SAW MYSTERIES: Do the FBI know Dr Gordon is Still Alive?

[DWELIVE]

well as you know in the new movie a group oof hooded people cam up behind hoffmans and bring him down and it is gorden and we don't know any one else is. so there must be a sequel so i think every one that is unknown is in that hooded group.

[doordieace5high]

@DWELIVE I have the DVD of SAW 7 and in the commentary, they specifically state that the other two masked men that capture Hoffman are Brad and Ryan from the Public Execution trap. However, the ending of Saw 7 leaves plenty of room for another sequel. Hoffman isn't dead yet, so they can easily build another plot line off of that event alone.

[IxONLYUSEmeBLADExI]

gordon in the second movie was limping he was the one who put the key in the guys eyr

[DeeyoneDudley]

Maybe, he did start the fire and someone put it out for the purpose of Jigsaw game to see if all tests in Saw V was be heartless enough to kill (Jigsaw despise murders)... The feds interviewing Malick could have been Hoffman pretending to be a federal agent. And remember he said some lawyer got him off and disappeared afterwards, that lawyer could have been Art Blank.... Or something of that nature, the possibilities are endless with Saw and the films are not in the order we think they are.

[omega00omega]

They didn't find all 8 bodies. In saw 7 the bathroom looks untouched and the corpses are still there. They would have taken them to be examined if they had been found. So the police never found Doctor Gordon's foot Nuff Said as Baaabuuu the prick once said.

[JUSTINIGHTMARE]

Also There are some scenes that never made it to SAW 7 where Dr Gordon talks with Dr Heffner and the alternative ending with no twisted ending cliffhanger at all! It was supposed to be Det Hoffman torched the workplace getting rid of evidence including himself he didn t die! He ended up stitching his mouth so he didn t need no doctor! The ending can be a dream sequence as it was in SAW 7

with Jill or have the pigface helpers turn on Dr Gordon and aid Det Hoffman which I believe it will happen!

[JUSTINIGHTMARE]

Well oddudeworld Dr Gordon is the silent apprentice that Amanda and Jigsaw that kept it quiet from him cause he would be merciful when he designed the traps as John gave chances for survival with Hoffman its live or die even if the person does it in time the victim dies like in SAW 7 !

[PIRATESOFTHEC3]

Just so you know, the Nerve Gas House was not the house that burned down, otherwise it wouldn't have returned in Saw V. Mallick did burn a building down with eight people in it, yes, but they were still alive. And that fire was before the events of Saw II, in fact it was during Saw I; it was the fire that had an alarm go off in Amanda's tape that Tapp and Sing heard.

[oddworlddude]

@PIRATESOFTHEC3

Ah, thanks for the info. But the fact that the NGH was renovated as well is pretty fishy. Then again, I wonder how Mallick would know that the eight people were still alive since he obviously wouldn't be in the building whilst it was burning.

Though the fire alarm has numerous possibilities. For all we know, Jigsaw could've gotten Obi to set it off since he was an arsonist and had helped Jigsaw in Saw II. But we'll just have to wait and see.

[PIRATESOFTHEC3]

@oddworlddude Hoffman rennovated it so no one would find it. No one would suspect him until V. Mallick knew because of the families and the trial of it that his father overturned. And the writers already cofirmed the fire Mallick caused was connected to the alarm in Saw I.

[oddworlddude]

@PIRATESOFTHEC3

I agree with the idea of Hoffman hiding the house from the police, but I've just thought of something. This is the last film and they said that pretty much all loose ends will be tied up, (and if not they said they might make a Saw VIII if there are too many unanswered questions).

But what I'm saying is that since this is the last film, maybe we'll learn how Hoffman lost his family, (except his sister)? Perhaps his family were the eight people who Mallick accidentally killed?

[oddworlddude]

@PIRATESOFTHEC3

Then again the fire alarm allegedly came from the K2K building, right? So what would his family be doing in there? I dunno, what do you think could've happened?

[PIRATESOFTHEC3]

@oddworlddude Who's family...?  I'm lost now.

[oddworlddude]

@PIRATESOFTHEC3

Hoffman's family. Sorry if I confused you.

:P

[PIRATESOFTHEC3]

@oddworlddude Hoffman only had a sister, whom we already know how she died; at the hands of Seth Baxter. Hoffman is living in the NGH so no one will know what happened there. The NGH and the house that burned down at the hands of Mallick are two completely different buildlings.

[oddworlddude]

@PIRATESOFTHEC3

That's what I mean though -- Hoffman only had a sister but how did that happen? What happened to the rest of his family? I mean, people don't appear from thin air, so did the rest of his family die somehow? What happened? I'm not saying it would be integral to the plot of the film, but it would certainly be an interesting thing to bring up.

And the NGH and the abandoned building probably are two different places thinking back on the idea, though the NGH theory was convincing.

[PIRATESOFTHEC3]

@oddworlddude Oh, I see; well that isn't integral to the plot, as you say, so personally, I could care less.

The idea was convicing, and good, but ultimately, untrue; sadly.

[shamim13333]

People are saying that Gordon used boling water to stop his bleeeding wound? Do you have nay idea how mush that would sting?. Nobody really can do that ! I don't belive it, its bullshit !!!!

[oddworlddude]

@shamim13333

It's called cauterization. It's when you use something really hot to seal a flesh wound to prevent major blood loss. Look it up on Wikipedia. It's like welding a door shut. They call it welding because you have to have something really hot to seal it with. Do you get what I mean?

And he didn't use boiling water. He used a hot steamy pipe according to those lucky people who got to see the first 8 minutes of Saw VII.

[shamim13333]

Do you mean he pushed his wound against the pipe? Do yuo have nay idea how muhs it would sting. I can understand it being sealed up but come on, its going hurt so mush it will kill him ?

[oddworlddude]

@shamim13333

Yes, it would sting but it wouldn't necessarily kill you. It's like when you have an injection - just because it stings that doesn't mean it will kill you, because whatever it does afterwards helps you get better.

Same with Gordon's leg and the pipe. Even though it will hurt him when he cauterizes his leg, his leg will actually be healed up.

[wdarksaintw]

im not good speaking english but i have to tell u this ,...erick matthews didnt cut his foot he only broke the bone but he still have it u can chek it in saw 2 ... plz watch the movies first and look closely cuz ur talking shit in ur video .. :S gosh

[oddworlddude]

@wdarksaintw

Ah, I see what you mean. It's because I said there would be two feet in the bathroom: Eric's and Gordon's. I see the mistake here. Thank you for the correction. As for the rest of the video, how am I talking shit? This would suggest that I had a different opinion to what's in the video, but I deliberately lied in the video for some reason.

How am I talking shit?

[wdarksaintw]

@oddworlddude if u make a video 4 youtube u have to watch all movies and make sure everything EVERYTHING ur saying is truth just that .. everything else was good :) dont take my comments in a bad way .. :P keep going (Y) cheers !

[oddworlddude]

@wdarksaintw

Ah, I'm not very good at interpretation, am I? And this was one of my earlier videos, so perhaps this is why it had some false information behind it. Thanks for the feedback, because now I know that I have to examine my theories thoroughly before saving and uploading them to YouTube.

Thank you.  :)

[jacks1bonnielass]

theres several holes in your theory, number one, Tapp did not die off screen. We clearly saw him and Zepp struggling with a gun, Zepp ducks down, the gun goes off and shoots Tapp in the chest, he is clearly dead or else they wouldn't have had the pic of him at the ceremony. And I seriously doubt Gordon is Jigsaw's apprentice, rather his adversary and will stop the killings once and for all.

[oddworlddude]

@jacks1bonnielass

First of all, you say there are several holes in my theory, but then only discuss one of them. What other holes are there? Second, this theory views Saw: The Game as a canonical source of Saw events, and in this game, Tapp is still alive. So if the game is canonical, then that means Tapp's death was off-screen.

[oddworlddude]

@jacks1bonnielass

Also, Jigsaw would've very clearly met Gordon and Tapp in the hallway since they were both critically wounded. Since Gordon's body has remained missing ever since, we can only assume that Jigsaw helped Gordon. But remember, Jigsaw is against murder, so he would probably help Tapp as well.

Plus, Gordon has good reason to be helping Jigsaw, but no-one said it had to be a voluntary thing. Gordon may be indirectly helping Jigsaw as part of a game to find his family.

[jacks1bonnielass]

@oddworlddude I guess we will find out on Oct. 29th to put all doubt aside

[jacks1bonnielass]

@oddworlddude another thing I noticed, the brace that Hoffman brought to Det Matthews, thats easy. It wasn't elaborate, afterall, Jigsaw was an engineer & if he could've built most of the traps, he could've built a simple leg brace.Hell Hoffman could've built that. And the med equipment? Anyone who's had a family member dying of terminal cancer knows that the docs give them med equipment for home use. He didn't have everything, bc Lynn asked Amanda about a few drugs they did not possess

[oddworlddude]

@jacks1bonnielass

Jigsaw couldn't have built the leg brace. All of his traps are designed to kill his victims, with a chance of escape integrated into the machine. A leg brace is designed to heal a severed, (or at the very least broken) leg. I doubt Jigsaw would've built the leg brace, especially since he only started using surgical skills to build traps after the first SAW, when Dr Gordon disappeared.

[jacks1bonnielass]

@oddworlddude Like I said, Hoffman could've built the brace for crying out loud, it was simple. Hell I COULD'VE done THAT good of a job lol Remember Saw 5? Hoffman built The Pendulum Trap for Seth Baxter to setup Jigsaw. I'm sorry but if he can do that, he can build a damn brace, afterall, HE was the one who needed Det. Mathews for their game w/Art Blanc, and he and Jill were the ones chosen to continue Jigsaw's legacy.

[oddworlddude]

@jacks1bonnielass

Looks like I've lost this debate by a long shot. :P

You make a good point here now that I stop and think about it.

[oddworlddude]

@jacks1bonnielass

If Jigsaw is so good at the surgical parts of his work then why doesn't he use this expertise until Dr Gordon goes missing? In Saw III, when Lynn Denlon starts talking about John's brain tumours with medical vocabulary, Jigsaw doesn't have a clue what she's talking about. So he clearly wouldn't know how to build a leg brace.

[jacks1bonnielass]

@oddworlddude where is the correlation btwn Lynn talking about mytosis and specific parts of the brain in medical jargon, and him building a brace? Sounds like you are looking for something that isn't there. Hell when my cousin broke his leg in the woods, he was 15 miles from civilization and he had to build a splint and he had ABSOLUTELY NO medical training. And he's not a genius lol but Jigsaw is

[oddworlddude]

@jacks1bonnielass

Wow, congrats to your cousin for pulling that off. As for the medical jargon, I'm trying to say that since Jigsaw doesn't understand surgical words, then he probably can't do surgery, which would mean he can't build the surgical parts to the traps, but I guess if your cousin could build a leg brace, then perhaps Jigsaw could build one? Lol I dunno at this point. :P

[oddworlddude]

@jacks1bonnielass

As for the point you made with the medical equipment, this could work up until Saw III. In Saw III, the police know that John Kramer is Jigsaw, so how would he get all that medical stuff into his lair? He would need someone on the inside to smuggle this equipment out for him. I mean, no-one said Gordon hadn't been found alive anywhere from the end of SAW to the start of Saw III, so Gordon could very well be getting this equipment from Jigsaw, as it comes from his hospital.

[666Porphyria666]

PM if you want to discuss this!

[666Porphyria666]

I agree with Bennybomb. The nerve gas house is not the house that was burnt down by Mallick.

[bennybomb92]

the neave gas house was not the house mallick burnt down. u got ur facts mixed up. the house fire was b4 the events of saw 1 with Dr gordon and Adam. the house they were talkin about was one of the building john owned. remember saw 4 how art blank said we have 40 low income familys moving in. one of those building got burnt down and 8 people were living in there

[oddworlddude]

@bennybomb92

Good point but if you watch Jeager1999's Fire Theory, Mallick was given an ounce of heroine to burn the house down. Why would the dealer want the house burnt down, and why would it be significant if the eight people mentioned in the theory weren't the eight people who were burnt to a crisp?