can anybody give me a list of who these people are?? ._. some ppl in this video seems familiar to me but idk who they are... btw i taishanese haha and im proud of it :DDDDD
If you check the hollywood celeb, there is almost NOT ONE who is pure type of ethnicity. They are all an mix of white european ethnicities, however they all identify as being one thing, americans.
i'm shock none of my hoisan people are proud to speak it?? I came to the U.S around 8 and all my hoisan friends prefer to speak cantonese. They were ashame of being looked down on... sad..
Taishanese are basically Cantonese people. My grandfather on my father's side still speaks Cantonese with a very heavy 'Toi-san' accent and often uses words from that language and intermingled with Cantonese as he speaks. He's an old-timer and used to owned a fortune cookie factory in nearby New York's Chinatown.
@EvilEyester lol its hoisan and the funny thing is if u have a hoisan accent u wouldnt have any difficulty pronouncing english words for some reason lol
@EvilEyester EXACTLY taishanese,guangzhou,julian,nahai,shunde are all part of cantonese yue chinese dialect even though is there difference.We are more linked together than anything.Every taishanese in hong kong I've met consider themselves cantonese.
@spike378 gil's ancestry is solely listed as xinhui of sei yap in wiki. personally, i never thought she looked 100% chinese either & i won't be surprise if she have some non-chinese ancestry. many hk celebs actually have non-chinese ancestry. raymond lam's 1/16 spaniard. michelle reis is 1/2 portuguese. leila tong's 1/2 indonesian. amigo choi, angel sung & timmy hung are all 1/2 korean. yet, i grew up thinking all of them were 100% chinese.
@icetruffle1 Most hong kong celebs are 100% chinese. In opinion raymond lam being 1/16 spaniard is a joke. I've seen an white boy who is 20% chinese or 1/5 but looks like 100% blue eye and blonde hair swedish. Anything mixed of 1/8 should be considered mixed, you can be 1/8 chinese and look like tom cruise.
@owardis397 according to many biographies of raymond lam online, he confirmed it to a fan he has a spanish great grandmother on his mother's side, so he is 6.25% spanish.
@icetruffle1 Still it only makes 1-2% TVB celebs.Those who are 75% chinese should be included as chinese.There are so MANY white hollywood celebs who either 1/4 korean,chinese,japanese,filipino black, native american,yet they look completely white.Karen mok should logically be 60% chinese.
kristen kruek 50% chinese (but she looks 100% white), russel wong 50% chinese, keanus reeves is about 25% chinese,tyson beckford 25% chinese, that famous U.S boxer(forgot his name) is also 25% chinese.
I didn't know all the names for the different people in Hong Kong haha this is so cool! And I didn't know real Hong Kongers are Hakka :P My parents are originally from Hong Kong but we're Kaiping yen.
hey, shitty HK is nothing. why don't your fucking people leave us mainlanders alone? stop fucking coming to Toishan and make money then fool us like we know nothing. HK is just a shitty island.
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Yea?! how about this, dont fuckin watch youtube..because u great motherfucker chinese government actually hated it...so if u can leave youtube alone, the world can be more peace...also yea if u think Hong Kong is a shitty island, dont ever let ppl in HK now if u ever visit... And one more, if u r so proud of ur little mainland piece of shit, how about respect ur country's law, dont speak freely like us
30% of Hong Kongers have Toisan blood, don't diss toisan. The origins of Hong Kongers are the following: 40% from the Guangzhou/Panyu/Shunde Area, 30% from the Toisan/Hoiping/Sunwui/Yunping Area, 10% Chiu Chow, 10% Hakka, about 10% from Shanghai and other parts of China. Real Hong Kongers are the Hakkas, if you consider yourself a real Hong Konger, you must be hakka?
I am not trying to diss any Toisanese, my ancestors are actually toisanese, so I considered myself a toisanese. Look @ why123 comments about Hong Kong, it actually disgraced "some" of the ppl of HK who actually dont think the way he said. Also, ask an american(especialyl white americans), does he or she consider himself or herself a european? I am not sure about that. All i wanted to say, yes ppl of hk r arrogant, but that dont make it neccesarily a shitty place with shitty ppl
actually american's do know their ancestry. Like shanghainese know their ancestry: Ningbo, Zhejiang or Suzhou, Jiangsu. (the two neighbouring provinces that speak the same variations of the Wu dialect).
Yea they do?? but do they look themselve as an american or European, think of this question. It is basically the same concept. It does not only happen in America and Hong Kong anyways. TW vs China, Singapore vs malaysia and so on. so after all, Hong Kong ppl r HK ppl, doesnt matter where the ancestors were from. if you think like that, then we probably wont even "nations" since african is probably our great ancestor.
Taiwanese know their ancesty is in southern fujian, in the city of Xiamen, due to history. Hong Kongers know their ancestry is somewhere in Guangdong ... either Guangzhou area or Toisan area.. the 2 major sources of immigration since the birth of Hong Kong until the 1990s. I don't know about now... i think most immigrants come from Northern China to HK i guess..
The original inhabitants are Hakkas who are a minority and lost their culture except in the small villages in the New Territories.
I am not in mainland now, you fucktard, nor i like the mainland government, you little piece of shit. stop the stupid assumption that everyone who came from the mainland is loving to lick the CCP's ass. don't tell the world how polite you fucking HK people is. that's a lie. you actually hate your own kind.
you fucking hk people are dogs of the white people. shame on you. you copy their styles, and you really think you are greater? fuck you.
I toured China, and went back to Hoisan. Most girls I saw were butt ugly. The girls in Hoisan were the prettiest.
Theres some pretty successful people in the world from the sze yup. Check out my uncle. Search Meng Foon. Mayor of Gisborne, New Zealand. Orginally a Xinhui Doy
that's only the old seniors... most young taishanese are sucessful politicians and entrepreneurs, you probably don't notice cuz most of the younger generation speak either English or Standard Cantonese..
My father is a entrepreneur and we are quite well of =)
aiknight, when chinese ppl label each other as "jook sing", "overseas", "american", etc. i think they are just trying to identify a person's environment & relate to that person from their understanding of their environment, i don't think it is an unfriendly gesture. many times, i don't inform ppl i'm an abc if they don't ask & many non-american born chinese ppl & non-chinese ppl say they are "surprised" when they find out i'm born & raised in the US & never been to any han-majority countries.
This is BS. Being from Siyi doesn't mean you are Taishan!!!!!! Taishan is Siyi, but Siyi doesn't mean you are Taishan!!!! You can rarely find Enping-ese or Xinhui-ese out here. The whole town here is Taishan, no one talks about Enping or Xinhui. Don't ruin the name!!!
i remember last year i read an essay, it said there are OVER 70% chinese in north america are Toishanese(Hoisonese/Taishanese). but it didnt say that including progenies or not
That's the problem with Chinese ppl! There's never unity! You have to distinguish yourself from each other so specifically! Can you just all just call yourself Chinese and be more united?!
we can always say we r taishanese, hongkonger whatever to our chinese friends. that make sense! we also can say we r chinese to them. but did u hear a saying"鬼唔知你呀媽係女人"?
that is the same crap I hear all the time. put some effort in it and don't give yourself so much goddamn excuses! even though I do not understand mandarin speakers, I still make the effort. I think that's why I prefer to be American more than Chinese these days. Chinese people don't give a damn about each other except if there is "jac so".
Even though i say i am cantonese,but people still want to know which part of canton you come from. It is normal, nothing wrong to ask. There is nothing wrong with chinese, something is wrong with you because you are too sensitive. Some people say they are shanhainese, some say they are chaozhounese or guang zhounese or hongkongnese..then we know which part of china they come from. We do not try to distinguish every chinese. WE know we are chinese.
u shouldn't put words in other ppl's mouth. chinese ppl are one of the friendliest ppl i know. maybe some chinese ppl maltreated u in some way which led to your poor perspective of them but this doesn't give u an excuse to stereotype chinese ppl as uncaring. it is unfortunate u're confusing ethnicity with nationality. if u don't want to identify as chinese, i wonder what u will say when ppl ask you for ur ethnicity. which box do u check when u're asked ur ethnicity on offical forms?
that is the same crap I hear all the time. put some effort in it and don't give yourself so much goddamn excuses! even though I do not understand mandarin speakers, I still make the effort. I think that's why I prefer to be American more than Chinese these days. Chinese people don't give a damn about each other except if there is "jac so".
We are proud to be chinese or chinese american. not like you "american".. everyone has US citizenship is considered american. Italian, chinese, african amerdican or other.They all are american.i don't mind to call myself taishanese american.
It's not about sensitivity. It's about unity. Yea sure people ask which part of china are you from but that is not what i am talking about. It is the Chinese mentality. How come we can't be strong as a whole even though we have such a big population? Just like how you call Chinese who are born or raise here "jook sing" and put them as "American" rather than Chinese. I guess maybe that makes some of you feel more superior.
aiknight, i don't like the word "jook sing" either. some overseas chinese aren't "hollow" or unknowlegeable about chinese culture, even if they've never been to china.
aiknight, i don't understand why u want chinese americans to identify only as chinese. many times, when ppl ask me what i am, i assume they are asking for my ethnicity & i say chinese. 1time, an instructor asked "where are ur ancestors from?". i told her from china. then she asked, "how much tax do you pay in china?" i told her i've never paid china taxes. she laughed @ me, said "every1 pay taxes". i told her i've never been to china, so i don't need to pay. sometimes, you DO need to inform.
I tend to think more like celebrating the differnces. Just because we acknowledge our differences doesn't mean we hate each other. When I was in HK where everyone acts the same, and I can't tell who's Taishan, Hakka...etc. But when I am in the U.S. I get to meet Chinese from different hometowns, and it has been very interesting: I get to try different foods (unlike the U.S. - same food coast to coast), learn about different traditions and to listen to stories told from different perspectives.
identifying as cantonese, siyi, taishanese doesn't conflict with identification with nationality. the problem is not with chinese ppl! it is you aiknight. a californian, new yorker, minnesotan, floridian etc. still identify themselves as american. canton is a province inside china=state in the US. siyi is a county inside canton. taishan is a city inside siyi. nothing is confusing.
back to Jiangmen? you'll hear alot the people speak Cantonese, I hate the people speak 台山話, you guy's is Jiangmenese, You guy's is learning our Cantonese,no more 台山話,
sorry.. you cannot make us speak your cantonese.. 台山話 is the best XP You know maybe it's best we call ourselves Si Yip Ngin(or Thli Yip Ngin) or Ng Yip Ngin
im taishan. yeah cantonese is different to taishanese. like cantonese would say: "sat fun" and taishanese would say "hak fun". cantonese would say: "zhou le" as in "lets go" and taishanse would say: "dough le"
To ivexcen: Cantonese is a lingua franca...and it doesnt belong to 江門, it belongs to the province of Canton aka Guangdong, so all the people in Guangdong technically can understand Cantonese. Within Guangdong there are many counties and cities...it's just so happened that jiangmen and taishan are part of Guangdong. there are a lot of regional languages within the province (as in any other provinces in China, so it's a very common thing.
To ivexen: SzeYap(四邑) happens to be our native region and 台山話just happens to be the language spoken in that area...there are variation of 台山話 depending on which part of SzeYap(四邑) they are from. 四邑natives dont necessarily identify themselves as 台山人, but they will say that they speak 四邑/台山話. My dad is from 台山 and my mom is from 開平, and i consider my 台山人 since both of my parents are from the 四邑 region.
To ivexcen: i live in a city in the suburbs of Los Angeles, California and i never identify myself as a Los Angeles citizen. when i am asked where i am from, i will always say the city that i lived and if people don't know where it is, then i will tell them that's a city within the LA County. to identify myself as 台山人 is the same deal! oh you mentioned that 台山話 is not popular, well i never thought that it IS popular until i set foot outside of California.
To ivexcen: there are many people that speaks 台山話 in the various Chinatowns in North America i.e. LA, SF, Montreal, Toronto, Vancouver..etc and i only found out because i visited those places. there's nothing special about knowing how to speak Cantonese because a lot of people do...it's like the language of Southern China, even some my friends from Vietnam and 廣西(another province)know how to speak Cantonese.
To ivexcen: if jiangmen residents can only speak Cantonese, then it's nothing to be proud of because at least other people with a regional tone can be multilingual with one more language than jiangmen residents do. for those that are actually living in those cities (excluding you and me) 江門人 can only speak Cantonese and Mandarin, while people in 四邑 can speak Cantonese, Mandarin, and 四邑話. i dont know about you, but i'm proud that i know 4 languages.
weidyli is right. Our first word is from Toishan and Toishan is our hometown. We would never consider ourself Jiangmanese. For those of you who don't know, just ask many Toishanese and see how many considering themself as Jiangmanese. Although Toishan is part of Jiangman but this 台山人（Toishanese）is passed ancestors. Unless "ivexcen" you change your ancestors name.
I never call myself 江門人... I just realized that most Sei Yap people will call themselves 四邑人, but will say they speak 台山話, because 台山話 is more popular and spoken by more people.
Why alot the Chinese always look to the back! I list some example! Can you trasnlate 韓國 in english Corea? no! Japanese change Corea-Korea to put it after Japan in alphabetical order,now is Korea! Can you call Korea capital in chinese 漢城? you can't! now 首爾! Can you call 日本 in english Nippon? now is Japan!!! Can you call 中國 in english old name Chin(秦)?no! now is China(中國),,,,,,,alot the example!!!!!!! please stop call they are Taishanese,they an't!!
haha "台山區", nobody call 台山區, you must a jianmenese. By the way, I never heard about jianmenese. Jianmenese means "ASSHOLE" in chinese. I do want to be an "Asshole", do you understand. 台山is a city, who give shit about JianMenese. I think you are a jianmenese idiot.....I really do not know what dialet jianmen people speak. I do not care anyway. I am a taishanese, Not a "肛门人". Thank you.
my uncle's wife was born & raised in taishan (w/ near native-level accent), but her parents are of recent shanghainese origin (don't speak any taishanese after living in the county for over 30 yrs & still don't!) but she considers herself taishanese (from being raised, grew up, & speak the language). she introduces herself as being "from taishan". If ppl can spot her nearly non-existent shanghainese accent, she will say her family roots are in shanghai.
originally... the region was called Sze Yap(not including 江門 nor 鶴山) and most people would call themself 台山人. The reason is because there are more overseas 台山人... so most Cantonese people only know 台山, where as the other cities are less well known.
wiki referred to the dialects of the 4 county-level cities as sze yap dialects 四邑話 & not taishan dialects 台山話. my parents say the ppl from counties other than taishan county are sze yap ppl 四邑人 & not taishan ppl 台山人.
Language and origin of a person don't have to match. I am Chinese and I speak English....you can learn it always....
Maybe Alan is from the border? Xinhui and Toishan is next to each other I think and if you live on the border, it would be easy to speak the wrong dialect.
But keep Sze Yap peoples separated please. Not all peoples of Sze Yap refer themselves as Toishan. Since my blood family is from the Guangzhou, and there was an influx of Toishanese during the 60s, we know the regional ......
can anybody give me a list of who these people are?? ._. some ppl in this video seems familiar to me but idk who they are... btw i taishanese haha and im proud of it :DDDDD
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If you check the hollywood celeb, there is almost NOT ONE who is pure type of ethnicity. They are all an mix of white european ethnicities, however they all identify as being one thing, americans.
owardis397 7 months ago
what's the song in the clip? I've heard it a whole lot and I really want it on my iTouch...
TomoyaKun100 7 months ago
although Andy Lau was borned in Tai Po, Hong Kong, his ancestry lineage is from Xinhui, Guangdong! so he is also Taishanese
cinemascene 7 months ago
i'm shock none of my hoisan people are proud to speak it?? I came to the U.S around 8 and all my hoisan friends prefer to speak cantonese. They were ashame of being looked down on... sad..
LetMeSeeThis99 8 months ago
Bernice Liu is Toisan too ! She spoke it once in one of those TVB show interview breaks !!! :)
KiwiRAWRR 9 months ago
keah ma guo hoi!!
jaychinut1 10 months ago
Taishanese are basically Cantonese people. My grandfather on my father's side still speaks Cantonese with a very heavy 'Toi-san' accent and often uses words from that language and intermingled with Cantonese as he speaks. He's an old-timer and used to owned a fortune cookie factory in nearby New York's Chinatown.
EvilEyester 10 months ago
@EvilEyester lol its hoisan and the funny thing is if u have a hoisan accent u wouldnt have any difficulty pronouncing english words for some reason lol
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@EvilEyester EXACTLY taishanese,guangzhou,julian,nahai,shunde are all part of cantonese yue chinese dialect even though is there difference.We are more linked together than anything.Every taishanese in hong kong I've met consider themselves cantonese.
owardis397 10 months ago
Add the silent film actress Anna May Wong. :)
mrshinyshoes 11 months ago
Who's that girl at 0:21?
mrshinyshoes 11 months ago
I think gill is a mix therefore not taishanese
spike378 1 year ago
@spike378 gil's ancestry is solely listed as xinhui of sei yap in wiki. personally, i never thought she looked 100% chinese either & i won't be surprise if she have some non-chinese ancestry. many hk celebs actually have non-chinese ancestry. raymond lam's 1/16 spaniard. michelle reis is 1/2 portuguese. leila tong's 1/2 indonesian. amigo choi, angel sung & timmy hung are all 1/2 korean. yet, i grew up thinking all of them were 100% chinese.
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@icetruffle1 Most hong kong celebs are 100% chinese. In opinion raymond lam being 1/16 spaniard is a joke. I've seen an white boy who is 20% chinese or 1/5 but looks like 100% blue eye and blonde hair swedish. Anything mixed of 1/8 should be considered mixed, you can be 1/8 chinese and look like tom cruise.
owardis397 10 months ago
@owardis397 according to many biographies of raymond lam online, he confirmed it to a fan he has a spanish great grandmother on his mother's side, so he is 6.25% spanish.
icetruffle1 7 months ago
@owardis397 edison chen is 87.5% chinese-12.5% portuguese
cecilia cheung is 75% chinese-25%british
sonija kwok is 75% chinese-25%british
steven & jan cheung are both 50% chinese-50% dutch
anthony wong is 50% british-50% chinese
bruce lee is 75% chinese-25% german
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owardis397 7 months ago
@owardis397 isabella leong is 50% portuguese-25% chinese-25% british
karen mok is 50% chinese-25%welsh-12.5% german-12.5%iranian
belinda hamnett is 50% british-50% chinese
cerina da graca is 50% portuguese-50% chinese
kristy yang is 75% chinese-25% american white
christy chung is 50% chinese-50% vietnamese
michael wong is 50% chinese-25% french-25% dutch
carl ng is 50% chinese-50% british
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@icetruffle1 Still it only makes 1-2% TVB celebs.Those who are 75% chinese should be included as chinese.There are so MANY white hollywood celebs who either 1/4 korean,chinese,japanese,filipino black, native american,yet they look completely white.Karen mok should logically be 60% chinese.
kristen kruek 50% chinese (but she looks 100% white), russel wong 50% chinese, keanus reeves is about 25% chinese,tyson beckford 25% chinese, that famous U.S boxer(forgot his name) is also 25% chinese.
owardis397 7 months ago
@owardis397 there are many more which i can't remember their names but i know they're still active in hong kong entertainment
icetruffle1 7 months ago
I'm taishanese and new zealander!!!! i cant believe one of my fave artist is part taishanese :D
cherrygirl352 1 year ago
+1 for the Hoisan people!
BeaconsFist 1 year ago 4
Oh wow I love this song! It's so sweet and smooth. I don't think that enough people on this board are appreciating the music.
ladysleopat 1 year ago
I didn't know all the names for the different people in Hong Kong haha this is so cool! And I didn't know real Hong Kongers are Hakka :P My parents are originally from Hong Kong but we're Kaiping yen.
我是開平人!!! FTW!!!
tanj19 1 year ago
Omg Neji at the end
iiiiMangoz 1 year ago
C'mon, hakka means guests, they came to HK area long after the orig population was cleared away from the coast in Tang times
paklaanfa 1 year ago
i AM HAKKA YEN , hakka person so WHOOPIE<3 LOVE FOR HAKKA PEOPLE LIVING IN NYC , HOLLAR.
NycEarnestChInk 1 year ago
I am originally Szechuan but I grew up learning Cantonese
VictorTranVlogs 1 year ago
这首歌叫什么？？？、
ruiyuan208 1 year ago
@ruiyuan208 我的驕傲
tanj19 1 year ago
Who is that girl in 0:20?
iiiiMangoz 1 year ago
@iiiiMangoz i think it is one of the Twins, a sa??
KugelSchnapps 1 year ago
Hong Kong in a ways "Americanizes" all its groups into one primary identity which of course is mostly defined by language
fluidicmethod 1 year ago
@fluidicmethod In what way is HK Americanized?
ivantide 1 year ago
Kenny is so sexy~ I've had my eyes on him ever since his Boy'z days.
kimji 1 year ago
all "Hong kongers" are white-washed " fai chai" . LOL...
maplesproduct 1 year ago
well...im fujian/toisan...and i grew up learning mandarin,medium canto, and a little toisan o.O
Jason11366 2 years ago
FUJIAN/ JAPANESE PRIDE!
AIKOAIKOSAN 2 years ago
:)))
Blueponts 2 years ago
Toisan pride!!!!
lexxypexxy 2 years ago
i'm also taishanese, i didn't know that many famous people were also part taishanese.
xitzmeagainx 2 years ago 14
各位台山兄弟，系时候摆脱香港啦！冇成日可香港乃广东野来炫耀啦！广东人要有自己个光荣同埋自尊！
why123 2 years ago
好！my god, beyond is from Taishan too. cool man!
Lapplestory2 2 years ago
yep ^^ If you like my vids, subscribe to my channel.. cuz i still have more videos coming out soon =P
jaychow21 2 years ago
she is born in Hong Kong but her parents are from Taishan.
jaychow21 2 years ago
yes she is.. check wikipedia or other chinese websites that talk about her (Biography).
jaychow21 2 years ago
wow.. i never knew that, do u know if she knows how to speak it too?
ahStarwok 2 years ago
i don't know her personally lol so i am not sure.. probably she does if she learned it from her parents or grandparents.
jaychow21 2 years ago
CoOL~ Don't relize that many HK stars are Taisanese, and by the way, are there everyone from 台城 here??
Vincent709394 2 years ago
this song is so nice to listen. what is the name of it?
sky5000 2 years ago
my pride by Joey Yung
jaychow21 2 years ago
Who is the actor at 0:35 ?
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arnoldlwlee 2 years ago
I didn't know Beyond was from Toisan? I love there music!
But I wonder, did they sing in Toisan as well? I can't tell yet.
sailormirai 2 years ago
點解無曾志偉（台山）同譚詠倫（新會）既？
raymondkkng 2 years ago
我都係台山人
OI HAI HOISAN IN
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香港人是賣國漢奸走狗, 英國人的奴隸!
westernshit666 2 years ago
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fuck you
junyudolphin 2 years ago
Then why don't you mainlanders leave us alone.
madhoyden 2 years ago
best joey song is "華麗邂逅" <3 <3
holisticguy 2 years ago
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hey, shitty HK is nothing. why don't your fucking people leave us mainlanders alone? stop fucking coming to Toishan and make money then fool us like we know nothing. HK is just a shitty island.
why123 2 years ago
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Yea?! how about this, dont fuckin watch youtube..because u great motherfucker chinese government actually hated it...so if u can leave youtube alone, the world can be more peace...also yea if u think Hong Kong is a shitty island, dont ever let ppl in HK now if u ever visit... And one more, if u r so proud of ur little mainland piece of shit, how about respect ur country's law, dont speak freely like us
kelvin90423 2 years ago
30% of Hong Kongers have Toisan blood, don't diss toisan. The origins of Hong Kongers are the following: 40% from the Guangzhou/Panyu/Shunde Area, 30% from the Toisan/Hoiping/Sunwui/Yunping Area, 10% Chiu Chow, 10% Hakka, about 10% from Shanghai and other parts of China. Real Hong Kongers are the Hakkas, if you consider yourself a real Hong Konger, you must be hakka?
jaychow21 2 years ago
I am not trying to diss any Toisanese, my ancestors are actually toisanese, so I considered myself a toisanese. Look @ why123 comments about Hong Kong, it actually disgraced "some" of the ppl of HK who actually dont think the way he said. Also, ask an american(especialyl white americans), does he or she consider himself or herself a european? I am not sure about that. All i wanted to say, yes ppl of hk r arrogant, but that dont make it neccesarily a shitty place with shitty ppl
kelvin90423 2 years ago
actually american's do know their ancestry. Like shanghainese know their ancestry: Ningbo, Zhejiang or Suzhou, Jiangsu. (the two neighbouring provinces that speak the same variations of the Wu dialect).
jaychow21 2 years ago
Yea they do?? but do they look themselve as an american or European, think of this question. It is basically the same concept. It does not only happen in America and Hong Kong anyways. TW vs China, Singapore vs malaysia and so on. so after all, Hong Kong ppl r HK ppl, doesnt matter where the ancestors were from. if you think like that, then we probably wont even "nations" since african is probably our great ancestor.
kelvin90423 2 years ago
Taiwanese know their ancesty is in southern fujian, in the city of Xiamen, due to history. Hong Kongers know their ancestry is somewhere in Guangdong ... either Guangzhou area or Toisan area.. the 2 major sources of immigration since the birth of Hong Kong until the 1990s. I don't know about now... i think most immigrants come from Northern China to HK i guess..
The original inhabitants are Hakkas who are a minority and lost their culture except in the small villages in the New Territories.
jaychow21 2 years ago
O well, also, the population of fujian, taisanese r pretty huge in America and many european nations as well~
kelvin90423 2 years ago
@jaychow21 you forgot the real hong konger also includes the wai tau yan and tang ka yan (fishermen).
KugelSchnapps 1 year ago
I am not in mainland now, you fucktard, nor i like the mainland government, you little piece of shit. stop the stupid assumption that everyone who came from the mainland is loving to lick the CCP's ass. don't tell the world how polite you fucking HK people is. that's a lie. you actually hate your own kind.
you fucking hk people are dogs of the white people. shame on you. you copy their styles, and you really think you are greater? fuck you.
why123 2 years ago
现在应该是四邑了吧，以前是叫五邑。。。不过现在好像新会并进去江门哪里了。。。
chris198109 2 years ago
andy lau 不是广东的...
eason777662893 2 years ago
是广东的 -_-"
jaychow21 2 years ago
劉德華應該係新會既，總之都係四邑啦！
raymondkkng 2 years ago
well i just know most taishanese will get out taishan and all over the world.....
in mexico alot taishanese...
EGH1013 2 years ago
Toisan pride, I just came back from hoisan last night and im feeling mighty home sick right now.
Yeahitzbop 3 years ago
yep =)
jaychow21 3 years ago
I know how you feel.. I went to Taishan this past summer and I am going back to Taicheng/DaJiang in June...
Azn989 3 years ago
I loved it, If you're into clubbing theres a new club called babyface. I love the club "class" too Lots of lang nuis there, especially in the summer.
Yeahitzbop 3 years ago
朝伟是开平的。
nawkrm 3 years ago
我是开平的
KikiZhen520 2 years ago
very nice, a lot of famous stars i never knew they were TS till now.
yankeeskuang 3 years ago
应该说是四邑人(four county),我也是四邑人
papacoyote 3 years ago
五邑! 我都係.. 但是習慣佐講四邑!
lewis82 2 years ago
我祖父祖籍恩平圣堂镇根竹头村。本身是马来西亚第三代华人。有没有根竹头村的资料？Google Earth看到不是很清楚。
drexchan 3 years ago
華仔喺新會人..
bununu1 3 years ago
新會人喺台山新會人
jaychow21 3 years ago
.... 睇來你要惡補一下廣東地理
台山同新會都喺市县 同屬五邑 所以最多祗可以叫做五邑新會人 ''台山新會人''喺唔存在嘅...
bununu1 3 years ago
我会讲台山话。我也会说英文。
spoiledprincess1001 3 years ago
最后哪个郑生是恩平人来人~~有好几个都不是台山人~~不有吹得就吹
7720447 3 years ago 3
hat is Taishanese??? you needed to Correct The Title, is Hong Kong Toisanese
USN288 3 years ago
Toisan out of Taishan > Toisan in Taishan
AznHk 3 years ago
I toured China, and went back to Hoisan. Most girls I saw were butt ugly. The girls in Hoisan were the prettiest.
Theres some pretty successful people in the world from the sze yup. Check out my uncle. Search Meng Foon. Mayor of Gisborne, New Zealand. Orginally a Xinhui Doy
theJacka1 3 years ago 3
does anyone have any new information about the progess of building nuclear plants in 台山？
freetravler123 3 years ago
台山 people need to have motivation and stop playing 麻将 all day
freetravler123 3 years ago
that's only the old seniors... most young taishanese are sucessful politicians and entrepreneurs, you probably don't notice cuz most of the younger generation speak either English or Standard Cantonese..
My father is a entrepreneur and we are quite well of =)
jaychow21 3 years ago
i'm talking about people who are living there now
freetravler123 3 years ago 5
我都係台山人,but我住係香港,你地覺得台山點???
35242672 3 years ago
不错，很多童年的回忆。
daqingwangchao 3 years ago
i didn't know this ~ thanks.
my husband's family speaks toisan
kmah88 3 years ago
Very funny. Yes, the people in Taisan are supposed to learn from these Chinese idols.
Ronwang 3 years ago
i love this song
lilchan92 3 years ago
恩，不错，台山人看起来满强的
NixKah 3 years ago
aiknight, when chinese ppl label each other as "jook sing", "overseas", "american", etc. i think they are just trying to identify a person's environment & relate to that person from their understanding of their environment, i don't think it is an unfriendly gesture. many times, i don't inform ppl i'm an abc if they don't ask & many non-american born chinese ppl & non-chinese ppl say they are "surprised" when they find out i'm born & raised in the US & never been to any han-majority countries.
anbncejksg 3 years ago
This is BS. Being from Siyi doesn't mean you are Taishan!!!!!! Taishan is Siyi, but Siyi doesn't mean you are Taishan!!!! You can rarely find Enping-ese or Xinhui-ese out here. The whole town here is Taishan, no one talks about Enping or Xinhui. Don't ruin the name!!!
PS. You forgot Danny Chan.
MingGuoLi 3 years ago
i remember last year i read an essay, it said there are OVER 70% chinese in north america are Toishanese(Hoisonese/Taishanese). but it didnt say that including progenies or not
weidyli 3 years ago
Yes Taishan boys are very handsome (I married one) ^_^
lilywsy 3 years ago 3
That's the problem with Chinese ppl! There's never unity! You have to distinguish yourself from each other so specifically! Can you just all just call yourself Chinese and be more united?!
aiknight 4 years ago
we can always say we r taishanese, hongkonger whatever to our chinese friends. that make sense! we also can say we r chinese to them. but did u hear a saying"鬼唔知你呀媽係女人"?
ngan87 4 years ago 3
that is the same crap I hear all the time. put some effort in it and don't give yourself so much goddamn excuses! even though I do not understand mandarin speakers, I still make the effort. I think that's why I prefer to be American more than Chinese these days. Chinese people don't give a damn about each other except if there is "jac so".
aiknight 4 years ago
Even though i say i am cantonese,but people still want to know which part of canton you come from. It is normal, nothing wrong to ask. There is nothing wrong with chinese, something is wrong with you because you are too sensitive. Some people say they are shanhainese, some say they are chaozhounese or guang zhounese or hongkongnese..then we know which part of china they come from. We do not try to distinguish every chinese. WE know we are chinese.
linnext 4 years ago 4
u shouldn't put words in other ppl's mouth. chinese ppl are one of the friendliest ppl i know. maybe some chinese ppl maltreated u in some way which led to your poor perspective of them but this doesn't give u an excuse to stereotype chinese ppl as uncaring. it is unfortunate u're confusing ethnicity with nationality. if u don't want to identify as chinese, i wonder what u will say when ppl ask you for ur ethnicity. which box do u check when u're asked ur ethnicity on offical forms?
anbncejksg 3 years ago
that is the same crap I hear all the time. put some effort in it and don't give yourself so much goddamn excuses! even though I do not understand mandarin speakers, I still make the effort. I think that's why I prefer to be American more than Chinese these days. Chinese people don't give a damn about each other except if there is "jac so".
aiknight 4 years ago
We are proud to be chinese or chinese american. not like you "american".. everyone has US citizenship is considered american. Italian, chinese, african amerdican or other.They all are american.i don't mind to call myself taishanese american.
linnext 4 years ago 3
It's not about sensitivity. It's about unity. Yea sure people ask which part of china are you from but that is not what i am talking about. It is the Chinese mentality. How come we can't be strong as a whole even though we have such a big population? Just like how you call Chinese who are born or raise here "jook sing" and put them as "American" rather than Chinese. I guess maybe that makes some of you feel more superior.
aiknight 4 years ago
waddu mean by How come we can't be strong as a whole even though we have such a big population?
chinkstah9683 3 years ago
I think you mean well. But if you have been through the student movement in 1989, you'd know that Chinese can (and did) come together as one.
lilywsy 3 years ago
aiknight, i don't like the word "jook sing" either. some overseas chinese aren't "hollow" or unknowlegeable about chinese culture, even if they've never been to china.
anbncejksg 3 years ago
aiknight, i don't understand why u want chinese americans to identify only as chinese. many times, when ppl ask me what i am, i assume they are asking for my ethnicity & i say chinese. 1time, an instructor asked "where are ur ancestors from?". i told her from china. then she asked, "how much tax do you pay in china?" i told her i've never paid china taxes. she laughed @ me, said "every1 pay taxes". i told her i've never been to china, so i don't need to pay. sometimes, you DO need to inform.
anbncejksg 3 years ago
lol i knew my mon is a woman.
i think coz those ppl in immigrant countries dont understand ppl in native countries.
weidyli 3 years ago
I tend to think more like celebrating the differnces. Just because we acknowledge our differences doesn't mean we hate each other. When I was in HK where everyone acts the same, and I can't tell who's Taishan, Hakka...etc. But when I am in the U.S. I get to meet Chinese from different hometowns, and it has been very interesting: I get to try different foods (unlike the U.S. - same food coast to coast), learn about different traditions and to listen to stories told from different perspectives.
lilywsy 3 years ago 2
identifying as cantonese, siyi, taishanese doesn't conflict with identification with nationality. the problem is not with chinese ppl! it is you aiknight. a californian, new yorker, minnesotan, floridian etc. still identify themselves as american. canton is a province inside china=state in the US. siyi is a county inside canton. taishan is a city inside siyi. nothing is confusing.
anbncejksg 3 years ago
i am 100% hoi sannnnnn waaahhhhhhhh ahhhhhhhh. hakkkk funnnnnnnnn laaaaaaaaaaaaa
sucka1818 4 years ago 2
想同＂ivexcen＂講：
台山市係市，唔係區，雖然行政區域上屬於江門，台山依然係市。江門只有三個區。台山開平鶴山恩平係市。屬於某個市嘅地方唔一定係區，呢種情況係大陸好多。
即使以後台山由市變為區，我哋都可以叫自己做台山人。＂台山人＂三個字冇對＂市＂同＂區＂作出定義。
就好似，係英屬香港出世嘅人就係英屬香港出世，你可以話係香港出世，但係你話你係HKSAR出世，你覺得在意思上有問題嗎？
希望你唔好再講咁多廢話。
ngan87 4 years ago 3
lol im taishanese
ngan87 4 years ago
me 2
weidyli 4 years ago
back to Jiangmen? you'll hear alot the people speak Cantonese, I hate the people speak 台山話, you guy's is Jiangmenese, You guy's is learning our Cantonese,no more 台山話,
ivexcen 4 years ago
sorry.. you cannot make us speak your cantonese.. 台山話 is the best XP You know maybe it's best we call ourselves Si Yip Ngin(or Thli Yip Ngin) or Ng Yip Ngin
jaychow21 4 years ago
u live in jiang men?
bowie7181994 4 years ago
no,i living in houston, you living in houston too?
ivexcen 4 years ago
no i dont ^^
bowie7181994 4 years ago
so where you live?
ivexcen 4 years ago
In MA
bowie7181994 4 years ago
u suck
i m hoisanese
weidyli 4 years ago
u suck
taishanese is one of cantonese
had u ever gone to taishan before?
if not, juz shut F up
weidyli 4 years ago
shut the fuck.. Dont ever compare Toi Sans to cheap ass cantos..
Yeahitzbop 4 years ago 2
EXACTLY THANKYOU MAN!
chinkstah9683 3 years ago
im taishan. yeah cantonese is different to taishanese. like cantonese would say: "sat fun" and taishanese would say "hak fun". cantonese would say: "zhou le" as in "lets go" and taishanse would say: "dough le"
Xsubs 4 years ago 2
No! speak Cantonese is their duty, but Toishanese is home language.
gekko 4 years ago 3
To ivexcen: Cantonese is a lingua franca...and it doesnt belong to 江門, it belongs to the province of Canton aka Guangdong, so all the people in Guangdong technically can understand Cantonese. Within Guangdong there are many counties and cities...it's just so happened that jiangmen and taishan are part of Guangdong. there are a lot of regional languages within the province (as in any other provinces in China, so it's a very common thing.
SarcasTicOutcasT 3 years ago
To ivexen: SzeYap(四邑) happens to be our native region and 台山話just happens to be the language spoken in that area...there are variation of 台山話 depending on which part of SzeYap(四邑) they are from. 四邑natives dont necessarily identify themselves as 台山人, but they will say that they speak 四邑/台山話. My dad is from 台山 and my mom is from 開平, and i consider my 台山人 since both of my parents are from the 四邑 region.
SarcasTicOutcasT 3 years ago
To ivexcen: i live in a city in the suburbs of Los Angeles, California and i never identify myself as a Los Angeles citizen. when i am asked where i am from, i will always say the city that i lived and if people don't know where it is, then i will tell them that's a city within the LA County. to identify myself as 台山人 is the same deal! oh you mentioned that 台山話 is not popular, well i never thought that it IS popular until i set foot outside of California.
SarcasTicOutcasT 3 years ago
To ivexcen: there are many people that speaks 台山話 in the various Chinatowns in North America i.e. LA, SF, Montreal, Toronto, Vancouver..etc and i only found out because i visited those places. there's nothing special about knowing how to speak Cantonese because a lot of people do...it's like the language of Southern China, even some my friends from Vietnam and 廣西(another province)know how to speak Cantonese.
SarcasTicOutcasT 3 years ago
To ivexcen: if jiangmen residents can only speak Cantonese, then it's nothing to be proud of because at least other people with a regional tone can be multilingual with one more language than jiangmen residents do. for those that are actually living in those cities (excluding you and me) 江門人 can only speak Cantonese and Mandarin, while people in 四邑 can speak Cantonese, Mandarin, and 四邑話. i dont know about you, but i'm proud that i know 4 languages.
SarcasTicOutcasT 3 years ago
台山話wasn't popular,it won't popular,havn't you go
ivexcen 4 years ago
台山話was not popular!When All is Jiangmenese
ivexcen 4 years ago
no taishanese will call themselve jiangmanese.
weidyli 4 years ago
weidyli is right. Our first word is from Toishan and Toishan is our hometown. We would never consider ourself Jiangmanese. For those of you who don't know, just ask many Toishanese and see how many considering themself as Jiangmanese. Although Toishan is part of Jiangman but this 台山人（Toishanese）is passed ancestors. Unless "ivexcen" you change your ancestors name.
gekko 4 years ago
I never call myself 江門人... I just realized that most Sei Yap people will call themselves 四邑人, but will say they speak 台山話, because 台山話 is more popular and spoken by more people.
jaychow21 4 years ago
Why alot the Chinese always look to the back! I list some example! Can you trasnlate 韓國 in english Corea? no! Japanese change Corea-Korea to put it after Japan in alphabetical order,now is Korea! Can you call Korea capital in chinese 漢城? you can't! now 首爾! Can you call 日本 in english Nippon? now is Japan!!! Can you call 中國 in english old name Chin(秦)?no! now is China(中國),,,,,,,alot the example!!!!!!! please stop call they are Taishanese,they an't!!
ivexcen 4 years ago
I have no idea what you trying to say. Can you translate 台山 in english? no, they are Toishanese.
gekko 4 years ago
wtf r u talking about? u don't make a damn sense!
chinkstah9683 3 years ago
update it please! you guy's so out! go wikipedia! update your mind!
ivexcen 4 years ago
stupid, i never heard 台山區!!!
pls check wiki - 台山市.
ngan87 4 years ago
I never heard of 台山區eighter. Is it a new 區 or you just made it up? I search 台山區 on the internet but that only the name of forum discussion.
gekko 4 years ago
wiki is shiet you noe? it full of flase lies and nothing but krap. i know cuz my bussiness tech teacher told us
chinkstah9683 3 years ago
所以 台山區：梁朝偉 鍾欣桐 胡杏兒 黃家駒 黃家強 黃貫中 林家棟 新會區：劉德華 譚詠麟 容祖兒 梁詠琪 吳浩康 趙頌茹 李克勤 方唐鏡 恩平區：鄭伊健 鄭融 開平區：關智斌 鶴山區：宋熙年 易建聯
通通都系（江門市）人！！！！ 唔系台山人！！！！！
ivexcen 4 years ago
haha "台山區", nobody call 台山區, you must a jianmenese. By the way, I never heard about jianmenese. Jianmenese means "ASSHOLE" in chinese. I do want to be an "Asshole", do you understand. 台山is a city, who give shit about JianMenese. I think you are a jianmenese idiot.....I really do not know what dialet jianmen people speak. I do not care anyway. I am a taishanese, Not a "肛门人". Thank you.
linnext 4 years ago
have no idea what r those stuff and people talkin about...
popout886 4 years ago
系wikipedia, 江門市：系由 蓬江區 | 江海區 | 新會區 | 恩平市 | 台山市 | 開平市 | 鶴山市 組成~
ivexcen 4 years ago
依加起緊一條類似新幹線既鐵路連接廣州－江門，（08年應該投入服務）再由江門起鐵路連接五邑，由此可見，五邑是江門市～
ivexcen 4 years ago
my uncle's wife was born & raised in taishan (w/ near native-level accent), but her parents are of recent shanghainese origin (don't speak any taishanese after living in the county for over 30 yrs & still don't!) but she considers herself taishanese (from being raised, grew up, & speak the language). she introduces herself as being "from taishan". If ppl can spot her nearly non-existent shanghainese accent, she will say her family roots are in shanghai.
anbncejksg 4 years ago
所以 台山區：梁朝偉 鍾欣桐 胡杏兒 黃家駒 黃家強 黃貫中 林家棟 新會區：劉德華 譚詠麟 容祖兒 梁詠琪 吳浩康 趙頌茹 李克勤 方唐鏡 恩平區：鄭伊健 鄭融 開平區：關智斌 鶴山區：宋熙年 易建聯
通通都系（江門市）人！！！！ 唔系台山人！！！！！
ivexcen 4 years ago
originally... the region was called Sze Yap(not including 江門 nor 鶴山) and most people would call themself 台山人. The reason is because there are more overseas 台山人... so most Cantonese people only know 台山, where as the other cities are less well known.
jaychow21 4 years ago
I heard that 江門 and 鶴山 were part of 新會 before and got split up.
jaychow21 4 years ago
wiki referred to the dialects of the 4 county-level cities as sze yap dialects 四邑話 & not taishan dialects 台山話. my parents say the ppl from counties other than taishan county are sze yap ppl 四邑人 & not taishan ppl 台山人.
anbncejksg 4 years ago
watch a video on youtube with Alan Tam(譚詠麟) in it and saying his origins are from Sunwui(新會) but says he speaks 台山話
jaychow21 4 years ago
don't know where the video is but origin & language sometimes don't match. i'm chinese but speaks english.
anbncejksg 4 years ago
Language and origin of a person don't have to match. I am Chinese and I speak English....you can learn it always....
Maybe Alan is from the border? Xinhui and Toishan is next to each other I think and if you live on the border, it would be easy to speak the wrong dialect.
But keep Sze Yap peoples separated please. Not all peoples of Sze Yap refer themselves as Toishan. Since my blood family is from the Guangzhou, and there was an influx of Toishanese during the 60s, we know the regional ......
MingGuoLi 3 years ago