Cool! Love the reflection of the headstock in the pane behind you. It caught me by surprise and I wasn't sure what it was until I watched in full-screen. One thing your comprehensive notes and replies overlook, though, is the tendency for the 3rd course descant - often .008" diameter - to snap, on 12-strings strung "normally"; and thus removing a 2c follows. I get round it by using a lighter-gauge, wound 3c in unison--a solution I read in a library book on the history and development of guitars.
another gem..the switches in feel into and back out of the march feel are terrific...I had run across the removed string idea a while back but I haven't spent any time on it. I've been playing more open G 12 than "straight" tuning lately
Hmmmm. Never had thunk of that. I figured 6 and 12 were enough, but people have to try something new all the time and you made that baby cry in a good way....
What is the reason for not using the G and B strings on the 12-string? Is it to get a different sound when you bend the strings? I would have never thought of doing something like that my self. Is there other guitarist that do that as well?
It's to make things easier; note the frequent bending of the second string - with a double course this would be very difficult because bending a double course can lead to sounds that are off-key (if one of the strings is bended more than the other - listen to the note at 2.12 and you'll hear what I mean)
If you play a double course third and fourth string from above (hitting the thinnest G string first) you get that jinglyjangly sound which does not belong in this style of play.
@daddystovepipe That's what I was trying to figure out. I have two 12 strings and always just keep all the string on myself, even when I do a lot of bending. I listen to a lot of The Byrds and Roger McGuinn bends his string on some songs, but he also keeps all of the strings on. But, I noticed with the style you were playing in this song that maybe those particular strings were not necessary or at least made is easier. It also gave the tune a different sound.
Lonnie Johnson did remove strings from his 12-string guitar - in his famous photo (wearing his pinstriped trousers - you can see that picture on this screen - 4th in the right hand corner) you can see that the first and second course have only one string (you'll need a good quality reproduction to see it) - this setup is also very clearly audible in several of his recordings between 1926-32
There are examples of 9-string guitars made in the 20ies.
@daddystovepipe That is very interesting. It funny, sometimes when you think all there is to know about guitars and something like that comes up. Are they really built as 9 string guitars or just 12 string guitar with out 3 strings to give it a different sound?
they were built as 9-string guitars - removing strings from a 12-string guitar can get you in a bit of trouble with the string spacing....it's not equal in that case.
@daddystovepipe That's pretty interesting. I actually never knew this information about the 12 string and will look up those pictures. I really like old blues guitar and never know about the removing of a string to give it a different sound. But, it does make a lot of sense after seeing your video. So, thanks for showing me a different way of looking at the 12 string guitar.
Excellent sound. Love this style of blues
bkm241 4 months ago
daddy has stove his pipe, very good
potatoepeter1 1 year ago
That's a great sound with the two strings removed. Has a real 'Bronnzy' feel.
simpletunes2 1 year ago
Cool! Love the reflection of the headstock in the pane behind you. It caught me by surprise and I wasn't sure what it was until I watched in full-screen. One thing your comprehensive notes and replies overlook, though, is the tendency for the 3rd course descant - often .008" diameter - to snap, on 12-strings strung "normally"; and thus removing a 2c follows. I get round it by using a lighter-gauge, wound 3c in unison--a solution I read in a library book on the history and development of guitars.
Folkmill 1 year ago
another gem..the switches in feel into and back out of the march feel are terrific...I had run across the removed string idea a while back but I haven't spent any time on it. I've been playing more open G 12 than "straight" tuning lately
rayoll 1 year ago
Great, its good to a 12 string guitar being picked, even if its not a full set
icespeckledhen 1 year ago
Mr Stovepipe another fine job you did on this one! I Like ! :)
JesseMathews 1 year ago
The stovepipe is still smokin' .... ;)
CerylTrini 1 year ago
Hmmmm. Never had thunk of that. I figured 6 and 12 were enough, but people have to try something new all the time and you made that baby cry in a good way....
UkesterBrown 1 year ago
I could watch you endlessly. Thank you for posting this!
ulnartwitch 1 year ago
Prachtig gespeeld Carl! Die 12 string klinkt stukken beter als die van mij :-) Groeten Tim Pan Alley
Tim5768393 1 year ago
What is the reason for not using the G and B strings on the 12-string? Is it to get a different sound when you bend the strings? I would have never thought of doing something like that my self. Is there other guitarist that do that as well?
fatcatbuzz 1 year ago
@fatcatbuzz
It's to make things easier; note the frequent bending of the second string - with a double course this would be very difficult because bending a double course can lead to sounds that are off-key (if one of the strings is bended more than the other - listen to the note at 2.12 and you'll hear what I mean)
If you play a double course third and fourth string from above (hitting the thinnest G string first) you get that jinglyjangly sound which does not belong in this style of play.
daddystovepipe 1 year ago
@daddystovepipe That's what I was trying to figure out. I have two 12 strings and always just keep all the string on myself, even when I do a lot of bending. I listen to a lot of The Byrds and Roger McGuinn bends his string on some songs, but he also keeps all of the strings on. But, I noticed with the style you were playing in this song that maybe those particular strings were not necessary or at least made is easier. It also gave the tune a different sound.
fatcatbuzz 1 year ago
@fatcatbuzz
Lonnie Johnson did remove strings from his 12-string guitar - in his famous photo (wearing his pinstriped trousers - you can see that picture on this screen - 4th in the right hand corner) you can see that the first and second course have only one string (you'll need a good quality reproduction to see it) - this setup is also very clearly audible in several of his recordings between 1926-32
There are examples of 9-string guitars made in the 20ies.
daddystovepipe 1 year ago
@daddystovepipe That is very interesting. It funny, sometimes when you think all there is to know about guitars and something like that comes up. Are they really built as 9 string guitars or just 12 string guitar with out 3 strings to give it a different sound?
fatcatbuzz 1 year ago
@fatcatbuzz
they were built as 9-string guitars - removing strings from a 12-string guitar can get you in a bit of trouble with the string spacing....it's not equal in that case.
daddystovepipe 1 year ago
@daddystovepipe That's pretty interesting. I actually never knew this information about the 12 string and will look up those pictures. I really like old blues guitar and never know about the removing of a string to give it a different sound. But, it does make a lot of sense after seeing your video. So, thanks for showing me a different way of looking at the 12 string guitar.
fatcatbuzz 1 year ago
Nice. Is that a Taylor with harmonic strings on the inner 4 or the top (treble) 4 strings?
ddanze 1 year ago
@ddanze
hi David, please check the description.
daddystovepipe 1 year ago