@accadaccasuperstar Thank you for your VERY FLATTERING COMPLIMENT! I SINCERELY APPRECIATE IT!
NEED MONEY? Gauge sets sell very quickly at flea markets for CASH with NO QUESTIONS ASKED! Someone needing money for their day to day existence, could obtain these parts & sell them to make the financial ends meet!
Saw a set of bridge timbers before the train approaches, logs & stones jammed in the flange way at a grade crossing or a 50mm shell through the boiler at pressure. Wonderful!
I agree that it seems a very strange decision on the part of the NRM to retain Mallard as a non working exhibit; several A4's are in working order and run frequently, what is the difficulty with Mallard? I'm sure there are plenty of people who would willingly pay to ride behind it and just look at the interest in 'Tornado'!
I know I would pay. I'd even give up all my free time to help, even if it was nothing more than cleaning it before it went out. NRM policy of steaming certain locomotives doesn't seem to ring true when you start to look into it. Their reasons are not always truely valid. I'd love to see Duchess of Hamilton and Mallard side by side.... In STEAM!
'Tornado' was built on the basis of a regular small sub by a lot of people; I'd certainly contribute to get 'Mallard' back where it belongs, and so I'm sure would thousands of others. If 'Bittern" can be rebuilt on the Mid Hants why can't Mallard?
Exactly and when you have the likes of Crewe LNWR Heritage works (Pete Waterman's team) or even the chaps at Carnforth of Birmingham Tysley to name a few it is more than possible to do it. I'd certainly throw a tenner in the pot and even a regular subscription to her. I accept that timing is important but it is still a locomotive that deserves another outing.
Perfect illustration at the end of how an A4 throws it's smoke high above the engine. The streamlined Duchess class were said to have better streamlining. However, they were renowned for allowing the exhaust smoke to cling to the casing and this would often blot out the driver's view.
They were called in to use because diesels SUCK!!!! and they break down more often even though steam requires more maintenance. Who cares, they look better and sound a hell of a lot better than any button pushing diesel.
Odd that they restored her in the 80s then ran her so little.
At a talk by George Muirhead (Manager of Locomotion- the NRM's Shildon annex) the subject of returning 4468 to running order came up. His thought was there are limited opportunities and markets for steam running and, since they are already restoring 4472, the NRM would compete with itself by restoring Mallard at the same time.
The escalating cost of work on 4472 was not mentioned but must be a factor.
@littlegiant18794 Oh I thoroughly agree, but what I'm saying is that at the moment there's not much of an incentive for the NRM to let her go. And that most main line steam is geared mostly towards the nostalgia crowds anyway. I'd love to see it run myself (I mean most of the original is probably gone anyway) but to persuade the NRM someone needs to come up with a master plan.
apparently according to wikipedia it says that mallard is unlikely to return to service as there are other A4s are steamable. Do they not realise mallard is a duck and you cant cage a duck it neds to spread its wings
An because they want to keep most of the original parts, unlike the flying scotsman which has used 4 boilers, two from its sisters and one from a A4 and its original.
@dmanlewis bloody ridiculous. Who gives a f*ck if her cylinders are new and she has a different boiler. No-one except extreme nerds are going to care, certainly not the public who just want to see her steaming by on the mainline
@littlegiant18794 I am with you, I would love to see it steam but I doubt it will soon, NRM has apparently said that they wont have anymore loans for 2 years.
I love their staff. Each one has a slightly different reason for why it won't steam. Well then if it won't be for two years to get a loan it could still be done for it to run side by side with Scotsman then ;-)
LNER get together at NYMR and GCR with their teaks and double track respectively. How mouth watering is that?
And just what parts are original? The boiler during its working life won't be the same. The tender came from a sister locomotive during its life. The side valences had to be made to fit her as the originals were removed for maintenance purposes. This is the same argument I have with the staff at NRM everytime I go in there. Love winding them up!
Yep, the Mallard (and her sisters) were all designed by the same guy - you could say these A4 class locos were the "next-gen" of the Flying Scotsman-types (A1 and A3 class)...
@EastMidlandsSteam They are not actually. The only differences are the streamlined casing (obviously), different cylinders and a higher boiler pressure (A3 220psi, A4 250psi). The A4s are effectively streamlined A3s, just like the V2 is effectively an A3 with just 2 leading wheels, not four, and smaller driving wheels (6ft2 not 6ft8)
They are two different classes agreed. The A4s were the continous development of the A3. They have been known to be called a Super A3. A few other changes too.
Fourth. How would it look to the museum if their visitors were advertised that mallard was there, and then wasn't?
"Hi dad, did you see mallard?"
"Afraid not, it was on a charter train to Newcastle."
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see that loco in steam, and I'm sure that it can be restored without losing millions of old parts if the people doing it are clever about it.
I think to get this engine out again, someone needs to think of a really smart idea.....
Well NRM would be wise to advertise the fact that it wouldn't be there with a daily up date on its website for people to see. And if it kept up signs saying that it wouldn't always be there then no-one could really complain if they turned up without checking first. Alot of lines say that if you want to see something running. Phone first to check.
Certainly a valid point though isn't the same going to happen to FS?
First, there's 2 or 3 A4 pacifics already running (one is a record breaker itself) so there's no real need to get another one out.
Second, they're already spending money on Flying Scotsman so they can't really afford it now.
Third, what's going to get them more money? Visitors flocking in to see it in the museum, or a few railfans paying for a railtour, and them earning only half of the money they spent on getting it running again.
@390904902 you're saying that the fastest steam locomotive in the whole world, one of the most famous trains ever, one which children all over the world who first hear about steam trains will long to see, does not deserve to be restored to run on the mainline pulling expresses like she was designed to do? I'm sure every single person in this country who reads steam railway magazine would be willing to give a fiver to the cause. We need our record breaker back in action
They no longer charge entry unless it is a special do on. So they only get a certain amount of money allocated to them. The money they could potentially earn would be more than what would be spent. As much as I am not a big fan of Tornado you have to admire they way they have done it and what they have achieved. Also if you consider donations etc, the money spent would not necessarily have been NRM's to begin with.
Mallard probably could steam again, (the original bits might be in better condition than you'd think) but at the moment there's not enough reasons to do so.
mallard hasnt steamed for 20 years. DO THE NRM NOT THINK THAT AS THE FASTEST STEAM LOCOMOTIVE IN THE WORLD SHE DESERVES MORE THAN BEING STUFFED IN A STUPID BUILDING IN SOME CITY IN NORTH ENGLAND? SHE SHOULD BE ON THE MAINLINE WHERE SHE JOLLY WELL BELONGS
@littlegiant18794 I even have my doubts that The Flying Scotsman will return to steam. The NRM just hasn't got the funds. Mallard needs a full ground up rebuild which will cost millions. Its doomed to be stuffed in that shed in York forever sadly.
I reckon FS will return to steam. Not if but when. Even if it takes along time it will happen. As for Mallard. She was given an overhaul and then run for a limited period. She was reliable then when she came off tours. She has just had a brief inspection this year as she was towed to Shildon. That meant axlebox check and lubrication check. Tornado towed her. I believe it would cost a lot less than FS total repair build. Alot less.
I totally agree with you there. Am sure the NRM will ban me eventually because each time I go in there I always ask the same question, "When will she steam?"
And each time I get an answer that shows just how little they understand about things mechanical! Would love to do there job!
I think she deserves to be out and about on the Main Line, as well as visiting other places too. Mallard and a train of LNER Teak coaches for example?
@littlegiant18794 I agree, the most famous locomotive there is; several A4's running today on the mainline, why isn't this one out there earning revenue from the thousands that would pay to go on a train pulled by this engine?
@littlegiant18794 How condescending. The north invented steam trains, along with mains electricity and electric lights. Where better for the train to be based. But I agree she should be out on the tracks. There's nowhere in the south that has any claim on her.
@cageordie If she returned to steam there would be no reason why she shouldn't visit lines in the south, Particularly the Severn Valley which has a fantastic rake of Teak Coaches, but its base should be in the North, like York or the Moors line, provided they could learn not to break an engine :P
@littlegiant18794 its all ecconamy mate, plus there are engines that havent steamed for even longer than mallard, the little 2-2-4T "Aerolite" hasnt steamed for over 70 years, that cant be good for the boiler
@littlegiant18794 mallard in york nrm have not steamed since the 60s and its no longer at york it was moved to county durham a few weeks ago tows to another musiam by a diesel that is the closest she will ever come to steaming again sad realy what a train to see in action
@littlegiant18794 I entirely agree; the most famous steam loco there is and it's a static example in a museum; other A4's are running, so why not Mallard?
@JimTLonW6 i saw in a DVD that they want to preserve the original metals in Mallard, but that is a shit reason, we can operate OTHER steam trains that have done things similar to Mallard, but not speed, so they over in Britian are PATHETIC!!!
@littlegiant18794 Many reasons. Mallard has valence's, making access to the driving wheels near to impossible. The smokebox has a few cracks, and the driving wheels also have cracks. Wheels could be sourced from a Gresley Pacific.
@3801Catcher Have you not Seen 60019 Bittern rebuilt in LNER Garter Blue WITH VALENCES for another 3 YEARS on the mainline? Valences are no issue. With the patterns for Tornado's wheels, which are the same diameter and spoke number, new ones could easily be manufactured, as could a new smokebox. Tornado has proved that all aspects of locomotive construction are possible, and there is no reason that a British steam loco should not run again
I agree with you eastmidlandssteam about mallard but also its just 70013 isnt the only BR standard 7P in preservation there is 70000 Britannia as well under overhaul at LNWR Heritage Crewe for owner Jeremy Hosking.
@and60007 70013 has been returned to steam because she is a celebrity engine, she has achieved something unique. 4468 has done the same, but is much more famous. Many of her parts are in quite good nick, with the support Oliver Cromwell got, I reckon a steam railway appeal could see the A4 back in action in 5 years, which she deserves
if nswgr 3801 mallard and 4472 all had a time run on the naalaborplan in wa who do u thing would win? 38s have 245PSI the A4 has 250 psi and the 4472 has a 180 psi who would win i think 3801 the 38 can carrie more coal and water
@theshedrailway the A3s have 220psi boilers actually. and a time run would have nothing to do with how much coal and water an engine can carry, it would be about power and aerodynamic properties, of which the latter would certainly see the record breaking A4 come out on top
excellent video shame Mallard isnt running on the mainline where she belongs along with gresley, union and bittern. I dont like it at NRM stuffed and mounted get steam railway to a return to steam appeal for her
Steam railway launched the appeal for 70013, Thats purely because 70013 is the only one left in its class...THERE 3 WORKING A4's CURRENTLY!!! 3 out of 6 working... Better than none aint it? Theres nothing much special about 60022 anyway, She broke the record..Nearly causing a mass accident in the running aswell.
It wasn't the cylinder linings that were ripped. It was the big end bearing on the middle cylinder. Basically, when J. Duddington was given the advice to slow down for a speed restriction he did so. It is reckoned the regulator was shut fully so no steam entered the cylinders. The steam would usually cushion the piston at the end of its stroke. No steam, no cushion. All the force was then on the bearing, hence it got hot and melted.
Got to love those Mallards. Only thing close to 'em in the US were the Southern Pacific streamlined Coast Daylights. But the Mallards were the true speed demons.
@bwarrrrk actually it wasn't. 3440 is one of few locomotives to have topped the 100mph mark with plenty of steam to spare and arrive mechanically sound at her destination. Silver Link is another example, a credit to their designer's engineering technology
all a4s are true british enginering we need more people like stephson and brunel to step up to the plate but sadly its dying slowly. as for you americans and that romanian pleas get a life. apretiate it not insult it. why watch the video if your going to insult it. you live in shacks and steam is a teachnology you can only dream of
@xtmxst The problem isn't that people lack the interest to be engineers, it is that the UK will not back British engineers. My last UK job was on the BOWMAN radio system network infrastructure. Despite having the best technical solution the UK government bought a Canadian system. So I emigrated to the US.
no they do not and no i will not suck your cock you perverted pedo british is England, Wales, Scotland and northern ireland the american ones look like they will fuck with you these are nice so piss of poor, romanian or american, pedo, perverted, old sod 70 year olds should never be on youtube
@Dodo9655 USA locos look vulgar. They have all their shitty motion exposed, they look like they were designed by apes! How can you say that an A4 looks shit?
I find it hilarious that you keep on downgrading the American Steam locomotives by just their looks and not their performances. There is this motto called "Don't judge a book by it's cover." You ever heard of that?
@Dodo9655 How can you say it looks shit? It's one of the most elegant pieces of engineering in the world. Have you seen the American S160s? They're ugly brutes, not beautiful streaks like Gresley's A4s or Bulleid's Pacifics
Because there were 35 built, 4469 was bamaged in the war and withdrawn, leaving 34 to BR Ownership. The LNER renumbered them all 1 to 34 and BR added 60000, hence Mallard went from 4468 to 22 to 60022 4498 you refer to is Sir Nigel Gresley also know as 60007.
@54687y would cost too much tho. plus it's a gift from the UK for the assistance the countries gave them in the wars, and they are also tributes. Dwight D Eisenhower (or Dwight designer as I called him!) was a brilliant american war general, and without the Dominion of Canada Britain may well have lost the war.
I remember when Dr. Marchington was looking at getting an A4 to pair with FS. He did look at repatriating one of the two. He was offered Dwight D Eisenhower but it was the total cost including shipping that, apparently put him off buying it. The engine price wasn't too extreme, He later bought Bittern then things didn't go smoothly with FS. He sold Bittern to keep FS running before finally selling FS.
its amazing that the nrm have to spend a fortune to get that overated train ,the flying scotsman going but wont even consider getting mallard up and running.they realy arent proper custodians of our heritage.
because they know they will find problems in mallard no point stripping 60022 down if shes never going to work again anyway.But mallard is the NRM's main challenge
Mallard is in as origional condition as possible, when it was run last time it was carfully managed for a limited amount of steamings. To do it now with the current rules, it would be ruined and nothing would be origional anymore. As for Flying Scotsman, they don't care, they will do what ever it takes to get her running. I would love to see Mallard back out, but with 3 more running in the UK why bother!
You could argue the case that those three will need overhauling at some point UoSA 1st SNG then Bittern. Hopefully they'll over lap at some point so why not Mallard in steam? As for originality lets not forget how many times these locos would of been serviced and overhauled? There would of been many component changes over the years. Yes she was carefully managed for a limited amount of runs but she still ran a few extra.
Plus the fact that she would still of needed attention to all the motion, valves etc. She proved reliable and because of her limited working I would easily bet that to return her to steam would be LESS than FS. FS really was worked into the ground and I applaud NRM for taking their time to make sure everything is as perfect as possible before she runs again. With Chris Beet in charge she's in excellent hands. Look at how well Leander runs!
@bittenof The Flying Scotsman is an international symbol of steam locomotives. It's probably one of the most popular creations of all time, and if it was running it would probably do a similar job to what Tornado is doing, attracting the public to Steam. Many more people would pay to have a trip on the A3 than say, a Black 5, because the A3 is more famous, and this extra money can be used to bring the A4 back. Plus the A3 is unique, whereas there are already 3 A4s running
You'll find that's probably the heat from the shovel coming into contact with a bit of steam that's in the tender from the fireman hosing the coal down with the deckhose, or whatever It's called in th UK haha.
Love to go and see the A4's one day. It'd be interesting to compare a NSWGR C38 Pacific like 3801 against an A4 in terms of grade climbing ability, raw speed etc.
thanks for telling me, i thought it cought before it went in. im in america and we have few hand stoked steam engions. the challenger was fed by a screw coming from the tender to the fire box so thats why ive never seen it.
AFAIK, all the A4s were built with the valances - they were part of the streamlining. They were removed during the war because they interfered with maintenance, and every locomotive was needed full-time. Only Mallard was given them back for preservation.
I remember the A4s running through Monifieth on the Aberdeen line in the mid 60s... the elevated railway line runs beside the road on one of the routes I took to school - fantastic for a wee boy of 10 or so. The only name I remember seeing is Union of South Africa.
No, 2509 Silver Link was scrapped. For the anniversery they made Bittern look like Silver Link, but now Bittern is back to black and green, no valances, and double chimney (Silver Link had single chimney & side valances)
I have to admit, I am an American Railfan that does not really like British or European Railways, however, I do have to admit that the A4's are nice lookin steamers. Glad several were saved. On our side of the pond, several Famouse steam locomotives were scrapped, Like NYC 4-6-4's and4-8-4's, hudsons and Niagra's
Gotta love 1:33 Beautiful
Harry244ful 3 months ago
I want to buy this DVD. How much is it and where can I buy it. The link has no sales on it.
BenReillyUK 4 months ago
If she could run in the late 80s, why not rebuild her and run her again?! Who's with me?
crazyracer12 5 months ago
@crazyracer12. I'm with you. We need a new A4 boilber for Mallard. We should make a campaign! Who's with me?
scotsman125 5 months ago
Excellent loco!
BritishRailways60163 6 months ago
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BritishRailways60163 7 months ago
Glad to know those clunkers are not operating any longer! Now it is time to send them to the scrapper for the coup de gras!
Junk the steam locomotives!
Cockroach2008 7 months ago
@Cockroach2008 loooool fail.
accadaccasuperstar 7 months ago
@accadaccasuperstar Thank you for your VERY FLATTERING COMPLIMENT! I SINCERELY APPRECIATE IT!
NEED MONEY? Gauge sets sell very quickly at flea markets for CASH with NO QUESTIONS ASKED! Someone needing money for their day to day existence, could obtain these parts & sell them to make the financial ends meet!
Saw a set of bridge timbers before the train approaches, logs & stones jammed in the flange way at a grade crossing or a 50mm shell through the boiler at pressure. Wonderful!
Cockroach2008 7 months ago
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@Cockroach2008 you really are a retard!
accadaccasuperstar 7 months ago
@Cockroach2008
Apt name youve got.
BenReillyUK 4 months ago
@BenReillyUK Delighted you like it! I sincerely appreciate your input!
Now, it is on to have all the remaining steam locomotives junked, scrapped, cut apart & melted.
Those parts sell VERY QUICKLY on the black market. CASH with NO QUESTIONS ASKED!
Cockroach2008 4 months ago
@Cockroach2008
You can't be serious!
BenReillyUK 4 months ago
@BenReillyUK Yes, I am! These parts will sell well on the black market!
Cockroach2008 4 months ago
PLEASE BRING BACK THE MALLARD!!!!
brianfalzon92 8 months ago 10
What kind of music is that at the start?
brianfalzon92 8 months ago
@littlegiant17894 Thinking about it your right you know here in the north east we
just about invented everything !!
talbotvanman 11 months ago
0:22 seconds, those animals got the piss scared out of them by that engine stomping by. Laf.
Politcalamity 1 year ago
Now that is an engine that should do excursion runs several times a year.
nicholassmth1 1 year ago
I know that Mallard hasn't steamed up for years but I hope that one day she'll run again!
falzonbr 1 year ago 7
Yes. The coal catch to firebox, Nardp96.
scotsman125 1 year ago
Bittern is alive and well now at MHR. Been on the footplate. Bloody Brilliant to see her in steam
Gibbymyson 1 year ago
It's quite mesmerising to see some of the old A4s which no longer exist (Like Falcon and Dominion of New Zealand) operating here.
RobotwarsKing 1 year ago
Very evocative vid of these superb locos.
I agree that it seems a very strange decision on the part of the NRM to retain Mallard as a non working exhibit; several A4's are in working order and run frequently, what is the difficulty with Mallard? I'm sure there are plenty of people who would willingly pay to ride behind it and just look at the interest in 'Tornado'!
JimTLonW6 1 year ago
@JimTLonW6
I know I would pay. I'd even give up all my free time to help, even if it was nothing more than cleaning it before it went out. NRM policy of steaming certain locomotives doesn't seem to ring true when you start to look into it. Their reasons are not always truely valid. I'd love to see Duchess of Hamilton and Mallard side by side.... In STEAM!
TTTEFanNo22 1 year ago
@TTTEFanNo22 Thanks!
'Tornado' was built on the basis of a regular small sub by a lot of people; I'd certainly contribute to get 'Mallard' back where it belongs, and so I'm sure would thousands of others. If 'Bittern" can be rebuilt on the Mid Hants why can't Mallard?
JimTLonW6 1 year ago
@JimTLonW6
Exactly and when you have the likes of Crewe LNWR Heritage works (Pete Waterman's team) or even the chaps at Carnforth of Birmingham Tysley to name a few it is more than possible to do it. I'd certainly throw a tenner in the pot and even a regular subscription to her. I accept that timing is important but it is still a locomotive that deserves another outing.
TTTEFanNo22 1 year ago
Ok, i love how these people manage to make trains sound dull on these DVD's.... as well as the cheesy music. :/
dankerthanclanker 1 year ago
Perfect illustration at the end of how an A4 throws it's smoke high above the engine. The streamlined Duchess class were said to have better streamlining. However, they were renowned for allowing the exhaust smoke to cling to the casing and this would often blot out the driver's view.
spitfireJEJ 1 year ago
Super!
I love this Locomotive.
Thank you.
luciferbln 1 year ago
They were called in to use because diesels SUCK!!!! and they break down more often even though steam requires more maintenance. Who cares, they look better and sound a hell of a lot better than any button pushing diesel.
speediracer4 1 year ago
Odd that they restored her in the 80s then ran her so little.
At a talk by George Muirhead (Manager of Locomotion- the NRM's Shildon annex) the subject of returning 4468 to running order came up. His thought was there are limited opportunities and markets for steam running and, since they are already restoring 4472, the NRM would compete with itself by restoring Mallard at the same time.
The escalating cost of work on 4472 was not mentioned but must be a factor.
TimRuffle 1 year ago
why have silly music ... u shld have the noise of the engine.
richardyingren 1 year ago
@richardyingren
Completely agree. I know music sets the scene but it should be kept to intros and end credits when it comes to documentaries etc.
I'm trying to listen to sound and also commentary and can't hear a thing because of the dodgy music :-(
TTTEFanNo22 1 year ago
What? "Dominion of Canada" is here in Canada? Where?
clusterfak 1 year ago
@clusterfak Im pretty sure its in Canada but I don't know where! I have a funny feeling its in BC? :-P
draculapw 1 year ago
@draculapw I think it's in Montreal or somewhere like that
littlegiant18794 1 year ago
@littlegiant18794 Oh I thoroughly agree, but what I'm saying is that at the moment there's not much of an incentive for the NRM to let her go. And that most main line steam is geared mostly towards the nostalgia crowds anyway. I'd love to see it run myself (I mean most of the original is probably gone anyway) but to persuade the NRM someone needs to come up with a master plan.
And I have an idea...
390904902 1 year ago
@390904902 reveal al then...
littlegiant18794 1 year ago
@390904902
Please do reveal all!!!
You have a definite supporter in me and some of my friends too!
TTTEFanNo22 1 year ago
@draculapw i heard it was in canada. plainly it should be here running special trains on the mainline :-D
bwarrrrk 1 year ago
@clusterfak
Canadian Railroad Museum, Quebec nr Montreal. She is alongside, or was another British locomotive, A1, Stroudley, Terrier tank engine 0-6-0T Waddon
TTTEFanNo22 1 year ago
apparently according to wikipedia it says that mallard is unlikely to return to service as there are other A4s are steamable. Do they not realise mallard is a duck and you cant cage a duck it neds to spread its wings
potterxt600ttr250c90 1 year ago
@potterxt600ttr250c90
An because they want to keep most of the original parts, unlike the flying scotsman which has used 4 boilers, two from its sisters and one from a A4 and its original.
dmanlewis 1 year ago
@dmanlewis bloody ridiculous. Who gives a f*ck if her cylinders are new and she has a different boiler. No-one except extreme nerds are going to care, certainly not the public who just want to see her steaming by on the mainline
littlegiant18794 1 year ago
@littlegiant18794 I am with you, I would love to see it steam but I doubt it will soon, NRM has apparently said that they wont have anymore loans for 2 years.
dmanlewis 1 year ago
@dmanlewis
I love their staff. Each one has a slightly different reason for why it won't steam. Well then if it won't be for two years to get a loan it could still be done for it to run side by side with Scotsman then ;-)
LNER get together at NYMR and GCR with their teaks and double track respectively. How mouth watering is that?
TTTEFanNo22 1 year ago
@dmanlewis
And just what parts are original? The boiler during its working life won't be the same. The tender came from a sister locomotive during its life. The side valences had to be made to fit her as the originals were removed for maintenance purposes. This is the same argument I have with the staff at NRM everytime I go in there. Love winding them up!
TTTEFanNo22 1 year ago
Amazing locomotive.
stepheng1483 1 year ago
Mallard should be restored do you all think so? I hope Mallard and Flying Scottsman can doublehead one day.
trainmanjg611 2 years ago
Is the Mallard and Flying Scottsman related?
trainmanjg611 2 years ago
yeah
AJZ2051jpm 1 year ago
Yep, the Mallard (and her sisters) were all designed by the same guy - you could say these A4 class locos were the "next-gen" of the Flying Scotsman-types (A1 and A3 class)...
daedalus2097 1 year ago
no they aint dumb ass they're completley different class of locomotives!
EastMidlandsSteam 1 year ago
i said that because sir nigel gresley designed both of them.
AJZ2051jpm 1 year ago
@EastMidlandsSteam They are not actually. The only differences are the streamlined casing (obviously), different cylinders and a higher boiler pressure (A3 220psi, A4 250psi). The A4s are effectively streamlined A3s, just like the V2 is effectively an A3 with just 2 leading wheels, not four, and smaller driving wheels (6ft2 not 6ft8)
littlegiant18794 1 year ago
No they're 2 different class's! Both locos are carrying there pre-war numbers and they're both built by gresley lol but no way are they similar!
EastMidlandsSteam 1 year ago
@EastMidlandsSteam
They are two different classes agreed. The A4s were the continous development of the A3. They have been known to be called a Super A3. A few other changes too.
TTTEFanNo22 1 year ago
Designed by the Same Person.
falcons1988 1 year ago
What a superlative sight these locomotives made (and continue to make today!)
JimTLonW6 2 years ago
Fourth. How would it look to the museum if their visitors were advertised that mallard was there, and then wasn't?
"Hi dad, did you see mallard?"
"Afraid not, it was on a charter train to Newcastle."
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see that loco in steam, and I'm sure that it can be restored without losing millions of old parts if the people doing it are clever about it.
I think to get this engine out again, someone needs to think of a really smart idea.....
390904902 2 years ago
Well its going to shildon in june so it wont be at york
EastMidlandsSteam 1 year ago
yes it is near my grandmas house...(no:60163 tornado will pull it there!
gresleya3kid 1 year ago
@EastMidlandsSteam I remember a video I had as a kid. It was called Mallard the drake and it was a great documentary. Shame its not on Youtube.
It came in a box set of three with another called the Great western experience and another which I cant remember.
draculapw 1 year ago
@390904902
Well NRM would be wise to advertise the fact that it wouldn't be there with a daily up date on its website for people to see. And if it kept up signs saying that it wouldn't always be there then no-one could really complain if they turned up without checking first. Alot of lines say that if you want to see something running. Phone first to check.
Certainly a valid point though isn't the same going to happen to FS?
TTTEFanNo22 1 year ago
First, there's 2 or 3 A4 pacifics already running (one is a record breaker itself) so there's no real need to get another one out.
Second, they're already spending money on Flying Scotsman so they can't really afford it now.
Third, what's going to get them more money? Visitors flocking in to see it in the museum, or a few railfans paying for a railtour, and them earning only half of the money they spent on getting it running again.
390904902 2 years ago
@390904902 you're saying that the fastest steam locomotive in the whole world, one of the most famous trains ever, one which children all over the world who first hear about steam trains will long to see, does not deserve to be restored to run on the mainline pulling expresses like she was designed to do? I'm sure every single person in this country who reads steam railway magazine would be willing to give a fiver to the cause. We need our record breaker back in action
littlegiant18794 1 year ago
@390904902
They no longer charge entry unless it is a special do on. So they only get a certain amount of money allocated to them. The money they could potentially earn would be more than what would be spent. As much as I am not a big fan of Tornado you have to admire they way they have done it and what they have achieved. Also if you consider donations etc, the money spent would not necessarily have been NRM's to begin with.
TTTEFanNo22 1 year ago
Mallard probably could steam again, (the original bits might be in better condition than you'd think) but at the moment there's not enough reasons to do so.
390904902 2 years ago
anyone know what the music is called at the start of this video?
lnerA4sng 2 years ago 3
My1st av Flying Scottsman
2nd A4
3rd Silver ox
meiguel13 2 years ago
I love A4's. best locos ever.
5 stars
ramonnie007 2 years ago
Great video! Completely agree with you littegiant but at least she hasn't been scrapped :)
charityalbumman 2 years ago
mallard hasnt steamed for 20 years. DO THE NRM NOT THINK THAT AS THE FASTEST STEAM LOCOMOTIVE IN THE WORLD SHE DESERVES MORE THAN BEING STUFFED IN A STUPID BUILDING IN SOME CITY IN NORTH ENGLAND? SHE SHOULD BE ON THE MAINLINE WHERE SHE JOLLY WELL BELONGS
littlegiant18794 2 years ago 35
@littlegiant18794 I even have my doubts that The Flying Scotsman will return to steam. The NRM just hasn't got the funds. Mallard needs a full ground up rebuild which will cost millions. Its doomed to be stuffed in that shed in York forever sadly.
craigybus1 1 year ago
@craigybus1
I reckon FS will return to steam. Not if but when. Even if it takes along time it will happen. As for Mallard. She was given an overhaul and then run for a limited period. She was reliable then when she came off tours. She has just had a brief inspection this year as she was towed to Shildon. That meant axlebox check and lubrication check. Tornado towed her. I believe it would cost a lot less than FS total repair build. Alot less.
TTTEFanNo22 1 year ago
@littlegiant18794 I couldn't agree more but what if something happened? :O
I'd love to see Mallard come to Manchester! :-)
draculapw 1 year ago
@littlegiant18794 yeah the bastards
halo222161 1 year ago
@littlegiant18794 Well said old chap.
teddy292929 1 year ago
@littlegiant18794
I totally agree with you there. Am sure the NRM will ban me eventually because each time I go in there I always ask the same question, "When will she steam?"
And each time I get an answer that shows just how little they understand about things mechanical! Would love to do there job!
I think she deserves to be out and about on the Main Line, as well as visiting other places too. Mallard and a train of LNER Teak coaches for example?
TTTEFanNo22 1 year ago
@littlegiant18794 I agree, the most famous locomotive there is; several A4's running today on the mainline, why isn't this one out there earning revenue from the thousands that would pay to go on a train pulled by this engine?
JimTLonW6 1 year ago
@littlegiant18794 How condescending. The north invented steam trains, along with mains electricity and electric lights. Where better for the train to be based. But I agree she should be out on the tracks. There's nowhere in the south that has any claim on her.
cageordie 1 year ago
@cageordie If she returned to steam there would be no reason why she shouldn't visit lines in the south, Particularly the Severn Valley which has a fantastic rake of Teak Coaches, but its base should be in the North, like York or the Moors line, provided they could learn not to break an engine :P
littlegiant18794 1 year ago
@littlegiant18794
I agree! What's such a problem with this loco when several A4's are on mainline service?
JimTLonW6 1 year ago
@littlegiant18794 its all ecconamy mate, plus there are engines that havent steamed for even longer than mallard, the little 2-2-4T "Aerolite" hasnt steamed for over 70 years, that cant be good for the boiler
trainlover658 1 year ago
@littlegiant18794 mallard in york nrm have not steamed since the 60s and its no longer at york it was moved to county durham a few weeks ago tows to another musiam by a diesel that is the closest she will ever come to steaming again sad realy what a train to see in action
statusquoman1 1 year ago
@littlegiant18794 I entirely agree; the most famous steam loco there is and it's a static example in a museum; other A4's are running, so why not Mallard?
JimTLonW6 10 months ago
@JimTLonW6 i saw in a DVD that they want to preserve the original metals in Mallard, but that is a shit reason, we can operate OTHER steam trains that have done things similar to Mallard, but not speed, so they over in Britian are PATHETIC!!!
MrTrainboy1 9 months ago
@MrTrainboy1 Eh?
English not your first language perhaps?
JimTLonW6 9 months ago
@littlegiant18794 Many reasons. Mallard has valence's, making access to the driving wheels near to impossible. The smokebox has a few cracks, and the driving wheels also have cracks. Wheels could be sourced from a Gresley Pacific.
3801Catcher 9 months ago
@3801Catcher Have you not Seen 60019 Bittern rebuilt in LNER Garter Blue WITH VALENCES for another 3 YEARS on the mainline? Valences are no issue. With the patterns for Tornado's wheels, which are the same diameter and spoke number, new ones could easily be manufactured, as could a new smokebox. Tornado has proved that all aspects of locomotive construction are possible, and there is no reason that a British steam loco should not run again
littlegiant18794 9 months ago
@littlegiant18794 yes but now that all the A4s in britian are steaming restoring her is
A. waste of money and time when there other examples of steam locos that are rarer
B. She is so popular in the musems that she brings many people in to see her.
It would be nice to see her in steam but right now the NRM is the best place for her.
ejcmoorhouse 7 months ago
I agree with you eastmidlandssteam about mallard but also its just 70013 isnt the only BR standard 7P in preservation there is 70000 Britannia as well under overhaul at LNWR Heritage Crewe for owner Jeremy Hosking.
and60007 2 years ago
@and60007 70013 has been returned to steam because she is a celebrity engine, she has achieved something unique. 4468 has done the same, but is much more famous. Many of her parts are in quite good nick, with the support Oliver Cromwell got, I reckon a steam railway appeal could see the A4 back in action in 5 years, which she deserves
littlegiant18794 1 year ago
i hav been to tht museam wen i was 5 lol i saw the mallard and sat in it
danbhornby596 2 years ago
if nswgr 3801 mallard and 4472 all had a time run on the naalaborplan in wa who do u thing would win? 38s have 245PSI the A4 has 250 psi and the 4472 has a 180 psi who would win i think 3801 the 38 can carrie more coal and water
theshedrailway 2 years ago
@theshedrailway the A3s have 220psi boilers actually. and a time run would have nothing to do with how much coal and water an engine can carry, it would be about power and aerodynamic properties, of which the latter would certainly see the record breaking A4 come out on top
littlegiant18794 1 year ago
excellent video shame Mallard isnt running on the mainline where she belongs along with gresley, union and bittern. I dont like it at NRM stuffed and mounted get steam railway to a return to steam appeal for her
and60007 2 years ago 5
Steam railway launched the appeal for 70013, Thats purely because 70013 is the only one left in its class...THERE 3 WORKING A4's CURRENTLY!!! 3 out of 6 working... Better than none aint it? Theres nothing much special about 60022 anyway, She broke the record..Nearly causing a mass accident in the running aswell.
EastMidlandsSteam 2 years ago
It wasn't Mallard that nearly caused an accident. That was 6220 at Crewe. However, Mallard did rip it's cylinder lining to shreads as it decelarated.
jamiegoddard4 2 years ago
@jamiegoddard4
It wasn't the cylinder linings that were ripped. It was the big end bearing on the middle cylinder. Basically, when J. Duddington was given the advice to slow down for a speed restriction he did so. It is reckoned the regulator was shut fully so no steam entered the cylinders. The steam would usually cushion the piston at the end of its stroke. No steam, no cushion. All the force was then on the bearing, hence it got hot and melted.
TTTEFanNo22 1 year ago
@EastMidlandsSteam
You're forgetting 70000, Britannia, sister loco to 70013 and also the class leader too.
TTTEFanNo22 1 year ago
Hay dodo I know why yank trains are so big it's because your nations people are twice the size of the rest of the world ha eat that
nivlick 2 years ago
They really need to restore her.
DanM012324 2 years ago
Got to love those Mallards. Only thing close to 'em in the US were the Southern Pacific streamlined Coast Daylights. But the Mallards were the true speed demons.
lasalleman 2 years ago
They arent mallards..,They're Gresley A4 Pacific Loco's
EastMidlandsSteam 2 years ago
Great Video, 5 Stars!
60103Henry 2 years ago
might add the city of truro was out of puff at 100mph
bwarrrrk 2 years ago
@bwarrrrk actually it wasn't. 3440 is one of few locomotives to have topped the 100mph mark with plenty of steam to spare and arrive mechanically sound at her destination. Silver Link is another example, a credit to their designer's engineering technology
littlegiant18794 1 year ago
the fastest steam loco at 126mph set in 38. it smoked the coronaton locos that were out of puff at 112mph
bwarrrrk 2 years ago
@bwarrrrk The fastest run by an LMS Coronation pacific was 114 in 1937 by the Class Pioneer
littlegiant18794 1 year ago
oh calm down,
get a post in Afghanistan...
robmcg567 2 years ago
brilliant clip, thankyou
robmcg567 2 years ago
hahahahaha american locos!?!?! dont make me laugh you clown
matt41301 2 years ago
What's wrong with American engines?
DanielVolker 2 years ago
@DanielVolker they're crap, that's whats wrong
littlegiant18794 1 year ago
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DanielVolker 1 year ago
@DanielVolker ^ Please ignore @littlegiant18794 American Loco's are not "Crap".
God, Why has the simple pleasure of Steam Trains been put down to idiots from the UK and USA trying to out do each other. Grow Up you tits.
I was lucky enough to have a look around the footplate of the A4 Bittern the other day at the Midhants Railway. Amazing Loco.
Gibbymyson 1 year ago
@Gibbymyson Exactly I love all locos Diesel Steam Electric no matter where they come from
burnley5960 1 year ago
all a4s are true british enginering we need more people like stephson and brunel to step up to the plate but sadly its dying slowly. as for you americans and that romanian pleas get a life. apretiate it not insult it. why watch the video if your going to insult it. you live in shacks and steam is a teachnology you can only dream of
xtmxst 2 years ago 8
@xtmxst The problem isn't that people lack the interest to be engineers, it is that the UK will not back British engineers. My last UK job was on the BOWMAN radio system network infrastructure. Despite having the best technical solution the UK government bought a Canadian system. So I emigrated to the US.
cageordie 1 year ago
Your jealous that are engine holds the world speed record.
RPSI1718541864613BG 2 years ago
the A4 look good buger off
theshedrailway 2 years ago
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Mallard locomotives look like shit, i guess is been made by British people...only they could ever create such ugly locomotives
Dodo9655 2 years ago
The same British people who pioneered the railways, you silly twat.
PeowPeowPeowLasers 2 years ago 4
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British Railways and British rolling stock SUCKZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
Dodo9655 2 years ago
Fantastic. Shame the Mallard isn't a British Railways designed locomotive.
PeowPeowPeowLasers 2 years ago
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British roling stock sucks cocks
Dodo9655 2 years ago
true true
bwarrrrk 2 years ago
your jealous you old fag these are beautiful engines shut the fuck up atleast ours get maintained unlike your graffiti wagons
MrAnnonumous 2 years ago
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oh yeah your talking shite look at your locomotives
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Please go suck my cock british and England rolling stock sucks
U.S.A THE BEST YOU BITCH HEADS LOOK AT USA LOCOMOTIVES THEY ARE A LOT NICER
Dodo9655 2 years ago
no they do not and no i will not suck your cock you perverted pedo british is England, Wales, Scotland and northern ireland the american ones look like they will fuck with you these are nice so piss of poor, romanian or american, pedo, perverted, old sod 70 year olds should never be on youtube
MrAnnonumous 2 years ago
You proven that you officially suck!
Dodo9655 2 years ago
@Dodo9655 USA locos look vulgar. They have all their shitty motion exposed, they look like they were designed by apes! How can you say that an A4 looks shit?
littlegiant18794 1 year ago
I find it hilarious that you keep on downgrading the American Steam locomotives by just their looks and not their performances. There is this motto called "Don't judge a book by it's cover." You ever heard of that?
gyjg6564167 1 year ago
FUCK YOU DODO9655
awolfpack343 2 years ago
@Dodo9655 How can you say it looks shit? It's one of the most elegant pieces of engineering in the world. Have you seen the American S160s? They're ugly brutes, not beautiful streaks like Gresley's A4s or Bulleid's Pacifics
littlegiant18794 1 year ago
Evocative , stirring stuff. Thanks.
landmarker 2 years ago
i have this video, and i LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE it
bnsf261 2 years ago
Whsy does Mallard have different number on her, 60022 and 4498 ect.??
DanielVolker 2 years ago
Because there were 35 built, 4469 was bamaged in the war and withdrawn, leaving 34 to BR Ownership. The LNER renumbered them all 1 to 34 and BR added 60000, hence Mallard went from 4468 to 22 to 60022 4498 you refer to is Sir Nigel Gresley also know as 60007.
yorksteam 2 years ago
i wish they could bring the surviving A4s from canada and america back to britain
54687y 2 years ago
that would be good if they could
steambgr 2 years ago
@54687y would cost too much tho. plus it's a gift from the UK for the assistance the countries gave them in the wars, and they are also tributes. Dwight D Eisenhower (or Dwight designer as I called him!) was a brilliant american war general, and without the Dominion of Canada Britain may well have lost the war.
littlegiant18794 1 year ago
@54687y
I remember when Dr. Marchington was looking at getting an A4 to pair with FS. He did look at repatriating one of the two. He was offered Dwight D Eisenhower but it was the total cost including shipping that, apparently put him off buying it. The engine price wasn't too extreme, He later bought Bittern then things didn't go smoothly with FS. He sold Bittern to keep FS running before finally selling FS.
TTTEFanNo22 1 year ago
its amazing that the nrm have to spend a fortune to get that overated train ,the flying scotsman going but wont even consider getting mallard up and running.they realy arent proper custodians of our heritage.
bittenof 2 years ago
because they know they will find problems in mallard no point stripping 60022 down if shes never going to work again anyway.But mallard is the NRM's main challenge
warboss132 2 years ago
Mallard is in as origional condition as possible, when it was run last time it was carfully managed for a limited amount of steamings. To do it now with the current rules, it would be ruined and nothing would be origional anymore. As for Flying Scotsman, they don't care, they will do what ever it takes to get her running. I would love to see Mallard back out, but with 3 more running in the UK why bother!
yorksteam 2 years ago
@yorksteam
You could argue the case that those three will need overhauling at some point UoSA 1st SNG then Bittern. Hopefully they'll over lap at some point so why not Mallard in steam? As for originality lets not forget how many times these locos would of been serviced and overhauled? There would of been many component changes over the years. Yes she was carefully managed for a limited amount of runs but she still ran a few extra.
TTTEFanNo22 1 year ago
@yorksteam
Plus the fact that she would still of needed attention to all the motion, valves etc. She proved reliable and because of her limited working I would easily bet that to return her to steam would be LESS than FS. FS really was worked into the ground and I applaud NRM for taking their time to make sure everything is as perfect as possible before she runs again. With Chris Beet in charge she's in excellent hands. Look at how well Leander runs!
TTTEFanNo22 1 year ago
@bittenof The Flying Scotsman is an international symbol of steam locomotives. It's probably one of the most popular creations of all time, and if it was running it would probably do a similar job to what Tornado is doing, attracting the public to Steam. Many more people would pay to have a trip on the A3 than say, a Black 5, because the A3 is more famous, and this extra money can be used to bring the A4 back. Plus the A3 is unique, whereas there are already 3 A4s running
littlegiant18794 1 year ago
at 5:30 did the coal catch on fire befor it went to the fire box?
nardp96 2 years ago
You'll find that's probably the heat from the shovel coming into contact with a bit of steam that's in the tender from the fireman hosing the coal down with the deckhose, or whatever It's called in th UK haha.
Love to go and see the A4's one day. It'd be interesting to compare a NSWGR C38 Pacific like 3801 against an A4 in terms of grade climbing ability, raw speed etc.
Cheers for the video!
Ziggy from New South Wales, Australia
hqkingswood 2 years ago
thanks for telling me, i thought it cought before it went in. im in america and we have few hand stoked steam engions. the challenger was fed by a screw coming from the tender to the fire box so thats why ive never seen it.
nardp96 2 years ago
I'd like to see the 3801, Mallard, and the Flying Scotsman compare with SP 4449! That's be something to see.
DanielVolker 2 years ago
"Created a stir in 1935 at Kings Cross" and steam can still do the same today!
Chaffinch4 3 years ago
AFAIK, all the A4s were built with the valances - they were part of the streamlining. They were removed during the war because they interfered with maintenance, and every locomotive was needed full-time. Only Mallard was given them back for preservation.
Kromaatikse 3 years ago
I remember the A4s running through Monifieth on the Aberdeen line in the mid 60s... the elevated railway line runs beside the road on one of the routes I took to school - fantastic for a wee boy of 10 or so. The only name I remember seeing is Union of South Africa.
jingshelpmaboab 3 years ago 2
wow I never new the mallard went on rails after it got put in the musiem but then again I'm only 12 lol good vid
peoplewillown 3 years ago
ton up bill your the man respect!!!!!
kiaganga 3 years ago
0:23 escaping cows.lol
JoeFredd 3 years ago
What DVD is this??????
trainboy94 3 years ago
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crap
tom08ap 3 years ago
so is your mum!
60037 3 years ago
2509 Silver Link and 4468 Mallard are the best!!
2509SilverLink 3 years ago 2
i mostly learn about Gresley A4 Sir Ralph Wegwoord, both Herring Gull and Gadwall
AEM7andthomasfan 3 years ago
if im right silver link is now bittern
warboss132 3 years ago
No, 2509 Silver Link was scrapped. For the anniversery they made Bittern look like Silver Link, but now Bittern is back to black and green, no valances, and double chimney (Silver Link had single chimney & side valances)
2509SilverLink 3 years ago
Bittern was Silver Link
joeferrito 3 years ago
your sure? I thought they wre different silverlink being scrapped as it was one of the orginal A4s
streamleazefishhouse 2 years ago
Bittern masqueraded as Silver Link - Silver Link itself was scrapped.
edj66 2 years ago
And Bittern is now running again in BR condition, but the Vallances do still exist, and are good enough to run, so one day maybe 4464 could run!!
yorksteam 2 years ago
back when I found The British Railway Series, I learned more and more about the Gresley A4's
AEM7andthomasfan 3 years ago
I have to admit, I am an American Railfan that does not really like British or European Railways, however, I do have to admit that the A4's are nice lookin steamers. Glad several were saved. On our side of the pond, several Famouse steam locomotives were scrapped, Like NYC 4-6-4's and4-8-4's, hudsons and Niagra's
ALS2001 3 years ago