If my lawyer laughed at that joke, I'd get a new one.

As for the sergeant, he was far too professional to want to do anything to you except process the paperwork and go home. I'm sure he'd heard all the jokes before (and better ones at that).

[AnimalMagic1]

Being the idiot that you are .. you probably would get a new lawyer!!

As for the sergeant .. he clearly wasn't professional enough .. and it showed!!

I decided to make a little fun out of the situation .. and the sergeant displayed his frustration in his face ..

[AnimalMagic1]

My very experienced and professional lawyer .. who knew exactly what he was doing .. saw the funny side of the comment made .. and couldn't help but laugh!!

Unlike yourself and the sergeant .. my lawyer had a sense of humour!!

Needless to say .. my lawyer had me freed within the hour!!

[vegandavesalterego]

But what does it gain you - winding up the Police - does this advance your cause, or just give you a chance to show off in front of your lawyer .

Perhaps you could have won the sergeant over to your point of view and gained another convert, but unfortunately you missed the opportunity.

Instead he probably has told his family and friends what happened and you've lost a few more potential supporters.

Do you care about the animals or is the whole protest thing just an ego trip?

[AnimalMagic1]

It gains absolutely nothing when you are detained in the custody suite ..against your will .. when you haven't even committed a criminal act ..

I pleaded my innocence when i was brought into custody and i had evidence to prove that fact ..

The custody sergeant didn't give a shit about me .. all he wanted was a conviction ..

[AnimalMagic1]

When i engaged the services of a lawyer who had considerable expertise .. the custody sergeant saw the error of his ways .. and reluctantly released me ..

Have you ever tried talking to a person who campaigns for the wellbeing of animals?

My guess is that you haven't .. hence the stupidity that you are displaying now!!

[vegandavesalterego]

I'll ask the question another way, what are you more interested in - winding up the Police, or promoting AR?

What did the joke do for the animals? Did they laugh at it?

I don't think it's stupidity to question the effectiveness of your protest methods. Compare the progress you've made against that of the anti smoking campaign over a similar time-scale.

Ask yourself if you couldn't have achieved more and whether your confrontational approach has achieved as much you hoped it would

[AnimalMagic1]

"I'll ask the question another way, what are you more interested in - winding up the Police, or promoting AR?"

I would have thought that the answer to that question was obvious .. i promote AR ..

What did the joke do for the animals? did they laugh at it?? the stupidity of that question is laughable ..

I will say to you though .. that if some of the animals that i defend .. were in the room

[vegandavesalterego]

Promoting AR? So answer my other question, why after years of protest you've made so little progress?. Compare yourselves with the anti smoking lobby.

Is calling anyone who comments on your motives or actions "an idiot" or "stupid" going to help? This is the confrontational approach I referred to earlier.

Finally could you please explain the comment ".. that if some of the animals that i defend .. were in the room " Did having a go at the Policeman do anyhting for them?

[eachtem]

Great video, but the police have to STOP being Sherriffs of Nottingham from the movie Robin Hood. Then arrest every Elite, The royals blair, brown, and start taking an active roll for the people not the Queen. ya turf the queen's ass, and stripe all the Royal of all their assets..

[AnimalMagic1]

what a load of shit? please explain yourself!

[laservader1]

March against the abusers what abuesers?

[AnimalMagic1]

the correct spelling i do believe is abusers ..

If you want to know who the abusers are .. please read the posts already available ..

[laservader1]

so we need animal testing it saves human lives! if you were dieing of cancer u would like there to be a cure. i myself love animals but we do what we must!

[realzoomy]

What about all the cr*p that we are brainwashed into smearing all over our faces? Apparently, if we don't plaster our face with gunge and chalk like Coco the Clown we are ugly women! Most of that rubbish is tested on animals, why do we allow these morons to brainwash us?

[realzoomy]

"Are you aware of the thousands upon thousands of serious failures? "

Totally aware, but you see, it's not about curing people, is it? It's all about keeping people controlled.

We have perfectly good drugs given to us completly free from the hand of God - they are called the herbs and fruits of nature. Our food should be our medicine cupboard.

[Soulisscool]

Actually, I was telling thingy about the failures, I don't think he knows much about it.

You're right, it isn't about curing, if it was the pharmas would be putting themselves out of business.

Even after decades of curing cancer in mice they have failed to extrapolate it to humans. At least it is being recognised as bad science in some other places, if not UK.

Absolutely, they are all there for a reason, we have moved so far away from nature which is a terrible shame.

[thingy186]

If the pharmas industry created a drug that cured cancer they would make billionsby continusly selling it throughout the world. Please explain how they would put themselves out of business by creating said drug.

And were are these "other places" that you fail to get specific about that recognise animal testing as a "bad science"?

[Soulisscool]

It's ovious, if people could be cured early on they wouldnt need ongoing medicines and treatments. Education about lifestyle choices would do far more to eradicate cancers and other diseases and it's disgraceful that money is not being spent on that instead! Prevention is better than cure but it doesn't earn any money on overpriced medicines, does it? Incidentally, Don't you ask yourself why they havent found a cure after decades of so called 'research'and billions of taxpayers money?

[Soulisscool]

why they haven't found *cures...  It's all about making money from ongoing medicines....and it's not about cures. Cures & educating people on healthy lifestyle choices would put them out of business..

[Soulisscool]

There are many organisations that conduct non-animal research and they are increasing all the time. There's Dr Hadwens Trust that funds research at universites and elsewhere, Safer Medicines, Quest Cancer Research, Arthritis Research Institute of America, I've got a book full of them, all listed. Many facilities are moving away from animal testing worldwide. Do a bit of research, what I say can very easily be verified. Vivisection has been recognised as being very unreliable and it will end.

[thingy186]

Really. So the next time your seriously injured, in unberable agony and are at serious risk of death you can shun the help and substances of the paramedics and use the "herbs and fruits of nature" that "God" has supposedly given you.

Good luck and let me know how it goes.

[Soulisscool]

I would sooner trust remedies of nature than dodgy drugs any day! or drugs that have been developed using relevant non animal testing methods. Are you paying attention to the regular reports of serious side effects and fatalities? and how bad the situation really is?? Rely on them if you want but you'll need more than good luck..The figures of hospitalisations from drugs is totally unacceptable.... I believe that it costs the British Govt 2 billion per year..

[AnimalMagic1]

Well said Soulisscool ..

We do need safer medicines that aren't going to harm us .. we won't get them though .. the government is so heavily funded by the pharma' industry..

[Soulisscool]

You need to find out more about this subject.

Do you know that prescription drugs are the fourth biggest killer in the western world!

Why do you think that the scientific community say it is essential?? They are making a living from it!

Why won't the government have A Royal Commission into the validity of animal experiments in spite of being being asked repeatedly?? Are they afraid of what it will reveal to the public?

We need safer medicines that are not going to harm us .

[thingy186]

OK first off prescription drugs are a big killer mainly due to human error and diliberate misuse. Drugs that are inherently harmful make up a very small percentage of that statistic. Also what kills more than medicen? Car accidents is one and many people have been saved by procedures and medicene using animals that would have otherwise died.

Second the scientific community makes a living by the act of producing better medicens and medical procedures NOT through simply testing on animals.

[Soulisscool]

No, it isn't due to human error or deliberate misuse. Prescription drugs are, frighteningly, the fourth biggest killer in the western world because animals do not make good models for humans, there are too many differences as the catastrophic

'elephant man' trials showed. Animals consistently do not predict human reactions.

"The very idea that one species could serve as a model for a different species ignores the basic principles of biology - British Medical Journal, 18th February 2002

[thingy186]

The vast majority of human trials are successful. You can't just take the 'elephant man' trials and apply it to the whole field. Animal tests are not and were never intended to be 100% fool proof, rather to resonably determine that the drug would not damage human subjects and like I said before the vast majority are successful. There are simply no other methods that are as effective in all respects.

[Soulisscool]

I have already said that there are serious adverse reactions worldwide. The Elephant man trials was just one example. I can't possibly list them all.

I'll say again, you need to research the subject for your own sake.

[thingy186]

Third the government won't have a royal commision because the evidence of it's success is right in front of your face. Any unbias observer can see that. They are not going to waste all that time and money just so they can come to the conclusion that it is effective only for you to discard the result and say its bias which you enevitibly will. So no they are not afraid, they just know that you won't shut up whatever they do.

[Soulisscool]

Are you aware of the thousands upon thousands of serious failures? That pharmaceuticals get taken to court and are sued by thousands of people worldwide. It is reported but suppressed, for obvious reasons.

Dont you think that if the govt and pharmas thought that A Royal Commison would prove that animals were good models for humans they would break their necks to have one with the pharmas pushing them every step of the way. It is blatantly obvious why they are so reluctant to hold one!

[thingy186]

OK if there are indeed thousands of failures. That still does not match up to the millions and millions saved.

And there is evidence to show you have been misinformed or you are lying. I doubt thousands of people dying due to dangerious drugs could be kept surpressed. I mean the whole MP's expenses thing just shows that the media is not controlled by the governmet. And a story as sensational as the one your pedeling would be picked up by the news in an instant if it were indeed true.

[Soulisscool]

They said smoking didn't cause cancer after testing it on animals. How many billions got cancer & died because of relying on the animal testing?

We wouldnt have penicillin if they relied on animal testing.. and how many billions do you think would have died without it?

You need to find out the facts before you say anymore.

[thingy186]

We get penicillin from bacteria and was discovered through testing on bacteria, this constituts animal testing so I think you need to look at the facts before you say anymore. While your so ready to bash animal testing why don't you talk about alternative methods to it. Why don't you give me a list of all the medicens and medical procedures created using exclusivly non-animal testing? Simple because there are no other effective methods available.

[thingy186]

I have already answered your question on the royal commision. You complete ignoring of my responce just goes to show how hoplessly narrow minded and attached to your way of thinking you really are. I support animal testing because it improves the world by reducing suffering in the long term, You are against animal testing because you only see the immidet suffering caused, you don't look at the bigger picture and it makes you fell better about yourself because you think your on some moral high.

[Soulisscool]

I did answer you actually, but you havent said much about prescription drugs being the fourth biggest killer though. I think that is very important and definitely something to think about., don't you?

[thingy186]

Well I said that more people are killed on the roads and medicens and medical procedures developed using animals saved them. They save more people than they kill. I havent seen any statistic saying pescription drugs are the 4th biggest killer purly due to their toxicity so I'd like to know were you got it. Its really about minimalising damage rather than stopping it. There are no other readily available, cost effective and accurate methods available.

[Soulisscool]

Why should medicines kill anybody?? Would I be right in thinking that you agree that animals are different to humans? And therefore it would be fair to say that that is the reason why they react differently to drugs/treatments than humans do? Lifestyle choices would stop a lot of illnesses/diseases, so education would prevent illnesses! of course that would lose the industry billions of sales of medicines wouldn't it? Non animal testing-Dr Hadwens Trust, Safer Medicines, Quest Cancer research...

[androclestipster]

We got one closed down in New York. Very very good march. I agree wtih you totally. Only wish I could be there to march also. Thanks.

[AnimalMagic1]

It was a good march .. and well done .. you guys and gals in New York :)

[AnimalMagic1]

Lolol :):) ..

They called themself "Huntingdon Life Sciences" :) ..

There are other .. more appropriate names that describe that place better ..

[BrightLySinging4GOD]

what was HLS?

[AnimalMagic1]

lolol .. their days are numbered!!

[BrightLySinging4GOD]

if you mean the abusers yes their days are numbered God will take care of them

[AnimalMagic1]

The "brain-dead" fuckwit can't even spell medals correctly!!

[AnimalMagic1]

Don't execute the retard straight away!

Do some meaningless tests on them first .. then reward them for their suffering by executing them in a very brutal way!!

[thingy186]

Dirty, thuggish hippies like SHAC and ALF should be spat on and executed.

Heroic intelegent scientists at HLS should be given medels, money and lots of praise for their services to humanity.

[AnimalMagic1]

"Dirty, thuggish hippies like SHAC and ALF should be spat on and executed"??

Try and spit on/execute me .. you pathetic coward!!

By the way .. i aren't dirty, i aren't thuggish and i aren't a hippy!!

I dress smartly and are well educated .. unlike yourselff!!

[thingy186]

LOL I think what you ment to say is "I'm not dirty, I'm not thuggish and I'm not a hippy", and yourself has one f by the way so shut the fuck up about spelling.

I'm a pathetic coward? So I suppose terrorising defenceless people, their families and yes even their pets is not pathetic or cowardly? There are just so much more constructive things you can do to help animals other than this. So I am just assuming that the people who do this are just plain idiot thugs who just want to be violent.

[AnimalMagic1]

You think incorrectly once again!!

I meant to say ..exactly what i did say.

As for the additional f in yourselff .. it was a typing error and not a spelling mistake .. as i am sure you will have noticed!!

[AnimalMagic1]

Yes you do come across as a pathetic coward!!

"So I suppose terrorising defenceless people, their families and yes even their pets is not pathetic or cowardly?"

No it isn't pathetic or cowardly .. it is a tactic used by some people .. in the hope that those evil a???????s such as vivisectionists .. think twice about what they are doing!!

I haven't heard of any innocent person being injured as a result of an animal rights activists actions .. have you?

[AnimalMagic1]

"There are just so much more constructive things you can do to help animals other than this"??

Please feel free to surprise us by mentioning some of the constructive things that you feel .. we should be doing in order to help the poor animals..

[AnimalMagic1]

Please remember before you respond though .. we aren't just a bunch of hippies, we aren't just a bunch of thugs .. we are a vast, worldwide movement .. from all walks of life .. scientists,doctors,surgeons,la­wyers .. you name it ..

Chances are that whatever you may suggest .. will have been tried in the past/is being done today ..

[thingy186]

And finally I think the vivisectionists do know what they are doing. They are causing pain to one animal so that thousands if not millions of people as well as animals do not go through the same pain in the future.

And also if animal experimentation is so futile and so meaningless why do the vast majority of the scientific community say it is essentual to medecal progress? And if animal tests don't give good results why does the government pore millions of pounds into it each year?

[thingy186]

Constructive things you can do? Well you can campain and protest peacefully for reductions in animal testing, stricter controls so suffering is kept to a minimum and boycotting produces and componies that use animal testing. Yes I know it stinks and is a slow process but it's a little thing called DEMOCRACY! If what you want is so right and ethical and perfect then shurly people and polititions will demand changes. Just have respect for the democratic process if for nothing else.

[thingy186]

So terrorising the defencless is not pathetic or cowardly? Your denile of it's revolting nature just proves what a bunch of deluded thuggish fools you are. I am always amused how they think scientists experiment on animals because they are sadists and enjoy doing it.

"I havent heard of any innocent person being injured as a result..." Really? I have heard of innocents being injured by letter bombs and paint being thrown over pet dogs by animal rights shitheads.

[AnimalMagic1]

Shitheads?? .. so we are not just thugs,extremists,terrorists etc .. we are also shitheads now :):):)

You really do make me laugh :) ..

[Soulisscool]

methinks you read too much gutter press....The terrorists are the ones abusing helpless animals!

Watch a few videos if you have got the stomach for it and see exactly what the monsters are doing to them every single day!

[thingy186]

Again you act like these people do it for fun.

They do it because they are helping to create and perfect medicens and medical procedures stopping the suffering of millions of humans and animals.

Admit it, your argument is fundimentaly flawd.

[Soulisscool]

That is incorrect. Clearly, you do not know enough about it. Perhaps you ought to find out about all the many serious adverse reactions worldwide because of using animals as models for humans. The facts can't lie. There are too many differences and using animals has and continues to cause major problems in humans.

[thingy186]

If there are so many differences between humans and animals how come pig organs and tissue are used to replace organs and tissue in humans? And perhaps you ought to find out about all the many people and animals who suffer serious diseases and injuries worldwide who are saved by medicens and medical procedures perfected by testing on animals. Plus the number of people and animals who are saved by drugs created using animals seriously outnumber people and animals who have died because of them.

[AnimalMagic1]

A little while back .. whilst handuffed and being held in the custody suite of a "plod" hotel .. my lawyer asked me if i had ever applied to join the police ..

[AnimalMagic1]

I replied," Yes .. when i was one year old .. but they turned me down stating that i was too qualified!!" :):):)

My lawyer nearly wet himself .. laughing so much :) .. and judging by the look in the eye of the custody sergeant .. i think he wanted to try and kill me :) ..

As you will have guessed .. i didn't get the presidential suite that time :) ..

[t4705mb6]

These police thugs are nobodys. They are simply citizens who have sold their souls to the NWO for cash. Although it is true that these hired enforcers ARE imoral, traitors, greedy &, for the most part, stupid, they are still on the bottom steps of the pyramid, "Goyim".

The TRUE zionist fascist leaders are snug in their 2000 acre estates with their 40 servants, 68 bedrooms, race horse stables, private jets, limos, $4K Armani suits watching us & laughing out loud. Cut off the snakes HEAD!

[nvisionuk]

I was there and it was one of the best days of my life to date. We will win the war. CLOSE DOWN HLS!

[AnimalMagic1]

HLS - Huntingdon Life Sciences

[BigTylerAustin]

Hls?

[mitiorm]

Great video.