When they revealed the drumming in the End of Time it changed how I felt about the master. He became a sympathetic villain to me. He was just a pawn by Rassilon.
@psychowarrior - hardly, he wouldn't have become what Rassilon wanted unless he chose what he did. Unless he decided to use his brilliant, his wisdom and knowledge, for domination... true, Rassilon knew he would, but the Master STILL chose to become what he did.
Blaming Rassilon is just an excuse, because MAYBE without the noise he'd be different... or maybe he wouldn't.
@2Scribble Still, they play a pivotal part in his madness, as well as the Time Lord's "initiation", and there's always the idea that if it wasn't for the drums and the initiation, he could've turned out more like his Professor Yana persona.
a true hero truly moves you. A true villain makes you want to jump in the screen. The Doctor makes you cry, while the Master makes you want to take on the world.
I liked this. I also found it ironic it was the Master who saved the Earth instead of the Doctor. Had he survived would he finally understood what the Doctor meant about not having to own the universe, but rather be a part of it?
@Atlas3060 - I doubt it, it's not in his character... cut the Master up. Dump him down a chute. Feed him to the Daleks... no matter what you do to him, how you may damn or purify him, he will ALWAYS be obsessed with order. With control. He can't NOT own - can't not control - the universe.
The drums drove him, but it was his own obsessions that made him consistently seek complete control
@lloydi - that's a misconception. The Master may have been 'tainted' by Rassilons interference, by his own inability to protect himself as a boy and his obsession with order as a young man... but any way you slice it, one way or another...
@2Scribble True but maybe he wouldnt have been as evil if he wasn't tainted lol. I'm not getting into a Doctor Who argument because there is so many out comes any one of them could be right lol
I disapprove of Darth Master. I loved The Master up until he used Force Lightning. Sigh. I wanna see how Moffat will write The Master, if he does. He's done everything else right so far.
@Soniclord65 - Oh I dunno, it's no worse than the Cheetah Master or the Snake-Eye morphant Master. The Master has had weird powers before, force lightning seems kind of ho-hum when you think of what he's been able to do over the years lol
@LordMelfist PS: the majority of the audio - such as who I am, what I am and what I need to be comes from the audio play Master - I recommend it. It's from a bunch of stories focusing on the 'decaying' Master from the pre-Trakken master years.
The rest are clips from various eps, except for Ainley's laugh which comes from the Fifth Doctors era
@Jameswaterslive I don't think he did. My take is he died and his "soul" went into the matrix on Gallifrey. When the Time war started he was resurrected and fought for a little while until he got scared and ran. Used his Chameleon Arch, was his Tardis hide him amongst the humans. Hmm wonder what happened to his Tardis.
@Hdain - not so much his 'soul' as his memories. Every Time Lord memory is recorded in the matrix. Those memories are recompiled to form a 'copy' of the original. It's supposed to be one of those 'against the law of time' deals since it involves altering time lines to do it
@Jameswaterslive - he was revived by the Time Lords. A prototype for the process they would use to revive their greatest hero's to fight in the Time War such as Rassilon, Omega etc
They created perfect warriors for a Time War
But when the Daleks took control of some sort of Time Lord weapon/station (the cruciform) the Master believed the War would be lost and fled to a point in time that the Daleks and the Time Lords never go and made himself human so they'd NEVER find him
@RealArcalian It's probably Peter Pratt or Geoffrey Beevers. Pratt played the emaciated Master opposite the fourth Doctor except for the series The Keeper of Traken, when Beevers held the role.
@wageboy - the quotes are from the audio plays Master and Dust Breeding, both based on the emaciated Master from AFTER the Keeper of Traken actually, but before the TV movie. His body was stripped away after his 'adventures' on the Cheetah planet and he was left in his previous incarnation - the Pratt Master - until the TV movie.
Both awesome audio plays btw - Master and Dust Breeding - I recommend them :)
What I love about the Master is that, however evil he is, he's less evil than the Time Lord society that both he and the Doctor rejected, and that rejected both of them, In stories involving both the Master and Time Lord leadership, the Master supports the Doctor in the struggle against something they both despise. It happened in "The Five Doctors," "Trial of a Time Lord," and "The End of Time." "The Deadly Assassin" is the exception, but they were still figuring him out back then.
@nisteven If you've seen all the classic series episodes you'll remember that the first time they appeared, the Doctor was as reluctant to contact them as the War Chief, and was just as guilty under their arbitrary definitions of justice. In their last prewar appearance the Doctor called them "The oldest civilization--decadent, degenerate, and rotten to the core!" and their only answer was "Shut up."
"The War Games," "The Deadly Assassin," "Arc of Infinity," "The Trial of a Time Lord," they
all involve the leaders of Time Lord society as villains. The best that can be said of them is usually that they're unwitting pawns of someone with hidden ulterior motives, like Omega or the Valeyard; but even then, it must be asked how a society that's supposedly so wise and certainly spends so much time focused on its own politics can be so easily duped by appeals to their prejudice and intolerance. Maybe not evil, but very far from good.
@aperson22222 - Well the Master was originally a savant - the golden boy of the Time Lords. When The Doctor went rogue they sent HIM after his old friend. Only they also sent a spy along with him... and when he presented with the option to affect REAL control, REAL change to the galaxy... that, coupled with the fact that the Time Lords didn't REALLY trust him (were only using him) it drove him mad
He basically had his own 'paradigm/mars' moment... with no Sarah/Ood to save him
@2Scribble Huh? When did all this happen? I haven't seen all the classic Master episodes, but I'm certain I've seen enough of them that I would have seen SOME mention of this admittedly intriguing backstory.
@aperson22222 There are many novels and audio plays that detail this stuff. He was an agent with the CIA (celestial intervention agency) that basically ran the High Council and was the original source of corruption within their society. Look up his profile on the TARDIS wiki and you'll get a SHLEW of books and stuff that covers it all :)
For the audio play, with some of the best details about his first brush with murder, check out 'Master' by Big Finish :)
@aperson22222 PS: the Doctor Who novels and audio plays are only as canon as you make them (pretty much like the classic series or any series really since the 'rules' change from head-writer to head-writer) but since many of them are mentioned in the series (that bit about how the Master was 'started' in the end of time is actually a reference to the Master audio play) it's hard to figure out what is 'real' and what isn't
But, again, that even applies to many of the eps lol
@2Scribble Glad you put in the second post, I was about to say "Those don't count!" It's like the officially licensed Star Wars novels: It may well be interesting, but it's not part of the canon of a TV or film franchise unless you PUT IT ON THE SCREEN! Imagine an author of a novel saying "Didn't find my main character interesting, huh? Well did you know that he did A, B, and C as well? I didn't write it, but I put it in this little doodle here--"
That's why I try to avoid the TARDIS Index File wiki and the Wookiepedia wiki: They both have all that EU stuff mixed in with canon indiscriminately. I wish it were more like Memory Alpha, which has a separate wiki (Memory Beta) for all of that, or at least like the Dune wiki, where characters that appear in both Frank Herbert's books and those by Brian Herbert and Kevin Anderson get two separate sections of the same entry, and it's your choice whether to stop after the Frank stuff or keep going
@aperson22222 In one novel or audiobook, The Master kills a TimeLord spy sent by the Timelords to track him. The Master thought she would kill him, killed her instead leading to him becoming fully evil. During the End Of Time Part 2 episode, Wilf tells The Doctor to kill The Master before the opposite happens, and The Doctor says, "And that's how The Master started."
Very nice work! They really rounded out the character, for me at least, during the 10th Doctor's time. Before that, The Master was just a rather cartoonishly evil staple, the good guy's arch-enemy, complete with goatee. The back story of what happened to him as a child brought a great sadness, but made the character accessible. The song and this video capture that nicely.
@dewhistle - the backstory had been there for years, only covered in novels though (one even written by RTD) and audio plays... the story of the Master's first brush with murder (at the DOCTOR'S hands) is quite interesting and explains how he came to covet the power to CHANGE and CONTROL things, so he would never be helpless again
the play is called Master by big finish, very awesome... I used clips from it in this ;)
@2Scribble Interesting! It's been a long time since I saw Tom Baker's Master (the most familiar one to me before this) so I hadn't really gleaned all that. I guess they've been weaving them together for a long time. Still, there's just something about this incarnation (and the one right before). The actor is incredible, for starters, yet he has that pitiful child-like face. The dirty hoodie humanizes him, too. ;)
@darkironyoshi You disagree that it's childish, or you disagree when I say we don't cause evil people to become evil, or that it's false that evil people are just like everyone else except some wrong has been done to the evil people?
@fjccommish I believe no one is just evil. I believe they must have a motive thus a backstory can be used to explain a motive. Now I dont mean some may not take something too far and become "evil". I believe it depends on personality and from what I know of the master [which I admit is little] he had no reason to be enemies with the doctor. I believe if he was just evil bcuz he could b than that is cartoonish like the Joker from Batman which I admit is cool but it is still childish 2 me anyway.
@fjccommish Well, I suppose cartoonishness is in the eye of the beholder. And there's also the possibility of being evil because you had too much of a good thing. There are many influences in a man's evolution into the adult creature... and back story is far from modern. But what's wrong with a little character development? Either way, it's certainly nothing to be so argumentative about. Like it or don't. It's entertainment.
This gives me the chills. I feel sorry for the Master. The whole universe hates him, and all this time. He's had the drumming. The Doctor, his oldest friend. Hates him.
@TheTenatDoctor - The Doctor doesn't hate him, he's never 'hated' him, what happened to the Master was partly his fault... The Doctor going rogue, what happened to a school-mate when they were children... he's wanted to save the Master for a long time. But has never been able to
That said, despite how the Doctor may want to 'save' him... the Master made his 'choice' a long time ago... the hatred held for him he DID earn... one way and another
@2Scribble it can be hard at times to square the origin provided in 'The Master' and the Sound of Drums altho i think the 1 in the audio was ambiguous enough that you could say it sorta happened but the 2007 origin still counts. who says you only need 1 stimuli to make a monster. either way its better than the origin from the Virgin books
@227060 - well if you ask me, it actually is EASIER to explain what happened to the Master if you join all of the 'origins' together... if it's just the noise, then he's not really responsible for what happened :P and that's stupid... if it's just the 'accident' caused by the Doctor, then there's still a lot of questions. If it's just the virgin bit then he's just misunderstood... all of them together paint him as a victim, yes.
@2Scribble good point. my main gripe with the Virgin adventues stuff is maybe a bit personal cos basically i see the whole point of the master as being tghe equal and opposite of the Doctor and so like the Doctor we should never learn his name cos just like Moffat said no name you creae will ever sound good enough. tbh thats sorta i gripe i had with Lungbarrow even tho its good unto itself within the mythology i feel it revealed too much
@227060 - Well if you mean the name Koschie that, like so many other things, is only as canon as you want to make it. The cousins of each house on Gallifrey gave each other many names and titles. Is it his true name? Maybe... maybe not, again... only as canon as you want to make it
same thing can be applied to just about every ep of the classic series lol
@2Scribble Oh I dunno as I understand it basically if anything is canon almost everything broadcast on TV was canon. I say almost bcos i think with written off Dimensions in Time now right? I was also referring to the the Doctor being a reincarntion of the Other. To me the Doctor doesn't need this to be more than an ordianry Time Lord. merely travelling and embracing life in ways other Time Lords don't is enough to make him exceptional
Um. . .I have an album that came out before still got legs called Trock On, which has this exact song but by a band called Quantum Locked. Mildly confused as to who the actual writer is
@OnceUponATimeLord@AardvarkOff Can it really be a cover if it's being done by the same person who released it in the first place? I see it as the "finished" product.
*shivers*
BillHartnelliscool27 1 day ago
When they revealed the drumming in the End of Time it changed how I felt about the master. He became a sympathetic villain to me. He was just a pawn by Rassilon.
psychowarrior 4 days ago
@psychowarrior - hardly, he wouldn't have become what Rassilon wanted unless he chose what he did. Unless he decided to use his brilliant, his wisdom and knowledge, for domination... true, Rassilon knew he would, but the Master STILL chose to become what he did.
Blaming Rassilon is just an excuse, because MAYBE without the noise he'd be different... or maybe he wouldn't.
2Scribble 3 days ago 3
@2Scribble Still, they play a pivotal part in his madness, as well as the Time Lord's "initiation", and there's always the idea that if it wasn't for the drums and the initiation, he could've turned out more like his Professor Yana persona.
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starwarsruls1 1 week ago
a true hero truly moves you. A true villain makes you want to jump in the screen. The Doctor makes you cry, while the Master makes you want to take on the world.
lazyd3vil 1 week ago
The Master has the drums whilst the Doctor has the Question.
adam2727cc 1 week ago 4
Don't worry.........he'll be back.
Denarpsaurus 1 week ago
I liked this. I also found it ironic it was the Master who saved the Earth instead of the Doctor. Had he survived would he finally understood what the Doctor meant about not having to own the universe, but rather be a part of it?
Atlas3060 1 week ago
@Atlas3060 - I doubt it, it's not in his character... cut the Master up. Dump him down a chute. Feed him to the Daleks... no matter what you do to him, how you may damn or purify him, he will ALWAYS be obsessed with order. With control. He can't NOT own - can't not control - the universe.
The drums drove him, but it was his own obsessions that made him consistently seek complete control
2Scribble 1 week ago
this song is actually called the sound of drums
MrToystory2000 1 week ago
I feel for the Master it's not his fault he is who he is. But its like Batman Joker you can't have one without the other
lloydi 1 week ago
@lloydi - that's a misconception. The Master may have been 'tainted' by Rassilons interference, by his own inability to protect himself as a boy and his obsession with order as a young man... but any way you slice it, one way or another...
everything that happened was HIS choice
2Scribble 1 week ago
@2Scribble True but maybe he wouldnt have been as evil if he wasn't tainted lol. I'm not getting into a Doctor Who argument because there is so many out comes any one of them could be right lol
lloydi 1 week ago
Damn it, Russell T. Davies!
I disapprove of Darth Master. I loved The Master up until he used Force Lightning. Sigh. I wanna see how Moffat will write The Master, if he does. He's done everything else right so far.
Soniclord65 1 week ago
@Soniclord65 - Oh I dunno, it's no worse than the Cheetah Master or the Snake-Eye morphant Master. The Master has had weird powers before, force lightning seems kind of ho-hum when you think of what he's been able to do over the years lol
2Scribble 1 week ago
I found this video to be strangely moving.
Monkofmagnesia 2 weeks ago
@2Scribble Where did you find all these videos from the old series?
LordMelfist 2 weeks ago
@LordMelfist I've got a lot of old series DVD's
2Scribble 1 week ago
@LordMelfist PS: the majority of the audio - such as who I am, what I am and what I need to be comes from the audio play Master - I recommend it. It's from a bunch of stories focusing on the 'decaying' Master from the pre-Trakken master years.
The rest are clips from various eps, except for Ainley's laugh which comes from the Fifth Doctors era
2Scribble 1 week ago
I actually hated the master until I heard this song. Now I think he's absolutely brilliant.
MikaXKempo 2 weeks ago
the ending was the best part!
kaizoisevil 2 weeks ago
Awesome Vid. I think the master should take Rassilons position, if the Time Lords are ever reborn...
ReverentiaEagna 2 weeks ago 2
Who is the guy who had the red robe?
YamiPoyo 3 weeks ago
@YamiPoyo Rassilon
FistFullofGaming 3 weeks ago
the end kinda makes me sad, even if the master was a psycho.
NinjaDinosaur176 4 weeks ago
A question that has confounded me for ages:
How the hell did the master survive the eye of harmony and end up at the human survival effort?
Jameswaterslive 4 weeks ago
@Jameswaterslive I don't think he did. My take is he died and his "soul" went into the matrix on Gallifrey. When the Time war started he was resurrected and fought for a little while until he got scared and ran. Used his Chameleon Arch, was his Tardis hide him amongst the humans. Hmm wonder what happened to his Tardis.
Hdain 3 weeks ago
*edit* was his Tardis is meant to be which his Tardis hid him......
Hdain 3 weeks ago
@Hdain - not so much his 'soul' as his memories. Every Time Lord memory is recorded in the matrix. Those memories are recompiled to form a 'copy' of the original. It's supposed to be one of those 'against the law of time' deals since it involves altering time lines to do it
but then a lot of laws were broken for that war
2Scribble 1 week ago
@Jameswaterslive - he was revived by the Time Lords. A prototype for the process they would use to revive their greatest hero's to fight in the Time War such as Rassilon, Omega etc
They created perfect warriors for a Time War
But when the Daleks took control of some sort of Time Lord weapon/station (the cruciform) the Master believed the War would be lost and fled to a point in time that the Daleks and the Time Lords never go and made himself human so they'd NEVER find him
2Scribble 1 week ago
the 11th doctor wont die untill the master comes
killerdemonchild 1 month ago in playlist More videos from 2Scribble
Which episode is 1:20 from ._. that master looks bad ass
Roxashater3 1 month ago
@Roxashater3 That's Sir Roger Delgado, the orignial Master, and I do beleive the story was The Sea Devils.
RealArcalian 1 month ago
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wageboy 1 month ago
@RealArcalian It's probably Peter Pratt or Geoffrey Beevers. Pratt played the emaciated Master opposite the fourth Doctor except for the series The Keeper of Traken, when Beevers held the role.
wageboy 1 month ago
@wageboy I was replying to Roxashater, who was asking where the clip at 1:20 is from, which is of Delgado karate chopping a guy in the neck.
RealArcalian 1 month ago
@RealArcalian Ah, ok. I see that now. Cheers.
wageboy 1 month ago
@wageboy - the quotes are from the audio plays Master and Dust Breeding, both based on the emaciated Master from AFTER the Keeper of Traken actually, but before the TV movie. His body was stripped away after his 'adventures' on the Cheetah planet and he was left in his previous incarnation - the Pratt Master - until the TV movie.
Both awesome audio plays btw - Master and Dust Breeding - I recommend them :)
2Scribble 1 week ago
@RealArcalian spot on
2Scribble 1 week ago
The song is actually called the Sound of Drums. But good video anyway
exclusiveforus 1 month ago
Epiiiiiiiiiic! :D
OwlCityFan26 2 months ago
Why at 5:20 we hear "Kaaahhhhnnnn!!! in the tune?
TRose2342 2 months ago
@TRose2342 Hes yelling four to signify the fourth and final beat/strike
DjAnesthetics 1 month ago
Little baby Master is so cute!
EleventhDoctor11 2 months ago 2
Very nice editing, this video is awesome! :) Chameleon Circuit should be pleased you made such an awesome video to their song. :)
IHeartsDrummers 2 months ago
one person can't hear the drums
deadishspaceien 2 months ago
*clap clap clap clap clap clap clap*
Jradgex 2 months ago
I like it. :3 Nice job.
Clueless89 2 months ago
so there was a Master in the movie?
FutureMrsMattSmith03 2 months ago
This was brilliant, loved it=)
H1nata12 2 months ago
1 dislike...Master?
Megazord5 2 months ago
QnQ Master needs more love.
madsquirellinc 2 months ago
What I love about the Master is that, however evil he is, he's less evil than the Time Lord society that both he and the Doctor rejected, and that rejected both of them, In stories involving both the Master and Time Lord leadership, the Master supports the Doctor in the struggle against something they both despise. It happened in "The Five Doctors," "Trial of a Time Lord," and "The End of Time." "The Deadly Assassin" is the exception, but they were still figuring him out back then.
aperson22222 2 months ago
@aperson22222 The time lord Society was not evil, until the last parts of the time war.
I seen every ep from 1963, once they was a truly great society.
nisteven 2 months ago
@nisteven If you've seen all the classic series episodes you'll remember that the first time they appeared, the Doctor was as reluctant to contact them as the War Chief, and was just as guilty under their arbitrary definitions of justice. In their last prewar appearance the Doctor called them "The oldest civilization--decadent, degenerate, and rotten to the core!" and their only answer was "Shut up."
"The War Games," "The Deadly Assassin," "Arc of Infinity," "The Trial of a Time Lord," they
aperson22222 2 months ago
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all involve the leaders of Time Lord society as villains. The best that can be said of them is usually that they're unwitting pawns of someone with hidden ulterior motives, like Omega or the Valeyard; but even then, it must be asked how a society that's supposedly so wise and certainly spends so much time focused on its own politics can be so easily duped by appeals to their prejudice and intolerance. Maybe not evil, but very far from good.
aperson22222 2 months ago
@aperson22222 - Well the Master was originally a savant - the golden boy of the Time Lords. When The Doctor went rogue they sent HIM after his old friend. Only they also sent a spy along with him... and when he presented with the option to affect REAL control, REAL change to the galaxy... that, coupled with the fact that the Time Lords didn't REALLY trust him (were only using him) it drove him mad
He basically had his own 'paradigm/mars' moment... with no Sarah/Ood to save him
2Scribble 2 months ago
@2Scribble Huh? When did all this happen? I haven't seen all the classic Master episodes, but I'm certain I've seen enough of them that I would have seen SOME mention of this admittedly intriguing backstory.
aperson22222 2 months ago
@aperson22222 There are many novels and audio plays that detail this stuff. He was an agent with the CIA (celestial intervention agency) that basically ran the High Council and was the original source of corruption within their society. Look up his profile on the TARDIS wiki and you'll get a SHLEW of books and stuff that covers it all :)
For the audio play, with some of the best details about his first brush with murder, check out 'Master' by Big Finish :)
2Scribble 2 months ago
@aperson22222 PS: the Doctor Who novels and audio plays are only as canon as you make them (pretty much like the classic series or any series really since the 'rules' change from head-writer to head-writer) but since many of them are mentioned in the series (that bit about how the Master was 'started' in the end of time is actually a reference to the Master audio play) it's hard to figure out what is 'real' and what isn't
But, again, that even applies to many of the eps lol
2Scribble 2 months ago
@2Scribble Glad you put in the second post, I was about to say "Those don't count!" It's like the officially licensed Star Wars novels: It may well be interesting, but it's not part of the canon of a TV or film franchise unless you PUT IT ON THE SCREEN! Imagine an author of a novel saying "Didn't find my main character interesting, huh? Well did you know that he did A, B, and C as well? I didn't write it, but I put it in this little doodle here--"
aperson22222 2 months ago
That's why I try to avoid the TARDIS Index File wiki and the Wookiepedia wiki: They both have all that EU stuff mixed in with canon indiscriminately. I wish it were more like Memory Alpha, which has a separate wiki (Memory Beta) for all of that, or at least like the Dune wiki, where characters that appear in both Frank Herbert's books and those by Brian Herbert and Kevin Anderson get two separate sections of the same entry, and it's your choice whether to stop after the Frank stuff or keep going
aperson22222 2 months ago
@aperson22222 In one novel or audiobook, The Master kills a TimeLord spy sent by the Timelords to track him. The Master thought she would kill him, killed her instead leading to him becoming fully evil. During the End Of Time Part 2 episode, Wilf tells The Doctor to kill The Master before the opposite happens, and The Doctor says, "And that's how The Master started."
rohgenextfan 2 months ago
@rohgenextfan Come on, a line that vague can mean anything!
aperson22222 2 months ago
@aperson22222 The Star Wars books are canon.
rohgenextfan 2 months ago
@rohgenextfan I know there are those who consider them to be so, but I'm not one of them, and I see no merit to their case.
aperson22222 2 months ago
CHAMELEON CIRCUIT FTW! :D
OwlCityFan26 3 months ago
Very nice work! They really rounded out the character, for me at least, during the 10th Doctor's time. Before that, The Master was just a rather cartoonishly evil staple, the good guy's arch-enemy, complete with goatee. The back story of what happened to him as a child brought a great sadness, but made the character accessible. The song and this video capture that nicely.
dewhistle 3 months ago
@dewhistle - the backstory had been there for years, only covered in novels though (one even written by RTD) and audio plays... the story of the Master's first brush with murder (at the DOCTOR'S hands) is quite interesting and explains how he came to covet the power to CHANGE and CONTROL things, so he would never be helpless again
the play is called Master by big finish, very awesome... I used clips from it in this ;)
But I rather liked the classic incarnation too...
2Scribble 2 months ago
@2Scribble Interesting! It's been a long time since I saw Tom Baker's Master (the most familiar one to me before this) so I hadn't really gleaned all that. I guess they've been weaving them together for a long time. Still, there's just something about this incarnation (and the one right before). The actor is incredible, for starters, yet he has that pitiful child-like face. The dirty hoodie humanizes him, too. ;)
dewhistle 2 months ago
@dewhistle No, the modern "they must have a back story, there must be a reason they are evil and the reason is that we did wrong" is cartoonish.
fjccommish 2 months ago
@fjccommish i respectively disagree.
darkironyoshi 2 months ago in playlist Favorite videos
@darkironyoshi You disagree that it's childish, or you disagree when I say we don't cause evil people to become evil, or that it's false that evil people are just like everyone else except some wrong has been done to the evil people?
fjccommish 2 months ago
@fjccommish I believe no one is just evil. I believe they must have a motive thus a backstory can be used to explain a motive. Now I dont mean some may not take something too far and become "evil". I believe it depends on personality and from what I know of the master [which I admit is little] he had no reason to be enemies with the doctor. I believe if he was just evil bcuz he could b than that is cartoonish like the Joker from Batman which I admit is cool but it is still childish 2 me anyway.
darkironyoshi 2 months ago
@darkironyoshi You are right about the master and the doctor. They were actually friends back on gallifrey.
legomaster892 1 month ago
@fjccommish Well, I suppose cartoonishness is in the eye of the beholder. And there's also the possibility of being evil because you had too much of a good thing. There are many influences in a man's evolution into the adult creature... and back story is far from modern. But what's wrong with a little character development? Either way, it's certainly nothing to be so argumentative about. Like it or don't. It's entertainment.
dewhistle 2 months ago
Great Job! This is so cool.
matrixlord212 3 months ago
Nice, I loved this music video! Great job on it :D
The master is my favorite DW Villain.
Justinhdz18 3 months ago in playlist Justinhdz18's favorites
This gives me the chills. I feel sorry for the Master. The whole universe hates him, and all this time. He's had the drumming. The Doctor, his oldest friend. Hates him.
I feel sorry. So. So sorry.
TheTenatDoctor 3 months ago 4
@TheTenatDoctor - The Doctor doesn't hate him, he's never 'hated' him, what happened to the Master was partly his fault... The Doctor going rogue, what happened to a school-mate when they were children... he's wanted to save the Master for a long time. But has never been able to
That said, despite how the Doctor may want to 'save' him... the Master made his 'choice' a long time ago... the hatred held for him he DID earn... one way and another
2Scribble 2 months ago
Woah... *explodes from amount of awesomeness*
twitBailey 3 months ago
DUDE! You stole thise idea out of my head! BEFORE I HAD IT! WHAT BLACK MAGIC IS THIS?
Dubzoomember 4 months ago
there are shockingly few vids with all of the Masters in them so well done
227060 5 months ago 27
@227060 - even managed to include sound-clips from the audio-play incarnation :)
2Scribble 2 months ago
@2Scribble damn. well playued there are even fewer BF things on youtube. ironically im listening to that 1 right now. brilliant isn't it
227060 2 months ago
@227060 - very brilliant, an awesome reference to it can be found in The End of Time when the Doctor says 'thats how the Master started'
2Scribble 2 months ago
@2Scribble it can be hard at times to square the origin provided in 'The Master' and the Sound of Drums altho i think the 1 in the audio was ambiguous enough that you could say it sorta happened but the 2007 origin still counts. who says you only need 1 stimuli to make a monster. either way its better than the origin from the Virgin books
227060 2 months ago
@227060 - well if you ask me, it actually is EASIER to explain what happened to the Master if you join all of the 'origins' together... if it's just the noise, then he's not really responsible for what happened :P and that's stupid... if it's just the 'accident' caused by the Doctor, then there's still a lot of questions. If it's just the virgin bit then he's just misunderstood... all of them together paint him as a victim, yes.
But a victim who chose
2Scribble 2 months ago
@2Scribble good point. my main gripe with the Virgin adventues stuff is maybe a bit personal cos basically i see the whole point of the master as being tghe equal and opposite of the Doctor and so like the Doctor we should never learn his name cos just like Moffat said no name you creae will ever sound good enough. tbh thats sorta i gripe i had with Lungbarrow even tho its good unto itself within the mythology i feel it revealed too much
227060 2 months ago
@227060 - Well if you mean the name Koschie that, like so many other things, is only as canon as you want to make it. The cousins of each house on Gallifrey gave each other many names and titles. Is it his true name? Maybe... maybe not, again... only as canon as you want to make it
same thing can be applied to just about every ep of the classic series lol
2Scribble 1 week ago
@2Scribble Oh I dunno as I understand it basically if anything is canon almost everything broadcast on TV was canon. I say almost bcos i think with written off Dimensions in Time now right? I was also referring to the the Doctor being a reincarntion of the Other. To me the Doctor doesn't need this to be more than an ordianry Time Lord. merely travelling and embracing life in ways other Time Lords don't is enough to make him exceptional
227060 1 week ago
Awesome video! Very well-done. Great song.
thedemonhedgehog 7 months ago
Um. . .I have an album that came out before still got legs called Trock On, which has this exact song but by a band called Quantum Locked. Mildly confused as to who the actual writer is
AardvarkOff 7 months ago
@AardvarkOff Ed Plant was the one who wrote it and now he is a part of CC. So, they decided to cover it.
OnceUponATimeLord 7 months ago 13
@OnceUponATimeLord - Yeah I didn't write it, just modified the track a bit, included some edited audio and extended it in a few spots.
Not taking credit for it at ALL
2Scribble 7 months ago
@OnceUponATimeLord @AardvarkOff Can it really be a cover if it's being done by the same person who released it in the first place? I see it as the "finished" product.
eddplant 7 months ago
@eddplant 1: I just spazzed because I got a reply from you. :D 2: O: You're right. You did a great job! *highfives*
OnceUponATimeLord 6 months ago
@AardvarkOff - @OnceUponATimeLord - Yeah I didn't write it, just modified the track a bit, included some edited audio and extended it in a few spots.
Not taking credit for it at ALL
2Scribble 7 months ago
Good job.
OliveTheBreloom 7 months ago