There are a lot of liberal towns in MT that tend to rock the conservative boat. Thank you, TYT, for giving a shoutout to my large, yet lightly populatet state for doing the right thing.
Montana has a habit of telling the government to go fuck itself. I've been in 45+ of the 50 states and I can tell you...a lot of federal laws that other states need...doesn't apply to Montana...and is usually considered either nonsense and we don't want it....or common sense...and we don't need it. But whatever state you're in...you really shouldn't like this Citizens United anyways. Its rubbish.
The ulitimate problem here is that corporate entities have big bucks to donate and this results in politicians working for corporate leaders and not for citizens. All corporate donations should be illegal.
No, Citizens United was an excuse the 5 republican members oft the Supreme Court used to declare that corparations are people and that money equals speech, therefore it said Congress could not pass any laws prohibiting unlimited secret corporate donations to political candidates. Previously there were many limits and disclosure rules around the bribery of politicians.
LEGAL definition of person: "1) a human being. 2) a corporation treated as having the rights and obligations of a person. Counties and cities can be treated as a person in the same manner as a corporation. However, corporations, counties and cities cannot have the emotions of humans such as malice, and therefore are not liable for punitive damages unless there is a statute authorizing the award of punitive damages."
Corporations are not people... If they were, Rick Perry would have already executed one in Texas by now... God knows there are plenty of them who deserve the death penalty...
@norvman The thing is, when the FEC told Citizens United that they couldn't air an anti-Hillary Clinton documentary on television, it was not some walking, talking, bug-eyed, living logo that walked straight out of a School House Rocks infomercial and into the courtroom to defend its 1st Amendment rights; it was a person.
A Constitutional Amendment to get the money out of politics is needed, but the sloppy and vague wording of "corporations aren't people" is problematic because they kind of are
Look, it's just obscene in the first place to suggest that corporations are people. Of couse they are not. And if we are going to pretend they are then I want them paying tax rates on their revenue and at the same rates as I do. They will instantly claim they are not people. They are tools for business organization.
Barack Obama should nominate the entire Montana Supreme Court to the U.S. Supreme Court (as there are technically no limits on how many justices serve on the Supreme Court provided that the Senate confirms the nomination).
@safewaysecurity Because I know the founding father's did not anticipate the current election process. Because I believe the doctrine of one person one vote is much more important than trying to be a strict adherent to a document over 200 years old. Because I don't believe that corporations and unions deserve the same amount of protection in the political arena as an individual citizen. Also TYT, I appreciate the corporation bashing, but its not all about corporations.
@xXTheProRookieXx I'm confused. Do you support amending the first amendment or abolishing it and replacing it? That's fine even though I disagree but if that's the case then you should be advocating for a constitutional amendment and not bashing a decision which falls in line with the amendment and previous 1st amendment jurisprudence.
@july7nyc Well when I read the first amendment it starts with " Congress shall make no law " that's pretty clear. They can't make a law that deals with restricting speech. Corporations are not people but the first amendment does not say it's a right only for people it's says that congress has no right to restrict the listed activities. Also all a corporation is is essentially a group of people in legal writing. By denying them free speech you are infringing on freedom of assembly as well.
@safewaysecurity it depends on where you stand with corporate personhood. i don't happen to think corporations are people, therefore i don't think they deserve first amendment rights
@pinkycheeks Well when I read the first amendment it starts with " Congress shall make no law " that's pretty clear. They can't make a law that deals with restricting speech. Corporations are not people but the first amendment does not say it's a right only for people it's says that congress has no right to restrict the listed activities. Also all a corporation is is essentially a group of people in legal writing. By denying them free speech you are infringing on freedom of assembly as well.
Your first obvious error is that bribery and money are not speech. Your second is that I can start 40 corporations tomorrow and have no employee in any of them; so you think I just created 40 people. This is a simple construct to enable political bribery.
@dtorfleming Citizen's United wasn't really about contributions. They put out a documentary that dealt with Hillary Clinton. It took money to make that documentary. Are you saying that a documentary that exposes a candidate and puts out a point of view is not speech because it costs money to produce the video?
You mean the basis for Citizens United wasn't about donations. The case was supposed to be about the Hillary movie, but the court ruled significantly beyond that scope to invent new aspects that were completely unrelated.
And it may be a form of speech to make a movie, but it is not speech for Koch Industries to make secret donations through anonymous PACs in exchange for influence in that politicians agenda.
@dtorfleming Everything takes money. It takes money to produce a documentary it takes money to put out advertisements. You didn't answer my question. Should it be illegal for a group to put out a video about a candidate because it cost money?
@safewaysecurity Huh? This is not about whether a video criticizing a politian is legal or not, it's about whether corporations can donate unlimited amount of money to politicians. Corporations are incredibly more powerful and influencial than any regular citizen, and financing a video is far from being similar to giving millions and millions of dollars to a bunch of politicians so that they pass laws or contracts that favor your business over competition.
The governor of Wisconsin will take a Koch brothers call at any hour or rush to their mansion to meet them. Will the governor take your call? Why is that? Is that what you want for American democracy? Is that democracy at all?
A law is a threat of violence. If a company gets control of legislation, then a disproportionate amount of control exists: the corporation may now threaten people, but none of said people may threaten the corporation. I can't speak for the conservative mindset at large, but supporting the right to lobby doesn't make sense to me, and I'm a die-hard capitalist.
While I agree with cenk that CU must be overturn I can't help but realize the hyspocriy. If the issue was abortion or another scoial issue Cenk wouldn't care about states rights and has proved it in cases talking about abortion. he kind of sounds like Newt G when he spoke about ignoring orders from the SC. While I wish reversing bad decision made by courts could be easier and faster you can't pick and choose which cases you support States rights because they fit your personal beliefs.
Actually Cenk is not being hypocritical. The liberal/progessive position(my position too) is that individual freedoms are to be respected, whether it's thru the states and/or by federal action. We believe in a comprehensive approach when it comes to having a government that respects our freedom.
The liberal position is that abortion is the individual choice of a woman, because it's her body. Also the liberal position is that corporations CANNOT trump people.
"Corporations are people my friend." And normal people are machines that can be used and abused by corporations in the persute of happiness. Only in America.
A corporation is merely a group of people with a collective investment. Think of what a right is. It's something the government is barred from infringing on. Political speech is one of those guaranteed in the constitution. The government cannot prohibit groups of people from making political speech or paying for it any more than they can to individual people. If a corporation does not have the right than neither can a union or a political party. Or even the young Turks.
All of a sudden this guy is an advocate of state sovereig... excuse me, states' rights?
I don't understand how a person can continually contradict themselves w/out any apparent realization (& to be so blind to one's own hypocrisy to actually call out some one else). When people advocate states' rights concerning issues he is a proponent of, like abortion, he takes a completely opposite stance.
Guy forget conservatives, check yourself. Either you're in favor of state's rights or you aren't.
@mundie33 Cenk's opinion on this issue concerning state's rights is exactly opposite to Cenk's opinion concerning states' rights on the issue of abortion. You can easily verify this by viewing his comments on that issue by going through this channels video history.
So, sorry you thoughtless partisan fool, reality bites.
Cenk wants abortion to be legal in all 50. He believes every state should respect a woman's right to choose (as they should). If Roe v Wade were overturned he would applaud any state that challenged that.
Cenk wants Citizens United overturned. He wants any and all states to challenge Citizens United for the piece of shit decision it is.
I don't see the conflict. Sorry there troll, have you slapped yourself yet today?
@UtubeMyAccountName how is that hypocritical? the whole idea of 'states rights' is a conservative ploy to undermine social reform.
i see where you're coming from but ideologically he's totally 100% pure. roe v wade was one of the greatest scotus decisions - citizens united quite possibly the worst.
what you're failing to see is that he actually realizes how the scotus works and how laws are made and see this as a first step in overturning that terrible CU decision by constitutional amendme
He is supporting the idea of states' rights now ONLY because he agrees with these states on this issue, not because he actually believes in states rights. At best it's opportunistic, but in his case it's hypocritical, because he has actually spoken against states' rights (often) in the past.
Either Roe v Wade was just as bad a decision as Citizens United (and for the exact same reasons), or it was just as good. You can't have it both ways.
Wow, the GOP is going to be VERY supportive of Montana's Supreme Court to allow Montana to Govern by their own "State Laws"....
Oh wait... No that's not right, the GOP only wants "States Rights" when the States are doing exactly what the GOP wants them to do...
Montana, You Keep Fighting That Terrible Piece Of Legislature That Takes Away The Voices Of The American People And Gives It To The Highest Bidding Corporations & Their Lobbyist.
If it's a federal law, they can't opt out of it as a state, only as individuals. But it's great to have them join the fight to overturn Citizens United.
The Roman Republic started out as democratic and small. Over the next several hundred years their government grew and grew until it was much larger than what it was originally. Nearing the end it was controlled almost completely by the rich, and every politician was owned by someone rich. They turned into a Empire with single emperor that ruled their nation.
This is just one more reason and proof that big government and bureaucracy doesn't work to the people's best interest, and one more reason why you should give the middle finger to the establishment by voting for Ron Paul.
@toastm4n you really think the SIZE of the government has anything to do with this? ron paul might SAY he advocates small government which leaves people alone, and yet he's all for removing the right of choice for what a woman can do with her own uterus.
ron paul is a fucking hypocrite. he wants small government for the corporations and big government for the little people so he can spit on them and tell them how to live according to his bullshit ideology.
All this talk about Montana makes me want Spinach Dip. Montana's makes the best Spinach Dip, and they serve it with deep fried pita. You can get it baked too, but it's so much better deep fried. And you can get as many refills of pita as you want.
(For any Americans out there, Montana's is a restaurant in Canada. If you think it's weird that a Canadian restaurant would be named after a US state, look up Swiss Chalet and Boston Pizza)
@BrandonSchleifer Nice! I'm from Boston and I never knew that a chain called "Boston Pizza" existed. Thanks for dropping some knowledge from the north:p
@BrandonSchleifer You are one fuckin' weird dude. Either that or you are advertising for a company you have an interest in. WTF are you actually doing, just spanking it randomly? You should be ashamed you represent Canada.
Yay, Montana! This makes me sad that I'll be leaving my beloved home state in February for a conservative county in Minnesota. At least its not Bachman's district though. And MN is a sometimes blue state.
This is great news, but it's still not enough. 48 other states still support this bullshit court decision. Alot of people don't even know about citizens united, the word about this ruling needs to go out.
As long as union money is taken out of politics as well then Cenk is right. Can't believe I said that but I did. Still can't stand the fact he failed to mention union influence. FAIL
Let me tell you, as a citizen from Portugal, a country where not only elections are funded by the public BUT also where lobbying is illegal, that getting money out of politics will never happen. It's not a magic solution to anything, the corruption will still be there, democracy will still be something that happens to entertain the masses every 4 years.
Is it an improvement over the current system? All signs point to yes. Will it fix anything important? All signs point to no.
@RudyBeoulve I can't agree. Looking at the systemic corruption of the US political system, I think it's fairly obvious getting corporate money out of politics will have a significant effect on how the country is run. No one is saying it's a cure-all, no one thinks all political corruption will disappear, but if corporations like Goldman Sachs can't buy politicians, or employ them after a very friendly career, of course we've fixed something important.
@Fangtorn The problem is that everything you described still happens in countries (I speak for mine) where everything like that is illegal. If you don't mind, I'm going to send you a link by. It's in Portuguese, but I'll translate what matters, everything else is just numbers. Big numbers.
I'm not saying it's not a good change, I'm saying it won't stop Goldman Sachs from buying your politicians. You just won't know about it because they'll also have to pay to cover it up.
As long as you give other human beings power over the rest then they will be bought. So getting money out of politics is laughable. Thats why government if any should be local and small. Less to corrupt and less damage when it does corrupt.
I'll never in all my yearrs understand how the ACLU supported citizen's united. They're an organization i have imense respect for but i just can't understand why they'd stab the people in the back like that
Cenk, wolf-pac is forgetting the most important part of what needs to be changed. Check out the Berry Amendment: MONEY IS NOT SPEECH; corporations are not people.
The most important part of that amendment is money is not speech. Your amendment does not go far enough. Please, wolf-pac, adopt the Berry amendment: MONEY IS NOT SPEECH; corporations are not people.
Government should pay campaign expenses. Yes this would bring tax up but then you just tax the rich more (not the poor cause that's just stupid) and stop funding unnecessary wars. This would take money out of politics and essentially mean that if a politician accepts corporate money it is a bribe (which is unethical and illegal).
Citizens united. Is that the law where the united states supreme court basically committed treason by allowing unlimited political donations from corporations? That is treason in any democracy
Clarence Thomas needs to be investigated for ethics violations. He is very partisan and corrupt. He is always that fifth vote. How many times have you seen the SCOTUS vote 5 to 4? He is for the corporations not for the people.
@Sylinic You heard wrong, Ron's all for removing federal power to the states. BUT if a state decided to turn into a mini-fascist state, hey, that's up to the states, and there should be no recourse in the Federal system
@JasonCrowell Well he'd give the power to the states because that's what the constitution dictated, but he personally is vehemently opposed to it, and we both know you're not being rational and that won't / can't happen.
But enjoy your fallacy and voting for a blue warmonger who will fuck you in the ass for another four years.
@Sylinic Who's being irrational? He'd give the power to the states, and then if they chose to become a fascist state, they could. He may be for personal rights, however, he's opposed to having a recourse to the Federal government if the State violates your rights. The Ron Paul theory of interpreting the Constitution more resembles the failed Articles of Confederation
This is why some white nationalist and xtian dominionists have latched on to Ron, to let them take control of states
@JasonCrowell (I do not, however, think he would be able to succeed at returning us to the Articles era, there are too many checks and balances against the devolution of the Federal state)
I'll vote for the "blue warmonger" who doesn't seem too mongerish, vs a guy that would be truly, spectacularly useless
@Sylinic Ron Paul big on personal freedoms? Like, say, abortion? Do your research into his view on abortion, as well as his voting record in the subject.
@criskity Lmao so dogmatic, dude. Personal freedoms stop at yourself. I'm pro-choice, but I respect his opinion, and he's right, but I don't value life as he does. In abortion you're killing another being, it's not a matter of "My body".
Corporations butcher "beings" on an industrial scale for hamburgers, do some critical thinking, a human featus is no different from a pig faetus during the period abortion is allowed.
Except for the fact that both are neither pig nor human but practically the same thing.
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And I need not go into the outlandish hypocrisy of the War&Death Party to rant about individual rights' yet prohibiting this, about free market yet interfering in private abortion clinics and have the most deplorable policies towards people who actually live.
"..War&Death Party to rant about individual rights' yet prohibiting this, about free market yet interfering in private abortion clinics and have the most deplorable policies towards people who actually live."
what do free markets have to do with private abortion clinics? Free market societies can not be turned into free for all jungles, social standards must prevail
socialist Sweden has turned you into a far left monster, sad to say
The whole point of the free market is that it is a free for all jungle, oh you dumb little genie.
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Alas I agree, social standards must prevail and hence no free market should exist on areas including health care, social services, law enforcement, defense, electricity supply etc.
"... a human featus is no different from a pig faetus during the period abortion is allowed."
obviously you speak for yourself! Too bad your mommy didn't abort you and turn you into a nice pork ham!!
it's easy to understand the mass killings of tens of millions by far left pigs such as Stalin and Mao, like you they saw their victims as mere pigs not humans!
You US pro lifers are a joke! Your Agent Orage crime part I+II are unpunished yet you dare to pose yourselfs as protectors of unborn life. You cannot process what an abominable joke you are.
@criskity I keep asking that same question of Ron Paul fans...they think its somehow better that he wants to take this power from the federal gov't and hand it over to the states.I'm saying I don't care whether its federal or state gov't, neither have any business making a decision in any woman's womb. The decision to bring new life into this world is an important one, & should be a woman's choice over her own body.
You twats are the most pathetic jokes that breath these days. PUNISH those who´re responsible for Agent Orange part I+II!
Oh forgot you´re too damn retarded to understand how US politics has caused this in the first place! Go prayin´and hope "god" holds a comfortable place for cynic hypocrits like you.
all this talk about my being a ...(gulp!!).. troll!! Where and when has it been established that "trolling" is bad?? You little hypocrite do it all the time to bash/smear right wingers!
I had a stupid far left clown even post a comment to my profile claiming that the internet would be a much safer place if trolling was outlawed!! haha,..just how stupid/delusional/perverted/deranged/out of touch with reality are far left assclowns?
all this crap from an ignorant citizen of a Country that started 2 world wars killing tens of millions innocent civilians including children, invented ovens to kill Jews by the millions, had numerous killing squads shooting civilians dumping them into mass graves, bombing numerous cities etc!
don't you dare talk about US politics, how about German politics that brought in the Nazis and supported them?
Using you dimwitted logic, are German people precluded from social views?
@genie0390 like the US is any better than Germany. the US slaughtered millions of native americans using total war tactics, the US has overthrown the governments of various countries just to install US friendly dictators with horrid human rights records, and finally the US fire bombed entire japanese cities of non military importance with the knowledge that most japanese buildings are "made of paper" and that the fire caused by the bombs made more damage than the bombs themselves.
the US slaughtered millions of natives? wonder how many millions Germanic tribes couple thousand yrs ago slaughtered for the territory they now occupy? How about the Germanic tribes that slaughtered ancient Romans, destroyed western Roman empire?
US installed the modern Governments of Germany and Japan, btw!
as for bombing of Japanese cities, US didn't start the war
@genie0390 the Germanic people were fleeing from the mongols who were in east Europe by 1279 and the Romans did not accept them as refugees, many of these tribes banded together in desperation and attacked the Romans yes, but they had good reason. besides the two of those tribes would settle in Britain ever heard of the anglos and the saxons? by your own logic white americans have blood on there hands.
Heh, the story of Montana reminds me of that one Brad Pitt movie.
NaziGOPBallmer 1 month ago
No more purchasing politicians !
earlsgirlblack 1 month ago
@SSJ3Ulcer Thanks for the info...
norvman 1 month ago
Maybe the motivation behind the Montana decision should be a national story...
MyTemporaryAccount88 1 month ago
There are a lot of liberal towns in MT that tend to rock the conservative boat. Thank you, TYT, for giving a shoutout to my large, yet lightly populatet state for doing the right thing.
MetalGearFool 1 month ago
"Corporations are people" is giving privileges to corporations without them having any responsibility, typical corrupt capitalists.
underbjorn 2 months ago
If corporations are people, then why can't we send them to jail?!
godonlyknows13 2 months ago 2
Montana has a habit of telling the government to go fuck itself. I've been in 45+ of the 50 states and I can tell you...a lot of federal laws that other states need...doesn't apply to Montana...and is usually considered either nonsense and we don't want it....or common sense...and we don't need it. But whatever state you're in...you really shouldn't like this Citizens United anyways. Its rubbish.
bowwing333 2 months ago 3
FUCK YES!!!!!
Nejitheultimate 2 months ago
Let's get the money out of politics. Wolf-pac.com. Please donate money.
hofifut 2 months ago
The ulitimate problem here is that corporate entities have big bucks to donate and this results in politicians working for corporate leaders and not for citizens. All corporate donations should be illegal.
dtorfleming 2 months ago
Didn't citizens united make what has been going on for over 100 years just more transparent?
enigma1990 2 months ago
@enigma1990
No, Citizens United was an excuse the 5 republican members oft the Supreme Court used to declare that corparations are people and that money equals speech, therefore it said Congress could not pass any laws prohibiting unlimited secret corporate donations to political candidates. Previously there were many limits and disclosure rules around the bribery of politicians.
dtorfleming 2 months ago
LEGAL definition of person: "1) a human being. 2) a corporation treated as having the rights and obligations of a person. Counties and cities can be treated as a person in the same manner as a corporation. However, corporations, counties and cities cannot have the emotions of humans such as malice, and therefore are not liable for punitive damages unless there is a statute authorizing the award of punitive damages."
ucancallmetheseeker 2 months ago
Corporations are not people... If they were, Rick Perry would have already executed one in Texas by now... God knows there are plenty of them who deserve the death penalty...
norvman 2 months ago 41
@norvman You're wrong! Romney said, "Corporations are people, my friend." And he was right, because the Supreme Court backs up what Romney said.
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@norvman The thing is, when the FEC told Citizens United that they couldn't air an anti-Hillary Clinton documentary on television, it was not some walking, talking, bug-eyed, living logo that walked straight out of a School House Rocks infomercial and into the courtroom to defend its 1st Amendment rights; it was a person.
A Constitutional Amendment to get the money out of politics is needed, but the sloppy and vague wording of "corporations aren't people" is problematic because they kind of are
SSJ3Ulcer 2 months ago
@SSJ3Ulcer
Look, it's just obscene in the first place to suggest that corporations are people. Of couse they are not. And if we are going to pretend they are then I want them paying tax rates on their revenue and at the same rates as I do. They will instantly claim they are not people. They are tools for business organization.
dtorfleming 2 months ago
@norvman
Here here.
justanotherbum007 1 week ago
This is AWESOME.
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Barack Obama should nominate the entire Montana Supreme Court to the U.S. Supreme Court (as there are technically no limits on how many justices serve on the Supreme Court provided that the Senate confirms the nomination).
neacej1 2 months ago 2
I wonder what Deaf People think when they see the Subtitles on this video ...
shamii1 2 months ago 32
@shamii1 Fuck the Jews?
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shamii1 2 months ago
I LOVE IT!
MTVVH1sucks 2 months ago
Montana to US Supreme Court - FUCK OFF!
chrlpolk 2 months ago
@airthrow How could they fuck us over without govt help? They really can't do it without taking massive amounts of risk.
JackofOneTrade567 2 months ago
I don't understand how you can be against the Citizens United decision and still support the first amendment.
safewaysecurity 2 months ago
@safewaysecurity Because I know the founding father's did not anticipate the current election process. Because I believe the doctrine of one person one vote is much more important than trying to be a strict adherent to a document over 200 years old. Because I don't believe that corporations and unions deserve the same amount of protection in the political arena as an individual citizen. Also TYT, I appreciate the corporation bashing, but its not all about corporations.
xXTheProRookieXx 2 months ago
@xXTheProRookieXx I'm confused. Do you support amending the first amendment or abolishing it and replacing it? That's fine even though I disagree but if that's the case then you should be advocating for a constitutional amendment and not bashing a decision which falls in line with the amendment and previous 1st amendment jurisprudence.
safewaysecurity 2 months ago
@safewaysecurity Because corporations are not people so the first amendment doesn't apply to them. Duh.
july7nyc 2 months ago
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@july7nyc Well when I read the first amendment it starts with " Congress shall make no law " that's pretty clear. They can't make a law that deals with restricting speech. Corporations are not people but the first amendment does not say it's a right only for people it's says that congress has no right to restrict the listed activities. Also all a corporation is is essentially a group of people in legal writing. By denying them free speech you are infringing on freedom of assembly as well.
safewaysecurity 2 months ago
@safewaysecurity it depends on where you stand with corporate personhood. i don't happen to think corporations are people, therefore i don't think they deserve first amendment rights
pinkycheeks 2 months ago
@pinkycheeks Well when I read the first amendment it starts with " Congress shall make no law " that's pretty clear. They can't make a law that deals with restricting speech. Corporations are not people but the first amendment does not say it's a right only for people it's says that congress has no right to restrict the listed activities. Also all a corporation is is essentially a group of people in legal writing. By denying them free speech you are infringing on freedom of assembly as well.
safewaysecurity 2 months ago
@safewaysecurity
Your first obvious error is that bribery and money are not speech. Your second is that I can start 40 corporations tomorrow and have no employee in any of them; so you think I just created 40 people. This is a simple construct to enable political bribery.
dtorfleming 2 months ago
@dtorfleming Citizen's United wasn't really about contributions. They put out a documentary that dealt with Hillary Clinton. It took money to make that documentary. Are you saying that a documentary that exposes a candidate and puts out a point of view is not speech because it costs money to produce the video?
safewaysecurity 2 months ago
@safewaysecurity
You mean the basis for Citizens United wasn't about donations. The case was supposed to be about the Hillary movie, but the court ruled significantly beyond that scope to invent new aspects that were completely unrelated.
And it may be a form of speech to make a movie, but it is not speech for Koch Industries to make secret donations through anonymous PACs in exchange for influence in that politicians agenda.
dtorfleming 2 months ago
@dtorfleming Everything takes money. It takes money to produce a documentary it takes money to put out advertisements. You didn't answer my question. Should it be illegal for a group to put out a video about a candidate because it cost money?
safewaysecurity 2 months ago
@safewaysecurity Huh? This is not about whether a video criticizing a politian is legal or not, it's about whether corporations can donate unlimited amount of money to politicians. Corporations are incredibly more powerful and influencial than any regular citizen, and financing a video is far from being similar to giving millions and millions of dollars to a bunch of politicians so that they pass laws or contracts that favor your business over competition.
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@safewaysecurity
The governor of Wisconsin will take a Koch brothers call at any hour or rush to their mansion to meet them. Will the governor take your call? Why is that? Is that what you want for American democracy? Is that democracy at all?
dtorfleming 2 months ago
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Cenk and the rest of TYT lost all credibility the moment he appeared on MSNBC. That's all.
mattyd723 2 months ago
2 words... Buddy Roemer... hop i spelled his name right... ha!
1ConcernedCitizen83 2 months ago
@1ConcernedCitizen83 yeah but you didn't spell hope right
crazy4daisy01 2 months ago
@crazy4daisy01 Lmao! I know, right?
july7nyc 2 months ago
@1ConcernedCitizen83 Roemer said he would choose Joe Lieberman to be his VP. That makes Roemer invalid by default.
Solarfactor 2 months ago
A law is a threat of violence. If a company gets control of legislation, then a disproportionate amount of control exists: the corporation may now threaten people, but none of said people may threaten the corporation. I can't speak for the conservative mindset at large, but supporting the right to lobby doesn't make sense to me, and I'm a die-hard capitalist.
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rocky19421 2 months ago
Are there any available homes and Montana?
Tupacca10 2 months ago
While I agree with cenk that CU must be overturn I can't help but realize the hyspocriy. If the issue was abortion or another scoial issue Cenk wouldn't care about states rights and has proved it in cases talking about abortion. he kind of sounds like Newt G when he spoke about ignoring orders from the SC. While I wish reversing bad decision made by courts could be easier and faster you can't pick and choose which cases you support States rights because they fit your personal beliefs.
jerrykobelakers 2 months ago
@jerrykobelakers
Actually Cenk is not being hypocritical. The liberal/progessive position(my position too) is that individual freedoms are to be respected, whether it's thru the states and/or by federal action. We believe in a comprehensive approach when it comes to having a government that respects our freedom.
The liberal position is that abortion is the individual choice of a woman, because it's her body. Also the liberal position is that corporations CANNOT trump people.
willia3r 2 months ago
@jerrykobelakers
Unfortunately in this era of soundbite media and hyper partisan winner-take-all politics, these original political positions tend to get muddled.
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"Corporations are people my friend." And normal people are machines that can be used and abused by corporations in the persute of happiness. Only in America.
dmarkham123 2 months ago
A corporation is merely a group of people with a collective investment. Think of what a right is. It's something the government is barred from infringing on. Political speech is one of those guaranteed in the constitution. The government cannot prohibit groups of people from making political speech or paying for it any more than they can to individual people. If a corporation does not have the right than neither can a union or a political party. Or even the young Turks.
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What would be the best case scenario here would be for the other 48 State Supreme Courts to band together to issue a challenge to this decision.
At a minimum make them OWN it - make them DEFEND it and MAKE IT PUBLIC. Expose them for the partisan hacks that they are.
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rocky19421 2 months ago
I'm proud to be from NYC!!
rc100100110 2 months ago
All of a sudden this guy is an advocate of state sovereig... excuse me, states' rights?
I don't understand how a person can continually contradict themselves w/out any apparent realization (& to be so blind to one's own hypocrisy to actually call out some one else). When people advocate states' rights concerning issues he is a proponent of, like abortion, he takes a completely opposite stance.
Guy forget conservatives, check yourself. Either you're in favor of state's rights or you aren't.
UtubeMyAccountName 2 months ago
@UtubeMyAccountName Cenk's opinion is ironic and relates to the hypocrisy of conservative views.
Sorry troll you lose
mundie33 2 months ago
@mundie33 Cenk's opinion on this issue concerning state's rights is exactly opposite to Cenk's opinion concerning states' rights on the issue of abortion. You can easily verify this by viewing his comments on that issue by going through this channels video history.
So, sorry you thoughtless partisan fool, reality bites.
UtubeMyAccountName 2 months ago
@UtubeMyAccountName i've seen just about every TYT video there is
Cenk wants abortion to be legal in all 50. He believes every state should respect a woman's right to choose (as they should). If Roe v Wade were overturned he would applaud any state that challenged that.
Cenk wants Citizens United overturned. He wants any and all states to challenge Citizens United for the piece of shit decision it is.
I don't see the conflict. Sorry there troll, have you slapped yourself yet today?
mundie33 2 months ago
@mundie33 ??? Are you dumb or something?
The argument you just made proves my point. Roe v Wade & Citizens United are the same thing. SCOTUS decisions.
That he supports states' rights on one issue, and opposes states' rights on the other is the very hypocrisy I am referring to.
UtubeMyAccountName 2 months ago
@UtubeMyAccountName how is that hypocritical? the whole idea of 'states rights' is a conservative ploy to undermine social reform.
i see where you're coming from but ideologically he's totally 100% pure. roe v wade was one of the greatest scotus decisions - citizens united quite possibly the worst.
what you're failing to see is that he actually realizes how the scotus works and how laws are made and see this as a first step in overturning that terrible CU decision by constitutional amendme
mundie33 2 months ago
@mundie33 How is he ideologically pure?
He is supporting the idea of states' rights now ONLY because he agrees with these states on this issue, not because he actually believes in states rights. At best it's opportunistic, but in his case it's hypocritical, because he has actually spoken against states' rights (often) in the past.
Either Roe v Wade was just as bad a decision as Citizens United (and for the exact same reasons), or it was just as good. You can't have it both ways.
UtubeMyAccountName 2 months ago
wolf-pac.com !
d3v2011 2 months ago
Wow, the GOP is going to be VERY supportive of Montana's Supreme Court to allow Montana to Govern by their own "State Laws"....
Oh wait... No that's not right, the GOP only wants "States Rights" when the States are doing exactly what the GOP wants them to do...
Montana, You Keep Fighting That Terrible Piece Of Legislature That Takes Away The Voices Of The American People And Gives It To The Highest Bidding Corporations & Their Lobbyist.
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kopellhinex 2 months ago
awe my brother is so innocent he told me that pollotics isn't influanced by banks or companies
theHedgex1 2 months ago in playlist More videos from TheYoungTurks 35
@theHedgex1 Yeah, I talked to a guy that thought ex goldman sachs people running Italy, Greece and the ECB was a coincidence.
Sad part is that this is starting to affect MY life, yet no one is opening their eyes.
Realpra 2 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@Realpra sorry to hear that but one person can't change it, all of the people haves to change it together.
theHedgex1 2 months ago
@theHedgex1 how the fuck did you get 22 likes, retard?
erjoalgo 2 months ago
@erjoalgo ---
Rofl.
underbjorn 2 months ago
@erjoalgo it's more like 35 or so now, but im not retarded at all. not trying to start an argument but what is your issue?
theHedgex1 2 months ago
If it's a federal law, they can't opt out of it as a state, only as individuals. But it's great to have them join the fight to overturn Citizens United.
Relyt22 2 months ago
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Burghlax 2 months ago
gota get religion out too
starscreamdkmo 2 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
The Roman Republic started out as democratic and small. Over the next several hundred years their government grew and grew until it was much larger than what it was originally. Nearing the end it was controlled almost completely by the rich, and every politician was owned by someone rich. They turned into a Empire with single emperor that ruled their nation.
Caesar1255 2 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@Caesar1255 Yeah you twat and it hadn´t had anything to do with the size of the government but with the ressources of the oligarchs.
GO LIBERITARIANS!
GO ARTIFICIAL PERSONS POWER!
RegioLunar 2 months ago
I'm so glad story didn't go away. Lobbying IS THEE VERY ISSUE that corrupts EVERYTHING in government.
The second most liberal city in America and a red state, who'd of thought these two would keep this important issue alive?
TheUSMetalhead 2 months ago
ive always wanted a house in Montana
fdub301 2 months ago in playlist More videos from TheYoungTurks
America... Land of the free (Restricted by corporations)
D3adtrap 2 months ago
This is just one more reason and proof that big government and bureaucracy doesn't work to the people's best interest, and one more reason why you should give the middle finger to the establishment by voting for Ron Paul.
toastm4n 2 months ago
@toastm4n you really think the SIZE of the government has anything to do with this? ron paul might SAY he advocates small government which leaves people alone, and yet he's all for removing the right of choice for what a woman can do with her own uterus.
ron paul is a fucking hypocrite. he wants small government for the corporations and big government for the little people so he can spit on them and tell them how to live according to his bullshit ideology.
Rabsputin 2 months ago
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toastm4n 2 months ago
All this talk about Montana makes me want Spinach Dip. Montana's makes the best Spinach Dip, and they serve it with deep fried pita. You can get it baked too, but it's so much better deep fried. And you can get as many refills of pita as you want.
(For any Americans out there, Montana's is a restaurant in Canada. If you think it's weird that a Canadian restaurant would be named after a US state, look up Swiss Chalet and Boston Pizza)
BrandonSchleifer 2 months ago
@BrandonSchleifer Nice! I'm from Boston and I never knew that a chain called "Boston Pizza" existed. Thanks for dropping some knowledge from the north:p
Diatonic5th 2 months ago
@BrandonSchleifer
That sounds great.
laffer35 2 months ago
@BrandonSchleifer You are one fuckin' weird dude. Either that or you are advertising for a company you have an interest in. WTF are you actually doing, just spanking it randomly? You should be ashamed you represent Canada.
eqsmooth 2 months ago
Naaahh let's talk about more important stuff like Shariah Law..lol
dangerrulz 2 months ago
Yay, Montana! This makes me sad that I'll be leaving my beloved home state in February for a conservative county in Minnesota. At least its not Bachman's district though. And MN is a sometimes blue state.
Phloid82 2 months ago
U.S. Revolution 2012? yes?
mosshark 2 months ago
Just changed my "Political View" on FB to.... Wolf-Pac
AdamsDigitalDesigns1 2 months ago
Nice to see the States fighting back.
Solarfactor 2 months ago
Interesting that Montana had a law like that back in 1912. A hundred years later and they are facing the same situation all over again.
kupigana 2 months ago in playlist More videos from TheYoungTurks
@kupigana Yep. History always repeats itself. Usually because we have such short memories.
integral 2 months ago
Libertarian Credo: Every fucker for himself and anything for a buck.
kurd55 2 months ago
I hope 2012 will bring an end to the BS and become the beginning of a better world because I have wanted that for some time now.
TruthatCearcie 2 months ago
Are the parties funded by the state? this would be better than big corporate donations even if the parties are taking our money
Cillerboy93 2 months ago
This is great news, but it's still not enough. 48 other states still support this bullshit court decision. Alot of people don't even know about citizens united, the word about this ruling needs to go out.
Octane64 2 months ago
That's just stupid, The supreme court is the final word.
St1kyFinguz 2 months ago
You know Newt and the GOP in general would call these "Activist Judges"
Turkxi 2 months ago
So, who gets the most money from People and not Corporations?
BoDiggety 2 months ago
Guarantee that the decision by the Montana S.C with be overturned on appeal.
Plato86 2 months ago
As long as union money is taken out of politics as well then Cenk is right. Can't believe I said that but I did. Still can't stand the fact he failed to mention union influence. FAIL
TheGoodFight916 2 months ago
MONTANA! Yeah boy, fight is ON!
mnkittel 2 months ago
I almost want to move to Montanner now.
MysteriousMayonaise 2 months ago
Okay screw obama and screw the republicans - CENK UYGUR FOR PRESIDENT!!!
shandow15 2 months ago
Let me tell you, as a citizen from Portugal, a country where not only elections are funded by the public BUT also where lobbying is illegal, that getting money out of politics will never happen. It's not a magic solution to anything, the corruption will still be there, democracy will still be something that happens to entertain the masses every 4 years.
Is it an improvement over the current system? All signs point to yes. Will it fix anything important? All signs point to no.
RudyBeoulve 2 months ago
@RudyBeoulve I can't agree. Looking at the systemic corruption of the US political system, I think it's fairly obvious getting corporate money out of politics will have a significant effect on how the country is run. No one is saying it's a cure-all, no one thinks all political corruption will disappear, but if corporations like Goldman Sachs can't buy politicians, or employ them after a very friendly career, of course we've fixed something important.
Fangtorn 2 months ago in playlist The Young Turks Show January 5, 2012
@Fangtorn The problem is that everything you described still happens in countries (I speak for mine) where everything like that is illegal. If you don't mind, I'm going to send you a link by. It's in Portuguese, but I'll translate what matters, everything else is just numbers. Big numbers.
I'm not saying it's not a good change, I'm saying it won't stop Goldman Sachs from buying your politicians. You just won't know about it because they'll also have to pay to cover it up.
RudyBeoulve 2 months ago
Finally, a sliver of hope.
My shrunken cup has runeth over.
OtakuRebel 2 months ago in playlist The Young Turks Show January 5, 2012
That is awesome!
Benable7 2 months ago
For the first 60 seconds of this vid, I had no idea what Cenk was talking about.
philipsidney 2 months ago
God bless Montana and NYC!
Asher8328 2 months ago
Montana NIMBY FTW !!!!
MistressArte 2 months ago
As long as you give other human beings power over the rest then they will be bought. So getting money out of politics is laughable. Thats why government if any should be local and small. Less to corrupt and less damage when it does corrupt.
gssg9 2 months ago
Awesome video. Is Cenk awesome? OOOOOOFFFF COOOURRRRSSSEE! TYT army on the move!
wayman29 2 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
I'll never in all my yearrs understand how the ACLU supported citizen's united. They're an organization i have imense respect for but i just can't understand why they'd stab the people in the back like that
FinalHeresy 2 months ago in playlist More videos from TheYoungTurks
Cenk, wolf-pac is forgetting the most important part of what needs to be changed. Check out the Berry Amendment: MONEY IS NOT SPEECH; corporations are not people.
The most important part of that amendment is money is not speech. Your amendment does not go far enough. Please, wolf-pac, adopt the Berry amendment: MONEY IS NOT SPEECH; corporations are not people.
greg55666 2 months ago in playlist The Young Turks Show January 5, 2012
YES!
Divinity33372 2 months ago in playlist More videos from TheYoungTurks
Government should pay campaign expenses. Yes this would bring tax up but then you just tax the rich more (not the poor cause that's just stupid) and stop funding unnecessary wars. This would take money out of politics and essentially mean that if a politician accepts corporate money it is a bribe (which is unethical and illegal).
BrettTheRockStar 2 months ago
Everybody go sign senator Berny Sanders petition for an amendment to the constitution that will overturn citizens united.
Just search for the Berny Sanders amendment .....you can sign online.
RedlineMMA 2 months ago 3
Bachmann: "Everyone sells out." Wise words for a bimbo.
liveecarbme 2 months ago in playlist More videos from TheYoungTurks
Get money the fuck out of politics! End corporate dominion over our government!
criskity 2 months ago 97
@criskity better make it public then hidden like across the world! Look at africa!
America is way better then all the countries in this world, you should be happy!
timesplitters333 2 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
This is not the End, nor is it even the Beginning of the End; But it is, perhaps, the End of the Beginning :D
ReadmanJ 2 months ago
Citizens united. Is that the law where the united states supreme court basically committed treason by allowing unlimited political donations from corporations? That is treason in any democracy
MypugMiles 2 months ago 13
@MypugMiles Cannt give you enough "vote up´s"!!!!!!
RegioLunar 2 months ago
Obama 2012 > Any right wing religious lunatic.
liquifex 2 months ago 29
@liquifex I agree. No way in hell I'm voting for those crazy asses. Obama pretty much should win by default.
Mika20 2 months ago
@liquifex Obama = bought and paid for by big corporations and the banking cartel.
JohnWesleyMethodism 2 months ago
@liquifex To quote the French Presidential campaign "vote for the crook not the facist"
DarthAzabrush 2 months ago
@liquifex yes yes yes yes
AFCoulthard 2 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@liquifex That's kinda like saying a urinary tract infection is better than AIDS...
nomis101uk 2 months ago
<----- Proud New Yorker. :)
edgeninja 2 months ago
Rather you a Dem or Rep why would want companies buying all of are leaders.
MrHeavyGunner 2 months ago
How can you have 516 "likes" and only 302 views?
ech77066 2 months ago
@ech77066
I think the "likes" are automatically updated but the "views" are updated every 24 hours or more.
konfoshios 2 months ago
Clarence Thomas needs to be investigated for ethics violations. He is very partisan and corrupt. He is always that fifth vote. How many times have you seen the SCOTUS vote 5 to 4? He is for the corporations not for the people.
OBAMA 2012
ELIZABETH WARREN 2016
pugtime77 2 months ago 73
@pugtime77 nah ron paul
MrShmoul 2 months ago in playlist More videos from TheYoungTurks
@MrShmoul Awh yeah!
Sylinic 2 months ago
@pugtime77 OBAMA 2012?!!?!?!
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Sylinic 2 months ago
@Sylinic Consider the alternative. Some right-wing looney nut hell-bent on taking away all our freedoms?
criskity 2 months ago
@criskity Ron Paul.
I hear he's pretty big on personal freedoms.
That Obama, passing NDAA, not doing anything he said he would, changeD.
Sylinic 2 months ago
@Sylinic You heard wrong, Ron's all for removing federal power to the states. BUT if a state decided to turn into a mini-fascist state, hey, that's up to the states, and there should be no recourse in the Federal system
JasonCrowell 2 months ago
@JasonCrowell Well he'd give the power to the states because that's what the constitution dictated, but he personally is vehemently opposed to it, and we both know you're not being rational and that won't / can't happen.
But enjoy your fallacy and voting for a blue warmonger who will fuck you in the ass for another four years.
Sylinic 2 months ago
@Sylinic Who's being irrational? He'd give the power to the states, and then if they chose to become a fascist state, they could. He may be for personal rights, however, he's opposed to having a recourse to the Federal government if the State violates your rights. The Ron Paul theory of interpreting the Constitution more resembles the failed Articles of Confederation
This is why some white nationalist and xtian dominionists have latched on to Ron, to let them take control of states
JasonCrowell 2 months ago
@JasonCrowell (I do not, however, think he would be able to succeed at returning us to the Articles era, there are too many checks and balances against the devolution of the Federal state)
I'll vote for the "blue warmonger" who doesn't seem too mongerish, vs a guy that would be truly, spectacularly useless
JasonCrowell 2 months ago
@Sylinic Ron Paul big on personal freedoms? Like, say, abortion? Do your research into his view on abortion, as well as his voting record in the subject.
criskity 2 months ago
@criskity Lmao so dogmatic, dude. Personal freedoms stop at yourself. I'm pro-choice, but I respect his opinion, and he's right, but I don't value life as he does. In abortion you're killing another being, it's not a matter of "My body".
Do some research, and critical thinking.
Sylinic 2 months ago
@Sylinic ---
Corporations butcher "beings" on an industrial scale for hamburgers, do some critical thinking, a human featus is no different from a pig faetus during the period abortion is allowed.
underbjorn 2 months ago
@underbjorn Except for the minor fact a pig fetus is a pig fetus and not a human fetus.
Monolith21000 2 months ago
@Monolith21000 ---
Except for the fact that both are neither pig nor human but practically the same thing.
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And I need not go into the outlandish hypocrisy of the War&Death Party to rant about individual rights' yet prohibiting this, about free market yet interfering in private abortion clinics and have the most deplorable policies towards people who actually live.
underbjorn 2 months ago
@underbjorn
"..War&Death Party to rant about individual rights' yet prohibiting this, about free market yet interfering in private abortion clinics and have the most deplorable policies towards people who actually live."
what do free markets have to do with private abortion clinics? Free market societies can not be turned into free for all jungles, social standards must prevail
socialist Sweden has turned you into a far left monster, sad to say
genie0390 2 months ago
@genie0390 ---
The whole point of the free market is that it is a free for all jungle, oh you dumb little genie.
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Alas I agree, social standards must prevail and hence no free market should exist on areas including health care, social services, law enforcement, defense, electricity supply etc.
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The free market can exist in abortion services.
underbjorn 2 months ago
@underbjorn
"... a human featus is no different from a pig faetus during the period abortion is allowed."
obviously you speak for yourself! Too bad your mommy didn't abort you and turn you into a nice pork ham!!
it's easy to understand the mass killings of tens of millions by far left pigs such as Stalin and Mao, like you they saw their victims as mere pigs not humans!
thanks for revealing your true inner self
genie0390 2 months ago
@genie0390 OMG!
You US pro lifers are a joke! Your Agent Orage crime part I+II are unpunished yet you dare to pose yourselfs as protectors of unborn life. You cannot process what an abominable joke you are.
RegioLunar 2 months ago
@criskity I keep asking that same question of Ron Paul fans...they think its somehow better that he wants to take this power from the federal gov't and hand it over to the states.I'm saying I don't care whether its federal or state gov't, neither have any business making a decision in any woman's womb. The decision to bring new life into this world is an important one, & should be a woman's choice over her own body.
braithmorgan 2 months ago
@braithmorgan
"..The decision to bring new life into this world is an important one, & should be a woman's choice over her own body."
the unborn child also carries the father's genetics and participation, you liberal dimwit
genie0390 2 months ago
@genie0390 LOL!
You twats are the most pathetic jokes that breath these days. PUNISH those who´re responsible for Agent Orange part I+II!
Oh forgot you´re too damn retarded to understand how US politics has caused this in the first place! Go prayin´and hope "god" holds a comfortable place for cynic hypocrits like you.
RegioLunar 2 months ago
@RegioLunar ---
Be aware that genie0930 is a wellknown troll roaming TYT videos, if you didn't already know, :P
underbjorn 2 months ago
@underbjorn
all this talk about my being a ...(gulp!!).. troll!! Where and when has it been established that "trolling" is bad?? You little hypocrite do it all the time to bash/smear right wingers!
I had a stupid far left clown even post a comment to my profile claiming that the internet would be a much safer place if trolling was outlawed!! haha,..just how stupid/delusional/perverted/deranged/out of touch with reality are far left assclowns?
genie0390 2 months ago
@genie0390 ---
genie, it's up to each and everyone to decide whether they can stand your genie-nonsense.
I just alert them to you not being serious.
underbjorn 2 months ago
@RegioLunar
all this crap from an ignorant citizen of a Country that started 2 world wars killing tens of millions innocent civilians including children, invented ovens to kill Jews by the millions, had numerous killing squads shooting civilians dumping them into mass graves, bombing numerous cities etc!
don't you dare talk about US politics, how about German politics that brought in the Nazis and supported them?
Using you dimwitted logic, are German people precluded from social views?
genie0390 2 months ago
@genie0390 like the US is any better than Germany. the US slaughtered millions of native americans using total war tactics, the US has overthrown the governments of various countries just to install US friendly dictators with horrid human rights records, and finally the US fire bombed entire japanese cities of non military importance with the knowledge that most japanese buildings are "made of paper" and that the fire caused by the bombs made more damage than the bombs themselves.
stupidtrooper501 2 months ago
@stupidtrooper501
so you do admit that you're stupid?
the US slaughtered millions of natives? wonder how many millions Germanic tribes couple thousand yrs ago slaughtered for the territory they now occupy? How about the Germanic tribes that slaughtered ancient Romans, destroyed western Roman empire?
US installed the modern Governments of Germany and Japan, btw!
as for bombing of Japanese cities, US didn't start the war
you need to grow a brain
genie0390 2 months ago
@genie0390 the Germanic people were fleeing from the mongols who were in east Europe by 1279 and the Romans did not accept them as refugees, many of these tribes banded together in desperation and attacked the Romans yes, but they had good reason. besides the two of those tribes would settle in Britain ever heard of the anglos and the saxons? by your own logic white americans have blood on there hands.
stupidtrooper501 2 months ago