Direct Injection is nothing of the future..it's been around for quite a while, just used to make power. You get anywhere close to being on the throttle in this car and your figures will plummet. This engine is not revolutionary, its power is the only thing that is suprising given its cost.
I wish them luck--but turbos never last. They are too "faddish", in one year, out the next. Or take E85--what a waste that program is. I'm all for high efficiency--let's hope this one sticks.
Turbos have been succesfully employed in the trucking industry for decades, I would hardly call them "faddish". I would like to see Ford put out a small displacement turbocharged diesel version.
Without finding a way to harness larger amounts of energy from smaller amounts of fuel, like say... mixing things into the fuel to allow it to combust better or something, all we can do is find ways to redesign the shit out of engines. Direct fuel injection allow for a higher compression ratio sometimes even hitting 12:1 or 13:1. Outside of that, without switching to a different valving system or a new metal comes out or something along those lines.
Wow the americans discover a technology which has been around half a century here in Europe.
Imagine what they will discover next decennia: turbo's, variable valve timing, spring coils over shocks suspension, electronic engine management, fuel efficient semi-automatic gearboxes, etc.
This is also the same technology used in the current Audi 2.0T FSI, turbocharged and direct injected like a diesel. It might not be new technology, but I am glad to see Ford putting real effort into getting it out there. I don't quite agree with them saying it will be that much better than diesels, but it's better than their current lineup.
theres nothing innovative about that, direct injection isnt anything new, and turbochargers have been around forever. and ford thinks its special cause it used both? well most euro and japanese cars have been using smaller engines and turbocharging them to get power/ efficiency for a while
I think the US automaker's need to take a look at Revetec's new crankshaftless gas motor that uses a trilobe cam to operate the pistons. The design's already in the process of being optimized in Germany and the top chinese automakers have signed on to manufacture it for their automobiles. Projected Brake Specific Fuel Consumption is expected to reach 50% (up from 39.5 from the original testmodel, compared to 27-32% for conventional engines). We're about to get pwned by the chinese/germans.
Cool! I bet somebody already building some high performance valve phazers and some dome pistons. I would put some roller tip's on them there cam phazer's! Maybe they will be kind enough to put a good steel crank in this engine. Mod the ecm and you would have a killer v-6!
the karl benz crank and appropriate math for total number of cylinders makes it what it is supposed to be. It is the counterbalancers that are stupid. A 90degree v8 for example, can take a benz crank. manufacturing holds themselves back like a twisted undurable money sucking brotherhood against the world. Carpocalype is only the beginning. call my comment a crazy prophecy, and ignore it...
Looks like Ford's marketing department is hard at work here, using marketing lingo more than actual technical facts about this "EcoBoost" thing.
It disgusts me reading through crap like that only to find that the description of the actual "technology" is extremely vague. Nothing more than marketing techniques to sucker in the non-technical folk.
Direct injection in gasoline engines is fairly recent. Diesels have been using direct injection since the early 70's at least. This is a gasoline engine.
Mercedes Benz used direct gasoline injection in 1956-1957 in their 300-SL model. It was 'reasonably' powerful, but VERY high-maintenence due to gasoline's lack of lubricating abillity in the injection pump's close tolerances needed to pump at suficient pressure to overcome engine compression at near- TDC.
that is correct. Mitsubishi was the first to perfect the system in the early 90's but back then fuel saving verse cost meant it was a bit useless. They used to make a 3.0L GDI V6 quadcam that made 172kw... in 1992 holden werent making that power until the VE in 2006/7 and its a 3.8L
Diesels need direct injection to operate. The air is already above the ignition temp when the fuel is injected. If you inject it in a conventional manner, all you get is knock. All diesels have direct injection.
whats so inovating abaout this?? its just a direct injection engine.. this engines have been araound since the 50s at least in europe on the mercedes benz.. american fords are realy behind in technology.. must be so people waste more mony on fuel..
I don't see where you're coming from. Regardless of what Ford ever did or did not do, they always been a more fuel efficient vehicle on the whole. Direct injection is newer, though, and if it did exist in the '50s, it would have been very crude. But this video is not saying that it's so incredible, but for a visual for those who don't know much about the innards of a IC engine.
Its about time! The foreign makes have been working this technology for over 10 years and some have had it in production for over 5 years, wake up people!!!
Direct Injection is nothing of the future..it's been around for quite a while, just used to make power. You get anywhere close to being on the throttle in this car and your figures will plummet. This engine is not revolutionary, its power is the only thing that is suprising given its cost.
Sevenstringster 2 years ago 11
Nothing but garbage these engines are. You think they are awesome, then don't speak to me.
CHGMANCHG 2 years ago
Oh God I thought this was gonna be a good video....until I saw that Ford.
bobmillerbob 2 years ago
Where is the ecoboost.All i see is an advertisement for v6 DOHC..
no1saphead 2 years ago 160
I wish them luck--but turbos never last. They are too "faddish", in one year, out the next. Or take E85--what a waste that program is. I'm all for high efficiency--let's hope this one sticks.
BlakeMason2 2 years ago
Turbos have been succesfully employed in the trucking industry for decades, I would hardly call them "faddish". I would like to see Ford put out a small displacement turbocharged diesel version.
nandoGdog 2 years ago
Without finding a way to harness larger amounts of energy from smaller amounts of fuel, like say... mixing things into the fuel to allow it to combust better or something, all we can do is find ways to redesign the shit out of engines. Direct fuel injection allow for a higher compression ratio sometimes even hitting 12:1 or 13:1. Outside of that, without switching to a different valving system or a new metal comes out or something along those lines.
QuantumCarl 2 years ago
thats what hondas been doing for their engines.
youngb1ood 2 years ago
So there will be twin turbo V6s? Will these respond well to high boost?
xWeaponOfChoicex 2 years ago
Wow the americans discover a technology which has been around half a century here in Europe.
Imagine what they will discover next decennia: turbo's, variable valve timing, spring coils over shocks suspension, electronic engine management, fuel efficient semi-automatic gearboxes, etc.
Age old technology in Europe and Japan.
blork5 2 years ago 3
Americans already know about turbos.
undeadkillers 2 years ago
This is also the same technology used in the current Audi 2.0T FSI, turbocharged and direct injected like a diesel. It might not be new technology, but I am glad to see Ford putting real effort into getting it out there. I don't quite agree with them saying it will be that much better than diesels, but it's better than their current lineup.
jeepmb 2 years ago
ford's version of an "ecoboost engine" is a...standard engine? i don't see what's different on this model than any other standard v6 engine
standardwolfsburg 2 years ago
Wow!!!!!! ford has done it again!! Invented the wheel for the fiftyfive time.
Hilarius!!!
Wake up, the stoneage is over!
Bergettoken 2 years ago
theres nothing innovative about that, direct injection isnt anything new, and turbochargers have been around forever. and ford thinks its special cause it used both? well most euro and japanese cars have been using smaller engines and turbocharging them to get power/ efficiency for a while
bethehammer0 2 years ago
I think the US automaker's need to take a look at Revetec's new crankshaftless gas motor that uses a trilobe cam to operate the pistons. The design's already in the process of being optimized in Germany and the top chinese automakers have signed on to manufacture it for their automobiles. Projected Brake Specific Fuel Consumption is expected to reach 50% (up from 39.5 from the original testmodel, compared to 27-32% for conventional engines). We're about to get pwned by the chinese/germans.
PukaMan 2 years ago
Oh Ford. Welcome to a long time ago. Glad you could join us.
kickslop 2 years ago
volvo440
ahmed251071 3 years ago
Cool! I bet somebody already building some high performance valve phazers and some dome pistons. I would put some roller tip's on them there cam phazer's! Maybe they will be kind enough to put a good steel crank in this engine. Mod the ecm and you would have a killer v-6!
Abovegroundminer 3 years ago
Steel cranks are heavy and unnecessary.
QuantumCarl 2 years ago
the karl benz crank and appropriate math for total number of cylinders makes it what it is supposed to be. It is the counterbalancers that are stupid. A 90degree v8 for example, can take a benz crank. manufacturing holds themselves back like a twisted undurable money sucking brotherhood against the world. Carpocalype is only the beginning. call my comment a crazy prophecy, and ignore it...
boxer3main 2 years ago
Looks like Ford's marketing department is hard at work here, using marketing lingo more than actual technical facts about this "EcoBoost" thing.
It disgusts me reading through crap like that only to find that the description of the actual "technology" is extremely vague. Nothing more than marketing techniques to sucker in the non-technical folk.
mturgeon2 3 years ago 2
/Agreed
QuantumCarl 2 years ago
Hehe, "new". Sure it's new if you've been living under a rock for the last decades.
HB45175 3 years ago
seriously ford is always behind on technology and try to introduce old technology by marketing as new or improved and flashy with commercials
raulbarrientos007 3 years ago 51
"Ford is always behind on technology"
~raul~
What technology are the behind in?
jizzmonger 3 years ago
You mean to tell me that Honda,Nissan and Toyota offer a turbo Direct injected engine?
Please tell me what manufacture offers that engine.
cerebraldamage 2 years ago
Well, technically whoever manufactures a diesel vehicle. Which everyone does. Including the big three.
So.. yeah.
QuantumCarl 2 years ago
That's totally true, man. I agree completelly with you...
lanfras 2 years ago
Behind who on technology?
kblackav8or 2 years ago
wow - still tweaking 1880's technology. mindboggling
slh950 3 years ago
Direct injection in gasoline engines is fairly recent. Diesels have been using direct injection since the early 70's at least. This is a gasoline engine.
catsfan2008 3 years ago
Mercedes Benz used direct gasoline injection in 1956-1957 in their 300-SL model. It was 'reasonably' powerful, but VERY high-maintenence due to gasoline's lack of lubricating abillity in the injection pump's close tolerances needed to pump at suficient pressure to overcome engine compression at near- TDC.
JGMagoo 3 years ago
that is correct. Mitsubishi was the first to perfect the system in the early 90's but back then fuel saving verse cost meant it was a bit useless. They used to make a 3.0L GDI V6 quadcam that made 172kw... in 1992 holden werent making that power until the VE in 2006/7 and its a 3.8L
lynel1985 3 years ago
When you say direct injection i hope you mean without a pre-ignition chamber?
geoff390 2 years ago
Diesels need direct injection to operate. The air is already above the ignition temp when the fuel is injected. If you inject it in a conventional manner, all you get is knock. All diesels have direct injection.
turbotj99 2 years ago 2
It looks like it has variable valve timing setup on the Intake cams?
Seca600R 3 years ago
hmm.. what makes you think that? I can't see any advanced mechanics that can change valve timing on-the-fly. But at least, it should have had.
kjaks 3 years ago
is call cam phasing, not really valve timing, but cam positioning, but still closely to vvt
ariez12r 3 years ago
whats so inovating abaout this?? its just a direct injection engine.. this engines have been araound since the 50s at least in europe on the mercedes benz.. american fords are realy behind in technology.. must be so people waste more mony on fuel..
nicotrial 4 years ago
I don't see where you're coming from. Regardless of what Ford ever did or did not do, they always been a more fuel efficient vehicle on the whole. Direct injection is newer, though, and if it did exist in the '50s, it would have been very crude. But this video is not saying that it's so incredible, but for a visual for those who don't know much about the innards of a IC engine.
snerby141989 3 years ago
Also, fuel efficient on the whole? They got nothing on imports.
QuantumCarl 2 years ago
???
vipondiu 4 years ago
so wheres the sound?
mustangalex08 4 years ago 4
this is stupied
rattboyy1 4 years ago
Good stuff! It's about time. Now Bill Ford, where's my twin turbo Lincoln coupe?
Stankest 4 years ago
well there is deff no overlap :)
peejaa 4 years ago
Yeh, was gunna say that too...
milesinfront 4 years ago
Its about time! The foreign makes have been working this technology for over 10 years and some have had it in production for over 5 years, wake up people!!!
buzz851 4 years ago 2
Great stuff
coloradoblues 4 years ago