To all you people who say mike was gay and had incestous relationship with his brother, Cathy Gelfo the girl in this video was his current girlfriend, Mike's biggest fan was Cathy, you can clearly hear her voice cheering him on in the 1980 olympia, its just a shame he didnt have any kids to pass down his legacy, i also remember him doing an article about older bb'ers going to womens shows and trying to pickup in his rants in muscle magazine back in the 80s
Mike Mentzer is the biggest inspiration in my life, or on the same level of RESPECT as other bodybuilders for me..I learned so much for him..He is one of the best persons I've ever seen, wish I was already born to bodybuild in his time. Awesome.
I think you have to combine the slow and controlled motion along with heavy weights. Progressively your body will tell you when its time to add more weight.
I don't understand the Arnold vs. Mike debate...the two are built differently. With Arnold being taller of course he's going to have to do more repetitions and higher volume. If anything we could all learn a lot by combining both of their methods and using them to our advantage.
This debate about fast lifting vs slow lifting and high volume vs low volume has been going on for so long. Arnold worked out with way more volume than mentzer, and he lifted faster, and had great results, but mentzer obviously has had awesome results with his method aswell. I'm wondering if there are any actual studies on the subject from legit sources? I would love to know the actual facts. one allows more time under tension, but the other one allows more weight to be lifted and more reps
@bjtucker5 I was thinking about combining the two by starting with heavy weight and maybe "cheating a little", to then dropping the weight and doing it HIT style. or the other way around. starting with a lighter weight, doing as many reps as I can with a controlled movement, and then use some momentum on the last few reps.
@Chaaarge Cheating at the end of a strict rep set is a good way to accentuate the negative. I do it and it slays me. I follow the 8-12 rep range, 1 set and progressively add weight when I hit 12 strict reps (or more) at failure. It's proven great results. I love Mentzer, but check out others in the field of logical exercise if you haven't already: Ellington Darden, Doug McGuff, Arthur Jones (who trained the Mentzer brothers), Drew Baye, to name a few. They're sane voices in an insane world.
Mentzer is the reason why I started bodybuilding. I love his ideas and it shows us that we need to think for ourselves more. I don't know about you all but I respond much better to low volume, as opposed to that Weider bullshit..
It's actually very believable that you can make steroid-like gains on a Heavy Duty routine. Heavy Duty works but is EXTREMELY exhausting. You have to make sure you get proper nutrition and lots of rest. However, it's the most effective workout I've ever used. I make gains in WEEKS rather than months on it. But I do end up going off of it due to exhaustion. I just continue on maintenance and then go back to it when I feel replenished.
Ten people are too stupid to grasp the concept of High Intensity, Heavy Duty Bodybuilding. Ten people probably can't even read this. Mike Mentzer uber alles!
its sad that human cant gain such muscles without roids... :(... i training over 6 years meaby but my biceps is not more then 42 cm... i eat , i sleep , i changed many sistems , i used creatine , protein and many more but its all very weak.. but anyway i will not use steroids becouse of side effects.. thanks god for all what i gain with natural training.
@MrRezz0 6 years and you cant reach over 42 cm? man im all natural aswell im 20 years old, training for 1,5 years and i am at 7.1% bodyfat but my arms are 48cm, you wanna know how i got them to grow so fast? i train heavy i mena real heavy, i curl 115 lbs dumbbells in each hand for bicep
@Quote47 dont make me laught. do u know what is genetics ?. when i start in bodybuilding my arm was 27-28 cm. if your arm was in start 38-40 cm and now u have 48cm without steroids there is not big surprice. but anyway 48 cm without drugs is very rare. i dont believe guys who have 48 arm without fat and they speak that didnt used any steroids )). its funny. but i know guys who dont used steroids and have big arms like you. but they have lot of fat in their mass.
@MrRezz0 well i dont since i see my veins everywhere on my body, but tomorrow i will train with my friends and i will see if i can film some alright so you can see.
@yodaddy05 nothing i did wrong. i read all bodybuilding literature and i know about this sport too much. i just have no money to drink every day protein sheik(im from east europe) but i ate all what need to begginer. my brother started with me in bodybuilding 6 years ago. he ate much less then me but after 1-2 years any way he become more bigger and stronger becouse he have huge bones and good genetics for power sport.
Buddy, stop being influenced by bad press. So are you saying taking a shot of testosterone ethanate is worse than taking creatine and all the supplements that get processed through your liver and kidneys?
Oye ve. This video drives me crazy. Mentzer himself spoke of developing a siege mentality when performing these exercises. In my experience, HIT, and any strength training, works when you bust it like a bunch of zombies are trying to break into your house and you have only a bat. Yet these videos don't capture this mentality. Look at the seated row, for instance, in this video. You should be pulling on heavy fucking weight like it's your family hanging over a cliff.
Strange. In another video Mike says that you should not stretch before a workout. I believe that you do not need the to do that. The main thing is to warm up properly with the exercise you will do.
im 19 and it makes me laugh every time i walk into a gym and see the same ppl working the same shit, chest and bys what a joke, ppl need to do more legs!
Too bad he is using improper form for the bicep barbell curl in the beginning of clip! Elbows should always be at sides otherwise you prematurely lengthen the biceps heads when you raise your elbows upwards! Not to mention work the front delt when you are supposed to train biceps! Smart guy but not by today's standards
nothing fancy or advanced in this video, or anything else mentzer did. How is he such a "guru"? lots of guys have totally different trainig styles, and look better than him or his athletes.
Alot of pro bodybuilders have coaches that teach them how to train to maximize their genetics and drugs. Mike is different in that he taught himself through trial and error and higher education. He made his method, others did not.
I think the 4-2-4 cadence is for those first starting in H.I.T. it serves as a way to teach one perfect form so as to prevent injury and improper technique. I do H.I.T. and used to use the 4-2-4 however now i do more of a controlled but moderate rep with a good squeeze on the static.
@kravistjb I think the whole rep speed thing is a bit misleading. The only hing that matters is the removal of momentum. I think 2 seconds should do that. Some pros eg Branch Warren do their entire rep in one second. How much momentum does that involve? A nightmarish amount...that's how much!! That 'outside force' is trainsfered to the joints and conective tissues resulting in joint damage and torn muscles. Oh yes...just like what Branch has. Hmmm..........
@thomasmichael1 I agree completely, almost every pro these days likes to throw the weight around. Personally, my reps are done with a strong positive and a two second negative with a good one second static. Similar to dorian yates.
@thomasmichael1 Well thats where mike falls short due to the fact one must do a lot of fast twitch muscle fiber activation to get really huge as it is 25% larger than slow twitch tissue so a rep of 1sec up is fine.As when the weight is lifted there is little to no outside influence on free weights and your fighting gravity.Tho on the way down its a different story. XD
Going to failure seems outdated, don't see lots of BB's doing that nowadays, except periodically. But not all the time, as a must. Due to recuperation (spelling) and affecting the CNS
@m43str0s really, ever see jay cutlers video? he trains twice sometimes 3- 4 times a day. for 3 hours or more. the stoiroid use increases testosterone in the body and aids recovery they can train for longer than us non users who will suffer fro cortisol in the system after an hour which is counter productive to muscle building. train the dorian yates way 4 times a week. i'm npt codoning trainig 3 times a day just making the point that some of them do train like this
@Chad01234 everything is the same except for the following
the first routine he recommends for beginners to acclimate themselves before starting the real routine, he recommends one to do it 5 days in a row and stop for two days...then you can start regular training
the second routine is the regular training except for the HUGE difference in frequency, he recommends to do 1 workout and rest 4 days, then the next workout and so on. as you progress ADD more rest days.
Are you guys telling me that Arnold's method of training which is basically grind out 4-5 hours of weight training, 10-15 sets per body part, every day doesn't work?
Shut the fuck up and go see Arnold's photos again.
If you read Mike Mentzer's HIT publication; it states that genetics play a factor, so there are outliers like Arnold, or any top 10 bodybuilder of today, where they can train with great volume and frequency and still get great results (for Sergio Oliva... he could get huge no matter what type of routine he did). For the rest of us, hardgainers, mike's advice really hits home stressing maximum intensity and maximum recovery times. I've been getting great gains on his methods.
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@mytemoful what ruined his physique was juice!! he won about 24 shows all natural.. then when he started training for the bigger shows, he tried the sauce to gain more weight to hang with the big boys and it had very adverse effects on his organs... it wasnt due to the training technique.. and those are the words of mentzer himself from the documentary on tv!! ( the one w greg valentino)
@mytemoful where did you get this info...? That he ruined himself with crazy heavy duty.if anything should be called crazy it would be working out 3 to 4hours a day and getting no where.
Mike Mentzer was a legend he coached his methods to real body builders such as Dorian Yates and really helped the science of body building, he truly understood how the muscles worked and what is needed to get the best results from training them, his success is testament to that.
Dorian Yates taught himself. Mike Mentzer never coached Dorian, and Dorian actually gets offended when people say that because he worked out with Mike 1 time, and then rumors fluttered that Mike trained Dorian, but its false.
@mohammad112388 No man.i have watch an interview with yates that he said "high intensity training is still the best way to train".A video with dorian's training Proves that he is a heavy duty trainer,although he do more sets.But with steroids u can do more sets without onertraining yourself,right?
@bigbobabc123 Dorian, as much as i admire his physique and devotion to HIT, a devotion he had THROUGHOUT his training career, simply could not grasp the importance of recovery. he would train 2-3 days in a row!!!!!??? His explosive rep cadence was responsible for his injuries. Why 'explode' out of your weakest position in an exercise? You want to snap a piece of wood? Do it quick!! Right? Dorian could do up 6 sets per bodypart because of his compensation with drugs, its as simple as that.
@321infamous123 protein does not tell your body to gain muscle, proper exercise does. Also rest and water are more important than protein itself, look it up, muscles are more than 50% water.
@sharex16 I'm not a scientist, but I know the effects of protein and how it works; water and rest are more important, as is proper exercise I agree completely, but supplement protein better repairs the muscle fibres torn in exercise, therefore it is a shame Mentzer never engaged properly with protein because he could have been even better (X years on from his success, it has been shown that a high protein diet combined with proper exercise of course, is more beneficial...)
wats wiv all the roid talk?u get to 25 and growth hormones are low!u need extra testo so u take roids?and what?its what u want!!and at the strat of the vid
You are just mad because you don't have what it takes. I hate how losers say everyone that has a great body uses roids, jealousy envy? roids or not it is still hard as hell to get a great body, and it is possible to get in that shape naturally.
By the way if this is going to be another video where people bitch about the Mentzer brothers using steroids, im going to tell people what i always say. I could give you double what they took and give you 30 years and you still wouldnt look like them, you know why? the steroid doesnt make the athlete, it helps take it to another level. So stop bitching because you are a lazy piece of shit, and envious of their great success.
New Order, i hope you know that Ray Mentzer was among the very few who had legit 20 plus inch arms unpumped. He was also noted as THE STRONGEST bodybuilder of his day and all time. Aka he was stronger than Arnold and had bigger arms. So you should sit down and shut the fuck up.
The target is gaining the most muscle between point A to point B without gaining fat. We can train super hard and wait 2 days to train or we can work just enough intensity to grow and train nearly everyday which I find works best. 10 sets a day.
Simple research shows that Mike Mentzer used steroids... however, that is to miss the point... the target is to use the minimum amount of training whether using roids or not.
And, to clarify, when you say HIT, do you mean only Mentzer, super low volume and slow rep speed? Or can your definition of HIT also include Dorian training with moderate volume, moderate rep and set schemes, and high intensity?
that's the thing that always confused me.. how could it be "High Intensity" if it's all superslow reps and no volume??? I think he had his own thing, but named it completely wrong...
i think another definition for intensity = force per contraction and contraction frequency per minute....the longer you lift the weight for, with perfect form, the more the muscle fibres fatigue . This starts first with the slow muscle fibres, but as they fatigue the fast fibres kick in and they are also worked. So overall, you end up producing more muscular force in the repetition. This equates to a higher intensity...dunno if thats what you mean?
spade needs to listen to Greg Valantino if have a problem with who works out with what, or this is the way, your suppose to do it, whatever listen to that before you go to critisize anybody else. You F*CK"IN MO MO
I was wondering, what type of career will you be getting into when you are done with your four- year degree in exercise science? Are you looking to be a personal trainer? If you are, it would be prudent for you work on your people skills and anger issues.Calling another person names for disagreeing with you is unbecoming of a gentleman, and unproffessional. If one of your clients questions your incredible knowlege during a training session, are you going to call them 'bitches'?
Sorry Aur0rah, but this people can fail on this, or any other system. I followed Mike's videos, books, and articles to a T, and I had the biggest slide I ever had during the last 20 years. I went back to what I was dling before I tried his HIT, and I gained back 10 lbs of what I lost in 2 months. I WISHED it had worked for me - but it did not. I gave it a good try, though.
Mentzer HIT is simply NOT a good way of training. It has to be modified to include more volume, like Yates HIT training. How many bodybuilders, football players, or other thletes train like this for size? None? Thats what I thought. It doesnt work. Mentzer just represents one of the extreme poles of training, Schwarzenegger representing the opposite, extreme pole. Extreme volume vs extreme intensity. Extremes never work. Something in the middle, a good combination, usually does.
bodybuilders dont train this way because they are all on STERIODS!!! wake up !!! dammit im sick and tired of these fools beleiving muscle and foolishness...why dont you actually study research or maybe open an anatomy and physiology book and maybe you will understand HIT, FIRST of all Penn state and Michigan state Train there football team this way...
Thanks, fight4themoney. We all know bodybuilders are on steroids. Thankyou for being completely unoriginal and presumptuous for your assuptions of our ignorance. We all know what steroids do for the body, but also know that moderately- volumed weight training does stimulate more muscle growth, yet allows adequate healing without gear. And FINALLY could Penn state and Michigan state hang with even one SEC team?
yes there is no denying that any strength training will stimulate muscular growth, yet if you understand physiology you would know that there are 2 factors for muscular growth, intensity and time under tension, HIT is just a more effective way of strength training, it diminishes risk of injury, over training, the intensity exceeds HVT, and the best way to stimulate musclular growth is to go to momentary muscular failure, all can be accomplished in one set
HIT trainers are far more prone to injury than volume trainers. If you have ever studied the career of Dorian Yates, a famous HIT bodybuilder, you will learn that he severely injured himself several times because he never backed off on the heaviness of his training weights or backed down his intensity. Given, the injuries were before a contest, when his joint and muscles were frail from diet and steroids. However, nonetheless, the heavier the weight you train with, the more of a risk of injury.
You are one person. Look at the poster boy for HIT training, Dorian Yates. He was ripped muscle after muscle from lifting so intensly and heavily. HIT mandates that you use heavy weights. Heavier = more danger.
My point is that moderate volume training is more effective than pure HIT . Pure HIT doesnt allow enough reps or sets to hit the muscle from every angle. It also doesnt give a lifter the chance to use both heavy weight for working sets, and light weight for pump sets. It limits options. However, I am not a fan of pure volume training, either. Pure volume workouts are useless unless you are on spinach because intensity cant be maintained for long. A mix of the two allows for the best growth.
I agree, actually HIT trainers do as much volume as moderate volume trainers, HIT trainers would never admit to it...HIT trainers usually do 1-2 warm up sets but don't count these as working sets, so they say they only do 1 or 2 sets when in reality they did 4 sets, same as a typical moderate volume trainer.
I agree %100 with you moorigs.....just like what Dorian did....2 to 3 warm up sets and then one all out set.....He would count it as only 1 set but in reality its no different than someone pyramiding up in weight over 3 to 4 sets and counting all 3 to 4 sets....same thing just calling it something different.
...also too Dorian never trained once every 7 to 10 days...but usually 4 days a week the same as Mentzer.....training once every 7 to 10 days does absolutely nothing.....
Couldn't have said it better myself. HIT, in its absolute purest form, ONLY 1 working set, with the warm-up sets being kept to only one with very moderate weight, never happens. HIT, in reality, is just the school of thought that resists the over training caused by excessive volume. This is a good thing The average person should absolutely ignore the training split and volume Arnold did, and encourages.
That was my whole point before... Lifting incredibly heavy with rediculously high intensity, even with a warmup, does increase the chance of injury. This method is a good way to build muscle, and is very efficient, but it is also dangerous. Moderate volume with high intensity, but not absurdly high intensity, can deliver the same results without as much chance for muscle and ligament tears.
kodiak: I disagree....because HIT focuses on PERFECT FORM, the chance of injury is LESSENED. Using a 4-2-4 cadence (as a guide) will make sure there is no momentum in the lift. Lifting with momentum is what injures people. If there is momentum in the movement, it is not a HIT workout, that's the point. HIT = perfect form
Ok, perfect form is emphasized in HIT. However, perfect form, or at least great form, is emphasized in every kind of training. What kind of trainer would advocate bad form? I know Charles Glass emphasizes perfect form, and he is certainly not an HIT trainer. Secondly, doing such long counts for reps, like the 4-2-4, according to recent studies, has shown to be able to disfigure the tie- ins between the muscle belly and the attaching tendon.
Kodiak: almost ALL the pros have shitty form. Charles Glass may do perfect form, but he also overtrains as he trains pepole that are on roids. Ask his natural clients how mcuh they grow with Glass. Glass wasn't that big, and was very gifted genetically. Please site these "studies" that show HIT does that, LOL. Its already proven that momentum causes injuries
HIT is a blanket philosophy that is uncompromising. Just as in philosophy there is not one blanket theory that encompasses everything, there is none in bodybuilding. Different programs work for different people. Ronnie used ballistic rows and was the biggest man ever. Dorian used the slow and controlled HIT method. Priest uses extreme volume training. However, all of these men grew to amazing size. Does this mean the HIT is still inherently the absolute best training program?
Kodiak: yes HIT is the best for ALL bodybuilders, especially natural athletes. I trained for over 20 years following the volume method. I grew like the first 5 years, after that very little for all the hours I was putting in. Shame on me for thinking I can do the same routines as the chemically enhanced. No training theory out there addresses what we all need: recovery. Think of it this way: HIT actually PRESCRIBES the days off as part of the program, without the rest period, HIT wont work
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Woofspl 1 day ago
ha that bitch is the worst spotter iv ever seen
alicongo 4 days ago
What is the name of the song @8:00?
JohnMatrix89 1 month ago
The music is horrible, the narrator is boring. Omg i almost slit my wrists
tatsumakisempyukaku 1 month ago
To all you people who say mike was gay and had incestous relationship with his brother, Cathy Gelfo the girl in this video was his current girlfriend, Mike's biggest fan was Cathy, you can clearly hear her voice cheering him on in the 1980 olympia, its just a shame he didnt have any kids to pass down his legacy, i also remember him doing an article about older bb'ers going to womens shows and trying to pickup in his rants in muscle magazine back in the 80s
melissaveroza 2 months ago
Ray you were the MAN!
1blueeyes1980 2 months ago
Mike Mentzer is the biggest inspiration in my life, or on the same level of RESPECT as other bodybuilders for me..I learned so much for him..He is one of the best persons I've ever seen, wish I was already born to bodybuild in his time. Awesome.
mesquitadrox 3 months ago
Do you workout the whole body every workout or use a split?
hellspawnds 4 months ago
what a shame he's dead, if he was still alive he would've destroyed jay cutler
fasteasydone 4 months ago
I think you have to combine the slow and controlled motion along with heavy weights. Progressively your body will tell you when its time to add more weight.
fabien82 4 months ago
Arnold used steroids and for my oppinion mike has a better looking body he has very regular abs and good arms
ILOVEFIATBRAVA 4 months ago
I don't understand the Arnold vs. Mike debate...the two are built differently. With Arnold being taller of course he's going to have to do more repetitions and higher volume. If anything we could all learn a lot by combining both of their methods and using them to our advantage.
naked146 5 months ago
This debate about fast lifting vs slow lifting and high volume vs low volume has been going on for so long. Arnold worked out with way more volume than mentzer, and he lifted faster, and had great results, but mentzer obviously has had awesome results with his method aswell. I'm wondering if there are any actual studies on the subject from legit sources? I would love to know the actual facts. one allows more time under tension, but the other one allows more weight to be lifted and more reps
Chaaarge 5 months ago
@Chaaarge
It's hard to say more weight is being lifted if momentum, which is an outside force, is involved.
I know for a fact I had to cut my weight in half, in some cases, when I switched from HVT to HIT.
Now I can lift, in strict form and cadence, what I used lift with momentum and poor form under HVT.
I had to ask myself... Was I really "lifting" the weight before? Obviously not.
I also attained and maintain better results in 30 min a week vs. 4-5 hrs a week.
bjtucker5 4 months ago
@bjtucker5 I was thinking about combining the two by starting with heavy weight and maybe "cheating a little", to then dropping the weight and doing it HIT style. or the other way around. starting with a lighter weight, doing as many reps as I can with a controlled movement, and then use some momentum on the last few reps.
Chaaarge 4 months ago
@Chaaarge Cheating at the end of a strict rep set is a good way to accentuate the negative. I do it and it slays me. I follow the 8-12 rep range, 1 set and progressively add weight when I hit 12 strict reps (or more) at failure. It's proven great results. I love Mentzer, but check out others in the field of logical exercise if you haven't already: Ellington Darden, Doug McGuff, Arthur Jones (who trained the Mentzer brothers), Drew Baye, to name a few. They're sane voices in an insane world.
bjtucker5 4 months ago
@Chaaarge doesnt matter they both used steroids so there is no telling what their physiques would look like without them
fabien82 4 months ago
Mentzer is the reason why I started bodybuilding. I love his ideas and it shows us that we need to think for ourselves more. I don't know about you all but I respond much better to low volume, as opposed to that Weider bullshit..
SR4LosersIsMYBITCH 5 months ago 2
this video of mikes training will work most likely, but his later heavy duty program of 2 sets a week dont work for shit...tried it myself and shrunk
mountaindew207 5 months ago
Mr Mentzer is my and my several friends' master :)
szelidrocker 6 months ago
Boobies. Yaaaaay!
forevercold88 6 months ago
It's actually very believable that you can make steroid-like gains on a Heavy Duty routine. Heavy Duty works but is EXTREMELY exhausting. You have to make sure you get proper nutrition and lots of rest. However, it's the most effective workout I've ever used. I make gains in WEEKS rather than months on it. But I do end up going off of it due to exhaustion. I just continue on maintenance and then go back to it when I feel replenished.
frankz00 6 months ago
she's topless!
giugnhgbvinierngvb89 6 months ago
Ten people are too stupid to grasp the concept of High Intensity, Heavy Duty Bodybuilding. Ten people probably can't even read this. Mike Mentzer uber alles!
MikeToddOnline 7 months ago
its sad that human cant gain such muscles without roids... :(... i training over 6 years meaby but my biceps is not more then 42 cm... i eat , i sleep , i changed many sistems , i used creatine , protein and many more but its all very weak.. but anyway i will not use steroids becouse of side effects.. thanks god for all what i gain with natural training.
MrRezz0 8 months ago 10
@MrRezz0
those are still big arms compared to 90% of most ppl, just not Mr. olympia winning arms
steroidsR4fantastic 7 months ago
@MrRezz0 6 years and you cant reach over 42 cm? man im all natural aswell im 20 years old, training for 1,5 years and i am at 7.1% bodyfat but my arms are 48cm, you wanna know how i got them to grow so fast? i train heavy i mena real heavy, i curl 115 lbs dumbbells in each hand for bicep
Quote47 6 months ago
@Quote47 dont make me laught. do u know what is genetics ?. when i start in bodybuilding my arm was 27-28 cm. if your arm was in start 38-40 cm and now u have 48cm without steroids there is not big surprice. but anyway 48 cm without drugs is very rare. i dont believe guys who have 48 arm without fat and they speak that didnt used any steroids )). its funny. but i know guys who dont used steroids and have big arms like you. but they have lot of fat in their mass.
MrRezz0 6 months ago
@MrRezz0 well i dont since i see my veins everywhere on my body, but tomorrow i will train with my friends and i will see if i can film some alright so you can see.
Quote47 6 months ago
@MrRezz0 some people also have better genetics
fixitluis 4 months ago
@MrRezz0
you're doing some thing wrong
yodaddy05 3 months ago
@yodaddy05 nothing i did wrong. i read all bodybuilding literature and i know about this sport too much. i just have no money to drink every day protein sheik(im from east europe) but i ate all what need to begginer. my brother started with me in bodybuilding 6 years ago. he ate much less then me but after 1-2 years any way he become more bigger and stronger becouse he have huge bones and good genetics for power sport.
MrRezz0 3 months ago
@MrRezz0 LOL i am 16 and been training for 6 months have the same size arms as you
superchickenboy2 3 months ago
@superchickenboy2 I seriously doubt that what you have is muscle mass.
vilmkd 3 months ago
@superchickenboy2 pure size doesnt mean that you got same arms as him, because maybe your fat % is a lot bigger then his so it make your arms bigger.
shark1806 2 months ago
Buddy, stop being influenced by bad press. So are you saying taking a shot of testosterone ethanate is worse than taking creatine and all the supplements that get processed through your liver and kidneys?
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@kazap1 creatine and protein is not dangerous if you will use it with brain. it can be good for health.
MrRezz0 2 months ago
@MrRezz0
maybe your gen's aren't that good
mr420ing 4 weeks ago
@mr420ing maybe
MrRezz0 3 weeks ago
@MrRezz0 how much do u eat? how do u train?
AdR1aN43 2 weeks ago
@MrRezz0 its your genetics
BigZeb5 4 days ago
ammazza come era elastico!!
momimio 9 months ago
@steroidsR4shitheads Come on, you'd prefer my Dad!
SiggsSE 9 months ago
@steroidsR4shitheads Jealous!
SiggsSE 9 months ago
that women's shirt threw me off so much
birdman4birdlegs 9 months ago 15
Is it my imagination or is Mike's form on the nautilus pullover at 4:22 bit fast ? Was this before he developed the 4-2-4 cadence?
Agui007 10 months ago
@Agui007
yep
VoxRexVoxVeritas 9 months ago
@Agui007 Yup. that's totally right bro. :-)
kamagong78 9 months ago
Funny, in his videos with Markus Reinhardt he says that stretching is unnecessary and counterproductive. Good old Mike never stopped learning
AbsoluteZ3R0 10 months ago
6:31 derp
Nerv86 11 months ago
Oye ve. This video drives me crazy. Mentzer himself spoke of developing a siege mentality when performing these exercises. In my experience, HIT, and any strength training, works when you bust it like a bunch of zombies are trying to break into your house and you have only a bat. Yet these videos don't capture this mentality. Look at the seated row, for instance, in this video. You should be pulling on heavy fucking weight like it's your family hanging over a cliff.
RPowers45 11 months ago 3
@RPowers45 Fuck yeah i like that analogy man. Like its your family hanging over a cliff. Im going to use that to inspire me to go harder and heavier.
Diocletian09 11 months ago
Did people actually buy this stuff? Remember that whole pre_ exhaustion phase they were it to?! That was useless!!!
123danvc 11 months ago
Strange. In another video Mike says that you should not stretch before a workout. I believe that you do not need the to do that. The main thing is to warm up properly with the exercise you will do.
Starcrow999 11 months ago
@Starcrow999 Stretching is apart of warming up for an exercise.
Bodybuildinq 11 months ago
im 19 and it makes me laugh every time i walk into a gym and see the same ppl working the same shit, chest and bys what a joke, ppl need to do more legs!
loaf942 11 months ago
@loaf942 Agreed. Ther is this fuckwit in my gym with chicken legs and he only works on his biceps.
humpyhustler 11 months ago
@loaf942 And they like to wear long baggy shorts so people don't see their skinny legs and little calf muscles.
uncleavi2002 11 months ago
Too bad he is using improper form for the bicep barbell curl in the beginning of clip! Elbows should always be at sides otherwise you prematurely lengthen the biceps heads when you raise your elbows upwards! Not to mention work the front delt when you are supposed to train biceps! Smart guy but not by today's standards
nathansteiger 1 year ago
@nathansteiger
that's Ray, not mike.
yeah, i'm sure you're a gene-yazz --
DerRexMeister 11 months ago
nothing fancy or advanced in this video, or anything else mentzer did. How is he such a "guru"? lots of guys have totally different trainig styles, and look better than him or his athletes.
bodizone1 1 year ago
@bodizone1
Alot of pro bodybuilders have coaches that teach them how to train to maximize their genetics and drugs. Mike is different in that he taught himself through trial and error and higher education. He made his method, others did not.
zeemonkey187 1 year ago
@zeemonkey187 great training? the best workout? you only need one set? PLEASE! trash....pure ANABOLIC, ANABOLIC AND MORE ANABOLIC!!!
filimaykelwarnes 1 year ago
Fxxckin AWESOME
76srisri 1 year ago
I think the 4-2-4 cadence is for those first starting in H.I.T. it serves as a way to teach one perfect form so as to prevent injury and improper technique. I do H.I.T. and used to use the 4-2-4 however now i do more of a controlled but moderate rep with a good squeeze on the static.
kravistjb 1 year ago
@kravistjb I think the whole rep speed thing is a bit misleading. The only hing that matters is the removal of momentum. I think 2 seconds should do that. Some pros eg Branch Warren do their entire rep in one second. How much momentum does that involve? A nightmarish amount...that's how much!! That 'outside force' is trainsfered to the joints and conective tissues resulting in joint damage and torn muscles. Oh yes...just like what Branch has. Hmmm..........
thomasmichael1 1 year ago
@thomasmichael1 I agree completely, almost every pro these days likes to throw the weight around. Personally, my reps are done with a strong positive and a two second negative with a good one second static. Similar to dorian yates.
kravistjb 1 year ago
@thomasmichael1 Well thats where mike falls short due to the fact one must do a lot of fast twitch muscle fiber activation to get really huge as it is 25% larger than slow twitch tissue so a rep of 1sec up is fine.As when the weight is lifted there is little to no outside influence on free weights and your fighting gravity.Tho on the way down its a different story. XD
Deathninja44 1 year ago
How tall are you?
Steroids make you grow taller ?
TheLeilisa 1 year ago
isn't mike going to fast for the 4-2-4 cadence?
wolfwood8 1 year ago
Mike Mentzer changed my entire lifting philosophy of what i thought i should do and now my life and my body is better for it
sbx1088 1 year ago
Going to failure seems outdated, don't see lots of BB's doing that nowadays, except periodically. But not all the time, as a must. Due to recuperation (spelling) and affecting the CNS
hellspawnds 1 year ago
wow thats the most I've ever seen a chick deadlift
mdias5907699 1 year ago
when he does the low row, can anyone explain to me how to move back and forth like that whille doing low rows and not destroy you lower back?
thiiiisguyy 1 year ago
That girl in the stretching portion was pretty damn cute.
MetaMorphy 1 year ago
very educational video about maximising size gains
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TheLeilisa 1 year ago
i wonder if he was using steroids at the making of this video.
rneoman 1 year ago 2
@m43str0s really, ever see jay cutlers video? he trains twice sometimes 3- 4 times a day. for 3 hours or more. the stoiroid use increases testosterone in the body and aids recovery they can train for longer than us non users who will suffer fro cortisol in the system after an hour which is counter productive to muscle building. train the dorian yates way 4 times a week. i'm npt codoning trainig 3 times a day just making the point that some of them do train like this
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tkerbuster 1 year ago
Completely different advice from his final theory on bodybuilding.
Chad01234 1 year ago
@Chad01234 everything is the same except for the following
the first routine he recommends for beginners to acclimate themselves before starting the real routine, he recommends one to do it 5 days in a row and stop for two days...then you can start regular training
the second routine is the regular training except for the HUGE difference in frequency, he recommends to do 1 workout and rest 4 days, then the next workout and so on. as you progress ADD more rest days.
aquilonian 1 year ago
Heavy Duty works 100% of the time...if you're mike or rey mentzer
CutOff16 1 year ago
to each there own, if it builds muscle, it makes sense
JDilla2812 1 year ago 3
Are you guys telling me that Arnold's method of training which is basically grind out 4-5 hours of weight training, 10-15 sets per body part, every day doesn't work?
Shut the fuck up and go see Arnold's photos again.
PlancksTime 1 year ago
If you read Mike Mentzer's HIT publication; it states that genetics play a factor, so there are outliers like Arnold, or any top 10 bodybuilder of today, where they can train with great volume and frequency and still get great results (for Sergio Oliva... he could get huge no matter what type of routine he did). For the rest of us, hardgainers, mike's advice really hits home stressing maximum intensity and maximum recovery times. I've been getting great gains on his methods.
Janto001 1 year ago
@PlancksTime I am not Arnold and neither are you.
kamagong78 9 months ago
Ray and Mike look like 80's PORNSTARS with their glasses and moustaches!!! 8D
TheGreatMalefic 1 year ago 3
@TheGreatMalefic LOL!!
Hercules1ization 1 year ago
does anybody else think that mike does his reps a bit fast in the positive contraction?
TheYouth112 1 year ago
now why the hell couldnt she wear his shorts and he wear her pants.....
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MrDeca86 1 year ago
Choose an exercise,like srugs,and do it slowly,only 2-3 sets,the second and third to complete failure.Slowly and stay up like he did.ANd u tell me.
pap0279 1 year ago
@DKMurphys77 OBVIOUSLY YOU ARE A PUSSY
pioneer0094 1 year ago
Gracias muy interesante.
pAULSauce 1 year ago
are u smarter than a 5th grader?
piratelord99 1 year ago
Why does he use so many machines?
Gilligan346 1 year ago
mike mentzer actually started out good, but ruined everything with that crazy heavy duty routine.
mytemoful 1 year ago
@mytemoful what ruined his physique was juice!! he won about 24 shows all natural.. then when he started training for the bigger shows, he tried the sauce to gain more weight to hang with the big boys and it had very adverse effects on his organs... it wasnt due to the training technique.. and those are the words of mentzer himself from the documentary on tv!! ( the one w greg valentino)
dzydave0021 1 year ago
@dzydave0021 When did he start juicing?
GTXMAN 1 year ago
@mytemoful where did you get this info...? That he ruined himself with crazy heavy duty.if anything should be called crazy it would be working out 3 to 4hours a day and getting no where.
mrright911 1 year ago
I remember those shorts in the 70's and 80's
jason75 1 year ago
the man training is his brother, Ray Mentzer.
alexboris22 2 years ago
what year is this? anyone?
alexboris22 2 years ago
@alexboris22 1979
Hercules1ization 1 year ago
Artistic video.
DancerInTheHeart 2 years ago
Mike Mentzer was a legend he coached his methods to real body builders such as Dorian Yates and really helped the science of body building, he truly understood how the muscles worked and what is needed to get the best results from training them, his success is testament to that.
daltonreigns 2 years ago 47
@daltonreigns
Dorian Yates taught himself. Mike Mentzer never coached Dorian, and Dorian actually gets offended when people say that because he worked out with Mike 1 time, and then rumors fluttered that Mike trained Dorian, but its false.
mohammad112388 1 year ago
@mohammad112388 No man.i have watch an interview with yates that he said "high intensity training is still the best way to train".A video with dorian's training Proves that he is a heavy duty trainer,although he do more sets.But with steroids u can do more sets without onertraining yourself,right?
pap0279 1 year ago
@mohammad112388 Dorian Yates thanked MM after accepting the Sandow with his win at the podium.
mrright911 1 year ago
@daltonreigns dorian yates did multiple sets per bodypart and did reasonably difficult warm up sets. he also didn't do a stupid 4-2-4 cadance.
bigbobabc123 1 year ago
@bigbobabc123 Dorian, as much as i admire his physique and devotion to HIT, a devotion he had THROUGHOUT his training career, simply could not grasp the importance of recovery. he would train 2-3 days in a row!!!!!??? His explosive rep cadence was responsible for his injuries. Why 'explode' out of your weakest position in an exercise? You want to snap a piece of wood? Do it quick!! Right? Dorian could do up 6 sets per bodypart because of his compensation with drugs, its as simple as that.
thomasmichael1 1 year ago
@daltonreigns He did, however he ate a low protein diet... In my eyes his only flaw.
321infamous123 1 year ago
@321infamous123 protein does not tell your body to gain muscle, proper exercise does. Also rest and water are more important than protein itself, look it up, muscles are more than 50% water.
sharex16 11 months ago
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@sharex16 I'm not a scientist, but I know the effects of protein and how it works; water and rest are more important, as is proper exercise I agree completely, but supplement protein better repairs the muscle fibres torn in exercise, therefore it is a shame Mentzer never engaged properly with protein because he could have been even better (X years on from his success, it has been shown that a high protein diet combined with proper exercise of course, is more beneficial...)
321infamous123 11 months ago
this is like sex education
hurryingj 2 years ago 3
Classic!
crazyman1914 2 years ago 13
Those blue hotpants are very dated
rowanmcd 2 years ago 2
Mike definetely railed that chick. RIP Mike
WesMantO0th 2 years ago 4
I guess.
pablo13zero 2 years ago
wats wiv all the roid talk?u get to 25 and growth hormones are low!u need extra testo so u take roids?and what?its what u want!!and at the strat of the vid
R HER TITS(breasts) HANGIN OWT
LOL!!!!
saq270987 2 years ago 2
You are just mad because you don't have what it takes. I hate how losers say everyone that has a great body uses roids, jealousy envy? roids or not it is still hard as hell to get a great body, and it is possible to get in that shape naturally.
pablo13zero 2 years ago
By the way if this is going to be another video where people bitch about the Mentzer brothers using steroids, im going to tell people what i always say. I could give you double what they took and give you 30 years and you still wouldnt look like them, you know why? the steroid doesnt make the athlete, it helps take it to another level. So stop bitching because you are a lazy piece of shit, and envious of their great success.
BlinkBoyBrad 2 years ago
New Order, i hope you know that Ray Mentzer was among the very few who had legit 20 plus inch arms unpumped. He was also noted as THE STRONGEST bodybuilder of his day and all time. Aka he was stronger than Arnold and had bigger arms. So you should sit down and shut the fuck up.
BlinkBoyBrad 2 years ago
The target is gaining the most muscle between point A to point B without gaining fat. We can train super hard and wait 2 days to train or we can work just enough intensity to grow and train nearly everyday which I find works best. 10 sets a day.
mrwilliamwonder 2 years ago
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These guys have small frames and short arms, Milke is no Arnold!
NewOrder2013 2 years ago
Simple research shows that Mike Mentzer used steroids... however, that is to miss the point... the target is to use the minimum amount of training whether using roids or not.
pottingshedgene 2 years ago
steriods are what he did
mad1966dog 2 years ago
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HIT is shit
ElderlyRapeVictims 2 years ago
I love the chics "super hero" outfit. Especially the big, white patch on her crotch. Hilarious!
a68rebel 2 years ago
And, to clarify, when you say HIT, do you mean only Mentzer, super low volume and slow rep speed? Or can your definition of HIT also include Dorian training with moderate volume, moderate rep and set schemes, and high intensity?
KODIAK375 2 years ago
that's the thing that always confused me.. how could it be "High Intensity" if it's all superslow reps and no volume??? I think he had his own thing, but named it completely wrong...
revskull 2 years ago
Intensity and volume are correlated: more of one necessitates less of the other; so the greater the intensity, the lesser the volume, and vice versa.
XxxNuMbxxX0301 2 years ago
i think another definition for intensity = force per contraction and contraction frequency per minute....the longer you lift the weight for, with perfect form, the more the muscle fibres fatigue . This starts first with the slow muscle fibres, but as they fatigue the fast fibres kick in and they are also worked. So overall, you end up producing more muscular force in the repetition. This equates to a higher intensity...dunno if thats what you mean?
timbom3 2 years ago
Progessive poundage...
YouTubed 2 years ago
spade needs to listen to Greg Valantino if have a problem with who works out with what, or this is the way, your suppose to do it, whatever listen to that before you go to critisize anybody else. You F*CK"IN MO MO
82008607 2 years ago
thanks for adding great vid
SparksHealth 2 years ago
I was wondering, what type of career will you be getting into when you are done with your four- year degree in exercise science? Are you looking to be a personal trainer? If you are, it would be prudent for you work on your people skills and anger issues.Calling another person names for disagreeing with you is unbecoming of a gentleman, and unproffessional. If one of your clients questions your incredible knowlege during a training session, are you going to call them 'bitches'?
KODIAK375 2 years ago
Sorry Aur0rah, but this people can fail on this, or any other system. I followed Mike's videos, books, and articles to a T, and I had the biggest slide I ever had during the last 20 years. I went back to what I was dling before I tried his HIT, and I gained back 10 lbs of what I lost in 2 months. I WISHED it had worked for me - but it did not. I gave it a good try, though.
ireland70 2 years ago
She was fucking shit at deadlift, i dnt care if she was a women edit that shit out
0poIE 2 years ago
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steroidsR4losers 2 years ago
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MikeMentzerWasMental 2 years ago
Fuck You
TheHell2Come 2 years ago
Mentzer HIT is simply NOT a good way of training. It has to be modified to include more volume, like Yates HIT training. How many bodybuilders, football players, or other thletes train like this for size? None? Thats what I thought. It doesnt work. Mentzer just represents one of the extreme poles of training, Schwarzenegger representing the opposite, extreme pole. Extreme volume vs extreme intensity. Extremes never work. Something in the middle, a good combination, usually does.
KODIAK375 2 years ago
mentzer says you only need one sett too... strange.
i do NOT DOUBT i proove that its true HIT is needed. but how do you apply it? is the optimum?
all question
Aur0rah 2 years ago
bodybuilders dont train this way because they are all on STERIODS!!! wake up !!! dammit im sick and tired of these fools beleiving muscle and foolishness...why dont you actually study research or maybe open an anatomy and physiology book and maybe you will understand HIT, FIRST of all Penn state and Michigan state Train there football team this way...
fight4themoney 2 years ago
Thanks, fight4themoney. We all know bodybuilders are on steroids. Thankyou for being completely unoriginal and presumptuous for your assuptions of our ignorance. We all know what steroids do for the body, but also know that moderately- volumed weight training does stimulate more muscle growth, yet allows adequate healing without gear. And FINALLY could Penn state and Michigan state hang with even one SEC team?
KODIAK375 2 years ago
yes there is no denying that any strength training will stimulate muscular growth, yet if you understand physiology you would know that there are 2 factors for muscular growth, intensity and time under tension, HIT is just a more effective way of strength training, it diminishes risk of injury, over training, the intensity exceeds HVT, and the best way to stimulate musclular growth is to go to momentary muscular failure, all can be accomplished in one set
fight4themoney 2 years ago
HIT trainers are far more prone to injury than volume trainers. If you have ever studied the career of Dorian Yates, a famous HIT bodybuilder, you will learn that he severely injured himself several times because he never backed off on the heaviness of his training weights or backed down his intensity. Given, the injuries were before a contest, when his joint and muscles were frail from diet and steroids. However, nonetheless, the heavier the weight you train with, the more of a risk of injury.
KODIAK375 2 years ago
Quite the contary. I've never had an injury when using this method as it's safer.
Agui007 2 years ago
You are one person. Look at the poster boy for HIT training, Dorian Yates. He was ripped muscle after muscle from lifting so intensly and heavily. HIT mandates that you use heavy weights. Heavier = more danger.
KODIAK375 2 years ago
My point is that moderate volume training is more effective than pure HIT . Pure HIT doesnt allow enough reps or sets to hit the muscle from every angle. It also doesnt give a lifter the chance to use both heavy weight for working sets, and light weight for pump sets. It limits options. However, I am not a fan of pure volume training, either. Pure volume workouts are useless unless you are on spinach because intensity cant be maintained for long. A mix of the two allows for the best growth.
KODIAK375 2 years ago
I agree, actually HIT trainers do as much volume as moderate volume trainers, HIT trainers would never admit to it...HIT trainers usually do 1-2 warm up sets but don't count these as working sets, so they say they only do 1 or 2 sets when in reality they did 4 sets, same as a typical moderate volume trainer.
moorigs 2 years ago
I agree %100 with you moorigs.....just like what Dorian did....2 to 3 warm up sets and then one all out set.....He would count it as only 1 set but in reality its no different than someone pyramiding up in weight over 3 to 4 sets and counting all 3 to 4 sets....same thing just calling it something different.
spade121981 2 years ago
...also too Dorian never trained once every 7 to 10 days...but usually 4 days a week the same as Mentzer.....training once every 7 to 10 days does absolutely nothing.....
spade121981 2 years ago
Couldn't have said it better myself. HIT, in its absolute purest form, ONLY 1 working set, with the warm-up sets being kept to only one with very moderate weight, never happens. HIT, in reality, is just the school of thought that resists the over training caused by excessive volume. This is a good thing The average person should absolutely ignore the training split and volume Arnold did, and encourages.
KODIAK375 2 years ago
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82008607 2 years ago
Why don't you do 1 heavy set without warming up...
musjeu 2 years ago
If you were to just do one heavy set without warming up, it would greatly increase the chance of injury.
moorigs 2 years ago
I knew a guy in my gym who was doing HD with no warm up, he fucked up his hamstrings..
I still remember when he used to say that warming up was useless.
Battery9876 2 years ago
for sure, I have known several guys that either did no warm ups or too little warm ups and they all got injuries....
moorigs 2 years ago
That was my whole point before... Lifting incredibly heavy with rediculously high intensity, even with a warmup, does increase the chance of injury. This method is a good way to build muscle, and is very efficient, but it is also dangerous. Moderate volume with high intensity, but not absurdly high intensity, can deliver the same results without as much chance for muscle and ligament tears.
KODIAK375 2 years ago
And I agree with you.
musjeu 2 years ago
kodiak: I disagree....because HIT focuses on PERFECT FORM, the chance of injury is LESSENED. Using a 4-2-4 cadence (as a guide) will make sure there is no momentum in the lift. Lifting with momentum is what injures people. If there is momentum in the movement, it is not a HIT workout, that's the point. HIT = perfect form
pmango1000 2 years ago
Ok, perfect form is emphasized in HIT. However, perfect form, or at least great form, is emphasized in every kind of training. What kind of trainer would advocate bad form? I know Charles Glass emphasizes perfect form, and he is certainly not an HIT trainer. Secondly, doing such long counts for reps, like the 4-2-4, according to recent studies, has shown to be able to disfigure the tie- ins between the muscle belly and the attaching tendon.
KODIAK375 2 years ago
Kodiak: almost ALL the pros have shitty form. Charles Glass may do perfect form, but he also overtrains as he trains pepole that are on roids. Ask his natural clients how mcuh they grow with Glass. Glass wasn't that big, and was very gifted genetically. Please site these "studies" that show HIT does that, LOL. Its already proven that momentum causes injuries
pmango1000 2 years ago
HIT is a blanket philosophy that is uncompromising. Just as in philosophy there is not one blanket theory that encompasses everything, there is none in bodybuilding. Different programs work for different people. Ronnie used ballistic rows and was the biggest man ever. Dorian used the slow and controlled HIT method. Priest uses extreme volume training. However, all of these men grew to amazing size. Does this mean the HIT is still inherently the absolute best training program?
KODIAK375 2 years ago
Kodiak: yes HIT is the best for ALL bodybuilders, especially natural athletes. I trained for over 20 years following the volume method. I grew like the first 5 years, after that very little for all the hours I was putting in. Shame on me for thinking I can do the same routines as the chemically enhanced. No training theory out there addresses what we all need: recovery. Think of it this way: HIT actually PRESCRIBES the days off as part of the program, without the rest period, HIT wont work
pmango1000 2 years ago