Ya sorry he alone said was that "she left the dojo so she no longer trains." however u have a point, if you trained in a martial art ur whole life i would be hard to drop it completely
@bobw72 I trained with Onaga sensei from 2007-2010 while living in Okinawa. Your teacher is a great guy and has shared quite a bit with me every time we've gotten together. Stick by him and do your best to get some exposure to Onaga sensei if you get the chance. I currently live in Illinois and will soon open a dojo again now that I'm stateside. Maybe I'll see you at a gasshuku. Gambatte yo!
left the dojo... this is unfortunate because as a new student to this style of shorin ryu she was very inspirational. But i will still train hard to fully understand ti and am proud tob
@bobw72 Looks like part of your commentary got cut off. Keep in mind that there is a difference between leaving the dojo and no longer training. By the way, who is your sensei? If you don't want to air it here, you can message me privately.
@bobw72 I think Michiko sensei has no idea of what kind of reputation that she has earned. This is the last public demonstration that I saw her perform and her reasons for training are very personal. I hope to get more opportunities to train with her one day. Thanks bobw72 for your kind comments about her and the SJBK.
Beautiful. With her natural ability for this martial art combined with the fact that she is the daughter of the chief instructor of this style, Onaga Yoshimitsu, and has been trained since she could walk, it is no wonder why every single movement she makes is absolutely inspiring. She is demonstrating an exceptional skill of 'Ti', the ancient indigenous Okinawan martial art that preceded modern karate; that is why she seems to have an uncanny 'flow' in her movements. Shorinjinbukan has a firm
@Talis29 I'm glad so many of you enjoy. Other teachers within the Shinjinbukan had given me more footage of her but requested that I not share. There are other people in this organization who are very good, but none quite as gifted as her. I certainly am not.
@Jakneife It's unfortunate that you can't share, but I understand. Personally I find karate to be quite difficult, but that encourages me to work hard & train often. I think that's one of the reasons why I enjoy watching her. She's inspirational, but even with her natural talent I can see the hard work behind those movements.
I hope that she has time for herself in addition to her karate.
Whoa. She is awesome. I love to see the differences between every style. I practice Shorei Kempo and we call it Bassai Dai, its one of my favorite kata. Its really different from how we do it, but I love how sharp her movements are!
Shinjinbukan is an offshoot of Kyudokan, which is the school of Master Onaga's teacher - Yuchoku Higa. Higa Sensei was a student of Chibana but learned "ti" from Chojun Miyagi's student - Jinan Shinzato. This hip movement that is being questioned here is from the indigenous art of Okinawa. All kata should include it. Michiko's kata is flawless. She relies on the principles and concepts of her art and not on what everyone thinks they know about Karate. She is a delight to watch.
Instead of obsessing on differences in "style", perhaps it would be more constructive to examine her performance, form and content! If you still don't appreciate the quality of her Karaté - then MORE TRAINING in the hope that one day you might approach this level!
what style is this? I get really frustrated becasue this kata is in so many styles that it looks bad to anyone who does it correctly in their own style. she seems to know what she is doing, but it seems like there is too much exageration on every move and it is taking away from the kata.
Shinjinbukan is considered Kobayashi Shorin-Ryu. I don't know how much koshi Michiko sensei would use in an actual confrontation. But if you consider that her arms and legs do not make exagerated movement, perhaps she is relying on the hipwork to compensate for her small size and slight build. I've found that the timing of the hipwork for kata in the Shinjinbukan is very precise, to an annoyingly difficult degree.
some schools of shorin ryu do this. the gusukuma/chibana style tends not to. beginners often over do the hip thing, but this woman's dad teaches her to do it that way. there's apoint to it, but it can get a little excessive. she is good.
Wait, I just read your profile on YouTube a bit closer and just checked out the Masters in Motion webpage. Didn't realize you were a girl and not a guy, and beyond that, just a kid. Sorry to give you such a rough time. Good luck with your new position as an instructer and also with that 1st Dan test.
thnx... I tend to be critical of things that aren't done our way, because I understand our way and it makes sense. We're not into preforming in front of people and totally exaggerating every move. I don't think her kata is bad. It is actually very good for a black belt level, but just something in my mind doesn't think that she should be a sixth dan. Maybe a 3rd dan, but i dunno. Sorry for being so difficult. :P
Her Naihanchi looks better than this, but it still is too much show. No doubt she has power, but the right kind. I suppose there are pro's and con's. I don't know much about his history, but I've seen him and met him in real life, so I can find out about all those questions you have. My teacher is only the 57th black belt that has been tested by Yamashita. He also just got a certification of master teacher, which means he can teach and verify other teachers. He is Yamashita's best student.
You're a pretty cheeky guy, claiming that Michiko doesn't deserve her 6th Dan. Then you turn around and say that your teacher is Yamashita's best student. Among Yamashita's students, there are plenty of 6th - 8th Dan's with Kyoshi Menkyo, the teaching cert. your teacher has, who might dispute your claim.
No doubt, we have very different concepts about what constitutes a good kata. Perhaps you can enlighten me and post a vid of your teacher's Passai Dai, or any empty-hand kata.
In Re. Halo3NinjaSpartin's comment; Google Yamashita sensei's (YS) bio! YS was born in '42. He started Martial Arts in '53. Which dojo did he train at? Got his black belt in '58. Left Okinawa in '66, 8 years after getting a sho-dan (was in Grand Rapids, MI for awhile; my kobudo teacher inherited his school). Captured "All-Okinawan Free Sparring Championship" Title; when? and Where?
Later, YS tested before 84 year old Chibana (died 1 year later) and 39 year old Nakazato (already 9th Dan? Not so) in '68 for his 7th dan? So YS got his 7th Dan age 26? And he tested in mainland Jp. instead of Okinawa? What about ranks between and after?
And you question Onaga Michiko's rank? I question Yamashita's rank!
Respectfully to Mr. Jaknife. I find that many people love to dis Yamashita. If you live in Okinawa look up Master Nagazato and ask him about his student Tadashi Yamashita. I have trained many times with Yamashita and have seen his skills firsthand. I doubt he learned any of this from the back of a match cover. There are many great masters among us...and Tadashi Yamashita is one of them.
I would venture to say that Nakazato sensei would be disinterested in verifying or refuting Yashita sensie's rank to justify my curiosity. My Goju teacher went to high school with him though and did verify his reputation for being a brawler back in those days, also a good baseball player. Let's be clear; I question his lineage and not necessarily his skill, which I haven't witnessed firsthand. And I did so as a direct response to someone questioning Onaga sensei's lineage. Many thanks.
Thanks for the reply. He is a student of Nagazato and Chibana(as well as Matayoshi), so his lineage I think is not questioned, just his rise thru ranks? His weapons knowledge and skill is well documented. He is a wonderfull teacher and a good guy in contrast to his past reputation as a hothead. His departure at times from the very traditional schooling he had is what perturbs some Okinawan artists. He does stress hip movement, which your sensei has big time.
I have to say as a karateka that sensei Yamashita is very skilled. He's very good and puts a lot of concentration in speed and power.He was also Shinpo Matayoshi 's student.One of the best I've ever seen.Each sensei puts his personal influence in his style.Don't critisize other styles ...we look at the mirror instead :)
Wise words for sure. Again, to be clear, I have not criticized Yamashita Sensei's style. I believe that both Yamashita sensei and Onaga sensei train Kobayashi Shorin Ryu. Another poster had questioned Onaga Michiko's lineage and I replied by referring said poster to the dubious rank advancement in Yamashita sensei's bio. Seems to be holy ground, beyond questioning, which I don't understand. At best it's erroneous and at worst dishonest.
@Jakneife you are right..but I think that time the ranking methods hadn't formed the way japanese martial arts had. But anyway being tested by master Chibana and master Nagazato is something ;) Also sensei Yamashita 's style is now a little different from kobayashi , but not so much.(I think it's natural for the arts to change, we re humans) I 've been to his seminars many times, his karate is beautiful. Sorry for my bad english I;m from Greece !
how did she get to be a 6th Dan black belt? My sensei is taught by Yamashita once or twice a week, and he is only a fifth Dan. His kata looks waaaaayyyy better than hers. I won't go so far as to say mine looks better because I haven't seen mine, but it all looks too stiff.
Well, I can only comment on your first question. Thats because I don't know anything about your teacher. I know about Yamashita sensei though. Onaga Michiko has been training since she was very young. I haven't seen anyone pushed as hard by their teacher as she has been. I've only put three clips up of her because I don't want to pirate the "Masters Series" mentioned in my previous response. But have a look at those. I've judged peoples' rank from just one kata before too. Maybe I was wrong.
Ah, the vid was pretty washed out. My camera's blue filter needs to be adjusted, or I just need to replace it. The vid. just doesn't do justice to the live presentation. Michiko sensei does Passai Dai on the "Masters of Okinawan Karate II" video production and it is worth a look. Probably can find a pirated snippet somewhere on YouTube.
I do Kobayashi Shorin Ryu and we have Passai Sho/ Dai. Though Bushi Matsumura IS in the lineage as one of the founders we dont have any kata named after him.
I definitely will, it would be an honour to go, osu!
bobw72 1 month ago
Ya sorry he alone said was that "she left the dojo so she no longer trains." however u have a point, if you trained in a martial art ur whole life i would be hard to drop it completely
bobw72 1 month ago
@bobw72 I trained with Onaga sensei from 2007-2010 while living in Okinawa. Your teacher is a great guy and has shared quite a bit with me every time we've gotten together. Stick by him and do your best to get some exposure to Onaga sensei if you get the chance. I currently live in Illinois and will soon open a dojo again now that I'm stateside. Maybe I'll see you at a gasshuku. Gambatte yo!
Jakneife 1 month ago
Oops, student to sensei kogan
bobw72 1 month ago
Sorry I was at work. My sensei is Dr. Tim Black from the Victoria bc Canada dojo. He was sensei to sensei kogan. What dojo r u from?
bobw72 1 month ago
left the dojo... this is unfortunate because as a new student to this style of shorin ryu she was very inspirational. But i will still train hard to fully understand ti and am proud tob
bobw72 1 month ago
@bobw72 Who is your sensei?
Jakneife 1 month ago
@bobw72 Looks like part of your commentary got cut off. Keep in mind that there is a difference between leaving the dojo and no longer training. By the way, who is your sensei? If you don't want to air it here, you can message me privately.
Jakneife 1 month ago
My sensei says she doesn't train anymore and has
bobw72 1 month ago
... Now if i could only spell 'Shinjinbukan', I am sure that help as well.
bobw72 1 month ago
@bobw72 I think Michiko sensei has no idea of what kind of reputation that she has earned. This is the last public demonstration that I saw her perform and her reasons for training are very personal. I hope to get more opportunities to train with her one day. Thanks bobw72 for your kind comments about her and the SJBK.
Jakneife 1 month ago
Beautiful. With her natural ability for this martial art combined with the fact that she is the daughter of the chief instructor of this style, Onaga Yoshimitsu, and has been trained since she could walk, it is no wonder why every single movement she makes is absolutely inspiring. She is demonstrating an exceptional skill of 'Ti', the ancient indigenous Okinawan martial art that preceded modern karate; that is why she seems to have an uncanny 'flow' in her movements. Shorinjinbukan has a firm
bobw72 1 month ago
Yeah, she is kind of a gem of a discovery on YouTube. I'm glad that I bumped into videos of her, because it's great watching her perform her karate.
Talis29 8 months ago
@Talis29 I'm glad so many of you enjoy. Other teachers within the Shinjinbukan had given me more footage of her but requested that I not share. There are other people in this organization who are very good, but none quite as gifted as her. I certainly am not.
Jakneife 8 months ago
@Jakneife It's unfortunate that you can't share, but I understand. Personally I find karate to be quite difficult, but that encourages me to work hard & train often. I think that's one of the reasons why I enjoy watching her. She's inspirational, but even with her natural talent I can see the hard work behind those movements.
I hope that she has time for herself in addition to her karate.
Talis29 8 months ago
She is Oustanding! far better than a lot of the Okinawan Karate Masters that i seen before!
renbukancho 9 months ago
que saludo es?
karateivaneitor 2 years ago
これは、糸東流の松村バッサイの原型ですか？
kumakumaru123 2 years ago
Awesome perfomance . She shows the real traditional karatê . In Okinawan arts , "muchimi" is very important .
FiasaPower 2 years ago
Whoa. She is awesome. I love to see the differences between every style. I practice Shorei Kempo and we call it Bassai Dai, its one of my favorite kata. Its really different from how we do it, but I love how sharp her movements are!
JC9654 2 years ago 2
Shinjinbukan is an offshoot of Kyudokan, which is the school of Master Onaga's teacher - Yuchoku Higa. Higa Sensei was a student of Chibana but learned "ti" from Chojun Miyagi's student - Jinan Shinzato. This hip movement that is being questioned here is from the indigenous art of Okinawa. All kata should include it. Michiko's kata is flawless. She relies on the principles and concepts of her art and not on what everyone thinks they know about Karate. She is a delight to watch.
Koryuhoka 2 years ago 7
Absolutely Great!
Thanks so much for uploading!
Peekingduck 3 years ago
Instead of obsessing on differences in "style", perhaps it would be more constructive to examine her performance, form and content! If you still don't appreciate the quality of her Karaté - then MORE TRAINING in the hope that one day you might approach this level!
ranta70 3 years ago
what style is this? I get really frustrated becasue this kata is in so many styles that it looks bad to anyone who does it correctly in their own style. she seems to know what she is doing, but it seems like there is too much exageration on every move and it is taking away from the kata.
homidontpl8 3 years ago
Shinjinbukan is considered Kobayashi Shorin-Ryu. I don't know how much koshi Michiko sensei would use in an actual confrontation. But if you consider that her arms and legs do not make exagerated movement, perhaps she is relying on the hipwork to compensate for her small size and slight build. I've found that the timing of the hipwork for kata in the Shinjinbukan is very precise, to an annoyingly difficult degree.
Jakneife 3 years ago
some schools of shorin ryu do this. the gusukuma/chibana style tends not to. beginners often over do the hip thing, but this woman's dad teaches her to do it that way. there's apoint to it, but it can get a little excessive. she is good.
brucefetter 2 years ago
Wait, I just read your profile on YouTube a bit closer and just checked out the Masters in Motion webpage. Didn't realize you were a girl and not a guy, and beyond that, just a kid. Sorry to give you such a rough time. Good luck with your new position as an instructer and also with that 1st Dan test.
Jakneife 3 years ago
thnx... I tend to be critical of things that aren't done our way, because I understand our way and it makes sense. We're not into preforming in front of people and totally exaggerating every move. I don't think her kata is bad. It is actually very good for a black belt level, but just something in my mind doesn't think that she should be a sixth dan. Maybe a 3rd dan, but i dunno. Sorry for being so difficult. :P
HolyAvenger101 3 years ago
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aiko4321 2 years ago
I'm using a different computer... this is still Halo3NinjaSpartan. Maybe I'll make a vid of myself and compare.
HolyAvenger101 3 years ago
Her Naihanchi looks better than this, but it still is too much show. No doubt she has power, but the right kind. I suppose there are pro's and con's. I don't know much about his history, but I've seen him and met him in real life, so I can find out about all those questions you have. My teacher is only the 57th black belt that has been tested by Yamashita. He also just got a certification of master teacher, which means he can teach and verify other teachers. He is Yamashita's best student.
Halo3NinjaSpartan 3 years ago
You're a pretty cheeky guy, claiming that Michiko doesn't deserve her 6th Dan. Then you turn around and say that your teacher is Yamashita's best student. Among Yamashita's students, there are plenty of 6th - 8th Dan's with Kyoshi Menkyo, the teaching cert. your teacher has, who might dispute your claim.
No doubt, we have very different concepts about what constitutes a good kata. Perhaps you can enlighten me and post a vid of your teacher's Passai Dai, or any empty-hand kata.
Jakneife 3 years ago
In Re. Halo3NinjaSpartin's comment; Google Yamashita sensei's (YS) bio! YS was born in '42. He started Martial Arts in '53. Which dojo did he train at? Got his black belt in '58. Left Okinawa in '66, 8 years after getting a sho-dan (was in Grand Rapids, MI for awhile; my kobudo teacher inherited his school). Captured "All-Okinawan Free Sparring Championship" Title; when? and Where?
Jakneife 3 years ago
Later, YS tested before 84 year old Chibana (died 1 year later) and 39 year old Nakazato (already 9th Dan? Not so) in '68 for his 7th dan? So YS got his 7th Dan age 26? And he tested in mainland Jp. instead of Okinawa? What about ranks between and after?
And you question Onaga Michiko's rank? I question Yamashita's rank!
Jakneife 3 years ago
Respectfully to Mr. Jaknife. I find that many people love to dis Yamashita. If you live in Okinawa look up Master Nagazato and ask him about his student Tadashi Yamashita. I have trained many times with Yamashita and have seen his skills firsthand. I doubt he learned any of this from the back of a match cover. There are many great masters among us...and Tadashi Yamashita is one of them.
jjleonard1 2 years ago
I would venture to say that Nakazato sensei would be disinterested in verifying or refuting Yashita sensie's rank to justify my curiosity. My Goju teacher went to high school with him though and did verify his reputation for being a brawler back in those days, also a good baseball player. Let's be clear; I question his lineage and not necessarily his skill, which I haven't witnessed firsthand. And I did so as a direct response to someone questioning Onaga sensei's lineage. Many thanks.
Jakneife 2 years ago
Thanks for the reply. He is a student of Nagazato and Chibana(as well as Matayoshi), so his lineage I think is not questioned, just his rise thru ranks? His weapons knowledge and skill is well documented. He is a wonderfull teacher and a good guy in contrast to his past reputation as a hothead. His departure at times from the very traditional schooling he had is what perturbs some Okinawan artists. He does stress hip movement, which your sensei has big time.
jjleonard1 2 years ago
@Jakneife
Hi,
I have to say as a karateka that sensei Yamashita is very skilled. He's very good and puts a lot of concentration in speed and power.He was also Shinpo Matayoshi 's student.One of the best I've ever seen.Each sensei puts his personal influence in his style.Don't critisize other styles ...we look at the mirror instead :)
saligkaros 1 year ago
@saligkaros
Wise words for sure. Again, to be clear, I have not criticized Yamashita Sensei's style. I believe that both Yamashita sensei and Onaga sensei train Kobayashi Shorin Ryu. Another poster had questioned Onaga Michiko's lineage and I replied by referring said poster to the dubious rank advancement in Yamashita sensei's bio. Seems to be holy ground, beyond questioning, which I don't understand. At best it's erroneous and at worst dishonest.
Jakneife 1 year ago
@Jakneife you are right..but I think that time the ranking methods hadn't formed the way japanese martial arts had. But anyway being tested by master Chibana and master Nagazato is something ;) Also sensei Yamashita 's style is now a little different from kobayashi , but not so much.(I think it's natural for the arts to change, we re humans) I 've been to his seminars many times, his karate is beautiful. Sorry for my bad english I;m from Greece !
saligkaros 1 year ago
how did she get to be a 6th Dan black belt? My sensei is taught by Yamashita once or twice a week, and he is only a fifth Dan. His kata looks waaaaayyyy better than hers. I won't go so far as to say mine looks better because I haven't seen mine, but it all looks too stiff.
Halo3NinjaSpartan 3 years ago
Well, I can only comment on your first question. Thats because I don't know anything about your teacher. I know about Yamashita sensei though. Onaga Michiko has been training since she was very young. I haven't seen anyone pushed as hard by their teacher as she has been. I've only put three clips up of her because I don't want to pirate the "Masters Series" mentioned in my previous response. But have a look at those. I've judged peoples' rank from just one kata before too. Maybe I was wrong.
Jakneife 3 years ago
great great job! would love to see it in natural colors though ": )
HworthX51 3 years ago
Ah, the vid was pretty washed out. My camera's blue filter needs to be adjusted, or I just need to replace it. The vid. just doesn't do justice to the live presentation. Michiko sensei does Passai Dai on the "Masters of Okinawan Karate II" video production and it is worth a look. Probably can find a pirated snippet somewhere on YouTube.
Jakneife 3 years ago
right on! such a cool kata nonetheless!
HworthX51 3 years ago
I do Kobayashi Shorin Ryu and we have Passai Sho/ Dai. Though Bushi Matsumura IS in the lineage as one of the founders we dont have any kata named after him.
TonyNhollywood 3 years ago
hers is way different from mines!
hers looks like a mix of passai dai and massamaura passai to me. but its still beautiful
tutsierollpop 3 years ago
For us who do Kobayashi (Shorin) Ryu, Passai Dai is Matsumura Passai. So she s doing Matsumra Passai which they call as Passai Dai :)
aiko4321 3 years ago